From sm@elandsys.com Tue Mar 5 01:39:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73F0421F86D2 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 01:39:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R4UNPyGc5vbM for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 01:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A67021F857A for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 01:39:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.130.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r259dWPj010064 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 01:39:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1362476383; bh=4io0FStkm4iONY39LDSg402HVzNp5mV9xdCaOtOT0YE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject; b=0mfmRX6AxKFjEvskArbO+dF85JnhJ1RGv2bKdwv7mXCKlK9FImNUg/GZn/2W5N5lj MnZ7mvd35QmNKKbO0F2v2jiKTj7z/B+HCQWqRuiVt0GNkvGpH1niTfGP8veM68hsT1 ACLapidOVi0Xckc3l87zkUAe44JLsbt8RRw2e4Ks= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1362476383; i=@elandsys.com; bh=4io0FStkm4iONY39LDSg402HVzNp5mV9xdCaOtOT0YE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject; b=xrjrC3DpC4tachNTr3AtjPZNi4yfoQwEKQyEYoiTojkrxshk3L30izDoUbPB+PcbY F2mZ0TiuxF9QncGU1jz4vbqI3mrqR1iqgfoeh1mEOsuVhF1/xzqz/uARZMsiQYB/uU 500ldKpdSPvjDvV/HnYBW9FOeCHF7IbzMePVt5aA= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 01:37:51 -0800 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 09:39:56 -0000 Hello, Here's the tentative list of drafts for review. I'll suggest due dates which are over a week after IETF 86 as far as possible. If you have a preference, please let me know. If you don't want to draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-03 - URI draft-ietf-appsawg-webfinger-10 draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-dpa-etal-00 - IANA draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-05 - HTTP draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-metrics-rationale-02 draft-ietf-ospf-ipv4-embedded-ipv6-routing-07 draft-ietf-tsvwg-byte-pkt-congest-09 draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-burst-gap-discard-10 draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-burst-gap-loss-08 draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-decodability-09 draft-schaad-pkix-rfc2875-bis-07 draft-ietf-repute-model-04 (Dave, is it in AD review?) draft-saintandre-urn-example-03 draft-saintandre-iana-urn-01 Best regards, -sm From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Mar 5 07:27:40 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C114921F89E9 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 07:27:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.436 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.436 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.541, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XFEcNDfbJcfQ for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 07:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ve0-f170.google.com (mail-ve0-f170.google.com [209.85.128.170]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F57F21F8A05 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 07:27:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ve0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 14so5866676vea.15 for ; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 07:27:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=PCklgd9jCJeVYCdiXStZ0Jc+o56QIwq8apFHqjLXhKg=; b=DZlhy2RSm7sYJfQ7MB6JLeaquJj7wXMqf5geZHTzESTBlQVa4Lyuh6dEfcCRWnkM4K LWR5j9UrBwwGXon9ENKKw5mu5MDd8vvTfzxvszLCOdfR4pfT9yWZ007XwkY+CNogaK3f uOlcy6NjB9X6UrMNTySOU3ijO1sseyxpP/oOpO/bspDbjjnzbhJUWbmY3Vge+BHyJC/F QLaWZaCvGGxUpbRLQwSR2wEAuqVEcJxkC5dprbjXGTTgKjBvnS1h2qPdQzx1LRjine18 CI6mTVYC2H3qbq1uVooxLtQ1veKt4eoZfrPdlNg1HRb2cwlnqSz7mogcWS++RSeevJ9n fMHw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.37.81 with SMTP id w17mr8411894vdj.70.1362497259855; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 07:27:39 -0800 (PST) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.59.3.41 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 07:27:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:27:39 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: p_GmKbZFsaKp0eJ3GbBPeDJetJ8 Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: SM Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: "appsdir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 15:27:40 -0000 > draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-03 - URI I don't think we need appsdir review of this: it's been amply discussed on apps-discuss already, and Graham has already given his OK. > draft-saintandre-urn-example-03 > draft-saintandre-iana-urn-01 Peter has changes to make for both of these. They should be reviewed, but please wait until they're updated (after Orlando). Watch for the state change into In Last Call. Barry From sm@elandsys.com Tue Mar 5 08:14:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34F0621F86D6 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:14:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dz2QlEIdZ0wh for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A748821F86C9 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:14:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.130.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r25GDgr4006564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:13:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1362500040; bh=UJBQhf8Ir0x/sVz3tK/ubZN1ZOWl1qf3KeTe/wNFBsU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=lGHW4+7Z4bpfrYLiA9mhtw/ADrN1Mx5i8rtS9hupf3SoHJVenlxRWAd7JT1DWVhey PStXUPWQigQLRjH95iQ0jli8VTJS2FXMsDpl+Qc+TNsEnYr8sNyd1IrJukFvY0FWhX me6V5ZltMbwamaMo1O8G4TpZHLfpa98X/qnS6Njo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1362500040; i=@elandsys.com; bh=UJBQhf8Ir0x/sVz3tK/ubZN1ZOWl1qf3KeTe/wNFBsU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=oT6Ey44pSUuxTraALcz9DwtEN4sxShOaIuSZ/fOFI7GOzsz/wvo51XxW8UGHQPOJ/ GqrRL6d7v2NS/NkYkUsmZf/SzucTM5SgOmTZlGVshmHArRiJmkGX5uoa7XIPKWT+8r peALQIABs0AjkuZ3o0sC2GiPgz/acyEBuUEVig9k= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305074429.0a455800@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 07:50:15 -0800 To: Barry Leiba From: SM In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 16:14:09 -0000 Hi Barry, At 07:27 05-03-2013, Barry Leiba wrote: >I don't think we need appsdir review of this: it's been amply >discussed on apps-discuss already, and Graham has already given his >OK. I'll take it off the review list. >Peter has changes to make for both of these. They should be reviewed, >but please wait until they're updated (after Orlando). Watch for the >state change into In Last Call. Ok. I'll add draft-merkle-ikev2-ke-brainpool-03 to the list for review. Best regards, -sm From stpeter@stpeter.im Tue Mar 5 08:57:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4782021F857E for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:57:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.469 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.469 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_RMML_Stock9=0.13, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Edhyf1Om12jo for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:57:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EB5C21F858C for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 08:57:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (unknown [24.9.182.250]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF7EE403CD; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:05:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <513623FE.6070604@stpeter.im> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 09:57:34 -0700 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SM References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 16:57:36 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 3/5/13 2:37 AM, SM wrote: > draft-ietf-repute-model-04 (Dave, is it in AD review?) I'd be happy to review that one. Peter - -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJRNiP9AAoJEOoGpJErxa2p7c0QAI0ilb5H1aDJMnrEpPAl/w7i TTS6LMcRX4YpKoS1njZXfRd5e6V2BYKXrMcR4C4Fjp0+4Q51mK1r9UXA7L95N8md m/rIZP8kqw9VeBfY9OKpFZ2F2SiQCrZZQ1zoFgSYwdMZQYRqiDbspi8+Xp4Qyjon eqzb57uTDyaYOxUMKTAwji1k15WsfT4aR8B1GLvmMzG9B+KH1/pxw8yWFt0PVNzU SWt6N8jqWwtPiZIcft1TsaVHasojZ96VUQ96O/XCkYW2+fCAPVrxi/o1hw2oGwXh vMAlwvdLOt6uIp+4RSEIK7XtAmebNj260VQLgxMfpRqfW3aBYf6ZquodmO5E+bDJ lVRDoQOr7JUjNe+4RGN/Q23xOez2pI4MZpJVwSks2e+UE+s9bunHxa2pySVmMmH7 7etie7kGCyGf6scM1X84lBSdx+6hl5kDJUFsrYB5CXvySBSe2VyXRjAg578cyNsl /y4Tm1K+CNziNqFRmdQryLlTgfHtf65WBKYY4IPviR1QnzT+GKssi8K4bC0j2UGU u84QlDDhQMnky3Le5bBDdMc5eMuv3lPbj/8bxEMTuJHKudUtDHITASa408avbA7p x3PVhrIxrhvXi3Ta4FcwQyZGsXUmX4KBsb+7tE+zbGo/kT2Iz0MHP99MB/yTYSA3 ehhtcvFUHKE5qLGrBAKr =u9ow -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From dhc@dcrocker.net Tue Mar 5 09:09:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A3A621F890F for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:09:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9X75ykGqHS5Z for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:09:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3EC9021F859D for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:09:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-9-215.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.9.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r25H9JZW008312 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:09:19 -0800 Message-ID: <513626BC.3040708@dcrocker.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 09:09:16 -0800 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SM References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Tue, 05 Mar 2013 09:09:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: [appsdir] repute - (was Re: Tentative list of drafts for review) X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:09:36 -0000 On 3/5/2013 1:37 AM, SM wrote: > Hello, > > Here's the tentative list of drafts for review. I'll suggest due dates > which are over a week after IETF 86 as far as possible. If you have a > preference, please let me know. If you don't want to ... > draft-ietf-repute-model-04 (Dave, is it in AD review?) yes, but there are 4 more documents to be added to the set, just waiting on Shepherding work. The 5 documents will be processed as a set. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From sm@elandsys.com Tue Mar 5 09:57:09 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C959811E80B8 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:57:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mg6+BaRybqNJ for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 454D421F8689 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.130.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r25Huq21029810 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Mar 2013 09:57:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1362506225; bh=U4EdDcD+KerPS+gBRQpixUagrzvJcQZraXomwYSCpPg=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=3xCXg76Xge1mq54OEZr0LQCQSTofECcgdp7jU5AZyxpgAnGUmubDih5bJVqXSfgxJ 2TLId3ItNdeYyq5X5f7wYNNbyvFPzDj/dI52Ip5yK5gfxqJdnHysFtCdteXJiWWLpy J7okwGt685nD3X8nhZQXwUmpB+25UXCZg0985ooo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1362506225; i=@elandsys.com; bh=U4EdDcD+KerPS+gBRQpixUagrzvJcQZraXomwYSCpPg=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=1Njt0VLZHZFACr4SMNPiN8FQVsaUCEmKRJ7jbpodCt/H4hSK5Zym8igLHD9bQlhDm AEMtQ+P84Ww0c2kIFOfpqyH2KFkBXazSkC6+2281dtYhhR6pgzEJXMlcB3qF6yYlX5 wmPK0+vBHKdm+ev87yLKQmYs0qlMJRSMf5Ms2fHk= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305093854.0bc86e90@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 09:55:42 -0800 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, Peter Saint-Andre From: SM In-Reply-To: <513626BC.3040708@dcrocker.net> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> <513626BC.3040708@dcrocker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] repute - (was Re: Tentative list of drafts for review) X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 17:57:09 -0000 At 09:09 05-03-2013, Dave Crocker wrote: >yes, but there are 4 more documents to be added to the set, just >waiting on Shepherding work. > >The 5 documents will be processed as a set. Thanks, Dave. I'll wait for the set to be ready. Peter, I'll keep draft-ietf-repute-model-04 for you. I'll likely suggest two (URI/JSON) reviewers for the set as the drafts are short. I have to ask the Apps ADs how they want to handle the set. Best regards, -sm From dhc@dcrocker.net Tue Mar 5 10:10:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B63D21F85D9 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:10:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pwDGmGUupRMZ for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9366B21F85D8 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:10:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-9-215.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.9.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r25I9vUM009362 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:09:57 -0800 Message-ID: <513634F1.1010803@dcrocker.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:09:53 -0800 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130215 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SM References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> <513626BC.3040708@dcrocker.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20130305093854.0bc86e90@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305093854.0bc86e90@elandnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Tue, 05 Mar 2013 10:09:57 -0800 (PST) Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, dcrocker@bbiw.net, Peter Saint-Andre Subject: Re: [appsdir] repute - (was Re: Tentative list of drafts for review) X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 18:10:11 -0000 wfm. tnx. d/ On 3/5/2013 9:55 AM, SM wrote: > At 09:09 05-03-2013, Dave Crocker wrote: >> yes, but there are 4 more documents to be added to the set, just >> waiting on Shepherding work. >> >> The 5 documents will be processed as a set. > > Thanks, Dave. I'll wait for the set to be ready. Peter, I'll keep > draft-ietf-repute-model-04 for you. > > I'll likely suggest two (URI/JSON) reviewers for the set as the drafts > are short. I have to ask the Apps ADs how they want to handle the set. > > Best regards, > -sm > _______________________________________________ > appsdir mailing list > appsdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/appsdir > -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From salvatore.loreto@ericsson.com Tue Mar 5 10:42:21 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23CCC11E8120 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:42:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9cGyQ8eUUsxT for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 10:42:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw7.ericsson.se (mailgw7.ericsson.se [193.180.251.48]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 710DF11E8123 for ; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130216 Thunderbird/17.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: appsdir@ietf.org References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV using ClamSMTP X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFlrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM+JvjW6DjVmgwddnXBZTp+5jdWD0WLLk J1MAYxSXTUpqTmZZapG+XQJXRkfLC5aC+oo3E++wNjCmdjFyckgImEhcvnmcDcIWk7hwbz2Q zcUhJHCSUeLCgXdMEM56RolrmxuhnIuMEvPnTWWBcI4wSrxe+osRwjnLKHHg5g4mkGG8AtoS 7ReugA1mEVCRuHjxLDOIzSZgJvH84RYwW1QgWeLfoyOMEPWCEidnPmEBsUUERCTmPv0MViMs YCVx88lysDlCArYSK7Y3gNVzCthJnJt6EqyGGSh+Yc51FghbXmL72znMEA+pSVw9t4kZoldL ovdsJ9MERpFZSNbNQtI+C0n7AkbmVYzsuYmZOenl5psYgaF8cMtvgx2Mm+6LHWKU5mBREucN d70QICSQnliSmp2aWpBaFF9UmpNafIiRiYNTqoGxTsA49J1xknd3peRs24T4uaX50Xm5px1v vjuWarquKlDzwcr2+4tkfUo6t19u6Gy7xfO5TGWPWEouT88GXcun7hbJhwyZLu8reDp3Y6SU zudCnRW1LJJ5r0/1bVjyLElhkvXCU5/2Hr4wj9WgpLKDcerGmITiQ4YWmTWMV9v6/aZ1GKa6 KSuxFGckGmoxFxUnAgChMzQCMwIAAA== Subject: Re: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 18:42:21 -0000 On 3/5/13 10:37 AM, SM wrote: > draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-05 - HTTP I'd be interested to review this one From wmills@yahoo-inc.com Tue Mar 5 10:46:38 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA1CE11E80F9 for ; 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boundary="-1124617404-1015264783-1362509175=:22163" X-Milter-Version: master.31+4-gbc07cd5+ X-CLX-ID: 509178000 Cc: "appsdir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: Bill Mills List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 18:46:38 -0000 ---1124617404-1015264783-1362509175=:22163 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think I just need to pull my name off the reviewed list for a while.=A0 W= ork has handed me a huge plateful of work for the next 6 months.=0A=0A-bill= =0A ---1124617404-1015264783-1362509175=:22163 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I th= ink I just need to pull my name off the reviewed list for a while.  Wo= rk has handed me a huge plateful of work for the next 6 months.
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= ---1124617404-1015264783-1362509175=:22163-- From sm@elandsys.com Tue Mar 5 11:20:33 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7380421F8688 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 81tha6wGAPaO for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:20:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236F721F85C9 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:20:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.130.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r25JKEYU008517 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:20:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1362511226; bh=dhW+Se52pWXIJHQuC4Ds2YapSN8tDyoYKS6pm3peCFw=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=tDr8fjVTm/edSVPQ/i4JUZ4SCkgFY0RsGzKICX7Aox1szow+z++svpEdoX4XEZddD qSfRCi9UoiA+vXJ4ZEvlIhidcyPveP0SwteFZ2UDyqK9b1SXHHcI+5fzk8scTpN7LX tAax3fJhYxgH7uR21QnaZbtQUQEFC8aUUI8AEGyw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1362511226; i=@elandsys.com; bh=dhW+Se52pWXIJHQuC4Ds2YapSN8tDyoYKS6pm3peCFw=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=ES3u8/Ld6cUw7SvzHf40yJTGFrreSHDrwQr0QyyQeDbog76/VwZrniS07upSCgvSV IILoibbhMojB7+7JtPC497NuWIWyMc9OHN+8Rij4NZzJA+Qv9TTpFlm4fTU/pEMYPD JQxXUpgk0TH/d0fPYy+KxGQjXVwkof+y47LYrFwo= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305110146.0c43c4e8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 11:18:39 -0800 To: Bill Mills From: SM In-Reply-To: <1362509175.22163.YahooMailNeo@web125605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com > References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> <513623FE.6070604@stpeter.im> <1362509175.22163.YahooMailNeo@web125605.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 19:20:33 -0000 Hi Bill, At 10:46 05-03-2013, Bill Mills wrote: >I think I just need to pull my name off the reviewed list for a >while. Work has handed me a huge plateful of work for the next 6 months. I understand. I usually avoid having reviewers on six months leave except for members of the IAB, IESG and IAOC. I'll email you off-list and we can see how to work things out. Best regards, -sm From dave@cridland.net Tue Mar 5 11:31:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 995BE11E8111 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:31:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.311 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.311 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IvllYVrHWLfT for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ob0-x230.google.com (mail-ob0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c01::230]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F25911E812C for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:31:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ob0-f176.google.com with SMTP id v19so2864996obq.7 for ; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 11:31:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cridland.net; s=google; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Exe8XKzoir1eSRE4S8R6oxZAWFPMNf6DqdIJFfKnphw=; b=FLtI/SNFWJ7QJxdqL9xm9ZXodNWDY+NINduzrTP4K+V8Rtsm0crXX20fSlK7D4yLfj t7MOMPjIvUen6+at9J/DR0fuEQLDubHDAelArXy0cumX8C0fMuP554/4iceR+OdKv6Yp 39qqg46QoTx6MHQw96/16vWRjaH9J1JnydyP8= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Exe8XKzoir1eSRE4S8R6oxZAWFPMNf6DqdIJFfKnphw=; b=dehpJFaLzGyVYJ8dq4DNz4n1dJbDA2Eyx3EROC1IUE0+0O+Pr6dSk2o306rDxrz0oZ 9FU5zMa+h1+WdEFgm/nUH1r8jD0C8ct0Ra8O9FSZGySe40Mm8V8qoPuvLo6V6q+11aeX I9+Is4ZCg91cBWPNi/pKen6ZHzeZFzsVM2hrchfJuGYwJhWLCfsA+GcvOOklCQgjXPHu PbT7dVhNm8xMzxkeGBOsPUvYds2y6WaFJhb8CKuxWYs+8Wj1puByXtRcEI0DyrBcFXhA ZhlhC1ph3PeJJH/cy7yKIm3WeZ1i5F8d0Ob09KaQm7AUJMI2BnGbEaIW+cOzzv9q5Vhl wgwg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.182.220.10 with SMTP id ps10mr20529727obc.21.1362511868812; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 11:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.10.72 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:31:08 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.60.10.72 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 11:31:08 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 19:31:08 +0000 Message-ID: From: Dave Cridland To: SM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d044796fdf175fe04d7328337 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQkQ6l85SkdY8q5mofcxNB8Ami96ed0NVlqPwrHYaS8rIL1pNGVFnDBpSdVy0f+oMNlsNdmL Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 19:31:10 -0000 --f46d044796fdf175fe04d7328337 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'd like to review webfinger, and I'll be giving acct-uri a once-over again anyway. Whether or not you want these to be "official" or not is up to you. I'll probably be looking over Peter's two URN drafts too, but I can't promise. On 5 Mar 2013 04:39, "SM" wrote: > Hello, > > Here's the tentative list of drafts for review. I'll suggest due dates > which are over a week after IETF 86 as far as possible. If you have a > preference, please let me know. If you don't want to > > draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-03 - URI > > draft-ietf-appsawg-webfinger-**10 > > draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-dpa-**etal-00 - IANA > > draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-**analysis-05 - HTTP > > draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-**metrics-rationale-02 > > draft-ietf-ospf-ipv4-embedded-**ipv6-routing-07 > > draft-ietf-tsvwg-byte-pkt-**congest-09 > > draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-**burst-gap-discard-10 > > draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-**burst-gap-loss-08 > > draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-**decodability-09 > > draft-schaad-pkix-rfc2875-bis-**07 > > draft-ietf-repute-model-04 (Dave, is it in AD review?) > > draft-saintandre-urn-example-**03 > > draft-saintandre-iana-urn-01 > > Best regards, > -sm > ______________________________**_________________ > appsdir mailing list > appsdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/appsdir > --f46d044796fdf175fe04d7328337 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I'd like to review webfinger, and I'll be giving acc= t-uri a once-over again anyway.

Whether or not you want these to be "official" or = not is up to you.

I'll probably be looking over Peter's two URN drafts= too, but I can't promise.

On 5 Mar 2013 04:39, "SM" <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:
Hello,

Here's the tentative list of drafts for review. =A0I'll suggest due= dates which are over a week after IETF 86 as far as possible. =A0If you ha= ve a preference, please let me know. =A0If you don't want to

=A0draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-03 - URI

=A0draft-ietf-appsawg-webfinger-10

=A0draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-dpa-etal-00 - IANA

=A0draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-05 - HTTP

=A0draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-metrics-rationale-02

=A0draft-ietf-ospf-ipv4-embedded-ipv6-routing-07

=A0draft-ietf-tsvwg-byte-pkt-congest-09

=A0draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-burst-gap-discard-10

=A0draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-burst-gap-loss-08

=A0draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-decodability-09

=A0draft-schaad-pkix-rfc2875-bis-07

=A0draft-ietf-repute-model-04 (Dave, is it in AD review?)

=A0draft-saintandre-urn-example-03

=A0draft-saintandre-iana-urn-01

Best regards,
-sm
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appsdir mailing list
appsdir@ietf.org<= br> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/appsdir
--f46d044796fdf175fe04d7328337-- From sm@elandsys.com Tue Mar 5 12:02:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24F101F0D13 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:02:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uAORSf+FQaAO for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:02:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFEF1F0D12 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:01:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.130.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r25K1YDc024912 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 5 Mar 2013 12:01:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1362513706; bh=RQvfknxAUwFxzVxgg+GVr5EP3bvpQYXf6sc+sXe/l+g=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=p8YTyX1zaeK1Ex6ymteijW/9nohS25CuXbxif8UuTxo0IwYfZwbN7jy5TM/eyGcGJ x+2A149XvzIH5cT53GWDiZLbCxGP9aqxtQzR7F/oAalHKiVmREPfiCTOl8Dzwrwa5Y efq1CNMUEVQsdnbK90sKujNrjw7wk+nfOhUw4Mew= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1362513706; i=@elandsys.com; bh=RQvfknxAUwFxzVxgg+GVr5EP3bvpQYXf6sc+sXe/l+g=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=Wjp7KjWP0yqU9kltEoqKc0JKOmiLDu5L7EvN3Uryx3FKyVrkCKPGRXLp4ABhpez8S tzzmpNydraGnx/fmx7cUpWKRiy1gRlxOZMZRyl9cRR3MzmMAG3hbzcX2+W2QVkbrCk 7Q7o7P0QbhDnx+J3ZLJW072tNiBw+c1J7caBeQP8= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305114701.09ff0330@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 11:57:14 -0800 To: Dave Cridland From: SM In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 20:02:02 -0000 Hi Dave, At 11:31 05-03-2013, Dave Cridland wrote: >I'd like to review webfinger, and I'll be giving acct-uri a >once-over again anyway. The draft-ietf-appsawg-webfinger-10 assignment is yours. If Barry is ok with it you can do the draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-03 as an AppsDir review as you are going to review it anyway. Best regards, -sm From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Mar 5 13:11:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B068111E80FA for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:11:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.977 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.977 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V+Sda8uX64Sh for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-x22b.google.com (mail-vb0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::22b]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3082E11E80D5 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:11:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id fs19so1459339vbb.30 for ; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 13:11:13 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=qnE2DiDD11uMhiId84aUHJrvTIGSwKBm8sSX/Qam9TY=; b=EmHJFLSf1skjY50deL4LhTeVcvxEFUXEVHGH0e/S0tcenDlzfD+/2RgEON+URiB1I4 XujzJiqwWZkhaU/ShFwlfh2sm4vqOMU8b9IVSKqcmalpcuT30SenH3S0qfC4cSS3YSSX pbir9cM+xbP4MXgZ7KY8kwsKDRhI1Iw7ZB09OctsXwUQRt+NFMBX7QEuacma9m+e14ws bLjakLR08ccEsLN/T1+G+VHzBGfy2H68ztQ3YqS1jlQxxN4FviWWD4SF5U/QSVwhqG8j abfJQYXs3cdAo7vlFrlmfXj0sVbr7w5eo4iKTgqRYDS0oo2Cx8vv8ugVMiTHmfG+cnk5 xmlQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.155.5 with SMTP id vs5mr5840624vdb.24.1362517873612; Tue, 05 Mar 2013 13:11:13 -0800 (PST) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.59.3.41 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Mar 2013 13:11:13 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305114701.09ff0330@elandnews.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130305011707.0c9c1a40@elandnews.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20130305114701.09ff0330@elandnews.com> Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2013 16:11:13 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: WLaBWuYEqFQ9K-urfe_5htbG_Nw Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: SM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01633a94db8b2604d733e9d9 Cc: "appsdir@ietf.org" , Dave Cridland Subject: Re: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2013 21:11:14 -0000 --089e01633a94db8b2604d733e9d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > If Barry is ok with it you can do the draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-03 as an AppsDir > review as you are going to review it anyway. Sure, why not? I just said we didn't need an appdir review, not that we should actively not have one. More reviews are always good. Barry --089e01633a94db8b2604d733e9d9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=A0If Barry is ok with it you can do the draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri= -03 as an AppsDir
>=A0review as you are going to re= view it anyway.

Sure, why not? =A0I just said we di= dn't need an appdir review, not that we should actively not have one. = =A0More reviews are always good.

Barry

--089e01633a94db8b2604d733e9d9-- From sm@elandsys.com Thu Mar 7 18:02:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65DC921F867A for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:02:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GMZf2TjSX1A3 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:02:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840DF21F8675 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:02:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.129.99]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r28207aG004919 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 7 Mar 2013 18:00:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1362708028; bh=4NnS9znNvjt0NdX6WXW1ICgYZduDu5+VtfFu4vy+dzg=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=NqYXs5UPKICr1G0M3jeQG/q78z8RI7Xropr/r7nm/DdzTySx/84IpVQe3KJGlu7o5 sV0xbpiNHzaO4slUYQBJgzeisBiuFmd1/2OwuGZITsyT4bqW0QQp4a5irhzPyPwqY5 hiuBVa6sC9r24zVnQs5qjmj3rxJUoeeX+tdBVtqQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1362708028; i=@elandsys.com; bh=4NnS9znNvjt0NdX6WXW1ICgYZduDu5+VtfFu4vy+dzg=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=mnlZJ5YzgIVws3T/iJS/CTgVcNyavh/6TMyhJAdleLBDlpYoRJG8mPFsDyvtK1CVX 8eWk51AhMqog3nYajctMsNZkkBhGlNkIMj26fvqCnCbZj/P8Brfe5DHXQGe4ZI7Q6O CaRM4F/8j9FcT/crwwEHYJvNAuZKTpbO95gwHt3E= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130307173846.0b661ac0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 17:56:34 -0800 To: Dave Cridland , Ted Hardie , Salvatore Loreto , Glenn Parsons , Eliot Lear , Eric Burger , Claudio Allocchio , Enrico Marocco , Tobias Gondrom From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:23:43 -0800 Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: [appsdir] Request for AppsDir review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 02:02:46 -0000 Hello, Here are the assignments. Please send me an acknowledgement. :-) The template is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/template March 18: draft-ietf-appsawg-webfinger-10 - Dave Cridland draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-03 - Dave Cridland draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-dpa-etal-00 - Ted draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-05 - Sal draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-metrics-rationale-02 - Glenn draft-ietf-tsvwg-byte-pkt-congest-09 - Eliot draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-burst-gap-discard-10 - Eric Burger draft-merkle-ikev2-ke-brainpool-03 (I'll do this one) draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-burst-gap-loss-08 - Claudio draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-decodability-09 - Enrico draft-schaad-pkix-rfc2875-bis-07 - Tobias March 29: draft-ietf-ospf-ipv4-embedded-ipv6-routing-07 - Jiankang draft-saintandre-urn-example-03 - Murray (ask Barry when it is ready) draft-saintandre-iana-urn-01 - Murray (ask Barry when it is ready) Not for review yet: I have the following assignment queued. I'll make some adjustments once the document set is ready. draft-ietf-repute-model-04 - Peter draft-ietf-repute-considerations-00 - Peter draft-ietf-repute-email-identifiers-06 - Joseph draft-ietf-repute-media-type-06 - Alexey draft-ietf-repute-query-http-04 - Larry Best regards, -sm From dave@cridland.net Fri Mar 8 06:19:46 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 707C221F8628 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:19:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.328, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eN71v83fCNGR for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:19:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-vb0-x234.google.com (mail-vb0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::234]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B92EE21F8626 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-vb0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fa15so658176vbb.39 for ; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 06:19:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cridland.net; s=google; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=RHT8qrBcx68VZlMpomQupbPViVTrH2lL5VcfIvWPmN8=; b=SauQFknrKFMEtHDIknaY+UolaiKEF0PbEQ1p+7YF3DW246zm61mSuyvW/Y62M3thhz znDyUGWbWjmHi2L14by/+Igb1jzzK/dLGkUGVs/nHTr953D0czPO359sAg0XJ3/EoxEq oLFpe86l3Mb9VFuzOT3+08tTpq4mXasuTcE+Q= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=RHT8qrBcx68VZlMpomQupbPViVTrH2lL5VcfIvWPmN8=; b=b7Td5TjX3+e/FckQiSHizhCwcREhGMUk/ubmE0+oXeW3xJjknHyuUV5CA1BHH+cAgj 1c7c1qj4UnWoGvAk84Bryys1GIg4ofOnbY+PwoDYcqyLwT2Uqf1EXav3nqNAqDHevoEQ nlJ9Zib7QIY/aJuEgCRqGm1Dx84XUAZafvkdJUOhH1wXUvKPvZo8XG/cu+YNiy5c5waO KIJb5C023+ooZRLyj+byHcX09ISbjSZ0rYAmhqb7jRM+bjVD+rVX/LUtA//dGqjO2itR UPRTPuh6d0K0gC+Mv74EzsructYTc0U1gK95x/ynlRIzguBdHbYu/6nPyKLHDNCbe5O0 jTvw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.221.11.135 with SMTP id pe7mr963330vcb.41.1362752385156; Fri, 08 Mar 2013 06:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.117.67 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:19:45 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.58.117.67 with HTTP; Fri, 8 Mar 2013 06:19:45 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130307173846.0b661ac0@elandnews.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130307173846.0b661ac0@elandnews.com> Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2013 09:19:45 -0500 Message-ID: From: Dave Cridland To: SM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec54b53a8d59cbf04d76a8368 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmUb5/ccM3KBHOYfThq0sYdYNJLGfUCcDb6a5/KjNUFjhfVfd92YhiNg0ncsZzxOuZ7tNUq X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 06:27:42 -0800 Cc: Ted Hardie , appsdir@ietf.org, Eliot Lear , Enrico Marocco , Claudio Allocchio , Tobias Gondrom , Glenn Parsons , Eric Burger , Salvatore Loreto Subject: Re: [appsdir] Request for AppsDir review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:19:46 -0000 --bcaec54b53a8d59cbf04d76a8368 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Ack. On 7 Mar 2013 21:00, "SM" wrote: > Hello, > > Here are the assignments. Please send me an acknowledgement. :-) The > template is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/**area/app/trac/wiki/template > > March 18: > > draft-ietf-appsawg-webfinger-**10 - Dave Cridland > > draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-03 - Dave Cridland > > draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-dpa-**etal-00 - Ted > > draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-**analysis-05 - Sal > > draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-**metrics-rationale-02 - Glenn > > draft-ietf-tsvwg-byte-pkt-**congest-09 - Eliot > > draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-**burst-gap-discard-10 - Eric Burger > > draft-merkle-ikev2-ke-**brainpool-03 (I'll do this one) > > draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-**burst-gap-loss-08 - Claudio > > draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-**decodability-09 - Enrico > > draft-schaad-pkix-rfc2875-bis-**07 - Tobias > > > March 29: > > draft-ietf-ospf-ipv4-embedded-**ipv6-routing-07 - Jiankang > > draft-saintandre-urn-example-**03 - Murray (ask Barry when it is ready) > > draft-saintandre-iana-urn-01 - Murray (ask Barry when it is ready) > > Not for review yet: > > I have the following assignment queued. I'll make some adjustments once > the document set is ready. > > draft-ietf-repute-model-04 - Peter > > draft-ietf-repute-**considerations-00 - Peter > > draft-ietf-repute-email-**identifiers-06 - Joseph > > draft-ietf-repute-media-type-**06 - Alexey > > draft-ietf-repute-query-http-**04 - Larry > > Best regards, > -sm > > --bcaec54b53a8d59cbf04d76a8368 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Ack.

On 7 Mar 2013 21:00, "SM" <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:
Hello,

Here are the assignments. =A0Please send me an acknowledgement. :-) =A0The = template is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wi= ki/template

March 18:

=A0draft-ietf-appsawg-webfinger-10 - Dave Cridland

=A0draft-ietf-appsawg-acct-uri-03 - Dave Cridland

=A0draft-ietf-idr-deprecate-dpa-etal-00 - Ted

=A0draft-ietf-intarea-nat-reveal-analysis-05 - Sal

=A0draft-ietf-manet-olsrv2-metrics-rationale-02 - Glenn

=A0draft-ietf-tsvwg-byte-pkt-congest-09 - Eliot

=A0draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-burst-gap-discard-10 - Eric Burger

=A0draft-merkle-ikev2-ke-brainpool-03 (I'll do this one)

=A0draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-burst-gap-loss-08 - Claudio

=A0draft-ietf-xrblock-rtcp-xr-decodability-09 - Enrico

=A0draft-schaad-pkix-rfc2875-bis-07 - Tobias


March 29:

=A0draft-ietf-ospf-ipv4-embedded-ipv6-routing-07 - Jiankang

=A0draft-saintandre-urn-example-03 - Murray (ask Barry when it is re= ady)

=A0draft-saintandre-iana-urn-01 - Murray (ask Barry when it is ready)

Not for review yet:

I have the following assignment queued. =A0I'll make some adjustments o= nce the document set is ready.

=A0draft-ietf-repute-model-04 - Peter

=A0draft-ietf-repute-considerations-00 - Peter

=A0draft-ietf-repute-email-identifiers-06 - Joseph

=A0draft-ietf-repute-media-type-06 - Alexey

=A0draft-ietf-repute-query-http-04 - Larry

Best regards,
-sm

--bcaec54b53a8d59cbf04d76a8368-- From barryleiba@gmail.com Sun Mar 10 16:04:36 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461D121F85E0 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:04:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id saVrFqhOQ4HA for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x22d.google.com (mail-la0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::22d]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87E6321F845D for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-la0-f45.google.com with SMTP id er20so3259230lab.4 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:04:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3oPt6i0hWXJlqiIWJQf8g99ntL9GpawMpMXLwKaRXCA=; b=lBdzZw1a9d8kVsQoAiuOPMIlBVpMB3OFORqD5FZrnxBSWK87ifbdy+0o4cZc+balFt W+0x9VHjFQELzs9DE8i3tSgYKHZVbQY7MKt5EhRjTny5qfWuJQJ64QH3qgmkrRHnZkSB kxW81IkLBg6Y9aRtk/HgDz53iYb6sywmF9arfu7wKFQFtDljiJXYZtunzACxJAqGhnhs mkMqiFqNzBpvUp02owiORk06bumIG3nHtgivEPFuSsLVkglYZZ3/NYNjkYxlB3mwTNuZ qQ/ldImW4cWAtykXO43TjXe2kAcEyOQt6kD0YwjAznRAL6FFZSmtWCmZBdSHAGdK5JnO GRqA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.147.36 with SMTP id th4mr8433436lab.19.1362956674458; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:04:34 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.76.98 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Mar 2013 16:04:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 19:04:34 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: NK3aGEyaz1GL8ZVlbGAVYbWa4lY Message-ID: From: Applications Area Directors To: "app-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "appsdir@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=e89a8f22c3816ce8c104d79a14d3 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 18:17:07 -0700 Subject: Re: [appsdir] App chairs lunch, Monday of IETF 86 (11 March 2013) X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2013 23:04:36 -0000 --e89a8f22c3816ce8c104d79a14d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The joint App Chairs and App Directorate lunch meeting at IETF 86 is in Boca 3 (the IESG meeting room). Please grab lunch and meet there, and let's chat for a bit about some things we need to share with the chairs, how to expand the AppDir, and other such things. Revised ICS file attached. We understand that not all of you can make it; that's fine. Come if you can, but don't worry about it if you can't. Barry and Pete On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Applications Area Directors wrote: > Booking early: > The App ADs want to continue the Applications Area chairs' lunch > meetings. We want to try to have them on Mondays, so we can use them > to plan the week. Therefore, the one for IETF 86 (Orlando) will be on > the Monday of IETF week. We will plan to book the IESG meeting room > for this. > > Please put it on your calendar; ICS file attached: Monday, 11 March > 2013, 11:30 to 13:00 Orlando time (EST) Pick up your own lunch and > bring it, and let's try to gather by 11:45, and break around 12:50 to > have time to get to the afternoon session. > > We will have someone taking notes, as in Atlanta, and we will post > them to the chairs. A perhaps edited version, a brief summary of what > we talked about, will also go to apps-discuss and to the meeting > proceedings. But this is for us to speak freely, so it's possible > that not everything will be posted. > > Barry and Pete --e89a8f22c3816ce8c104d79a14d3 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="AppChairsLunch86.ics" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="AppChairsLunch86.ics" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: f_he4t5xpx1 QkVHSU46VkNBTEVOREFSDQpNRVRIT0Q6UFVCTElTSA0KVkVSU0lPTjoyLjANClBST0RJRDotLy9B cHBsZSBJbmMuLy9pQ2FsIDQuMC40Ly9FTg0KQ0FMU0NBTEU6R1JFR09SSUFODQpCRUdJTjpWVElN RVpPTkUNClRaSUQ6QW1lcmljYS9OZXdfWW9yaw0KQkVHSU46REFZTElHSFQNClRaT0ZGU0VURlJP TTotMDUwMA0KUlJVTEU6RlJFUT1ZRUFSTFk7QllNT05USD0zO0JZREFZPTJTVQ0KRFRTVEFSVDoy MDA3MDMxMVQwMjAwMDANClRaTkFNRTpFRFQNClRaT0ZGU0VUVE86LTA0MDANCkVORDpEQVlMSUdI VA0KQkVHSU46U1RBTkRBUkQNClRaT0ZGU0VURlJPTTotMDQwMA0KUlJVTEU6RlJFUT1ZRUFSTFk7 QllNT05USD0xMTtCWURBWT0xU1UNCkRUU1RBUlQ6MjAwNzExMDRUMDIwMDAwDQpUWk5BTUU6RVNU DQpUWk9GRlNFVFRPOi0wNTAwDQpFTkQ6U1RBTkRBUkQNCkVORDpWVElNRVpPTkUNCkJFR0lOOlZF VkVOVA0KQ1JFQVRFRDoyMDEyMDgyOVQxNjQ4NDNaDQpVSUQ6MERGOEM3OTUtNzRFNy00OTNFLUFC RTUtODJGRjQyNDU3QjE3DQpEVEVORDtUWklEPUFtZXJpY2EvTmV3X1lvcms6MjAxMzAzMTFUMTMw MDAwDQpUUkFOU1A6T1BBUVVFDQpTVU1NQVJZOkFwcCBBcmVhIGNoYWlycyBsdW5jaA0KRFRTVEFS VDtUWklEPUFtZXJpY2EvTmV3X1lvcms6MjAxMzAzMTFUMTEzMDAwDQpEVFNUQU1QOjIwMTIxMTI5 VDE1MTU1N1oNCkxPQ0FUSU9OOkJvY2EgMyAoSUVTRyBtZWV0aW5nIHJvb20pDQpTRVFVRU5DRToz DQpERVNDUklQVElPTjpQaWNrIHVwIHlvdXIgb3duIGx1bmNoIGFuZCBicmluZyBpdFwsIGFuZCBs ZXQncyB0cnkgdG8gZ2F0aGUNCiByIGJ5IDExOjQ1XCwgYW5kIGJyZWFrIGFyb3VuZCAxMjo0NSB0 byBoYXZlIHRpbWUgdG8gZ2V0IHRvIHRoZSBhZnRlcm5vb24NCiAgc2Vzc2lvbi5cblxuTGlzdCBv ZiB0b3BpY3M6XG5Eb2N1bWVudCByZXBvcnRzIGZyb20gbWVldGluZyBzZXNzaW9ucy5cbg0KRU5E OlZFVkVOVA0KRU5EOlZDQUxFTkRBUg0K --e89a8f22c3816ce8c104d79a14d3-- From barryleiba@gmail.com Mon Mar 11 10:22:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB0D211E812B for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:22:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TJDZFGIxAstm for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-la0-x233.google.com (mail-la0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c03::233]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490B81F041A for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-la0-f51.google.com with SMTP id fo13so4119737lab.24 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:22:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=CzGjM7OSXt9RKKKF6ZpS2H6a2OksG+/CLXtISuocoOk=; b=oXEh0XxSKOCvCdDOCfL1Hz/A4QpdMrO63iyH2QnZBJPGoqw8MnDsu9hPVhEKPaRTBo rMNM5ZrKVVHrOr7PgukJ4qv18KegR7PLtzTIlM5eQhHm7oiJqFmiQVXXy982Gz6kYMLK W1uybhigMYojTESvA9haLSHX7GwgsriXmClGErFywvanYPirBq657kzoTsfHscHg/8aD K1gPUKxsbGBTXE+Cfb4SGwPjXJichR0HPSew8OjaD5wQcxEwTuDAvR9otK9Cbbo920u+ TgrgTBMr12YyM7Xs0gp+AtQlcYTfuMwPm2zeiVvSGQSDAkY8hthH8YGJG/T+3mZh41c9 rHKw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.123.194 with SMTP id mc2mr11055958lab.7.1363022573945; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.76.98 with HTTP; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:22:53 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:22:53 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: yhUDdrEldPqREHikDMGFHqUpYGQ Message-ID: From: Applications Area Directors To: "app-chairs@tools.ietf.org" , "appsdir@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04426eda574a1f04d7a96c9a X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 10:32:07 -0700 Cc: "app-ads@tools.ietf.org" Subject: [appsdir] Rough notes from the App Chairs and AppsDir lunch meeting at IETF 86 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 17:22:59 -0000 --f46d04426eda574a1f04d7a96c9a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Rough notes from the App Chairs and AppsDir lunch meeting at IETF 86, Monday, 11 March. Please send me corrections, additions, and comments. *Look for chairs and appsdir members* - ACTION: All chairs who are not already appsdir members, please consider joining; see SM. - ACTION: All chairs, please keep an eye out in your working groups for active, insightful participants who can join appsdir and/or who might be good as new chairs. See Barry/Pete. *Writing quality & reviews* Discussion of writing quality of documents, and how that affects reviews. Note that focusing on issues is better than spending time & effort on nits. At the same time, too many nits can make for a very hard-to-read document, so calling that out is important. *Document shepherds* Brief discussion of document shepherding. - ACTION: When you're shepherding a document, the ADs expect you to have thoroughly reviewed the document. Please post your shepherd review to the mailing list, so it's on record. - ACTION: Please have a look at draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd. Comments to Barry, and also consider following the advice described in it. *Using the datatracker* Brief discussion of ongoing enhancements to the datatracker. There's a new feature that's not quite finished, which allows submission of a document through a tracker state change (email is triggered automatically). - ACTION: Chairs, please always set the shepherd field in the datatracker and post shepherd writeup to the datatracker. - ACTION: Request publication by setting document state to "Sent to IESG for Publication", and *also* (for now), send email to the AD noting that you did that. No need to include the shepherd writeup if you have put the writeup into the tracker. *DISCUSS positions to WG lists?* Discussion of whether IESG DISCUSS positions, along with the ensuing discussion, should be copied to the WG mailing lists. Extended discussion -- mostly support on the grounds of openness and accountability, but some concern about "noise" on the mailing lists, opening old wounds, that sort of thing. - ACTION: App ADs will do this on an experimental basis; if you want to try it for your working group, please let your AD know. *Target audience, who understands the doc?* WGs often respond to cross-area questions by saying that anyone who works in this space would understand this. But is that really true? Where do we find the balance between saying too much (we can't explain *everything*) and not saying enough (and getting bad implementations because people *don't * really understand)? -- Barry --f46d04426eda574a1f04d7a96c9a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rough notes from the App Chairs and AppsDir lun= ch meeting at IETF 86, Monday, 11 March. =A0Please send me corrections, add= itions, and comments.
=A0
Look for chairs and appsdir membe= rs
  • ACTION: All chairs = who are not already appsdir members, please consider joining; see SM.
  • ACTION: All chairs, please keep= an eye out in your working groups for active, insightful participants who = can join appsdir and/or who might be good as new chairs. =A0See Barry/Pete.=
Writing quality & reviews
Discussion of writing quality of documents, and how that= affects reviews.
Note that focusing on issues is better than spe= nding time & effort on nits.
At the same time, too many nits can make for a very hard-to-read docum= ent, so calling that out is important.

Document shepherds
Brief discussion of= document shepherding.
  • ACTION: When you= 9;re shepherding a document, the ADs expect you to have thoroughly reviewed= the document. =A0Please post your shepherd review to the mailing list, so = it's on record.
  • ACTION: Please have a look at= draft-leiba-extended-doc-shepherd. =A0Comments to Barry, and also consider= following the advice described in it.
Using the datatracker
Brief discussion of ongoing enhancements to the datatracker. =A0There&= #39;s a new feature that's not quite finished, which allows submission = of a document through a tracker state change (email is triggered automatica= lly).
  • ACTION: Chairs, ple= ase always set the shepherd field in the datatracker and post shepherd writ= eup to the datatracker.
  • ACTION: Request publication by setting document state to "Sent to IESG f= or Publication", and also (for now), send email to the A= D noting that you did that. =A0No need to include the shepherd writeup if y= ou have put the writeup into the tracker.
DISCUSS positions to WG lists?
Discussion of whether IESG DISCUSS positions, along wit= h the ensuing discussion, should be copied to the WG mailing lists. =A0Exte= nded discussion -- mostly support on the grounds of openness and accountabi= lity, but some concern about "noise" on the mailing lists, openin= g old wounds, that sort of thing.
  • ACTION: App ADs wil= l do this on an experimental basis; if you want to try it for your working = group, please let your AD know.
Target audience, who understands the doc?
WGs often respond to cross-area questions by saying that anyone who wo= rks in this space would understand this. =A0But is that really true? =A0Whe= re do we find the balance between saying too much (we can't explain = everything) and not saying enough (and getting bad implementatio= ns because people don't really understand)?

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Barry
--f46d04426eda574a1f04d7a96c9a-- From sm@elandsys.com Mon Mar 11 13:05:23 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC00721F8F03 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:05:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fHPHC5E10HFY for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C4221F8E4D for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sm-THINK.elandsys.com (dhcp-10a4.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.16.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2BK5DFa001161 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:05:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1363032322; bh=Ix9zjNlIr7xigL0QDxVt7Uhb9gYxrp1JcSOoFb8B0CI=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=ulTF7gNXnjKeJnI+xV2Fiw8ClJRy6oZfw9LKe+evZSjnFGtrTa01Awfpu3M2DPNt7 QFn1JuhZEHanGH6piRpBFVsoTYWW7qTZt/zZ4myJ3QhdkEoH4JkCHm6ASgD7DoJkyD 7RpBu0A5KAZA00tsVUnF/Ev63eh/0JFKHD/D5lTM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1363032322; i=@elandsys.com; bh=Ix9zjNlIr7xigL0QDxVt7Uhb9gYxrp1JcSOoFb8B0CI=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=Bk6OzFlJ9kO6SYwTcO44DJvFPMtEqRe0eP60OC2WD+ZjFju7iQsLnpGWRayLK5WGc Pmt2nE0AseYgIh8cdd20eWxUG1XL5k9VRAntamYZNlwnYZD8RR6rRwbhDTWZfW8ef8 NjQWOCJV0N3zyMZIGSHglkvuhJnLz8O4l6mZ/KSY= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130311125657.0b0969f0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:01:42 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [appsdir] Nits in reviews (was: Rough notes from the App Chairs and AppsDir lunch meeting at IETF 86) X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:05:23 -0000 At 10:22 AM 3/11/2013, Applications Area Directors wrote: >Writing quality & reviews >Discussion of writing quality of documents, and how that affects reviews. >Note that focusing on issues is better than spending time & effort on nits. >At the same time, too many nits can make for a very hard-to-read >document, so calling that out is important. Barry, thanks for the notes. There is currently a section for nits in the template ( http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/template ). I suggest removing that section so that nits are not part of AppsDir review. The reason is as explained above. If you have any opinion please post them to the mailing list. Best regards, -sm From cabo@tzi.org Mon Mar 11 13:19:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8E521F8DD6 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:19:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GdHEPVqwnmW1 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:19:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E19B21F8DD5 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 13:19:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2BKJ7Rv024439; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:19:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (zoo.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.218.16]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 145683B7D; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 21:19:06 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.2 \(1499\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130311125657.0b0969f0@elandnews.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 16:19:05 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130311125657.0b0969f0@elandnews.com> To: SM X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1499) Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Nits in reviews (was: Rough notes from the App Chairs and AppsDir lunch meeting at IETF 86) X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2013 20:19:24 -0000 On Mar 11, 2013, at 16:01, SM wrote: > opinion As I said in the meeting, in addition to taking out the section from the = template there should be a suggestion to send any nits collected right = to the authors, and an admonition to only do this where the substance of = the document is not touched. Gr=FC=DFe, Carsten From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Mon Mar 11 22:23:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B86421F847B for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:23:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.79 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WTZthoJ6jRIL for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.33]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DC0321F8623 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2013 22:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id r2C5NGYq019547 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:23:16 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 2ac2_9200_f1919dfa_8ad4_11e2_9547_001d096c566a; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:23:16 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:37494) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:23:17 +0900 Message-ID: <513EBBBF.6070605@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 14:23:11 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Carsten Bormann References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130311125657.0b0969f0@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, SM Subject: Re: [appsdir] Nits in reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 05:23:19 -0000 I think different reviewers deal different with nits. Some reviewers just read over them, without noticing. Some others may notice them, but don't care too much. Some may not feel okay if they don't report the nits they have seen. I personally belong into the last category. Carsten's proposal to send nits separately would only create more work for me. I have nothing against saying somewhere that reviewers should focus on issues rather than on nits, but I don't think it's necessary to dictate how the reviewers have to do the reviews; they should be allowed to do what works best for them. Regards, Martin. On 2013/03/12 5:19, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Mar 11, 2013, at 16:01, SM wrote: > >> opinion > > As I said in the meeting, in addition to taking out the section from the template there should be a suggestion to send any nits collected right to the authors, and an admonition to only do this where the substance of the document is not touched. > > Grüße, Carsten > > _______________________________________________ > appsdir mailing list > appsdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/appsdir > From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Tue Mar 12 06:09:34 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25D521F84E8 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:09:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.015 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.015 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.337, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id quIprWfpAVwx for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vb0-x236.google.com (mail-vb0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c02::236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50C9521F84E6 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:09:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-vb0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l1so2228832vba.41 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=NBDZLBlOKKdUzGiJTWKo+yBpacvXZOC7Cci6lyMSEDY=; b=coSvczlM97lENwA0u6tgHNd8BKLCb1dLm6dFDGTL/tGKjlCkh8ASGSfbT4lV4cHCo5 PN0tiYibY758XNsi1SY3wxvuOk/ayQtNgYmkie0HUZ7ElUVUJXPvpBt7Khv0P0vGBgD2 6cLRk9exj5laNTA3PgeOAWOYcVJIU4Eta/xA7lpJdSiSSsqi6C02Mmz+1fA2gvJUbK5G UPqIdmQCFY+tvbKanw7SbC0eTUCkgG2/WO+erYdI0NreepuUqWCLy13ab0/fgdRQBPY8 tpVYQJtR8p1sKJafqjC2zEAS0h+73WYhkMxoy1velMobvITokRIUIPd0JsoBgHzfFg3F dpJg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.24.229 with SMTP id x5mr5657986vdf.84.1363093773813; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:09:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Received: by 10.59.3.41 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:09:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <513EBBBF.6070605@it.aoyama.ac.jp> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130311125657.0b0969f0@elandnews.com> <513EBBBF.6070605@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:09:33 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: pOc-m-Gk1P9RGokkwiA6e6hx1YQ Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Carsten Bormann , "appsdir@ietf.org" , SM Subject: Re: [appsdir] Nits in reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:09:34 -0000 > I have nothing against saying somewhere that reviewers should focus on > issues rather than on nits, but I don't think it's necessary to dictate how > the reviewers have to do the reviews; they should be allowed to do what > works best for them. No one is "dictating" anything; we're talking about suggestions and general guidelines. The bottom line is that we very much appreciate the reviews, and we thank the reviewers for taking the time and trouble to do them. Barry From sm@elandsys.com Tue Mar 12 06:39:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD7EF21F8481 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:39:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.150, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QyQuFrelCFNt for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:39:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 487D921F85EE for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:39:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sm-THINK.elandsys.com (dhcp-10a4.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.16.164]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2CDdDPG008993 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:39:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1363095564; bh=/H8GW/0nkLJKrGWeC9a5l+eTWk+s8ZolKNBQCd8I0eU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=ma067MctVNbwPPcvUKCdmemSbymbQp+y8S4ADU7clRWOT9pNrBRCbD+tGR9loaTJF ICYBTLW4BFYvAMLLT5m3zcjQ5OocsjGOUzHE0ElnshYxY3PSJ9lMRRhhDC1vUK0CEN lxXa6dhCqAlgVLuvqK/8ENwJc6+Nu75ZsYraKRQE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1363095564; i=@elandsys.com; bh=/H8GW/0nkLJKrGWeC9a5l+eTWk+s8ZolKNBQCd8I0eU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=HtkQjIyB4Bu7PIkkeY6vU38s1INLN/KxPmmC9IIpux9VKo2MCqzECmeQVmOZCVizn Hmt4naFE2xmjPzV7EheQR6e0bR6a08KpI7NpP37MouuJ86jhXLjxfBp6iesUsawmHa nf6RsY901zRBBUweu++PRQf5lzDaS6BCzmp6IgIM= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130312062200.0af57788@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:38:53 -0700 To: Carsten Bormann , =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst=22?= From: SM In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130311125657.0b0969f0@elandnews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Nits in reviews (was: Rough notes from the App Chairs and AppsDir lunch meeting at IETF 86) X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:39:27 -0000 At 01:19 PM 3/11/2013, Carsten Bormann wrote: >As I said in the meeting, in addition to taking=20 >out the section from the template there should=20 >be a suggestion to send any nits collected right=20 >to the authors, and an admonition to only do=20 >this where the substance of the document is not touched. Thanks for the feedback. I should have mentioned=20 the above. At least we have a mailing list so=20 that we can discuss about the pros and cons with everyone. At 10:23 PM 3/11/2013, Martin J. D=FCrst wrote: >I think different reviewers deal different with=20 >nits. Some reviewers just read over them,=20 >without noticing. Some others may notice them,=20 >but don't care too much. Some may not feel okay=20 >if they don't report the nits they have seen. > >I personally belong into the last category.=20 >Carsten's proposal to send nits separately would only create more work for= me. > >I have nothing against saying somewhere that=20 >reviewers should focus on issues rather than on=20 >nits, but I don't think it's necessary to=20 >dictate how the reviewers have to do the=20 >reviews; they should be allowed to do what works best for them. Reviewers already focus on issues. As a quick=20 comment for context, Pete mentioned that he might=20 be distracted by the nits and miss the issues=20 mentioned in the review. The suggestion was to=20 remove the nits section from the template. That=20 does not mean that you should not include=20 nits. The template is a guidance; i.e. it's=20 there to make the life of the reviewer easier. Best regards, -sm=20 From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Tue Mar 12 06:44:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 775C321F84E8 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:44:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.397 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.397 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.494, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KTdZrBBZmzT6 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from statler.isode.com (statler.isode.com [62.3.217.254]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBE421F84E6 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 06:44:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1363095869; d=isode.com; s=selector; i=@isode.com; bh=f6WNB9TE7WZX83h7rc8lQThojghnwf0L+9Spn9IfYJo=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=enpb0NT7z6Jwj82iHVjc/4LwADx9GWz2hav6ZMOpE0HszuKZm1XsE8ET2KsHL2ZQq5vJGE mdnADdSO1bFGY1suYSvvwOmhOTrU7HLvCgeePRBg76XelSwMIuZyUNZsSOWKtV1EFrH1fn pwlmq5odjp03O7lxYpwnPDSunYOAyrw=; Received: from [130.129.16.62] (dhcp-103e.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.16.62]) by statler.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPA id ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:44:29 +0000 References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130311125657.0b0969f0@elandnews.com> <513EBBBF.6070605@it.aoyama.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <513EBBBF.6070605@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Message-Id: <8D23B9C0-51D6-4BCA-B424-A11EBADB6BF7@isode.com> X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A523) From: Alexey Melnikov Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 09:49:57 -0400 To: =?utf-8?Q?"Martin_J._D=C3=BCrst"?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cc: "appsdir@ietf.org" , SM Subject: Re: [appsdir] Nits in reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 13:44:31 -0000 On 12 Mar 2013, at 01:23, "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst" wr= ote: > I think different reviewers deal different with nits. Some reviewers just r= ead over them, without noticing. Some others may notice them, but don't care= too much. Some may not feel okay if they don't report the nits they have se= en. >=20 > I personally belong into the last category. Carsten's proposal to send nit= s separately would only create more work for me. >=20 > I have nothing against saying somewhere that reviewers should focus on iss= ues rather than on nits, but I don't think it's necessary to dictate how the= reviewers have to do the reviews; they should be allowed to do what works b= est for them. +1! From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Tue Mar 12 10:29:31 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16E4121F8930 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:29:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6aaFWS4ZHVtS for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:29:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FFC21F88F7 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: internal info suppressed Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 18:29:06 +0100 (CET) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@wl-edu-154.cl.mdw.ac.at To: Alexey Melnikov In-Reply-To: <8D23B9C0-51D6-4BCA-B424-A11EBADB6BF7@isode.com> Message-ID: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130311125657.0b0969f0@elandnews.com> <513EBBBF.6070605@it.aoyama.ac.jp> <8D23B9C0-51D6-4BCA-B424-A11EBADB6BF7@isode.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-1894270791-1363109349=:1055" DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1363109349; bh=LJjTaRX5ARXVdfLT2nxOwiYPF9BIfFQlvTTrAMNNpIU=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=OSZyQQvICwExFnuddx5UDWftSEVQdSqk/I/jVZ92FNut0K5LKF2k1IwxxDtRt4sVZ Ip15H33A8w4+cPOgSVN4wpQhnQoGo75oqxrC6+9OCOiTrXu7j4WhO0x6CISd5igWCK zPIBZt1P2QdEqJYVXxuM2FiVsHVu2O8eNjdOrWMI= Cc: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst?= , "appsdir@ietf.org" , SM Subject: Re: [appsdir] Nits in reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:29:31 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-1894270791-1363109349=:1055 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 12 Mar 2013, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > On 12 Mar 2013, at 01:23, "Martin J. Dürst" wrote: > >> I think different reviewers deal different with nits. Some reviewers just read over them, without noticing. Some others may notice them, but don't care too much. Some may not feel okay if they don't report the nits they have seen. >> >> I personally belong into the last category. Carsten's proposal to send nits separately would only create more work for me. >> >> I have nothing against saying somewhere that reviewers should focus on issues rather than on nits, but I don't think it's necessary to dictate how the reviewers have to do the reviews; they should be allowed to do what works best for them. > > +1! same for me! > > _______________________________________________ > appsdir mailing list > appsdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/appsdir > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca --0-1894270791-1363109349=:1055-- From tbray@textuality.com Tue Mar 12 10:34:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2397421F84EF for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.643 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.643 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.333, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, SARE_HTML_USL_OBFU=1.666] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Y7mRKEZBFN5 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lb0-f176.google.com (mail-lb0-f176.google.com [209.85.217.176]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF57621F84CA for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lb0-f176.google.com with SMTP id s4so188826lbc.21 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:34:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:x-originating-ip:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type:x-gm-message-state; bh=Hyuq37bzh26dSRilf5b7Y/TPv1CBw/ulbfmT9fk8CWA=; b=JTSKFOblJ3ZnlNp4lxcds4ZrAH42w1uILqVXzWvcCDlqBgfqyLeyssneGK06i6U3Gq +pb9sPfHDw7aAEgSnDZ0S3xl0TIiJiJ9mrsMEKPni8sl2+qS/gQTNiNAv3mbrLGRapB4 NTIREG1UOPO49iiK0VsDV9rKOhrgBm6iu6Eeincm1mPFxJWBS90+o2Yiyr4UjJwLnFTK NoRON2+Flz8ntvDZDA7+n6u7envR0oQ2WGSmiKzv+IolVpchQ4h0tD589hwPVMRhV6o1 +3kK7iMbnf1K0IE6fP1R3XBXK2X50SnJTrF4Lc2gliWMAa5qxXpqdSeNkdJrGDpO8SQA qtow== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.79.34 with SMTP id g2mr6104587lbx.41.1363109654399; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.37.228 with HTTP; Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:34:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [172.19.241.218] In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130312062200.0af57788@elandnews.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130311125657.0b0969f0@elandnews.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20130312062200.0af57788@elandnews.com> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 10:34:14 -0700 Message-ID: From: Tim Bray To: SM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba309508bdc15f04d7bdb2eb X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmBySjnBAf+OAVCEuzqToc4DcvxawZ+77Z6lgkNuEy39w9BKODOYAGRrsr+0bOYn5pHDLq+ Cc: Carsten Bormann , "appsdir@ietf.org" , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst?= Subject: Re: [appsdir] Nits in reviews (was: Rough notes from the App Chairs and AppsDir lunch meeting at IETF 86) X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 17:34:18 -0000 --90e6ba309508bdc15f04d7bdb2eb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The template is perfectly clear. Important stuff first, nits later. This makes the task straightforward for: - the reviewer - keep one review doc open as you read, pour comments into the appropriate section - IESG other content-oriented readers of the review - stop reading when you get to =93nits=94 - doc editors - you have to read the review end-to-end It ain=92t broken, don=92t fix it. -T On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:38 AM, SM wrote: > At 01:19 PM 3/11/2013, Carsten Bormann wrote: > >> As I said in the meeting, in addition to taking out the section from the >> template there should be a suggestion to send any nits collected right t= o >> the authors, and an admonition to only do this where the substance of th= e >> document is not touched. >> > > Thanks for the feedback. I should have mentioned the above. At least we > have a mailing list so that we can discuss about the pros and cons with > everyone. > > At 10:23 PM 3/11/2013, Martin J. D=FCrst wrote: > >> I think different reviewers deal different with nits. Some reviewers jus= t >> read over them, without noticing. Some others may notice them, but don't >> care too much. Some may not feel okay if they don't report the nits they >> have seen. >> >> I personally belong into the last category. Carsten's proposal to send >> nits separately would only create more work for me. >> >> I have nothing against saying somewhere that reviewers should focus on >> issues rather than on nits, but I don't think it's necessary to dictate = how >> the reviewers have to do the reviews; they should be allowed to do what >> works best for them. >> > > Reviewers already focus on issues. As a quick comment for context, Pete > mentioned that he might be distracted by the nits and miss the issues > mentioned in the review. The suggestion was to remove the nits section > from the template. That does not mean that you should not include nits. > The template is a guidance; i.e. it's there to make the life of the > reviewer easier. > > Best regards, > -sm > ______________________________**_________________ > appsdir mailing list > appsdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/**listinfo/appsdir > --90e6ba309508bdc15f04d7bdb2eb Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The template is perfectly clear. Impor= tant stuff first, nits later.=A0 This makes the task straightforward for:
- the reviewer - keep one review doc open as you read, pour comment= s into the appropriate section
- IESG other content-oriented readers of the review - stop reading wh= en you get to =93nits=94
- doc editors - you have to read the revi= ew end-to-end

It ain=92t broken, don=92t fix it. -T
<= div class=3D"gmail_extra">

On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 6:38 AM, SM <sm+ietf@elandsys.com> wrote:
At 01:19 PM 3/11/2013, Carsten Bormann wrote:
As I said in the meeting, in addition to taking out the section from the te= mplate there should be a suggestion to send any nits collected right to the= authors, and an admonition to only do this where the substance of the docu= ment is not touched.

Thanks for the feedback. =A0I should have mentioned the above. =A0At least = we have a mailing list so that we can discuss about the pros and cons with = everyone.

At 10:23 PM 3/11/2013, Martin J. D=FCrst wrote:
I think different reviewers deal different with nits. Some reviewers just r= ead over them, without noticing. Some others may notice them, but don't= care too much. Some may not feel okay if they don't report the nits th= ey have seen.

I personally belong into the last category. Carsten's proposal to send = nits separately would only create more work for me.

I have nothing against saying somewhere that reviewers should focus on issu= es rather than on nits, but I don't think it's necessary to dictate= how the reviewers have to do the reviews; they should be allowed to do wha= t works best for them.

Reviewers already focus on issues. =A0As a quick comment for context, Pete = mentioned that he might be distracted by the nits and miss the issues menti= oned in the review. =A0The suggestion was to remove the nits section from t= he template. =A0That does not mean that you should not include nits. =A0The= template is a guidance; i.e. it's there to make the life of the review= er easier.

Best regards,
-sm
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appsdir mailing list
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--90e6ba309508bdc15f04d7bdb2eb-- From sm@elandsys.com Mon Mar 18 21:56:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DCA21F85DC for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:56:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ldv61sJrgzZV for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D152B21F85D8 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.133.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2J4udat013609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:56:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1363669011; bh=mXXLuylm02ewXkw+q4DZHwg90P87jvyBj33A/F1xb8s=; h=Date:To:From:Subject; b=OZrnA3JL53lUWa1sAVXSmyQsG1zEyl7mS9lg3uV0jOIpbjdJCGKR9VXx2dGAtewsr XAEgYst+XVxUEJyJj2baY+xwjGBzUvD5GAdNlOl/HzxFtKOsLk5CBg9e6OtG+VVykz AlM+jgPAEE1y1PdFoAEuI8oSPqYK7BrBkWfa+VC0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1363669011; i=@elandsys.com; bh=mXXLuylm02ewXkw+q4DZHwg90P87jvyBj33A/F1xb8s=; h=Date:To:From:Subject; b=fDq9nTaOrS2Dz5SIGOLYqtktwOCgTo7E9HLH3vDSOhAsse0KRKJeZocelBooUFbcW kFtvM49h7FwGTLUAmok4B3ZZFDHiftTOOxwvspnPgR7FVhW2HRgFCLyKqzaTvRSN9P yJQjhWD8XwexFLkpL/xH5MY5LX4Pj9RXithPUZFE= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130318203546.07d8a730@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:49:49 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [appsdir] Applications Area Directorate after IETF 86 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 04:56:56 -0000 Hello, The following persons have kindly volunteered at IETF 86 to be part of the Applications Area Directorate: Alex Sergeyev Bert Greevenbosch He Xuan Kerry Lynn Ray Polk Cyrus Daboo Karen O'Donoghue Martin Thomson Tony Hansen I am aware that Cyrus, Karen, Martin and Tony have been or are WG chairs. I gather that they already know the directorate reviews work. :-) There was a Joint Review experiment [1] in January 2012 where two reviewers were assigned a review. I would like to run the experiment again with Alex, Bert, He, Kerry and Ray. I'll post a message about the experiment in a few days. As mentioned during the Applications Area session at IETF 86 the expectation is for each reviewer to perform two reviews monthly. In practice, everyone does one review or less monthly. I try to spread the workload as far as possible. I usually try to provide about two weeks notice when assigning reviews. Members of the IAB, IESG and IAOC are automatically put on leave (they do not get any assignments unless they decide otherwise). You can ask not to be given assignments for a some time if you email me in advance. Possible reasons are, you changed jobs, you are too busy, personal reasons, etc. The directorate web page is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/ApplicationsAreaDirectorate You can edit the web page (it is a wiki) and add your name, expertise and the working groups you follow to it. I use that information to suggest a reviewer. For example, if a draft has XML in it I suggest assigning the review to a person who listed XML as his/her expertise. You can get a login for the wiki by going to http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/loginmgr/newlogin You can also send me the information and I'll post it to the web page. The template at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/template is used for directorate reviews. Reviewers are not obliged to use the template; it's there as guidance. Reviews are usually sent to apps-discuss@ietf.org, draft-name-without-version-num.all@tools.ietf.org. The review is also copied to iesg@ietf.org if a Last Call has been issued. There is a list of reviews at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/tracker Feel free to take a look at them to see the work of the existing reviewers. The appsdir@ietf.org mailing list is used for discussions about the directorate, for requests for reviews, etc. The mailing list archive is at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/maillist.html If you have any questions feel free to email me. I would like to thank you all for volunteering your free time and effort. Best regards, -sm 1. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00748.html From sm@elandsys.com Mon Mar 18 21:57:00 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F99321F85D8 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:57:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HoWWpf8nKQGM for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5809521F8634 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.133.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2J4udav013609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:56:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1363669018; bh=ybIX+nh76mWOWohoLI75zwaoTFNkcXaI+BO8yLOXnlE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=baVWXaeLqIliHC4uBllXzYydj0E7FuKBkfemta/OQxtWBkrjRt9OQW9OEu6mC1vUu +l/NwBKtJbezV3+NgCgto3b8wmk1inzCMGyjChjaQfmDGLUCl5kzNf/y45Wpq72Go8 MteFMtGILY9ZtDG/cVr+tv2h1AtZWpO8Q+x5/w+o= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1363669018; i=@elandsys.com; bh=ybIX+nh76mWOWohoLI75zwaoTFNkcXaI+BO8yLOXnlE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=y80wnxmRWwO91XBEngXYIZaKfhXhO/Ccnwm5+oT/svoFb+IB11+5Pb505VfTokrAI 8EDJyVp8sXglQ95swBh3ynxKZpKSh1RRhfr4QZHbGvMC6t+sM0IznJ5f8s41pyMok2 8gLF/Igw+SFLVaCZXGeyU5beiK/tb03str5nEhOY= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130318215016.06d51c00@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 21:54:40 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130311125657.0b0969f0@elandnews.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20130312062200.0af57788@elandnews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: Carsten Bormann , Tim Bray , "Martin J. =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=FCrst?=" Subject: Re: [appsdir] Nits in reviews (was: Rough notes from the App Chairs and AppsDir lunch meeting at IETF 86) X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 04:57:00 -0000 At 10:34 12-03-2013, Tim Bray wrote: >The template is perfectly clear. Important stuff first, nits >later. This makes the task straightforward for: >- the reviewer - keep one review doc open as you read, pour comments >into the appropriate section >- IESG other content-oriented readers of the review - stop reading >when you get to "nits" >- doc editors - you have to read the review end-to-end I like the above. :-) >It ain't broken, don't fix it. -T I'll leave the template unchanged. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Tue Mar 26 00:14:08 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FF021F8617 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:14:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vReucx3d3kWT for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC8B21F858C for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:14:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.156.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2Q7DsNG018537 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:14:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1364282046; bh=jLUMkDv2EWbO1me6ylbH2dyT2P/ronHzYmv2F0NilbA=; h=Date:To:From:Subject; b=k2YRWtNQN2qJsYB5DsL25KdzPAhRuONg1IvAMG+TP9VI6ypKqrhL1m4Os5kAXjaSL wvdNeu365FllYUUK0s5BjWvc96sdrVDPlghis8jVZlZs8x/wtz2kZOqyKIXMER7xVi mVk+4z7uzWdEmcGIzu9letBKwA/fe08HUA53Sdqk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1364282046; i=@elandsys.com; bh=jLUMkDv2EWbO1me6ylbH2dyT2P/ronHzYmv2F0NilbA=; h=Date:To:From:Subject; b=Qa4GNemv65yAYs04um1lKSYGABnxncYttTwsbOO5R/32fAmbeL9FKZJgXoIqkhNpn iHK56T63bSbrJukHgCC/ZRyJef1Pk+ERnN3P47TCMhDq34G6l0XSmQEAlI/EyZr7Dc nP8xU/PZB4Ip/N5/WClwqakBY221K0Ytz7puxUk0= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130325235519.0cdd5fb0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:13:35 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [appsdir] AppsDir Joint Review Experiment X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 07:14:08 -0000 Hello, The Apps Area Review Team (predecessor of the directorate) tried a joint review experiment in February 2012. It did not go as expected [1]. I will be trying the experiment once again. If it fails I get the blame, if it succeeds those of you who perform the joint reviews get the credit. :-) This Joint Review Experiment is different from the previous one. Some of you have been part of the directorate for some time now; you already know how the IETF works and you are familiar with the interaction. I will ask one of you to work together with a reviewer who joined the directorate recently. I will list two names for the assignment. I will leave it to the two persons to work out how to do the work. There is a previous joint review at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04275.html If you have any questions please feel free to send me a private email. Best regards, -sm 1. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00784.html From sm@elandsys.com Tue Mar 26 00:53:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5833121F892C for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:53:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZFdesgj8cT2x for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BC7C21F8928 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.156.25]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2Q7rRhr002117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:53:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1364284421; bh=mHt6O63LH4/OfroAeZomgUOoCS5TV1fURcx1DiiYvGY=; h=Date:To:From:Subject; b=zPT7hyEQAfUrr4SzwkRqN6IbZguO3/n9Nk/0s6zI+E9fZqh9NDmMEB/cw3oy+ocaH nMJESY2EdFLfOfp/ASCDmmqIfUstznZD9MyZ2gca0lyYKETq9I/d0mGlO54B0j6cxH bGTebl8Y099gM5Ne6H0daM/en/M6fr8VXdO+NMR8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1364284421; i=@elandsys.com; bh=mHt6O63LH4/OfroAeZomgUOoCS5TV1fURcx1DiiYvGY=; h=Date:To:From:Subject; b=QMiOu76B5d8QZSWXxJGvjrcS8y4BloHJ2J60iTB7/w4ez5LCZi/ckOZWSbcqo1go5 y0P9T2d721OqFwU3xkY3Zvtfb/2qWeNzNBlv86ER9FISS/sFF4RnjA3Cj1SBc7J8jp UiFQCPpx7GOfxcHsIqoGo0ZjVir6LNLL7MuUSJA4= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130326003053.0c314400@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 00:51:40 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 07:53:43 -0000 Hello, Here is the tentative list of drafts for review: draft-ietf-core-coap-14 (already assigned) draft-ietf-dnsext-dnssec-algo-signal-09 - DNS draft-ietf-ipfix-flow-selection-tech-14 draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc3530bis-25 - i8n (very long draft) draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc3530bis-dot-x-16 draft-ietf-pcp-upnp-igd-interworking-07 draft-ietf-pkix-rfc2560bis-15 - HTTP draft-ietf-roll-terminology-12 draft-ietf-tls-multiple-cert-status-extension-04 draft-ietf-6renum-gap-analysis-05 - IPv6 draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-06 - XML draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location-04 - XML Please let me know if you have any preferences. Note that a review is not assigned to a person if the person shares the same affiliation as the author of the draft or if the person has previously contributed to the draft. Best regards, -sm From lear@cisco.com Tue Mar 26 01:45:14 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B60121F89B2 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:45:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -109.681 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-109.681 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.918, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ww5f5bPaNttN for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:45:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-4.cisco.com (ams-iport-4.cisco.com [144.254.224.147]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2CF21F89AF for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 01:45:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=108; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1364287513; x=1365497113; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=U3Lw8H8XP52jQllRPeoy2JWJZ9XxXU2ASnIEbkx9AbM=; b=J3QXOdHIr9kJC4nptHPutKCZNlbDWwmVEtGWm/rStRq/U82hD1Aa+hCR RA7LioNbcWyWXDJ+PjbpBsLSKDtk8js2glE6ov5W4NWCVyqpDukl1ZKYo jwmYRsW5a6hctedmy4l6BHqzMvevblQr0q3k1C/DCG0QasSdjOe3L1pkJ 0=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai4KAJNfUVGQ/khM/2dsb2JhbABDhleISLRbBAMBgQUWgSqCHwEBAQMBI1UBBQsLGgIFFgsCAgkDAgECAUUGDQEHAQGICgavD4JAkA+BI41vB4ItgRMDlmeRB4MLOw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,911,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="12898325" Received: from ams-core-3.cisco.com ([144.254.72.76]) by ams-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Mar 2013 08:45:09 +0000 Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp7552.cisco.com (ams3-vpn-dhcp7552.cisco.com [10.61.93.127]) by ams-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r2Q8j43Z012438 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:45:07 GMT Message-ID: <51516010.3030502@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:45:04 +0100 From: Eliot Lear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SM References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130326003053.0c314400@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130326003053.0c314400@elandnews.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 08:45:14 -0000 On 3/26/13 8:51 AM, SM wrote: > draft-ietf-geopriv-held-measurements-06 - XML I'll take this one. From ht@inf.ed.ac.uk Tue Mar 26 02:24:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298C421F8945 for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:24:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qL116MVmdWUs for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.13.205]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A04821F88EA for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 02:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nutty.inf.ed.ac.uk (nutty.inf.ed.ac.uk [129.215.33.33]) by nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r2Q9OUb9024502; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:24:36 GMT Received: from calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk (calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk [129.215.24.15]) by nutty.inf.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r2Q9OUZV024227; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:24:31 GMT Received: from calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r2Q9OU6w016222; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:24:30 GMT Received: (from ht@localhost) by calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id r2Q9OT6a016218; Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:24:29 GMT X-Authentication-Warning: calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk: ht set sender to ht@inf.ed.ac.uk using -f To: SM References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130326003053.0c314400@elandnews.com> From: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:24:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130326003053.0c314400@elandnews.com> (SM's message of "Tue\, 26 Mar 2013 00\:51\:40 -0700") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.101 (Gnus v5.10.10) XEmacs/21.5-b32 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at nougat.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.13.205 Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Tentative list of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2013 09:24:59 -0000 I'll take this one, please: draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location-04 ht -- Henry S. Thompson, School of Informatics, University of Edinburgh 10 Crichton Street, Edinburgh EH8 9AB, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail from me _always_ has a .sig like this -- mail without it is forged spam]