From lars.eggert@nokia.com Thu Sep 2 23:42:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D78A3A67F4 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:42:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.632 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.632 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7kBBXDb4LycR for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-sa02.nokia.com (mgw-sa02.nokia.com [147.243.1.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E35753A67E3 for ; Thu, 2 Sep 2010 23:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id o836h0CP029058 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:43:00 +0300 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.2 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-114-246295771; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:42:53 +0300 Message-Id: <66F7D47B-20D7-4DF6-8D79-1EE8564A6127@nokia.com> To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] datatracker suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 06:42:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail-114-246295771 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, it'd be nice if I could also add a comment (for the document history) in = the "change document state" dialog. I sometimes write a note when I = change the document, and currently I need to remember to do this = separately. 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(core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BgNURCgpLGS0 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 07:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9903A68D8 for ; Fri, 3 Sep 2010 07:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (pool-173-71-48-4.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.71.48.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o83ET7vo014686 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:29:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <66F7D47B-20D7-4DF6-8D79-1EE8564A6127@nokia.com> Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 09:29:07 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <36DA3242-67BC-4EFF-997C-F8F681B1A3A8@nostrum.com> References: <66F7D47B-20D7-4DF6-8D79-1EE8564A6127@nokia.com> To: Lars Eggert X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 173.71.48.4 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] datatracker suggestion X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:28:46 -0000 I added this to = . On Sep 3, 2010, at 1:42 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: > Hi, >=20 > it'd be nice if I could also add a comment (for the document history) = in the "change document state" dialog. I sometimes write a note when I = change the document, and currently I need to remember to do this = separately. >=20 > Lars_______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From lars.eggert@nokia.com Tue Sep 7 01:06:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C7A53A6850 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:06:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.978, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BziKarwjVd74 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-sa01.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.1.47]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39E713A6832 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 01:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa01.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id o8786r0H032580 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:06:53 +0300 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.2 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-139-596927821; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:06:45 +0300 Message-Id: <2DE01A19-461A-4A76-9EEE-312FACF9A7C6@nokia.com> To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Responsible AD & Assign to Me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 08:06:28 -0000 --Apple-Mail-139-596927821 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-138-596927779 --Apple-Mail-138-596927779 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, in the "edit info" dialog, there is a popup to change the responsible = AD. There is also an "assign to me" checkbox. Isn't the checkbox = redundant? 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(mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7915E3A68EA for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E19BF9A4772 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:20:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XfWCvDDQLQ-5 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (pool-96-231-149-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.231.149.87]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944AF9A472B for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 11:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 11:20:27 -0400 From: Russ Housley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Development X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 15:20:04 -0000 I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the remainder of the year: - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. We need a different plan. Russ From rpelletier@isoc.org Tue Sep 7 14:11:52 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B853A6A6A for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:11:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.127 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.127 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.472, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qT+9JFAiP5Oo for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp244.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp244.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.244]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3F03A6966 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6746023A881; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay14.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 5B33623A889; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ray Pelletier In-Reply-To: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 17:12:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:11:52 -0000 Russ, There will always be conflict at some point for someone, but does = changing it to the 1st, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT work any better? Ray On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the = remainder > of the year: >=20 > - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; > - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and > - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. >=20 > We need a different plan. >=20 > Russ > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From housley@vigilsec.com Tue Sep 7 15:11:12 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDEB53A6966 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:11:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.596 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.596 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.003, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AX3B6wO+m8Ez for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FAE23A6984 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C737C9A476E; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 18:11:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ixgep2DVXjfi; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 18:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (pool-96-231-149-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.231.149.87]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277DF9A4749; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 18:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 18:11:27 -0400 From: Russ Housley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Pelletier References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2010 22:11:12 -0000 The 3rd Wednesday is much better. Russ On 9/7/2010 5:12 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > Russ, > There will always be conflict at some point for someone, but does changing it to the 1st, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT > work any better? > > Ray > > On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > >> I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the remainder >> of the year: >> >> - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; >> - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and >> - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. >> >> We need a different plan. >> >> Russ >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > From rpelletier@isoc.org Tue Sep 7 18:08:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5E703A6AFD for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 18:08:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.131 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.131 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.468, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9KVJb9Qau9Jg for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 18:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48E423A6B00 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 18:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp33.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 6C74A301B8; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:08:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp33.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 3950C301A5; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ray Pelletier In-Reply-To: <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:08:47 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:08:22 -0000 All; Is there any objection to moving the monthly calls to the 3rd Wednesday = of the month beginning in September (15th)? Ray On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > The 3rd Wednesday is much better. >=20 > Russ >=20 > On 9/7/2010 5:12 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >> Russ, >> There will always be conflict at some point for someone, but does = changing it to the 1st, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT >> work any better? >>=20 >> Ray >>=20 >> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>=20 >>> I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the = remainder >>> of the year: >>>=20 >>> - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; >>> - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and >>> - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. >>>=20 >>> We need a different plan. >>>=20 >>> Russ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>=20 >>=20 From rjsparks@nostrum.com Tue Sep 7 18:17:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C073A6AFF for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 18:17:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.533 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.533 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.067, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IOI2TfyUhNu0 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 18:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EDCF3A6895 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 18:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (pool-173-71-48-4.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.71.48.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o881I3xw028678 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:18:03 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 20:18:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 173.71.48.4 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 01:17:38 -0000 ok with me On Sep 7, 2010, at 8:08 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > All; >=20 > Is there any objection to moving the monthly calls to the 3rd = Wednesday of the month beginning in September (15th)? >=20 > Ray >=20 >=20 > On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >=20 >> The 3rd Wednesday is much better. >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >> On 9/7/2010 5:12 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>> Russ, >>> There will always be conflict at some point for someone, but does = changing it to the 1st, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT >>> work any better? >>>=20 >>> Ray >>>=20 >>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the = remainder >>>> of the year: >>>>=20 >>>> - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; >>>> - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and >>>> - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. >>>>=20 >>>> We need a different plan. >>>>=20 >>>> Russ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From bob.hinden@gmail.com Tue Sep 7 21:02:57 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49E693A6B2D for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:02:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.515 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.515 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.084, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dkwj6BkSHeNl for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f172.google.com (mail-px0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0AA03A6B28 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pxi6 with SMTP id 6so2029450pxi.31 for ; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:03:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=kSaLvaBHwUe5JMz5xaZ+v7iK7A5wJDIwMwGCd/AZL9I=; b=Nz200IHnsBZ+xfVw79tEv062RDvAEzJapZPluvYlfjpHQprxLt2f0pnjHK+ulL9YGi mV2QDsdbTGKBldA06wLdnPDFF0s13E/fR7q57rG9EmMplMzPv0NoSgIalhrQR+Q35EeE tYVxriHNwUmiMH/AHrvNetWw8enh7dVMq0Rc0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=aGyx6HhbkShyj3rAeuf0/F3bsOLQ9xoiU/7/806wKzgrAVMCp3v/EMSoidZ/Wppp79 KXKr3FP3L9MLKsYNRc2z135tMymZiSrOLrI0bxcYa083g2ZEqUtoONUGEm8ENXHjjWNr CwJ5uMMvtuUlyW43Rfy0x30rN6yPtvV+I1A+Y= Received: by 10.114.46.8 with SMTP id t8mr189844wat.32.1283918602898; Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.37] (c-67-188-5-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.188.5.28]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o17sm14768630wal.21.2010.09.07.21.03.21 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 07 Sep 2010 21:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:03:16 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <84374FE3-EFBD-48D3-A39C-E5665E9A236A@gmail.com> References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:02:57 -0000 Is there a tools call tomorrow (Wednesday)? Bob On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > All; >=20 > Is there any objection to moving the monthly calls to the 3rd = Wednesday of the month beginning in September (15th)? >=20 > Ray >=20 >=20 > On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >=20 >> The 3rd Wednesday is much better. >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >> On 9/7/2010 5:12 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>> Russ, >>> There will always be conflict at some point for someone, but does = changing it to the 1st, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT >>> work any better? >>>=20 >>> Ray >>>=20 >>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the = remainder >>>> of the year: >>>>=20 >>>> - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; >>>> - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and >>>> - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. >>>>=20 >>>> We need a different plan. >>>>=20 >>>> Russ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From lars.eggert@nokia.com Tue Sep 7 21:47:28 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8D7F3A6B34 for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:47:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.940, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qxolo77lyT1f for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-sa02.nokia.com (mgw-sa02.nokia.com [147.243.1.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DDA73A6B2D for ; Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:47:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id o884lrwt008860 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:47:53 +0300 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.2 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-174-671379800; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:47:37 +0300 Message-Id: <852FBF0C-6950-46C1-B8CC-734C930B98FE@nokia.com> References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 04:47:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail-174-671379800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On 2010-9-8, at 4:08, Ray Pelletier wrote: > Is there any objection to moving the monthly calls to the 3rd = Wednesday of the month beginning in September (15th)? I'm not sure at the moment if I could make the Sep 15, Oct 20 and Dec 15 = calls due to travel on those dates. 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localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eBf7J8mLeXXX for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 04:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp194.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp194.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B393A6885 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 04:20:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay29.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay29.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D120D1B414C; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay29.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 8ED7F1B4149; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ray Pelletier In-Reply-To: <84374FE3-EFBD-48D3-A39C-E5665E9A236A@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:20:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <758FBF81-B749-457D-9123-2EFB46C50825@isoc.org> References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> <84374FE3-EFBD-48D3-A39C-E5665E9A236A@gmail.com> To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:20:17 -0000 On Sep 8, 2010, at 12:03 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Is there a tools call tomorrow (Wednesday)? No, the 15th. Ray >=20 > Bob >=20 >=20 > On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >=20 >> All; >>=20 >> Is there any objection to moving the monthly calls to the 3rd = Wednesday of the month beginning in September (15th)? >>=20 >> Ray >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >>=20 >>> The 3rd Wednesday is much better. >>>=20 >>> Russ >>>=20 >>> On 9/7/2010 5:12 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>> Russ, >>>> There will always be conflict at some point for someone, but does = changing it to the 1st, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT >>>> work any better? >>>>=20 >>>> Ray >>>>=20 >>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the = remainder >>>>> of the year: >>>>>=20 >>>>> - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; >>>>> - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and >>>>> - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. >>>>>=20 >>>>> We need a different plan. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Russ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 From housley@vigilsec.com Wed Sep 8 06:36:33 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD2F03A68DE for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 06:36:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.606 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.606 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.007, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nKT3JaQajcLn for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 06:36:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FB4A3A689C for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 06:36:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 719089A4785; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:36:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b6d5-YbDNZtU; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (pool-96-231-149-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.231.149.87]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905B89A470F; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4C879169.9000109@vigilsec.com> Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 09:36:41 -0400 From: Russ Housley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.8) Gecko/20100802 Thunderbird/3.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Hinden References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> <84374FE3-EFBD-48D3-A39C-E5665E9A236A@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <84374FE3-EFBD-48D3-A39C-E5665E9A236A@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:36:33 -0000 I would prefer to delay for one week. I cannot make the call today. Russ On 9/8/2010 12:03 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Is there a tools call tomorrow (Wednesday)? > > Bob > > > On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > >> All; >> >> Is there any objection to moving the monthly calls to the 3rd Wednesday of the month beginning in September (15th)? >> >> Ray >> >> >> On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >> >>> The 3rd Wednesday is much better. >>> >>> Russ >>> >>> On 9/7/2010 5:12 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>> Russ, >>>> There will always be conflict at some point for someone, but does changing it to the 1st, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT >>>> work any better? >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the remainder >>>>> of the year: >>>>> >>>>> - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; >>>>> - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and >>>>> - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. >>>>> >>>>> We need a different plan. >>>>> >>>>> Russ >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > From bob.hinden@gmail.com Wed Sep 8 07:28:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B60D3A6869 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:28:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.517 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.517 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.082, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W9ZFNp4QdnBe for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f44.google.com (mail-pz0-f44.google.com [209.85.210.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E7CF3A6875 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:28:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pzk6 with SMTP id 6so40175pzk.31 for ; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 07:29:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:mime-version :content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding :message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=mWwPbTdNdTrGAwWJ0ZUHMZNisa65wyxAe9VFoMNG6+8=; b=gkfr6tQJoZucTxUjhotn96qyMQOJoq2RhyXR7YoDJ39IiypOMJl45huwgzX5FtS16B wBMzh+LDRmfymn+sMrTKNsMAhjr4g94Mfn1JjgAtegSMIcy9iHc4fXTyNTOJlzScIZRj 9B8IVXEUYbVVNnlJFJCmMvXLdvSaXHfM3/pnc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; b=QsBYkQ40WuCNQuC1FDCKFbVv6bcYiq1V32Hc4QstItMVLWUzZ+vFlPw6co//FDGTeS nlSVLP52jigI9g5ejUuDaz7OtZvkA/sEbGYjSd+HxV/+JEg00LoeFv1khpbxVPJyiKEu wgRzBV9kZgYO29VYh0TgY8KvB1kToQ1Cy9/LY= Received: by 10.142.199.10 with SMTP id w10mr24948wff.39.1283956152453; Wed, 08 Sep 2010 07:29:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.37] (c-67-188-5-28.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.188.5.28]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id s34sm76821wfc.20.2010.09.08.07.28.51 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 08 Sep 2010 07:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <4C879169.9000109@vigilsec.com> Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 07:28:38 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <08725083-DAB2-4A8F-ACFC-D8A070B88CE7@gmail.com> References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> <84374FE3-EFBD-48D3-A39C-E5665E9A236A@gmail.com> <4C879169.9000109@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley , Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:28:47 -0000 OK, thanks. Bob On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:36 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > I would prefer to delay for one week. I cannot make the call today. >=20 > Russ >=20 > On 9/8/2010 12:03 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >> Is there a tools call tomorrow (Wednesday)? >>=20 >> Bob >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>=20 >>> All; >>>=20 >>> Is there any objection to moving the monthly calls to the 3rd = Wednesday of the month beginning in September (15th)? >>>=20 >>> Ray >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>=20 >>>> The 3rd Wednesday is much better. >>>>=20 >>>> Russ >>>>=20 >>>> On 9/7/2010 5:12 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>>> Russ, >>>>> There will always be conflict at some point for someone, but does = changing it to the 1st, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT >>>>> work any better? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Ray >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the = remainder >>>>>> of the year: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; >>>>>> - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and >>>>>> - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> We need a different plan. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Russ >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>=20 >>=20 From lars.eggert@nokia.com Wed Sep 8 08:34:48 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43C093A684B for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:34:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.476 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.476 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.877, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OLJAsrESSoOL for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-sa02.nokia.com (mgw-sa02.nokia.com [147.243.1.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 974273A6804 for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 08:34:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id o88FZDK9003279 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 8 Sep 2010 18:35:13 +0300 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.2 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-12-710221470; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 18:34:59 +0300 Message-Id: <0CDC611E-19D0-4C39-AD96-4E0720003EE5@nokia.com> To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] separating discusses and comments more visibly in email X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2010 15:34:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail-12-710221470 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, the emails summarizing an AD's discusses and comments could use a more = visible separator between the two parts. Maybe add a line or something? 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(core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EFeEQSTIzyqD for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47BAF3A659C for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 00:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A122CC3C for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:00:56 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60NlZGTTmUIw for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:00:55 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4208D2CC30 for ; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:00:55 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4C89D7A4.1030000@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:00:52 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "tools-development@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] history and IESG writeups, RFC Editor notes, etc. X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 07:00:33 -0000 I have a functionality request that we talked about in yesterday's IESG telechat, and Russ asked me to forward it to you. The tracker web interface gives a lot of information of what has changed on a document, e.g., https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dna-simple/. For instance, it tracks state changes, adds comments from ADs, position changes, etc. However, one thing that is not visible in this history list is the writeup changes. When a last call message, RFC Editor note, or approval message gets changes it is not reflected in the history. Seeing these changes in the history as well would be useful. For instance, in the case of the DNA document it was unclear to me yesterday when the RFC Editor note field had been edited, and I had to do a lot of research to find out that it was actually a very old piece of text, entered before the draft had changed. 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IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service = includes a feature that allows audio and any documents and other = materials exchanged or viewed during the session to be recorded. By = joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If = you do not consent to the recording, discuss your concerns with the = meeting host prior to the start of the recording or do not join the = session. Please note that any such recordings may be subject to = discovery in the event of litigation. = --Apple-Mail-10-933230119-- From lars.eggert@nokia.com Sun Sep 12 00:02:46 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 964923A6864 for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 00:02:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.734 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.734 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.531, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8wXW52MDExFB for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 00:02:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-sa02.nokia.com (mgw-sa02.nokia.com [147.243.1.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04D833A672F for ; Sun, 12 Sep 2010 00:02:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id o8C739gm009347 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:03:10 +0300 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.2 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <67795984-AA3A-48E0-B93C-CE8724DA5213@isoc.org> Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 10:02:52 +0300 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <9A075B63-BB81-4201-A043-EB7EAC8F8663@nokia.com> References: <67795984-AA3A-48E0-B93C-CE8724DA5213@isoc.org> To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: "tools-development@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Wed 15 Sept - WebEx Details X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 07:02:46 -0000 Regrets - on travel=20 On 2010-9-11, at 8:31, Ray Pelletier wrote: > Ray Pelletier invites you to attend this online meeting. >=20 > Topic: Tools Cmte > Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 > Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00) > Meeting Number: 961 030 232 > Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.) >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > To join the online meeting (Now from the Apple iPhone (R) too!) > ------------------------------------------------------- > 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D147332152&UID=3D0&RT=3DMi= MxMQ%3D%3D > 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. > 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: (This = meeting does not require a password.) > 4. Click "Join". >=20 > To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link: > = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D147332152&UID=3D0&ORT=3DM= iMxMQ%3D%3D >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > To join the audio conference only > ------------------------------------------------------- > To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code. > Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-699-3239 > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300 > Global call-in numbers: = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&ED= =3D147332152&tollFree=3D1 > Toll-free dialing restrictions: = http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf >=20 > Access code:961 030 232 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > For assistance > ------------------------------------------------------- > 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc > 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support". >=20 > You can contact me at: > rpelletier@isoc.org > 1-703-652-9534 >=20 > To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft = Outlook), click this link: > = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D147332152&UID=3D0&ICS=3DM= I&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DNm8o354m84IDHksP57NCELJGNWGLZauvUu1Bne/2eDw=3D= &RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D >=20 > The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files = requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in = the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php >=20 > Sign up for a free trial of WebEx > http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial >=20 > http://www.webex.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows = audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during = the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, = discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the = recording or do not join the session. Please note that any such = recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation. > From rjsparks@nostrum.com Mon Sep 13 07:31:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C68F73A69E2 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:31:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.388 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.388 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.212, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Lb12YEGKYw2 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 783453A69C3 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (pool-173-71-48-4.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.71.48.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o8DEWClH080832 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:32:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <4C89D7A4.1030000@piuha.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 09:32:12 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4C89D7A4.1030000@piuha.net> To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 173.71.48.4 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: "tools-development@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] history and IESG writeups, RFC Editor notes, etc. X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:31:49 -0000 Jari -=20 Would you get what you need from knowing what the date of last edit of = any of the writeup sections was?=20 RjS On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > I have a functionality request that we talked about in yesterday's = IESG telechat, and Russ asked me to forward it to you. >=20 > The tracker web interface gives a lot of information of what has = changed on a document, e.g., = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dna-simple/. For instance, = it tracks state changes, adds comments from ADs, position changes, etc. >=20 > However, one thing that is not visible in this history list is the = writeup changes. When a last call message, RFC Editor note, or approval = message gets changes it is not reflected in the history. Seeing these = changes in the history as well would be useful. For instance, in the = case of the DNA document it was unclear to me yesterday when the RFC = Editor note field had been edited, and I had to do a lot of research to = find out that it was actually a very old piece of text, entered before = the draft had changed. >=20 > Jari >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From jari.arkko@piuha.net Mon Sep 13 07:55:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8373A69F8 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:55:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.408 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.191, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wu2Qo3Gx2cCn for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F5F3A69F1 for ; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 07:55:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7690F2CC50; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:55:53 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JMwNauzelcrP; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:55:52 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9BE02CC30; Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:55:51 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4C8E3B78.6040400@piuha.net> Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 17:55:52 +0300 From: Jari Arkko User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100411) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sparks References: <4C89D7A4.1030000@piuha.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "tools-development@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] history and IESG writeups, RFC Editor notes, etc. X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2010 14:55:32 -0000 The primary use case would be checking whether the draft or the RFC Editor note is newer. If the draft is newer, then the note is probably out of date or redundant. jari Robert Sparks kirjoitti: > Jari - > > Would you get what you need from knowing what the date of last edit of any of the writeup sections was? > > RjS > > > On Sep 10, 2010, at 2:00 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > > >> I have a functionality request that we talked about in yesterday's IESG telechat, and Russ asked me to forward it to you. >> >> The tracker web interface gives a lot of information of what has changed on a document, e.g., https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dna-simple/. For instance, it tracks state changes, adds comments from ADs, position changes, etc. >> >> However, one thing that is not visible in this history list is the writeup changes. When a last call message, RFC Editor note, or approval message gets changes it is not reflected in the history. Seeing these changes in the history as well would be useful. For instance, in the case of the DNA document it was unclear to me yesterday when the RFC Editor note field had been edited, and I had to do a lot of research to find out that it was actually a very old piece of text, entered before the draft had changed. >> >> Jari >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> > > > From rpelletier@isoc.org Wed Sep 15 05:39:47 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 496283A6C08 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 05:39:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.11 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.509, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_FONT_SIZE_LARGE=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hq-lvrogYsnI for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 05:39:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.204]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85AE83A6C11 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 05:39:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp50.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 7542A3703C5 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:39:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp50.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 0A5D33703CE for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:39:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Ray Pelletier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20--842993173 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:39:28 -0400 Message-Id: <7991F481-7C22-43C3-BEE8-1693D907E052@isoc.org> To: tools-development@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Agenda for 15 September X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:39:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail-20--842993173 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All, Draft agenda and WebEx details below. Ray 0. Bash the Agenda 1. Beijing Code Sprint=20 2. Liaison Tool Acceptance Testing 3. ID Submission Tool Development Update 4. Mission Critical Tools Move 5. NomCom Tools Support 6. IT Tools Development Overview 7. Asia Server Update 8. Other Topic: Tools Cmte=20 Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010=20 Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)=20 Meeting Number: 961 030 232=20 Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the online meeting (Now from the Apple iPhone (R) too!)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D147332152&UID=3D0&RT=3DMi= MxMQ%3D%3D=20 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.=20 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: (This meeting = does not require a password.)=20 4. Click "Join".=20 To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:=20 = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D147332152&UID=3D0&ORT=3DM= iMxMQ%3D%3D=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the audio conference only=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.=20 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-699-3239=20 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300=20 Global call-in numbers: = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&ED= =3D147332152&tollFree=3D1=20 Toll-free dialing restrictions: = http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf=20 Access code:961 030 232=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 For assistance=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc=20 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".=20 You can contact me at:=20 rpelletier@isoc.org=20 1-703-652-9534=20 To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft = Outlook), click this link:=20 = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D147332152&UID=3D0&ICS=3DM= I&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DNm8o354m84IDHksP57NCELJGNWGLZauvUu1Bne/2eDw=3D= &RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files = requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in = the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php=20 Sign up for a free trial of WebEx=20 http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial=20 http://www.webex.com=20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows = audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during = the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, = discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the = recording or do not join the session. Please note that any such = recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation.=20= --Apple-Mail-20--842993173 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii All,

Draft agenda and WebEx details = below.

Ray

0.  Bash the Agenda
1.  Beijing Code = Sprint 
2.  Liaison Tool Acceptance = Testing
3.  ID Submission Tool Development = Update
4.  Mission Critical Tools = Move
5.  NomCom Tools Support
6.  IT Tools Development = Overview
7.  Asia Server Update
8. =  Other

Topic: Tools = Cmte 
Date: Wednesday, = September 15, 2010 
Time: 11:00 am, = Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00) 
Meeting Number: = 961 030 232 
Meeting Password: = (This meeting does not require a password.) 


------------------------------------------------------- 
To join the online = meeting (Now from the Apple iPhone (R) too!) 
------------------------------------------------------- 
1. Go = to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D147332152&UID=3D= 0&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D 
2. If requested, = enter your name and email address. 
3. If a password = is required, enter the meeting password: (This meeting does not require = a password.) 
4. Click = "Join". 

To view in other = time zones or languages, please click the = link: 
https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D147332152&UID=3D= 0&ORT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D 

------------------------------------------------------- 
To join the audio = conference only 
------------------------------------------------------- 
To receive a call = back, provide your phone number when you join the meeting, or call the = number below and enter the access code. 
Call-in toll-free = number (US/Canada): 1-866-699-3239 
Call-in toll = number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300 
Global call-in = numbers: https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3D= MC&ED=3D147332152&tollFree=3D1 
Toll-free dialing = restrictions: http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf 

Access code:961 = 030 232 

------------------------------------------------------- 
For = assistance 
------------------------------------------------------- 
1. Go = to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc 
2. On the left = navigation bar, click "Support". 

You can contact me = at: 
rpelletier@isoc.org 
1-703-652-9534 

To add this = meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft Outlook), click = this link: 
https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D147332152&UID=3D= 0&ICS=3DMI&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DNm8o354m84IDHks= P57NCELJGNWGLZauvUu1Bne/2eDw=3D&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D 

The playback of = UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files requires = appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in the = meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php 

Sign up for a free = trial of WebEx 
http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial 

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= --Apple-Mail-20--842993173-- From conte@isoc.org Wed Sep 15 08:57:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E92193A6810 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:57:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.408 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.408 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.743, BAYES_50=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id isN+AtCDbrDg for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp134.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp134.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CDBA3A6832 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay23.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay23.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5F3E91568182 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay23.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: conte-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 20B561568245 for ; Wed, 15 Sep 2010 11:58:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Conte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:58:16 -0700 Message-Id: <78218D2B-A583-486F-92B9-8C0B5285951A@isoc.org> To: tools-development@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call: 15 Sept 2010 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 15:57:55 -0000 IETF Tools Call - 15 September 2010 Attendees: Ray Pelletier Steve Conte Robert Sparks Alexa Morris Russ Housley Glen Barney Bob Hinden Agenda: 0. Bash the Agenda 1. Beijing Code Sprint RH to resend to 79ALL list as the list didn't exist at the time of the = first announce. RjS can start working on work agenda - RH: expecting upgrade liasion statement tool and idsubmissions tool = and want to=20 make sure that small bugs are addressed or enhancements = identified - Liaision is in beta, and idsub should be beta soon RH: A questionnaire in codesprint list to find out what went right and = what went wrong so as to better future sprints RjS to start shape up work agenda =20 SC: Room is Ruby, will touch base with Marcia in the future regarding = the network - RP: first draft of network acceptance has just been released so NOC is = starting to=20 work on it=20 2. Liaison Tool Acceptance Testing 3. ID Submission Tool Development Update Dev list exists but not testing list 4. Mission Critical Tools Move GB: No activity since last call rfcdiff and idnits is moved nomcom is next, Henrik to Move RH: Tool is moved to ietf servers, but reconfig needed to happen to = increase support - Nomcom is active right now, so not a good time to implement and new = tool to be=20 introduced after Nomcom=20 RP: Will AMS maintain this tool? RH: Eventually, yes=20 RP: xml2rfc? RH: call for volunteers to maintain, then tool was declared critical so = determining steps to move tool forward into the critical tools area. Suggestions to = how to handle the=20 transisition? GB: start with explaining the situation? Not saying that a volunteer = can't work on it=20 once it's in AMS RH: needs a complete rewrite (written in tcl) GB: idnits and rfcdiff use python interpreter for upload features RH: xml2rfc has multiple URLs in the code that point back to where it = resides Suggestion is that existing tool stay live while a rewrite takes place = with the input and guidance of the maintainers. Once rewrite is in place @ AMS, then a = redirect will point to new tool 5. NomCom Tools Support HL is maintaining tool while nomcom is underway and handoff won't take = place until the end of current Nomcom 6. IT Tools Development Overview RP: (document shown) 19 projects in work 6 projects completed, 3 by AMS Spending less than expected budget is 575K , currently in the 3-400K range conversation on friday with budget committee 7. Asia Server Update Henrik was going to work on bringing it up. No new status update 8. Other ----- Steve Conte conte@isoc.org From lars.eggert@nokia.com Thu Sep 23 01:16:49 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D993A6B3C for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 01:16:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.316 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.316 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.717, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2oGCsXjjE4Z9 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 01:16:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-sa02.nokia.com (mgw-sa02.nokia.com [147.243.1.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5EA3A6B39 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 01:16:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id o8N8H9oL025778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:17:09 +0300 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.2 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-43--167539724; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:17:01 +0300 Message-Id: To: "tools-development@ietf.org Development" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:17:03 +0300 (EEST) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] "For Action"? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:16:49 -0000 --Apple-Mail-43--167539724 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-42--167539786 --Apple-Mail-42--167539786 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, why is draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctp-chunk-flags-01 listed under 2.1.3, and what = is 2.1.3 in any case? 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tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE803A6A94 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:52:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2IyakEPwosIv for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46D593A6B11 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 08:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB4B9A4782; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:53:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qizeTRevlKT7; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.102] (pool-96-231-149-87.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.231.149.87]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EFE19A4773; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4C9B77D1.8010105@vigilsec.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 11:52:49 -0400 From: Russ Housley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.9) Gecko/20100915 Thunderbird/3.1.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lars Eggert References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "tools-development@ietf.org Development" Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] "For Action"? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 15:52:18 -0000 This happens is someone puts the document on the agenda but the state is not IESG Evaluation. Russ On 9/23/2010 4:17 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: > why is draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctp-chunk-flags-01 listed under 2.1.3, and what is 2.1.3 in any case? Shouldn't it simply be under 2.1? From lars.eggert@nokia.com Thu Sep 23 09:02:40 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A52323A69C1 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:02:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.306 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.306 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.707, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j4qubWwLLJLO for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-sa01.nokia.com (mgw-sa01.ext.nokia.com [147.243.1.47]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7000D3A6A51 for ; Thu, 23 Sep 2010 09:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa01.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id o8NG367c015341 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:03:06 +0300 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.2 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--139581007; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <4C9B77D1.8010105@vigilsec.com> Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:03:00 +0300 Message-Id: <4A098B36-6E33-46A9-9B02-242926DEC3F9@nokia.com> References: <4C9B77D1.8010105@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Thu, 23 Sep 2010 19:03:00 +0300 (EEST) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: "tools-development@ietf.org Development" Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] "For Action"? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 16:02:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail-7--139581007 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ah! I guess I should know that by now... On 2010-9-23, at 18:52, Russ Housley wrote: > This happens is someone puts the document on the agenda but the state = is > not IESG Evaluation. >=20 > Russ >=20 > On 9/23/2010 4:17 AM, Lars Eggert wrote: >> why is draft-ietf-tsvwg-sctp-chunk-flags-01 listed under 2.1.3, and = what is 2.1.3 in any case? 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75.53.54.121 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Setting codesprint goals for IETF79 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:01:27 -0000 We have several things to accomplish during the upcoming codesprint. There are two new tools that should be ready for additional testing and polish - the liaison management tool and the ID submissions tool. We have a growing list of small things to work on that would have high impact for the people that have requested them. The full list is at . Here are a few examples that look addressable at the codesprint. (This is not at all comprehensive:) * Periodically email the list of addresses on any given tools alias = (like rai-ads@ or draft-foo-bar@) to that alias to improve the chances = that lists that are wrong get corrected. * Add a new tab for IPR disclosures (probably showing how many there = are in the tab title: e.g. "IPR disclosures (2)"). * Make it possible for an IESG member to add a comment (for the = document history) in the "change document state" dialog. * Show the date of last change to the various writeups on the page = displayed on the IESG writeups tab.=20 * The Atom feed should include everything in the history tab, not just = the document_comments table.=20 * Allowing search by position: "any AD/AD name" has position "any/Yes/NoObj/Discuss/..." * Show "has IPR disclosures" flag in search result list.=20 There are a few medium sized projects out there that I think could be = done during the sprint, but would have a higher chance of success with a = little bit of exploration/analysis before we get there. Please look through the = list and see if there's something there that would solve a problem you are = having. If you know of something that the sprinters should be working on, but = don't see it on the EnhancementIdeas list, please add it, or send me a quick note and = I'll make sure it gets there. Remember that you can download a current snapshot of the database at any = time. Now might be a good time to bring your local development environment = back into action. If you're new to the sprint or haven't set up a local = environment before, these links will help: If you're able to sprint, but haven't signed up yet, please do so now at From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Mon Sep 27 09:27:16 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A95A53A6C0B for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:27:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.135 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.135 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.503, BAYES_40=-0.185, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xMc72EbQMS+v for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hoffman.proper.com (Hoffman.Proper.COM [207.182.41.81]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF02C3A6BB7 for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:27:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.158] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by hoffman.proper.com (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o8RGRrVv006597 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:27:54 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 09:27:52 -0700 To: tools-development@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Please add a pointer to rfcstrip to tools.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:27:16 -0000 Greetings again. I needed a tool to get rid of the headers/footers/whitespace in an RFC, and Henrik pointed me to . There should be a pointer to that on . --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium