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This is the text of the charter that I proposed on dispatch@ietf.org
yesterday in a screaming hurry after discovering that the deadline had
passed.

If there is anything here that you'd like to have changed, let's
discuss that so that I can provide the dispatch chairs with an update.
Prior to starting a working group, there is plenty of opportunity to
change and refine language.


Charter:

   Many applications require continuous access to network communications
   so that real-time events - such as incoming calls or messages - can
   be conveyed (or "pushed") to the user in a timely fashion.
   Uncoordinated use of the network from multiple applications can
   contribute to unnecessary use of the network on devices.  For
   instance, maintaining sessions can dominate costs over the long term,
   since events are relatively rare.  This is particularly onerous for
   battery-powered devices, on which network communication contributes a
   significant portion of power drain.  Each independent session
   independently incurs overheads, causing unnecessary resource usage on
   devices.

   Several modern computing platforms provide a push notification
   service that consolidates application events, distributing those
   events to applications as they arrive.  The single session avoids
   duplicated overhead costs on devices.

   This working group will develop a protocol that applications can use
   to request the delivery of application data to a device using a
   consolidated push notification service.  This work will include the
   ability to push the same message to multiple devices.  The work may
   include an exemplar protocol for devices registering with push
   services.

   This work will be done in collaboration with the W3C Webapps Working
   Group, who are developing a Web Push API for use in web applications
   (see <http://www.w3.org/TR/push-api/>).

Milestones:

  2015-05 Send web push protocol draft to the IESG as Proposed Standard


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This looks good to me. I think the linkage to w3c webapps push API spec =
is key and I=92m glad to see that reflected here.

Dan

On 19 Jun 2014, at 20:52, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> =
wrote:

> This is the text of the charter that I proposed on dispatch@ietf.org
> yesterday in a screaming hurry after discovering that the deadline had
> passed.
>=20
> If there is anything here that you'd like to have changed, let's
> discuss that so that I can provide the dispatch chairs with an update.
> Prior to starting a working group, there is plenty of opportunity to
> change and refine language.
>=20
>=20
> Charter:
>=20
>   Many applications require continuous access to network =
communications
>   so that real-time events - such as incoming calls or messages - can
>   be conveyed (or "pushed") to the user in a timely fashion.
>   Uncoordinated use of the network from multiple applications can
>   contribute to unnecessary use of the network on devices.  For
>   instance, maintaining sessions can dominate costs over the long =
term,
>   since events are relatively rare.  This is particularly onerous for
>   battery-powered devices, on which network communication contributes =
a
>   significant portion of power drain.  Each independent session
>   independently incurs overheads, causing unnecessary resource usage =
on
>   devices.
>=20
>   Several modern computing platforms provide a push notification
>   service that consolidates application events, distributing those
>   events to applications as they arrive.  The single session avoids
>   duplicated overhead costs on devices.
>=20
>   This working group will develop a protocol that applications can use
>   to request the delivery of application data to a device using a
>   consolidated push notification service.  This work will include the
>   ability to push the same message to multiple devices.  The work may
>   include an exemplar protocol for devices registering with push
>   services.
>=20
>   This work will be done in collaboration with the W3C Webapps Working
>   Group, who are developing a Web Push API for use in web applications
>   (see <http://www.w3.org/TR/push-api/>).
>=20
> Milestones:
>=20
>  2015-05 Send web push protocol draft to the IESG as Proposed Standard
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Webpush mailing list
> Webpush@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webpush


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On 19 June 2014 14:26, Daniel Appelquist <appelquist@gmail.com> wrote:
> This looks good to me. I think the linkage to w3c webapps push API spec i=
s key and I=E2=80=99m glad to see that reflected here.

Absolutely.  I'd consider this to be the main reason for the working
group.  We can only really declare success if the protocol works for
the API.

There may be others who benefit, such as the many developers who might
be able to discard redundant implementations of proprietary protocols
for doing push for different platforms, but the W3C effort is the main
driver here.


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This looks good to me too. Thanks for sending it out!


On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Daniel Appelquist <appelquist@gmail.com>
wrote:

> This looks good to me. I think the linkage to w3c webapps push API spec i=
s
> key and I=E2=80=99m glad to see that reflected here.
>
> Dan
>
> On 19 Jun 2014, at 20:52, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>
> > This is the text of the charter that I proposed on dispatch@ietf.org
> > yesterday in a screaming hurry after discovering that the deadline had
> > passed.
> >
> > If there is anything here that you'd like to have changed, let's
> > discuss that so that I can provide the dispatch chairs with an update.
> > Prior to starting a working group, there is plenty of opportunity to
> > change and refine language.
> >
> >
> > Charter:
> >
> >   Many applications require continuous access to network communications
> >   so that real-time events - such as incoming calls or messages - can
> >   be conveyed (or "pushed") to the user in a timely fashion.
> >   Uncoordinated use of the network from multiple applications can
> >   contribute to unnecessary use of the network on devices.  For
> >   instance, maintaining sessions can dominate costs over the long term,
> >   since events are relatively rare.  This is particularly onerous for
> >   battery-powered devices, on which network communication contributes a
> >   significant portion of power drain.  Each independent session
> >   independently incurs overheads, causing unnecessary resource usage on
> >   devices.
> >
> >   Several modern computing platforms provide a push notification
> >   service that consolidates application events, distributing those
> >   events to applications as they arrive.  The single session avoids
> >   duplicated overhead costs on devices.
> >
> >   This working group will develop a protocol that applications can use
> >   to request the delivery of application data to a device using a
> >   consolidated push notification service.  This work will include the
> >   ability to push the same message to multiple devices.  The work may
> >   include an exemplar protocol for devices registering with push
> >   services.
> >
> >   This work will be done in collaboration with the W3C Webapps Working
> >   Group, who are developing a Web Push API for use in web applications
> >   (see <http://www.w3.org/TR/push-api/>).
> >
> > Milestones:
> >
> >  2015-05 Send web push protocol draft to the IESG as Proposed Standard
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Webpush mailing list
> > Webpush@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webpush
>
> _______________________________________________
> Webpush mailing list
> Webpush@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webpush
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<div dir=3D"ltr">This looks good to me too. Thanks for sending it out!</div=
><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun =
19, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Daniel Appelquist <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:appelquist@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">appelquist@gmail.com</a>&gt;</s=
pan> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">This looks good to me. I think the linkage t=
o w3c webapps push API spec is key and I=E2=80=99m glad to see that reflect=
ed here.<br>


<br>
Dan<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On 19 Jun 2014, at 20:52, Martin Thomson &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:martin.thoms=
on@gmail.com">martin.thomson@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
&gt; This is the text of the charter that I proposed on <a href=3D"mailto:d=
ispatch@ietf.org">dispatch@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; yesterday in a screaming hurry after discovering that the deadline had=
<br>
&gt; passed.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; If there is anything here that you&#39;d like to have changed, let&#39=
;s<br>
&gt; discuss that so that I can provide the dispatch chairs with an update.=
<br>
&gt; Prior to starting a working group, there is plenty of opportunity to<b=
r>
&gt; change and refine language.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Charter:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 Many applications require continuous access to network communic=
ations<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 so that real-time events - such as incoming calls or messages -=
 can<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 be conveyed (or &quot;pushed&quot;) to the user in a timely fas=
hion.<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 Uncoordinated use of the network from multiple applications can=
<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 contribute to unnecessary use of the network on devices. =C2=A0=
For<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 instance, maintaining sessions can dominate costs over the long=
 term,<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 since events are relatively rare. =C2=A0This is particularly on=
erous for<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 battery-powered devices, on which network communication contrib=
utes a<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 significant portion of power drain. =C2=A0Each independent sess=
ion<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 independently incurs overheads, causing unnecessary resource us=
age on<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 devices.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 Several modern computing platforms provide a push notification<=
br>
&gt; =C2=A0 service that consolidates application events, distributing thos=
e<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 events to applications as they arrive. =C2=A0The single session=
 avoids<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 duplicated overhead costs on devices.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 This working group will develop a protocol that applications ca=
n use<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 to request the delivery of application data to a device using a=
<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 consolidated push notification service. =C2=A0This work will in=
clude the<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 ability to push the same message to multiple devices. =C2=A0The=
 work may<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 include an exemplar protocol for devices registering with push<=
br>
&gt; =C2=A0 services.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 This work will be done in collaboration with the W3C Webapps Wo=
rking<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 Group, who are developing a Web Push API for use in web applica=
tions<br>
&gt; =C2=A0 (see &lt;<a href=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/push-api/" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.w3.org/TR/push-api/</a>&gt;).<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Milestones:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; =C2=A02015-05 Send web push protocol draft to the IESG as Proposed Sta=
ndard<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; Webpush mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:Webpush@ietf.org">Webpush@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webpush" target=3D"_b=
lank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webpush</a><br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/webpush</a><br>
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