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Hi Everyone

Links to survey results (and some embedded survey comments) below:

1) Newcomers Orientation: =
https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-S7QTWSVS8/
- 15 respondents

A few comments:
- Add a little about the life cycles of standards track and =
informational RFC, and how the decision is made which track is chosen, =
by whom it is chosen, and when the decision is made.=20
- The presentation covered all the basic info for new attendees. Highly =
recommended for all fellows.
- I liked the humming demonstration=20
- I had already read / watched ahead of meeting, but it was good to get =
an on-site intro
- The presentation gives an overview of all the basics and tips on how =
to prepare yourself for taking and contributing the most during the =
meetings.

2) Transport Layer Security (TLS) 1.3: =
https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-37PZDSVS8/
- 24 responses=20

Comments:=20
- This needs promoting outside the IETF
- I did'nt understand "IANA Registry will include Recommended =
column".Please mail me the details at [email redacted]
- PFS deserves more time
- It is a taster. Those interested will follow up. [this was regarding =
tutorial length]
- Probably about right if there were more questions but there were mot =
many at all [also regarding tutorial length]
- Could get into a bit more detail on why 1.3 is more secure besides =
getting rid of too many cipher suites. Danced around the more =
controversial bits too much.

Specific suggestions for improvement:
- You could break up this topic into several levels -- a beginners =
tutorial (how does the protocol work) and maybe one that discusses "how =
does this version differ from the previous" (which is what this one =
seemed to be).
- You have shared the good side (Advantages) of TLS 1.3 and that is =
reasonable. Kindly share the details of disadvantages of TLS 1.3. List =
may include Impact of PFS on the decryption techniques in the data =
centers. Management of large numbers of Ephemeral keys Cost associated =
in the implementation Vs Security achieved. I may be asking too musch =
but please share the details at [email redacted]
- For the tutorials, it is not clear as to the expectations of the =
technical level of attendees. Perhaps a survey prior to IETF, asking if =
anyone with a non-technical background would be interested in learning =
about the "basics" of an area (such as TLS 1.3). If a high enough =
response is received (determined by EDU), a session could be held on a =
technology for "non-technical attendees".
- Fewer animations! The slides look like someone from Marketing did them =
(sorry, didn=E2=80=99t mean to be insulting).
- We have three more TLS sessions this week. Hopefully it gets covered =
there
- Further planned changes for final version, some current points of =
discussion.
- Wireshark Demo Docker Demo

3) WebRTC: https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-Y9YGLRVS8/
- 9 responses

There were a couple of specific comments on technical content. In =
addition, a couple of responses indicated that the tutorial was more =
detailed than expected, e.g. =E2=80=9CThis was WAY more detailed than =
the TLS 1.3 tutorial. Might want to have a few keywords that say what =
kind of tutorial it is, or be more specific (eg WebRTC API overview vs =
WebRTC overview).=E2=80=9D

4) Routing Area: https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-5P885RVS8/
- 4 responses

Comments:
- I think that the material was pretty good. What I think will be =
interesting is to give the authors more time to give more details during =
the presentation.
- I feel that there should be links to websites for each working group, =
and a short roundup on what cool things are being discussed here in =
IETF100


-Alexa


> On Dec 6, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen O'Donoghue <odonoghue@isoc.org> =
wrote:
>=20
> Folks,
>=20
> This message is a bit long, but I wanted to provide a quick summary or =
the highlights of the EDU related activities at IETF 100, some =
preliminary post mortem thoughts, and an initial set of next steps (all =
from my perspective only). You will also get a doodle poll from Mirjam =
as we hope to schedule an EDU meeting next week to focus on EDU =
activities. Additionally, I=E2=80=99m planning a separate summary for =
EMO in general, and we=E2=80=99ll try to schedule a full EMO directorate =
meeting either the follow week or in early January. Thank you all for =
all your efforts. I personally think we are making good progress. (Also =
note there are a few specific ASKS for people scattered through this =
random set of notes.)=20
>=20
> Newcomer=E2=80=99s Webinar
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Mike, Alexa, and I were part of the first Newcomer=E2=80=99s Webinar. =
Mike did a short presentation, and then we did a question and answer =
session. We had roughly 25 participants. A few quick observations: we =
had some technical difficulties at the beginning that got us off to a =
bit of a rough start, we forgot to hit the record button until some time =
into the call. I think I would call it a mixed success
>=20
> Sunday Tutorials:=20
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> The Sunday tutorials all seemed to go well. We had roughly the =
following attendance (based on my rough count for each - the secretariat =
may have more accurate numbers, but these are close):=20
> Newcomer=E2=80=99s - 75
> TLS - 75
> WebRTC - 50
> Routing Area Overview - 25
>=20
> Niels suggested (and implemented for TLS and WebRTC) doing a brief =
intro to the tutorial by an EDU team member (in this case Niels). I =
think this worked really well. Beyond being nice to provide a brief =
intro to the speakers and the topic, it had a few additional benefits: =
1) It put a =E2=80=9Cface to a name=E2=80=9D for EDU activities; and 2) =
it gave a change to provide EDU related reminders like =E2=80=9Cdo the =
survey=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cgive us ideas for additional tutorial =
topics=E2=80=9D.=20
>=20
> One downside was that we had some pretty significant AV issues for the =
beginning of the TLS tutorial. This also impacted the remote =
availability and I believe the recording. Also, we might want to =
consider a brief set of instructions for speakers (like bring your own =
dongle if possible, and presentations are done from your own laptop, =
etc). I think Alice has mentioned this previously.=20
>=20
> Finally, on tutorials, you will have seen Mike=E2=80=99s note on the =
Newcomer=E2=80=99s tutorial. We will need to talk about next steps for =
that tutorial. Mirjam and I have talked about developing a team of =
people who could give this tutorial.=20
>=20
> [ASK - Alexa] Can you send out links to the survey results in advance =
of next week=E2=80=99s (to be scheduled) meeting?=20
> [ACTION - All] Ideas for future tutorials (with speakers!).=20
>=20
> WG Chairs Forum
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> The talks by Jorge and Michelle on IPR and IANA went very well. I =
liked the tutorial nature of the talks as well as the two way dialog =
that provided quality feedback from the WG chairs. We are now treating =
this as a session of the IETF complete with agenda, minutes, meet echo =
support, etc. After the session, Alexa and I set up a jabber room =
(wgchairs@jabber.ietf.org <mailto:wgchairs@jabber.ietf.org>) and a wiki =
page (https://trac.ietf.org/trac/wgchairs/wiki/WGChairsForum =
<https://trac.ietf.org/trac/wgchairs/wiki/WGChairsForum>) to further =
track discussions and actions that come up in that forum as well as =
capture ideas for future topics.=20
>=20
> I had a new working group chair approach me on Thursday about the =
difficulty in finding or digesting material that would be helpful for =
new working group chairs. She is willing to work with us to look =
specifically at WG Chairs information. I also had a couple of other =
conversations and potential volunteers related to this topic. My first =
thought is to gather the folks that have expressed an interest, have a =
brainstorming meeting about things that could be done (both near term =
and longer term), and establish a design/tiger team to go off to do some =
of this stuff (soliciting additional volunteers via the wg chairs list).=20=

>=20
> [ACTION: Karen to schedule brainstorming meeting on WG chairs training =
materials=E2=80=A6 maybe week after EDU meeting if possible]=20
>=20
> Experiment on WG Overview/Intro videos
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> Greg and Richard were able to get produce one video.=20
> Here is the video on OAUTH. =
https://isoc.app.box.com/s/yc6dyjhw8u3meeiqx36odh42h0qkd54h =
<https://isoc.app.box.com/s/yc6dyjhw8u3meeiqx36odh42h0qkd54h>
> I wonder if this meets the original objectives and if it is scalable. =
I=E2=80=99d be curious what you all think.=20
> Greg (and by extension Richard) have some feedback and lessons learned =
on the experiment.=20
>=20
> EDU material on the new website
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D
> This is not directly related to IETF 100, but it is upon us. The new =
website will be rolling out in early January. There are pages that we =
(the EDU team) are responsible for. We need to take a look at what is =
currently proposed and discuss a process for more effectively and =
efficiently maintaining this content in the future.=20
>=20
> [ACTION: Greg: Share details in advance of next week=E2=80=99s =
meeting. ]
>=20
> So, as I said at the beginning=E2=80=A6 yeah EDU Team=E2=80=A6 There =
will be a second note coming with more EMO directorate related topics. =
Those topics include Mentoring, Speed mentoring, Outreach (Alia=E2=80=99s =
meeting plus draft status), Newcomer=E2=80=99s Feedback session, =
Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet, ISOC related programs, metrics =
definition and measurement, and possibly a few more I=E2=80=99ve =
forgotten at the moment.=20
>=20
> Comments and suggestions welcome.=20
>=20
> Regards,
> Karen
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> edu-team mailing list
> edu-team@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-team


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class=3D"">Hi Everyone<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Links to survey results (and some embedded survey comments) =
below:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">1) Newcomers Orientation: <a =
href=3D"https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-S7QTWSVS8/" =
class=3D"">https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-S7QTWSVS8/</a></div><di=
v class=3D"">- 15 respondents</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">A few comments:</div><div class=3D"">- =
Add a little about the life cycles of standards track and informational =
RFC, and how the decision is made which track is chosen, by whom it is =
chosen, and when the decision is made.&nbsp;</div>- The presentation =
covered all the basic info for new attendees. Highly recommended for all =
fellows.<div class=3D"">- I liked the humming demonstration&nbsp;<br =
class=3D"">- I had already read / watched ahead of meeting, but it was =
good to get an on-site intro<br class=3D"">- The presentation gives an =
overview of all the basics and tips on how to prepare yourself for =
taking and contributing the most during the meetings.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">2) Transport Layer Security (TLS) 1.3:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-37PZDSVS8/" =
class=3D"">https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-37PZDSVS8/</a><div =
class=3D"">- 24 responses&nbsp;<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Comments:&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">- =
This needs promoting outside the IETF<br class=3D"">- I did'nt =
understand "IANA Registry will include&nbsp;Recommended column".Please =
mail me the details at [email redacted]<br class=3D"">- PFS deserves =
more time</div><div class=3D"">- It is a taster. Those interested will =
follow up. [this was regarding tutorial length]<br class=3D"">- Probably =
about right if there were more questions but there were mot many at all =
[also regarding tutorial length]<br class=3D"">- Could get into a bit =
more detail on why 1.3 is more&nbsp;secure besides getting rid of too =
many cipher suites. Danced around the&nbsp;more controversial bits too =
much.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Specific =
suggestions for improvement:</div><div class=3D"">- You could break up =
this topic into several levels -- a&nbsp;beginners tutorial (how does =
the protocol work) and maybe one that&nbsp;discusses "how does this =
version differ from the previous" (which is&nbsp;what this one seemed to =
be).<br class=3D"">- You have shared the good side (Advantages) of TLS =
1.3 and that is reasonable.&nbsp;Kindly share the details of =
disadvantages of TLS 1.3.&nbsp;List may include&nbsp;Impact of PFS on =
the decryption techniques in the data centers.&nbsp;Management of large =
numbers of Ephemeral keys&nbsp;Cost associated in the implementation Vs =
Security achieved.&nbsp;I may be asking too musch but please share the =
details at [email redacted]<br class=3D"">- For the tutorials, it is not =
clear as to the&nbsp;expectations of the technical level of =
attendees.&nbsp;Perhaps a survey&nbsp;prior to IETF, asking if anyone =
with a non-technical background would be&nbsp;interested in learning =
about the&nbsp;"basics" of an area (such as TLS 1.3).&nbsp;If a high =
enough response is received (determined by EDU), a session&nbsp;could be =
held on a technology for "non-technical attendees".<br class=3D"">- =
Fewer animations! The slides look like someone from Marketing did them =
(sorry, didn=E2=80=99t mean to be insulting).<br class=3D"">- We have =
three more TLS sessions this week.&nbsp;Hopefully it gets covered =
there<br class=3D"">- Further planned changes for final version, some =
current points of discussion.<br class=3D"">- Wireshark Demo&nbsp;Docker =
Demo</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">3) =
WebRTC:&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-Y9YGLRVS8/" =
class=3D"">https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-Y9YGLRVS8/</a></div></d=
iv><div class=3D"">- 9 responses</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">There were a couple of specific =
comments on technical content. In addition, a couple of responses =
indicated that the tutorial was more detailed than expected, e.g. =
=E2=80=9CThis was WAY more detailed than the TLS 1.3 tutorial. Might =
want to have&nbsp;a few keywords that say what kind of tutorial it is, =
or be more&nbsp;specific (eg WebRTC API overview vs WebRTC =
overview).=E2=80=9D</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">4) Routing Area: <a =
href=3D"https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-5P885RVS8/" =
class=3D"">https://www.surveymonkey.com/results/SM-5P885RVS8/</a></div><di=
v class=3D"">- 4 responses</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Comments:</div><div class=3D"">- I think that the material =
was pretty good. What I think will be interesting is to give the authors =
more time to give more details during the presentation.<br class=3D"">- =
I feel that there should be links to websites for each working group, =
and a short roundup on what cool things are being discussed here in =
IETF100</div></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">-Alexa</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Dec 6, 2017, at 7:38 AM, Karen O'Donoghue &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:odonoghue@isoc.org" class=3D"">odonoghue@isoc.org</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D"">

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class=3D"">

<div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; =
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">
Folks,
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">This message is a bit long, but I wanted to provide a =
quick summary or the highlights of the EDU related activities at IETF =
100, some preliminary post mortem thoughts, and an initial set of next =
steps (all from my perspective only). You will also
 get a doodle poll from Mirjam as we hope to schedule an EDU meeting =
next week to focus on EDU activities. Additionally, I=E2=80=99m planning =
a separate summary for EMO in general, and we=E2=80=99ll try to schedule =
a full EMO directorate meeting either the follow week or in
 early January. Thank you all for all your efforts. I personally think =
we are making good progress. (Also note there are a few specific ASKS =
for people scattered through this random set of notes.)&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Newcomer=E2=80=99s Webinar</div>
<div class=3D"">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</div>
<div class=3D"">Mike, Alexa, and I were part of the first Newcomer=E2=80=99=
s Webinar. Mike did a short presentation, and then we did a question and =
answer session. We had roughly 25 participants. A few quick =
observations: we had some technical difficulties at the beginning
 that got us off to a bit of a rough start, we forgot to hit the record =
button until some time into the call. I think I would call it a mixed =
success</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Sunday Tutorials:&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</div>
<div class=3D"">The Sunday tutorials all seemed to go well. We had =
roughly the following attendance (based on my rough count for each - the =
secretariat may have more accurate numbers, but these are =
close):&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">Newcomer=E2=80=99s - 75</div>
<div class=3D"">TLS - 75</div>
<div class=3D"">WebRTC - 50</div>
<div class=3D"">Routing Area Overview - 25</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Niels suggested (and implemented for TLS and WebRTC) =
doing a brief intro to the tutorial by an EDU team member (in this case =
Niels). I think this worked really well. Beyond being nice to provide a =
brief intro to the speakers and the topic, it
 had a few additional benefits: 1) It put a =E2=80=9Cface to a name=E2=80=9D=
 for EDU activities; and 2) it gave a change to provide EDU related =
reminders like =E2=80=9Cdo the survey=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cgive us =
ideas for additional tutorial topics=E2=80=9D.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">One downside was that we had some pretty significant AV =
issues for the beginning of the TLS tutorial. This also impacted the =
remote availability and I believe the recording. Also, we might want to =
consider a brief set of instructions for speakers
 (like bring your own dongle if possible, and presentations are done =
from your own laptop, etc). I think Alice has mentioned this =
previously.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Finally, on tutorials, you will have seen Mike=E2=80=99s =
note on the Newcomer=E2=80=99s tutorial. We will need to talk about next =
steps for that tutorial. Mirjam and I have talked about developing a =
team of people who could give this tutorial.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">[ASK - Alexa] Can you send out links to the survey =
results in advance of next week=E2=80=99s (to be scheduled) =
meeting?&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">[ACTION - All] Ideas for future tutorials (with =
speakers!).&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">WG Chairs Forum</div>
<div class=3D"">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</div>
<div class=3D"">The talks by Jorge and Michelle on IPR and IANA went =
very well. I liked the tutorial nature of the talks as well as the two =
way dialog that provided quality feedback from the WG chairs. We are now =
treating this as a session of the IETF complete
 with agenda, minutes, meet echo support, etc. After the session, Alexa =
and I set up a jabber room (<a href=3D"mailto:wgchairs@jabber.ietf.org" =
class=3D"">wgchairs@jabber.ietf.org</a>) and a wiki page (<a =
href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/wgchairs/wiki/WGChairsForum" =
class=3D"">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/wgchairs/wiki/WGChairsForum</a>)
 to further track discussions and actions that come up in that forum as =
well as capture ideas for future topics.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">I had a new working group chair approach me on Thursday =
about the difficulty in finding or digesting material that would be =
helpful for new working group chairs. She is willing to work with us to =
look specifically at WG Chairs information. I also
 had a couple of other conversations and potential volunteers related to =
this topic. My first thought is to gather the folks that have expressed =
an interest, have a brainstorming meeting about things that could be =
done (both near term and longer term), and
 establish a design/tiger team to go off to do some of this stuff =
(soliciting additional volunteers via the wg chairs list).&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">[ACTION: Karen to schedule brainstorming meeting on WG =
chairs training materials=E2=80=A6 maybe week after EDU meeting if =
possible]&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Experiment on WG Overview/Intro videos</div>
<div class=3D"">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</div>
<div class=3D"">Greg and Richard were able to get produce one =
video.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">Here is the video on OAUTH.&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://isoc.app.box.com/s/yc6dyjhw8u3meeiqx36odh42h0qkd54h" =
class=3D"">https://isoc.app.box.com/s/yc6dyjhw8u3meeiqx36odh42h0qkd54h</a>=
</div>
<div class=3D"">I wonder if this meets the original objectives and if it =
is scalable. I=E2=80=99d be curious what you all think.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">Greg (and by extension Richard) have some feedback and =
lessons learned on the experiment.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">EDU material on the new website</div>
<div class=3D"">=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D</div>
<div class=3D"">This is not directly related to IETF 100, but it is upon =
us. The new website will be rolling out in early January. There are =
pages that we (the EDU team) are responsible for. We need to take a look =
at what is currently proposed and discuss a process
 for more effectively and efficiently maintaining this content in the =
future.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">[ACTION: Greg: Share details in advance of next week=E2=80=
=99s meeting. ]</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">So, as I said at the beginning=E2=80=A6 yeah EDU Team=E2=80=
=A6 There will be a second note coming with more EMO directorate related =
topics. Those topics include Mentoring, Speed mentoring, Outreach =
(Alia=E2=80=99s meeting plus draft status), Newcomer=E2=80=99s Feedback =
session,
 Newcomer=E2=80=99s Meet and Greet, ISOC related programs, metrics =
definition and measurement, and possibly a few more I=E2=80=99ve =
forgotten at the moment.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Comments and suggestions welcome.&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
<div class=3D"">Regards,</div>
<div class=3D"">Karen</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">
</div>
</div>

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