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I have posted an initial I-D for the two TCs to the
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Thanks,
Bert 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Grossman [mailto:dan@dma.isg.mot.com]
> Sent: dinsdag 21 januari 2003 17:34
> To: Juergen Schoenwaelder
> Cc: bwijnen@lucent.com; rap@ops.ietf.org; diffserv@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Diffserv] FlowId and FlowIdOrAny
> 
> 
> Um... since you're bringing the Diffserv folks into the 
> middle of the conversation, would
> it be possible to clue us in as to what we're talking about?
> Thanks.
> 
> Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
> 
> > I changed the subject line and fixed the proposed TC. So 
> here is where
> > I think we are. I have also reduced the CC list and I have added the
> > diffserv mailing list since diffserv folks should be in the loop I
> > think.
> >
> >   FlowId TECTUAL-CONVENTION
> >       DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> >       STATUS       current
> >       DESCRIPTION
> >         "The flow identifier in an IPv6 header that may be used to
> >          discriminate traffic flows."
> >       REFERENCE
> >         "RFC 2460"
> >       SYNTAX       Integer32 (0..1048575)
> >
> >   FlowIdOrAny TECTUAL-CONVENTION
> >       DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> >       STATUS       current
> >       DESCRIPTION
> >         "The flow identifier in an IPv6 header that may be used to
> >          discriminate traffic flows. The value of -1 is used to
> >          indicate a wildcard, i.e. any value."
> >       REFERENCE
> >         "RFC 2460"
> >       SYNTAX       Integer32 (-1 | 0..1048575)
> >
> > Open issues:
> >
> > - Is the flow identifier the same as the flow label? I guess so. If
> >   this is true, then we should probably use the TC names FlowLabel
> >   and FlowLableOrAny and also change the wordings in the description
> >   clause.
> >
> > - The name of the MIB modules which will contain these definitions.
> >
> > - Since Fred kind of said that the diffServMultiFieldClfrFlowId
> >   object should have had a wildcard, can we agree that this is
> >   actually a bug in RFC 3289 which will be fixed by using 
> FlowIdOrAny
> >   in the next revision of the DIFFSERV-MIB?
> >
> > /js
> >
> > --
> > Juergen Schoenwaelder    
> <http://www.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/schoenw/>
> >
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Hi,

i know this is offtopic but i didnt know where else to ask.

i understand that the EXP bits in MPLS are used to provide DSCP 
functionality(Diffserv) for EXp inferred LSP's in MPLS.

1. i want to know how the DSCP bits are mapped to the EXP bits ?

2. Further, since the DSCP  ( pow(2,8) = 256 combinations ) is 8 bits and 
provides 22 different PHB's(or roughly 7 different classes),
     and the EXP is just 3 bits and therefore can provide only upto 8 
different classes, wouldnt there be loss of info while mapping DSCP->EXP ?

any help would be greatly appreciated.

Warm Regards
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Have a look at <http://www.ietf.cnri.reston.va.us/rfc/rfc3270.txt>

At 11:50 AM 2/4/2003 +0530, nerdboy wrote:
>Hi,
>
>i know this is offtopic but i didnt know where else to ask.
>
>i understand that the EXP bits in MPLS are used to provide DSCP
>functionality(Diffserv) for EXp inferred LSP's in MPLS.
>
>1. i want to know how the DSCP bits are mapped to the EXP bits ?
>
>2. Further, since the DSCP  ( pow(2,8) = 256 combinations ) is 8 bits and
>provides 22 different PHB's(or roughly 7 different classes),
>      and the EXP is just 3 bits and therefore can provide only upto 8
>different classes, wouldnt there be loss of info while mapping DSCP->EXP ?
>
>any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
>Warm Regards
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Duffy [mailto:mduffy@quarrytech.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:29 AM
> To: nerdboy@rediffmail.com; Diffserv@ietf.org

> >2. Further, since the DSCP  ( pow(2,8) = 256 combinations ) 
> is 8 bits and
> >provides 22 different PHB's(or roughly 7 different classes),
> >      and the EXP is just 3 bits and therefore can provide 
> only upto 8
> >different classes, wouldnt there be loss of info while 
> mapping DSCP->EXP ?
> >

No because in MPLS we do DSCP=> PHB translation and PHB=> EXP+Label encoding. The label gives you the context info, so each label can support up to 8 PHBs. To support all 64 PHBs (which are not defined yet) you need 8 parallel LSPs.


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Shahram,
  You are referring to L-LSPs where a one-to-one mapping can
be done, where as E-LSPs there isn't, which is what I believe
nerdboy is asking about.

Best Regards,
--Jeff

In message "[Diffserv] [OFFLIST] MPLS+Diffserv(mapping DSCP to EXP)", Shahram Davari writes:

>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mark Duffy [mailto:mduffy@quarrytech.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:29 AM
>> To: nerdboy@rediffmail.com; Diffserv@ietf.org
>
>> >2. Further, since the DSCP  ( pow(2,8) = 256 combinations ) 
>> is 8 bits and
>> >provides 22 different PHB's(or roughly 7 different classes),
>> >      and the EXP is just 3 bits and therefore can provide 
>> only upto 8
>> >different classes, wouldnt there be loss of info while 
>> mapping DSCP->EXP ?
>> >
>
>No because in MPLS we do DSCP=> PHB translation and PHB=> EXP+Label encoding. The label gives you the context info, so each label can support up to 8 PHBs. To support all 64 PHBs (which are not defined yet) you need 8 parallel LSPs.
>
>
>-Shahram
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Kwok, will this result in a change to the diffserv PIB?
If so we will have to do a check with this WG whether anyone
objects to the change, since the PIB passed Last Call a long
time ago.

If it introduces a dependency on a new draft, the PIB RFC will
be blocked (again). So maybe you will have to paste in the TCs.

Please tell us the exact changes you plan to the PIB.

Thanks
    Brian

"Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" wrote:
> 
> I have posted an initial I-D for the two TCs to the
> mibs@ops.ietf.org mailing list.
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> Thanks,
> Bert
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan Grossman [mailto:dan@dma.isg.mot.com]
> > Sent: dinsdag 21 januari 2003 17:34
> > To: Juergen Schoenwaelder
> > Cc: bwijnen@lucent.com; rap@ops.ietf.org; diffserv@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Diffserv] FlowId and FlowIdOrAny
> >
> >
> > Um... since you're bringing the Diffserv folks into the
> > middle of the conversation, would
> > it be possible to clue us in as to what we're talking about?
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Juergen Schoenwaelder wrote:
> >
> > > I changed the subject line and fixed the proposed TC. So
> > here is where
> > > I think we are. I have also reduced the CC list and I have added the
> > > diffserv mailing list since diffserv folks should be in the loop I
> > > think.
> > >
> > >   FlowId TECTUAL-CONVENTION
> > >       DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> > >       STATUS       current
> > >       DESCRIPTION
> > >         "The flow identifier in an IPv6 header that may be used to
> > >          discriminate traffic flows."
> > >       REFERENCE
> > >         "RFC 2460"
> > >       SYNTAX       Integer32 (0..1048575)
> > >
> > >   FlowIdOrAny TECTUAL-CONVENTION
> > >       DISPLAY-HINT "d"
> > >       STATUS       current
> > >       DESCRIPTION
> > >         "The flow identifier in an IPv6 header that may be used to
> > >          discriminate traffic flows. The value of -1 is used to
> > >          indicate a wildcard, i.e. any value."
> > >       REFERENCE
> > >         "RFC 2460"
> > >       SYNTAX       Integer32 (-1 | 0..1048575)
> > >
> > > Open issues:
> > >
> > > - Is the flow identifier the same as the flow label? I guess so. If
> > >   this is true, then we should probably use the TC names FlowLabel
> > >   and FlowLableOrAny and also change the wordings in the description
> > >   clause.
> > >
> > > - The name of the MIB modules which will contain these definitions.
> > >
> > > - Since Fred kind of said that the diffServMultiFieldClfrFlowId
> > >   object should have had a wildcard, can we agree that this is
> > >   actually a bug in RFC 3289 which will be fixed by using
> > FlowIdOrAny
> > >   in the next revision of the DIFFSERV-MIB?
> > >
> > > /js
> > >
> > > --
> > > Juergen Schoenwaelder
> > <http://www.informatik.uni-osnabrueck.de/schoenw/>
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