From nobody Fri Oct 9 09:37:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietf.org Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E52203A0CE5; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 09:37:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.19.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: jsonpath@ietf.org Reply-To: iesg@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <160226145547.9767.4647999266778389722@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 09:37:35 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] WG Review: JSON Path (jsonpath) X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 16:37:36 -0000 A new IETF WG has been proposed in the Applications and Real-Time Area. The IESG has not made any determination yet. The following draft charter was submitted, and is provided for informational purposes only. Please send your comments to the IESG mailing list (iesg@ietf.org) by 2020-10-19. JSON Path (jsonpath) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Proposed WG Chairs: TBD Assigned Area Director: Murray Kucherawy Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: Barry Leiba Murray Kucherawy Mailing list: Address: jsonpath@ietf.org To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/jsonpath/ Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/jsonpath/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ JSONPath is a syntax, originally based on the XML "XPath" design, which selects fields and values from a JSON document. It is used in a variety of applications which rely on JSON message formats. JSONPath was originally described by Stefan Goessner [1] but has never had an official specification of any kind, and the 39+ implementations, while mostly compatible, differ in certain behaviors. Note that while JSON Pointer (RFC 6901) is already standardised, it is designed to provide a reference to a single, specific part of a JSON document, whereas JSONPath provides the ability to query a document and potentially return multiple values. The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification that is technically sound and complete, based on the common semantics and other aspects of existing implementations. Where there are differences, the working group will analyze those differences and make choices that rough consensus considers technically best, with an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different JSONPath implementations. Possible input documents are: * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath/ * https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/internet-draft/ [1] https://goessner.net/articles/JsonPath/ Milestones: Feb 2021 - Standards Track document defining JSON Path to the IESG From nobody Fri Oct 9 10:03:51 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietf.org Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A81F3A0D0C; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 10:03:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: superuser@gmail.com, jsonpath@ietf.org, jsonpath-chairs@ietf.org, avezza@amsl.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.19.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <160226302996.15657.11510927643373922258@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 10:03:49 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] jsonpath - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 17:03:50 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Amy K. Vezza, on behalf of the jsonpath working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: JSON Path Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Amy Vezza Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 40 Conflicts to Avoid: Technology Overlap: t2trg, core, httpbis, cbor, jmap, dispatch People who must be present: Murray Kucherawy Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Oct 9 12:52:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DC13A0CDC for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 12:52:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id htrW9sOVwkjQ for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 12:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x330.google.com (mail-wm1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 618FF3A151A for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 12:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x330.google.com with SMTP id f21so10919999wml.3 for ; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 12:52:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=/7nGgXLqEECz9KMolL2o0Xg1hsA/T3seYlKwCmM2+RM=; b=h4niTQLFVIubeY2RLAMyMjkwXZirBErsZOPcHUGePe09MfI8TT2ocb01dvKfPqUn0q rmT0xUSvxbhnUMmXsc5pQc1zxcpyNolkvreqFNjaEo4bnVKun+Cy3mVU9de+I81rjWo9 W/TzkXHGz1J9/+EaXyMRy+0aMujQhzW6AmEBTQyl4SGivLPkWkfc0uLF/KbD6M3aeHz9 VoEvVLVSIl9UNF3+s7M+4Uj0ldxnZmPHkOkEifC9mYy5GOtNHfd4yTR7xW4EmnWAS3lt TPY1CmV+oJbGvL8bKloeugogBycIukRzTzr9Jv0bzjagPwqgYu5hZyQakp2FdJc/O/xo GeLg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=/7nGgXLqEECz9KMolL2o0Xg1hsA/T3seYlKwCmM2+RM=; b=t/75I5MGF/ziLhJw25j1rcf3fNH/LKi8OJQVcKb+t+PZ4ORggQ9sq+AIfY+n91kOke XCoEs8+OoqL8sjc2vgahTcF0DQ7cbC4d01yprHXTrmBCvA+uJGEvG4wmoE8p+WVU2Sh0 eNk3wLPX1p4z9cz5VZx02KQLvvjvhLVE2or2HBqc3QuUZ+memE+ShoBQX5YG9F6er71k fIYXSVIV3/xuFAIltRjtB5erPZwW5tYuNUZz5D7aGfIsM12gnGOvqznBwGkxlWLJg37q agkILqhNIIEbJL4uVy0WIBDGyZ/SgW/jUuMXwQ0NAtS5iFY+yna6llEQJOCe2yZMwfXs UL5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532+X2mSftlu8VKiPcY8tr0ATDoJ8QKmMBJ8H3wf0x/XYzUphMvs rAp6fu+Y5JMOS71A89XVMMU3HPIxoo0OWkvS0YDQ9BEiJ1Pwlg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy8YQ9QMTVJaUZzbsoWAjAU5kk4NKHSptiEZruvmcbAQN8qtBydRJp7q3nMoRaKugHoCILIkLO7b6K5OjZbJ1o= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:bad7:: with SMTP id k206mr15453170wmf.159.1602273133114; Fri, 09 Oct 2020 12:52:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Daniel P Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 15:52:01 -0400 Message-ID: To: jsonpath@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Fields? X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 19:52:17 -0000 On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:00 PM wrote: > > Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ > > JSONPath is a syntax, originally based on the XML "XPath" design, > which selects fields and values from a JSON document. What is meant by "fields"? That term isn't mentioned in ECMA-404. JSONPath selects JSON values, and only JSON values. Daniel From nobody Fri Oct 9 13:11:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A552C3A1531 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 13:11:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OPCNt9IobvSa for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 13:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3B4D3A1530 for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 13:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p548dcc60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4C7K2q4Tr0zySV; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 22:11:15 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 22:11:15 +0200 Cc: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 623967075.143947-fc80ed54cda6f9f29bdb8be9c9448941 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Daniel P X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Fields? X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 20:11:20 -0000 Hi Daniel, > On 2020-10-09, at 21:52, Daniel P wrote: >=20 > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 3:00 PM wrote: >>=20 >> Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ >>=20 >> JSONPath is a syntax, originally based on the XML "XPath" design, >> which selects fields and values from a JSON document. >=20 > What is meant by "fields=E2=80=9D? Field is a Java term for what is called member in RFC 8259 (and, with a = bit more nuance, in C++, and a lot of other places). (ECMA 262 defines = field as the entry in its abstract Record type, which is similar.) > That term isn't mentioned in ECMA-404. Well, ECMA-404 doesn=E2=80=99t bother explaining what the syntax it = specifies is supposed to mean, so it doesn=E2=80=99t have a lot of use = for terms like =E2=80=9Cmember=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cfield=E2=80=9D. > JSONPath selects JSON values, and only JSON values. We could argue whether JSONPath only selects the value or maybe also the = position of the value in the tree. The latter is useful, for instance, = for then replacing the value at that position with a different value. 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X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 21:05:02 -0000 > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 4:11 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: > > On 2020-10-09, at 21:52, Daniel P wrote: > > > Field is a Java term for what is called member in RFC 8259 (and, with a b= it more nuance, in C++, and a lot of other places). > (ECMA 262 defines field as the entry in its abstract Record type, which i= s similar.) > > > That term isn't mentioned in ECMA-404. > > Well, ECMA-404 doesn=E2=80=99t bother explaining what the syntax it speci= fies is > supposed to mean, so it doesn=E2=80=99t have a lot of use for terms > like =E2=80=9Cmember=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cfield=E2=80=9D. > ECMA-404 uses "name/value pair", which is what I understand the term "member" to mean (Douglas Crockford uses "member"). > > JSONPath selects JSON values, and only JSON values. > > We could argue whether JSONPath only selects the value or maybe also the > position of the value in the tree. Yes, assuming by position you mean a normalized JSONPath expression, as an alternative to returning values. But regarding "members" or "name/value pairs", no JSONPath query returns these except as parts of a JSON object, which is a JSON value. It's not like XQuery which can return results that are not an XML document. It seems to me that "selects JSON values from a JSON document", or if you l= ike, "selects JSON values or alternatively normalized JSONPath expressions", wou= ld suffice. 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X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 21:18:02 -0000 --0000000000008e60de05b1437bd5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, I think the "fields and values" language survives from my first draft, and when I reread it today I wondered why I had written that. Anyhow I don't think it's a problem in a practical sense. On Fri., Oct. 9, 2020, 2:05 p.m. Daniel P, wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 4:11 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > On 2020-10-09, at 21:52, Daniel P wrote: > > > > > Field is a Java term for what is called member in RFC 8259 (and, with a > bit more nuance, in C++, and a lot of other places). > > (ECMA 262 defines field as the entry in its abstract Record type, which > is similar.) > > > > > That term isn't mentioned in ECMA-404. > > > > Well, ECMA-404 doesn=E2=80=99t bother explaining what the syntax it spe= cifies is > > supposed to mean, so it doesn=E2=80=99t have a lot of use for terms > > like =E2=80=9Cmember=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cfield=E2=80=9D. > > > ECMA-404 uses "name/value pair", which is what I understand the term > "member" to mean (Douglas Crockford uses "member"). > > > > JSONPath selects JSON values, and only JSON values. > > > > We could argue whether JSONPath only selects the value or maybe also th= e > > position of the value in the tree. > > Yes, assuming by position you mean a normalized JSONPath expression, > as an alternative to returning values. > > But regarding "members" or "name/value pairs", no JSONPath query > returns these except as parts of a JSON object, which is a JSON value. > It's not like XQuery which can return results that are not an XML documen= t. > > It seems to me that "selects JSON values from a JSON document", or if you > like, > "selects JSON values or alternatively normalized JSONPath expressions", > would > suffice. > > Daniel > > -- > Jsonpath mailing list > Jsonpath@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath > --0000000000008e60de05b1437bd5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yeah, I think the "fields and values" language = survives from my first draft, and when I reread it today I wondered why I h= ad written that. Anyhow I don't think it's a problem in a practical= sense.

On Fri., Oct. 9, 2020, 2:05 p.m. Daniel P, <danielaparker@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 4:11 PM Carsten Borma= nn <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> > On 2020-10-09, at 21:52, Daniel P <danielaparker@gmail.co= m> wrote:
> >
> Field is a Java term for what is called member in RFC 8259 (and, with = a bit more nuance, in C++, and a lot of other places).
> (ECMA 262 defines field as the entry in its abstract Record type, whic= h is similar.)
>
> > That term isn't mentioned in ECMA-404.
>
> Well, ECMA-404 doesn=E2=80=99t bother explaining what the syntax it sp= ecifies is
> supposed to mean, so it doesn=E2=80=99t have a lot of use for terms > like =E2=80=9Cmember=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cfield=E2=80=9D.
>
ECMA-404 uses "name/value pair", which is what I understand the t= erm
"member" to mean (Douglas Crockford uses "member").

> > JSONPath selects JSON values, and only JSON values.
>
> We could argue whether JSONPath only selects the value or maybe also t= he
> position of the value in the tree.

Yes, assuming by position you mean a normalized JSONPath expression,
as an alternative to returning values.

But regarding "members" or "name/value pairs", no JSONP= ath query
returns these except as parts of a JSON object, which is a JSON value.
It's not like XQuery which can return results that are not an XML docum= ent.

It seems to me that "selects JSON values from a JSON document", o= r if you like,
"selects JSON values or alternatively normalized JSONPath expressions&= quot;, would
suffice.

Daniel

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X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 07:27:52 -0000 SGkNCg0KSXQgYWxsIHNlZW1zIHRvIGhhdmUgZ29uZSBhIGJpdCBxdWlldC4gUGxlYXNlIGNvdWxk IHNvbWVvbmUgdXBkYXRlIG1lDQpvbiBhIGNvdXBsZSBvZiBwb2ludHMuDQoNCkZpcnN0bHksIGhv dyBjbG9zZSBhcmUgd2UgdG8gdGhlIGNyZWF0aW9uIG9mIGEgSlNPTlBhdGggV29ya2luZyBHcm91 cD8NCg0KU2Vjb25kbHksIHdoYXQncyB0aGUgdGltZS9hZ2VuZGEgZm9yIHRoZSBwcm9wb3NlZCBK U09OUGF0aCBtZWV0aW5nIGF0DQpJRVRGIDEwOT8gKEl0IHdvdWxkIGJlIGhlbHBmdWwgdG8ga25v dyBzbyB3ZSBjYW4gcHVyY2hhc2UgdGlja2V0cyBpZg0KbmVjZXNzYXJ5IGJlZm9yZSB0aGUgcHJp Y2UgZ29lcyB1cCBhZ2Fpbi4pDQoNClRoYW5rcywNCkdseW4NCg== From nobody Thu Oct 22 01:41:56 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E663A0FC1 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 01:41:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BBFLirfJk_Bz for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 01:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9D97D3A0FBD for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 01:41:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p548dcc60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CH17K5L0Yzyvd; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:41:49 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <26f96bc44b35c9c83aaf9ab2764e7208c6a2b5d0.camel@vmware.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 10:41:49 +0200 Cc: "jsonpath@ietf.org" X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 625048909.009876-2b334e3ef19c12675926e0c9e9b40031 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <02B46E64-3CAB-4899-8284-6A30B48E8C6A@tzi.org> References: <26f96bc44b35c9c83aaf9ab2764e7208c6a2b5d0.camel@vmware.com> To: Glyn Normington X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Progress? X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 08:41:55 -0000 > Firstly, how close are we to the creation of a JSONPath Working Group? Good question. https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/chartering/ The IESG telechat is today; the IESG positions look good. > Secondly, what's the time/agenda for the proposed JSONPath meeting at > IETF 109? (It would be helpful to know so we can purchase tickets if > necessary before the price goes up again.) Time and date (UTC): MONDAY, November 16, 2020 0900-1100 Session III Rm 1 ART jsonpath JSON Path WG We haven=E2=80=99t defined the agenda yet; that will be the next step = once we know who the chairs will be (I'd expect there will be more than = one chair in the end; snapshot at = https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/jsonpath/about/). Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Thu Oct 22 05:27:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietf.org Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D2C93A0B0D; Thu, 22 Oct 2020 05:27:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Magnus Westerlund via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: jsonpath-chairs@ietf.org, jsonpath@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Magnus Westerlund Message-ID: <160336964161.8997.16533253357263214379@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 05:27:22 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] Magnus Westerlund's No Objection on charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-01: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 12:27:22 -0000 Magnus Westerlund has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-01: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Unless the document is ready the date of the milestone are completely unrealistic? From nobody Fri Oct 23 10:18:28 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietf.org Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CD853A1037; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:18:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: jsonpath-chairs@ietf.org, jsonpath@ietf.org, The IESG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <160347349960.19980.2340977524211702987@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 10:18:19 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] WG Action: Formed JSON Path (jsonpath) X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 17:18:20 -0000 A new IETF WG has been formed in the Applications and Real-Time Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chair. JSON Path (jsonpath) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Current status: Proposed WG Chairs: Tim Bray Assigned Area Director: Murray Kucherawy Applications and Real-Time Area Directors: Barry Leiba Murray Kucherawy Mailing list: Address: jsonpath@ietf.org To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/jsonpath/ Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/jsonpath/ Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ JSONPath is a syntax, originally based on the XML "XPath" design, which selects fields and values from a JSON document. It is used in a variety of applications which rely on JSON message formats. JSONPath was originally described by Stefan Goessner [1] but has never had an official specification of any kind, and the 39+ implementations, while mostly compatible, differ in certain behaviors. Note that while JSON Pointer (RFC 6901) is already standardised, it is designed to provide a reference to a single, specific part of a JSON document, whereas JSONPath provides the ability to query a document and potentially return multiple values. The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification that is technically sound and complete, based on the common semantics and other aspects of existing implementations. Where there are differences, the working group will analyze those differences and make choices that rough consensus considers technically best, with an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different JSONPath implementations. Possible input documents are: * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath/ * https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/internet-draft/ [1] https://goessner.net/articles/JsonPath/ Milestones: Jun 2021 - Standards Track document defining JSON Path to the IESG From nobody Fri Oct 23 14:19:44 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietf.org Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58F8B3A139C; Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:16:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: superuser@gmail.com, jsonpath@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.20.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <160348777835.5087.2141323186363735722@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 14:16:18 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] jsonpath - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 109 X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2020 21:16:21 -0000 Dear Amy Vezza, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. jsonpath Session 1 (2:00 requested) Monday, 16 November 2020, Session III 1600-1800 Room Name: Room 1 size: 501 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/sessions/jsonpath.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: JSON Path Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Amy Vezza Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 40 Conflicts to Avoid: Technology Overlap: t2trg core httpbis cbor jmap dispatch People who must be present: Murray Kucherawy Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Sat Oct 24 10:29:30 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C9B3A0B08 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 10:29:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dFvaFbaVH8gc for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 10:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x232.google.com (mail-lj1-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CD0A13A02C1 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 10:29:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x232.google.com with SMTP id m16so5078049ljo.6 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 10:29:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rh3+9U1v3JO5f9DscqIe/p2nNyOSLIg8JbrkQccDCxI=; b=XmRVpcpajq0cMZwQBy6ckqr/D8s83njl9z+ZY95O2qVCBBRWHq30l4PReptcSb3LDE NeyR2cVPdBiQ7E8UbjfBwWT/ZcUzX1gVF6aka1VPYjQRBCxn5nqbSlpPupRv13R8/sMp 2tfWQIJq0l7rSHK1sQ/+baeznwp2Hf0+VG3WXsBj4IckHn0LvkBVaYHAHv1C+eUSftBP qEUMei/FNY23OG1u/3teHIv9LvGKxAxh9DLDaYTHAw80bS8j7Vq4jTcDQBN8G6hy/dC0 cwwoJyfwoprAR7e5VnnUbPNulI51jsKzOJIUU1y44pv12herbjjkD5F35kKdyPPlL9ch uxeg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=rh3+9U1v3JO5f9DscqIe/p2nNyOSLIg8JbrkQccDCxI=; b=obpQ4xujEsH6TN30WEoRQ5klCkjG2aoxs1deLVmYOdzKWZmUl5DpZvqigjfyvdd95h fa4vtfdF2U/mUmCvvVEaE29Ye72SxP8jkfRkiwFidVmTzCEJ9QtFYTdpgsVU9qVsNfhD ryX8kdqfAlYumlshEDcIpr4CDVVDU7BUYUHtr8O8/J4FItfCCt1n+Cwkd8whws8kgakq 4HjjXVps3oTS+UJancAReVw9vbheWOBuvhx/aCk+KeWUSNe+Rn8yfLKwc0xmbZyBJqpX qSdfm+T0xw3xvXXoLIYAQFb9Qcv2IYd6hmeOjOiiypInm5ZvmsjJ4WO+yAud1lJOdL3w UDfA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533y7itGJxq+kYPBHY46NemN+9L1/E9APkLMhjJRyB7yr4guwN6v KYc4O6tMONxtt3/i1D/l4QEbiRUXUWMOreZGD4X86NnduTBpklot X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyT+81v9ySwpV2T6w/XD/ri071Jr7ezZr4uh8qSDVIxBhbwO3XCGTWC+r83k/UvDkDyn0nztXIiPmugVg3/pbo= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b015:: with SMTP id y21mr3034835ljk.367.1603560564346; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 10:29:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Tim Bray Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 10:29:13 -0700 Message-ID: To: jsonpath@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d0650f05b26e095d" Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] Welcome, and our IETF 109 session X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 17:29:29 -0000 --000000000000d0650f05b26e095d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hey everyone, welcome to the now-official IETF jsonpath WG: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/gETCDPfifXG6y4iq3CrgD-sH3-c/ Looks like I'm your unfortunate chair. I'll try to have useful things to say but I need to touch base with Murray first. Here's the IETF 109 agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/ It's taking place in ICT, where "I" stands for Indochina. Note: The meeting iis all-virtual. The JSONpath meeting is 16:00 Monday November 16th. I'm in Pacific time and that's Monday 1AM for me - work it out for wherever you are. Purpose of this note: Who on this list is coming to the meeting? --000000000000d0650f05b26e095d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey everyone, welcome to the now-official IE= TF jsonpath WG:=C2=A0https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/ms= g/ietf-announce/gETCDPfifXG6y4iq3CrgD-sH3-c/

Looks like I'm your unfortunate chair. I'll= try to have useful things to say but I need to touch base with Murray firs= t.

Here's the IET= F 109 agenda: http= s://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/
It's taking place in ICT, where "I&q= uot; stands for Indochina.=C2=A0 Note: The meeting iis all-virtual.

The JSONpath meeting is 16:00 = Monday November 16th.=C2=A0 I'm in Pacific time and that's Monday 1= AM for me - work it out for wherever you are.

Purpose of this note: Who on this list is coming to th= e meeting?=C2=A0
--000000000000d0650f05b26e095d-- From nobody Sat Oct 24 15:24:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC8D3A098C for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 15:24:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QwmnxKi9ACVw for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 15:24:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E35CA3A08C4 for ; Sat, 24 Oct 2020 15:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p548dcc60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CJbHv1pMyzyTb; Sun, 25 Oct 2020 00:24:43 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 25 Oct 2020 00:24:42 +0200 Cc: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 625271082.588571-e1fbad4bf6e710b326aee038eaf20ce6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3919E941-87C1-4C8E-B4A8-FAB821F58B9F@tzi.org> References: To: Tim Bray X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Welcome, and our IETF 109 session X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2020 22:24:50 -0000 Hi Tim, congratulations for your new blue dot :-) On 2020-10-24, at 19:29, Tim Bray wrote: >=20 > Purpose of this note: Who on this list is coming to the meeting?=20 I certainly will. I think by the time of the meeting we should have proposals ready to = discuss: * some more guidelines for the development of this specification: What = are going to be the guide rails within which we will be taking = decisions. The charter already provides some; maybe we can flesh them = out a bit. (Preferably not in a vacuum, but by looking at examples of = decisions we=E2=80=99ll need to take.) * a proposal for a working draft (probably by merging/coming up with a = plan to merge the two I-Ds we already have). Clearly, the authors are = in a position to take the initiative here, but we shouldn=E2=80=99t = really do something the WG doesn=E2=80=99t like. * (if we find a lot of time:) git(hub) operations procedures, e.g., how = do we make use of issues and pull requests, what is the role of the = mailing list, ... 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On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:24 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: > Hi Tim, > > congratulations for your new blue dot :-) > > On 2020-10-24, at 19:29, Tim Bray wrote: > > > > Purpose of this note: Who on this list is coming to the meeting? > > I certainly will. > > I think by the time of the meeting we should have proposals ready to > discuss: > > * some more guidelines for the development of this specification: What ar= e > going to be the guide rails within which we will be taking decisions. Th= e > charter already provides some; maybe we can flesh them out a bit. > (Preferably not in a vacuum, but by looking at examples of decisions we= =E2=80=99ll > need to take.) > > * a proposal for a working draft (probably by merging/coming up with a > plan to merge the two I-Ds we already have). Clearly, the authors are in= a > position to take the initiative here, but we shouldn=E2=80=99t really do = something > the WG doesn=E2=80=99t like. > > * (if we find a lot of time:) git(hub) operations procedures, e.g., how d= o > we make use of issues and pull requests, what is the role of the mailing > list, ... > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > --000000000000bacf2e05b273338c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Not= hing to disagree with there, but what we can realistically do at the meetin= g, and thus an input to the agenda, is partially a function of who's go= ing to show up.

On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 3:24 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
Hi Tim,

congratulations for your new blue dot :-)

On 2020-10-24, at 19:29, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:
>
> Purpose of this note: Who on this list is coming to the meeting?

I certainly will.

I think by the time of the meeting we should have proposals ready to discus= s:

* some more guidelines for the development of this specification: What are = going to be the guide rails within which we will be taking decisions.=C2=A0= The charter already provides some; maybe we can flesh them out a bit.=C2= =A0 (Preferably not in a vacuum, but by looking at examples of decisions we= =E2=80=99ll need to take.)

* a proposal for a working draft (probably by merging/coming up with a plan= to merge the two I-Ds we already have).=C2=A0 Clearly, the authors are in = a position to take the initiative here, but we shouldn=E2=80=99t really do = something the WG doesn=E2=80=99t like.

* (if we find a lot of time:) git(hub) operations procedures, e.g., how do = we make use of issues and pull requests, what is the role of the mailing li= st, ...

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

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I'm planning to be there, though I'm mostly a tourist. Bron. -- Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fastmail Pty Ltd brong@fastmailteam.com --03ff31cefe35453294be699a8cb392d6 Content-Type: text/html Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sun, Oct 25, 2020, at 04:29, Tim Bray wrote:
P= urpose of this note: Who on this list is coming to the meeting? 
=
I'm planning to be there, th= ough I'm mostly a tourist.
Bron.

--
  Bron Gondwana, CEO, Fa= stmail Pty Ltd
  brong@fastmailte= am.com


--03ff31cefe35453294be699a8cb392d6-- From nobody Mon Oct 26 00:41:59 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7DB23A19A9 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 00:41:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.145 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.145 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.247, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zZdYwq_6FSht for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 00:41:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.iit.cnr.it (mx5.iit.cnr.it [146.48.98.152]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1E283A19A8 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 00:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.iit.cnr.it (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BC83C07FD; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:41:52 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mx5.iit.cnr.it Received: from smtp.iit.cnr.it ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx5.iit.cnr.it [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mZiAilNna2VX; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:41:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from [192.12.193.108] (pc-loffredo.nic.it [192.12.193.108]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.iit.cnr.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AB8EFC02CE; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:41:49 +0100 (CET) To: Tim Bray , jsonpath@ietf.org References: From: Mario Loffredo Message-ID: <4a8d1bc0-380f-c8ab-11a2-a7b4c92ca218@iit.cnr.it> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 08:38:23 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------68B7BD9636EF623390C1CFC3" Content-Language: it Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Welcome, and our IETF 109 session X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 07:41:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------68B7BD9636EF623390C1CFC3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Il 24/10/2020 19:29, Tim Bray ha scritto: > Hey everyone, welcome to the now-official IETF jsonpath WG: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/gETCDPfifXG6y4iq3CrgD-sH3-c/ > > Looks like I'm your unfortunate chair. I'll try to have useful things > to say but I need to touch base with Murray first. > > Here's the IETF 109 agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/ > It's taking place in ICT, where "I" stands for Indochina. Note: The > meeting iis all-virtual. > > The JSONpath meeting is 16:00 Monday November 16th.  I'm in Pacific > time and that's Monday 1AM for me - work it out for wherever you are. > > Purpose of this note: Who on this list is coming to the meeting? I'm planning to join the meeting. Best, Mario -- Dr. Mario Loffredo Systems and Technological Development Unit Institute of Informatics and Telematics (IIT) National Research Council (CNR) via G. Moruzzi 1, I-56124 PISA, Italy Phone: +39.0503153497 Mobile: +39.3462122240 Web: http://www.iit.cnr.it/mario.loffredo --------------68B7BD9636EF623390C1CFC3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit


Il 24/10/2020 19:29, Tim Bray ha scritto:
Hey everyone, welcome to the now-official IETF jsonpath WG: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/gETCDPfifXG6y4iq3CrgD-sH3-c/

Looks like I'm your unfortunate chair. I'll try to have useful things to say but I need to touch base with Murray first.

Here's the IETF 109 agenda: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda/
It's taking place in ICT, where "I" stands for Indochina.  Note: The meeting iis all-virtual.

The JSONpath meeting is 16:00 Monday November 16th.  I'm in Pacific time and that's Monday 1AM for me - work it out for wherever you are.

Purpose of this note: Who on this list is coming to the meeting?

I'm planning to join the meeting.

Best,

Mario

-- 
Dr. Mario Loffredo
Systems and Technological Development Unit
Institute of Informatics and Telematics (IIT)
National Research Council (CNR)
via G. Moruzzi 1, I-56124 PISA, Italy
Phone: +39.0503153497
Mobile: +39.3462122240
Web: http://www.iit.cnr.it/mario.loffredo
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[209.93.36.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y2sm18876850wmi.21.2020.10.26.03.29.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 26 Oct 2020 03:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: glyn.normington@gmail.com To: Tim Bray , jsonpath@ietf.org Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:29:28 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Welcome, and our IETF 109 session X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:38:43 -0000 On Sat, 2020-10-24 at 10:29 -0700, Tim Bray wrote: > > Purpose of this note: Who on this list is coming to the meeting? I'll be there. I suggest we use separate threads for input to the meeting. Regards, Glyn PS. I'll be using my personal address too from now on. 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[209.93.36.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u133sm21788854wmb.6.2020.10.26.03.49.06 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 26 Oct 2020 03:49:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: glyn.normington@gmail.com To: jsonpath@ietf.org Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:49:05 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] Merging I-Ds X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:49:11 -0000 On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 00:24 +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > I think by the time of the meeting we should have proposals ready to discuss: > ... > * a proposal for a working draft (probably by merging/coming up with > a plan to merge the two I-Ds we already have). Clearly, the authors > are in a position to take the initiative here, but we shouldn’t > really do something the WG doesn’t like. In terms of merging the two I-Ds, the WG has a few options. We could start from a clean slate and use the curent I-Ds as source material or we could pick one of the I-Ds as a base and then merge in portions of the other. The approach we've taken with [1] is to start with a clean slate and then carefully introduce sections of text using pull requests with reviewers distinct from authors. The aim was to maintain (a) consensus over the content, (b) intellectual control, and (c) precision. We've tried to stick to a non-contentious subset of JSONPath so that the I-D can easily be adopted by the WG as a starting point, although the WG may prefer to start from scratch. We've been logging issues for later discussion in the WG. We have also been developing a Compliance Test Suite ([CTS]) and Reference Implementation ([RI]) in parallel with the spec work and have made these lag strictly behind the spec so that the spec remains the normative definition. I see the main benefits of [2] as continuity with Gössner's original article and providing the implicit goal of encompassing all the features in the scope of the work. A downside of using [2] as a starting point would be that it's tricky to retrofit precision. Regards, Glyn [1] https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/internet-draft/ [2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath-00 [CTS] https://github.com/jsonpath-standard/jsonpath-reference-implementation/blob/main/tests/cts.json (this should move to its own repo for ease of consumption) [RI] https://github.com/jsonpath-standard/jsonpath-reference-implementation From nobody Mon Oct 26 03:50:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43FDC3A005C for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 03:50:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.098 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.098 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j9Hemidz4M1j for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 03:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x32f.google.com (mail-wm1-x32f.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::32f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 333223A0045 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 03:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x32f.google.com with SMTP id l20so4879439wme.0 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 03:50:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=message-id:subject:from:to:date:user-agent:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=E5ZDQDbSCixzwcfMvK/bv17MFc16Qw4a6+H2UDnJabE=; b=pkth4bS857CxISYh6rtNBJTOohpOL5CexVeZedQ1XOmaF/8b4H8D2FtTIGh5oX9m/6 RurfBv/43BFXX2OVzF20kmMNdu6I0SCzkRyHavLP3+gtbsy5toxDsBETaymn/0XiQwxM GXpyHYCWjoo0qOKDx9UHAu+VI37/9OYAwK+36hOfVYLWMIM47vj2q9JH0KPt+Omr9djR jwCKHcFh0ZqqIIDwqpmOmEKBP++AEPWxN8wdhWEq+TPV3Est4HEaAZa9HQp/D5QgqR0g 3nf/hPji6PfnJjhdcvFsdnytZXezJCcjM1OCE9tv87raa1GUPsHDL3RDzSywnmpkhlhB E6Bw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:message-id:subject:from:to:date:user-agent :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=E5ZDQDbSCixzwcfMvK/bv17MFc16Qw4a6+H2UDnJabE=; b=bQja1zk2WTeCntvnUHVZrChzXT/I0oOegZQ1q3Ll7v2bOah6lpqIz/3cBAjoSGEToO J9fLc1v+k0k/lwdS9iy3OdMQeOz56/3dMPSNM1Qi1VzPE0nOdDn8B5y2oDOzlvJIu2i/ vHm2McyvytRMalsLIaoeNSo49JSuZOABMkPnWMvTGJ7NAhi0RF7hmELFeix8yFFPUuDh xaoEYbb4mi4VD1WLg2P47U3f5z4VGDf9JSLNQeGpLJva/xue7+fd/WgN6/r8BuvuukIK P0nL7eArFGGX6bnG7TgZaNrqr64hQ7tDQDvVX5wmFUzL+wK6m8Z0Cfs4bXRg3Xo0ruf/ tAiQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530r3sY4y8xRQ48pYPeZLAAz2wMX/CCmHodNCnq9aB8hvBVlVb9S hQQF9eY0mJ8qQq/m0AJ/mTM+EoW1Bc+tfA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy1Sdli2h+mHiKrlqHHb6alJowJ/H4mdHYjg84TBwilrvHFwAONbWhHeqMzewcIKK/KiLd50Q== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:c8d1:: with SMTP id f17mr15320748wml.30.1603709429385; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 03:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zion.lan (79.36.93.209.dyn.plus.net. [209.93.36.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h4sm21937742wrv.11.2020.10.26.03.50.28 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 26 Oct 2020 03:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1a44354640dbad89b97e0fe46e8ac57dc2e94152.camel@gmail.com> From: glyn.normington@gmail.com To: jsonpath@ietf.org Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:50:27 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] git(hub) usage X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 10:50:32 -0000 On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 00:24 +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > I think by the time of the meeting we should have proposals ready to > discuss: > ... > > * (if we find a lot of time:) git(hub) operations procedures, e.g., > how do we make use of issues and pull requests, what is the role of > the mailing list, ... In terms of git(hub) usage, I'd be happy for the WG to take over ownership of the jsonpath-standard github organisation, which I currently own, and (if necessary) to repurpose the contents. Regards, Glyn From nobody Mon Oct 26 05:57:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D7973A0AB8 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:57:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ttkxFlV1m-2f for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C132A3A0AB9 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 05:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p548dcc60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CKZcR1VkTzyh4; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:57:27 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:57:26 +0100 Cc: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 625409846.70676-daff6710342499ca70f926f43072d66b Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: glyn.normington@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Merging I-Ds X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 12:57:31 -0000 On 2020-10-26, at 11:49, glyn.normington@gmail.com wrote: >=20 > I see the main benefits of [2] as continuity with G=C3=B6ssner's = original > article and providing the implicit goal of encompassing all the > features in the scope of the work. A downside of using [2] as a > starting point would be that it's tricky to retrofit precision. Right. But a specification does not need to jump heads-first into the = precise part; I see the existing draft mainly as introductory material = that allows the reader to see the forest before climbing the individual = trees. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Mon Oct 26 06:03:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906243A0AD0 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 06:03:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xIQQ9TbbvUxX for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 06:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7F0C23A0AA1 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 06:03:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p548dcc60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CKZkx1h4LzybZ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 14:03:05 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <1a44354640dbad89b97e0fe46e8ac57dc2e94152.camel@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 14:03:04 +0100 Cc: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 625410184.829694-fcb72b7c9cdad84352f3a177efef3924 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1a44354640dbad89b97e0fe46e8ac57dc2e94152.camel@gmail.com> To: glyn.normington@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] git(hub) usage X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:03:10 -0000 > On 2020-10-26, at 11:50, glyn.normington@gmail.com wrote: >=20 > On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 00:24 +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> I think by the time of the meeting we should have proposals ready to >> discuss: >> ... >>=20 >> * (if we find a lot of time:) git(hub) operations procedures, e.g., >> how do we make use of issues and pull requests, what is the role of >> the mailing list, ... >=20 > In terms of git(hub) usage, I'd be happy for the WG to take over > ownership of the jsonpath-standard github organisation, which I > currently own, and (if necessary) to repurpose the contents. RFC 8875 suggests the organization name ietf-wg-jsonpath I=E2=80=99m not a fan of this choice, but it=E2=80=99s the current = guideline. Of course, existing organizations (jsonpath-standard, jsonpath-wg) can = be converted to that name. We just should follow RFC 8874/5 (unless = there is a good reason not to follow them). 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[209.93.36.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n9sm24692719wrq.72.2020.10.26.06.03.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 26 Oct 2020 06:03:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: glyn.normington@gmail.com To: Carsten Bormann Cc: jsonpath@ietf.org Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:03:54 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Merging I-Ds X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 13:03:58 -0000 On Mon, 2020-10-26 at 13:57 +0100, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2020-10-26, at 11:49, glyn.normington@gmail.com wrote: > > I see the main benefits of [2] as continuity with Gössner's > > original > > article and providing the implicit goal of encompassing all the > > features in the scope of the work. A downside of using [2] as a > > starting point would be that it's tricky to retrofit precision. > > Right. But a specification does not need to jump heads-first into > the precise part; I see the existing draft mainly as introductory > material that allows the reader to see the forest before climbing the > individual trees. 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We just should follow RFC 8874/5 > (unless there is a good reason not to follow them). Agreed. 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I'll go ahead and set that up unless one of you wants to? On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:03 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > On 2020-10-26, at 11:50, glyn.normington@gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 00:24 +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > >> I think by the time of the meeting we should have proposals ready to > >> discuss: > >> ... > >> > >> * (if we find a lot of time:) git(hub) operations procedures, e.g., > >> how do we make use of issues and pull requests, what is the role of > >> the mailing list, ... > > > > In terms of git(hub) usage, I'd be happy for the WG to take over > > ownership of the jsonpath-standard github organisation, which I > > currently own, and (if necessary) to repurpose the contents. > > RFC 8875 suggests the organization name ietf-wg-jsonpath > I=E2=80=99m not a fan of this choice, but it=E2=80=99s the current guidel= ine. > > Of course, existing organizations (jsonpath-standard, jsonpath-wg) can be > converted to that name. We just should follow RFC 8874/5 (unless there i= s > a good reason not to follow them). > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > -- > Jsonpath mailing list > Jsonpath@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath > --000000000000898d0205b293f2c3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes= please. I'll go ahead and set that up unless one of you wants to?

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:03 AM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:


> On 2020-10-26, at 11:50, glyn.normington@gmail.com wrote:
>
> On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 00:24 +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote:
>> I think by the time of the meeting we should have proposals ready = to
>> discuss:
>> ...
>>
>> * (if we find a lot of time:) git(hub) operations procedures, e.g.= ,
>> how do we make use of issues and pull requests, what is the role o= f
>> the mailing list, ...
>
> In terms of git(hub) usage, I'd be happy for the WG to take over > ownership of the jsonpath-standard github organisation, which I
> currently own, and (if necessary) to repurpose the contents.

RFC 8875 suggests the organization name ietf-wg-jsonpath
I=E2=80=99m not a fan of this choice, but it=E2=80=99s the current guidelin= e.

Of course, existing organizations (jsonpath-standard, jsonpath-wg) can be c= onverted to that name.=C2=A0 We just should follow RFC 8874/5 (unless there= is a good reason not to follow them).

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

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[209.93.36.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b131sm1973068wmc.3.2020.10.26.07.51.15 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 26 Oct 2020 07:51:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: glyn.normington@gmail.com To: Tim Bray , Carsten Bormann Cc: jsonpath@ietf.org Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 14:51:14 +0000 In-Reply-To: References: <1a44354640dbad89b97e0fe46e8ac57dc2e94152.camel@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] git(hub) usage X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 14:51:20 -0000 On Mon, 2020-10-26 at 07:42 -0700, Tim Bray wrote: > Yes please. I'll go ahead and set that up unless one of you wants to? Go for it, thanks. Then you as the Chair will have the necessary admin priveleges. > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:03 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > > On 2020-10-26, at 11:50, glyn.normington@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 00:24 +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > >> I think by the time of the meeting we should have proposals > > ready to > > >> discuss: > > >> ... > > >> > > >> * (if we find a lot of time:) git(hub) operations procedures, > > e.g., > > >> how do we make use of issues and pull requests, what is the role > > of > > >> the mailing list, ... > > > > > > In terms of git(hub) usage, I'd be happy for the WG to take over > > > ownership of the jsonpath-standard github organisation, which I > > > currently own, and (if necessary) to repurpose the contents. > > > > RFC 8875 suggests the organization name ietf-wg-jsonpath > > I’m not a fan of this choice, but it’s the current guideline. > > > > Of course, existing organizations (jsonpath-standard, jsonpath-wg) > > can be converted to that name. We just should follow RFC 8874/5 > > (unless there is a good reason not to follow them). > > > > Grüße, Carsten > > From nobody Mon Oct 26 09:13:42 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 679103A0CD7 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 09:13:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 69zJJAdbhmNs for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 09:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x135.google.com (mail-lf1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 515F33A0CB5 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 09:13:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x135.google.com with SMTP id 184so12798785lfd.6 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 09:13:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ybWpSmmTq+oOBuvUgNdijcTGNaLkYWYs7zrtMkXCzFM=; b=ADzf1rDWXnfr74o2FVjLKGQwKAPTDyDGYbMLqEFon5KEd6VPcLojSNZeyKBcy3QLZJ 7HgnBJvi4BH2cStQMZ+cnk+9UuUuSDSORKPidMmmgVRBxTkk6SAPZj0U3NFhzc+M+Z6P iJpffQW7u8/AOk9hGp2wpNcvBTy61nCRDzA1N4Bb27lrPlCZbqrNahq1KhDOCpEes1xg PjL+nEWsA3OTzd2y45nq7oVSBzObgHEWFUr7CyKa8ojdv2pYbhqvz51WeDGPsUYbq1i9 KkLmjj/MeiEN+6iGuy2JowSqsnF2RDlQAuW1UVdoc1444Wg3Wiq7cqjZEGDGO2DFXP0U JiVA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ybWpSmmTq+oOBuvUgNdijcTGNaLkYWYs7zrtMkXCzFM=; b=fURqTBxFrT40bmcMR7aSVFivXi3fVf2/w4/eMFNmoZBfXY07lpAqzF2BvxFqFF8371 6yyTYYaQynA12CXEbPdJnkt6tpwQUMrtPZVmRErGulK+Sdy/aPpinArW7solQbGcdexS ScGPmPBXPud870u4qQXGl+18+q5SqDoh8Q/hQBjw2exJqtibcl5Cd30j3kUCDuvfDnML h2zB8BS8ReWaTjaJXmP6C0FpXtiSDHD2BARM3Yfk7e6OQsn6ofzlo1557Fq8JkQTee8C K6HMOs5cYllhXQ3sN+wVJ0vdR0f6eyo5OYQE1X/PBAZX1v9a7tlT74uz8ooNIpVxNdIA dFTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533zlwSohLxu1B4rO4IyX5z6g46p4ci6+jk76OaOmRLJZOBUUsae 2+4TDiIrHLvbFX5NbWwZUEmTTpJkt4gT6nbN6JhocA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJylSLfIsqwFIankfiNUisBFSrdQujMm7jjeR67b1OGweFrvs0ScOHdUj+yOdq9X1UEu4SlPAAAlHMd0ROD59sE= X-Received: by 2002:a19:1c7:: with SMTP id 190mr5073904lfb.516.1603728816254; Mon, 26 Oct 2020 09:13:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1a44354640dbad89b97e0fe46e8ac57dc2e94152.camel@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Tim Bray Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 09:13:25 -0700 Message-ID: To: glyn.normington@gmail.com Cc: Carsten Bormann , jsonpath@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000068c9ac05b2953661" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] git(hub) usage X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 16:13:41 -0000 --00000000000068c9ac05b2953661 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Per 8875, I've asked Murray to create a GitHub organization and update the DataTracker, then I'll fill in the basics and we can move forward. On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:51 AM wrote: > On Mon, 2020-10-26 at 07:42 -0700, Tim Bray wrote: > > Yes please. I'll go ahead and set that up unless one of you wants to? > > Go for it, thanks. Then you as the Chair will have the necessary admin > priveleges. > > > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:03 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > > > > On 2020-10-26, at 11:50, glyn.normington@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 00:24 +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > >> I think by the time of the meeting we should have proposals > > > ready to > > > >> discuss: > > > >> ... > > > >> > > > >> * (if we find a lot of time:) git(hub) operations procedures, > > > e.g., > > > >> how do we make use of issues and pull requests, what is the role > > > of > > > >> the mailing list, ... > > > > > > > > In terms of git(hub) usage, I'd be happy for the WG to take over > > > > ownership of the jsonpath-standard github organisation, which I > > > > currently own, and (if necessary) to repurpose the contents. > > > > > > RFC 8875 suggests the organization name ietf-wg-jsonpath > > > I=E2=80=99m not a fan of this choice, but it=E2=80=99s the current gu= ideline. > > > > > > Of course, existing organizations (jsonpath-standard, jsonpath-wg) > > > can be converted to that name. We just should follow RFC 8874/5 > > > (unless there is a good reason not to follow them). > > > > > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > > > > --00000000000068c9ac05b2953661 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Per= 8875, I've asked Murray to create a GitHub organization and update the= =C2=A0DataTracker, then I'll fill in the basics and we can move forward= .

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 7:51 AM <glyn.normington@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2020-10-26 at 07:42 -0700, Tim Bray wrote:
> Yes please. I'll go ahead and set that up unless one of you wants = to?

Go for it, thanks. Then you as the Chair will have the necessary admin
priveleges.

>
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 6:03 AM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
> >
> > > On 2020-10-26, at 11:50, glyn.normington@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > On Sun, 2020-10-25 at 00:24 +0200, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > >> I think by the time of the meeting we should have propos= als
> > ready to
> > >> discuss:
> > >> ...
> > >>
> > >> * (if we find a lot of time:) git(hub) operations proced= ures,
> > e.g.,
> > >> how do we make use of issues and pull requests, what is = the role
> > of
> > >> the mailing list, ...
> > >
> > > In terms of git(hub) usage, I'd be happy for the WG to t= ake over
> > > ownership of the jsonpath-standard github organisation, whic= h I
> > > currently own, and (if necessary) to repurpose the contents.=
> >
> > RFC 8875 suggests the organization name ietf-wg-jsonpath
> > I=E2=80=99m not a fan of this choice, but it=E2=80=99s the curren= t guideline.
> >
> > Of course, existing organizations (jsonpath-standard, jsonpath-wg= )
> > can be converted to that name.=C2=A0 We just should follow RFC 88= 74/5
> > (unless there is a good reason not to follow them).
> >
> > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
> >

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[209.93.36.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c185sm1173993wma.44.2020.10.27.02.15.55 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 27 Oct 2020 02:15:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3893b955d7850033f3e2aa3832a70887fc7389a2.camel@gmail.com> From: glyn.normington@gmail.com To: "jsonpath@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 09:15:54 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] Working Group membership X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 09:16:00 -0000 What constitutes membership of the JSONPath Working Group? Is it simply belonging to this mailing list or is there something more formal? 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[209.93.36.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n6sm1389701wrj.60.2020.10.27.03.24.38 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 27 Oct 2020 03:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: glyn.normington@gmail.com To: "jsonpath@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:24:37 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.36.4-0ubuntu1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] Use of non-normative text X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:24:43 -0000 We've recently clarified the semantics of array slice notation in our I-D ([1]) and tested it by having someone implement an array slice function from the spec alone. This is all well and good for implementers, but another audience for an I-D is users of JSONPath. It may be helpful to include some non-normative text to give users a bit of a gentler introduction to that part of the spec. So my question is: what's the best practice, if any, for including non- normative text in an I-D? (There's a clear notion of normative vs informational references, but I haven't found any corresponding guidance for inline text.) [1] https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/internet-draft/ From nobody Tue Oct 27 06:29:37 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C54263A0A81 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:29:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=brianrosen-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LEPuAaCBQib9 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x836.google.com (mail-qt1-x836.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::836]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA0D73A0A73 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:29:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x836.google.com with SMTP id p45so764083qtb.5 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:29:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=brianrosen-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=MpNIvc9GaTREc12onAXwUXyWrfO5wgO9Q6rCF0nCAMQ=; b=SuTTtIHcwZYES4dP8NG7IpsQQ7GPiF6ekHMOJ/UJluijHCIhKh0N2nzi1uLfulpAAH OxJ3dR6Fc4YMYbulFaXbL1p3lkl6kbC20hNOixnCJrkSTqvgxlJDn1VemMQJTUZVArVZ PbeTJjdtQe0eFhW2J7kJpdysydV7G+bV76JuwHB5xiDZy5zYPDRNN6G5+3+eCz50uLIM YouxNBclIBT1hlDhF90L3jWtM9xur2i0etGFO+kJ6LH7RZ+P7kcarg2iYqRIj5YQM0RI OTcOQNTAIfVNzKY7eEzvSqOV3tRK78OcvZZ4XobjaoPWl6/Nr5pJb3Aw/xWnshKbsRBP Wgpg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=MpNIvc9GaTREc12onAXwUXyWrfO5wgO9Q6rCF0nCAMQ=; b=O+vUsN8v0csSWu2wgHP3Q2a4FJRtsriRIByfTSKyzemC4rSk47HRcXxDi2fAPdzq/E VhhtCq4v8GpTe/JLB4XLTCPPpJYQCOo+d+vdNOKfObWHmtWrhJevkbnUEcZAv6kh3HX5 n+jq0X9ehsMK0r8KxH18FicnBUX//6vOudPWuPsIeTUEt2+RM5j9PvanofXEAsTqjWkG 07I2YwUnaXOts0VWhHVPumWjc9UTK2T8PT+FCxloZsJ0A48W588ZnrhTzs25jYteXQmo 3neGthInLBWJ7xutOo7nZZCCPdQgE6nGwGckefK5lkDO/KMg/ATjkDVyXz8djF5sKKVG EZ6Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Cy+Le1lB0Q7zeOfvCEmzRm14fNKWS1d60DmeOTJLvctJAg8ea PfmVC4sokZM+N+KfXwp9ThIQOg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyM5WyJ0FIpZdUFSWJkGfeL1ETaJmiIoAxCNr09jby3WXy1AflomZRQgS62FGYDtxmvj5a/aA== X-Received: by 2002:aed:22c7:: with SMTP id q7mr2010208qtc.141.1603805371742; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brians-mbp-2871.lan (dynamic-acs-24-154-119-158.zoominternet.net. [24.154.119.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u31sm768120qtu.87.2020.10.27.06.29.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:29:31 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) From: Brian Rosen In-Reply-To: <3893b955d7850033f3e2aa3832a70887fc7389a2.camel@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 09:29:22 -0400 Cc: "jsonpath@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <3893b955d7850033f3e2aa3832a70887fc7389a2.camel@gmail.com> To: glyn.normington@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Working Group membership X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 13:29:35 -0000 There is no concept of =E2=80=9Cmembership=E2=80=9D. Being on the list = keeps you up to date on progress, but anyone can participate whether = they are on the list or not. Brian > On Oct 27, 2020, at 5:15 AM, glyn.normington@gmail.com wrote: >=20 > What constitutes membership of the JSONPath Working Group? Is it = simply > belonging to this mailing list or is there something more formal? >=20 > Thanks, > Glyn >=20 > --=20 > Jsonpath mailing list > Jsonpath@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath From nobody Tue Oct 27 06:31:26 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E63A3A0BFA for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:31:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=brianrosen-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T-2NKfzK9Qad for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:31:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk1-x72c.google.com (mail-qk1-x72c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::72c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7C8F3A0BF1 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:31:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk1-x72c.google.com with SMTP id s14so1080203qkg.11 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:31:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=brianrosen-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=/25nDcNeZrQXtcnZDxWNB9pACtDGcFuag6qz0m9iFD4=; b=VHtaOsuGa8V4/cmF/haZ7Vtm633Xkkg5lB3BidjimN5s5Xp7Moe3YibiDNAIUlT2hq 28sf0bdeqMFDuq4hvNbvLnYcYv7JRzpSrRkQVK8joOmNj3g/UciwJ6iktIY4r7vwAcyr wdtBrAASwLROA7aOD7xTJ0mohutpzW2Q/xUTpznTNbEx49IZSqZ59VK2U4hgSAzk8GdM 2P0k7W2rCVmLO8KvggbjLbhos8DzBh0h2Y/jlVoWgpmIpsMu6/XM8uMqisKMvp83yJe1 i1Q7nPcfqUUOZL63SzDv/e6p55eRpCj9ONdzLyxICGUgbJ+DwwkMmIzbUPKrax+JWukZ 0ltA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=/25nDcNeZrQXtcnZDxWNB9pACtDGcFuag6qz0m9iFD4=; b=oqxwZyxlPjZJluC1IzZ0anOml4p8hRb6UFJkyy10valwziQ2GrxZuT5BivQZ1jDRsk 6FJ8YQO6aq/cBe54pih7vwyYJyZ/JdHQTBxbf1wTfV5vfZLIstXSL30KnK1n1rEqYWeo A1WLANOK2BKL8z8N2LoY3rl4ypPAMalvQOWUAH93vOhSmqVBYt0hcP1zo1EL1jWtBuNw E+ATqhHrAvsR5F65ecMvgaFnAkN5ExxCCxhh48pZYN2ggfmafUqJpXUMt15y0UZNoVf0 Mu9Kq4/Ducg4tYKu1eCvR7c3hYhGnkuD9UecCBjS/1yGj5ZsIIA3MHdjflAynaXfVHBe bfKw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533AnUljlCLOo38T5O4XlbSr1dNtrZ3rRCHDDXIogx6K8s86/Cap GwkM5hiCNgSVrkQTyNY+FrR+8Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyAZ+92bs6aObqjibjRIlYUFTUA4TT2UJgIhgIZ7YnOCMZ/I8um0QmQTqlzeIymjl1jZLlLsQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:118f:: with SMTP id b15mr2031186qkk.361.1603805482966; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brians-mbp-2871.lan (dynamic-acs-24-154-119-158.zoominternet.net. [24.154.119.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m33sm779039qtb.65.2020.10.27.06.31.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 27 Oct 2020 06:31:22 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) From: Brian Rosen In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 09:31:17 -0400 Cc: "jsonpath@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <87BB96DF-AF7C-4C79-AECB-CD1B07194602@brianrosen.net> References: To: glyn.normington@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Use of non-normative text X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 13:31:26 -0000 Generally, normative text uses upper case SHALL, MUST, MAY, etc. = Informative text doesn=E2=80=99t. That=E2=80=99s how you tell. =20 > On Oct 27, 2020, at 6:24 AM, glyn.normington@gmail.com wrote: >=20 > We've recently clarified the semantics of array slice notation in our > I-D ([1]) and tested it by having someone implement an array slice > function from the spec alone. This is all well and good for > implementers, but another audience for an I-D is users of JSONPath. It > may be helpful to include some non-normative text to give users a bit > of a gentler introduction to that part of the spec. >=20 > So my question is: what's the best practice, if any, for including = non- > normative text in an I-D? >=20 > (There's a clear notion of normative vs informational references, but = I > haven't found any corresponding guidance for inline text.)=20 >=20 > [1] https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/internet-draft/ >=20 > --=20 > Jsonpath mailing list > Jsonpath@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath From nobody Tue Oct 27 08:33:49 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 655DD3A0CD4 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 08:33:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.147 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.147 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.247, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b5S_KEK7MaOk for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 08:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 309953A0C26 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 08:33:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603812821; bh=OuAki3ngPM+hFGhaDpUqae1tKq+5bS9fauYJWcgMY3A=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=U6nLSEFnE4jBEdbp+90z8Cu6wme8VGGUqfcVVVkcr6mx1TW8P0VZP3iVPHM9y+0Dw KyqKP5X90vGZGgmiI8iCQmtJUterO2ECZZ3ZiFW3RSfZv+pcqpQL58t865KG8ZMQ6O nB2gLTyr6Q+2jyz/vXA19Arx3qqBSPbAZqZ51Flc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.20] ([91.61.57.60]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MGQjH-1kawYa3ZNt-00GriC for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:33:41 +0100 To: jsonpath@ietf.org References: <87BB96DF-AF7C-4C79-AECB-CD1B07194602@brianrosen.net> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <070a1089-8904-480d-2636-4e06ada90ca9@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 16:33:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87BB96DF-AF7C-4C79-AECB-CD1B07194602@brianrosen.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Hnb9N5lYEHnx66fB/APMlAj1iRHA7qqTt6TrLtukRd2z9LaBmIK 3+Fr8YmSAVNs6twJ+5+udELxnRmU17Mtm34JxiyAPS0AsvMJ5WSnjLqfE9tqAbV05+5aZfF ijhbRBzmI8qkog7a66hJVyoXC/ne+0UyG0WwmIFUguOgQDE0tzdULV33WSoB+BLsao3t8kS lMVoTrksYAih4EKRcFLTQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:v8IkvStPq3Q=:7NsqmB1PO0LTm8W++0iWfz xKt3IUfBIT31wkghkKnRxOGmIF4b6MEudkdHVL/DCMUtCK6ljmkkv0shOIXupUhkSjLQ7E69A HYgQ5ko3ocNTngfeqRrblLxCE3EUTeQO/bLX3XzoqLRqEFrsMEO+ODEjcCwZPKN6ezbBaSpY8 Oz7FFmyfypNPdhHPhzd7XFCIpmTveB8ZG4AraNVXoTzZPnaR8KbyvDajFKF1bIMHegh+Gwd5s 8P6bKxdE/efcZbIeraV+GloeB24SN/Sipkj43S+luQgFaItq1fAjDgDN6sRvhgeoA4v3RxV2I L58TO97zKUHpYhiaNqNotY7fyKheKqNgnTOnnPwCiULUo4jfWy6PMREBkc9Cw0jXuzZVU5H3j H3tHapTJKtTHqOASbl3Yl+gu6QhTz0wCfPzMgvXGFV1JImhdzu3oQ+lIIngdeCMbaS4GjNzIs IhtpY08bZ8/b7O+w2RW/4TB3/LwCxShEkoSGud1vegzGEbGmTECtao+wpdUwsXyXvbkx2dMwo Sx8dtlsRxVHKDtcqAH7gGyEAlWdsAg/KNN24YOZ5bV7tlYjR+aKKUGQS5b5xemeYJtqHO/bzC xzu1OsZUUA0dZK/z45u+CK09CNz0POPSJIEMf/5lTrSfEgtVGUqnLryMcHaZDqQF9ToH4x967 /JoLtv0TaJsnHZMrq9INYwatUa9DD2djJ2Mtp210IwGfPFxXJ46iULGdOExmEf3yrFz2hCGZh u3U/CpIoa4cu+KYw4Q/kRwV04BBBLkGfGWgFSOmLaXAe819CvsbJ1uujMpCP4OCany3oHfv+A L73/OUv2IdPx+f1AWN6adu1sjrUU/DmOKvlwdmS8qd/mWVKPKDuNf1RuhK/SZJ8Lgwylmulgn OY6OnK0/9glcRHjiJ+MQ== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Use of non-normative text X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 15:33:47 -0000 Am 27.10.2020 um 14:31 schrieb Brian Rosen: > Generally, normative text uses upper case SHALL, MUST, MAY, etc. Inform= ative text doesn=E2=80=99t. That=E2=80=99s how you tell. That's not really true in general. Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Oct 27 10:54:04 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8560B3A127E for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:54:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FbPEmOZO7vC3 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:53:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35B8B3A0D0E for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 10:53:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.120] (p548dcc60.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.96]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4CLK834xmTzygj; Tue, 27 Oct 2020 18:53:55 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <070a1089-8904-480d-2636-4e06ada90ca9@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 18:53:55 +0100 Cc: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 625514035.1620049-fce1d163489b485c748363b336d7b941 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <455860EF-B74F-468E-9519-71B6E052EB95@tzi.org> References: <87BB96DF-AF7C-4C79-AECB-CD1B07194602@brianrosen.net> <070a1089-8904-480d-2636-4e06ada90ca9@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Use of non-normative text X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 17:54:03 -0000 On 2020-10-27, at 16:33, Julian Reschke wrote: >=20 >> Generally, normative text uses upper case SHALL, MUST, MAY, etc. = Informative text doesn=E2=80=99t. That=E2=80=99s how you tell. >=20 > That's not really true in general. Indeed. A lot of normative text contains simple factual statements such = as =E2=80=9Ca foo is composed of a bar and a baz=E2=80=9D. RFC 2119 = interoperability keywords come in when there is a decision to be made by = an implementation, and making the wrong decision will lead to less = interoperability. Such as "Messages with unknown version numbers MUST = be silently ignored=E2=80=9D because sending back an error message might = lead to error message wars. Really, we try to make the informative text correct, so it doesn=E2=80=99t= hurt if it is taken to be normative. (If the informative text is not = correct, readers will be misled and thus interoperability hurt = regardless of its normative status.) Occasionally, we mark whole = sections or appendices as informative; e.g., when a detailed rationale = for a specific design is given. But then, such text usually = self-identifies its informative intention. An example for this is examples. Implementors often care for examples = more than they care for text; understanding is often led by = theory-building about what is seen in the examples more than by the = often tedious text. So examples MUST (see?) be correct, and we spend a = lot of energy machine-checking (or machine-generating) the examples. More generally speaking, we like our specifications to be somewhat = redundant, so they can be self-checked; the intent is not for = interpretation to lead to exactly one outcome but to the right outcome = that supports interoperability (where reliably stating =E2=80=9Cthe spec = is broken=E2=80=9D may be one such outcome). 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Kucherawy" Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 23:34:23 -0700 Message-ID: To: jsonpath@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000584a4105b2b55b63" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Welcome, and our IETF 109 session X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 06:34:38 -0000 --000000000000584a4105b2b55b63 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Tim Bray wrote: > Hey everyone, welcome to the now-official IETF jsonpath WG: > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/gETCDPfifXG6y4iq3CrgD-sH3-c/ > > Looks like I'm your unfortunate chair. I'll try to have useful things to > say but I need to touch base with Murray first. > I'm still on the hunt for a co-chair to back Tim up. If anyone is keen or has someone to suggest, please ping me privately. -MSK --000000000000584a4105b2b55b63 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sat, Oct 24, 2020 at 10:29 AM Tim Bray= <tbray@textuality.com> w= rote:
Hey everyone, welcome to the now-official IETF json= path WG:=C2=A0https://mailarchive.ietf.= org/arch/msg/ietf-announce/gETCDPfifXG6y4iq3CrgD-sH3-c/

Looks like I&= #39;m your unfortunate chair. I'll try to have useful things to say but= I need to touch base with Murray first.

I'm still on the hunt for a co-chair to back = Tim up.=C2=A0 If anyone is keen or has someone to suggest, please ping me p= rivately.

-MSK
--000000000000584a4105b2b55b63-- From nobody Wed Oct 28 04:44:11 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C77C3A0E9C for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 04:44:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.147 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.147 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.247, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XSKaTTZb0MbQ for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 04:44:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 77EFC3A0D87 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 04:44:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1603885444; bh=zuYTyDm+K7BQHfzSxEF87i5505FWyapPCxgE8IHupyI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=G2sK+85BBOdXkMZKD3wE8FytglGgtOyvlJDcbFFPXATCSRcjBbwM/EQyUwquMog6Y pHpNDmK2GAu9ek+jgfbmROFGaIb0+DW3fqcY/xmNECJXG6Rg+ekiCwRpgYZDmEqO2h ouy1Apa9u/h617j80l96oDhvoG4MIiN7sOVGfEHM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.236] ([217.91.35.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MBUmD-1kfkEN3XNn-00CzZU for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:44:04 +0100 To: jsonpath@ietf.org References: <87BB96DF-AF7C-4C79-AECB-CD1B07194602@brianrosen.net> <070a1089-8904-480d-2636-4e06ada90ca9@gmx.de> <455860EF-B74F-468E-9519-71B6E052EB95@tzi.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <824150f9-7486-4c5a-b33c-079dac186a02@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 12:44:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <455860EF-B74F-468E-9519-71B6E052EB95@tzi.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:KpjdB5fBfZkCVJW5BIR+1fOSUx3U9XgdaL8GxQnaCR8GyK5vZpM uvmOcllK+d/5mfcUvPNkPeDAcdwRefltgy9jjh6jDW9CmYJ4K/GywDoMIOHtqyG71IP1wNs SY9S/pQI5skOR2SHT50NyUNOCdUS/eWqmUflXS6TuV+JiYF4UN0DJFiLJeRhBGa1TC/TgtN jaU4XhWVngl17//MyUK+g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:6fOOW4CmlGo=:aFEWYgsgRVi78S6icREgbD MthjCEZYyctD2W5XDo6Sm/vk36nGWNSf/7woz8yXrAhF267CkkT7xe54ifHOiKFamVZe5trIQ Xxuh6/49QZ/yVI+1ADGcjVL9m6bnGA8Uti4YldWfFftvTgdvILpppaSk2yAfeechSBumQhRaI sNux1ujHOjoM/a9vmuebIIR4uKZ7DOzfqrwp3UO9Lw5pCdl4RET64KcvcKuJONEn0JfhbBaYE jnSc8DRaLwR8J1mEUBSDksMnviqimqHmD3GuM9i30fn9wseicA5FwAdqNa8Wc1XcIv15hiK4H otJ30jPHiTtaW9y05w/Cy2XlT6klXbhV8/sWk6mzEfQAXzei6daGycWX4nJaAINkZJmieQid4 Sb3piQ7zp8x+l7MUpD99AYb84Cj2Qv0QKoY99YjQ2TQU7foF5ppGtyA9u63joeh6H8rsH73Il MSD5Kg79QjNnckEam3xRRCwyhCxWFVhOWHJGMZ30xuGN03NVof6faZdl6mSBhuQYdnXzFc/OU tG+D74ET6vi3As5DB9cZXTGno4J9dqfMynEkU9hrBrxL5Lhw7k9U9MzhB7KSbLVl1pHCkAPAO DdV7Yr6iKKAXINGodzcvaNmVVqW91lbCximNYKkciCTGYwQTRXMQyRqeJOEGgpoTDLfFF5L5A ZQUQ00HJCeVxxdiIMDkAacDkI2AhvFTqDlewm1RQVXy3ioDWdBPrBq6alWk/kOgMTffwdHjLX aduWxX361CK3p550baNUbY3L+sJCZ2wT5PTyeGtAwiG/tjIA75T1ygYliTHo5DoeGGsyk7aQp 6bw/YQC3ar+NIlp81J4smXzpamScAk+fCvh6JkhbXIdzO6xZQIqBhrfiec2n/WDEuqesFTFiR qjXflW7/F4DD63zwLdgg== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Use of non-normative text X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2020 11:44:09 -0000 Am 27.10.2020 um 18:53 schrieb Carsten Bormann: > ... Carsten, thanks for the well-written explanation :-). As an additional data point: you can have a normative standards-track document without using any UPPERCASE requirements at all; RFC 3986 is an example for that. 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I'm Tim Bray; your co-chairs are James Gruessing and me. This is from both of us. We=E2=80=99ll be virtually meeting Nov. 16th at this time: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=3DJSONPath+WG+IET= F+109+Session&iso=3D20201116T16&p1=3D28&ah=3D2 This will be inconvenient for quite a lot of us, but just fine for our Asian colleagues who normally are the ones struggling out of bed in the middle of the night. Fairly-urgent action item: Agenda. We need to have our draft agenda submitted next Wednesday and finalized on the ninth. Please post any items to this mailing list. Work is proceeding to get us a GitHub repo where draft specs and related material can be posted and diffed and PR'ed. I=E2=80=99d like to offer a reading list that I think people should glance = over to get themselves equipped to participate in this work. 1. Our charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ 2. Stefan G=C3=B6ssner's original "XPath for JSON" write-up that is the = only existing spec of any kind: https://goessner.net/articles/JsonPath/ 3. An Internet-Draft from Stefan and Carsten Bormann which IETF-izes Stefan's original draft and is designed to launch this discussion: https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath-00.html 4. Another Internet-draft style document from Normington, Surov, and Mikulicic, with the goal of specifying JSONPath: https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/internet-draft/ 5. "JSONPath Comparison", a comparison by Christoph Burgmer of many different JSONPath implementations and how they handle various JSONPath idioms: https://cburgmer.github.io/json-path-comparison/ - fabulous work= ! 6. In case that document looks way too big and intimidating, an example of one of its detail pages: Bracket notation with dot: https://cburgmer.github.io/json-path-comparison/results/bracket_notation= _with_dot.html 7. For those of you who are new-ish to the IETF, an excellent write-up of how things work: https://www.ietf.org/about/participate/tao 8. Mark Pilgrim's classic "Why specs matter": https://web.archive.org/web/20051016203842/http://diveintomark.org/archi= ves/2004/08/16/specs - it's short, to the point, and explains why good specifications need to b= e full of illustrative examples. --000000000000e18e0905b2eb6f79 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello! = I'm Tim Bray; your co-chairs are James=C2=A0Gruessing and me. This is f= rom both of us.

We=E2=80=99ll be virtually meeting Nov. 16th at th= is time:=C2=A0https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtim= e.html?msg=3DJSONPath+WG+IETF+109+Session&iso=3D20201116T16&p1=3D28= &ah=3D2

This will be inconvenient for quite a lot of us, but just fin= e for our Asian colleagues who normally are the ones struggling out of bed = in the middle of the night.=C2=A0=C2=A0
<= br>
Fairly-urgent action item: Agenda.=C2= =A0 We need to have our draft agenda submitted next Wednesday and finalized= on the ninth.=C2=A0 Please post any items to this mailing list.

Work is proceeding to get us a GitHub repo where draft specs a= nd related material can be posted and diffed and PR'ed.=C2=A0
=

I=E2=80= =99d like to offer a reading list that I think people should glance over to= get themselves equipped to participate in this work.
  1. Our charter:=C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/
  2. Stefan G=C3=B6ssner's original "XPath for = JSON" write-up that is the only existing spec of any kind:=C2=A0https://goe= ssner.net/articles/JsonPath/
  3. An Inte= rnet-Draft from Stefan and Carsten Bormann which IETF-izes Stefan's ori= ginal draft and is designed to launch this discussion:=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpa= th-00.html
  4. Another Internet-draft st= yle document from Normington, Surov, and=C2=A0Mikulicic, with the goal of s= pecifying JSONPath:=C2=A0https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/interne= t-draft/
  5. "JSONPath Comparison&q= uot;, a comparison by=C2=A0Christoph Burgmer of many different JSONPath imp= lementations and how they handle various JSONPath idioms:=C2=A0https://= cburgmer.github.io/json-path-comparison/=C2=A0- fabulous work!
  6. In case that document looks way too big and inti= midating, an example of one of its detail pages: Bracket notation with dot:= =C2=A0https://cburgmer.github.io/= json-path-comparison/results/bracket_notation_with_dot.html
  7. For those of you who are new-ish to the IETF, an ex= cellent write-up of how things work:=C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/about/particip= ate/tao
  8. Mark Pilgrim's classic &= quot;Why specs matter":=C2=A0https://web.archive.org/web/20051016203842/http://diveintomark.org/a= rchives/2004/08/16/specs=C2=A0- it's short, to the point, and expla= ins why good specifications need to be full of illustrative examples.
    9. <= /ol>
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