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The chairs believe draft-ietf-codec-requirements-04 addresses the 
comments made during the second WGLC of this document. As such, we have 
formally requested that the IESG approve publication of the document as 
an Informational RFC. This is a great milestone, and we'd like to thank 
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies. This draft is a work item of the Internet Wideband Audio Codec Working=
 Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Guidelines for the Codec Development Within the IETF
	Author(s)       : Jean-Marc Valin
                          Slava Borilin
                          Koen Vos
                          Christopher Montgomery
                          Raymond (Juin-Hwey) Chen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-codec-guidelines-01.txt
	Pages           : 19
	Date            : 2011-06-13

   This document provides general guidelines for work on developing and
   specifying a codec within the IETF.  These guidelines cover the
   development process, evaluation, requirements conformance, and
   intellectual property issues.


A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-codec-guidelines-01.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
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The IETF LC announcement should appear later today.

RjS

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Hi,

We've collected all the test results we could find for Opus (and pre-Opus) 
and how they relate to the requirements. We summarized it all in the 
following draft:
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-valin-codec-results-00

Cheers,

	Jean-Marc

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The IESG has received a request from the Internet Wideband Audio Codec WG
(codec) to consider the following document:
- 'Codec Requirements'
  <draft-ietf-codec-requirements-04.txt> as an Informational RFC

The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits
final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the
ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by 2011-06-30. Exceptionally, comments may be
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Abstract


   This document provides specific requirements for an Internet audio
   codec.  These requirements address quality, sampling rate, bit-rate,
   and packet loss robustness, as well as other desirable properties.




The file can be obtained via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-codec-requirements/

IESG discussion can be tracked via
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-codec-requirements/


No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D.



From hoene@uni-tuebingen.de  Thu Jun 16 13:22:17 2011
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Just a question,

What is the current status of the Opus payload draft? Anything ready to =
publish?

With best regards,

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The URL http://tools.ietf.org/wg/codec/ still has the word wideband in =
this title...
However, that is really not important. It only causes some confusion =
before the founding of this WG.


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Hi Christian,

On 11-06-16 04:21 PM, Christian Hoene wrote:
> Thank you very much for your efforts.  Allow me to play again the role of
> the critic. For the readers of Opus characterization document it would be
> more useful to have the measured results in table (concrete figures).

Note that this draft is not meant to include all the details of the tests. 
For that, you should refer to the original results documents that are cited 
for each test. All of them are available on the net except for the most 
recent test: "Voice Quality Characterization of IETF Opus Codec" that will 
be presented by Anssi Ramo (from Nokia) at Interspeech 2011. However, he 
was kind enough to provide me with a copy and gave me permission to 
redistribute it to working group members upon request.

> Also, in order to plan further listening-only tests, an overview of missing
> test cases is missing.
>
> Do you plan to provide anything in this respect in a later update of the
> document? How is going to coordinate future tests? Or do been already enough
> tests been made?

As stated in the conclusion, we believe that the combination of all tests 
demonstrates that Opus is better than the codecs it needs to beat. Feel 
free to conduct any test you deem useful if you disagree with parts of the 
conclusions.

> Do you plan to have an additional informal IETF RFC with the
> characterization results? This would make sense but it requires changes in
> the charter...

At this point, this draft is not meant to ever become an RFC. It is only 
meant for discussion (friendlier than a lengthy post on the mailing list).

Cheers,

	Jean-Marc

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I just read the requirements draft, ago The requirement for supporting =
DTMF has been dropped thus testing is not required indeed. Fine with me. =


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Hi Jean-Marc,

> We've collected all the test results we could find for Opus (and pre-Opus)
> and how they relate to the requirements. We summarized it all in the
> following draft:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-valin-codec-results-00

Thank you very much for your efforts.  Allow me to play again the role of
the critic. For the readers of Opus characterization document it would be
more useful to have the measured results in table (concrete figures). 

Also, in order to plan further listening-only tests, an overview of missing
test cases is missing. 

Do you plan to provide anything in this respect in a later update of the
document? How is going to coordinate future tests? Or do been already enough
tests been made?

Do you plan to have an additional informal IETF RFC with the
characterization results? This would make sense but it requires changes in
the charter...

 With best regards,

 Christian 



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Hello,

In this draft, the editors of draft are not named as editors but as authors.
Thus, I would suggest to follow the example given in
http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5620.txt and add an ", Ed." behind the
names. A list of authors is given in the acknowledgement section of the
draft.

With best regards,

 Christian Hoene


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Some time ago on this mailing list, Roman Shpount was raising this =
requirement and he got the answer from Koen Vos

" Jean-Marc and I discussed this a bit, and this is how we see it:

Resetting the decoder state would lead to a discontinuity in the output =
signal and may create an objectionable "click" sound.  Moreover, the =
incoming stream that's enabled in the switching node at the moment of =
the decoder reset may depend on the last frame before the switch. So the =
first few frames would not be decoded correctly.

Coding and transmitting the decoder state doesn't overcome the =
discontinuity problem.  And it would add a lot of complications and code =
to Opus. =20

A better method seems to be:
1. Determine if the first frame after switching has significant =
dependencies on the previous frame (i.e., long-term prediction in the =
case of SILK, or energy prediction in the case of CELT)
2a: If yes: decode the first frame and re-encode it independently.  =
After that, switch to the new stream.
2b. If no: simply switch to the new stream immediately.
This ensures a smooth transition and fast convergence to the correct =
output signal for the new stream.

best,
koen."

It might be worth to write this down in some draft so that others can =
profit from this knowledge, too. Emails are forgotten fast and some =
further descriptions and hints on how to use Opus would not be too bad.

With best regards,

 Christian=20




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Hi Jean-Marc,

> the most
> recent test: "Voice Quality Characterization of IETF Opus Codec" that will
> be presented by Anssi Ramo (from Nokia) at Interspeech 2011. However, he
> was kind enough to provide me with a copy and gave me permission to
> redistribute it to working group members upon request.

Looks really good! Congratulations! And thanks for sharing

 Christian


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies. This draft is a work item of the Internet Wideband Audio Codec Working=
 Group of the IETF.

	Title           : Definition of the Opus Audio Codec
	Author(s)       : Jean-Marc Valin
                          Koen Vos
                          Timothy Terriberry
	Filename        : draft-ietf-codec-opus-06.txt
	Pages           : 245
	Date            : 2011-06-16

   This document defines the Opus codec, designed for interactive speech
   and audio transmission over the Internet.


A URL for this Internet-Draft is:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-codec-opus-06.txt

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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This Internet-Draft can be retrieved at:
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This is all a sort of confusing point of many IETF documents and not =
unique to this one. I think the important points is that for many IETF =
documents, the people listed on the front page are not the authors. =
Typically the list of authors is a much longer list. And to clarify what =
I mean by Author, I mean it in the sense that it would used in copyright =
law. I do think the Acknowledgements section needs to identity anyone =
who is a contributor to the document. The limit on number of people on =
the front pages makes it impossible to even put all the authors on the =
front page if we wanted to.=20

So my main point is, just because someone is listed on front page or =
not, should not be used to decide if they are an author or not.=20

The use of "Ed." has been a bit inconsistent at the IETF and I'm not =
aware of good guidelines on how and when to use it. Traditionally when =
we have had a few people producing the drafts and incorporating work =
from the multiple people in on the mailing list, the people where were =
actively editing the document have often been listed on the front page. =
There are many exception to this - I was a bit cheesed to not be listed =
on the front page of RFC 4244.=20

Back to the matter at hand ... This is a pretty classic sort of document =
where an individual draft got selected as a basis for the WG document, =
multiple people in the WG contributed text, a final draft was produced. =
Historically, most IETF docs like this do not put "Ed" after all the =
people on the front page. However, perhaps we should, I don't really =
have any strong opinion one way or the other. I can confirm that this =
document, like many documents coming out of a WG,  includes contribution =
from people beyond the list of names on the front page.=20

Cullen


On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Christian Hoene wrote:

> Hello,
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> In this draft, the editors of draft are not named as editors but as =
authors.
> Thus, I would suggest to follow the example given in
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> With best regards,
>=20
> Christian Hoene
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Hi Jean-Marc,

Thank you for compiling this summary of pre-Opus tests. It should definitel=
y help in designing the listening test on the final Opus.

One comment to section 3:
"While Opus has evolved
   since these tests were conducted, the results should be considered as
   a _lower bound_ on the quality of the final codec."

I would like to think that the sum is always greater than it's parts, but i=
t is definitely possible to make something worse by working on it. Hence, s=
tatements about Opus performance must be based on tests made on the final c=
odec.

Best regards,
Erik=20

> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Jean-Marc Valin
> Sent: den 16 juni 2011 20:53
> To: codec@ietf.org
> Subject: [codec] Summary of test results
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> Hi,
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> We've collected all the test results we could find for Opus=20
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On 11-06-21 09:04 AM, Erik Norvell wrote:
> Thank you for compiling this summary of pre-Opus tests. It should
> definitely help in designing the listening test on the final Opus.

Just to clarify, the Opus bit-stream *is* final and, as far as these
tests (for both speech and music) are concerned, has been since February.
The latest draft also has the final stereo bit-stream for voice, but all
the rest is long frozen.

> One comment to section 3: "While Opus has evolved since these tests were
> conducted, the results should be considered as a _lower bound_ on the
> quality of the final codec."
>
> I would like to think that the sum is always greater than it's parts,
> but it is definitely possible to make something worse by working on it.
> Hence, statements about Opus performance must be based on tests made on
> the final codec.

Of course it's not a guarantee, but there's definitely value in those tests
results in that it's unlikely that everything always worked fine and then 
we just screwed everything up at the end (if that was the case we would 
have realised it in the other tests).

Cheers,

	Jean-Marc


> Best regards, Erik
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>> -----Original Message----- From: codec-bounces@ietf.org
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>> results
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> We've collected all the test results we could find for Opus (and
>> pre-Opus) and how they relate to the requirements. We summarized it
>> all in the following draft:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-valin-codec-results-00
>>
>> Cheers,
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Marc Valin [mailto:jean-marc.valin@octasic.com]
> Sent: den 21 juni 2011 21:40
> To: Erik Norvell
> Cc: codec@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
>=20
> On 11-06-21 09:04 AM, Erik Norvell wrote:
> > Thank you for compiling this summary of pre-Opus tests. It should=20
> > definitely help in designing the listening test on the final Opus.
>=20
> Just to clarify, the Opus bit-stream *is* final and, as far as these=20
> tests (for both speech and music) are concerned, has been since=20
> February.
> The latest draft also has the final stereo bit-stream for voice, but=20
> all the rest is long frozen.
>=20

There are a number of tests which are older than that which are still refer=
enced when making statements about Opus performance.
In addition, a frozen bit-stream is not equal to frozen quality. If the cod=
ec itself is still permitted to change its quality may be affected.


> > One comment to section 3: "While Opus has evolved since these tests=20
> > were conducted, the results should be considered as a
> _lower bound_ on
> > the quality of the final codec."
> >
> > I would like to think that the sum is always greater than
> it's parts,
> > but it is definitely possible to make something worse by
> working on it.
> > Hence, statements about Opus performance must be based on
> tests made
> > on the final codec.
>=20
> Of course it's not a guarantee, but there's definitely value in those=20
> tests results in that it's unlikely that everything always worked fine=20
> and then we just screwed everything up at the end (if that was the=20
> case we would have realised it in the other tests).
>=20

I agree the tests are valuable as quality indicators for the codec by the t=
ime they were conducted. However, the only way to make correct statements a=
bout the performance of the final Opus codec is to test this final codec. T=
o deduce that performance from tests of previous versions is bound to inclu=
de some amount of speculation.

Best,
Erik

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Hi Erik,

> However, the only way to make correct statements about the performance 
> of the final Opus codec is to test this final codec.

We took the MPEG approach to standardization (like with MP3/AAC), which means that the codec is defined by its bit-stream rather than its bit-exact behavior.  For this reason, the version tested from February is the final Opus.  Besides, the encoder hasn't actually changed in any meaningful way since February.

best,
koen.


----- Original Message -----
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jean-Marc Valin [mailto:jean-marc.valin@octasic.com]
> Sent: den 21 juni 2011 21:40
> To: Erik Norvell
> Cc: codec@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
> 
> On 11-06-21 09:04 AM, Erik Norvell wrote:
> > Thank you for compiling this summary of pre-Opus tests. It should 
> > definitely help in designing the listening test on the final Opus.
> 
> Just to clarify, the Opus bit-stream *is* final and, as far as these 
> tests (for both speech and music) are concerned, has been since 
> February.
> The latest draft also has the final stereo bit-stream for voice, but 
> all the rest is long frozen.
> 

There are a number of tests which are older than that which are still referenced when making statements about Opus performance.
In addition, a frozen bit-stream is not equal to frozen quality. If the codec itself is still permitted to change its quality may be affected.


> > One comment to section 3: "While Opus has evolved since these tests 
> > were conducted, the results should be considered as a
> _lower bound_ on
> > the quality of the final codec."
> >
> > I would like to think that the sum is always greater than
> it's parts,
> > but it is definitely possible to make something worse by
> working on it.
> > Hence, statements about Opus performance must be based on
> tests made
> > on the final codec.
> 
> Of course it's not a guarantee, but there's definitely value in those 
> tests results in that it's unlikely that everything always worked fine 
> and then we just screwed everything up at the end (if that was the 
> case we would have realised it in the other tests).
> 

I agree the tests are valuable as quality indicators for the codec by the time they were conducted. However, the only way to make correct statements about the performance of the final Opus codec is to test this final codec. To deduce that performance from tests of previous versions is bound to include some amount of speculation.

Best,
Erik
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I don't think that anything is final from an IETF's viewpoint until an RFC
is issued.  The WG could still decide to make changes in the bitstream
format if it were so inclined.  The IESG could require the WG to do so.
In the IETF, it's not the group of authors/contributors who can declare a
project finished, it's the community at large.

That said, I'm willing to accept the bitstream format to be considered
frozen for testing purposes.

Stephan


On 6.22.2011 06:31 , "Koen Vos" <koen.vos@skype.net> wrote:

>Hi Erik,
>
>> However, the only way to make correct statements about the performance
>> of the final Opus codec is to test this final codec.
>
>We took the MPEG approach to standardization (like with MP3/AAC), which
>means that the codec is defined by its bit-stream rather than its
>bit-exact behavior.  For this reason, the version tested from February is
>the final Opus.  Besides, the encoder hasn't actually changed in any
>meaningful way since February.
>
>best,
>koen.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Erik Norvell" <erik.norvell@ericsson.com>
>To: "Jean-Marc Valin" <jean-marc.valin@octasic.com>
>Cc: codec@ietf.org
>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:00:10 AM
>Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jean-Marc Valin [mailto:jean-marc.valin@octasic.com]
>> Sent: den 21 juni 2011 21:40
>> To: Erik Norvell
>> Cc: codec@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
>> 
>> On 11-06-21 09:04 AM, Erik Norvell wrote:
>> > Thank you for compiling this summary of pre-Opus tests. It should
>> > definitely help in designing the listening test on the final Opus.
>> 
>> Just to clarify, the Opus bit-stream *is* final and, as far as these
>> tests (for both speech and music) are concerned, has been since
>> February.
>> The latest draft also has the final stereo bit-stream for voice, but
>> all the rest is long frozen.
>> 
>
>There are a number of tests which are older than that which are still
>referenced when making statements about Opus performance.
>In addition, a frozen bit-stream is not equal to frozen quality. If the
>codec itself is still permitted to change its quality may be affected.
>
>
>> > One comment to section 3: "While Opus has evolved since these tests
>> > were conducted, the results should be considered as a
>> _lower bound_ on
>> > the quality of the final codec."
>> >
>> > I would like to think that the sum is always greater than
>> it's parts,
>> > but it is definitely possible to make something worse by
>> working on it.
>> > Hence, statements about Opus performance must be based on
>> tests made
>> > on the final codec.
>> 
>> Of course it's not a guarantee, but there's definitely value in those
>> tests results in that it's unlikely that everything always worked fine
>> and then we just screwed everything up at the end (if that was the
>> case we would have realised it in the other tests).
>> 
>
>I agree the tests are valuable as quality indicators for the codec by the
>time they were conducted. However, the only way to make correct
>statements about the performance of the final Opus codec is to test this
>final codec. To deduce that performance from tests of previous versions
>is bound to include some amount of speculation.
>
>Best,
>Erik
>_______________________________________________
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Hi Stephan,

On 11-06-22 09:43 AM, Stephan Wenger wrote:
> That said, I'm willing to accept the bitstream format to be considered
> frozen for testing purposes.

This is indeed the definition of "final" and "frozen" that we have been 
using from the start. We just got tired of including the small print next 
to these words :-)

	Jean-Marc

> Stephan
>
>
> On 6.22.2011 06:31 , "Koen Vos"<koen.vos@skype.net>  wrote:
>
>> Hi Erik,
>>
>>> However, the only way to make correct statements about the performance
>>> of the final Opus codec is to test this final codec.
>>
>> We took the MPEG approach to standardization (like with MP3/AAC), which
>> means that the codec is defined by its bit-stream rather than its
>> bit-exact behavior.  For this reason, the version tested from February is
>> the final Opus.  Besides, the encoder hasn't actually changed in any
>> meaningful way since February.
>>
>> best,
>> koen.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Erik Norvell"<erik.norvell@ericsson.com>
>> To: "Jean-Marc Valin"<jean-marc.valin@octasic.com>
>> Cc: codec@ietf.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:00:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jean-Marc Valin [mailto:jean-marc.valin@octasic.com]
>>> Sent: den 21 juni 2011 21:40
>>> To: Erik Norvell
>>> Cc: codec@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
>>>
>>> On 11-06-21 09:04 AM, Erik Norvell wrote:
>>>> Thank you for compiling this summary of pre-Opus tests. It should
>>>> definitely help in designing the listening test on the final Opus.
>>>
>>> Just to clarify, the Opus bit-stream *is* final and, as far as these
>>> tests (for both speech and music) are concerned, has been since
>>> February.
>>> The latest draft also has the final stereo bit-stream for voice, but
>>> all the rest is long frozen.
>>>
>>
>> There are a number of tests which are older than that which are still
>> referenced when making statements about Opus performance.
>> In addition, a frozen bit-stream is not equal to frozen quality. If the
>> codec itself is still permitted to change its quality may be affected.
>>
>>
>>>> One comment to section 3: "While Opus has evolved since these tests
>>>> were conducted, the results should be considered as a
>>> _lower bound_ on
>>>> the quality of the final codec."
>>>>
>>>> I would like to think that the sum is always greater than
>>> it's parts,
>>>> but it is definitely possible to make something worse by
>>> working on it.
>>>> Hence, statements about Opus performance must be based on
>>> tests made
>>>> on the final codec.
>>>
>>> Of course it's not a guarantee, but there's definitely value in those
>>> tests results in that it's unlikely that everything always worked fine
>>> and then we just screwed everything up at the end (if that was the
>>> case we would have realised it in the other tests).
>>>
>>
>> I agree the tests are valuable as quality indicators for the codec by the
>> time they were conducted. However, the only way to make correct
>> statements about the performance of the final Opus codec is to test this
>> final codec. To deduce that performance from tests of previous versions
>> is bound to include some amount of speculation.
>>
>> Best,
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#24: Negotiation of codec parameters?

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#19: How large is the frame size depended delay / the serialization delay /
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#15: Efficiently combine pre-encoded audio

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#8: Sample rates?

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#34: Speech Quality Aspects in emergency calls

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#10: Multi-channel frame ordering?

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#4: Remove the word "wideband" from the WG title.

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#32: Playout/Dejittering Buffer

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#31: Requirements of high-density VoIP gateways (and low cost VoIP phone)?

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#23: Impact of packet headers and header compression

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#3: 2.2.  Conferencing: Support of binaural audio?

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#30: Self-awareness

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#14: VAD and CNG?

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#7: Providing DTMF Testing Tools and Samples

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#2: Please identify Requirements non-ambiguous and give them priorities.

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#13: reference use-cases and topologies!

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#20: Computational complexity?

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#21: Supporting Wireless Links?

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#25: Supported audio contents

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 See gmaxwell comment above

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#26: Comparing the CODEC to other codecs...

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Comment:

 Addressed in latest draft

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On Jun 20, 2011, at 15:31, Cullen Jennings wrote:

> This is all a sort of confusing point of many IETF documents and not =
unique to this one. I think the important points is that for many IETF =
documents, the people listed on the front page are not the authors. =
Typically the list of authors is a much longer list. And to clarify what =
I mean by Author, I mean it in the sense that it would used in copyright =
law. I do think the Acknowledgements section needs to identity anyone =
who is a contributor to the document. The limit on number of people on =
the front pages makes it impossible to even put all the authors on the =
front page if we wanted to.=20

Ceterum censeo: A situation that is untenable.

(And that may actually be problematic in countries with droit =
d'auteur/Urheberrecht such as Germany, but that's not my point.)

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On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Christian Hoene <hoene@uni-tuebingen.de> w=
rote:
> Hello,
>
> In this draft, the editors of draft are not named as editors but as autho=
rs.
> Thus, I would suggest to follow the example given in
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc5620.txt and add an ", Ed." behind the
> names. A list of authors is given in the acknowledgement section of the
> draft.

If everyone listed at the upper right of the first page is going to be
an Editor, then adding "Ed." after their name is completely
superfluous and adds only clutter.

Traditionally, those listed at the upper right of the first page of an
RFC have been called "authors" in most cases, regardless of their
actual role, and those listed in an Acknowledgements section have
frequently been called "contributors" or the like. So I think it s
perfectly fine the way it is in regards to this non-issue.

Donald

> With best regards,
>
> =A0Christian Hoene
>
>
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Hi,
To be precise it should be in payload WG. AVT was restructured

Roni Even

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> Subject: Re: [codec] #24: Negotiation of codec parameters?
>=20
> #24: Negotiation of codec parameters?
>=20
> Changes (by jean-marc.valin@=E2=80=A6):
>=20
>   * status:  new =3D> closed
>   * resolution:  =3D> invalid
>=20
>=20
> Comment:
>=20
>  AVT issue
>=20
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Hi Jean-Marc Valin and all,

what I meant is that is shall be clear how well the codec implementation =
does the compression of audio. I mean, we shall know how well the final =
implementation given in the standard performs.=20

A first step would be to reach this goal would be characterization =
tests, which should be done in a coordinated fashion. For me it is not =
clear=20
a) whether characterization tests are planned within the scope of IETF =
(or whether everybody is doing his own tests)
b) who will organized these tests among the interested parties that want =
to do the testing
c) who will collect the data and write it down into a draft. You made a =
first step with your prevision draft and what was not for publishing but =
for showing that you have fulfilled all goal...

With best regards,

 Christian





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Hi,

Erik comments are valid. We should make some tests on the final codec
specification before WGLC. I mean, in the latest listening tests which used
Opus taken from GIT February 16th, 2011, I found the statement that "with
lower bitrates the codec crashes".  

I mean, just checking the implementation against major programming mistakes
is not a bad think. And this should not be made by the codec designers
themselves.

With best regards,

 Christian

> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Koen Vos
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 3:32 PM
> To: Erik Norvell
> Cc: codec@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
> 
> Hi Erik,
> 
> > However, the only way to make correct statements about the performance
> > of the final Opus codec is to test this final codec.
> 
> We took the MPEG approach to standardization (like with MP3/AAC), which
> means that the codec is defined by its bit-stream rather than its
bit-exact
> behavior.  For this reason, the version tested from February is the final
Opus.
> Besides, the encoder hasn't actually changed in any meaningful way since
> February.
> 
> best,
> koen.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Erik Norvell" <erik.norvell@ericsson.com>
> To: "Jean-Marc Valin" <jean-marc.valin@octasic.com>
> Cc: codec@ietf.org
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:00:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jean-Marc Valin [mailto:jean-marc.valin@octasic.com]
> > Sent: den 21 juni 2011 21:40
> > To: Erik Norvell
> > Cc: codec@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
> >
> > On 11-06-21 09:04 AM, Erik Norvell wrote:
> > > Thank you for compiling this summary of pre-Opus tests. It should
> > > definitely help in designing the listening test on the final Opus.
> >
> > Just to clarify, the Opus bit-stream *is* final and, as far as these
> > tests (for both speech and music) are concerned, has been since
> > February.
> > The latest draft also has the final stereo bit-stream for voice, but
> > all the rest is long frozen.
> >
> 
> There are a number of tests which are older than that which are still
> referenced when making statements about Opus performance.
> In addition, a frozen bit-stream is not equal to frozen quality. If the
codec
> itself is still permitted to change its quality may be affected.
> 
> 
> > > One comment to section 3: "While Opus has evolved since these tests
> > > were conducted, the results should be considered as a
> > _lower bound_ on
> > > the quality of the final codec."
> > >
> > > I would like to think that the sum is always greater than
> > it's parts,
> > > but it is definitely possible to make something worse by
> > working on it.
> > > Hence, statements about Opus performance must be based on
> > tests made
> > > on the final codec.
> >
> > Of course it's not a guarantee, but there's definitely value in those
> > tests results in that it's unlikely that everything always worked fine
> > and then we just screwed everything up at the end (if that was the
> > case we would have realised it in the other tests).
> >
> 
> I agree the tests are valuable as quality indicators for the codec by the
time
> they were conducted. However, the only way to make correct statements
> about the performance of the final Opus codec is to test this final codec.
To
> deduce that performance from tests of previous versions is bound to
include
> some amount of speculation.
> 
> Best,
> Erik
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Hi,

Indeed, the encoder version that Anssi tested was very prone to  
crashing when operating in ranges it didn't like or when fed options  
combinations it didn't like. That has (AFAICT) been fixed now.  
Fortunately, in the cases that did not crash, the behaviour is still  
the same now as it was for the test, so the results are still valid.  
That being said, we welcome feedback on any remaining code quality  
issues. For example, if anyone can still get the encoder or decoder to  
crash using the latest version from the *draft* (haven't uprated the  
website download yet), please let us know.

Cheers,

     Jean-Marc


Christian Hoene <hoene@uni-tuebingen.de> a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> Erik comments are valid. We should make some tests on the final codec
> specification before WGLC. I mean, in the latest listening tests which used
> Opus taken from GIT February 16th, 2011, I found the statement that "with
> lower bitrates the codec crashes".
>
> I mean, just checking the implementation against major programming mistakes
> is not a bad think. And this should not be made by the codec designers
> themselves.
>
> With best regards,
>
>  Christian
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: codec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:codec-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
>> Of Koen Vos
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 3:32 PM
>> To: Erik Norvell
>> Cc: codec@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
>>
>> Hi Erik,
>>
>> > However, the only way to make correct statements about the performance
>> > of the final Opus codec is to test this final codec.
>>
>> We took the MPEG approach to standardization (like with MP3/AAC), which
>> means that the codec is defined by its bit-stream rather than its
> bit-exact
>> behavior.  For this reason, the version tested from February is the final
> Opus.
>> Besides, the encoder hasn't actually changed in any meaningful way since
>> February.
>>
>> best,
>> koen.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Erik Norvell" <erik.norvell@ericsson.com>
>> To: "Jean-Marc Valin" <jean-marc.valin@octasic.com>
>> Cc: codec@ietf.org
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:00:10 AM
>> Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Jean-Marc Valin [mailto:jean-marc.valin@octasic.com]
>> > Sent: den 21 juni 2011 21:40
>> > To: Erik Norvell
>> > Cc: codec@ietf.org
>> > Subject: Re: [codec] Summary of test results
>> >
>> > On 11-06-21 09:04 AM, Erik Norvell wrote:
>> > > Thank you for compiling this summary of pre-Opus tests. It should
>> > > definitely help in designing the listening test on the final Opus.
>> >
>> > Just to clarify, the Opus bit-stream *is* final and, as far as these
>> > tests (for both speech and music) are concerned, has been since
>> > February.
>> > The latest draft also has the final stereo bit-stream for voice, but
>> > all the rest is long frozen.
>> >
>>
>> There are a number of tests which are older than that which are still
>> referenced when making statements about Opus performance.
>> In addition, a frozen bit-stream is not equal to frozen quality. If the
> codec
>> itself is still permitted to change its quality may be affected.
>>
>>
>> > > One comment to section 3: "While Opus has evolved since these tests
>> > > were conducted, the results should be considered as a
>> > _lower bound_ on
>> > > the quality of the final codec."
>> > >
>> > > I would like to think that the sum is always greater than
>> > it's parts,
>> > > but it is definitely possible to make something worse by
>> > working on it.
>> > > Hence, statements about Opus performance must be based on
>> > tests made
>> > > on the final codec.
>> >
>> > Of course it's not a guarantee, but there's definitely value in those
>> > tests results in that it's unlikely that everything always worked fine
>> > and then we just screwed everything up at the end (if that was the
>> > case we would have realised it in the other tests).
>> >
>>
>> I agree the tests are valuable as quality indicators for the codec by the
> time
>> they were conducted. However, the only way to make correct statements
>> about the performance of the final Opus codec is to test this final codec.
> To
>> deduce that performance from tests of previous versions is bound to
> include
>> some amount of speculation.
>>
>> Best,
>> Erik
>> _______________________________________________
>> codec mailing list
>> codec@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec
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