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Hello,

Peter agreed that you all deserve a break from=20
March 20 to April 8.  I won't be sending assignments out during that period.

I would like to thank you all for your efforts to=20
perform the assignments and following up on your=20
reviews.  It can be a lot of work.  However,=20
that's what we volunteered to do.  Since the=20
switch from Review Team to Directorate, AppsDir=20
has delivered over a dozen reviews monthly.  As=20
you may have guessed by now, I would like AppsDir=20
to perform reviews regularly. :-)

Peter Saint-Andre will be stepping down as=20
Applications Area Director and Barry Leiba will=20
be taking over.  You are encouraged to provide=20
feedback to the Barry Leiba and Pete Resnick at=20
IETF 83 about the Team Lead; what you like, what you don't like, etc.

The following persons are currently part of the directorate:

  Claudio Allocchio
  Carsten Bormann
  Tim Bray
  Dave Cridland
  Dave Crocker
  Martin D=FCrst
  Lisa Dusseault
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  Henry S. Thompson
  Jiankang Yao
  Joseph Yee
  Yoshiro Yoneya

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-sm


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Hi Lisa,

[Bcc to appsdir]

Would you be able to review draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-05 
before March 13 as Sal is busy?

Thanks,
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Hi Claudio,

[Bcc to appsdir]

Barry, as AD, requested a review of 
draft-melnikov-smtp-priority-07.  Could you please review the draft 
by March 28?  BTW, I received the ack for the assignment I sent out earlier.

Best regards,
-sm


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Hi Lisa, Glenn, Dave,

I did not receive an ack from any of you after I sent out the request 
for reviews.  I am waiting to hear from you.

Lisa  http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00811.html
Glenn http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00803.html
Dave  http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00808.html

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At 05:38 06-03-2012, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>Both the draft-name.chairs@tools.ietf.org and draft-name.all@tools.ietf.org
>aliases will list the area's WG chairs for AD-sponsored drafts.  (The area
>will be that which is set for the document, which is not necessarily the
>area of the sponsoring AD.)
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> > For WG based docs, the .all alias will still just
> > be the ADs and anybody in the "send notices to" datatracker entry?
>
>Yes, correct.

AppsDir has been copying reviews to 
draft-name-without-version-num.all@tools.ietf.org.  There are a few 
cases where the reviewer might prefer to send private comments to the 
author.  If you want to communicate privately, please use the 
authors, shepherd, chair's email address instead of the 
draft-name-without-version-num.all@tools.ietf.org alias.

I'll leave the "where to send" details on the 
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview web page 
as they are currently.  If anyone thinks that it should be modified 
because of the change in behaviour of the draft-* aliases, please let me know.

Best regards,
-sm 


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Thanks for the re-ping, I missed the original message.  I can do that
review.

Lisa

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:18 AM, SM <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:

> Hi Lisa, Glenn, Dave,
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> I did not receive an ack from any of you after I sent out the request for
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>
> Lisa  http://www.ietf.org/mail-**archive/web/appsdir/current/**
> msg00811.html<http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00811.html>
> Glenn http://www.ietf.org/mail-**archive/web/appsdir/current/**
> msg00803.html<http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00803.html>
> Dave  http://www.ietf.org/mail-**archive/web/appsdir/current/**
> msg00808.html<http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00808.html>
>
> Thanks,
> -sm
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Thanks for the re-ping, I missed the original message. =A0I can do that rev=
iew.<div><br></div><div>Lisa<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar =
6, 2012 at 11:18 AM, SM <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sm%2Bietf@e=
landsys.com">sm+ietf@elandsys.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Lisa, Glenn, Dave,<br>
<br>
I did not receive an ack from any of you after I sent out the request for r=
eviews. =A0I am waiting to hear from you.<br>
<br>
Lisa =A0<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg=
00811.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/mail-<u></u>archive/web/a=
ppsdir/current/<u></u>msg00811.html</a><br>
Glenn <a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00=
803.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/mail-<u></u>archive/web/app=
sdir/current/<u></u>msg00803.html</a><br>
Dave =A0<a href=3D"http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg=
00808.html" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ietf.org/mail-<u></u>archive/web/a=
ppsdir/current/<u></u>msg00808.html</a><br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
-sm<br>
<br>
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Hi Julian,

{Bcc to appsdir}

Could you please review draft-ietf-6man-uri-zoneid-00 by March 
20?  The administrative details are at 
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview

Carsten has been discussing about the draft on 6MAN. :-)  Please also 
copy the review to the 6MAN mailing list.

Best regards,
-sm


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Hi William,
At 21:34 04-03-2012, SM wrote:
>Could you please review draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-03 before March 
>13?  The administrative details are at 
>http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview

I made a mistake again in pasting the name of the draft in the 
body.  I noticed it when I saw your review of 
draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash ( 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04461.html 
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draft-ietf-rmt-fcast-05 as you just performed an assignment.

Best regards,
-sm

P.S. I did read the message where you acked.


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SM,=0A=0A=0AI'm not parsing this correctly I think.=A0 Did I review the wro=
ng thing in the xdash review?=A0 Or did you have another review you ned don=
e, but didn't want to hit me twice in one month?=0A=0ARegards,=0A=0A-bill=
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message -----=0AFrom: SM <sm+ietf@elandsys.co=
m>=0ATo: William Mills <wmills@yahoo-inc.com>=0ACc: appsdir@ietf.org=0ASent=
: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 10:57 PM=0ASubject: Re: [appsdir] Request for re=
view: draft-ietf-rmt-fcast-05=0A=0AHi William,=0AAt 21:34 04-03-2012, SM wr=
ote:=0A> Could you please review draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-03 before March 1=
3?=A0 The administrative details are at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app=
/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview=0A=0AI made a mistake again in pasting the name of=
 the draft in the body.=A0 I noticed it when I saw your review of draft-iet=
f-appsawg-xdash ( http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current=
/msg04461.html ).=A0 Sorry about that.=A0 I cannot ask you to review draft-=
ietf-rmt-fcast-05 as you just performed an assignment.=0A=0ABest regards,=
=0A-sm=0A=0AP.S. I did read the message where you acked.

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Hi Bill,
At 07:40 08-03-2012, William Mills wrote:
>I'm not parsing this correctly I think.  Did I review the wrong 
>thing in the xdash review?  Or did you have another review you ned 
>done, but didn't want to hit me twice in one month?

The xdash review was assigned [1] to Henry.  I typed the wrong draft 
name in the message body when I sent out your assignment [2].  If you 
can review draft-ietf-rmt-fcast-05, it works for me. :-)

Best regards,
-sm

1. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00797.html
2. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00807.html 


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SM writes:

> Hi Bill,
> At 07:40 08-03-2012, William Mills wrote:
>> I'm not parsing this correctly I think.  Did I review the wrong
>> thing in the xdash review?  Or did you have another review you ned
>> done, but didn't want to hit me twice in one month?
>
> The xdash review was assigned [1] to Henry.

So, am I off the hook?

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Hi Henry,
At 10:40 08-03-2012, Henry S. Thompson wrote:
>So, am I off the hook?

No. :-)  One of the reasons for selecting you for the assignment was 
to get a different perspective.  If it is not too much work, could 
you take a look at draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-03 and post the review?

Thanks,
-sm 


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SM writes:

> At 10:40 08-03-2012, Henry S. Thompson wrote:
>>So, am I off the hook?
>
> No. :-)  One of the reasons for selecting you for the assignment was
> to get a different perspective.  If it is not too much work, could you
> take a look at draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-03 and post the review?

OK, will do.

Monday, I hope.

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Hi Scott, Jiankang,
At 06:46 13-03-2012, Scott Rose wrote:
>I think there might be a disconnect here.  I believe that the 
>registry-fixes draft was not to be advanced.  In response to WG and 
>IESG comments, the work was broken into two separate drafts that 
>would be worked on independently:

Sorry about that; the disconnect occurred at my end.

Regards,
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Subject:=A0APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-05
I have been selected as the Applications Area Directorate reviewer for
this draft (for background on appsdir, please see
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/ApplicationsAreaDirectorate).

Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments
you may receive. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd
or AD before posting a new version of the draft.

Document:=A0draft-ietf-opsawg-management-stds-05
Title: An Overview of the IETF Network Management Standards
Reviewer: Lisa Dusseault
Review Date: March 13, 2012

Summary: Document is probably a useful contribution

The goal of this document sounds great, and it seems there is some
need for a survey or overview of network management standards. =A0Some
sections achieve the document's goals with concise, clear summaries
and pointers to outside work. =A0Other sections of the document suffer
from meaningless (e.g. circular or jargon-laden) summaries and awkward
explanations, but at least the pointers will still be useful. =A0I have
some concerns about whether the document is comprehensive, because a
survey is most useful when it really points to all the prior and
relevant work at least in brief.

While I am not in a position to notice all the places where the
document may have holes in its comprehensiveness, I did note that
currently active work was not consistently covered. =A0The document does
not mention or refer to ARMD, BMWG or benchmarking, GROW or BGP
Monitoring. =A0I do not know which of these Ops area WGs are important
or actively making progress, but to an Ops outsider they all seem
relevant. =A0It's not as if the document does not cover active work: the
document goes into some detail explaining not only the purpose of
energy management work going on in the IETF but also some of the
challenges of that work (appendix B). =A0Missing other active WGs'
topics seems odd.

Organizational:

Section 3.9 describes ACAP. =A0Either ACAP belongs in the general
purpose protocols (section 2) or another section entirely (perhaps
together with XCAP in a section on application-layer configuration
protocols). =A0In any case, ACAP has been largely superseded by other
work, which would be useful for readers of this document to know.

Section 3.10 describes XCAP. =A0It is similar to ACAP in the general
scope of its ambition.

Section 3.2 doesn't seem to fit in Section 3. =A0I understand Section 3
to be about application-focused network management protocols and
mechanisms, whereas section 3.2 does not describe any specific
protocols or mechanisms, but rather operational guidance.


Nits (note that generally the document would be much clearer if it had
a good grammatical editorial pass):

Grammatical error:
"As far as valuable Best Current
=A0 Practice (BCP) documents are referenced."

Grammatical or cut-and-paste error:
=A0- "a management protocol used to convey management information
=A0 =A0 =A0between the SNMP entities, and management information."

Grammatical error:
"As such following standards build up the basis of the current SNMP
=A0 Management Framework"

Grammatical error: " =A0 =A0Requirements to such a monitoring on the applic=
ation
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 level include measuring signaling quality"

Grammatical error: " =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0YANG allows to express constrai=
nts on data
models by means of type
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0restrictions and XPATH 1.0 [XPAT=
H] expressions."


Confusing: "One example SDO using
=A0 DIAMETER extensively is 3GPP (e.g. 3GPP 'IP Multimedia Subsystem'
=A0 (IMS) uses DIAMETER based interfaces (e.g. =A0Cx) [3GPPIMS])."
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0-- looks like the Cx is either an error or c=
an be cut, Cx is not
referred to anywhere else in the document

Grammatical or typo: " =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The main goal of this protocol is=
 to configure
and manage access
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 equipments and allow them to report inf=
ormation"
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(plural 'equipments' is not used, fix also e=
lsewhere in doc)

Grammatical: " =A0 The following subsections aim to guide the reader for th=
e fast
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 selection of the management standard in interest"

Grammatical: " =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0due to several factors including the risi=
ng and
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 fluctuating energy costs,", extra 'the'

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ht writes:

> SM writes:
>
>> At 10:40 08-03-2012, Henry S. Thompson wrote:
>>>So, am I off the hook?
>>
>> No. :-)  One of the reasons for selecting you for the assignment was
>> to get a different perspective.  If it is not too much work, could you
>> take a look at draft-ietf-appsawg-xdash-03 and post the review?
>
> OK, will do.

So much discussion ensued, that I thought it made sense to wait until
things converged and a new draft came out.

I just noticed that I missed the publication of a new draft, which
came out last week -- in your judgement is it now time to try again?

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Hi Henry,
At 08:29 20-03-2012, Henry S. Thompson wrote:
>So much discussion ensued, that I thought it made sense to wait until
>things converged and a new draft came out.

Ok.

>I just noticed that I missed the publication of a new draft, which
>came out last week -- in your judgement is it now time to try again?

It's worth giving it a try now as the input may be useful for the revised I-D.

Best regards,
-sm 


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On 3/20/12 9:50 AM, SM wrote:
> Hi Henry, At 08:29 20-03-2012, Henry S. Thompson wrote:
>> So much discussion ensued, that I thought it made sense to wait
>> until things converged and a new draft came out.
> 
> Ok.
> 
>> I just noticed that I missed the publication of a new draft,
>> which came out last week -- in your judgement is it now time to
>> try again?
> 
> It's worth giving it a try now as the input may be useful for the 
> revised I-D.

There was much discussion, but the changes were relatively slight.

Henry, one thing that's come up with reviewers is that it seems the
authors (of which I'm one) have not done a great job of explaining
themselves in text. If a reviewer points out an ambiguity, it's easy
for us to explain the reasoning behind things and everyone nods their
heads in agreement. But it would be good to make things clearer so
that we didn't need to explain ourselves yet again. Any suggestions or
harsh criticisms you can provide along those lines would be most helpful.

Thanks!

Peter

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Hi Dave,

Thanks for performing the two draft-ietf-decade- reviews.  Carsten 
reviewed draft-ietf-decade-arch-04 two months ago ( 
http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04174.html ).

Best regards,
-sm


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On 3/22/2012 6:54 PM, SM wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Thanks for performing the two draft-ietf-decade- reviews. Carsten reviewed
> draft-ietf-decade-arch-04 two months ago (
> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04174.html ).


 From a quick read, it looks as if Carsten's opinion of that document matches 
mine for the one's I read.

Unfortunately, this working group appears to have spent 2 years to produce 
inconsistent work that tends to surface issues only, IMO.  Worse is that I think 
the goal they want to work towards would be useful to achieve...

d/

-- 

   Dave Crocker
   Brandenburg InternetWorking
   bbiw.net

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Hi Dave,
At 12:17 22-03-2012, Dave Crocker wrote:
> From a quick read, it looks as if Carsten's opinion of that 
> document matches mine for the one's I read.

Yes.

>Unfortunately, this working group appears to have spent 2 years to 
>produce inconsistent work that tends to surface issues only, 
>IMO.  Worse is that I think the goal they want to work towards would 
>be useful to achieve...

draft-ietf-decade-problem-statement is in an Approved (document) 
state.  draft-ietf-decade-reqs-06 and draft-ietf-decade-arch-05 have 
not been through IESG evaluation yet.  Let's see if the working group 
can make constructive use of the three AppsDir reviews.

Best regards,
-sm 


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Hi Murray,

I'm posting a message to track your review of 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: SM [mailto:sm+ietf@elandsys.com]
> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:34 PM
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>=20
> Hi Murray,
>=20
> I'm posting a message to track your review of
> draft-ietf-dane-protocol-18 with a due date for March 30 for tracking.
>=20
> Best regards,
> -sm

Yep, in my queue for the ride across the pond.

-MSK
