From sm@elandsys.com Sun Apr 1 10:14:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B8F021F897B for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:14:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fM2XWBvcPDVm for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:13:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FB821F8978 for ; Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.237.107]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q31HDWP6009119 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 1 Apr 2012 10:13:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1333300432; i=@elandsys.com; bh=PEeUZTDf0ynISH/xNIITIhtXRtrpdVirqeF3dDRlsxY=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=ihYz9XHcbc/x5d5Qir7ECPxShPgsDFQs7x9HpKNY+UhK9ign7bIZ/1XowiKiXzhJi TmAunnkDHe3Mq/jQeNOcIbFd+b22YwtCjpR0r79VMAGUHMdzGvl+1ZUdddJ0I15VpZ M4OhKvDJrRoUi6uY/IQIo/FlYbFHiMpp3pALo+08= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1333300432; i=@elandsys.com; bh=PEeUZTDf0ynISH/xNIITIhtXRtrpdVirqeF3dDRlsxY=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=Xo9SwdINK5yA94l2jWoD+oEiujI3JI0Hw3zrTZ8Pjy4PYrRaUyz6/Cii32r6vs3rP 8aGQ8Q//LO/p/5ryKHKlHd4IUZh4+hUiYYpPJSx8raSgwaCbdSA2rRx9YseJ93tSdM xvza4ELdV0HSRyXGNcfKcKpyxBSYd3S5ECHywu1I= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120401094038.08d492b0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 10:11:21 -0700 To: Peter Saint-Andre From: S Moonesamy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: [appsdir] A thank you note X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 17:14:01 -0000 Hi Peter, Thanks for being patient and for all the good advice. You have always been good-humored and responsive despite your busy schedule. It has been a pleasure working with you. Best regards, -sm From stpeter@stpeter.im Thu Apr 5 14:16:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B5221F84FF for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:16:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2rPqgO5NmHnE for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476F321F8474 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 14:16:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-64-101-72-239.cisco.com (unknown [64.101.72.239]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E04F040058; Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:29:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4F7E0BA4.70404@stpeter.im> Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 15:16:20 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120313 Thunderbird/11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: S Moonesamy References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120401094038.08d492b0@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120401094038.08d492b0@elandnews.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 OpenPGP: url=https://stpeter.im/stpeter.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] A thank you note X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2012 21:16:22 -0000 On 4/1/12 11:11 AM, S Moonesamy wrote: > Hi Peter, > > Thanks for being patient and for all the good advice. You have always > been good-humored and responsive despite your busy schedule. It has > been a pleasure working with you. Hi SM, that's very kind of you. I hope that you continue to find it pleasant to work with me in my post-AD life. :) Let me know when you'd like me to start doing AppsDir reviews. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/ From sm@elandsys.com Fri Apr 6 08:57:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BE0D21F85D7 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:57:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.949 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.949 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.650, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JcFad0XqKl5Q for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A24D321F84DC for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.239.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q36FvIR1007982 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Apr 2012 08:57:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1333727851; i=@elandsys.com; bh=/kk6HAwb94xvZlbduMLk/gHxN0u9zQU+y+abyymw5lo=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=yo/3IrpNUiL/JiO3wwuCBduNOPvxoHHmecW2X9MAvJSjagZt5Qlf8gsKan5KgiSgn io90ChiAJhQaOTl0NPNy5VZTOXiCe2IjaPHtgx53ehNjcdk+rPLsnUaP6DjoOUlxU2 2VEk7wADHq5DDnre+puhvX7HhjZnk7riS+3x94cI= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1333727851; i=@elandsys.com; bh=/kk6HAwb94xvZlbduMLk/gHxN0u9zQU+y+abyymw5lo=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=GFZtDprkyHgjhhty+ngx82nR4aBVXJ9hGM187Xt9SOWudTLhGu4SJeOefYnO3LQJz OEQWFCJFH0WmOo4M3SlmEggyxp3OreIxnmRSYxEnr27SoUqAVwXYGiYyH70qQqPJVw V7wk5IQpQEdMebL34VOIE2AMgCjV/66VJ9hmDAJY= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120406081211.09ebbcb8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 08:25:53 -0700 To: Peter Saint-Andre From: SM In-Reply-To: <4F7E0BA4.70404@stpeter.im> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120401094038.08d492b0@elandnews.com> <4F7E0BA4.70404@stpeter.im> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] A thank you note X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:57:35 -0000 Hi Peter, At 14:16 05-04-2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >pleasant to work with me in my post-AD life. :) Let me know when you'd >like me to start doing AppsDir reviews. You are eligible for leave until the last IETF meeting of the year. As you are ok with doing reviews, I'll leave it to you to exercise the option of taking a break during that period whenever you wish. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Fri Apr 6 09:30:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579FB21F85C9 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:30:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.166 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.166 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.433, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wb2Adhz9gBcN for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F30121F84F6 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.239.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q36GUOVo008167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:30:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1333729838; i=@elandsys.com; bh=iIk+pTm+QETO4ezlDkF1dYVzUaAoeMBm5Okd0gbYOEE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=ho/jgqqh6rIDc6GAFZtGatu0tkXWplbCxD9zxmyeltPeW5vsNEiN4myzjhTmWJ+U7 mUXPkybUwvOSbOxoPLfknUp9FWbhDeS2XYYUc6FEM6m61fNh2mI82r0NdkEjaletjw UHAWccFKwH8hCo6xk/BXupMFyO3Dq0rGrN2p2iqw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1333729838; i=@elandsys.com; bh=iIk+pTm+QETO4ezlDkF1dYVzUaAoeMBm5Okd0gbYOEE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=wpLgcVJ7oCrGVIhj+hMMjIBaR5/E85hnHCVqLNwmpAKbGBxx55HaiDrm+sIFW9G7b rtVL+AyjstFFRptM8GO1zW21uFgguA9shVGraF4JJqaPO43r7dHmOfIXO3snr5RRJz BonPdP8YwoSFDE4fr/319suvjm+jEaZwJuzkqeBg= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120406090924.0895f9b0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 09:29:35 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [appsdir] List of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 16:30:44 -0000 Hello, This is the tentative list of drafts for review. The ones in the first part are to be done by next Wednesday. If you have a preference for an assignment, please contact me off-list. As a rule of thumb, the reviewers at the bottom of the tracker ( http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/tracker ) are skipped unless I cannot find anyone available (time, expertise, etc.). I avoid assigning a review to a person who has the same affiliation as the author or if the person contributed to the draft. draft-johansson-loa-registry-04 draft-lear-lisp-nerd-08 draft-ietf-tcpm-3517bis-02 draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-05 draft-dbider-sha2-mac-for-ssh-05 draft-ietf-appsawg-greylisting-06 draft-ietf-conex-concepts-uses-04 draft-ietf-emu-chbind-14 draft-ietf-ipfix-flow-selection-tech-10 draft-ietf-ippm-reporting-metrics-08 draft-ietf-kitten-gssapi-naming-exts-14 draft-ietf-krb-wg-des-die-die-die-04 draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-mib-12 draft-ietf-netmod-smi-yang-04 draft-jivsov-openpgp-ecc-11 draft-templin-aero-10 draft-ietf-cdni-problem-statement-04 Best regards, -sm From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Fri Apr 6 09:46:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9136521F8594 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:46:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1WBcLz69oda3 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [IPv6:2001:760:0:158::29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60E2B21F858F for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 09:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac-allocchio3.elettra.trieste.it (mac-allocchio3.elettra.trieste.it [140.105.2.18]) (authenticated bits=0) by cyrus.dir.garr.it (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q36GjdAg062546 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:45:39 +0200 (CEST) X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v1.0.2 cyrus.dir.garr.it q36GjdAg062546 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=mail; d=garr.it; c=simple; q=dns; b=W6QmknD7AmRpH5Z8due1SqkCXtK2DOuIw29f0E5a766OAHfvQJgn3SIKVet0ekmUl yByi6GZ2LF6OkvApV+r1rjeV/eHMn8kb3mz4PFeiClr4wp5JdhfC2IqoOD4OLmjhiXn 5in/K7WNPtAHY8DavgAAulm3DRdjYRJvDp4B798= Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:45:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@mac-allocchio3.elettra.trieste.it To: SM In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120406090924.0895f9b0@elandnews.com> Message-ID: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120406090924.0895f9b0@elandnews.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] List of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 16:46:01 -0000 On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, SM wrote: > Hello, > > This is the tentative list of drafts for review. The ones in the first part > are to be done by next Wednesday. ... it's Easter holidays (Sat, Sun, Mon) in many countries, starting this evening. I'm off until Tue, and I guess many others are. Review by Wendnesday might be a challenge, unless it really rains a lot in some places :-) well... Happy Easter to all of you! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From lear@cisco.com Fri Apr 6 10:05:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E1121F85E4 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:05:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.506 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MRhLBjJIvqTZ for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ams-iport-2.cisco.com (ams-iport-2.cisco.com [144.254.224.141]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AF5D21F85E1 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:05:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=lear@cisco.com; l=1128; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1333731905; x=1334941505; h=message-id:date:from:mime-version:to:cc:subject: references:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Z/5uGiCAFWLKaNchE7dALjEVMsbQ4DmEVtWOb7pThYE=; b=jU9geRIIpoYC1RjHXF4pu2daeSaUoDVks92bll81GrvPHJ/w+/6vag0A +U0iQG4PBkt9CmPFbSkmXWkJSjlI/oae7zjq9IvUCdrC8T6lm4A3eReQ6 2Qh1kycGz10bEcJIB/I1L0msGefWr7iNyBcpU20A9uPG881Yy4Uk33Evh s=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFAKIhf0+Q/khL/2dsb2JhbABFhW+zLoEHggkBAQEEAQEBDwEQSwoBEAsYAgIFFgsCAgkDAgECARUwBg0BBQIBAR6HbAuaaY0KkmaBL44JgRgElWyOTYFpgmk X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,381,1330905600"; d="scan'208";a="70298648" Received: from ams-core-2.cisco.com ([144.254.72.75]) by ams-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Apr 2012 17:05:03 +0000 Received: from ams3-vpn-dhcp4820.cisco.com (ams3-vpn-dhcp4820.cisco.com [10.61.82.211]) by ams-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q36H53Uv014751; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 17:05:03 GMT Message-ID: <4F7F223E.6020501@cisco.com> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 19:05:02 +0200 From: Eliot Lear User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Claudio Allocchio References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120406090924.0895f9b0@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, SM Subject: Re: [appsdir] List of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:05:07 -0000 I have the same problem. On 4/6/12 6:45 PM, Claudio Allocchio wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Apr 2012, SM wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> This is the tentative list of drafts for review. The ones in the >> first part are to be done by next Wednesday. > > ... it's Easter holidays (Sat, Sun, Mon) in many countries, starting > this evening. I'm off until Tue, and I guess many others are. Review > by Wendnesday might be a challenge, unless it really rains a lot in > some places :-) > > well... Happy Easter to all of you! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Claudio Allocchio G A R R > Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it > Senior Technical Officer > tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; > S=Allocchio; > fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; > C=it; > > PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca > _______________________________________________ > appsdir mailing list > appsdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/appsdir > From sm@elandsys.com Fri Apr 6 10:13:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 651F921F85E1 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:13:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.274 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.274 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.325, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GG9Ry3G7hW2K for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C50F21F85CC for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:13:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.239.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q36HDGFQ001411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:13:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1333732413; i=@elandsys.com; bh=8oT1XzoSzRVOrWFfjKFDz0o2jLj3xIFQOSaJrY4f7Cg=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=jALZs4jgAg93qMlw/5oaH734tQGoa9vl6cd90KdtWV6OEkdYz4Q8SgC567JCgi7BF m9AV11JfXcNdaYocyLfNnPbNOUo/OV4aXleoHO2kSbyhGk3mpnUhO8sAn6JCslnoMp TaaQfL1iuQ3V9qQxuybXxVkzIbV9oXJk8vtLiPsg= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1333732413; i=@elandsys.com; bh=8oT1XzoSzRVOrWFfjKFDz0o2jLj3xIFQOSaJrY4f7Cg=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=yoBRLebTIlrpYUurd0RGi8NsKa+11VvR0nGUN6Gx3b9cKoTETQznDnSCbBpTYG5Tm 4IyyOHINRuzwjpuOggKm4xfADIHsEoUv3p1G0IB3s7MyDXde3FmzLYOpYUNhPAaswx Tt0z3LIPFhmUetjpcBRELn5N4wIPe8lAmcrovgtI= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120406101102.0940fd08@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:12:10 -0700 To: Eliot Lear From: SM In-Reply-To: <4F7F223E.6020501@cisco.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120406090924.0895f9b0@elandnews.com> <4F7F223E.6020501@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] List of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:13:38 -0000 Hi Eliot, At 10:05 06-04-2012, Eliot Lear wrote: >I have the same problem. Thanks for letting me know. If anyone else is off next week, drop me an email off-list. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Fri Apr 6 10:14:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0D2121F85ED for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:14:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.339 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.339 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.260, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IFgY5mXZ0lks for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 155CC21F85CC for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:14:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.239.246]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q36HDGFO001411 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:13:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1333732408; i=@elandsys.com; bh=49bqYEgOlLUOuwIFh1y0QrAqQpCaowYq1UUK0f3horc=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=vV/GkKBDmtnpSliySqD/8XBU0SQoyo4uNz/6qgpxXgmMO7iVhC794H4bVBw9E/ZV2 MKvDFI9w6zSCqRW0EBtdQUSLj4lSlYVpH+h3Q4eCfMfnKh790DKqTc3TYhf6wcT4vH kIcnRgWcPvueuAPhrNpZbq/a/UfPkkV4N/hVc4Jc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1333732408; i=@elandsys.com; bh=49bqYEgOlLUOuwIFh1y0QrAqQpCaowYq1UUK0f3horc=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=mY+DE5yTUz7wgZrHH6Gq11iSI+EyPNP9E8O7rq+EaPIPturktQ7xJl+946Jpa473W jPIwSnqg+PbXnTiytHsTDlIBVKYjnHxp+zA/KDrDveM5Vloxn+wKuPLLwc6ZXwnlnT rI+iHbIW+sYSddvE4a4wOWSHRz2K1W/b9dtIPRY4= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120406095818.0895b0a8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 10:09:00 -0700 To: Claudio Allocchio From: SM In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120406090924.0895f9b0@elandnews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] List of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 17:14:09 -0000 Hi Claudio, At 09:45 06-04-2012, Claudio Allocchio wrote: >... it's Easter holidays (Sat, Sun, Mon) in many countries, starting >this evening. I'm off until Tue, and I guess many others are. Review >by Wendnesday might be a challenge, unless it really rains a lot in >some places :-) Thanks for the reminder about the holidays. There's two short reviews and a long one to be delivered by Wednesday. The rest can wait until the week after. You are not on the assignment list as you did two reviews last month. Best regards, -sm From stpeter@stpeter.im Fri Apr 6 18:07:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C29011E8086 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:07:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.065 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.535, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZBSfeeLqi41h for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from stpeter.im (mailhost.stpeter.im [207.210.219.225]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1145211E8074 for ; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 18:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from squire.local (unknown [216.17.175.160]) (Authenticated sender: stpeter) by stpeter.im (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A2C3C40058; Fri, 6 Apr 2012 19:21:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4F7F9362.1090000@stpeter.im> Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2012 19:07:46 -0600 From: Peter Saint-Andre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.5; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SM References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120401094038.08d492b0@elandnews.com> <4F7E0BA4.70404@stpeter.im> <6.2.5.6.2.20120406081211.09ebbcb8@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120406081211.09ebbcb8@elandnews.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 OpenPGP: url=https://stpeter.im/stpeter.asc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] A thank you note X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2012 01:07:48 -0000 On 4/6/12 9:25 AM, SM wrote: > Hi Peter, > At 14:16 05-04-2012, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> pleasant to work with me in my post-AD life. :) Let me know when you'd >> like me to start doing AppsDir reviews. > > You are eligible for leave until the last IETF meeting of the year. As > you are ok with doing reviews, I'll leave it to you to exercise the > option of taking a break during that period whenever you wish. OK, maybe I'll wait until after IETF 84. :) From sm@elandsys.com Tue Apr 10 11:20:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4834121F85B6 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.481 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.481 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id llVzzLI6YJww for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89DEE21F85A5 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3AIKCvn006528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334082028; i=@elandsys.com; bh=IIXRjNR2X4yYbO/RiE66kCNxxr8iXQW39gX7K6fidh4=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=c10UQiMJqNrxGZsh6+pmYUuxsemFHVkbyLiJ4vc/XZwA+d8G4nlZDgQX1PYVIEILc AVvaazAdQeJBwstM70s4+aIaZWw/dIzhsoPvPzlYaaU/bVdrYygfgsIwP22C0+KST6 J9eAiYl7Lcz6G0X1bSWn+hwFzGf60uASMyfpRmZs= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334082028; i=@elandsys.com; bh=IIXRjNR2X4yYbO/RiE66kCNxxr8iXQW39gX7K6fidh4=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=Na1dVUBdsqcpkQnBo+rQhOv0rTJ3AB44fMHOHZLQrGvpNWhvjA4+JwUQVXZJQ2y3Y XoC0RwYNaDmV4AQ7P3sV/qWTAFbVXLnp0CtglTS8u5jrCH+zN64HewSe4r1GoqPITP LzUk2oPq66v+1d4nthNp8/4h5mg4zCsWUXtutlss= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120410110254.06681f20@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:05:00 -0700 To: Jiankang YAO From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:22:31 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-05 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:20:34 -0000 Hi Jiankang, Could you please review draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-05 by April 17? The administrative details are at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Tue Apr 10 11:20:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C88121F85CC for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.491 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.491 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.108, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aXfdCCOdEVPH for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6557021F85C0 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3AIKCvp006528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334082033; i=@elandsys.com; bh=0uOY5ZgAAHBSmUFsCwiR15lqYKxmJtSaFNWMaB7LNs0=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=ELedfGnbjymOA0Vm7V1u7nW0tFx95xrjbZiCvmulfwN0JpkG0oJL+DntLw5HGih50 iMR37dP/hmXfv02Xi0p35LK4ERRsX36mJRF/9TqWJ28dIKvc52MrU3cnk0Y9dcyT6G T0eT+w7f1ei37hx9pLRvXfzeioAQe37Lm/mA3kQY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334082033; i=@elandsys.com; bh=0uOY5ZgAAHBSmUFsCwiR15lqYKxmJtSaFNWMaB7LNs0=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=TtNrHKxIoyijBG9oGUG3EoueNYece4tdffWIGtYeyQMq0XJFdIYj8psvafAFjlw8k UtBnl25nv3MrwJ/VTyTqLiSYKQhBum6DzA2XM3+zBzvAGMZurioCbBeLkFcB9lCkMd f9TkinOSBhXXltWAnyLk5mmfjdMxlujZbzZbTfFU= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120410110516.066821b0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:06:55 -0700 To: Joseph Yee From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:22:31 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-ietf-appsawg-greylisting-06 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:20:38 -0000 Hi Joseph, [Bcc to appsdir] Could you please review draft-ietf-appsawg-greylisting-06 before April 17? The administrative details are at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Tue Apr 10 11:28:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 153DF21F8658 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.499 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.499 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wdK0oGfiMx82 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF0821F8657 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:28:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3AIS8Zu008502 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:28:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334082502; i=@elandsys.com; bh=u9VjkQMficqviOeqPftZfwCEJRchc1cEtWRCT3TP+pQ=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=vE86NaRwlnf+Aaw56DfcFfP+40H0S8tR1iWfzCUfwSt62yjND22ozUmkzYVCgBe80 UKBFu0Fqnt9t2KB8o3bQeK+A69sITrgWHz9Pp+4sKUbuW4jFliti0/aLjwycgjUveb xHf34OGi/0LSm2BJ54G78H8+EKqn9Vwm4LXZu64o= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334082502; i=@elandsys.com; bh=u9VjkQMficqviOeqPftZfwCEJRchc1cEtWRCT3TP+pQ=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=S2vWhV9DYhjAC74Kl09T8NjZbTMRy6myAZ/yngiqNkH+OkTN0hkQSQQysbP7BxXwT KlEscACVw+TNzHPqtx+gaNxuoY+kvn9cxE8E7IOo69tEDBjWrVl4GGAjPAK49fPRFn R9YBPatYxGHwbAz3PWS8Sy6D+H1vdzAsfLEmstSk= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120410112009.07a6e820@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:27:57 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-dbider-sha2-mac-for-ssh-05 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:28:24 -0000 I'll review draft-dbider-sha2-mac-for-ssh-05. I'll also take a quick look at draft-ietf-conex-concepts-uses-04. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Tue Apr 10 11:31:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4494B21F867B for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.506 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.506 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.093, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JNgOdoTQqnuC for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0533421F8665 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3AIKCvv006528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334082045; i=@elandsys.com; bh=NXFrWF8wRkzcKie9mRhPqTPWBiw5X5HYf07KfXB/Q4c=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=tjPU5rCinkX16suU5HWqxQVNaGYkydAqr9vPCxILjkz+J5426CXPVpFXnRybN2jtl XmrxRnqjqyfygAGd+PSfTskmUYVzt/tu+eQ7D0sv9pUY3Za+ephqmXWBNTrn9/RZN9 GDFPfWtc/M7hEzRUxsBhMokVISvpj9z/ICg/D0mk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334082045; i=@elandsys.com; bh=NXFrWF8wRkzcKie9mRhPqTPWBiw5X5HYf07KfXB/Q4c=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=cvbDuZUYP60BFVTpNSMziampWsfKLRURq655DxHK77XQObxXle7PnNNtceY5y83Zs RW6HynCauMPmssu3n6lREevF4zQN5nOAF7iKLRj7CyV1VfAMyJJSzgp232ZCphbRmW S3mkpBT9nCdR8QhW4jn9dozCC8ZSrdfX373OesPM= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120410111016.07a6db50@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:11:38 -0700 To: William Mills From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:57 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-ietf-kitten-gssapi-naming-exts-14 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:31:27 -0000 Hi William, [Bcc to appsdir] Could you please review draft-ietf-kitten-gssapi-naming-exts-14 before April 17? The administrative details are at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Tue Apr 10 11:31:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E92F21F867E for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.518 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.518 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.081, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e7WL7YzkgtuY for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67CC821F8669 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3AIKCw1006528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334082055; i=@elandsys.com; bh=r8yw6zQUWvL6vI4nZZmHbZbZV3f/4MejXdioO64JrWo=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=vAvKIDIGtgzRTWN5leTEPE3Ab/pGgYJOQ0NIpsqwOgSZ8VUceZTzXEAcvga6Vt57H KG3zIypSyW8p5EU7JbyLdJV0tbCMGVMS+HNnnlx4oG7t/1tGTrhWrC8yC6DipYtSTn vc79cRxCPKcdisSJmMBGjrSillhnQaPYfu2VjaBM= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334082055; i=@elandsys.com; bh=r8yw6zQUWvL6vI4nZZmHbZbZV3f/4MejXdioO64JrWo=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=oFfPI+C1qZCJJizaNfguhonVjio2hnT4+b+GeJ5CEUJJT5gasIfxn9saebl7e6dzk 9H3SAf9ehCe7R6Py8a/PDgI53bCUxfa1uNGFdSd2IKtKx46zgCz7WzyL4AtWRAioo5 zpyV5RgElSjcVDTDk0R+iu1PQrn7tYTflV/KKshQ= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120410111355.07a6e300@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:16:17 -0700 To: Eran Hammer From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:57 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-lear-lisp-nerd-08 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:31:27 -0000 Hi Eran, [Bcc to appsdir] Could you take a quick look at draft-lear-lisp-nerd-08 by tomorrow afternoon? I understand that it is very short notice and you might not have time to do so. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Tue Apr 10 11:31:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8467821F8665 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.512 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.512 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.087, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5HNrICcz7JdA for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD7A921F8664 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3AIKCvr006528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334082037; i=@elandsys.com; bh=aErogMGllmmd7DVgUnWc5mCtbHAq/2wVmEuj8dUFIes=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=0daTSTiGdVYBs86Bqa01L0mOwc3MPC2kIzZCpI/twvMKDdYNaBtjb8Q8ZVZn9JYM+ UZV7EEwx8VG1QsJy73Qb9pTPG6gBWT7DDmV8h7/8qJZsGQ2E0s/8fqvz/5oJPMiWku lK9EvCiSZTbnh+cCD2BopkHd2EbCA71By8ASBQyc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334082037; i=@elandsys.com; bh=aErogMGllmmd7DVgUnWc5mCtbHAq/2wVmEuj8dUFIes=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=JVgOj+cDeGR3hwWgvK7w4NchLaxcVwe11QzGCSIE7q2BUTwfJWcPJ7ijfj7Vd/51J xtwCIdELot8VWvaOnZHD8mE6A7Q5DQD2wu6Pnz+6/Yc9AJQPeMTsKPuBMbOSPX8KZQ KDE5PMnzxZyN8gLC2YrW98wMfEzWxa9wCmmB1/UI= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120410110706.07a6d4e8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:08:46 -0700 To: Yoshiro YONEYA From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:57 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-ietf-emu-chbind-14 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:31:27 -0000 Hi Yoshiro, [Bcc to appsdir] Could you please review draft-ietf-emu-chbind-14 before April 17? The administrative details are at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Tue Apr 10 11:31:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA5B21F8669 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.523 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.523 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.076, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pb3KCvOcHgdn for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FD8821F8666 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3AIKCvx006528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334082050; i=@elandsys.com; bh=4Zik5ckRovDVDIaH679tbuTi9oz5JX9Hxx7iKiNpkRw=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=GlFv8SXgGidlyjcZvSLYtMzU0EYz1aT4yvN7VevTfrFc/7yLtw20Y91T4h71+477q +xhglK2Pixf6JsBHlrj/66p/LnapBbxSe6wSrsn/+LRX8uqJHYvIAOIB+a0xQF4Gl/ kobrjAm9IotLQvEfRk8/Bvh/z8UC66lxtolj75Rk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334082050; i=@elandsys.com; bh=4Zik5ckRovDVDIaH679tbuTi9oz5JX9Hxx7iKiNpkRw=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=GnlQWZYsSumyJH1QpChBdMfNFP9E6rBsfaE5SVd+lZbkuzp46deVAyTDylRsYP/1A GD8Ex1CWCFn+w26DpsMrGdC0bjn4Iid1Djk8Kwd/X0XASRALZ76xHBdZnHvEFDAkKV a+lHgZfsQOtzwodd8tDNSfUAysZMqXmq2m0Z8Fzw= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120410111146.07a6dde0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:13:03 -0700 To: Tobias Gondrom From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:57 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-ietf-krb-wg-des-die-die-die-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:31:27 -0000 Hi Tobias, [Bcc to appsdir] Could you please review draft-ietf-krb-wg-des-die-die-die-04 before April 17? The administrative details are at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Tue Apr 10 11:31:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D652A21F8664 for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.527 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.527 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.072, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id niYhmRHg5yMb for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9756421F866A for ; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.8]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3AIKCw3006528 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:20:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334082059; i=@elandsys.com; bh=V9Uxwv6aXbml+TIjKZ425cJXi4vgMFeFoVMOJo7/DuE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=XFJCTGpX82d8GPbsCTxaWAVDOYNYFdl6iX7vqRA5wU8eUbsyPOxRP41kytuFIcRJV jWVK7wC/k8lEO1hdyx4TSeG+O7VuPcy0n4rbIevVq7JoBlHd3qesEzVDbmw0uqAB7E hoGLL/Ku5+VKSbgTdft3lt6GVzUZZE95nQaXxe3c= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334082059; i=@elandsys.com; bh=V9Uxwv6aXbml+TIjKZ425cJXi4vgMFeFoVMOJo7/DuE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=two7tT1vEDSuh1DJ3ESWRupcSVAiCf3dAWPPnjSoGr6kkB2Su3P4k/RH1UnEpXGjj E6kAOCkLcdT2Qbcj+PbZDp97jL5t2BsVHIB6QbAbNdR2Kg3ojeMhTbBeodkRbT6mwT 0lrAjdTLEHTLlGdih4N24/R8IvT3iRxr3cTaBr8Q= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120410111629.07a6e590@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:18:20 -0700 To: "Vijay K. Gurbani" From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 11:31:57 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-ietf-cdni-problem-statement-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 18:31:28 -0000 Hi Vijay, [Bcc to appsdir] Could you please review draft-ietf-cdni-problem-statement-04 before April 17? The administrative details are at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Wed Apr 11 02:30:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A21821F86FD; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:30:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.547 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.547 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.052, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RWzRVByfz7EC; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CA0921F86F1; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.234.247]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3B9TkBg004420 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:29:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334136600; i=@elandsys.com; bh=UH8Dobnb4TkFPeNF/7Ib0vZnviF69Bz7wsHxB1NhcbI=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=Cbz+7fXqfg6S7qS8aOhngaeauErvwu+FHth9Y9TYDU0bVbGiDKaTXMXtFdg0Q0oo5 CZn2ccO20o1yL0Q7XgoSzUFrv+hOuQjmwzBiNOMDq/6ExWdUae61mz5sD6824J4KdH Hr5I0P33jh0dpy19PerY5A6Qhxsrjef1zmLDoFOQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334136600; i=@elandsys.com; bh=UH8Dobnb4TkFPeNF/7Ib0vZnviF69Bz7wsHxB1NhcbI=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=WiJ8UVilFcj3Av53YGzg0ihJ97hAh2G68QqUUoLQVTnjKjDOkwJE4QPsjzN6hWY8U lMqf3sL7V+kLT2e+9Jcm4hUcnqOO/YFAVI96vwCaaBEwB9MfwajL6ONCTd/iJxh7UE Gy+6pfH5q2J8WB4HdaOYEjP1HAgUKh7nCq44VryY= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:25:36 -0700 To: apps-discuss@ietf.org From: S Moonesamy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:30:08 -0000 Hello, I'll comment on the template used for Applications Area Directorate (AppsDir) reviews as it may help authors to respond to the reviews. "Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft." In plain English, this means that the comments in the review does not bear more weight than a comment submitted by an individual during a Last Call. The Applications Area Directors may or may not agree with the comments of the AppsDir reviewer. The Applications Area Directorate does not have any veto power on a draft. It is suggested that the author(s) asks the document shepherd (RFC 4858) or the Area Director who sponsored the draft for guidance about IETF process, changes that should be made, whether to post a new revision, etc. A review generally list issues as major or minor. I'll use a review performed by Ted Hardie as an example ( http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04847.html ). The reviewer explained why he considered some issues as major. The author discussed about the issues with the reviewer ( http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04859.html ). There isn't a clear-cut rule on what is a major or minor issue. It's up to the reviewer to make a judgement call. It is up to the author(s), or working group, to decide about whether these issues should be resolved and how to do so. Some AppsDir reviews may list nits. These nits are generally editorial issues. For example: "I personally found the Introduction somewhat hard to parse" That doesn't mean that the author has to make changes to the Introduction section. It's an editorial decision. It's up to the authors to determine whether the text should be changed so that the reader can understand it. Regards, S. Moonesamy From dhc@dcrocker.net Wed Apr 11 08:39:54 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 480DD11E8088; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:39:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KVqFvYcBA4tE; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8956811E8085; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-127-58-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.58.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q3BFda93030701 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:39:40 -0700 Message-ID: <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:39:33 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: S Moonesamy References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 08:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:39:54 -0000 On 4/11/2012 2:25 AM, S Moonesamy wrote: > > In plain English, this means that the comments in the review does not bear more > weight than a comment submitted by an individual during a Last Call. SM, It might be worth adding simple language like this to our material, including the apps area review team web page AND the template. The essence of directorate-based reviews is perspective, not authority. In our case, it supplies a review from someone with an applications-oriented perspective. What should matter, therefore, are the merits of the review and not the body "authorizing" it. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From msk@cloudmark.com Wed Apr 11 09:28:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A63BA11E8089 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:28:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.514 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.514 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.085, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kb2lZ69V+Fgn for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:28:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cloudmark.com (cmgw1.cloudmark.com [208.83.136.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F24A821F858F for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:28:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com ([72.5.239.25]) by mail.cloudmark.com with bizsmtp id wgTz1i0010ZaKgw01gTzJB; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:27:59 -0700 X-CMAE-Match: 0 X-CMAE-Score: 0.00 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=HuX06jvS c=1 sm=1 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:17 a=LvckAehuu68A:10 a=OsLRAgjgfhMA:10 a=zutiEJmiVI4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=LQcigEgVJn5rR9JZyfoA:9 a=U8xenhLcuBezkKnEm5YA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:117 Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 09:27:45 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "appsdir@ietf.org" , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [apps-discuss] [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews Thread-Index: AQHNF/leTGpOPedjX0mdSf3zDHtLeZaVzjXg Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:27:44 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280D3639@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> In-Reply-To: <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.20.2.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cloudmark.com; s=default; t=1334161680; bh=UMkRisjbGftE3bkLItijXvyarREs1umqLb1oPglXC9g=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=IIQk24iCiJzowdxWHKa7bWU/iCsX49K7nuT7O5pPOX2f4VBOTP/hAXvQT8y6ax/Yp UT3IXDfkVpHykpSsdpldJXcQdAya9Quiz3ajPJng8flGIqelt76LhaRGk8wDLLWXdp 5NWIdQFUO/Wn2JBku8yRBPiqHnHo5jFe8b6/IKm4= Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:28:03 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:apps-discuss-bounces@ietf.org= ] On Behalf Of Dave Crocker > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:40 AM > To: S Moonesamy > Cc: appsdir@ietf.org; apps-discuss@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Dir= ectorate reviews >=20 > > In plain English, this means that the comments in the review does not > > bear more weight than a comment submitted by an individual during a > > Last Call. >=20 > It might be worth adding simple language like this to our material, > including the apps area review team web page AND the template. >=20 > The essence of directorate-based reviews is perspective, not authority. >=20 > In our case, it supplies a review from someone with an applications- > oriented perspective. What should matter, therefore, are the merits of > the review and not the body "authorizing" it. I think that's a laudable goal, but there are constant reminders that direc= torate reviews at least appear to carry more weight since their association= with authority (the ADs in particular) is difficult to obscure. Often I s= ee DISCUSSes posted based solely on the fact that a review team or director= ate did a review but it was not addressed. Further, those reviews are refe= renced in the DISCUSS as (for example) "the review done by Murray Kucherawy= of the Applications Directorate", rather than just by name. It's true that we're volunteers, but being appointed to the directorate doe= s mean someone thinks you're an expert at something. This paragraph of SM's message captures it better, I think, though I would = change the word "veto" to something else: The Applications Area Directors may or may not agree with the comments of t= he AppsDir reviewer. The Applications Area Directorate does not have any = veto power on a draft. It is suggested that the author(s) asks the document shepherd (RFC 4858) or the Area Director who sp= onsored the draft for guidance about IETF process, changes that should be m= ade, whether to post a new revision, etc. -MSK From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Wed Apr 11 13:53:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0A711E80D0; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:53:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KWtV5QAupyos; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:53:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [IPv6:2001:760:0:158::29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C9E11E80B8; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from webcam1-all.garrtest.units.it (webcam1-all.garrtest.units.it [140.105.201.5]) (authenticated bits=0) by cyrus.dir.garr.it (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3BKqmqu074623 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:52:50 +0200 (CEST) X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v1.0.2 cyrus.dir.garr.it q3BKqmqu074623 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=mail; d=garr.it; c=simple; q=dns; b=jm20gW1AIwV0vqBfA3N1D6n3XThnuWUBXbIdS1YpFsRRYY1FVIQInDEi+H72HtHcK m767Ll6b+y9oxr+2PQLvnZt0PgdVpv0jdc0ENwFi09Cq9LLNDEAwCCiTK9XxaLG+Suq Xn+OtakCd4MdOJ0YxMuZBA+5qk9O56L3ahyBSaM= Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:52:47 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@webcam1-all.garrtest.units.it To: dcrocker@bbiw.net In-Reply-To: <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> Message-ID: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, S Moonesamy , apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:53:23 -0000 On Wed, 11 Apr 2012, Dave Crocker wrote: > > > On 4/11/2012 2:25 AM, S Moonesamy wrote: >> >> In plain English, this means that the comments in the review does not bear more >> weight than a comment submitted by an individual during a Last Call. > > > SM, > > It might be worth adding simple language like this to our material, including > the apps area review team web page AND the template. > > The essence of directorate-based reviews is perspective, not authority. > > In our case, it supplies a review from someone with an applications-oriented > perspective. What should matter, therefore, are the merits of the review and > not the body "authorizing" it. +1 I write (in private) exactly the same idea this morning, and as I seem not to be alone with it, it might be a good idea! > > d/ > -- > > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > bbiw.net > _______________________________________________ > apps-discuss mailing list > apps-discuss@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/apps-discuss > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From sm@elandsys.com Wed Apr 11 13:53:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE7911E80DC; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:53:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.549 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.549 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.050, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bhh0OxfLZewy; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74CA211E80B8; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:53:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.234.247]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3BKqrjx025521 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:53:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334177599; i=@elandsys.com; bh=59G4Hn8OCDTkYtV6akLMF2EFI7LCKGkVIzSohBV2624=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=1b5dYGZZ/awZL0cxUySxlWHQJA1ovsKuAXdZd2vB2d/MKul/bJc8AhrKG9XNDah1H MeJJ4ozp23v41EGvqZZMbqUOKT6Vk2nj9+ZPgRdJk72SyM/ErrBMLovQ7EKjP09Dit EaxNZ0Vd4pG2QVCy545aQZrXOq1/OlZTUttVffNo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334177599; i=@elandsys.com; bh=59G4Hn8OCDTkYtV6akLMF2EFI7LCKGkVIzSohBV2624=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=YJM0AnaROLCEMizmtI14BTl0ins/Vjt4Zhw+A1BQLxdXM761QDBf/1Kuu/TOSE58o pzfF/v7OFcZfjmtnlx6ij7BaUOKjfuSsxWy1vC7E27ZVEPAsArOlnlOD6D13msRzXl qu3xLjE/gU/TGXdaCoJopZXOYFTu4RsxtWhYl5e0= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411102722.08f818f8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 13:47:03 -0700 To: dcrocker@bbiw.net, "Murray S. Kucherawy" From: S Moonesamy In-Reply-To: <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 20:53:47 -0000 At 08:39 11-04-2012, Dave Crocker wrote: >It might be worth adding simple language like this to our material, including >the apps area review team web page AND the template. I'll add it the AppsDir Wiki. >The essence of directorate-based reviews is perspective, not authority. > >In our case, it supplies a review from someone with an applications-oriented >perspective. What should matter, therefore, are the merits of the review and >not the body "authorizing" it. Yes. At 09:27 11-04-2012, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >I think that's a laudable goal, but there are constant reminders >that directorate reviews at least appear to carry more weight since >their association with authority (the ADs in The guidance at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview says: "What to Look For The most important item is to give the Apps ADs a sense of how important it is that they pay attention to the document." That applies for reviews performed by the Application Area Directorate. > particular) is difficult to obscure. Often I see DISCUSSes posted > based solely on the > fact that a review team or directorate did a review but it was not > addressed. Further, those reviews are referenced in the DISCUSS as > (for example) "the review done by Murray Kucherawy of the > Applications Directorate", rather than just by name. If someone from a review team or directorate did a review, it is likely because some AD sees a benefit is getting their perspective. If the issues pointed out in the review have not been addressed and an AD thinks that it is worthy of a DISCUSS, it is within their prerogative to do so. Maybe the "Applications Directorate" part was added to acknowledge the effort. >It's true that we're volunteers, but being appointed to the >directorate does mean someone thinks you're an expert at something. If a person joins the directorate, it means: (a) that the person will perform document reviews as requested by the Application Area Directors. (b) that the person implicitly acknowledges that he can comment on a particular subject and provide relevant technical arguments. As the reviews are posted to an IETF mailing list which is open to everyone who cares to join it, the community can assess the expertise of the person (see point (b)). If a person are still on the Application Area Directorate, it means: (i) that the person can still commit your time to perform document reviews as requested by the Application Area Directors. (ii) Someone thinks that the person have contributed the expertise and experience he said he had through AppsDir reviews. >This paragraph of SM's message captures it better, I think, though I >would change the word "veto" to something else: I chose "veto" instead of an euphemism so that the reader does not have to second-guess what I meant. Regards, S. Moonesamy From msk@cloudmark.com Wed Apr 11 14:33:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB00621F84D2 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:33:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.525 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.525 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.074, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HR4x27G3+qhd for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.cloudmark.com (cmgw1.cloudmark.com [208.83.136.25]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5196E21F84C9 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:33:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ht1-outbound.cloudmark.com ([72.5.239.25]) by mail.cloudmark.com with bizsmtp id wlZ21i0010ZaKgw01lZ2oS; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:33:02 -0700 X-CMAE-Match: 0 X-CMAE-Score: 0.00 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=JPe5Qr2b c=1 sm=1 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:17 a=LvckAehuu68A:10 a=yxIi0zTuf70A:10 a=zutiEJmiVI4A:10 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=wPPvXI8NAAAA:8 a=k7Ga1wGzAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=KNXWKSl9tpG3gR-WX3EA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=pOcSzP0BEVkA:10 a=fcAx7uNQz4EA:10 a=lZB815dzVvQA:10 a=LdFkGDrDWH2mcjCZERnC4w==:117 Received: from EXCH-MBX901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::addf:849a:f71c:4a82]) by exch-htcas901.corp.cloudmark.com ([fe80::2524:76b6:a865:539c%10]) with mapi id 14.01.0355.002; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:12:07 -0700 From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" To: "apps-discuss@ietf.org" , "appsdir@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews Thread-Index: AQHNGCZUJ9imLJvYjE2nZmT/izqMDZaWHK9g Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:12:07 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280D3BE0@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20120411102722.08f818f8@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411102722.08f818f8@elandnews.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.20.2.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cloudmark.com; s=default; t=1334179982; bh=fAkHrrhO57e8MMP/SMSGme9FaYPxld/cd0V9qnnSNu4=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=nB+kOrGJ1XLHu8nZWzIybHq7IuCmuoaU9LHWYVDN547pj3HVKt8556HzHROqB4J8w sldK5EfpLfD0XsFmBlPXMKWpuoP55kcfJeJqdeLVvfSKgBlmRwq9FZ7ddmNbPTKwaY +kti+7LhcSJgAXQcJb7DXcDdQpph9YpYo5I+PSGQ= Subject: Re: [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:33:36 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: S Moonesamy [mailto:sm+ietf@elandsys.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 1:47 PM > To: dcrocker@bbiw.net; Murray S. Kucherawy > Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org; appsdir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Directorate review= s >=20 > If someone from a review team or directorate did a review, it is likely > because some AD sees a benefit is getting their perspective. If the > issues pointed out in the review have not been addressed and an AD > thinks that it is worthy of a DISCUSS, it is within their prerogative > to do so. > [...] I think most of what you said is geared toward those of us that are already= part of AppsDir. I'm talking from the perspective of people who receive t= hese reviews, especially those of us less familiar with the process. And from my own experience as an author, for reasons I mentioned earlier, i= t certainly seems as if directorate reviews get more attention than individ= ual ones even though we disclaim that in the boilerplate at the top. -MSK From cabo@tzi.org Wed Apr 11 14:42:49 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DF111E80E9; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:42:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.459 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.459 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.210, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9MyXDf26pBlP; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:42:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93DA311E80DC; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 14:42:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.120]) by informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q3BLgVra022470; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:42:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.217.105] (p5489ADE7.dip.t-dialin.net [84.137.173.231]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp-fb3.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A557D5BB; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:42:31 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280D3BE0@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 23:42:30 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <70570E58-94E5-4BDF-A6F0-A358EB9893BE@tzi.org> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20120411102722.08f818f8@elandnews.com> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280D3BE0@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) Cc: "appsdir@ietf.org" , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:42:49 -0000 On Apr 11, 2012, at 23:12, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > And from my own experience as an author, for reasons I mentioned = earlier, it certainly seems as if directorate reviews get more attention = than individual ones even though we disclaim that in the boilerplate at = the top. And, like for any kind of cross-area review they *should* get good = attention, please! So the de-facto status is not a bug, but a feature. We should just make sure to make very clear that there is no formal = status, so the WG is as free to process (as, in, heed or discard) advice = as for any other kind of more or less informed advice, including direct = advice from an AD outside the formal ballot process. 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Kucherawy" To: "apps-discuss@ietf.org" , "appsdir@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [apps-discuss] [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews Thread-Index: AQHNGCwGK8fP/yHK7kGlotQbk297PZaWKFOQ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:45:55 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280D3CF3@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20120411102722.08f818f8@elandnews.com> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280D3BE0@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> <70570E58-94E5-4BDF-A6F0-A358EB9893BE@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <70570E58-94E5-4BDF-A6F0-A358EB9893BE@tzi.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.20.2.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cloudmark.com; s=default; t=1334180772; bh=L3GklM8EdHtt4lk8Mjs8i8S8BCwEAEQDppKZ7Oal8VA=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=u1cGD8Xasgm8cnTQaMRbD58TexXECdAtu5mjiziZCa3QnpqHnBEvJeQsq9zdahSd6 /Q3UWJqcALWG73EH+uKCWVGExMSugW5IB3Tnqc5V6jCJUOc6T4i4sHiPGC9VJCBVho /ywcUHp4pqWM6fM1YKawSxbUhiU3apmHH9HlLZDI= Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:46:09 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Carsten Bormann [mailto:cabo@tzi.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:43 PM > To: Murray S. Kucherawy > Cc: apps-discuss@ietf.org; appsdir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [apps-discuss] [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Dir= ectorate reviews >=20 > And, like for any kind of cross-area review they *should* get good attent= ion, please! > So the de-facto status is not a bug, but a feature. I totally agree. I just don't want us to go too far claiming they won't ge= t special attention when they often do. It seems misleading at best. -MSK From dhc@dcrocker.net Wed Apr 11 15:02:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBF811E80DB; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:02:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VzLYQXV31mbt; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sbh17.songbird.com (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7ECF411E80CC; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-127-58-62.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net [67.127.58.62]) (authenticated bits=0) by sbh17.songbird.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q3BM1eME007159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:01:44 -0700 Message-ID: <4F85FF41.4060502@dcrocker.net> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:01:37 -0700 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120327 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Murray S. Kucherawy" References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280D3639@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280D3639@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0 (sbh17.songbird.com [72.52.113.17]); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Cc: "appsdir@ietf.org" , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: dcrocker@bbiw.net List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 22:02:07 -0000 On 4/11/2012 9:27 AM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > I think that's a laudable goal, but there are constant reminders that > directorate reviews at least appear to carry more weight since their > association with authority (the ADs in particular) is difficult to obscure. > Often I see DISCUSSes posted based solely on the fact that a review team or > directorate did a review but it was not addressed. Further, those reviews > are referenced in the DISCUSS as (for example) "the review done by Murray > Kucherawy of the Applications Directorate", rather than just by name. ... On 4/11/2012 2:12 PM, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > And from my own experience as an author, for reasons I mentioned earlier, it > certainly seems as if directorate reviews get more attention than individual > ones even though we disclaim that in the boilerplate at the top. Note that when an IAB person speaks in a working group, the fact of their affiliation does weight heavily in psychological terms, but they have no /formal/ status in the wg. I think the same applies here. Yes, it's "notable" that the review is from a directorate, but the formal status is that it's just another review. That some folk like ADs pay special attention might well be true, but it might be good and it might be problematic. It's a separable issue that's their own choice and not a de jure formality. Those of us writing and pursuing our reviews need to keep in mind that the formal status is that it has not formal status. The review is our personal comments. d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From sm@elandsys.com Wed Apr 11 17:55:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD4F21F84A2; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:55:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.551 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.551 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4i4NnZmoInYJ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E59221F849A; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:55:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.234.167]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3C0tbHq012613 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:55:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334192150; i=@elandsys.com; bh=mijIYluSYmT1h06+xM01v94wMRq/mbRrVCaCM8zWEw4=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc; b=QVcxp0MgGH3DiXHZKOrvu2yKq3lInOx74ZqI0XoosihsYmgFGkol30UHAwv1YuTua pu0chEsO9eUjdp1GcQHIhWMcWZgRU1YoktOgU/Fokycuz11S5XPnTDW9n4jQqT6Com BZb3sw0TxXVHd0eO8bL0AfV6fQZMpf3O7caHZ33o= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334192150; i=@elandsys.com; bh=mijIYluSYmT1h06+xM01v94wMRq/mbRrVCaCM8zWEw4=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc; b=XB2tZ8CRVUhwVOKSt+Qp1ssh0LRZy+atdzrXd6xA+egH6AGvT6dCE83feuw91+N50 Ood36YotinD8H3FMR/c+UWKiaKIVMZbjhiGpm9nHfAkogTnQInbg0GYVJ61iSyaQk/ sBbq2h2iAuHUpO4dkosMQ5n7M+myqCt3o3t75hLg= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411145300.0737c1c0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 17:34:36 -0700 To: apps-discuss@ietf.org, appsdir@ietf.org From: S Moonesamy In-Reply-To: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280D3BE0@exch-mbx901.corp.cl oudmark.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> <6.2.5.6.2.20120411102722.08f818f8@elandnews.com> <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280D3BE0@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:55:55 -0000 Hi Murray, At 14:12 11-04-2012, Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: >And from my own experience as an author, for reasons I mentioned >earlier, it certainly seems as if directorate reviews get more >attention than individual ones even though we disclaim that in the >boilerplate at the top. I agree that directorate reviews get more attention. Dave commented on the psychological aspect. The candid answer is at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04899.html If the Apps ADs ask me about this matter, I will give them the same answer. If an author of a draft which has been reviewed by AppsDir considers the answer as inappropriate, I suggest that he/she files a complaint with the Apps ADs as that's a problem for them to address in any manner they wish. Regards, S. Moonesamy From sm@elandsys.com Thu Apr 12 08:13:44 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5AE721F85D5 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:13:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.553 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.553 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XztrkydI8tCP for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 855D121F8539 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.236.53]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3CFDNdH018901 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:13:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334243621; i=@elandsys.com; bh=fa6jNfcJdlbvJ+0lzG4gT5sMP8pSDVDG7kvFo4cGlyg=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=m/FiNq69u1r/le/jGCmpExrivN0w2Zz6TZhta6Pr9gdu0on8ppNFJ5a2ROUIKpeA1 VQbtZw37Uuos2kGmQtHhCQkTZNSUhjMyau2bD+pBHUp0yfmEygbwmh+uyTiJvEhX3m QugL1f1Y+/a2Q6lXr+5qpbg/9XrR9EWDUssYpCyY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334243621; i=@elandsys.com; bh=fa6jNfcJdlbvJ+0lzG4gT5sMP8pSDVDG7kvFo4cGlyg=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=pjIXfgdCdWTPJQAC9DS0RGh/zOXjCSfa3zv7VtM1n0LAiiFLjwTSJ6knsJ9ICp+S3 A8p83hPpHfRkOaK5NOXQW7MlCPIzUcjSUXboGnvcxf6M1MOFuKH8tKsiXcHoNbnknj 4RQSsP+dFHP/DUrIOmp+rw5p3zfiNfIEwAFmVNho= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120412074618.0ae6ad48@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:48:25 -0700 To: Alexey Melnikov From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 08:27:24 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-ietf-dane-protocol-19 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 15:13:44 -0000 Hi Alexey, Could you please review draft-ietf-dane-protocol-19 before April 24? Thanks, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Thu Apr 12 09:35:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B00E21F86A5 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:35:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.554 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bAg4vUWXJ5fP for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5C1021F8646 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:35:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.236.53]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3CGZAiD010920 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:35:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334248524; i=@elandsys.com; bh=BdfstpNQeQFF2mVKl+TUp52omPNQ6BfPb7FjtuTxJ2g=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=SddSBc+pBMzvh49swgCcM0aODELDjVp7DnpoMIADxba/KsKGpZ6Nn3KDGITVvUdF9 StDrTFL7SRzrDGyNcOMuaKJcLkiHd5B2VLvpj4epWMMm2hjSiXvuXjgUmIsP0WB0yY 6QZJWEkeyZK7AoqBDqnm4nPzE7mqhCqz1LLl9xeU= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334248524; i=@elandsys.com; bh=BdfstpNQeQFF2mVKl+TUp52omPNQ6BfPb7FjtuTxJ2g=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=JwVNMxnruWDbPsN905xwkB9p8/Q6eg6nZjOuHA2rRG4PD6k1qqdaR86pKDK16GiM4 hwAfSHULIIFHnAnTPL1Z62+p04n0f3nsOVLGHht7R649F+8cHybLEG0hnT1mzTtI8c uFb8jWbN5utSDY+WtjmESBIyHZJWZobeOlXc5+F8= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120412092153.09b56af8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:33:13 -0700 To: Peter Saint-Andre From: SM In-Reply-To: <4F86FA94.6060101@stpeter.im> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120412074618.0ae6ad48@elandnews.com> <4F86F929.2000007@stpeter.im> <6.2.5.6.2.20120412085017.09d3fd88@elandnews.com> <4F86FA94.6060101@stpeter.im> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 09:35:56 -0700 Cc: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Subject: Re: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-ietf-dane-protocol-19 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 16:35:31 -0000 Hi Peter, {Bcc to appsdir] Could you please review draft-ietf-dane-protocol-19 by April 24? As a note to Murray, the requests to Alexey and Peter is not because the last review was not a good one. As they are going to review the draft anyway, it makes sense to file it through AppsDir as one of the authors requested Apps input on apps-discuss. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Fri Apr 13 13:03:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D5521F84DA for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:03:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.556 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.556 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.043, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZxNgAOhAlBK8 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7256211E8093 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:03:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.234.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3DK36vX002694 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:03:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334347403; i=@elandsys.com; bh=mPcAFtPl2YQx5XVLxzfq4I5S6hAaCTT8qbPjBGH3Pxw=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc; b=B/VYs9T50F6bnQIDRXDfuo7XhfI1FhV/5vgnKGIvGT9EwvPhXbq+IQVmS/FdYNcnU yo29cAF8pOvKI2DSlpX/EUdNt0HkoFjMnlpT4uO1zngsp7dmUsEoQ/o7CtEeERU6g0 r6udOuxrfAVLThpv1gFGmdJ/V4zffLQbrw4U4nyw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334347403; i=@elandsys.com; bh=mPcAFtPl2YQx5XVLxzfq4I5S6hAaCTT8qbPjBGH3Pxw=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc; b=Gt2/N0LKbfdJQ/dnFz3JKwvplzvurHteZajMYFoZ718P/s83LgWeGFeUqtNgQjgDn GiEu5Cw3D3ADlKnzsnx6iaOi4LLGZpYLvv4Y6KF9B409OYY5tesPbKiPH7495kuU+8 Om/bAPu4OFEpEz/yPBuAyf0SNa0coaFlaNuH5bMw= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120413115007.09e3ece0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:05:00 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM In-Reply-To: <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F85A5B5.4030202@dcrocker.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [appsdir] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:03:38 -0000 At 08:39 11-04-2012, Dave Crocker wrote: >It might be worth adding simple language like this to our material, including >the apps area review team web page AND the template. I added a pointer to the information on the http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/ApplicationsAreaDirectorate page. The actual text is at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/template Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Sat Apr 14 02:38:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7709921F85B8 for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:38:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.042, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I0YH6cUaLM+K for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48D8F21F85AE for ; Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:38:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.234.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3E9cC4N028117 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:38:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334396310; i=@elandsys.com; bh=GkPPH2VuCo5cCFgiCrHqeNpMqB+LUk97v9eya7kOjMM=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=QO/tCHVoxNjgixEGb+J7iSKLMnfJ4se34GM0NzvKKF4Cwn9PJHC2Uk7bgUnz8yvPD vK5az0LxreW1yg1G8yDysSakfTspqHsWNxPzzCnPkDnxeQnuX1evlWOexgoFR8/cie Fl3r2pzUVNK6huzxuzanIu00YsEC2YUyvLxWK/68= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334396310; i=@elandsys.com; bh=GkPPH2VuCo5cCFgiCrHqeNpMqB+LUk97v9eya7kOjMM=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=UA6UMkA3i+n8nlpi6SgNl9u9ET6LuhIpoDFWVS4sf5XaHbdHdmN3oy6/8dQI/p2/T zqCHIeF0qvaNyXx17mBbxOg6lIP5+t+IlqW07fmO9p+5gcu9VmU2YqHJ//OEuUTJlS 7w2drCgr9tH/vBBJpmDM0tfOuzRgRnfIXOo+zEnQ= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120414014111.08cfd448@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 02:36:02 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: John Klensin , Joseph Yee Subject: [appsdir] Review of EAI documents X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 09:38:36 -0000 This is a head-up about the upcoming AppsDir reviews of draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-03, draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis-04, draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-03 and draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-04. There will be two independent AppsDir reviews for each of the drafts (eight reviews altogether). Best regards, -sm From Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Sun Apr 15 03:49:09 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14CC21F8732 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:49:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WtsUXjU5qJIG for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:49:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cyrus.dir.garr.it (cyrus.dir.garr.it [IPv6:2001:760:0:158::29]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C284121F86C7 for ; Sun, 15 Apr 2012 03:49:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mac-allocchio3.garrtest.units.it (mac-allocchio3.garrtest.units.it [140.105.201.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by cyrus.dir.garr.it (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3FAmgwF036774 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 15 Apr 2012 12:48:43 +0200 (CEST) X-DomainKeys: Sendmail DomainKeys Filter v1.0.2 cyrus.dir.garr.it q3FAmgwF036774 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; s=mail; d=garr.it; c=simple; q=dns; b=msNlgXN2TlRELGkv5WlwQEPq9EVQYRDH3mMDzYFTnKpia3nWMfTmnOhev2GkIv/YI ZGw3efv2f3MnFfKxEuce2P15DvzZvh/d0KFKxuo+QQOyYkb43cnKxtEJMpu6Nw9TKbD 0D2rC8HADFeLtGTBKjWXsCf5PmrUqrd0t3ey6G0= Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 12:48:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Claudio Allocchio X-X-Sender: claudio@mac-allocchio3.garrtest.units.it To: SM In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120414014111.08cfd448@elandnews.com> Message-ID: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120414014111.08cfd448@elandnews.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.02 (OSX 1266 2009-07-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: John Klensin , Joseph Yee , appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] Review of EAI documents X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 10:49:09 -0000 On Sat, 14 Apr 2012, SM wrote: > This is a head-up about the upcoming AppsDir reviews of > draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-03, draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis-04, > draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-03 and draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-04. > There will be two independent AppsDir reviews for each of the drafts (eight > reviews altogether). as quite a number of us has been involved in the WG discussions about those drafts, it is a VERY good idea to have the two indipendent reviews. It helps in putting down the bias level! :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Claudio Allocchio G A R R Claudio.Allocchio@garr.it Senior Technical Officer tel: +39 040 3758523 Italian Academic and G=Claudio; S=Allocchio; fax: +39 040 3758565 Research Network P=garr; A=garr; C=it; PGP Key: http://www.cert.garr.it/PGP/keys.php3#ca From sm@elandsys.com Mon Apr 16 03:36:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 274ED21F86FC for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:36:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.558 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.558 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.041, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DsPcF1YDNZ-l for ; 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h=Date:To:From:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc; b=GFdSI53x0/ovJFEMM8RtezrWKUp+EdLGz6rX7TBUq7Wm7lEEsubA1wXba9wEV9Kzo jRlc/opi1pGsHa0oVdc0moAF9ZQDZzuVMd6EZQlrwUOrlWwomn0vFQXk7W6hb1XwtW 1OacdVj9lCBgibknm3Zh032UgXMTY7lM3faufC2g= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120416030739.093443e8@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 03:18:07 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM In-Reply-To: <20120416185010.ee76b398.yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> References: <20120416185010.ee76b398.yoshiro.yoneya@jprs.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] AppsDir review of draft-ietf-emu-chbind-14 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:36:27 -0000 At 02:50 16-04-2012, Yoshiro YONEYA wrote: >Document: draft-ietf-emu-chbind-14.txt >Title: Channel Binding Support for EAP Methods The Secdir review is at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg72816.html The Gen-ART review is at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/gen-art/current/msg07345.html Best regards, -sm From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Mon Apr 16 03:53:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A34D21F8766; 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Received: from [172.16.1.29] (shiny.isode.com [62.3.217.250]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPSA id ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:52:58 +0100 X-SMTP-Protocol-Errors: PIPELINING Message-ID: <4F89AE3A.5050503@isode.com> Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 18:04:58 +0100 From: Alexey Melnikov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 To: S Moonesamy References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:53:00 -0000 On 11/04/2012 10:25, S Moonesamy wrote: > Hello, > > I'll comment on the template used for Applications Area Directorate > (AppsDir) reviews as it may help authors to respond to the reviews. > > "Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments > you may receive. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd > or AD before posting a new version of the draft." > > In plain English, this means that the comments in the review does not > bear more weight than a comment submitted by an individual during a > Last Call. > > The Applications Area Directors may or may not agree with the comments > of the AppsDir reviewer. The Applications Area Directorate does not > have any veto power on a draft. It is suggested that the author(s) > asks the document shepherd (RFC 4858) or the Area Director who > sponsored the draft for guidance about IETF process, changes that > should be made, whether to post a new revision, etc. > > A review generally list issues as major or minor. I'll use a review > performed by Ted Hardie as an example ( > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04847.html ). > > > The reviewer explained why he considered some issues as major. The > author discussed about the issues with the reviewer ( > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04859.html ). > There isn't a clear-cut rule on what is a major or minor issue. It's > up to the reviewer to make a judgement call. It is up to the > author(s), or working group, to decide about whether these issues > should be resolved and how to do so. For me "major" is something I would have put a DISCUSS for. > Some AppsDir reviews may list nits. These nits are generally > editorial issues. For example: > > "I personally found the Introduction somewhat hard to parse" > > That doesn't mean that the author has to make changes to the > Introduction section. It's an editorial decision. It's up to the > authors to determine whether the text should be changed so that the > reader can understand it. SM, it is not clear if you are trying to suggest some changes to the boilerplate used in AppsDir reviews or not. Can you clarify? From sm@elandsys.com Mon Apr 16 05:21:28 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1BF421F8704; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:21:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.56 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CP5G6fLSofMR; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD2821F86FD; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:21:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.236.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3GCLB5e027267 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:21:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334578884; i=@elandsys.com; bh=IyscHDPdRtpaLm2LGZE4q1XsqW3UnArfUHhlE6EWjl8=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=B4PctGII4055WkMSrhWwDlDjeS19of/8Wk7QEUdocPZF8AR6N39N1wID1IBeocZup bWutEL7kmVH5eudjJyooHNSraKJp1ehIz9MOjuzM/1AufOhnQFUbt6e/l/LsMPxwIS 4StcMKKuB/iTyJKnvl+VI5wgZfUCu0y3xC16EwKo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334578884; i=@elandsys.com; bh=IyscHDPdRtpaLm2LGZE4q1XsqW3UnArfUHhlE6EWjl8=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=NVr/dc5PAZ6YQINNV2yqd1zGMZDfK9DI1pnOUKsAV7bJTJIAf2msC9PfxmYu6bpLD QJUenfzd7CH+wuzAajL1lwHJoST3ok6fqw4VMHBquhVJYz6FRpbV3li8MI1EBw9uZH rW1XBbA0wHoQ17gQTxF4QM25u/PEPxtpWW8LO870= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120416042035.09470db0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 05:14:11 -0700 To: Alexey Melnikov From: S Moonesamy In-Reply-To: <4F89AE3A.5050503@isode.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F89AE3A.5050503@isode.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:21:28 -0000 Hi Alexey, At 10:04 14-04-2012, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >For me "major" is something I would have put a DISCUSS for. Yes, as long as it is accompanied by supporting arguments. >SM, it is not clear if you are trying to suggest some changes to the >boilerplate used in AppsDir reviews or not. Can you clarify? The boilerplate can be improved. I don't want to turn it into a long disclaimer though. I suggest to wait and see whether the information for document authors published at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/ApplicationsAreaDirectorate ends up being useful. The boilerplate can be fine-tuned if there is significant feedback from people affected by AppsDir reviews. Regards, S. Moonesamy From sm@elandsys.com Mon Apr 16 09:57:20 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B0E211E80E2 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:57:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.561 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.561 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lum0O4YOqjwD for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840AC11E80E1 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.236.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3GGv22p028239 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:57:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334595435; i=@elandsys.com; bh=9O5760RTzdaHTaEjU1HfeQGp+794caFOrNAqJgcOJ7M=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=kUcx6naPvsP/Yxi5m2x6OdxNBDTV+t5c5B3rWLZRuFrTkkfPkBPSFSGmZXKoN3hUP YbjNcdIla+wryYAkLlohtnX3ViG6vjNqU8wYCIWdr8c0HUiPDBvw6JxUeBV5E9Lx+I mvNSIIu7TteZjkCctsZyQLTMKcieNfTS/raWgkHQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334595435; i=@elandsys.com; bh=9O5760RTzdaHTaEjU1HfeQGp+794caFOrNAqJgcOJ7M=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=x/FjvOJh+o2xpk82yu68w0DptPga0+/TlgtN/vMdcXx3REjJP4820hQoal1uXx1nz jv7x+VELQNsgbRqXi6ktmlvPNAiJ5rjBrzSjQjdCmL2vw6IA2+orxZwSjg8MGtJZax fHCe1zB1PmS+0dZOC5zZ5l5J1uOZR4KnXcvGQYBw= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120416085419.0b6961b0@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 09:08:10 -0700 To: "Vijay K. Gurbani" From: SM In-Reply-To: <4F8C3E49.5030100@bell-labs.com> References: <4F8C3E49.5030100@bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-cdni-problem-statement-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:57:20 -0000 Hi Vijay, At 08:44 16-04-2012, Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: >Summary: This draft is ready for publication as an Informational. > >Major Issues: 1 >Minor Issues: 5 The major issue is about expanding the security considerations. Did you list this as major because the AppsDir template mentions "list any major issues such as security concerns"? Best regards, -sm From vkg@bell-labs.com Mon Apr 16 10:30:51 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C797021F8663 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -107.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-107.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.800, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JFoexLQSZVZE for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail4.lucent.com (ihemail4.lucent.com [135.245.0.39]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 240C521F85B5 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 10:30:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.11]) by ihemail4.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id q3GHUcHt025017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:30:39 -0500 (CDT) Received: from umail.lucent.com (umail-ce2.ndc.lucent.com [135.3.40.63]) by usnavsmail3.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id q3GHUcMX003980 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:30:38 -0500 Received: from shoonya.ih.lucent.com (shoonya.ih.lucent.com [135.185.238.235]) by umail.lucent.com (8.13.8/TPES) with ESMTP id q3GHUbMv003476; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:30:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4F8C5869.3040701@bell-labs.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:35:37 -0500 From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Bell Laboratories, Alcatel-Lucent User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120329 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SM References: <4F8C3E49.5030100@bell-labs.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20120416085419.0b6961b0@resistor.net> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120416085419.0b6961b0@resistor.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.39 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.11 Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-cdni-problem-statement-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:30:51 -0000 On 04/16/2012 11:08 AM, SM wrote: > Hi Vijay, > At 08:44 16-04-2012, Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: >> Summary: This draft is ready for publication as an Informational. >> >> Major Issues: 1 >> Minor Issues: 5 > > The major issue is about expanding the security considerations. Did you > list this as major because the AppsDir template mentions "list any major > issues such as security concerns"? SM: No. I tagged that as major since I thought that the Security Considerations section was a bit sparse and breaking the need for authentication and confidentiality across the four interfaces may be beneficial. I am fine if you want to include this as part of the Minor comments, just as long as the authors are aware of the comment and decide to do *something* with it. (That is, either reject it as out of scope, incorporate it, or change it and then incorporate it, etc.). Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. Gurbani, Bell Laboratories, Alcatel-Lucent 1960 Lucent Lane, Rm. 9C-533, Naperville, Illinois 60563 (USA) Email: vkg@{bell-labs.com,acm.org} / vijay.gurbani@alcatel-lucent.com Web: http://ect.bell-labs.com/who/vkg/ From sm@elandsys.com Mon Apr 16 11:38:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2024A21F8653 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:38:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.562 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.562 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.037, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b3vmEFHJIO9f for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7DB21F8644 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:38:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.236.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3GIcZdM000300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:38:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334601528; i=@elandsys.com; bh=yvYjBoYS76q7EbQI2wkcaH5hbDhg95542qX1xGCQsNU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=Cnb8OlJXkTGy9G+11gegC2LQwCmzrJ683MhVpBy7JMcOne8Vzp0jRn7ozRtM0g5Ao 5bMbi67IBP5AsXP3UqVTcwTXRdCNf1q8KAhBRWDcsOxY+oyyr+bKKjEUmWDG6r8nDX UXfQLe7erTDG+AxEKpXlsHEaIRMGLGUqteQP0hlA= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334601528; i=@elandsys.com; bh=yvYjBoYS76q7EbQI2wkcaH5hbDhg95542qX1xGCQsNU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=X3S752HL4eC0X/f6IAsnv1vBCaVXvinfpbK/olBAsLNab43+WLD7ZL1EpqAoQwyMN DPmr/VZwgoAXwWGFpsJgmXVL4QnGAQX7ztsBP0Mb5r6DVqlVPjEZZfcU4I7rJNodfw sU4G8WAD/JqnswhQCLlCLi9DiSS0l2zB7689ir28= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120416104454.0d7a72e8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:18:48 -0700 To: "Vijay K. Gurbani" From: SM In-Reply-To: <4F8C5869.3040701@bell-labs.com> References: <4F8C3E49.5030100@bell-labs.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20120416085419.0b6961b0@resistor.net> <4F8C5869.3040701@bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-cdni-problem-statement-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:38:52 -0000 Hi Vijay, At 10:35 16-04-2012, Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: >SM: No. I tagged that as major since I thought that the Security >Considerations section was a bit sparse and breaking the need for >authentication and confidentiality across the four interfaces may >be beneficial. Ok. >I am fine if you want to include this as part of the Minor >comments, just as long as the authors are aware of the comment >and decide to do *something* with it. (That is, either reject it >as out of scope, incorporate it, or change it and then >incorporate it, etc.). If I recall correctly, I have used the "do something" approach in one of my AppsDir reviews. I cannot tell you or any other reviewer to upgrade or downgrade an issue. I might ask a reviewer why an issue was categorized as such if it is not clear in the review. The correct protocol would be for me to inform the Apps ADs and leave it to them to determine whether a clarification is needed. Let's assume that I am unfamiliar with the IETF. You tell me: "This draft is ready for publication as an Informational." I then see major and minor issues listed. It's not clear to me whether the draft can be published "as-is" or not. It may also not be clear to the Apps ADs. My message is a "think about it". Best regards, -sm From vkg@bell-labs.com Mon Apr 16 11:47:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8C811E80A6 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:47:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -107.456 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-107.456 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.857, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IVrek+oEJwX7 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ihemail3.lucent.com (ihemail3.lucent.com [135.245.0.37]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22C6911E80AF for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 11:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from usnavsmail1.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (usnavsmail1.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com [135.3.39.9]) by ihemail3.lucent.com (8.13.8/IER-o) with ESMTP id q3GIl3E1015917 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:47:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from umail.lucent.com (umail-ce2.ndc.lucent.com [135.3.40.63]) by usnavsmail1.ndc.alcatel-lucent.com (8.14.3/8.14.3/GMO) with ESMTP id q3GIl3Mb020181 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:47:03 -0500 Received: from shoonya.ih.lucent.com (shoonya.ih.lucent.com [135.185.238.235]) by umail.lucent.com (8.13.8/TPES) with ESMTP id q3GIl2A9029486; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:47:03 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4F8C6A53.101@bell-labs.com> Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 13:52:03 -0500 From: "Vijay K. Gurbani" Organization: Bell Laboratories, Alcatel-Lucent User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:11.0) Gecko/20120329 Thunderbird/11.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SM References: <4F8C3E49.5030100@bell-labs.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20120416085419.0b6961b0@resistor.net> <4F8C5869.3040701@bell-labs.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20120416104454.0d7a72e8@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120416104454.0d7a72e8@elandnews.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 135.245.2.37 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.64 on 135.3.39.9 Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-cdni-problem-statement-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 18:47:17 -0000 On 04/16/2012 01:18 PM, SM wrote: > Let's assume that I am unfamiliar with the IETF. You tell me: > > "This draft is ready for publication as an Informational." > > I then see major and minor issues listed. It's not clear to me whether > the draft can be published "as-is" or not. It may also not be clear to > the Apps ADs. My message is a "think about it". SM: Ah, I see the disconnect. It is my fault --- sorry. What happened is that I had originally put the security considerations comment in the Minor category. But before submitting the review I reconsidered it and decided to move it to the Major category. However, I forgot to update the Summary description. I can re-issue a new review with the error corrected. If you have any other solution that is more expedient, I am willing to do that as well. Again, apologies for the slip-up. Let me know what you prefer. Thanks, - vijay -- Vijay K. Gurbani, Bell Laboratories, Alcatel-Lucent 1960 Lucent Lane, Rm. 9C-533, Naperville, Illinois 60563 (USA) Email: vkg@{bell-labs.com,acm.org} / vijay.gurbani@alcatel-lucent.com Web: http://ect.bell-labs.com/who/vkg/ From sm@elandsys.com Mon Apr 16 12:11:55 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 238BB21F85D8 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:11:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.563 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.563 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.036, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IXUtFd4YTerm for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF5621F85CE for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:11:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.236.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3GJBWfx018532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:11:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334603509; i=@elandsys.com; bh=4z8Ols7APIXAaqW3hy24SqvF6QhLV5HkBcGjJIHFk1Q=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=u1DvR/LgPltPUeo8obLiB0AmqZMY1g4ABYLunYP/MCU0M9pEKyIO2KFBq4jxz68sC D0NCwk9BKo2TxCjoLi41dIkY+A81MRb21wzWqyuuh4xPBjwsYNQaAMwNQ8gDcV4VG9 RUrqpUHuxQWX+2tVG0UGX2LiJ3vLfd/4U7w9pXAc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334603509; i=@elandsys.com; bh=4z8Ols7APIXAaqW3hy24SqvF6QhLV5HkBcGjJIHFk1Q=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=Wk2kA3HCJcQAhpSMcoAbrHfo/G9PbFpHS90IkTD9nVOrq2rO51pq/xkmPF4uVnfNC 9Cnt7L1zJuH+WKVjsEh3FkrRF2X8jRkpctwba/ng1G1For+07xCEY+ni4qVdvJOM1L G5Cn3iNWIkjWrUdWd9YcIr2Q7ZywR+M9QQpw05yk= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120416115719.0d842a98@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:01:26 -0700 To: "Vijay K. Gurbani" From: SM In-Reply-To: <4F8C6A53.101@bell-labs.com> References: <4F8C3E49.5030100@bell-labs.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20120416085419.0b6961b0@resistor.net> <4F8C5869.3040701@bell-labs.com> <6.2.5.6.2.20120416104454.0d7a72e8@elandnews.com> <4F8C6A53.101@bell-labs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Review of draft-ietf-cdni-problem-statement-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:11:55 -0000 Hi Vijay, At 11:52 16-04-2012, Vijay K. Gurbani wrote: >What happened is that I had originally put the security considerations >comment in the Minor category. But before submitting the review I >reconsidered it and decided to move it to the Major category. However, >I forgot to update the Summary description. I do that sometimes. :-) >I can re-issue a new review with the error corrected. If you have >any other solution that is more expedient, I am willing to do that >as well. That's not needed. I used the draft more as an example than to comment on the review. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Mon Apr 16 12:11:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9132721F865F for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.564 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.564 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kklvwJrkPD7M for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 223C521F85F0 for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.236.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3GJBWg1018532 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:11:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334603513; i=@elandsys.com; bh=ielyZXGqNewOKkjqQXWO+B7nyTobDl++9My8sDO4fzc=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=C0jyPE0joBUNsiko8/OOboXIBwKE01CsVRcHg2kOynu+93V371mhJgaxr2WDytiIC Th+MP7UWlyIU7CQtDng9ySwPdbRJaS54GfwjVsAsrwWN9wkr6UeNMdBjj4fqkZQeoL 2LEd76irabZueGq4oA/Ppjn46X/+kN+LHStvR4mo= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334603513; i=@elandsys.com; bh=ielyZXGqNewOKkjqQXWO+B7nyTobDl++9My8sDO4fzc=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=ym2GK0U1L6Kk1ZriDsR/4BcTaW3aI6eNZvRcpZpHfFArfdjh28Di8pt4OgmyeUBdt 6oeHNIgSSrHrkSDFhhOqjZQ9bpdMroWmFGkJUA3zjNBkjC9lap7QO8TFovxaTD4tqv bkqt+dYQZlP7Lov/tE/5sgiMb4b1EJcxpu6xDbr8= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120416120612.0b6bec90@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:09:06 -0700 To: Ted Hardie From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:18:57 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] request for review: draft-ietf-cdni-problem-statement-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:11:58 -0000 Hi Ted, {Bcc to appsdir] Could you please review draft-ietf-cdni-problem-statement-04 before April 30? As a note to the Apps ADs, the review was requested by the WG chairs and Ted is ok with it. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Mon Apr 16 12:44:56 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41EF111E80AD for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:44:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.565 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.565 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.034, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k7+ZV4GhF0hD for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3618811E808C for ; Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:44:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.236.220]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3GJiPaw015853 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:44:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334605481; i=@elandsys.com; bh=U5P5UZZZuydSDlONdrX/wqmZzCmC8FbYzRws2dS22vE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=XlyJAvtCB17uC6rLdOEj7bF7m5i7E9PkkLftsCSATm5+MR4mlvmWmD2mFY+3B0OMq t0QcoirvPWZqD1j8QNrOPzibxap62A7Q+qb6yikEApjvgfpcBSQmgURQgSvYAkxxyI /POmPoSuCvaKcqpJZ6YCnIa8BOyOXOJi/e9GavoY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334605481; i=@elandsys.com; bh=U5P5UZZZuydSDlONdrX/wqmZzCmC8FbYzRws2dS22vE=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=QQa1FOmgg6/BI94FFPi9RZ9Bkw342k3+nF2D/baV8I8fauqKAJwOWxCGqdiOxxN9C x2wlEVGqWcm/ExpLipfsx6WDKHjr66Omn3sStK1p8JPVx7JXM1PEsc565Lq/zjfTcX W1BIpcyTSqMsJ/O2S+8fk7tdOvJA2J8c8aPuWb8A= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120416123946.09ec3318@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:44:06 -0700 To: Ted Hardie From: SM In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120416120612.0b6bec90@elandnews.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120416120612.0b6bec90@elandnews.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] request for review: draft-ietf-alto-protocol-11 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:44:56 -0000 Hi Ted, I sent an incorrect request for review at http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/appsdir/current/msg00873.html The correct assignment is for draft-ietf-alto-protocol-11 Thanks to Vijay for pointing out my mistake. Best regards, -sm From duerst@it.aoyama.ac.jp Tue Apr 17 01:53:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DCEF21F857D for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 01:53:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.161 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.161 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.629, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yLIQnJsvARzo for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 01:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scintmta02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scintmta02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp [133.2.253.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D866721F8606 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 01:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.253.231]) by scintmta02.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id q3H8rK8I004760 for ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:53:20 +0900 Received: from (unknown [133.2.206.133]) by scmse01.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp with smtp id 745a_31cc_c85ee40a_886a_11e1_89e5_001d096c566a; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:53:20 +0900 Received: from [IPv6:::1] ([133.2.210.1]:49506) by itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp with [XMail 1.22 ESMTP Server] id for from ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:53:25 +0900 Message-ID: <4F8D2F7E.1040400@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:53:18 +0900 From: =?UTF-8?B?Ik1hcnRpbiBKLiBEw7xyc3Qi?= Organization: Aoyama Gakuin University User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.9) Gecko/20100722 Eudora/3.0.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexey Melnikov References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F89AE3A.5050503@isode.com> In-Reply-To: <4F89AE3A.5050503@isode.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, S Moonesamy , apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 08:53:37 -0000 On 2012/04/15 2:04, Alexey Melnikov wrote: > On 11/04/2012 10:25, S Moonesamy wrote: >> A review generally list issues as major or minor. I'll use a review >> performed by Ted Hardie as an example ( >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04847.html ). >> >> >> The reviewer explained why he considered some issues as major. The >> author discussed about the issues with the reviewer ( >> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04859.html ). >> There isn't a clear-cut rule on what is a major or minor issue. It's >> up to the reviewer to make a judgement call. It is up to the >> author(s), or working group, to decide about whether these issues >> should be resolved and how to do so. > For me "major" is something I would have put a DISCUSS for. Then this is a difficult call for somebody who never was an AD :-). About once per draft, I find myself in the situation that I want to say "you would really better have done this in that other way", but don't really expect the authors/WG to actually do it, because it may be too late to change. What I hope is that the authors/WG learn something, and do it the better way next time. I usually classify these as major; I hope that's okay. Regards, Martin. From alexey.melnikov@isode.com Tue Apr 17 02:37:37 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 424F521F8629; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:37:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.903 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.903 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id osMIWvsl9d1M; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rufus.isode.com (rufus.isode.com [62.3.217.251]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB7221F858D; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 02:37:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1334655450; d=isode.com; s=selector; i=@isode.com; bh=pTucrosM7eWECC0JW0p87AAlVGhJEiaeEyNpkmAek0o=; h=From:Sender:Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:To:Cc:MIME-Version: In-Reply-To:References:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description; b=Ux71wUNj5ow5sJ4wAcH6KifbiSNMrG5ns9V1fjeBfUp/lOwFz1jbXnVLJxPFCIypdZFqIq v/urzjM5bF0N6AR05uetjtMG4unq5bNhoD9m8WXXQbDScsKNNaq7ykLXf/O2bPjSCbCWne gSxv0jJherVxpjPyJ14a8k2HmjtnnQk=; Received: from [188.28.106.64] (188.28.106.64.threembb.co.uk [188.28.106.64]) by rufus.isode.com (submission channel) via TCP with ESMTPSA id ; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:37:30 +0100 References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F89AE3A.5050503@isode.com> <4F8D2F7E.1040400@it.aoyama.ac.jp> In-Reply-To: <4F8D2F7E.1040400@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Message-Id: <4B6A22B5-ABFA-4FF2-B677-AD050D1C789C@isode.com> X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B176) From: Alexey Melnikov Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 10:37:27 +0100 To: =?utf-8?Q?"Martin_J._D=C3=BCrst"?= MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cc: "appsdir@ietf.org" , S Moonesamy , "apps-discuss@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 09:37:37 -0000 On 17 Apr 2012, at 09:53, "Martin J. D=C3=BCrst" wr= ote: > On 2012/04/15 2:04, Alexey Melnikov wrote: >> On 11/04/2012 10:25, S Moonesamy wrote: >=20 >>> A review generally list issues as major or minor. I'll use a review >>> performed by Ted Hardie as an example ( >>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04847.html )= . >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The reviewer explained why he considered some issues as major. The >>> author discussed about the issues with the reviewer ( >>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/apps-discuss/current/msg04859.html )= . >>> There isn't a clear-cut rule on what is a major or minor issue. It's >>> up to the reviewer to make a judgement call. It is up to the >>> author(s), or working group, to decide about whether these issues >>> should be resolved and how to do so. >> For me "major" is something I would have put a DISCUSS for. >=20 > Then this is a difficult call for somebody who never was an AD :-). >=20 > About once per draft, I find myself in the situation that I want to say "y= ou would really better have done this in that other way", but don't really e= xpect the authors/WG to actually do it, because it may be too late to change= . What I hope is that the authors/WG learn something, and do it the better w= ay next time. >=20 > I usually classify these as major; I hope that's okay. It is all a bit subjective, but there is IESG DISCUSS Criteria document whic= h can be used as a guideline. From sm@elandsys.com Tue Apr 17 04:19:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5192A21F85F9; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:19:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.418 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.418 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.119, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LcWi2IOXoZoj; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F57C21F860F; Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:19:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.237.77]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3HBJFE9022137 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:19:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334661570; i=@elandsys.com; bh=lw1hjyl8wujG+7LEIupZ13u/1XK/Pg8h1vmzKwIARAA=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=Z22yjg97KdDsMk/EufkYVpg0/XUKXnfVk7JXQT90sFfRr6dXLhrsgpknTwoTgitlM 46+WzNgHJlkvbT95dDLW66PELFwISfxltnzjWOv+hCXl9oaZxu6NhEgWRLoGEsh9Ti kjpyP8w8U4a9XUNqNg9KO3k3UUM3VxPtPpmQQpqs= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334661570; i=@elandsys.com; bh=lw1hjyl8wujG+7LEIupZ13u/1XK/Pg8h1vmzKwIARAA=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=25hxZ1xu7IdXMS1CXxwpBlpfP+UIdPyLIQSETi13LyrEQRm2K4oHYm9h9yeuHl+G9 J/s8Kvm5Iu4XJScwWSgNE/8AR9ZbWhS1vkmgixO6x7ep9QNXFnzNJCMIl2DYw3g2d9 Mt2mOl9jkTEKb+/tEmji2scmwrmLB1vq3CvCUT8U= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120417024022.0a9e7e70@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:11:37 -0700 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=22Martin_J=2E_D=FCrst=22?= From: S Moonesamy In-Reply-To: <4F8D2F7E.1040400@it.aoyama.ac.jp> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120411005340.0732caa0@elandnews.com> <4F89AE3A.5050503@isode.com> <4F8D2F7E.1040400@it.aoyama.ac.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: appsdir@ietf.org, apps-discuss@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] Responding to Applications Area Directorate reviews X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 11:19:41 -0000 Hi Martin, At 01:53 17-04-2012, Martin J. D=FCrst wrote: >Then this is a difficult call for somebody who never was an AD :-). The DISCUSS criteria is documented at=20 http://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >About once per draft, I find myself in the=20 >situation that I want to say "you would really=20 >better have done this in that other way", but=20 >don't really expect the authors/WG to actually=20 >do it, because it may be too late to change.=20 >What I hope is that the authors/WG learn=20 >something, and do it the better way next time. > >I usually classify these as major; I hope that's okay. One of the reasons why AppsDir performs early=20 reviews is so that changes can suggested before it is too late to change. If your advice is that "this would really have=20 been done in that other way", it's fine to raise=20 it as an issue. The informality of AppsDir=20 reviews allows AppsDir reviewers wide=20 discretion. As such, such issues can be classified as major. Regards, S. 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Kucherawy" To: SM , Glenn Parsons Thread-Topic: request for review: draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis-04 Thread-Index: AQHNHanxYiOtRc71HEa+fFTwtgrkKpahGLtA Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:27:42 +0000 Message-ID: <9452079D1A51524AA5749AD23E0039280F8837@exch-mbx901.corp.cloudmark.com> References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120418141405.09c537b8@elandnews.com> In-Reply-To: <6.2.5.6.2.20120418141405.09c537b8@elandnews.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [172.20.2.121] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cloudmark.com; s=default; t=1334784484; bh=9fsUrBlOEHNanuEqY29cgVa4uHNTvKCkbMFtwPes9LQ=; h=From:To:CC:Subject:Date:Message-ID:References:In-Reply-To: Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version; b=YW+U8ERcrSFS87ZDtrt6jVydwJl0w6r6VQ+3FIA9tjOEptrlg1hiP6Swou76JWbof j7SJuX3OHcavRYDkmWVhIX0AzmIgcKRJl8U1L/W9Jt12a2GcqXTgXHzrIdrN8VL2lW 4rEpVFExoPqyxSqOb1V0kdpxue8NHZthpUb5zswk= Cc: "appsdir@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [appsdir] request for review: draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:28:12 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: SM [mailto:sm+ietf@elandsys.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 2:17 PM > To: Murray S. 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Yep. -MSK From sm@elandsys.com Wed Apr 18 14:26:36 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C314111E8094 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:26:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.567 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.567 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6MBtZwE3OTQH for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7DDF11E808F for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.232.203]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3ILQAjM023523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:26:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334784383; i=@elandsys.com; bh=h/EZGqPTmlPtd6Q22s3/sPWRmahj9Dfv2OzBF27PwU4=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=0U2gZnO1/1B1KtB/TAcaPXcDWQNB/jmQ93VZ1JTaAhBFdBeb0ICG5kiWWSCGAACGa JdCllFclY+ZHY6Jy9+sQI1hPc/09dHxXGTp/jsRKmkR1JDDKs+aCmIjwyZCzXBKDWB gRu+2V8D9KY4i2vJI7rB/1WtnJFPrXUDj0PR+YV0= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334784383; i=@elandsys.com; bh=h/EZGqPTmlPtd6Q22s3/sPWRmahj9Dfv2OzBF27PwU4=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=SyPvY74eE1EUa3aW5Bho3PPXpXUNv9FrrUI9RsS7YNnKzrjDgR/AY4KmGbQO6IXit HJ4aXlgvCK1oImI9igHrKbEP8rJ9MyoH8bqTp/i+30X/AEA6w/pzT/CC4AwcyDWuH2 BH0/KVmmxPBPTtWm0i29NFLU1M6xPMlvPAJDe9IM= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120418141013.09c53528@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:14:02 -0700 To: Glenn Parsons , Aaron Stone From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:37:41 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] request for review: draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-03 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:26:36 -0000 Hi Glenn, Aaron, Could you please review draft-ietf-eai-5738bis-03 by April 30? Each of you review the draft separately. 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Kucherawy" , Glenn Parsons From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:37:47 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] request for review: draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:26:45 -0000 Hi Murray, Glenn, {Bcc to appsdir] Could you please review draft-ietf-eai-rfc5721bis-04 by April 30? Each of you review the draft separately. Glenn, this is a second assignment. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Wed Apr 18 14:27:48 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49A9511E8097 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:27:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.568 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.568 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.031, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O1vVZ64F0Ju7 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2929111E808F for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.232.203]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3ILQAjQ023523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:26:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334784403; i=@elandsys.com; bh=TQ1V5z/+wlIzI8v9gMlzHlLpbefSbk+O2DMHIS/RWqk=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=lrOt35JGAhpboSlY8OOvsU9+/pq/AEjkdHn9YMSd2IAiSafLXg6hNBtV9+mOao5wj s9cbeIqJ2eLaI9oMuezWRz0lZndytthM+hgmk+Z/bhABDheJxsslynssMC2ooCbIM0 KRo/TwDs5tLlbf/FhKyYvyIafyts8rzwvCe3oRho= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334784403; i=@elandsys.com; bh=TQ1V5z/+wlIzI8v9gMlzHlLpbefSbk+O2DMHIS/RWqk=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=sGKhY5F534bjIvjpcpUYteQ1VIlt+unLCkrbIwGldFWCEGHycKZE1MIA3qMQIkIXp 16mCCpvencHRO7M09TviZgCN7O+5g2PE1z7qixfNSB0POt2wV/xMCdHS0f99sB30Pu 7Ysz1TL00uIW7piPV8qP7TGdEb99aL9mQBu892N8= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120418141715.09c53a48@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:18:59 -0700 To: Claudio Allocchio , Ted Hardie From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:37:47 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-03 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:27:48 -0000 Hi Claudio, Ted, [Bcc to appsdir] Could you please review draft-ietf-eai-simpledowngrade-03 by April 30? Each of you review the draft separately. The administrative details are at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Wed Apr 18 14:27:52 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8520511E809D for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:27:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8XEQUc6BPgtK for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FA2F11E8094 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.232.203]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3ILQAjS023523 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:26:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334784412; i=@elandsys.com; bh=W/BaHvoeWbMdH7jxCVG6c8XDcRtkx7Cn54GvGxTAvpY=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=zf48eLS90YVXE8k+J/BWIgdC+CzWzoFflJ2jS5IIRiEwTuz8HmFQKy1/tFsBaYdxR q7JwOfrin5Wp3Dx0zG75HpHM+CyiTseZt/f3FL7OkBuBJyhNe6wvC5gIAZl0/lCQi3 5r/7d5Rs0YSQA/PHtHHbkaRe3pM4H9fl6OAxAEEc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334784412; i=@elandsys.com; bh=W/BaHvoeWbMdH7jxCVG6c8XDcRtkx7Cn54GvGxTAvpY=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=4qD5rrLAXFwcIOU0oAMFXJF3vyXC4F/wIhycyE1jUNEX+WXCvgx9r+DhpKgAYd6YP GowqxH/kjaFi5mtsMj9/vtH0Rial89J2LZXvW7/9t38EyZ2SOKc1nFAnyE2OwUnyFs RHJpyuENIvj0SJyX7FugF60Vjg3mRGpVofc1Euxk= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120418141901.09c53cd8@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:21:19 -0700 To: Aaron Stone , Claudio Allocchio From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:37:47 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:27:52 -0000 Hi Aaron, Claudio, [Bcc to appsdir] Could you please review draft-ietf-eai-popimap-downgrade-04 by April 30? Each of you review the draft separately. The administrative details are at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview This is a second assignment. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Wed Apr 18 15:26:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FBC11E8091 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:26:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.569 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.569 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.030, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C2B7Bkk4j7US for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 838E511E808C for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3IMQJEX003900 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334787991; i=@elandsys.com; bh=pztZWm/dXy4k3zWsHZrJ818kmoxaUJn/oWX1ZkDIQIQ=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=oGSkIrFgDjYcE46gcoxK9BLJMyDsacLHxdAoW76yQBL45ltWyemmMcVEWzNdiBD0j QUdZWtqnpMPGyMWAL/a1Rt5YR0lFD2DiADEodrTAo7HYuvNlnMQK2v1icWLbqVuHbg c1/MKQqanVIHslHZ07SbPToisZqiaAtm3NbSlvEE= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334787991; i=@elandsys.com; bh=pztZWm/dXy4k3zWsHZrJ818kmoxaUJn/oWX1ZkDIQIQ=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=o9IeUADmUjWmH2KIvK9y+foS6gdF4z8TtEyTTOGraj09oFigZjj4hiR0tVlRf8JMa PDZZt7FDdDJgXJ9JqwccKXn5RfRU9xtbzfpsYobEfUMRZwoRM0XfxFS0iukNsgq7iv BIc3+aHfJaPCguUSV6F/RWnxAuRbY43qEL3S0T0Y= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120418145208.09b6c528@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 15:14:41 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [appsdir] List of drafts for review X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:26:41 -0000 Hello, Here's a tentative list of drafts for review: draft-ietf-appsawg-about-uri-scheme-04 draft-ietf-l2vpn-arp-mediation-19 draft-ietf-marf-as-13 draft-ietf-pkix-pubkey-caps-04 draft-ietf-alto-protocol-11 draft-ietf-websec-strict-transport-sec-06 draft-ietf-abfab-gss-eap-06 If you have a preference, let me know off-list. If I missed a draft which is in WGLC, let me know. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Thu Apr 19 12:52:06 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D371321F8670 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:52:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.571 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.571 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GU8XC9VUylVP for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0637321F866D for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:52:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3JJphi9023991 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:51:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334865116; i=@elandsys.com; bh=GbyoZjWxUd2bn6xNgpI/6Nm1MnHZltQ42UcFj4+eaKU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=yi6giQwL9d9usmgmVCgOiBFim1Tgy6qdR6OH+b+/XrRe/HwUSih0kSYSh3bDWOr04 OC7I78KOdEnYq+pLMyzDvfZNp9fx+AU3wBFOs75u/TyOe8WAGIUBcxVONM39VAxXM+ wVmETXbUoHM8+Em2SOL5NL5Hbi5ki3n//THpIMAc= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334865116; i=@elandsys.com; bh=GbyoZjWxUd2bn6xNgpI/6Nm1MnHZltQ42UcFj4+eaKU=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=4rl/MorZLKep9RBC1mJ7ft7ysW1R8u/XdqK1GRPk3hWWbxY7fuYhaJXiaG0c6fYAl iLs3FIYhmtvcLSqt2XmONaR2+HVBYZBUu/BkRsYw8wWVtqTWAINZBmvbuXXqETv2S/ diUr+X1oXegfGBz2OH+YxpCjN+3shuetwq9EVro0= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120419124902.098377d0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:51:35 -0700 To: Tim Bray From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:55:35 -0700 Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-ietf-appsawg-about-uri-scheme-04 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:52:07 -0000 Hi Tim, {Bcc to appsdir] Could you please review draft-ietf-appsawg-about-uri-scheme-04 by April 30? The administrative details are at http://trac.tools.ietf.org/area/app/trac/wiki/AppsDirReview Please also copy the review to iesg@ietf.org. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Thu Apr 19 14:16:00 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B052911E8099 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:16:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.571 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.571 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id amXM3bj-Jbpp for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CB111E8073 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.235.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3JLFgXb007870 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 14:15:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334870154; i=@elandsys.com; bh=o985Nn+oK4j43gajH9Ym5kVVtfwh2URetVE3MriZsX4=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=I9oSaocWmVOOCCRk5dSui5QEFSjknW4iZYIDyyK4Losi7dhOXKZrwJZVgTomWRVUw S1Xx0lZkeHw8piN7fMsa0A+vwJvfyWO0vsBfwb9KgkpG1VmJMIAXVxkAyl8TrCzCGF NPe4uuTHwGU9Gocdx+aKTnY4Ep4XNOpi6At5vIJw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334870154; i=@elandsys.com; bh=o985Nn+oK4j43gajH9Ym5kVVtfwh2URetVE3MriZsX4=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc; b=QVKjWxc1y10JyPo/djP8e3j135AJwXEt+ShleLtOZycu7nXhrxocMMhOnZtKxZ3Q8 42JvWamz0yK08qzHDy6Cgo+d75K3dl9SRqVpd+sVdYkOrRyu5VBsApHaje56vzwalE 6qNssEKntMfyq+HcHFMIo00RyXo1uBOd5NR26xAw= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120419125909.0b54f6e0@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:00:03 -0700 To: appsdir@ietf.org From: SM Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [appsdir] Request for review: draft-kucherawy-marf-source-ports-01 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:16:00 -0000 I'll review draft-kucherawy-marf-source-ports-01. Best regards, -sm From sm@elandsys.com Thu Apr 19 20:35:12 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5DD21F85A4 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:35:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I1v+ZKei67sq for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 913A021F84F3 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:35:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.237.193]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3K3YlO7028098 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 19 Apr 2012 20:34:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334892900; i=@elandsys.com; bh=cxqxUeE3kmqtfke1w3pmun8ZCXdUQGwTV0u9ejWrupc=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=VCfIovrzVOp2GBWzlQu8sGIER6MlabW8e/eSOzPVKWRPYZtVvhVr0iaNoxa2sqxaS bzf5yVHo5jsrfQlTXbfLXQvXUb/+R2LI852Kk9M+7M14zRVDAZ2hoOY1rxGI363ust 211ODeuwX0EAnXaoc+HafzJ0+1JUUc87EErPiuHs= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334892900; i=@elandsys.com; bh=cxqxUeE3kmqtfke1w3pmun8ZCXdUQGwTV0u9ejWrupc=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=rEH2cu4lXGgOYkKJ1cjZgxF/oONk0jNKP5wICUC37aOn5gShDwqNDZ7skqaNf7hNk hpPPMYURfyQV/mHspXf/nAJJEdN5+1+qpbe8RsNu6cQucEY4GFt9DzE/RgA4Td2sB8 7WFVwXm2CK+ZXAfbQOrUQ460eyBK77Tw9qc3bGgE= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120419191911.0b4380c0@resistor.net> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:37:55 -0700 To: "Jiankang YAO" From: SM In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] APPSDIR review of draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-05 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 03:35:12 -0000 Hi Jiankang, [Cc to appsdir as this may be of interest] At 19:03 19-04-2012, Jiankang YAO wrote: >Document: draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-05 >Title: Export of Application Information in IPFIX [snip] >Comments: From my understanding, HTTP is a kind of layer 7 >application based on OSI, but it can be identified in layer 4. I have not reviewed this draft. RFC 1122 discusses about the Internet Protocol Suite. I don't know what the draft means by "IANA layer 4". 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Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:40:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.52.34.70 with HTTP; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:40:25 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120419191911.0b4380c0@resistor.net> From: Aaron Stone Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 23:40:25 -0700 Message-ID: To: Jiankang YAO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: sm@elandsys.com, appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] APPSDIR review of draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-05 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 06:40:54 -0000 On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Jiankang YAO wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "SM" > To: "Jiankang YAO" > Cc: > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2012 10:37 AM > Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] APPSDIR review of draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-05 > > >> Hi Jiankang, >> >> [Cc to appsdir as this may be of interest] >> >> At 19:03 19-04-2012, Jiankang YAO wrote: >>>Document: draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-05 >>>Title: Export of Application Information in IPFIX >> >> [snip] >> >>>Comments: From my understanding, HTTP is a kind of layer 7 >>>application based on OSI, but it can be identified in layer 4. >> >> I have not reviewed this draft. RFC 1122 discusses about the >> Internet Protocol Suite. I don't know what the draft means by "IANA >> layer 4". >> > > I think that the author's logic is that > IANA defines or registers some well know ports number of layer 4 protocols such as TCP. > Any protocols which use the well known port numbers will be regarded as layer 4 protocols. > For example, port 80 is used by HTTP, so the authors think that HTTP is layer 4 protocol. > but this definition is not OSI's definition. > Based on OSI , HTTP is Layer 7 protocol. There's a TCP/IP 4 layer model: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TCP/IP_model#Layers_in_the_TCP.2FIP_model In that model, HTTP is layer 4, called the Application layer. In the OSI model, HTTP is layer 7, also called the Application layer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model#Description_of_OSI_layers What's an IANA layer? I'm pretty sure no such thing exists. I read the draft. My review would be "Major issue: I have no idea what this draft is about." Cheers, Aaron From sm@elandsys.com Fri Apr 20 00:18:08 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: appsdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B29F821E802B for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:18:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.573 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LCkL+AwIjyZg for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.ipv6.elandsys.com (mx.ipv6.elandsys.com [IPv6:2001:470:f329:1::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C590B11E8086 for ; Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:18:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SUBMAN.elandsys.com ([41.136.237.193]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx.elandsys.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q3K7Hihe007921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:17:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=opendkim.org; s=mail2010; t=1334906277; i=@elandsys.com; bh=EcGVj2gZLBsksY8sZkvKPxZHYVgWvjgurAQVrVVYvcM=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=wToVVBUskM1QzvIvnMbTip3ULuYl2BAShVe0fJarxvR8h9/rdYAD+cA4Jzoo/ffu4 iU42VB5tQlGIPYYSfJbZRVwLVjOBQzpPKVuHU3rKd+7qbS0ESaKSQFrZ5WaPA8zcr+ 02y1qIEY619QysZk6fgu4dOfmoZyyVNxodP4UztQ= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=elandsys.com; s=mail; t=1334906277; i=@elandsys.com; bh=EcGVj2gZLBsksY8sZkvKPxZHYVgWvjgurAQVrVVYvcM=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Cc:In-Reply-To:References; b=JiNArt5E9ZYKokhKXb5XBQj+ianHP7QLsaiWzpXrgSQdd+n5xMpvaYM4waJYVKf1n JLIcooAlVwQE/wJqRW1WTGT874iTmJ9hph25+SZKXDMoxYOSIknJF7dwUZqPoEfLEt Psq12XNVyQbs8PzxIRemejYP70MukkE0TTRlz36M= Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.2.20120420000008.094da460@elandnews.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 00:16:30 -0700 To: Jiankang YAO From: SM In-Reply-To: References: <6.2.5.6.2.20120419191911.0b4380c0@resistor.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Cc: appsdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [appsdir] [apps-discuss] APPSDIR review of draft-claise-export-application-info-in-ipfix-05 X-BeenThere: appsdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Apps Area Review List List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 07:18:08 -0000 Hi Jiankang, At 23:10 19-04-2012, Jiankang YAO wrote: >I think that the author's logic is that >IANA defines or registers some well know ports number of layer 4 >protocols such as TCP. >Any protocols which use the well known port numbers will be regarded >as layer 4 protocols. >For example, port 80 is used by HTTP, so the authors think that HTTP >is layer 4 protocol. >but this definition is not OSI's definition. >Based on OSI , HTTP is Layer 7 protocol. Thanks for explaining that. I found the draft confusing. 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