From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Thu May 2 11:00:17 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA03466 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id LAA13252 for diffserv-interest-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 2 May 2002 11:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12911; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12887 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-shield2.njit.edu (mail-shield2.njit.edu [128.235.251.172]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA03044 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:55:39 -0400 (EDT) From: lz6@njit.edu Received: (from uucp@localhost) by mail-shield2.njit.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g42EtBw26460 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nodnsquery(128.235.251.173) by mail-shield2.njit.edu via csmap (V4.1) id srcAAA0ea1wC; Thu, 2 May 02 10:55:11 -0400 Received: from mailhost.njit.edu (mailhost.njit.edu [128.235.251.108]) by mail-gw5.njit.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g42Et9V04279 for ; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:55:10 -0400 Received: (from apache@localhost) by mailhost.njit.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) id KAA03115 for diffserv-interest@ietf.org; Thu, 2 May 2002 10:55:10 -0400 (EDT) To: diffserv-interest@ietf.org Message-ID: <1020351310.3cd1534e4a4db@mailhost.njit.edu> Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 10:55:10 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: IMP/PHP IMAP webmail program 2.2.4 X-Originating-IP: 65.204.107.162 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Diffserv-interest] absolute and relative diffserv Sender: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Differentiated services general discussion X-BeenThere: diffserv-interest@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello, Maybe my question is naive, but I really want to know the answer: Is it meaningful to provide absolute Diffserv(such as EF and AF) and proportional Diffserv (proposed by Dovrolis...) in the same network at the same time? Thanks, Li _______________________________________________ Diffserv-interest mailing list Diffserv-interest@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv-interest From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Fri May 3 05:11:34 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA07638 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 05:11:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id FAA22102 for diffserv-interest-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 3 May 2002 05:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA22068; Fri, 3 May 2002 05:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA21187 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 05:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from satanas.hds.utc.fr (satanas.hds.utc.fr [195.83.157.25]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id EAA07424 for ; Fri, 3 May 2002 04:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcaaron.utc.fr (pcaaron.gi.utc [172.17.2.141]) by satanas.hds.utc.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2F7C5CA0; Fri, 3 May 2002 10:59:52 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020502131938.00b102b0@pophds.gi.utc> X-Sender: striegel@pophds.gi.utc X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:25:17 -0500 To: lz6@njit.edu, diffserv-interest@ietf.org From: Aaron D Striegel Subject: Re: [Diffserv-interest] absolute and relative diffserv In-Reply-To: <1020351310.3cd1534e4a4db@mailhost.njit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Differentiated services general discussion X-BeenThere: diffserv-interest@ietf.org Li, I would think that you could still offer EF via priority scheduling with appropriate rate-limiting and AF traffic using the proportional DiffServ. For example, you could simply set AF1x to be the best class followed by AF2x, etc. One could also do the same for differentiating the different AF loss priorities as outlined by Dovrolis/Ramanathan in a different paper in IEEE Network. However, I am not sure that the effects of such proportional loss mechanisms has been thoroughly studied from edge-to-edge which might be an interesting area of research. Unless there has been some recent work, their research primarily focused on per-hop differentiation rather than the edge-to-edge behavior. You might also want to check the recent article in ToN regarding proportional DiffServ by Leung, Lui, and Yau. Best of luck! Aaron At 10:55 AM 5/2/2002 -0400, lz6@njit.edu wrote: >Hello, > >Maybe my question is naive, but I really want to know the answer: > >Is it meaningful to provide absolute Diffserv(such as EF and AF) and >proportional Diffserv (proposed by Dovrolis...) in the same network at >the same time? > >Thanks, > >Li > > >_______________________________________________ >Diffserv-interest mailing list >Diffserv-interest@ietf.org >https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv-interest Aaron Striegel Ph.D Student, Computer Engineering Dept. of Electrical & Computer Engineering Iowa State University Researching abroad at UTC (Universite de Technologie Compiegne) E-mail: striegel@hds.utc.fr or adstrieg@iastate.edu Webpage: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~magico _______________________________________________ Diffserv-interest mailing list Diffserv-interest@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv-interest From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Thu May 16 08:08:31 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA21554 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 08:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA08238 for diffserv-interest-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 16 May 2002 08:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08175; Thu, 16 May 2002 08:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA08149 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 08:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com [171.69.24.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA21527 for ; Thu, 16 May 2002 08:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from FRED-W2K6.cisco.com (sj-dial-4-18.cisco.com [171.68.181.147]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.12.2/8.12.2) with ESMTP id g4GC6aPJ015355; Thu, 16 May 2002 05:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020516050344.01c67ba8@mira-sjcm-4.cisco.com> X-Sender: fred@mira-sjcm-4.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 05:06:34 -0700 To: hchang From: Fred Baker Cc: Diffserv In-Reply-To: <200205160943.RAA23105@letterbox.scut.edu.cn> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [Diffserv-interest] Re: [Diffserv] (no subject) Sender: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Differentiated services general discussion X-BeenThere: diffserv-interest@ietf.org At 05:58 PM 5/16/2002 +0800, hchang wrote: >so how can we guarantee the per-flow QOS in this aggregated model? we can't, not without per-flow queuing > so how can we use QOS routing in the Diffserv model? About all we can do is something similar to OSPF's TOS routing, discriminating on the DSCP as well as the destination address, or move to a source/destination routing paradigm. _______________________________________________ Diffserv-interest mailing list Diffserv-interest@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv-interest From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Wed May 22 08:11:28 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA25937 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA17832 for diffserv-interest-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17420; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17381 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:07:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ganesh.ctd.hctech.com ([202.54.64.2]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA25624; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by GANESH with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 22 May 2002 17:49:52 +0530 Message-ID: <55E277B99171E041ABF5F4B1C6DDCA061119F6@HARITHA> From: "Balasankar R - CTD, Chennai." To: diffserv-interest@ietf.org Cc: diffserv@ietf.org Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:39:01 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Diffserv-interest] User defined DSCP Mappings Sender: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Differentiated services general discussion X-BeenThere: diffserv-interest@ietf.org Hi, It is possible to have a custom mapping between DSCP values and classes of service. Under which circumstances, one would need to use such custom mappings? Is it not enough to have the same DSCP-to-service mappings as suggested in the AF and EF RFCs? Thanks, BalaSankar.R _______________________________________________ Diffserv-interest mailing list Diffserv-interest@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv-interest From daemon@ns.ietf.org Wed May 22 08:58:12 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA29054 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id IAA20702 for diffserv-interest-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20269; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA20233 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw1.hursley.ibm.com (mail-gw1.hursley.ibm.com [194.196.110.15]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA28666; Wed, 22 May 2002 08:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sp15en17.hursley.ibm.com (sp15at17.hursley.ibm.com [9.20.45.103]) by mail-gw1.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA20432; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:53:23 +0100 Received: from hursley.ibm.com (dhcp22-167.zurich.ibm.com [9.4.22.167]) by sp15en17.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA50078; Wed, 22 May 2002 13:53:51 +0100 Message-ID: <3CEB950D.D37469CA@hursley.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:54:37 +0200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en,fr,de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Balasankar R - CTD, Chennai." CC: diffserv-interest@ietf.org, diffserv@ietf.org References: <55E277B99171E041ABF5F4B1C6DDCA061119F6@HARITHA> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Diffserv-interest] Re: [Diffserv] User defined DSCP Mappings Sender: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Differentiated services general discussion X-BeenThere: diffserv-interest@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Some ISPs stated a very strong requirement to have the flexibility to create local mappings, since they did not want their service offerings to be limited by the standard. This was the rough consensus established in the diffserv WG interim meeting in June 1998. (Not everyone agreed, but that's the nature of IETF consensus.) I've answered this question on the WG mailing list since it is a piece of very basic diffserv history that everyone needs to know, but please follow up on the diffserv-interest list only. Regards Brian Carpenter diffserv co-chair INET 2002, Washington, DC, 18-21 June http://www.inet2002.org "Balasankar R - CTD, Chennai." wrote: > > Hi, > > It is possible to have a custom mapping between DSCP values and > classes of service. Under which circumstances, one would need > to use such custom mappings? Is it not enough to have the same > DSCP-to-service mappings as suggested in the AF and EF RFCs? > > Thanks, > BalaSankar.R _______________________________________________ Diffserv-interest mailing list Diffserv-interest@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv-interest From daemon@optimus.ietf.org Wed May 22 22:54:18 2002 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14760 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 22:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id WAA08825 for diffserv-interest-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 22 May 2002 22:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08764; Wed, 22 May 2002 22:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08737 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 22:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kc-msxproto4.kc.umkc.edu (kc-msxproto4.kc.umkc.edu [134.193.143.48]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA14752 for ; Wed, 22 May 2002 22:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from KC-MAIL2.kc.umkc.edu ([134.193.143.162] RDNS failed) by kc-msxproto4.kc.umkc.edu with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Wed, 22 May 2002 21:54:11 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.5762.3 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C20205.1D55E239" Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:54:11 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [Diffserv] Request Help for Survey about DiffServ, and DiffServ in Intra-domain Thread-Index: AcICAmUMy6CA77NHTo+T0KuFucZiLgAAfzuw From: "Ayyasamy, Senthilkumar (UMKC-Student)" To: "zhaozhuang" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2002 02:54:11.0157 (UTC) FILETIME=[1D6D0050:01C20205] Subject: [Diffserv-interest] RE: [Diffserv] Request Help for Survey about DiffServ, and DiffServ in Intra-domain Sender: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-interest-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Differentiated services general discussion X-BeenThere: diffserv-interest@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C20205.1D55E239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >By the way, do you advised a good latest survey about DiffServ.Thanks = in advance. =20 http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~jain/refs/ipqs_ref.htm = http://www.rp.csiro.au/~mminhazu/dif_serv.html=20 = http://www.stanford.edu/~amarko/bookmarks.html ( ref to Voip and = diffserv) and search google :) - Senthil. =20 =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C20205.1D55E239 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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