From sm@elandsys.com Tue May 7 23:00:02 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F60621F8F27 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 23:00:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dTQfesf4NopF for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 23:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA84821F8F21 for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 23:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.145.230]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r485xmtA010853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 May 2013 22:59:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1367992799; bh=KT6ICKE8gptMAb52hqaqWAaxrKXLqB0fh1abYS7iZZo=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=aQ22Z1oHfNol6xW1UhOgdq4rT79ko/quusDLcP97peXEcZ1mvtpHgmoUsoWee5LXQ jTq4649quwrbF/VEMledv6Yti3ufPy+3i3L79FYG/I4ul/WHRvEf3lGlZdL3fv+CHs c0/a/KvVDhmiQyUlJwkpe4AzNWRWfECCK/eQpi0I= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1367992799; i=@elandsys.com; bh=KT6ICKE8gptMAb52hqaqWAaxrKXLqB0fh1abYS7iZZo=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=S8MTofUTu/scSJJECg6+Wer1L7LeykgApi42BUiirhp6VSeYvOTwmqll3/tMmqCCi qQTP/64XJdmzBoH30HbH1mO/MDFDXcjvKL4Y7iKdQyeWT/PBhdU5m29euJwZ9MBCR1 2XUXXJ6bcYzwHPeqpkLhl7W6wjbMVsdQpQqEalOI= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130507224351.0b97e990@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 07 May 2013 22:59:31 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM In-Reply-To: <20130502074157.GA4935@elstar.local> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130428233426.0b62fed0@elandnews.com> <20130430083206.GD46852@elstar.local> <20130502074157.GA4935@elstar.local> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [appsdir] Changes to published RFC text (was: [Fwd: APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6021-bis-01) X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 06:00:02 -0000 Hello, At 00:41 02-05-2013, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >But most of the definitions are not new and I am reluctant to make >changes to published RFC text. The argument that text was already in the previous version of the specification, which is a RFC, has been raised previously. The points that can be made are: (a) Is the specification impossible to implement due to technical or clarity issues? (b) Does the proposal have technical flaws? (c) Does it conform to IAB architecture? (d) Does it have broken ABNF, XML, etc? The question is whether it is worth reviewing a -bis draft when issues will be addressed by "already in RFC" [1]. Feedback about this is welcome. Thanks, -sm 1. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg01084.html From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Wed May 8 00:54:27 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C024E21F882A for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 00:54:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lXShzsfcFkVh for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 00:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A56321F8746 for ; Wed, 8 May 2013 00:54:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: internal info suppressed Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 09:53:56 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@mac-allocchio3.elettra.trieste.it To: SM In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130507224351.0b97e990@resistor.net> Message-ID: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130428233426.0b62fed0@elandnews.com> <20130430083206.GD46852@elstar.local> <20130502074157.GA4935@elstar.local> <6.2.5.6.2.20130507224351.0b97e990@resistor.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1367999637; bh=LIT+TVCEx9nRzXo9mUdLlBqRsWfINe2czp8H/fy/5sI=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=JeXQKElv0Uf4JsxpZ1OeQJmbsJSHz5MqKOb43lS+jhc6skBQJ5QEtR62UCCvwJJHh nziWeHrPXtcFGjVgw7V4Iw+PRUTFzCFfbPncUZBh1dP+b1LEY4jbcPqypprLAwH+TJ nNn60gbyTIb0sOMpO4TQyckVHFIQWhG7YVpAyEhE= Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Changes to published RFC text (was: [Fwd: APPSDIR review of draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6021-bis-01) X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 07:54:27 -0000 On Tue, 7 May 2013, SM wrote: > Hello, > At 00:41 02-05-2013, Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote: >> But most of the definitions are not new and I am reluctant to make >> changes to published RFC text. ... the only clean solution I can imagine when there are such isses in an already published and deployed work is not the review of an updated document... but a discussion (see SM's points below) is it is worth to witdraw ("deprecate") the existing document and start a completely new (and fixed) specification. But "deprecating" a document is not in the AppsDir scope, even if we can make helpful comments. > > The argument that text was already in the previous version of the > specification, which is a RFC, has been raised previously. > > The points that can be made are: > > (a) Is the specification impossible to implement due to technical or clarity > issues? > > (b) Does the proposal have technical flaws? > > (c) Does it conform to IAB architecture? > > (d) Does it have broken ABNF, XML, etc? > > The question is whether it is worth reviewing a -bis draft when issues will > be addressed by "already in RFC" [1]. Feedback about this is welcome. I would not make the review, and in case suggest that there are major issues we see in the already existing document, thus we suggest the ADs and the IESG some thinking about it. > Thanks, > -sm > > 1. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg01084.html > > > _______________________________________________ > appsdir mailing list > appsdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/appsdir > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From sm@elandsys.com Wed May 8 03:44:10 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5CCE21F91B8; Wed, 8 May 2013 03:44:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id punltYPdEiEY; Wed, 8 May 2013 03:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA8D21F91B0; Wed, 8 May 2013 03:44:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.145.230]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r48AhZdI007984 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 May 2013 03:43:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1368009828; bh=EJ7/6l+hV0iuC0kj+EvCPbl9yv/6atyRr3ssDz1Q2ek=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=h0qZxjzGXT8lwrhaVg6+qfv53+hTC/IlyWkeV/usBRB+TH2axG11B4+WEfVeNNRc3 bZriYOFabEgcW4c08huH8YfismUfLXkvgTLejvRCJQwAlc0Giaweq8pkOC3SPACCbb phHIP9q2DruNNsOYqllu/+dt0F95ezdIk2G429EA= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1368009828; i=@elandsys.com; bh=EJ7/6l+hV0iuC0kj+EvCPbl9yv/6atyRr3ssDz1Q2ek=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=igqDpcNUaifKjkNZA3EYqgW/criVlKRl7Yk8rcQzNbMRI7qz3XMIwDRKJGEuNbUxl hoFyjH1M2eGmU34oArP418M5u6RCiae4JgqdtnusId2oMVh2urSiXPKjVcJs5vJSJk kFsKYaL+F2BT3LN7Z9ta5YoJYAxsQ/YTPKrcw3Ho= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130508021335.0b8a83d0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 03:42:49 -0700 To: apps-discuss@ietf.org From: S Moonesamy In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 May 2013 03:46:27 -0700 Cc: Claudio Allocchio Subject: Re: [appsdir] Applications Area Directorate team leader X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 10:44:10 -0000 Hello, I would like to congratulate Claudio Allocchio,=20 the new Applications Area Directorate Team=20 Lead. Claudio has been on the directorate since=20 a few years. He performed the most difficult=20 AppsDir review. In my opinion it is in the=20 interest of the directorate to have a new team=20 lead who can bring in new ideas and ensure continuity. I would like to thank Barry and Pete for their=20 support. I'll add a special thanks to Alexey and=20 Peter who have both been a tremendous help in=20 getting the directorate started and making it work. I got to appreciate the finer qualities of each=20 member of the directorate over the last few=20 years. I am indebted to the following persons=20 for volunteering their time and effort as members of the directorate: Carsten Bormann Tim Bray Eric Burger Dave Cridland Dave Crocker Martin D=FCrst Tobias Gondrom Bert Greevenbosch Vijay Gurbani Ted Hardie John Klensin Murray S. Kucherawy Yves Lafon Eliot Lear Salvatore Loreto Enrico Marocco Larry Masinter Mark Nottingham Ray Polk Julian Reschke Henry S. Thompson Martin Thomson He Xuan Jiankang Yao Joseph Yee Yoshiro Yoneya It has been a pleasure working with you. Regards, S. Moonesamy From martin.thomson@skype.net Wed May 8 14:06:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C74F621F8644; Wed, 8 May 2013 14:06:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zqp2AeTbdONH; Wed, 8 May 2013 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bl2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bl2lp0207.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.163.207]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5457721F8607; Wed, 8 May 2013 14:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BN1BFFO11FD009.protection.gbl (10.58.52.200) by BN1AFFO11HUB005.protection.gbl (10.58.52.115) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.687.1; Wed, 8 May 2013 21:05:53 +0000 Received: from TK5EX14HUBC103.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (131.107.125.37) by BN1BFFO11FD009.mail.protection.outlook.com (10.58.53.69) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.687.1 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 8 May 2013 21:05:52 +0000 Received: from TK5EX14MBXC254.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([169.254.2.16]) by TK5EX14HUBC103.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.86.9]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.003; Wed, 8 May 2013 21:05:41 +0000 From: Martin Thomson To: "Henry S. Thompson" , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location.all@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Appsdir review of draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location Thread-Index: AQHOO3y3PLzt3OUwWkqUnTDtH/frFZj7sbzw Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 21:05:39 +0000 Message-ID: <88EA7D224AA4F24F9D7628368F7572A911BE62E0@TK5EX14MBXC254.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [157.54.51.72] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:131.107.125.37; CTRY:US; IPV:CAL; IPV:NLI; EFV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(51704005)(51444003)(51914003)(189002)(199002)(74662001)(46406003)(76482001)(53806001)(79102001)(47446002)(65816001)(77982001)(66066001)(81342001)(81542001)(74876001)(80022001)(54356001)(31966008)(59766001)(6806003)(4396001)(47736001)(56776001)(54316002)(63696002)(47776003)(69226001)(20776003)(50986001)(16406001)(47976001)(74502001)(23726002)(49866001)(50466002)(74706001)(55846006)(51856001)(74366001)(56816002)(46102001)(33656001); DIR:OUT; SFP:; SCL:1; SRVR:BN1AFFO11HUB005; H:TK5EX14HUBC103.redmond.corp.microsoft.com; RD:InfoDomainNonexistent; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com X-Forefront-PRVS: 084080FC15 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 08 May 2013 14:13:31 -0700 Cc: "appsdir@ietf.org" , "iesg@ietf.org" , Brian Rosen Subject: Re: [appsdir] Appsdir review of draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 May 2013 21:06:06 -0000 Hi Henry, Thanks for the review. I apologize for the delay in responding to your ema= il. I can't update the draft to address your concerns, but I'll work with Brian= to ensure that the changes happen. > From: Henry S. Thompson [mailto:ht@inf.ed.ac.uk] > Minor Issues: >=20 > 3 The use of the phrases '"baseline" location' and '"reference" > location' to mean the same thing (?) is confusing in the extreme > (as is the fact that sometimes the phrase includes scare-quotes, > but sometimes not). >=20 > For example, in the following, what is meant to be the difference > between the two highlighted phrases? >=20 > "In particular, while it is possible to put all location > information into the 'reference' location (leaving an > ^^^^^^^^^ > universally broad 'baseline'), location objects SHOULD NOT have > all location information in the baseline location. Doing this > ^^^^^^^^ > would cause clients that do not understand relative location to > incorrectly interpret the baseline location (i.e., the > reference point) as the actual, precise location of the > client." >=20 > Furthermore wrt this passage, either I'm confused, or there's a > mistake at the second highlighted point. I was expecting > "relative", not "baseline" (or "reference"). After all, if all the > information is in the baseline, then there is no information in the > relative part, and so not processing it misses nothing??? >=20 > Ah, repeated re-readings have uncovered the origin of the problem, > further back: >=20 > "A client that does understand this extension will interpret the > location within the relative element as a refinement of the > baseline location, which gives the reference location for the > relative offset." >=20 > I read that the first five times as if it were bracketed like this: >=20 > [a refinement of [the baseline location, which gives the > reference location for the relative offset]]. >=20 > But you mean it as if it were bracketed like this: >=20 > [a refinement of the baseline location], [which gives the > reference location for the relative offset]. >=20 > So, I suggest you rephrase the whole sentence along the following > lines: >=20 > "A client that does understand this extension will interpret the > location within the relative element as a refinement of the > baseline location. The resulting refined location then gives > the reference location for the relative offset." >=20 > With that change, the paragraph containing the first quote above > (the para beginning "The baseline location SHOULD be general > enough") is comprehensible, but still very dense. I know > illustrations are hard when one is restricted to ASCII-art, but a > pair of examples would be a great help here, where one obeys the > rules, and is not understood wrongly by a non-extension-supporting > app, but the other breaks the rules, and therefore liable to be > interpreted wrongly by such an app. >=20 > And, finally, perhaps just _after_ the example now at the end of > this section, just a brief gloss along the lines of >=20 > The baseline location, given by the first ca:civicAddress element, > the first child of the gp:location-info, is a street address, to > the level of detail of the house number (123). The reference > location is [now the front door, something else if you fix the 5.1 > issue below]. The actual location, which is still within the > baseline building, is a point 100m east and 50m north [?] of the > front door. Oh. That's a bigger issue than you make out. Baseline !=3D reference. Imagine if locations were boxes. A baseline location is a big box. A refe= rence location is a small box inside the big box. A relative location is a= nother small box inside the big box. To people that don't know this refere= nce/relative stuff, they just see the big box. I think that Brian and I will have to sit down and make some edits. Your f= eedback will make that easier. > 4.11.1 >=20 > "An 'http:' or 'https:' URL MUST be used unless . . ." >=20 > Wouldn't it be more in the spirit of 2119 to say "A URI with scheme > other than 'http:' or 'https:' SHOULD NOT be used unless" ? "SHOULD" is a weasel-word that SHOULD be avoided. I like to reserve SHOULD= for cases where I am not providing a clear description of the exception ca= ses. Most times, MUST works perfectly well if properly qualified. As I be= lieve this is. > 5.1 Civic PIDF with Polygon Offset [also at end of section 3] >=20 > This example uses the ca:INT element, which as far as I can tell is > only defined in the expired draft-rosen-geopriv-pidf-interior [1]. Yes, that does need to go. We aren't pursuing that particular solution any= more. Those elements can just be eliminated. > 5.2 Geo PIDF with Circle Offset >=20 > Once the cut-and-paste error identified below in the 'Nits' section > is fixed, the result has 4 schema-validity errors, all of which I > presume should be straightforward to correct[[MT]] ... Brian, please fix these. > Nits: >=20 > 5.1, 5.2 [examples] >=20 > These examples rely on schema documents which require moderately > tedious indirection via the XML registry [2] to find -- it would be > helpful if the references section at least included the relevant > RFCs, at least 3863, 4479 and 5139. Please accept my apologies. These are all indirectly referenced, but we ca= n tighten that up. > 6. Schema Definition >=20 > The repeated pattern used for complex type definition in this schema > doc is[[MT]] ... > This is overly . . . complex and invites confusion, [[MT]] ... > Please simplify all your complex type definitions along these lines. I'm going to hold the line on this point. XML Schema defines two ways to d= o the same thing and this draft consistently uses the form that permits oth= er uses than complex type restrictions of the ur-type. I see no good reaso= n to switch to the syntactic sugar variant. From sm@elandsys.com Fri May 10 10:02:41 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744C621F850E for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KI8+tdvdWUvi for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACBA721F84D4 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 10:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.226.235.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4AH2Kl5007280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 May 2013 10:02:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1368205352; bh=bDW+bDkRyS4JGP9uJEFYWGT73vxJNGwh4T62D7N0S6Y=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=xGzv7BdEEALFle9/yfE+YiM8kFmsCvSc7otzgI41m8VF2/XwJqn3LFJgaLOMp3iby fyRFBt97bGIDVHriXCyPB6TWEjN6eS6u/AZ51xJEin0XO6iUB6qL8zbVMLbvZz7nv9 UpWUmpp6jtPh4XDI+biPs7W2uFhsgS14mtO2yPBY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1368205352; i=@elandsys.com; bh=bDW+bDkRyS4JGP9uJEFYWGT73vxJNGwh4T62D7N0S6Y=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=xujmab0oq4fYwSZgozaoRui9N5XLgwOiJBmuR2ZuCfyflj+QFqhcp0LvkgBqT/GH8 awlBxWmaSNO3jslbPORQfTycAQxhznLx8hsF6ZM7S/qTyMmxKTQ3hYZQ3+PNRt05Po wEmy4x/xGszt/4hn/n8vh3IhjtbO7KwL1OdYOVhU= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130510091744.0c5c6c00@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 09:50:21 -0700 To: Claudio Allocchio From: SM In-Reply-To: References: <5182AD0F.4010204@gmx.net> <9AB65B31-4C42-4A33-AE74-E24AFA284A66@piuha.net> <5182EFA3.30400@dcrocker.net> <51896896.80706@stpeter.im> <518A15E3.7040707@rfc-editor.org> <518B5F0D.4070802@wonderhamster.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, Jari Arkko Subject: Re: [appsdir] ways forward with the tail-heavy aspects of the IETF process X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 17:02:41 -0000 Hi Claudio, At 05:07 10-05-2013, Jari Arkko wrote: >2. Moving some directorate reviews earlier, to WG last call time as >opposed to IETF last call or IESG review. With the intent of not >increasing the number of reviews. I suggest having AppsDir review drafts in "Publication Requested" state. > the IESG and affected parties on the details. One obvious question > is how various directorates feel about the changes, and how we > avoid increasing workload for them. There may be a slight increase in the number of reviews. It has occasionally been mentioned that some drafts in "Publication Requested" state are not ready for external review. I suggest discussing the case with the Apps ADs if it arises. Best regards, -sm From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Fri May 10 12:55:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4E8C21F8D7A for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:55:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pTDNmTbmVT8g for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 921B921F8605 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 12:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: internal info suppressed Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 21:55:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@mac-allocchio3.garrtest.units.it To: SM In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130510091744.0c5c6c00@resistor.net> Message-ID: References: <5182AD0F.4010204@gmx.net> <9AB65B31-4C42-4A33-AE74-E24AFA284A66@piuha.net> <5182EFA3.30400@dcrocker.net> <51896896.80706@stpeter.im> <518A15E3.7040707@rfc-editor.org> <518B5F0D.4070802@wonderhamster.org> <6.2.5.6.2.20130510091744.0c5c6c00@resistor.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1368215723; bh=U6Jw01VuEM4ek/MMXK41TGXTyS34/2QX/9quHZffSPo=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=VmuhuAGDiaQAoi5Hotan8PDuTr+DwBtjLVjHthReSmjHfNsWPUUZc5pzEHpWV8BWl vgauV+d7kCRV2Msa4yMqPAqOwRTzEvGrhsjzpjMFigZUffaD+noDxPjDxp3fqTDVrE 0ILvNuSAvTR+xBPHFGEN5Q+UAzDEPlxKbgPB7WxM= Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, Jari Arkko , Claudio Allocchio Subject: Re: [appsdir] ways forward with the tail-heavy aspects of the IETF process X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 19:55:56 -0000 On Fri, 10 May 2013, SM wrote: > Hi Claudio, > At 05:07 10-05-2013, Jari Arkko wrote: >> 2. Moving some directorate reviews earlier, to WG last call time as opposed >> to IETF last call or IESG review. With the intent of not increasing the >> number of reviews. > > I suggest having AppsDir review drafts in "Publication Requested" state. in WG Last Call there is still a quite high chance that the document will be revised by the WG itself, thus I agree with SM: at least "Publication Request" state. >> the IESG and affected parties on the details. One obvious question is how >> various directorates feel about the changes, and how we avoid increasing >> workload for them. > > There may be a slight increase in the number of reviews. It has occasionally > been mentioned that some drafts in "Publication Requested" state are not > ready for external review. I suggest discussing the case with the Apps ADs > if it arises. We might introduce in the process the idea that when we detect a document in Publication Request state, we first confirm with the WG chair(s) that it is ready for review, and default for no answer (!?!!) is "go ahead". > > Best regards, > -sm > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From sm@elandsys.com Fri May 10 14:06:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D35A21F85C0 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jqAp4S3j9fS1 for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:06:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21B6E21F85CC for ; Fri, 10 May 2013 14:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.226.235.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4AL5psQ021070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 10 May 2013 14:06:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1368219962; bh=DYYGOB6JM9y0GJaWAP3oF2+mAAXVb+aG1zWmqVhIqdQ=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=NV1fu37sMecGoF/qaLWYbkhEtBLOmc9ShaYlsH1FjZ+zgucMvQ4S8GLZaX+ks+dav 7RqF0cZXiDxt1nV759aD1c5vW3f/hynhnXyTAA36wmkjMbORpmXf9yPEHQpXg4nMWv KxNMTX/+GTJOvzqggm2pOKb18Aksac9sY8Mqsan0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1368219962; i=@elandsys.com; bh=DYYGOB6JM9y0GJaWAP3oF2+mAAXVb+aG1zWmqVhIqdQ=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=Arg7fGOszMw5I3btfSV9zyp/btTL06OFCb7b88j11GrhTli+LDrHZqtvzbQumdEds Ke5Jo+hLkQ8njhTekle604sG75odc8UY6oT+FNgjIT0TDcFLklKait05avG0ea7RuW D1mH/qQh3BDg0vkNdlJcTHDUaoWN0D3B7qq4JXdA= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130510130040.0d827e80@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 13:59:34 -0700 To: Claudio Allocchio From: SM In-Reply-To: References: <5182AD0F.4010204@gmx.net> <9AB65B31-4C42-4A33-AE74-E24AFA284A66@piuha.net> <5182EFA3.30400@dcrocker.net> <51896896.80706@stpeter.im> <518A15E3.7040707@rfc-editor.org> <518B5F0D.4070802@wonderhamster.org> <6.2.5.6.2.20130510091744.0c5c6c00@resistor.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] ways forward with the tail-heavy aspects of the IETF process X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 21:06:16 -0000 Hi Claudio, I removed Jari to decrease his mail traffic. At 12:55 10-05-2013, Claudio Allocchio wrote: >in WG Last Call there is still a quite high chance that the document >will be revised by the WG itself, thus I agree with SM: at least >"Publication Request" state. You still have the "review requested" option during WG Last Call where the WG Chairs or AD can ask for an early review. AD requests are given priority. You can make the call for WG Chair requests; i.e. look at reviewer workload, the document looks ready for review, the WG Chair needs some help. >We might introduce in the process the idea that when we detect a >document in Publication Request state, we first confirm with the WG >chair(s) that it is ready for review, and default for no answer >(!?!!) is "go ahead". I read "Publication Request" state as "WG Chair thinks that the draft is ready for review". You could send a message and follow up on it if the draft seems problematic [1]. Best regards, -sm 1. http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00993.html From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Thu May 16 14:16:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF4E711E80B8 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:16:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LmT-3004DrOs for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:16:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BDD11E80AE for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:16:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: internal info suppressed Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:15:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@webcam1-all.garrtest.units.it To: appsdir@ietf.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1368738951; bh=uyh+i9QddqqOMYDSZ/vnAHGCY4HvYTkVobzyUW56jKw=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject; b=FA5K71bMk0zfU7dwV/nqOaAmbUjt2zyrx+lmFsh32FVM1G3mh40pyScocuzLgzzv0 CQGFHEQLy4t+/Wkmm2FhQvSCuGrQx9vS2vgCiNLIEmy7exWudmfJaLA7FtHt0M99pf F5ANl3Ow1BrUivVckV6wwmTZRekxsB0LdaM90juM= Cc: SM Subject: [appsdir] Requests for Drafts Review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:16:12 -0000 Hello all, together with the ADs, we identified the following 2 documents for an AppsDir review: - draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-09 - draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-10 is there any volunteer to pick up the review task first, before I make explicit assingment proposals? Let me know ASAP ! thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From stpeter@stpeter.im Thu May 16 14:20:12 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B329D21F8A4E for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:20:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s+2G9Fm75h-9 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E096A21F8A14 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:20:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ergon.local (unknown [128.107.239.234]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C795841116 for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 15:32:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <51954D82.2040600@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 15:20:02 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: appsdir@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.5.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [appsdir] Requests for Drafts Review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:20:12 -0000 On 5/16/13 3:15 PM, Claudio Allocchio wrote: > > Hello all, > > together with the ADs, we identified the following 2 documents for an > AppsDir review: > > - draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-09 > > - draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-10 > > is there any volunteer to pick up the review task first, before I make > explicit assingment proposals? I can review draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Thu May 16 14:23:55 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA21811E80DC for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:23:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m8plPWHZQ35Z for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F54321F89EB for ; Thu, 16 May 2013 14:23:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: internal info suppressed Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 23:23:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@synx02.dir.garr.it To: Peter Saint-Andre In-Reply-To: <51954D82.2040600@stpeter.im> Message-ID: References: <51954D82.2040600@stpeter.im> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1368739427; bh=NNrTA73mFXiuaKD6ljpxiPbwnAbpCkyZ+8dGNTT5vAc=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=l/V4KQDWUL6pf30PIfoNFhRNsg8rv+DIvdpQSi14XR7Jbx0+/E5b4RWJOk60tDMJT b50H1vzEhMqLV5aMgEGQxP5vwxRMWRu+e7SNvqfMkFlqC4sgQiGABLIYHPCooF3HZJ 2bgfX3A0yvOpiYX/0p/kibwYQWbVTdwXinkgkO/s= Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Requests for Drafts Review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 May 2013 21:23:55 -0000 > I can review draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui. OK, thanks Peter! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Fri May 17 05:02:39 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E23A21F9180 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 05:02:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QnrQuB6+2Rec for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 05:02:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3ED221F9128 for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 05:02:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: internal info suppressed Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 14:02:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@synx02.dir.garr.it To: Peter Saint-Andre , Carsten Bormann Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1368792136; bh=GVp/IxeXb18ixUq1VIszTLNxzJd27fk1J0AM0+8lUGs=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject; b=tB/1zyx+7Vd1gvIxc1rP7Py7PUjN0jqk7aAGruEeNCIggPMoWccgyWy+3qaYsaVug pyt5u6i9eMkfep0v+TY6W5vZXb4cCGWijy0PdqZchw6SIh23Yj4oTSIyAXUVcR1v15 Z5Csg2OQV7zh/nUjukhxI6F5wNLeXb6/3m+98Tdg= Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, SM Subject: [appsdir] Request for AppsDir Review - update X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:02:39 -0000 Hello all, all documents are on IESG telechat next week, thus due date is short (sorry about this, during the takeover period!); we need reviews back by EOB May 28th. - draft-ietf-cuss-sip-uui-10 Peter Saint-Andre will do it, thanks Peter! - draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-09 assigned to Carsten Bormann, please ACK! After a further check with the ADs we discovered that we also have 2 NFS related documents which are on the same telechat but which were not reviewd (or not completely reviewd) before: - draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc3530bis-26 - draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc3530bis-dot-x-17 ... apparently we should look for some NFS expert in out team, we have none. draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc3530bis-26 is a long specification (only section 12 - internationalization - was already revised), thus it's going to be a hard task (also because of short time left). Any quick volunteer at least for a quick review of these NFS drafts? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Fri May 17 05:13:43 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A03221F8E8E for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 05:13:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.719 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.719 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TeXdkT2JD23Z for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 05:13:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D430F21F8E4E for ; Fri, 17 May 2013 05:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: internal info suppressed Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 14:12:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@synx02.dir.garr.it To: xhe@hitachi.cn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1368792780; bh=x0IaJiw0Yt0wEhPcnVl+nt4h+OAKyaogXsO1halpBc0=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=kCK1Tw/sAabZGAu7BZ81M3/kt4wH7Pq98wEjyjqGGHRnPKM12eSzAne9PMlKhOpe3 WjLyLnPkPvwy7cRay+cqAiIH3YsMVgt2VlvUQv0K+D/m4abrwhd+JU2c6G3BQc2mbv My2fqBjzOEOZyTMrwG95H8giPU9ltztyBlaGOQJ4= Cc: Carsten Bormann , appsdir@ietf.org, xhe@hitachi.cn, Peter Saint-Andre , SM Subject: Re: [appsdir] Request for AppsDir Review - update X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 12:13:44 -0000 On Fri, 17 May 2013, Claudio Allocchio wrote: > - draft-ietf-softwire-public-4over6-09 > assigned to Carsten Bormann, please ACK! Carsten cannot make it, thus I ask He Xuan to make this review. Please ACK. thanks! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From sm@elandsys.com Sun May 19 23:07:03 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 794C321F8FA5 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 23:07:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.077 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.077 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.322, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PDWmmPsTeM+7 for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 23:07:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38CA421F8F9E for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 23:07:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.135.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4K66FDk008664 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 19 May 2013 23:06:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1369029989; bh=otX/ALQNTO5nb8706rwulQmPwLctYfLpy+Q87k9S0lA=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=C1IQiRT5PlVPb/C+vvqJynJoU9dZE0fUcfO4cK75U8r8wNQE690mMMSad6EJzIdws AG/+ducl+pxt4Si5ZSQI4BqeyQKMJ8/B9IHOvYkW4jtqgUHKRWoNj5EvVkdBHn0IFI TNg2FHHfvgdho8x8MRHbI9hoYvppBSuashrrWsr8= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1369029989; i=@elandsys.com; bh=otX/ALQNTO5nb8706rwulQmPwLctYfLpy+Q87k9S0lA=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=qo8zpFCj4+3drBNymkWsllfbnnHhFE42u5MoRai14iTBPslKwL/6QpMGS1Qq04FU9 c/90Imb4VluG5MZa1IM2M4qX4hxPE/17nEjazaqz72Dmv0uvn9/Z/lejlFvEFlMyXN cIHean958EJ/g3mno5/ukFQtcpr7h5OmlSBNQnSI= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130519230423.0ce4b770@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Sun, 19 May 2013 23:05:47 -0700 To: He Xuan , Claudio Allocchio From: SM In-Reply-To: <009501ce54f9$16f0e900$44d2bb00$@cn> References: <009501ce54f9$16f0e900$44d2bb00$@cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIFJlcXVlc3QgZm9yIEFwcHNEaXIgUmV2aWV3?= =?gb2312?b?IC0gdXBkYXRl?= X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 06:07:03 -0000 Hi He Xuan, At 18:26 19-05-2013, He Xuan wrote: >OK, I'll make this one. I'll volunteer for doing a joint review with you. Best regards, -sm From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Sun May 19 23:14:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F1A021F8FDF for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 23:14:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.704 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.704 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.423, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SARE_SUB_ENC_GB2312=1.345] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NhLkXRTzYpic for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 23:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6617121F8FDC for ; Sun, 19 May 2013 23:14:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: internal info suppressed Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 08:13:49 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@mac-allocchio3.garrtest.units.it To: SM In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130519230423.0ce4b770@elandnews.com> Message-ID: References: <009501ce54f9$16f0e900$44d2bb00$@cn> <6.2.5.6.2.20130519230423.0ce4b770@elandnews.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1369030429; bh=rM5E30T3s8ShiHlD6SbL+O9ISAU5UVkXMTBnPWIT9lg=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=lMleH2uY7RAsstgA61yBx66DxukI60OeFvh2Uy2k8yKcAY0AuKMxsiZUeUn5nY+I8 6ua7Su4YJAZsY+uil64tjJo9B+7TSdkVGfy+kPcNm8GnjyPsVvTMdv0WJPsLov4K0+ I3fRqL7/MiNA7q9YRTQ4bjGIc9vcvk9NxLsHKTHs= Cc: He Xuan , appsdir@ietf.org, Claudio Allocchio Subject: Re: [appsdir] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIFJlcXVlc3QgZm9yIEFwcHNEaXIgUmV2aWV3?= =?gb2312?b?IC0gdXBkYXRl?= X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 06:14:18 -0000 On Sun, 19 May 2013, SM wrote: > Hi He Xuan, > At 18:26 19-05-2013, He Xuan wrote: >> OK, I'll make this one. > > I'll volunteer for doing a joint review with you. thank you SM for this! > > Best regards, > -sm > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From sm@elandsys.com Wed May 22 01:41:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5FF421F9579 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 01:41:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.376 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.376 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.223, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RsSynwwiGi49 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 01:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 518C921F94F5 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 01:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([197.224.156.29]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r4M8edqV001630 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 22 May 2013 01:40:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1369212052; bh=C5zAimvAt3+9eciTfeDz3bNdbLYeMFuid4yqHlgsgRE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=zx7lbo3wgUrnlroNtscICfuYklUA8XHT5J+hZIkKOPclqsyPg1e3bpamrAyuSh+2o mzQ1Qo3xn9UUGEhU072ifaBtNI0q1E0Ym+xXjRsY8aJAE83u6Kp0uxA7fcBrDn9vRq B6bakAM97dE8T70hbAETn0l2x87Nk9UJzz1PYeq0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1369212052; i=@elandsys.com; bh=C5zAimvAt3+9eciTfeDz3bNdbLYeMFuid4yqHlgsgRE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=r3O3hd+wKV/6wwmQ4ANSh2lWOzWBCHf29FIg7fybhEOSxKtkCYybWWCfTQLQGVLpj RiEOzbsAtOfczREP+x6DWrDQw0qcJs/0RxOazkDL/ug76BHgTScC8VsuXSF5IDSIF3 fQp4ONeI/SZeUsOx9g5ot4PEykH1Qt3o4CcpQP+I= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20130522012427.0b88ea10@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 01:39:19 -0700 To: Claudio Allocchio From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: [appsdir] Requesting review of draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:41:20 -0000 Hi Claudio, [Cc to appsdir as it is easier] I would like to request an AppsDir review of draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-04. The WGLC has ended and the document is stable. Best regards, -sm From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Wed May 22 01:48:24 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEDBE21F9606 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 01:48:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.484, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lCUUUbn9KS+W for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 01:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48CFD21F9593 for ; Wed, 22 May 2013 01:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: internal info suppressed Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 10:47:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@synx02.dir.garr.it To: SM In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20130522012427.0b88ea10@elandnews.com> Message-ID: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20130522012427.0b88ea10@elandnews.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1369212474; bh=Tb7IBG81RobfB3clNXJeKVitOfvJGAUQtY2xWckQh5c=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References; b=NxA51H4sFwZrNTHZgBWVE2qArHRmRHV2ILc81VFlQqXHt//dRWrfmBhDbbBe3uqwO cF2ltFL9wFMy86qGtG7bFo2sjMNLyhTPVcFwTzutOjsz9RuCbLPE09Ax4H7g6TMFTH onW1im6rSaWjPQtFGsyOl2HQiIYdd7g0eI+QJhhA= Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, Claudio Allocchio Subject: Re: [appsdir] Requesting review of draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 08:48:24 -0000 sure! On Wed, 22 May 2013, SM wrote: > Hi Claudio, > > [Cc to appsdir as it is easier] > > I would like to request an AppsDir review of > draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-04. The WGLC has ended and the document is > stable. any volunteer? If not I'll assign it tomorrow. :-) > > Best regards, > -sm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Thu May 23 03:20:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22B3221F970C for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 03:20:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.373 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.373 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.346, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_IT=0.635, HOST_EQ_IT=1.245] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jj4F2Daw7k3X for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 03:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [193.206.158.29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 684BE21F92EB for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 03:20:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: internal info suppressed Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 12:20:03 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@mac-allocchio3.local To: Dave Crocker Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=garr.it; s=cyrus; t=1369304404; bh=JPU5w7kf2E1H4WSabTU0fem7Ex8RoWJWnyGF+i7gRDg=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject; b=mKtKCwCG08m8m7TUWL3Dy2TtSTxWgD4AnvuM/teq7sGllht1boaZJRilLbipz8GmO Ga91HpuzVeWyBj7jrYDXlhHnGfDxhu2G5ysIsIsi4qgV1lRoR+QlBNkUXh/VCW9vG3 eJ9OZss/QA+RFjjvF8O6m+ynMCGj7K3iavBmxIZQ= Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: [appsdir] Request for review of draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 10:20:18 -0000 Dave, could you please review draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-04 ? there is still not a telechat date, thus let's fix the review deadline for June 7th 2013. thanks indeed and please ACK. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 01:39:19 -0700 From: SM To: Claudio Allocchio Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Requesting review of draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-04 Hi Claudio, [Cc to appsdir as it is easier] I would like to request an AppsDir review of draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-04. The WGLC has ended and the document is stable. Best regards, -sm From dhc@dcrocker.net Thu May 23 07:04:56 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCD321F8FA3 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:04:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.082, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aztPFWgW6feH for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7992B21F8EB1 for ; Thu, 23 May 2013 07:04:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.66] (76-218-9-215.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [76.218.9.215]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id r4NE4QUn019097 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 23 May 2013 07:04:29 -0700 Message-ID: <519E21E7.6010105@dcrocker.net> Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 07:04:23 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130509 Thunderbird/17.0.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Claudio Allocchio References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.66]); Thu, 23 May 2013 07:04:30 -0700 (PDT) Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Request for review of draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 May 2013 14:04:56 -0000 On 5/23/2013 3:20 AM, Claudio Allocchio wrote: > could you please review draft-ietf-appsawg-rfc5451bis-04 ? ok. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From ht@inf.ed.ac.uk Tue May 28 02:10:16 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967E421F9345; Tue, 28 May 2013 02:10:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C3VB7guoTZxH; Tue, 28 May 2013 02:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk [129.215.16.102]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FCAD21F92E8; Tue, 28 May 2013 02:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from crunchie.inf.ed.ac.uk (crunchie.inf.ed.ac.uk [129.215.33.180]) by treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk (8.13.8/8.13.4) with ESMTP id r4S99p0X014278; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:09:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk (calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk [129.215.24.15]) by crunchie.inf.ed.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r4S99m3n016478; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:09:48 +0100 Received: from calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id r4S99oqM004679; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:09:50 +0100 Received: (from ht@localhost) by calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id r4S99nH4004675; Tue, 28 May 2013 10:09:49 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: calexico.inf.ed.ac.uk: ht set sender to ht@inf.ed.ac.uk using -f To: Martin Thomson References: <88EA7D224AA4F24F9D7628368F7572A911BE62E0@TK5EX14MBXC254.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> From: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk (Henry S. Thompson) Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 10:09:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <88EA7D224AA4F24F9D7628368F7572A911BE62E0@TK5EX14MBXC254.redmond.corp.microsoft.com> (Martin Thomson's message of "Wed\, 8 May 2013 21\:05\:39 +0000") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.101 (Gnus v5.10.10) XEmacs/21.5-b32 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Edinburgh-Scanned: at treacle.ucs.ed.ac.uk with MIMEDefang 2.60, Sophie, Sophos Anti-Virus, Clam AntiVirus X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.60 on 129.215.16.102 Cc: "draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location.all@tools.ietf.org" , "appsdir@ietf.org" , "iesg@ietf.org" , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" , Brian Rosen Subject: Re: [appsdir] Appsdir review of draft-ietf-geopriv-relative-location X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 May 2013 09:10:16 -0000 Martin Thomson writes: > HST wrote: >> Ah, repeated re-readings have uncovered the origin of the problem, >> further back: >> >> "A client that does understand this extension will interpret the >> location within the relative element as a refinement of the >> baseline location, which gives the reference location for the >> relative offset." >> >> I read that the first five times as if it were bracketed like this: >> >> [a refinement of [the baseline location, which gives the >> reference location for the relative offset]]. >> >> But you mean it as if it were bracketed like this: >> >> [a refinement of the baseline location], [which gives the >> reference location for the relative offset]. >> >> So, I suggest you rephrase the whole sentence along the following >> lines: >> >> "A client that does understand this extension will interpret the >> location within the relative element as a refinement of the >> baseline location. The resulting refined location then gives >> the reference location for the relative offset." >> >> With that change, the paragraph containing the first quote above >> (the para beginning "The baseline location SHOULD be general >> enough") is comprehensible, but still very dense. I know >> illustrations are hard when one is restricted to ASCII-art, but a >> pair of examples would be a great help here, where one obeys the >> rules, and is not understood wrongly by a non-extension-supporting >> app, but the other breaks the rules, and therefore liable to be >> interpreted wrongly by such an app. >> >> And, finally, perhaps just _after_ the example now at the end of >> this section, just a brief gloss along the lines of >> >> The baseline location, given by the first ca:civicAddress element, >> the first child of the gp:location-info, is a street address, to >> the level of detail of the house number (123). The reference >> location is [now the front door, something else if you fix the 5.1 >> issue below]. The actual location, which is still within the >> baseline building, is a point 100m east and 50m north [?] of the >> front door. > > Oh. That's a bigger issue than you make out. Baseline != reference. Indeed. As I tried to explain above, I _finally_ figured that out, but the text doesn't make it easy. That's why I suggested a diagram. >> 4.11.1 >> >> "An 'http:' or 'https:' URL MUST be used unless . . ." >> >> Wouldn't it be more in the spirit of 2119 to say "A URI with scheme >> other than 'http:' or 'https:' SHOULD NOT be used unless" ? > > "SHOULD" is a weasel-word that SHOULD be avoided. I like to reserve SHOULD for cases where I am not providing a clear description of the exception cases. Most times, MUST works perfectly well if properly qualified. As I believe this is. Your call. >> 6. Schema Definition >> >> The repeated pattern used for complex type definition in this schema >> doc is[[MT]] ... >> This is overly . . . complex and invites confusion, [[MT]] ... >> Please simplify all your complex type definitions along these lines. > > I'm going to hold the line on this point. XML Schema defines two > ways to do the same thing and this draft consistently uses the form > that permits other uses than complex type restrictions of the > ur-type. I see no good reason to switch to the syntactic sugar > variant. Your gun, your foot, your bullet. You will just cause people to scratch their heads and waste time trying to understand why you used 10 words where one would do. ht -- Henry S. Thompson, School of Informatics, University of Edinburgh 10 Crichton Street, Edinburgh EH8 9AB, SCOTLAND -- (44) 131 650-4440 Fax: (44) 131 650-4587, e-mail: ht@inf.ed.ac.uk URL: http://www.ltg.ed.ac.uk/~ht/ [mail from me _always_ has a .sig like this -- mail without it is forged spam]