From jmvalin@jmvalin.ca Thu Feb 3 22:45:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3308D3A6B1F for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:45:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xB0ZIDMJXe3R for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:44:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 368FF3A6B68 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:44:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.1.14] ([184.160.206.46]) by vl-mo-mrz24.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0LG200AP6YVL1F10@vl-mo-mrz24.ip.videotron.ca> for codec@ietf.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 01:47:45 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <4D4BA127.1040508@jmvalin.ca> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 01:48:07 -0500 From: Jean-Marc Valin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 To: "codec@ietf.org" Subject: [codec] Opus ready for testing X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:45:31 -0000 Hi everyone, We'd like to announce that the Opus codec is now ready for testing. The bit-stream is now is a "pseudo-freeze", which means that unless a problem is found during testing/review, there are no longer any changes planned. The only exception to this are the SILK-mode FEC and the stereo SILK mode, which should be landing in the next few days. Considering that these are not critical features, we felt like the testing phase could already begin. You can get the source code in two different ways. There is a release tarball at http://jmvalin.ca/opus/opus-0.9.0.tar.gz . You can also extract the source directly from the I-D ( http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt ) with the following command: cat draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt | grep '^\ \ \ ###' | sed 's/\s\s\s###//' | base64 -d > opus_source.tar.gz There may still be a few rough edges, so let us know if you run into any problem. Also, be aware that some combinations of invalid options to the test_opus executable may result in a segfault rather than a more useful error message. Also, if you are planning some listening test, let us know the exact command line you are planning to use so we can make sure there is no problem. Cheers, Jean-Marc From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Thu Feb 3 22:45:38 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CE1C3A6B2C; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:45:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QwI-flfUEI+V; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:45:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B258F3A6B2A; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 22:45:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110204064501.26308.46515.idtracker@localhost> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:45:01 -0800 Cc: codec@ietf.org Subject: [codec] I-D Action:draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:45:39 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 06:45:39 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Wideband Audio Codec Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definition of the Opus Audio Codec Author(s) : J. Valin, K. Vos Filename : draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt Pages : 185 Date : 2011-02-03 This document describes the Opus codec, designed for interactive speech and audio transmission over the Internet. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-02-03223135.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From hoene@uni-tuebingen.de Fri Feb 4 00:47:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90F293A6B18 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 00:47:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.017 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.017 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.232, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L9BSFmjmIyIw for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 00:47:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (mx06.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.3.3]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DD03A6893 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 00:47:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hoeneT60 (u-173-c044.cs.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.173.44]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx06.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id p148ontt002307 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:50:49 +0100 From: "Christian Hoene" To: "'Jean-Marc Valin'" , References: <4D4BA127.1040508@jmvalin.ca> In-Reply-To: <4D4BA127.1040508@jmvalin.ca> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:50:51 +0100 Organization: =?us-ascii?Q?Universitat_Tubingen?= Message-ID: <003401cbc448$a0e0d650$e2a282f0$@uni-tuebingen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQEt1364QfcDENNNWz3X15QQhNANgJUs4X+Q Content-Language: de X-AntiVirus: NOT checked by Avira MailGate (version: 3.1.2; host: mx06) Subject: Re: [codec] Opus ready for testing X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:47:34 -0000 Hi Jean-Marc, Great news! May I ask whether the source code given in that URL is the same as git clone git:///git.xiph.org/users/jm/ietfcodec.git (currently)? With best regards, Christian > -----Original Message----- > From: codec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:codec-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf > Of Jean-Marc Valin > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 7:48 AM > To: codec@ietf.org > Subject: [codec] Opus ready for testing > > Hi everyone, > > We'd like to announce that the Opus codec is now ready for testing. The bit- > stream is now is a "pseudo-freeze", which means that unless a problem is > found during testing/review, there are no longer any changes planned. The > only exception to this are the SILK-mode FEC and the stereo SILK mode, > which should be landing in the next few days. Considering that these are not > critical features, we felt like the testing phase could already begin. > > You can get the source code in two different ways. There is a release tarball > at http://jmvalin.ca/opus/opus-0.9.0.tar.gz . You can also extract the source > directly from the I-D ( http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt ) > with the following > command: > > cat draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt | grep '^\ \ \ ###' | sed 's/\s\s\s###//' | > base64 -d > opus_source.tar.gz > > There may still be a few rough edges, so let us know if you run into any > problem. Also, be aware that some combinations of invalid options to the > test_opus executable may result in a segfault rather than a more useful error > message. Also, if you are planning some listening test, let us know the exact > command line you are planning to use so we can make sure there is no > problem. > > Cheers, > > Jean-Marc > _______________________________________________ > codec mailing list > codec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec From jmvalin@jmvalin.ca Fri Feb 4 06:18:01 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D323A68E4 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 06:18:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XNnEHEZ6dpbj for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 06:17:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3573A691A for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 06:17:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.1.14] ([184.160.206.46]) by VL-MR-MRZ22.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0LG300ACJJVJ4NA0@VL-MR-MRZ22.ip.videotron.ca> for codec@ietf.org; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:21:19 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <4D4C0B5C.3080609@jmvalin.ca> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:21:16 -0500 From: Jean-Marc Valin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 To: Christian Hoene References: <4D4BA127.1040508@jmvalin.ca> <003401cbc448$a0e0d650$e2a282f0$@uni-tuebingen.de> In-reply-to: <003401cbc448$a0e0d650$e2a282f0$@uni-tuebingen.de> Cc: codec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [codec] Opus ready for testing X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:18:01 -0000 Yes, the source code in the tarball, the draft and (until the next commit) git are identical. The only difference is in which files are included. git contains everything, the tarbal does not include the SILK fixed-point code (still working on the fixed-point build system, but fixed-point itself works), and the draft only includes the minimum necessary (though it will include fixed-point SILK). Jean-Marc On 11-02-04 03:50 AM, Christian Hoene wrote: > Hi Jean-Marc, > > Great news! May I ask whether the source code given in that URL is the same > as git clone git:///git.xiph.org/users/jm/ietfcodec.git (currently)? > > With best regards, > Christian > > > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: codec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:codec-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf >> Of Jean-Marc Valin >> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 7:48 AM >> To: codec@ietf.org >> Subject: [codec] Opus ready for testing >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> We'd like to announce that the Opus codec is now ready for testing. The > bit- >> stream is now is a "pseudo-freeze", which means that unless a problem is >> found during testing/review, there are no longer any changes planned. The >> only exception to this are the SILK-mode FEC and the stereo SILK mode, >> which should be landing in the next few days. Considering that these are > not >> critical features, we felt like the testing phase could already begin. >> >> You can get the source code in two different ways. There is a release > tarball >> at http://jmvalin.ca/opus/opus-0.9.0.tar.gz . You can also extract the > source >> directly from the I-D ( > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt ) >> with the following >> command: >> >> cat draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt | grep '^\ \ \ ###' | sed 's/\s\s\s###//' > | >> base64 -d> opus_source.tar.gz >> >> There may still be a few rough edges, so let us know if you run into any >> problem. Also, be aware that some combinations of invalid options to the >> test_opus executable may result in a segfault rather than a more useful > error >> message. Also, if you are planning some listening test, let us know the > exact >> command line you are planning to use so we can make sure there is no >> problem. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Jean-Marc >> _______________________________________________ >> codec mailing list >> codec@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec > > > From anthony.minessale@gmail.com Fri Feb 4 13:44:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 580433A67F2 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:44:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kjVcjSHiUsVf for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6811F3A67B0 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:44:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3498559bwz.31 for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:47:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=kbUS0TYq9++xWUpgFRTA5bTi6JNPis6K7Jd67oQJT4o=; b=Sw3bQR34ZJd/vGDVzL83hE256waNOKRqj5gCnOc356WRX0Bum5xPdB/daSAMsNfmzT 5RuWQManI3ZEeJxie8/EdYmsA5O9L65OzGDTPyVMVR7Eum59S7pE35h016ufb+lHy2qF 8vkv857BiE0wbXlYeFMIPJpLNqwmLC9WLmQeM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=w022U/BcxyQ4WCRc9bP00Ch4/sdQYydWngpbGNmXS8uAgRR6qPHlikbGUMwahSAPVw TYa8R1DhvmtsHta48D2UjBjYZmm66sl1cI02R0NqUe00ihMp8Wzt2YhJ29OFVXaHqk1b 2HmZLShAogCvMcLUvqrlUPChkQwil1NYh8MZc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.116.79 with SMTP id l15mr2157008bkq.122.1296856061748; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:47:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.9.211 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:47:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4D4BA127.1040508@jmvalin.ca> References: <4D4BA127.1040508@jmvalin.ca> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 15:47:41 -0600 Message-ID: From: Anthony Minessale To: Jean-Marc Valin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "codec@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [codec] Opus ready for testing X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 21:44:20 -0000 Thanks for the hard work and all your help. I have checked a mod_opus for people to play with into FreeSWITCH. http://fisheye.freeswitch.org/changelog/freeswitch.git/?cs=3D8f565277e3a9e8= 14c12779f3d51f2527a081ef99 On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Jean-Marc Valin wrote= : > Hi everyone, > > We'd like to announce that the Opus codec is now ready for testing. The > bit-stream is now is a "pseudo-freeze", which means that unless a problem= is > found during testing/review, there are no longer any changes planned. The > only exception to this are the SILK-mode FEC and the stereo SILK mode, wh= ich > should be landing in the next few days. Considering that these are not > critical features, we felt like the testing phase could already begin. > > You can get the source code in two different ways. There is a release > tarball at http://jmvalin.ca/opus/opus-0.9.0.tar.gz . You can also extrac= t > the source directly from the I-D ( > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt ) with the following > command: > > cat draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt | grep '^\ \ \ ###' | > sed 's/\s\s\s###//' | base64 -d > opus_source.tar.gz > > There may still be a few rough edges, so let us know if you run into any > problem. Also, be aware that some combinations of invalid options to the > test_opus executable may result in a segfault rather than a more useful > error message. Also, if you are planning some listening test, let us know > the exact command line you are planning to use so we can make sure there = is > no problem. > > Cheers, > > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Jean-Marc > _______________________________________________ > codec mailing list > codec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec > --=20 Anthony Minessale II FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/FreeSWITCH_wire AIM: anthm MSN:anthony_minessale@hotmail.com GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.minessale@gmail.com IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch FreeSWITCH Developer Conference sip:888@conference.freeswitch.org googletalk:conf+888@conference.freeswitch.org pstn:+19193869900 From gmaxwell@juniper.net Fri Feb 4 14:01:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E3C3A67F2 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:01:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ne2bx+xaXu+1 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from exprod7og118.obsmtp.com (exprod7og118.obsmtp.com [64.18.2.8]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4281A3A67B0 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:01:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from source ([66.129.224.36]) (using TLSv1) by exprod7ob118.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTUx4BixAeGL94GHtT4XqShc8H+3Ng+dO@postini.com; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:04:57 PST Received: from EMBX01-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::c821:7c81:f21f:8bc7]) by P-EMHUB02-HQ.jnpr.net ([fe80::88f9:77fd:dfc:4d51%11]) with mapi; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:02:48 -0800 From: Gregory Maxwell To: Anthony Minessale , Jean-Marc Valin Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:01:25 -0800 Thread-Topic: [codec] Opus ready for testing Thread-Index: AcvEtStjJBAxend+TyuJltiG72yMIgAAeSU2 Message-ID: References: <4D4BA127.1040508@jmvalin.ca>, In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "codec@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [codec] Opus ready for testing X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:01:33 -0000 Please don't negotiate and signal this as "opus". I don't want to see non-= interoperable non-spec implementations getting out there and causing proble= ms when it negotiates it and then produces garbage output. =20 ________________________________________ From: codec-bounces@ietf.org [codec-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Anthony = Minessale [anthony.minessale@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 9:47 PM To: Jean-Marc Valin Cc: codec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [codec] Opus ready for testing Thanks for the hard work and all your help. I have checked a mod_opus for people to play with into FreeSWITCH. http://fisheye.freeswitch.org/changelog/freeswitch.git/?cs=3D8f565277e3a9e8= 14c12779f3d51f2527a081ef99 On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Jean-Marc Valin wrote= : > Hi everyone, > > We'd like to announce that the Opus codec is now ready for testing. The > bit-stream is now is a "pseudo-freeze", which means that unless a problem= is > found during testing/review, there are no longer any changes planned. The > only exception to this are the SILK-mode FEC and the stereo SILK mode, wh= ich > should be landing in the next few days. Considering that these are not > critical features, we felt like the testing phase could already begin. > > You can get the source code in two different ways. There is a release > tarball at http://jmvalin.ca/opus/opus-0.9.0.tar.gz . You can also extrac= t > the source directly from the I-D ( > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt ) with the following > command: > > cat draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt | grep '^\ \ \ ###' | > sed 's/\s\s\s###//' | base64 -d > opus_source.tar.gz > > There may still be a few rough edges, so let us know if you run into any > problem. Also, be aware that some combinations of invalid options to the > test_opus executable may result in a segfault rather than a more useful > error message. Also, if you are planning some listening test, let us know > the exact command line you are planning to use so we can make sure there = is > no problem. > > Cheers, > > Jean-Marc > _______________________________________________ > codec mailing list > codec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec > -- Anthony Minessale II FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/FreeSWITCH_wire AIM: anthm MSN:anthony_minessale@hotmail.com GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.minessale@gmail.com IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch FreeSWITCH Developer Conference sip:888@conference.freeswitch.org googletalk:conf+888@conference.freeswitch.org pstn:+19193869900 _______________________________________________ codec mailing list codec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec From anthony.minessale@gmail.com Fri Feb 4 14:10:58 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD7B3A69F1 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:10:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bbaka0dvoLhc for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:10:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B2373A68FC for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:10:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by bwz12 with SMTP id 12so3522218bwz.31 for ; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:14:21 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=2MEYC64ihdDKPNotgjzlaxSG4ya2EdZgJw4MTPqjTpQ=; b=w1cIA9a8l4b7ZBWpX78BYPQDQ2DWGJ7UbhQwAQnDmV5dwmIv1sfnguOV+fEzPecJ/k VEQ6BPSw5QCVJAVN7zYebHmaKL9r+kYKHixPWo58CT2abCpIXyKSy6/bQ6DO2/qv6SZ0 cTB8qfcvp33tbDnea4JWsRk96AzXZTuVnq4h4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Gy20frJa7Arbo37xRCw01FW3Kmu3N03edB2pT2Ms9VBzi3uVYAv06xuTkMZGPyyyaV dZVaNHFGuoP20ySAzhm8OUn4zLaES08P+kb9A6ykvqtmrW3jlzsM2JbIZ/0sT7sY6I8G Hsnh99GhL+2hjjcPvDPewJGJSZeKvAELKnATA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.126.87 with SMTP id b23mr6527281bks.203.1296857659697; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 14:14:19 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.9.211 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:14:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <4D4BA127.1040508@jmvalin.ca> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2011 16:14:19 -0600 Message-ID: From: Anthony Minessale To: Gregory Maxwell Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "codec@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [codec] Opus ready for testing X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 22:10:58 -0000 Changed to Opus-0.9.0 On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrot= e: > > Please don't negotiate and signal this as "opus". =A0I don't want to see = non-interoperable non-spec implementations getting out there and causing pr= oblems when it negotiates it and then produces garbage output. > > > > ________________________________________ > From: codec-bounces@ietf.org [codec-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Anthon= y Minessale [anthony.minessale@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2011 9:47 PM > To: Jean-Marc Valin > Cc: codec@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [codec] Opus ready for testing > > Thanks for the hard work and all your help. > I have checked a mod_opus for people to play with into FreeSWITCH. > http://fisheye.freeswitch.org/changelog/freeswitch.git/?cs=3D8f565277e3a9= e814c12779f3d51f2527a081ef99 > > > > > On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 12:48 AM, Jean-Marc Valin wro= te: >> Hi everyone, >> >> We'd like to announce that the Opus codec is now ready for testing. The >> bit-stream is now is a "pseudo-freeze", which means that unless a proble= m is >> found during testing/review, there are no longer any changes planned. Th= e >> only exception to this are the SILK-mode FEC and the stereo SILK mode, w= hich >> should be landing in the next few days. Considering that these are not >> critical features, we felt like the testing phase could already begin. >> >> You can get the source code in two different ways. There is a release >> tarball at http://jmvalin.ca/opus/opus-0.9.0.tar.gz . You can also extra= ct >> the source directly from the I-D ( >> http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt ) with the following >> command: >> >> cat draft-ietf-codec-opus-02.txt | grep '^\ \ \ ###' | >> sed 's/\s\s\s###//' | base64 -d > opus_source.tar.gz >> >> There may still be a few rough edges, so let us know if you run into any >> problem. Also, be aware that some combinations of invalid options to the >> test_opus executable may result in a segfault rather than a more useful >> error message. Also, if you are planning some listening test, let us kno= w >> the exact command line you are planning to use so we can make sure there= is >> no problem. >> >> Cheers, >> >> =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Jean-Marc >> _______________________________________________ >> codec mailing list >> codec@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec >> > > > > -- > Anthony Minessale II > > FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ > ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ > Twitter: http://twitter.com/FreeSWITCH_wire > > AIM: anthm > MSN:anthony_minessale@hotmail.com > GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.minessale@gmail.com > IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch > > FreeSWITCH Developer Conference > sip:888@conference.freeswitch.org > googletalk:conf+888@conference.freeswitch.org > pstn:+19193869900 > _______________________________________________ > codec mailing list > codec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec > --=20 Anthony Minessale II FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/FreeSWITCH_wire AIM: anthm MSN:anthony_minessale@hotmail.com GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.minessale@gmail.com IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch FreeSWITCH Developer Conference sip:888@conference.freeswitch.org googletalk:conf+888@conference.freeswitch.org pstn:+19193869900 From cloos@jhcloos.com Sat Feb 5 09:20:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EF7B3A6996 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 09:20:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.37 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.37 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.229, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id avLwxpN6fxpx for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 09:20:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from eagle.jhcloos.com (eagle.jhcloos.com [IPv6:2001:1938:12d::53]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869993A6B28 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 09:20:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by eagle.jhcloos.com (Postfix, from userid 10) id 8BE8340176; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:23:10 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=jhcloos.com; s=eagle; t=1296926614; bh=H5yzPGoPUSWnUSu+nX2YWzSw/UKp4H7UeoH2mr6VxAc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=oLAXevIxyogPt4PXcKLp0kSR/5S8vz9ZM1rO1R+w4I33IR9prl4cQsh4jKKceBIF4 77YiU4mrkp0goDGmS9GmQCHlLhvOBIMMfkUTeSnExMVyz0SVCZgGaFpYV7xYI26qxi me9ZSz9BFtDCjS+29Yp2pbW+qhwdcljZC4bLD320= Received: from carbon (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by carbon.jhcloos.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 888DB360029; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 17:16:16 +0000 (UTC) From: James Cloos To: Jean-Marc Valin In-Reply-To: <4D4C0B5C.3080609@jmvalin.ca> (Jean-Marc Valin's message of "Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:21:16 -0500") References: <4D4BA127.1040508@jmvalin.ca> <003401cbc448$a0e0d650$e2a282f0$@uni-tuebingen.de> <4D4C0B5C.3080609@jmvalin.ca> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAAf8/9hAAAABHNCSVQICAgIfAhkiAAAAI1J REFUOE+lU9ESgCAIg64P1y+ngUdxhl5H8wFbbM0OmUiEhKkCYaZThXCo6KE5sCbA1DDX3genvO4d eBQgEMaM5qy6uWk4SfBYfdu9jvBN9nSVDOKRtwb+I3epboOsOX5pZbJNsBJFvmQQ05YMfieIBnYX FK2N6dOawd97r/e8RjkTLzmMsiVgrAoEugtviCM3v2WzjgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Copyright: Copyright 2011 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 12:16:16 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 12 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Hashcash: 1:30:110205:jmvalin@jmvalin.ca::XSS43/bA7MpH8pL3:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000006+paL X-Hashcash: 1:30:110205:codec@ietf.org::UAUYrTJBWxldVNN8:00RPPEP Cc: codec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [codec] Opus ready for testing X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 17:20:16 -0000 >>>>> "JV" == Jean-Marc Valin writes: JV> Yes, the source code in the tarball, the draft and (until the next JV> commit) git are identical. The repo seems to lack any tags. It would be useful if each tar release were tagged, even pre-releases such as 0.9.0. (A signed tag is best, so that git describe works.) -JimC -- James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6 From jmvalin@jmvalin.ca Sat Feb 5 14:18:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECD573A6A19 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 14:18:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[none] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tc0M3OZv7Ff2 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 14:18:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E39F3A69E9 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2011 14:18:27 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.1.14] ([184.160.206.46]) by vl-mh-mrz21.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0LG600DTY0M3GBD0@vl-mh-mrz21.ip.videotron.ca> for codec@ietf.org; Sat, 05 Feb 2011 17:18:04 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <4D4DCCA7.2080600@jmvalin.ca> Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 17:18:15 -0500 From: Jean-Marc Valin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 To: James Cloos References: <4D4BA127.1040508@jmvalin.ca> <003401cbc448$a0e0d650$e2a282f0$@uni-tuebingen.de> <4D4C0B5C.3080609@jmvalin.ca> In-reply-to: Cc: codec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [codec] Opus ready for testing X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 22:18:31 -0000 Sorry, I had it tagged, but forgot to push. Tag is "v0.9". Jean-Marc On 11-02-05 12:16 PM, James Cloos wrote: >>>>>> "JV" == Jean-Marc Valin writes: > > JV> Yes, the source code in the tarball, the draft and (until the next > JV> commit) git are identical. > > The repo seems to lack any tags. It would be useful if each tar > release were tagged, even pre-releases such as 0.9.0. (A signed > tag is best, so that git describe works.) > > -JimC From tterribe@xiph.org Thu Feb 10 21:21:16 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F3D3A6867 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:21:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iseBgM-SYwxC for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:21:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mxip1i.isis.unc.edu (mxip1i.isis.unc.edu [152.2.0.74]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D343A6848 for ; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:21:07 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApwEAIJWVE2sGgRS/2dsb2JhbACEHaJLqxyQLoEngz92BIUBhnuDJgw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,453,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="74222868" Received: from mr1a.isis.unc.edu (HELO smtp.unc.edu) ([172.26.4.82]) by mxip1o.isis.unc.edu with ESMTP; 11 Feb 2011 00:21:21 -0500 X-UNC-Auth-As: tterribe X-UNC-Auth-IP: 71.198.47.72 Received: from [172.17.0.5] ([71.198.47.72]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp.unc.edu (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1B5LGTM013908 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:21:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D54C74C.5000903@xiph.org> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 21:21:16 -0800 From: "Timothy B. Terriberry" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.1.15) Gecko/20101120 Gentoo/2.0.10 SeaMonkey/2.0.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: codec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [codec] Alternative CELT implementation X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 05:21:16 -0000 As part of the development leading up to the latest milestone, I wrote an "independent" implementation of libcelt (at least, as independent as I could be as one of the original authors of libcelt). It can be obtained here: http://people.xiph.org/~tterribe/celt/celtdec-0.008.tar.gz I tried to make as many implementation choices differently from libcelt as possible, and strove for simplicity where I could. For example, PVQ decoding uses 5kB of ROM and just 17 lines of code (compared to over 700 lines of code in libcelt's cwrs.c, though in libcelt's defense that does encoding, too). The range coder implements all of its specialized versions by calling the general-purpose functions, even though this costs more CPU. libcelt's enormous quant_band() has been implemented instead with no less than 5 different functions, with (what I think) is a much clearer control flow (only one of those five is recursive!). The calculations needed for folding are done (as much as they can be) just-in-time, instead of just-in-case, etc., etc. Some code still parallels libcelt very closely (such as the general-purpose range coder functions), but this is because doing so is basically required by the bitstream. In some places libcelt has been brought _more_ in-line with this code since I started writing it, so they are not as different as they originally were (see libcelt commit a093f4df from last Thursday). This code only supports the standard Opus modes, though it could be made to support custom modes by adding static definitions for them (on-the-fly mode creation is not supported), but it does not support resampling. It does not implement any form of PLC (as I understand it, this is not required). It currently supports CELT only, and the simplistic test driver does not parse the Opus packet header (in fact, it requires raw, CBR CELT data, as it does not parse any kind of packet sizes at all). This will likely change at some point in the future. This effort has been invaluable in uncovering issues with both the libcelt code and the bitstream, but it is definitely only for tinkerers at the moment. There is no build system: just compile all the .c files. Some numbers: sloccount claims there are 3,115 lines of code, though wc -l gives exactly 4,000. Running size on a 32-bit x86 executable optimized for space gives just under 36 kB (the actual file is 42 kB). It decodes to within +/-1 of libcelt on every sample I've tried. It passes Jean-Marc's compliance test, with far fewer differences than the fixed-point version (and in fact helped uncover some divide by zero issues in the test, for files with no errors over the threshold), though I have only checked a few files, since we do not have a formal set of test streams yet. The effort took about 2 weeks from initial code to first working version, though more effort has been expended to keep up with recent changes in libcelt (indeed, it was driving many of them). Anyway, if anyone plays around with it and finds anything interesting, let me know. 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The press release is here , relevant part is below. The meeting resolution approving the press release is here . Rob *INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION FOR STANDARDISATION ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION ISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO* ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 N11703 January 2011 -- Daegu, KR Source: Convenor of MPEG Status: Approved by WG11 Subject: MPEG Press Release Date: 28 January, 2011 *MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard* Daegu, KR -- The 95^th MPEG meeting was held in Daegu, Korea from the 24^th to the 28^th of January 2011. *Highlights of the 95^th Meeting* *MPEG anticipates March 2011 CfP for Type-1 Video Coding Standard* MPEG has been producing standards that provide industry with the best video compression technologies. In recognition of the growing importance that the Internet plays in the generation and consumption of video content, MPEG intends to develop a new video compression standard in line with the expected usage models of the Internet. The new standard is intended to achieve substantially better compression performance than that offered by MPEG-2 and possibly comparable to that offered by the AVC Baseline Profile. MPEG will issue a call for proposals on video compression technology at the end of its upcoming meeting in March 2011 that is expected to lead to a standard falling under ISO/IEC "Type-1 licensing", i.e. intended to be "royalty free". --------------030900090603010400060701 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------080906090205010202000902" --------------080906090205010202000902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI:

MPEG has issued a press release describing its intent to move forward on developing a royalty-free MPEG standard.

The press release is here, relevant part is below.  The meeting resolution approving the press release is here.

Rob

INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION FOR STANDARDISATION
ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION
ISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11
CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO

ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 N11703
January 2011 – Daegu, KR

Source: Convenor of MPEG
Status: Approved by WG11
Subject: MPEG Press Release
Date: 28 January, 2011

MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard

Daegu, KR – The 95th MPEG meeting was held in Daegu, Korea from the 24th to the 28th of January 2011.

Highlights of the 95th Meeting

MPEG anticipates March 2011 CfP for Type-1 Video Coding Standard

MPEG has been producing standards that provide industry with the best video compression technologies. In recognition of the growing importance that the Internet plays in the generation and consumption of video content, MPEG intends to develop a new video compression standard in line with the expected usage models of the Internet. The new standard is intended to achieve substantially better compression performance than that offered by MPEG-2 and possibly comparable to that offered by the AVC Baseline Profile. MPEG will issue a call for proposals on video compression technology at the end of its upcoming meeting in March 2011 that is expected to lead to a standard falling under ISO/IEC “Type-1 licensing”, i.e. intended to be “royalty free”.


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--0-164857409-1297467155=:24773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know people sometimes confuse MPEG and MPEGLA. =0A=0AThe press release be= low is from MPEG, the working group of ISO, =0A=0ANOT from =0A=0AMPEGLA (h= ttp://www.mpegla.com/) which is a private entity often more noticed.=0A=0AB= est regards=0A=0AGerard=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom:= Rob Glidden =0ATo: "codec@ietf.org" ; dispatch@ietf.org=0ASent: Fri, 11 February, 2011 15:07:46=0ASubject:= [codec] "MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard"=0A=0AFYI:= =0A=0AMPEG has issued a press release describing its intent to move f= orward on =0Adeveloping a royalty-free MPEG standard. =0A=0AThe press r= elease is here, relevant part is below. The meeting resolution =0Aap= proving the press release is here.=0A=0ARob=0A=0AINTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION= FOR STANDARDISATION=0AORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION= =0AISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11=0ACODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO=0AISO/IE= C JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 N11703=0AJanuary 2011 =E2=80=93 Daegu, KR=0ASource: Con= venor of MPEG =0AStatus: Approved by WG11 =0ASubject: MPEG Press Release = =0ADate: 28 January, 2011 =0AMPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video= coding standard=0ADaegu, KR =E2=80=93 The 95th MPEG meeting was held= in Daegu, Korea from the 24th =0Ato the 28th of January 2011.=0AHigh= lights of the 95th Meeting=0AMPEG anticipates March 2011 CfP for Ty= pe-1 Video Coding Standard=0AMPEG has been producing standards that provide= industry with the best =0Avideo compression technologies. In recogni= tion of the growing importance =0Athat the Internet plays in the gene= ration and consumption of video =0Acontent, MPEG intends to develop a= new video compression standard in line =0Awith the expected usage mo= dels of the Internet. The new standard is =0Aintended to achieve subs= tantially better compression performance than that =0Aoffered by MPEG= -2 and possibly comparable to that offered by the AVC =0ABaseline Pro= file. MPEG will issue a call for proposals on video =0Acompression = technology at the end of its upcoming meeting in March 2011 =0Athat = is expected to lead to a standard falling under ISO/IEC =E2=80=9CType-1 = =0Alicensing=E2=80=9D, i.e. intended to be =E2=80=9Croyalty free=E2= =80=9D. --0-164857409-1297467155=:24773 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="0-1441402026-1297467155=:24773" --0-1441402026-1297467155=:24773 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I kn= ow people sometimes confuse MPEG and MPEGLA.

The press release belo= w is from MPEG, the working group of  ISO,

NOT from

MPEGLA (http://www.mpegla.com/= ) which is a private entity often more noticed.

Best regards<= br>
Gerard

<= hr size=3D"1">From: Rob Gl= idden <rob.glidden@sbcglobal.net>
To: "codec@ietf.org" <codec@ietf.org>; dispatch@ietf.org
Sent: Fri, 11 February, 2011 15:07:46<= br>Subject: [codec] "MPEG = envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard"

=0A=0A = =0A=0A =0A =0A FYI:
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=0A MPEG has issued a press=0A release<= /a> describing its intent to move forward on developing a=0A royalty-fre= e MPEG standard.=0A

The press release is here, relevant part is below.  The meeting=0A resolut= ion approving the press release is here.=
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Rob
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INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION=0A FOR STANDARDISATION=0A ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION
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=0A CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO

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ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 N= 11703
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Source:Convenor of MPEG3D""
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MPEG envisages royalty-free=0A MPEG video coding standard<= /p>=0A

Daegu, KR =E2=80=93 The 95t= h MPEG=0A meeting was held in Daegu, Korea from the 24th to the=0A 28th of January 2011.

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Hi= ghlights of the 95th Meeting

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MPEG anticipates March 2011=0A CfP for Type= -1 Video Coding Standard

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MPEG has been producing stan= dards that provide industry with the=0A best video compression technol= ogies. In recognition of the growing=0A importance that the Internet p= lays in the generation and=0A consumption of video content, MPEG inten= ds to develop a new video=0A compression standard in line with the exp= ected usage models of the=0A Internet. The new standard is intended to= achieve substantially=0A better compression performance than that off= ered by MPEG-2 and=0A possibly comparable to that offered by the AVC B= aseline Profile.=0A MPEG will issue a call for proposals on video comp= ression=0A technology at the end of its upcoming meeting in March 2011= that=0A is expected to lead to a standard falling under ISO/IEC =E2= =80=9CType-1=0A licensing=E2=80=9D, i.e. intended to be =E2=80=9Croyal= ty free=E2=80=9D.

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"codec@ietf.org" , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [dispatch] "MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard" Thread-Index: AcvK0WHrdiR7UCbphUOp5MQk3IS5oA== In-Reply-To: <4D55C142.7010308@sbcglobal.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/related; boundary="B_3380351098_13893505" Subject: Re: [codec] [dispatch] "MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard" X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 16:24:49 -0000 > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3380351098_13893505 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3380351098_13864809" --B_3380351098_13864809 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Is there a proposed timeline? Thanks, Henry On 2/11/11 5:07 PM, "Rob Glidden" wrote: > FYI: > =20 > MPEG has issued a press release > ng-standard/> describing its intent to move forward on developing a > royalty-free MPEG standard. >=20 > The press release is here > , relevan= t > part is below. The meeting resolution approving the press release is her= e > . > =20 > =20 >=20 > Rob > =20 > =20 > INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION FOR STANDARDISATION > ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION > ISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 > CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO > =20 > ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 N11703 > January 2011 =AD Daegu, KR > =20 > Source: Convenor of MPEG > Status: Approved by WG11 > Subject: MPEG Press Release > Date: 28 January, 2011 > MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard > =20 > Daegu, KR =AD The 95th MPEG meeting was held in Daegu, Korea from the 24th = to > the 28th of January 2011. > =20 >=20 > Highlights of the 95th Meeting > =20 > MPEG anticipates March 2011 CfP for Type-1 Video Coding Standard > =20 >=20 > MPEG has been producing standards that provide industry with the best vid= eo > compression technologies. In recognition of the growing importance that t= he > Internet plays in the generation and consumption of video content, MPEG > intends to develop a new video compression standard in line with the expe= cted > usage models of the Internet. The new standard is intended to achieve > substantially better compression performance than that offered by MPEG-2 = and > possibly comparable to that offered by the AVC Baseline Profile. MPEG wil= l > issue a call for proposals on video compression technology at the end of = its > upcoming meeting in March 2011 that is expected to lead to a standard fal= ling > under ISO/IEC =B3Type-1 licensing=B2, i.e. intended to be =B3royalty free=B2. > =20 > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch --B_3380351098_13864809 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [dispatch] "MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding s= tandard" Is there a proposed timeline?

Thanks, Henry


On 2/11/11 5:07 PM, "Rob Glidden" <rob.glidden@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:13pt'>   FYI:
 
 MPEG has issued a press release <http://ww= w.robglidden.com/2011/02/mpeg-envisages-royalty-free-mpeg-video-coding-stand= ard/>  describing its intent to move forward on developing a roy= alty-free MPEG standard.

The press release is here <http://mpeg.chiariglione.org/meetings/daegu11/dae= gu_press.htm> , relevant part is below.  The meeting resolution = approving the press release is here <http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc29/open/29vie= w/29n11820c.htm> .
 
 

Rob
 
 

INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION FOR STANDARDISATION
 ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION
 ISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11
 CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO

=20

ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 N11703
 January 2011 – Daegu, KR

  
 Source: Convenor of MPEG  <= BR>  Status: Approved by WG11  
 Subject: MPEG Press Release  
 Date: 28 January, 2011    

MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard

=20

Daegu, KR – The 95th MPEG meeting was held in Daegu, Korea from the = 24th to the 28th of January 2011.



Highlights of the 95th Meeting
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MPEG anticipates March 2011 CfP for Type-1 Video Coding Standard



MPEG has been producing standards that provide industry with the best video= compression technologies. In recognition of the growing importance that the= Internet plays in the generation and consumption of video content, MPEG int= ends to develop a new video compression standard in line with the expected u= sage models of the Internet. The new standard is intended to achieve substan= tially better compression performance than that offered by MPEG-2 and possib= ly comparable to that offered by the AVC Baseline Profile. MPEG will issue a= call for proposals on video compression technology at the end of its upcomi= ng meeting in March 2011 that is expected to lead to a standard falling unde= r ISO/IEC “Type-1 licensing”, i.e. intended to be “royalty= free”.
 
 

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envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard" X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 19:43:54 -0000 On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Henry Sinnreich wrote: > Is there a proposed timeline? >=20 > Thanks, Henry >=20 >=20 > On 2/11/11 5:07 PM, "Rob Glidden" wrote: >=20 >> FYI: >> =20 >> MPEG has issued a press release = describing its intent to move forward on developing a = royalty-free MPEG standard.=20 >>=20 >> The press release is here = , = relevant part is below. The meeting resolution approving the press = release is here = . >> =20 And, on this subject, MPEG-LA has called for "patents essential to = VP8/WebM" for a patent pool for that codec. http://www.mpegla.com/main/pid/vp8/default.aspx Regards Marshall >> =20 >>=20 >> Rob >> =20 >> =20 >> INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION FOR STANDARDISATION >> ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION >> ISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 >> CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO >>=20 >> ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 N11703 >> January 2011 =96 Daegu, KR >> =20 >> Source: Convenor of MPEG =20 >> Status: Approved by WG11 =20 >> Subject: MPEG Press Release =20 >> Date: 28 January, 2011 =20 >> MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard >>=20 >> Daegu, KR =96 The 95th MPEG meeting was held in Daegu, Korea from the = 24th to the 28th of January 2011. >>=20 >>=20 >> Highlights of the 95th Meeting >> MPEG anticipates March 2011 CfP for Type-1 Video Coding Standard >>=20 >>=20 >> MPEG has been producing standards that provide industry with the best = video compression technologies. In recognition of the growing importance = that the Internet plays in the generation and consumption of video = content, MPEG intends to develop a new video compression standard in = line with the expected usage models of the Internet. The new standard is = intended to achieve substantially better compression performance than = that offered by MPEG-2 and possibly comparable to that offered by the = AVC Baseline Profile. MPEG will issue a call for proposals on video = compression technology at the end of its upcoming meeting in March 2011 = that is expected to lead to a standard falling under ISO/IEC =93Type-1 = licensing=94, i.e. intended to be =93royalty free=94. >> =20 >> =20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dispatch mailing list >> dispatch@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch From rob.glidden@sbcglobal.net Sat Feb 12 12:35:45 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254163A69EC for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:35:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.773 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.773 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.825, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C01sq1L3TdTw for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:35:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from nm20.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (nm20.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [98.139.52.217]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id E24DC3A6983 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:35:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [98.139.52.191] by nm20.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2011 20:35:55 -0000 Received: from [98.139.52.175] by tm4.bullet.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2011 20:35:55 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1058.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Feb 2011 20:35:55 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 813860.48218.bm@omp1058.mail.ac4.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 19837 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2011 20:35:55 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=DKIM-Signature:Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=IBXKQuKFhVeXcAI+43T0rf//duA//MG8me4ncJdYLjT9hag0eR7rYukYhn1vrYlK965hU+oxgIUHJoLS0XaqN1UUXM851L4oGPO9FHvmTtHKMxANcQiqNO2qEkGN9KkDa4XizAs+ON6zPNoBDEhxXOQtz7yB/3/R7swVDnEeSMk= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1297542955; bh=wsxKIdoDhtp+8iFP039FNsetv3fpkBuaWhMfTYJ7Icw=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=0X765u96s80TwzvmIFYbTNSfOZnyodHJD+2y2k3vuSnTyw5OKPPF6a9ficZZhsiOFs3BjuUvIaP0y7HHifodwQTRPolCkX50nLAh+aA6PKjAsJwon955kk+seMgQ49We0vG4PERzzM9PP8w1bLjZR09FJrj7BAKnh+NCwe1ilG8= Received: from [172.16.1.41] (rob.glidden@68.124.182.1 with plain) by smtp102.sbc.mail.re3.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2011 12:35:53 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: xflwSnaswBCuS46GvTyhPI4RUJpgPG5UXouB5Vxqo4t9fsHeH0I- X-YMail-OSG: h_1vRRUVM1mnHo4PxuMPPGVYWnMgiT3DvdfCh.I5p19Mnbt Pv3ZsqdBFjF0tXrjNSNAKH78skLHqbxoIQ6AS0VAKMZY9yoxT.kOSuisTTCO IL_da.9v_ZJ_w7F6PgQEK0yfFVh0v9kerSFbJ1g4RhRR0MEbuc.jm1fdy6QX 68tusCNzPyqpvpRig1uCXaJdG3XwRkB.5HkoKzgYFlZKzenm7WrFDoHlMShT e8o8BgVxcO9ubeF0BNx6yUfCsROGsGFynem95ctueu0EEDFd9Kgk9tJEGZNG JOK6cSfmKNYTBmmGHZJ7m7KqUscp_Ge62ag-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D56EF1E.70103@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:35:42 -0800 From: Rob Glidden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henry Sinnreich References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------020305030508050103060601" Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, "codec@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [codec] [dispatch] "MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard" X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:35:45 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020305030508050103060601 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This activity has been underway for some time, a call for comments went out in Oct. 2009 , with subsequent calls for evidence and participation. This particular press release just states an intent to issue a call for proposals at the next MPEG meeting in March. SC29 is the voting body, it is an official ISO body with ISO voting rules. Rob On 2/12/2011 8:24 AM, Henry Sinnreich wrote: > Is there a proposed timeline? > > Thanks, Henry > > > On 2/11/11 5:07 PM, "Rob Glidden" wrote: > > FYI: > > MPEG has issued a press release > > describing its intent to move forward on developing a > royalty-free MPEG standard. > > The press release is here > , > relevant part is below. The meeting resolution approving the > press release is here > . > > > > Rob > > *INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION FOR STANDARDISATION > ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION > ISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 > CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO * > > ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 N11703 > January 2011 -- Daegu, KR > > > Source: Convenor of MPEG > Status: Approved by WG11 > Subject: MPEG Press Release > Date: 28 January, 2011 > > *MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard * > > Daegu, KR -- The 95th MPEG meeting was held in Daegu, Korea from > the 24th to the 28th of January 2011. > > > > *Highlights of the 95th Meeting > * > > *MPEG anticipates March 2011 CfP for Type-1 Video Coding Standard * > > > > MPEG has been producing standards that provide industry with the > best video compression technologies. In recognition of the growing > importance that the Internet plays in the generation and > consumption of video content, MPEG intends to develop a new video > compression standard in line with the expected usage models of the > Internet. The new standard is intended to achieve substantially > better compression performance than that offered by MPEG-2 and > possibly comparable to that offered by the AVC Baseline Profile. > MPEG will issue a call for proposals on video compression > technology at the end of its upcoming meeting in March 2011 that > is expected to lead to a standard falling under ISO/IEC "Type-1 > licensing", i.e. intended to be "royalty free". > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > --------------020305030508050103060601 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------050306080409090600020907" --------------050306080409090600020907 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This activity has been underway for some time, a call for comments went out in Oct. 2009, with subsequent calls for evidence and participation.

This particular press release just states an intent to issue a call for proposals at the next MPEG meeting in March.

SC29 is the voting body, it is an official ISO body with ISO voting rules.

Rob


On 2/12/2011 8:24 AM, Henry Sinnreich wrote:
Re: [dispatch] "MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard" Is there a proposed timeline?

Thanks, Henry


On 2/11/11 5:07 PM, "Rob Glidden" <rob.glidden@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
  FYI:
 
 MPEG has issued a press release <http://www.robglidden.com/2011/02/mpeg-envisages-royalty-free-mpeg-video-coding-standard/>  describing its intent to move forward on developing a royalty-free MPEG standard.

The press release is here <http://mpeg.chiariglione.org/meetings/daegu11/daegu_press.htm> , relevant part is below.  The meeting resolution approving the press release is here <http://www.itscj.ipsj.or.jp/sc29/open/29view/29n11820c.htm> .
 
 

Rob
 
 

INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION FOR STANDARDISATION
 ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION
 ISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11
 CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO

ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 N11703
 January 2011 – Daegu, KR

  
 Source: Convenor of MPEG  
 Status: Approved by WG11  
 Subject: MPEG Press Release  
 Date: 28 January, 2011    

MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard

Daegu, KR – The 95th MPEG meeting was held in Daegu, Korea from the 24th to the 28th of January 2011.



Highlights of the 95th Meeting

MPEG anticipates March 2011 CfP for Type-1 Video Coding Standard



MPEG has been producing standards that provide industry with the best video compression technologies. In recognition of the growing importance that the Internet plays in the generation and consumption of video content, MPEG intends to develop a new video compression standard in line with the expected usage models of the Internet. The new standard is intended to achieve substantially better compression performance than that offered by MPEG-2 and possibly comparable to that offered by the AVC Baseline Profile. MPEG will issue a call for proposals on video compression technology at the end of its upcoming meeting in March 2011 that is expected to lead to a standard falling under ISO/IEC “Type-1 licensing”, i.e. intended to be “royalty free”.
 
 

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12:48:28 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: xflwSnaswBCuS46GvTyhPI4RUJpgPG5UXouB5Vxqo4t9fsHeH0I- X-YMail-OSG: WMqUwzEVM1ls96chUXy0OCHOs79JLi3BW8MaYMCC.BtqSEK QFwpGxmNbzUlgIGch4wHQKmVRhIhvJdqic505MCxhUe1DC0RDfF1wgLcumaK utaVPlcfdaYTbF9iEbdyvukqSa1Tm7Wq.5KX29xqsoH9ZDXUD7HA2oa8gVe5 MHgOP3IQHh6I51L2iY62UpwnV7GF_FnAnfJrsxsjHPW.mFLbQCELIG9uYZXP 1NGI7SAHMjoyLpOy3rlFYEYYSDWvw8xyFCN7uMlWMnqZ7r2EQyXRzBTolsAR BAzn1Eg1OKMTlX94mXSShoRv5QizAR2GN3A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4D56F210.20508@sbcglobal.net> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:48:16 -0800 From: Rob Glidden User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101207 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marshall Eubanks References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: dispatch@ietf.org, "codec@ietf.org" , Henry Sinnreich Subject: Re: [codec] [dispatch] "MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard" X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 20:48:11 -0000 There are "calls" and then there are "calls". Any company can issue a "call", no one has to respond, results don't have to be disclosed (not even according to some interesting DOJ interpretations of pools). Standards groups are different beasts. Rob On 2/12/2011 11:44 AM, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > On Feb 12, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Henry Sinnreich wrote: > >> Is there a proposed timeline? >> >> Thanks, Henry >> >> >> On 2/11/11 5:07 PM, "Rob Glidden" wrote: >> >>> FYI: >>> >>> MPEG has issued a press release describing its intent to move forward on developing a royalty-free MPEG standard. >>> >>> The press release is here , relevant part is below. The meeting resolution approving the press release is here . >>> > And, on this subject, MPEG-LA has called for "patents essential to VP8/WebM" for a patent pool for that codec. > > http://www.mpegla.com/main/pid/vp8/default.aspx > > Regards > Marshall > > > >>> >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> >>> INTERNATIONAL ORGANISATION FOR STANDARDISATION >>> ORGANISATION INTERNATIONALE DE NORMALISATION >>> ISO/IEC/JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 >>> CODING OF MOVING PICTURES AND AUDIO >>> >>> ISO/IEC JTC 1/SC 29/WG 11 N11703 >>> January 2011 – Daegu, KR >>> >>> Source: Convenor of MPEG >>> Status: Approved by WG11 >>> Subject: MPEG Press Release >>> Date: 28 January, 2011 >>> MPEG envisages royalty-free MPEG video coding standard >>> >>> Daegu, KR – The 95th MPEG meeting was held in Daegu, Korea from the 24th to the 28th of January 2011. >>> >>> >>> Highlights of the 95th Meeting >>> MPEG anticipates March 2011 CfP for Type-1 Video Coding Standard >>> >>> >>> MPEG has been producing standards that provide industry with the best video compression technologies. In recognition of the growing importance that the Internet plays in the generation and consumption of video content, MPEG intends to develop a new video compression standard in line with the expected usage models of the Internet. The new standard is intended to achieve substantially better compression performance than that offered by MPEG-2 and possibly comparable to that offered by the AVC Baseline Profile. MPEG will issue a call for proposals on video compression technology at the end of its upcoming meeting in March 2011 that is expected to lead to a standard falling under ISO/IEC “Type-1 licensing”, i.e. intended to be “royalty free”. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> dispatch mailing list >>> dispatch@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch >> _______________________________________________ >> dispatch mailing list >> dispatch@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch > From Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Mon Feb 14 21:15:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64C323A6E36; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:15:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.554 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.554 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.045, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ndHpqGJ+NG9g; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:15:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89453A6D93; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:15:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org To: i-d-announce@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 3.12 Message-ID: <20110215051501.20088.84887.idtracker@localhost> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:15:01 -0800 Cc: codec@ietf.org Subject: [codec] I-D Action:draft-ietf-codec-opus-03.txt X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:15:02 -0000 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Internet Wideband Audio Codec Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definition of the Opus Audio Codec Author(s) : J. Valin, K. Vos Filename : draft-ietf-codec-opus-03.txt Pages : 185 Date : 2011-02-14 This document describes the Opus codec, designed for interactive speech and audio transmission over the Internet. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-codec-opus-03.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-codec-opus-03.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2011-02-14211457.I-D@ietf.org> --NextPart-- From jmvalin@jmvalin.ca Mon Feb 14 21:51:12 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 320213A6E3F for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:51:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SZVDj8-+XTdI for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:51:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from relais.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC743A68A3 for ; Mon, 14 Feb 2011 21:51:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Received: from [192.168.1.14] ([184.160.206.46]) by vl-mo-mrz23.ip.videotron.ca (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-8.01 (built Dec 16 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTP id <0LGN004YP9L4VOC0@vl-mo-mrz23.ip.videotron.ca> for codec@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:51:05 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <4D5A145E.7090703@jmvalin.ca> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 00:51:26 -0500 From: Jean-Marc Valin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101208 Thunderbird/3.1.7 To: "codec@ietf.org" Subject: [codec] Updated Opus draft X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 05:51:12 -0000 Hi, We have updated the Opus draft. The revised version is available at http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-codec-opus-03.txt and a tarball is available at http://downloads.xiph.org/releases/opus/opus-0.9.1.tar.gz . Because of some minor bugs we found in the previous release, we had to change the bit-stream slightly for 0.9.1. The quality should not be affected except for small improvements in rare cases. The release also adds support for forward error correction in SILK-only and hybrid modes. The only planned feature that is not in yet is stereo support in SILK-only and hybrid mode. We are working on this. We have also setup a basic website with some information about Opus: http://opus-codec.org/ There isn't much yet, but we'll keep adding to it. Cheers, Jean-Marc From fluffy@cisco.com Sat Feb 26 05:52:49 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C1F3A6937 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:52:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.077, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uw4XXnmS9+K0 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:52:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from sj-iport-1.cisco.com (sj-iport-1.cisco.com [171.71.176.70]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8EF53A6929 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 05:52:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fluffy@cisco.com; l=151; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1298728424; x=1299938024; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:subject:date:references: to:message-id:mime-version; bh=GHJqbxCvLsxa2b/4qwA51ZES14tJpkaAMoIzayWu5fI=; b=Lrknd+d7tg4nJkMz0YZQl4yDFWObPbVOKJDCVHkq5CuS7WxZcA9wetYs B/GNfscCHgoJuYifJ2Po1T6DIulO07RBMItg4mTgxlsR2UiqgLTMXiCWV fGafzR83b0+20RfUQqQUshZz1r1Ab/f2gznknKbo3n0BwkXbBqODp5khU U=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AuYGAIuUaE2rRN+J/2dsb2JhbACYNI4SdKA0mzGFYQSFEIcNgz4 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.62,231,1297036800"; d="scan'208";a="411016826" Received: from sj-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.223.137]) by sj-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2011 13:53:43 +0000 Received: from [192.168.4.2] (rcdn-fluffy-8711.cisco.com [10.99.9.18]) by sj-core-3.cisco.com (8.13.8/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p1QDqmZ7026447 for ; Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:53:44 GMT From: Cullen Jennings Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 06:56:05 -0700 References: <20110224232103.77A743A680D@core3.amsl.com> To: codec@ietf.org Message-Id: <7E3E9AC1-7F53-439F-8840-79FFAE54DBC1@cisco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: [codec] Fwd: CODEC - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 80 X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:52:49 -0000 Tentative time for codec ... Begin forwarded message: > CODEC Session 1 (2 hours) > Thursday, Morning Session I 0900-1130 > Room Name: Roma