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well... :-)

I think we did a very extensive review on this already, thus... any more 
answer I suggest we post directly during the last call :-)

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The IESG has received a request from the Applications Area Working Group
WG (appsawg) to consider the following document:
- 'A NULL MX Resource Record for Domains that Accept No Mail'
   <draft-ietf-appsawg-nullmx-05.txt> as Proposed Standard

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
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Abstract


    Internet mail determines the address of a receiving server through
    the DNS, first by looking for an MX record and then by looking for an
    A/AAAA record as a fallback.  Unfortunately this means that the A/
    AAAA record is taken to be mail server address even when that address
    does not accept mail.  The NULL MX RR formalizes the existing
    mechanism by which a domain announces that it accepts no mail, which
    permits significant operational efficiencies.




The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-appsawg-nullmx/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-appsawg-nullmx/ballot/


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An interesting discussion on the IESG list leads me to ask a question here:

Right now, the guidelines for where to send reviews say to send to:

    To: apps-discuss@ietf.org, 
draft-name-without-version-num.all@tools.ietf.org, 
working-group-mailing-list@ietf.org

and if it's in Last Call:

    Cc: iesg@ietf.org

What would you say if instead it was, "If in Last Call, cc 
ietf@ietf.org, unless you're uncomfortable doing so, in which case cc 
iesg@ietf.org"?

In other words, would you think it would be OK to default to sending to 
the main ietf list, only sending to iesg if you thought (for example) 
that the review would cause some ruckus on the ietf list and you'd 
rather not deal with that?

pr

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On Sat, 5 Jul 2014, Pete Resnick wrote:

> An interesting discussion on the IESG list leads me to ask a question here:
>
> Right now, the guidelines for where to send reviews say to send to:
>
>   To: apps-discuss@ietf.org, 
> draft-name-without-version-num.all@tools.ietf.org, 
> working-group-mailing-list@ietf.org
>
> and if it's in Last Call:
>
>   Cc: iesg@ietf.org
>
> What would you say if instead it was, "If in Last Call, cc ietf@ietf.org, 
> unless you're uncomfortable doing so, in which case cc iesg@ietf.org"?
>
> In other words, would you think it would be OK to default to sending to the 
> main ietf list, only sending to iesg if you thought (for example) that the 
> review would cause some ruckus on the ietf list and you'd rather not deal 
> with that?

Well, given the whole IESG acts on behalf of the whole IETF people, adding 
the large mailing list instead of the restricted IESG only is nothing 
wrong.

This will, somehow, expose also much more what the varius directorates do, 
which is positive... What I'm thinking about is the fact that the 
directorates are there to support the area ADs in their job, and thus the 
current version of the sugested addressing schema is in line with this (we 
advise directly the ADs and the whole other ADs), without botherting (to 
deal with) the whole IETF: in this situation we are the "proviate advisor" 
of the ADs... If we send reviews to the whole IETF, then we also advise 
the ADs, but we put a stronger accent on what we do, and somebody might 
think of this as a more "authoritative" opinion on a draft.

So, I do not have (yet) a strong opinion in favour or against...


all the best!
>
> pr
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Hi Pete,
At 13:25 05-07-2014, Pete Resnick wrote:
>An interesting discussion on the IESG list leads me to ask a question here:

[snip]

>What would you say if instead it was, "If in Last Call, cc 
>ietf@ietf.org, unless you're uncomfortable doing so, in which case 
>cc iesg@ietf.org"?
>
>In other words, would you think it would be OK to default to sending 
>to the main ietf list, only sending to iesg if you thought (for 
>example) that the review would cause some ruckus on the ietf list 
>and you'd rather not deal with that?

The ruckus is not a problem; it's the unpleasantness which is a 
disincentive.  I am okay with sending reviews to ietf@ietf.org 
instead of iesg@ietf.org.  I'll say let's try it if you think that it 
is a good idea.

Best regards,
-sm 


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On 5 July 2014 21:25, Pete Resnick <presnick@qti.qualcomm.com> wrote:

> What would you say if instead it was, "If in Last Call, cc ietf@ietf.org,
> unless you're uncomfortable doing so, in which case cc iesg@ietf.org"?
>

Do we really want to clutter that list with technical discussion?

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 5=
 July 2014 21:25, Pete Resnick <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:pres=
nick@qti.qualcomm.com" target=3D"_blank">presnick@qti.qualcomm.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">What would you say if instead it was, &quot;=
If in Last Call, cc <a href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">ietf=
@ietf.org</a>, unless you&#39;re uncomfortable doing so, in which case cc <=
a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">iesg@ietf.org</a>&quot;?<=
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</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Do we really want to clutter that list wit=
h technical discussion?=C2=A0</div></div></div></div>

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