From giles@thaumas.net Mon Jan 14 18:50:22 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6696411E809B for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v1oCLg8GIwbd for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pb0-f44.google.com (mail-pb0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE5511E809A for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pb0-f44.google.com with SMTP id uo1so2545773pbc.31 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:21 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:x-forwarded-message-id:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-gm-message-state; bh=dlxra4F7xqwbmwe8tGBa8uNFllNMESifs8+tcFyGa7w=; b=MS0hSPrPtA7UqXQXkeTRzzWBsw1ihCKbSHXvKOt5pmoltYxawn3Rrcr/SogphfHban F22dboPH5sGtWrI7V/EQeV74dQvJz1rf4PNjB2ArKfap+cLlIu9BQFGCy9O0aw1chbUP eOgQFJG9lM9XXgF1YPCn5fYrztlROOHDUk5/Udg2+5uEvCYsNHh8xWm6W46WT6//lXfS PfhJ3Uyr1dlptePWMh2POQSIpcz4/qjQavlvYa6nArAJJgB9q98obe5rjieVf2GZDFmd GhgPnelQ9kGKcCmx+3Vb34sPX0xXDvFc+oTBs647HfJfeBCoCzR5wTJw27gVim0m9u0L 1t2g== X-Received: by 10.68.229.194 with SMTP id ss2mr262219307pbc.17.1358218221011; Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from Glaucomys.local (s75-157-226-108.bc.hsia.telus.net. [75.157.226.108]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id qr8sm9265516pbc.64.2013.01.14.18.50.19 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:20 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50F4C3EA.90202@thaumas.net> Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 18:50:18 -0800 From: Ralph Giles User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/17.0 Thunderbird/17.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "codec@ietf.org" References: <50F4C0C4.4040102@mozilla.com> In-Reply-To: <50F4C0C4.4040102@mozilla.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <50F4C0C4.4040102@mozilla.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm6TV/gAz1fZBK10nGPkH5k5BZvbMbfArwOs1ofz4eGz2memdqg3mXgbDnF/2aFwyz0nH1U Subject: [codec] Example downmix matrices for Ogg Opus X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 02:50:22 -0000 I've been working on multichannel support with Opus in the Ogg container (and also flac) recently. It has been proposed that we include RECOMMENDED coefficients for matrix downmixing from surround to stereo (or mono). Opinions differ on the idea matrix, and a single matrix multiply isn't the highest-quality option. More advanced techiniques include dynamic range compression and frequency-dependent behaviour. Nevertheless, given general variation with this popular techinique, documenting a preferred behaviour could help reduced implementation variance. Anyone have thoughts one way or the other? -r From ietf-ipr@ietf.org Fri Jan 18 10:04:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7655F21F8770; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:04:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.42 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.42 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.179, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SSJsSKakGDiZ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:04:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE42021F8738; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:04:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: IETF Secretariat To: jmvalin@jmvalin.ca, koen.vos@skype.net, tterriberry@mozilla.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 4.37 Message-ID: <20130118180417.25787.85138.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:04:17 -0800 Cc: codec@ietf.org, tterriberry@mozilla.com, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [codec] IPR Disclosure: France Telecom's Statement about IPR related to RFC 6716 X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 18:04:18 -0000 Dear Jean-Marc Valin, Koen Vos, Tim Terriberry: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your RFC entitled "Definition of the Op= us Audio Codec" (RFC6716) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2013-01-18 = and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosur= es" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1949/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "France Telecom's Statement about IPR related to RFC 6716.""); The IETF Secretariat From hoene@uni-tuebingen.de Fri Jan 18 23:38:11 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36CC721F8441 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:38:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T5KNBVobhkpD for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx09.uni-tuebingen.de (mx09.uni-tuebingen.de [134.2.3.2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E30DD21F8447 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:38:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from ChristianHoene (p5482A2AF.dip.t-dialin.net [84.130.162.175]) (authenticated bits=0) by mx09.uni-tuebingen.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id r0J7buUA028430 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sat, 19 Jan 2013 08:38:03 +0100 From: "Hoene" To: , , Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 08:38:09 +0100 Message-ID: <007801cdf617$f4ad9630$de08c290$@uni-tuebingen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: Ac32F8yWgbcajuFbQVulSIbOE+BooQ== Content-Language: de X-AntiVirus-Spam-Check: clean (checked by Avira MailGate: version: 3.2.1.23; spam filter version: 3.2.0/2.3; host: mx09) X-AntiVirus: checked by Avira MailGate (version: 3.2.1.23; AVE: 8.2.5.34; VDF: 7.11.10.215; host: mx09); id=12231-ZR2foh Cc: tterriberry@mozilla.com, codec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [codec] IPR Disclosure: France Telecom's Statement about IPR related to RFC 6716 X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 07:38:11 -0000 Oops,=20 it covers the SILK part of Opus and it valid for another three year :-( I think it is time to start working on Opus V2.0. CH -- Universit=E4t T=FCbingen, Sand 13, 72076 T=FCbingen, Germany Tel +49 7071 2970532, Fax +49 7071 5220 http://kn.inf.uni-tuebingen.de/staff/hoene.html -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: codec-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:codec-bounces@ietf.org] Im Auftrag = von IETF Secretariat Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Januar 2013 19:04 An: jmvalin@jmvalin.ca; koen.vos@skype.net; tterriberry@mozilla.com Cc: codec@ietf.org; tterriberry@mozilla.com; ipr-announce@ietf.org Betreff: [codec] IPR Disclosure: France Telecom's Statement about IPR related to RFC 6716 Dear Jean-Marc Valin, Koen Vos, Tim Terriberry: =09 An IPR disclosure that pertains to your RFC entitled "Definition of the Opus Audio Codec" (RFC6716) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2013-01-18 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual = Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1949/). The title of the IPR = disclosure is "France Telecom's Statement about IPR related to RFC 6716.""); The IETF Secretariat _______________________________________________ codec mailing list codec@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec From xiphmont@gmail.com Fri Jan 18 23:51:01 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A2D921F87AB for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:51:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tzuMLsi0CFnu for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lb0-f174.google.com (mail-lb0-f174.google.com [209.85.217.174]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FB8221F8558 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:50:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lb0-f174.google.com with SMTP id gi11so3188876lbb.5 for ; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:50:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:x-received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=AGw9r5u36r4mmVYDn9Qcyt5s2GEIZPbVEjzeVP0YnLI=; b=CIk6cQ3u3XtiN1k96O7cSRtc9l83M2RUp2d6WmS5SECTYsaBhUmjYXCQXLGDBeo1UL ajfjMKR0mi/9fNGprihswh+JDuYE7aY3LoGpKf8hUx/A8Zq6v7Wn2hGUT5nuvvwmPANX yFGy468h9jmQgvfIosRHg5q9Sa4bY8QIini3N5rLY/8f1Lm1T9tD6APy4gRv2m8G+NCU KoxL9rUuReP1Gl55jO3uh9mgzLjz7vkdO2lMr45tKw4FI7RXuam+zUsZpmft/iks0P3C xA2koEri/nPBVDdx9sL423SsLQXlOYVrsvWuvM8DYavAVu9yUnjMrrwx3a9vuhGV3HqI 3skA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.25.100 with SMTP id b4mr4743386lbg.37.1358581852567; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:50:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.112.110.68 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jan 2013 23:50:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <007801cdf617$f4ad9630$de08c290$@uni-tuebingen.de> References: <007801cdf617$f4ad9630$de08c290$@uni-tuebingen.de> Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 02:50:52 -0500 Message-ID: From: Monty Montgomery To: Hoene Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: tterriberry@mozilla.com, codec@ietf.org Subject: Re: [codec] IPR Disclosure: France Telecom's Statement about IPR related to RFC 6716 X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 07:51:01 -0000 On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Hoene wrote: > Oops, > > it covers the SILK part of Opus and it valid for another three year :-( > I think it is time to start working on Opus V2.0. It's hardly time to panic :-P We'll review it like the others that have come in. Monty Xiph.Org From ron@debian.org Sat Jan 19 11:38:05 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D917521F84BA for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 11:38:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.423 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.423 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q6de56a+jFmg for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 11:38:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:6:4]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D44321F8445 for ; Sat, 19 Jan 2013 11:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp14-2-58-83.lns21.adl2.internode.on.net (HELO audi.shelbyville.oz) ([14.2.58.83]) by ipmail04.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 20 Jan 2013 06:08:02 +1030 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by audi.shelbyville.oz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C70EC4F8F3 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 06:08:00 +1030 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at audi.shelbyville.oz Received: from audi.shelbyville.oz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (audi.shelbyville.oz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id n-GZuJL8HQ1O for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 06:07:59 +1030 (CST) Received: by audi.shelbyville.oz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C101E4F902; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 06:07:59 +1030 (CST) Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 06:07:59 +1030 From: Ron To: codec@ietf.org Message-ID: <20130119193759.GN31373@audi.shelbyville.oz> References: <007801cdf617$f4ad9630$de08c290$@uni-tuebingen.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [codec] IPR Disclosure: France Telecom's Statement about IPR related to RFC 6716 X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:38:06 -0000 On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 02:50:52AM -0500, Monty Montgomery wrote: > On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Hoene wrote: > > Oops, > > > > it covers the SILK part of Opus and it valid for another three year :-( > > I think it is time to start working on Opus V2.0. > > It's hardly time to panic :-P We'll review it like the others that > have come in. Did we ever hear back from Huawei about their uncertainty over their rushed last-minute declaration of the patent they bought? I thought they'd promised to follow up on that ... It is mildly amusing to see the people who objected to this group forming, who claimed there was no expertise here to produce a competitive codec, and who persist in objecting to its RF status, seem to have such amazing trouble not only understanding this codec, but also their _own_ patents and what they actually apply to ... I'd certainly be embarrassed to be consistently that wrong about everything. 'Oops' indeed. Ron From stewe@stewe.org Sun Jan 20 02:15:59 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B87221F84F0 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 02:15:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.439 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.840, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cWKU8aSjJWKE for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 02:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from ch1outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com (ch1ehsobe006.messaging.microsoft.com [216.32.181.186]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8765721F84FD for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 02:15:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail243-ch1-R.bigfish.com (10.43.68.238) by CH1EHSOBE020.bigfish.com (10.43.70.77) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:15:56 +0000 Received: from mail243-ch1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail243-ch1-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A29E8006A; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:15:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.240.133; KIP:(null); UIP:(null); IPV:NLI; H:BL2PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com; RD:none; EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -20 X-BigFish: PS-20(zz98dI9371I1432Izz1ee6h1de0h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1082kzz1033IL8275dhz2fh2a8h668h839h944hd25hf0ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail243-ch1: domain of stewe.org designates 157.56.240.133 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.240.133; envelope-from=stewe@stewe.org; helo=BL2PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ; .outlook.com ; Received: from mail243-ch1 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail243-ch1 (MessageSwitch) id 1358676954824277_21289; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1EHSMHS040.bigfish.com (snatpool2.int.messaging.microsoft.com [10.43.68.233]) by mail243-ch1.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6A34FC0068; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:15:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from BL2PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.240.133) by CH1EHSMHS040.bigfish.com (10.43.69.249) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:15:54 +0000 Received: from BL2PRD0710MB349.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.2.20]) by BL2PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.102.39]) with mapi id 14.16.0257.004; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:15:53 +0000 From: Stephan Wenger To: Ron , "codec@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [codec] IPR Disclosure: France Telecom's Statement about IPR related to RFC 6716 Thread-Index: AQHN9hm9tNDnPtlshEuniheYoKSWvZhRDMWAgAEGBYA= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:15:53 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20130119193759.GN31373@audi.shelbyville.oz> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.255.102.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <90775D48DEEED54FB9CECAD75F57C4D1@namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: stewe.org Subject: Re: [codec] IPR Disclosure: France Telecom's Statement about IPR related to RFC 6716 X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 10:15:59 -0000 Hi Ron, Please see inline. Stephan On 1.19.2013 20:37 , "Ron" wrote: >On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 02:50:52AM -0500, Monty Montgomery wrote: >> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Hoene wrote: >> > Oops, >> > >> > it covers the SILK part of Opus and it valid for another three year >>:-( >> > I think it is time to start working on Opus V2.0. >>=20 >> It's hardly time to panic :-P We'll review it like the others that >> have come in. > >Did we ever hear back from Huawei about their uncertainty over their >rushed last-minute declaration of the patent they bought? I thought >they'd promised to follow up on that ... Yes, we did hear back. https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1741/ For context, we asked for additional info regarding the granted patent, as their initial declaration was against a published application which, at the time of the declaration, was already an issued patent. Let me also reiterate that, IMO, the declaration was both voluntary (which, by definition, would mean it was timely), as well as timely even if it were not made voluntarily. It was voluntary because Huawei established that none of their IETF participants knew about that patent (as it was a recent acquisition, and the inventor is not an IETF participant). It was IMO timely, because they made their declaration within a few months after they acquired the patent. > > >It is mildly amusing to see the people who objected to this group forming, >who claimed there was no expertise here to produce a competitive codec, >and who persist in objecting to its RF status, seem to have such amazing >trouble not only understanding this codec, but also their _own_ patents >and what they actually apply to ... > >I'd certainly be embarrassed to be consistently that wrong about >everything. > > 'Oops' indeed. > Ron > > >_______________________________________________ >codec mailing list >codec@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec > From ron@debian.org Sun Jan 20 18:14:32 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C60B921F8438 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:14:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.176 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.176 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EWIT0O2vMcon for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:14:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:6:5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7F2F21F8432 for ; Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp121-45-73-119.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net (HELO audi.shelbyville.oz) ([121.45.73.119]) by ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 21 Jan 2013 12:44:28 +1030 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by audi.shelbyville.oz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967B44F8F3; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:12:18 +1030 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at audi.shelbyville.oz Received: from audi.shelbyville.oz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (audi.shelbyville.oz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id IinIuQ2H-YWS; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:12:17 +1030 (CST) Received: by audi.shelbyville.oz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 123C14F902; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:12:17 +1030 (CST) Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:12:17 +1030 From: Ron To: Stephan Wenger Message-ID: <20130121004216.GO31373@audi.shelbyville.oz> References: <20130119193759.GN31373@audi.shelbyville.oz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: "codec@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [codec] IPR Disclosure: France Telecom's Statement about IPR related to RFC 6716 X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 02:14:32 -0000 Hi Stephan, On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 10:15:53AM +0000, Stephan Wenger wrote: > On 1.19.2013 20:37 , "Ron" wrote: > >On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 02:50:52AM -0500, Monty Montgomery wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 2:38 AM, Hoene wrote: > >> > Oops, > >> > > >> > it covers the SILK part of Opus and it valid for another three year > >>:-( > >> > I think it is time to start working on Opus V2.0. > >> > >> It's hardly time to panic :-P We'll review it like the others that > >> have come in. > > > > Did we ever hear back from Huawei about their uncertainty over their > > rushed last-minute declaration of the patent they bought? I thought > > they'd promised to follow up on that ... > > Yes, we did hear back. https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1741/ > > For context, we asked for additional info regarding the granted patent, as > their initial declaration was against a published application which, at > the time of the declaration, was already an issued patent. > > Let me also reiterate that, IMO, the declaration was both voluntary > (which, by definition, would mean it was timely), as well as timely even > if it were not made voluntarily. It was voluntary because Huawei > established that none of their IETF participants knew about that patent > (as it was a recent acquisition, and the inventor is not an IETF > participant). It was IMO timely, because they made their declaration > within a few months after they acquired the patent. Yes, I remember there being a bit of a song and dance act with some confusion over whether they'd even declared the right document, and you prompting them for the correct one, which they then did add in the link you post. And I did appreciate their openness with sharing that they suspected they might have purchased something which was relevant here, given the lateness of the hour when that occurred. However that isn't the interesting part that I was querying here ... In their initial statement and explanation, they also disclosed: "So far Huawei thinks that the IPR **MAY** cover the I-D, a disclosure was therefore submitted." (their emphasis, not mine) And went on to say in their reply to you: Referring back to your previous question, that's also the reason why we even do not have time to evaluate the issued patent and counterpart applications. However, in order to facilitate your work I have pushed my colleagues to accelarate the pace, hope an investigation result can be available within two weeks. But unless I missed an email somewhere along the line, that was the last we ever heard of that. Since the general consensus so far appears to be that their IPR does *not* cover the RFC at all, I'm curious if that is also the conclusion that they came to after they found time to properly investigate, and if so, were they planning to report that back to us as promised? They certainly haven't pressed their claim for royalties with anyone currently shipping this, and I've not heard anybody say they will be expecting them to, but still, it would be nice of them to allay the fears of Christian Hoene and reassure him that he can still use Opus on a RF basis in any of his projects. There's no good reason to leave people fearing needlessly. :) Timely disclosures are indeed very important to working groups, but timely disclosures of the irrelevance of a previous disclosure seems to be something that perhaps some IETF participants could improve on to the benefit of all concerned. > >It is mildly amusing to see the people who objected to this group forming, > >who claimed there was no expertise here to produce a competitive codec, > >and who persist in objecting to its RF status, seem to have such amazing > >trouble not only understanding this codec, but also their _own_ patents > >and what they actually apply to ... > > > >I'd certainly be embarrassed to be consistently that wrong about > >everything. > > > > 'Oops' indeed. > > Ron From rjsparks@nostrum.com Tue Jan 22 08:47:19 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 385F721F859A for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:47:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V-knWzaCUJQ3 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from shaman.nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C11C221F8583 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:47:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-173-57-99-236.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.57.99.236]) (authenticated bits=0) by shaman.nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id r0MGlIU0073736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:47:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <50FEC296.1050902@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:47:18 -0600 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: codec@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 173.57.99.236 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: [codec] Join me in thanking Cullen for his efforts as CODEC WG cochair X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:47:19 -0000 CODEC - Cullen Jennings was instrumental in forming this group and guiding the group through the creation of OPUS. He's transitioned his chair responsibilities to Tim and has stepped out of the CODEC co-chair role. Tim and Jonathan are continuing as the CODEC co-chairs. Please join me in thanking Cullen for all he's put into this group! RjS From tterribe@xiph.org Tue Jan 22 08:57:18 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18C921F8472 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:57:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.677 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.677 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9VS92LSrhrxA for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.mozilla.org (mx1.corp.phx1.mozilla.com [63.245.216.69]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 989CA21F846B for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:57:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.250.6.54] (unknown [63.245.220.240]) (Authenticated sender: tterriberry@mozilla.com) by mx1.mail.corp.phx1.mozilla.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6000FF210B for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:57:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50FEC4ED.5030205@xiph.org> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 08:57:17 -0800 From: "Timothy B. Terriberry" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:13.0) Gecko/20120626 SeaMonkey/2.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: codec@ietf.org References: <50FEC296.1050902@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <50FEC296.1050902@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [codec] Join me in thanking Cullen for his efforts as CODEC WG cochair X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:57:18 -0000 Robert Sparks wrote: > Please join me in thanking Cullen for all he's put into this group! Indeed. Thank you Cullen, for driving this effort to be the success it's become. From giles@thaumas.net Tue Jan 22 09:11:50 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78A2221F8AD6 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:11:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UsFyo1X3d8pf for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:11:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pb0-f43.google.com (mail-pb0-f43.google.com [209.85.160.43]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0488421F88EE for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pb0-f43.google.com with SMTP id jt11so2713281pbb.2 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:11:47 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :x-gm-message-state; bh=ZFPtUa0jjGcpG/1TucfSlKj7q6UD4DzZs1rOmMbBwSQ=; b=RvAlOmmh9hyI2E6fI3gYBOsKJYBW8vQBUntiIlD19545Q03AnwCRnF3Jwy9tQTr2/o lu7fxvoIRqXlLyLnuOcDTKi4pYERDQvIFcr/6WBq8ZCHU5FaT0/K4XFf3Izc7WFPs5R4 SnlC226FTZu8rdo9qiJorUPAX3Gx8ZN+I/d1IA4Hlx673+Kg1ljLgPrcyWFl3hc7XPPU T+7teE+hx5nnNf5Noq/lKAHJEKAIEKaTVGcIxGNlko0ikcpSOkJ9yviF6im4SuBD0cIU Szwib0goMyOEUzLV1gaaF4fiF/5MD/L1PTID2Bom80UFuou1Psto0KRCrRcpR338Kafs biUg== X-Received: by 10.68.192.66 with SMTP id he2mr41104102pbc.112.1358874707401; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:11:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from Glaucomys.local ([64.213.70.194]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ix9sm11069719pbc.7.2013.01.22.09.11.45 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:11:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50FEC850.4040301@thaumas.net> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:11:44 -0800 From: Ralph Giles User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: codec@ietf.org References: <50FEC296.1050902@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <50FEC296.1050902@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnaEYe1h2MPFIrTyCSJo5z/YE5otB0QYkLFoYU3l/mHy4kjhD084N0maKD9YoOh2cMtSKpL Subject: Re: [codec] Join me in thanking Cullen for his efforts as CODEC WG cochair X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:11:50 -0000 On 13-01-22 8:47 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > Please join me in thanking Cullen for all he's put into this group! Thank you Cullen. It's been a great group to participate in. And thank you to Tim and Jonathan for continuing to support this working group. -r From jmvalin@jmvalin.ca Tue Jan 22 09:31:06 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F91821F8749 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:31:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.677 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.677 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_ORG=0.611, HOST_MISMATCH_COM=0.311, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WF7dVMhokVmu for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:31:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.mozilla.org (mx1.corp.phx1.mozilla.com [63.245.216.69]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDC521F84D9 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:31:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.15] (modemcable094.20-21-96.mc.videotron.ca [96.21.20.94]) (Authenticated sender: jvalin@mozilla.com) by mx1.mail.corp.phx1.mozilla.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BCEA7F210B for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:31:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50FECCD7.2030008@jmvalin.ca> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:31:03 -0500 From: Jean-Marc Valin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130107 Thunderbird/17.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: codec@ietf.org References: <50FEC296.1050902@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <50FEC296.1050902@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [codec] Join me in thanking Cullen for his efforts as CODEC WG cochair X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:31:06 -0000 On 01/22/2013 11:47 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > Please join me in thanking Cullen for all he's put into this group! Thanks Cullen for chairing this calm and uneventful working group :-) It's been great having you as a chair for this work. Jean-Marc From fluffy@cisco.com Tue Jan 22 09:37:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A01C921F86EA for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:37:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -110.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-110.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gbZmpueJpfxx for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:37:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com [173.37.86.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0511B21F86C9 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 09:37:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=523; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1358876244; x=1360085844; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=wl43KuOyKk0XJz9VprJIvohSvOQ8WN4RXxGlKAOROtQ=; b=bx3DGctwUxAO+ctKs0mqsukCgSUsZQ6j6M1bd4kE9SKoJBnE35PV5BU+ G/8wVzVlFE8Pn4SY76MFft1KnCMWvfxqqRSK3lNnMZn50DSARhxZmplpH ZjsfCn2e446P8E+l9jVr1XSA4iRcMscOvAtbfEHeCE/R+jPS+AaO/BZ+C M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AigFAMPM/lCtJXG8/2dsb2JhbABEhX64KRZzgh4BAQEDAQEBATc0CwULAgEIGAoUECcLJQIEDgUIiAsGDK0JjzcEkFVhA6ZVgnWCJA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.84,515,1355097600"; d="scan'208";a="163261496" Received: from rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com ([173.37.113.188]) by rcdn-iport-9.cisco.com with ESMTP; 22 Jan 2013 17:37:23 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com [173.36.12.83]) by rcdn-core2-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id r0MHbN48008719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:37:23 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([169.254.5.197]) by xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com ([173.36.12.83]) with mapi id 14.02.0318.004; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:37:23 -0600 From: "Cullen Jennings (fluffy)" To: "Timothy B. Terriberry" Thread-Topic: [codec] Join me in thanking Cullen for his efforts as CODEC WG cochair Thread-Index: AQHN+MciH/cfKzjxjE+0ngchtUVovA== Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:37:22 +0000 Message-ID: References: <50FEC296.1050902@nostrum.com> <50FEC4ED.5030205@xiph.org> In-Reply-To: <50FEC4ED.5030205@xiph.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.20.249.164] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3CBF0E8DDEBB804083D283FD050B449D@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: "codec@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [codec] Join me in thanking Cullen for his efforts as CODEC WG cochair X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:37:30 -0000 Thank you and it's been a pleasure. Thank you Tim for agreeing to keep this= moving forward. Cullen On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:57 AM, "Timothy B. Terriberry" wr= ote: > Robert Sparks wrote: >> Please join me in thanking Cullen for all he's put into this group! >=20 > Indeed. Thank you Cullen, for driving this effort to be the success it's = become. > _______________________________________________ > codec mailing list > codec@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codec From ron@debian.org Tue Jan 22 10:53:30 2013 Return-Path: X-Original-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: codec@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8797321F8A3D for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:53:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.123 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.123 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_HOST_EQ_D_D_D_D=0.765, HOST_MISMATCH_NET=0.311, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ypHI+DboaUiP for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:53:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net (ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net [IPv6:2001:44b8:8060:ff02:300:1:6:5]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C63621F854F for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:53:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppp121-45-73-119.lns20.adl6.internode.on.net (HELO audi.shelbyville.oz) ([121.45.73.119]) by ipmail05.adl6.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 23 Jan 2013 05:23:24 +1030 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by audi.shelbyville.oz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CECB4F8F3 for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:23:23 +1030 (CST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at audi.shelbyville.oz Received: from audi.shelbyville.oz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (audi.shelbyville.oz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id f8PRv5HhtPKr for ; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:23:22 +1030 (CST) Received: by audi.shelbyville.oz (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CA5564F902; Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:23:22 +1030 (CST) Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 05:23:22 +1030 From: Ron To: codec@ietf.org Message-ID: <20130122185322.GU31373@audi.shelbyville.oz> References: <50FEC296.1050902@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <50FEC296.1050902@nostrum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Subject: Re: [codec] Join me in thanking Cullen for his efforts as CODEC WG cochair X-BeenThere: codec@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Codec WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:53:30 -0000 On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:47:18AM -0600, Robert Sparks wrote: > Please join me in thanking Cullen for all he's put into this group! Indeed, Thanks very much Cullen! The effort you put in to help pull this all together successfully is very much appreciated. Best, Ron