From nobody Wed Apr 6 12:17:58 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emo-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: emo-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D241B3A0E9C for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2022 12:17:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.115 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.115 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, LOTS_OF_MONEY=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uMQwJGCpzAly for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2022 12:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (unknown [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 095A13A0AD9 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2022 12:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD95409278D for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2022 12:17:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D-KIHczw2Ebe for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2022 12:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [70.18.229.17]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BC29B4030927 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2022 12:17:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Wood Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C5F3B6EB-7C07-4F0B-BA48-69B15EF4FB62"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\)) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:17:51 -0400 References: <164794252963.30530.17524189416754526850@ietfa.amsl.com> <31937297-6B96-4819-8058-6607EB0E82C4@staff.ietf.org> To: emo-dir@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <31937297-6B96-4819-8058-6607EB0E82C4@staff.ietf.org> Message-Id: <033C0F00-8CDC-47B2-AA1D-023206E320F3@staff.ietf.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: [Emo-dir] Final reminder: Education, Mentoring and Outreach Directorate (emodir) DIR Virtual Meeting: 2022-04-07 X-BeenThere: emo-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Education, Mentoring & Outreach Directorate" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2022 19:17:57 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C5F3B6EB-7C07-4F0B-BA48-69B15EF4FB62 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi everyone, Here=E2=80=99s a slightly updated agenda for tomorrow (also at = https://notes.ietf.org/emodir-2022-04-07-notes): + Welcome and administrative details + Agenda bash + review updated emodir activities plan for 2022 brainstorming + discuss newcomers activities around IETF 113 and going forward + AOB Thanks to everyone who has already responded to the survey about the = 2022 draft plan. 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See you soon! -Greg Zoom Details Topic: IETF emodir meeting Time: 7 April 2022 05:00 PM GMT Join Zoom Meeting https://ietf.zoom.us/j/3671772413?pwd=3DTCsyWnZaK3hRWFg3UmZkY2tXdlNMUT09 Meeting ID: 367 177 2413 Passcode: IETF One tap mobile +13126266799,,3671772413# US (Chicago) +16465588656,,3671772413# US (New York) Dial by your location +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago) +1 646 558 8656 US (New York) +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC) +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston) +1 720 707 2699 US (Denver) +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma) Meeting ID: 367 177 2413 Find your local number: https://ietf.zoom.us/u/kcGPVKZBq > On 31, Mar2022, at 12:46, Greg Wood wrote: >=20 > Hello! >=20 > A quick reminder about the emodir interim meeting on 7 April to = discuss the draft 2022 plan: >=20 > https://notes.ietf.org/s/wi3-HYB5g >=20 > Please take a few minutes to complete the 5-question survey by 5 April = to share your views ahead of the meeting: >=20 > https://ietf.iad1.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_74ccQiZn7M2zjeK >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > -Greg >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: IESG Secretary >> Subject: Education, Mentoring and Outreach Directorate (emodir) DIR = Virtual Meeting: 2022-04-07 >> Date: 22, March2022 at 05:48:49 EDT >> To: "IETF-Announce" >> Cc: emo-dir@ietf.org >>=20 >> Hello! >>=20 >> There will be a virtual interim meeting of the Education Mentoring = and Outreach (emodir) directorate on 7 April 2022 at 1700 UTC. 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[79.166.3.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q16-20020adff950000000b00205aa05fa03sm27569790wrr.58.2022.04.11.15.14.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 11 Apr 2022 15:14:36 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "'Salz, Rich'" , Cc: References: <006f01d7677c$13b31cb0$3b195610$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 01:14:34 +0300 Message-ID: <03d801d84df1$8737fc80$95a7f580$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03D9_01D84E0A.AC85D0C0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQMP5jKy9QpVT65xqR2xuIiHQXY16gGn8Lfrqm7VUHA= Content-Language: el Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Emo-dir] [edu-team] Educational RFCs X-BeenThere: emo-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Education, Mentoring & Outreach Directorate" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 22:14:44 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03D9_01D84E0A.AC85D0C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings, =20 Certainly, we are still working on this. Last year, it went very well, and our students were very interested in = this exercise and got a real handle on being able to read a very simple = protocol, written with the IETF format and of course using the necessary = tools (xml2rfc + ipnits, etc.). We got some pretty good results. =20 We are going to make the same exercise this year as well, so yes, we are = interested in this work. =20 Regards, Evangelos Haleplidis. =20 From: Salz, Rich =20 Sent: =CE=A4=CF=81=CE=AF=CF=84=CE=B7, 12 = =CE=91=CF=80=CF=81=CE=B9=CE=BB=CE=AF=CE=BF=CF=85 2022 00:00 To: ehalep@gmail.com; emo-dir@ietf.org Cc: arouskas@unipi.gr Subject: Re: [edu-team] Educational RFCs =20 Hi there. Resurrecting this. Sorry for the nearly-a-year without any = reply (that I saw). Are you still interested in talking about this? =20 From: "ehalep@gmail.com " > Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 11:34 AM To: "edu-team@ietf.org " > Cc: "arouskas@unipi.gr " > Subject: [edu-team] Educational RFCs =20 Greetings to the edu-team, =20 Apologies if this has already been discussed in the past. I searched the = mail archives as much as possible but couldn=E2=80=99t find anything = similar. =20 On a course on Internet Protocols at the University of Piraeus = (https://www.ds.unipi.gr/en/courses/internet-protocols-2/ = ), Professor Rouskas and I, have begun a series of = laboratory exercises where we want our students to become adept at being = able to read and implement internet protocol specification documents, = specifically from the IETF.=20 =20 With that goal in mind, we wrote a small IETF-like draft (using xml2rfc) = where we outlined a very simple protocol in detail and asked them to = read and implement it.=20 =20 That got us thinking whether it makes sense for the IETF and = specifically for the edu-team to create a series of educational RFCs = with the goal of providing material for Universities for preparing = students/future-engineers to be ready to participate in the IETF.=20 =20 We do understand that this is not the current focus of the edu-team and = the IETF in particular, but we were thinking whether it makes sense to = expand the charter to allow creating short introductory RFCs, where = attendees/students could be introduced into reading and understanding = specs at a smaller scale. =20 Regards, Evangelos Haleplidis. ------=_NextPart_000_03D9_01D84E0A.AC85D0C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Greetings,

 

Certainly, = we are still working on this.

Last = year, it went very well, and our students were very interested in this = exercise and got a real handle on being able to read a very simple = protocol, written with the IETF format and of course using the necessary = tools (xml2rfc + ipnits, etc.). We got some pretty good = results.

 

We are going to make the same exercise this year as = well, so yes, we are interested in this work.

 

Regards,

Evangelos = Haleplidis.

 

From: Salz, Rich = <rsalz@akamai.com>
Sent: = =CE=A4=CF=81=CE=AF=CF=84=CE=B7, 12 = =CE=91=CF=80=CF=81=CE=B9=CE=BB=CE=AF=CE=BF=CF=85 2022 = 00:00
To: ehalep@gmail.com; emo-dir@ietf.org
Cc: = arouskas@unipi.gr
Subject: Re: [edu-team] Educational = RFCs

 

Hi = there.  Resurrecting this.  Sorry for the nearly-a-year = without any reply (that I saw).  Are you still interested in = talking about this?

 

From: "ehalep@gmail.com" <ehalep@gmail.com>
Date: = Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 11:34 AM
To: "edu-team@ietf.org" <edu-team@ietf.org>
Cc: = "arouskas@unipi.gr" <arouskas@unipi.gr>
Subject= : [edu-team] Educational RFCs

 

Greetings to the edu-team,

 

Apologies if = this has already been discussed in the past. I searched the mail = archives as much as possible but couldn=E2=80=99t find anything = similar.

 

On a course on Internet Protocols at the University of = Piraeus (https://www.ds.unipi.gr/en/courses/internet-protoco= ls-2/), Professor Rouskas and I, have begun a series of laboratory = exercises where we want our students to become adept at being able to = read and implement internet protocol specification documents, = specifically from the IETF.

 

With that = goal in mind, we wrote a small IETF-like draft (using xml2rfc) where we = outlined a very simple protocol in detail and asked them to read and = implement it.

 

That got us = thinking whether it makes sense for the IETF and specifically for the = edu-team to create a series of educational RFCs with the goal of = providing material for Universities for preparing = students/future-engineers to be ready to participate in the IETF. =

 

We do understand that this is not the current focus of = the edu-team and the IETF in particular, but we were thinking whether it = makes sense to expand the charter to allow creating short introductory = RFCs, where attendees/students could be introduced into reading and = understanding specs at a smaller scale.

 

Regards,

Evangelos = Haleplidis.

------=_NextPart_000_03D9_01D84E0A.AC85D0C0-- From nobody Tue Apr 12 07:57:47 2022 Return-Path: X-Original-To: emo-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: emo-dir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43A693A1721 for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 07:57:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.116 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.116 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MoBqm_x2lSfx for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 07:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfx.ietf.org (unknown [4.31.198.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42FBE3A165F for ; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 07:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB4E4095307; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 07:57:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from ietfx.ietf.org ([4.31.198.45]) by localhost (ietfx.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JHMH4OLZ4xjo; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 07:57:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpclient.apple (unknown [70.18.229.17]) by ietfx.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B734D4095303; Tue, 12 Apr 2022 07:57:39 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C725C369-8CE7-42A1-9263-9FE5690F9124"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 16.0 \(3696.80.82.1.1\)) From: Greg Wood In-Reply-To: <03d801d84df1$8737fc80$95a7f580$@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:57:34 -0400 Cc: "Salz, Rich" , emo-dir@ietf.org, arouskas@unipi.gr Message-Id: <5093837D-22C6-4FF6-BA65-8AE3063B7ECB@staff.ietf.org> References: <006f01d7677c$13b31cb0$3b195610$@gmail.com> <03d801d84df1$8737fc80$95a7f580$@gmail.com> To: ehalep@gmail.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3696.80.82.1.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Emo-dir] [edu-team] Educational RFCs X-BeenThere: emo-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Education, Mentoring & Outreach Directorate" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:57:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C725C369-8CE7-42A1-9263-9FE5690F9124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hello! With many thanks to Rich for picking this up and to you for the reply, = you and your students might find a few new-since-last-year resources = interesting: https://authors.ietf.org and https://author-tools.ietf.org also, this webpage: https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/ was recently revised, including a link to this blog post, which might be = useful: https://www.ietf.org/blog/how-read-rfc/ In any case, I would be very interested in talking about this further. Regards, -Greg > On 11, Apr2022, at 18:14, wrote: >=20 > Greetings, >=20 > Certainly, we are still working on this. > Last year, it went very well, and our students were very interested in = this exercise and got a real handle on being able to read a very simple = protocol, written with the IETF format and of course using the necessary = tools (xml2rfc + ipnits, etc.). We got some pretty good results. >=20 > We are going to make the same exercise this year as well, so yes, we = are interested in this work. >=20 > Regards, > Evangelos Haleplidis. >=20 > From: Salz, Rich > Sent: =CE=A4=CF=81=CE=AF=CF=84=CE=B7, 12 =CE=91=CF=80=CF=81=CE=B9=CE=BB=CE= =AF=CE=BF=CF=85 2022 00:00 > To: ehalep@gmail.com; emo-dir@ietf.org > Cc: arouskas@unipi.gr > Subject: Re: [edu-team] Educational RFCs >=20 > Hi there. Resurrecting this. Sorry for the nearly-a-year without any = reply (that I saw). Are you still interested in talking about this? >=20 > From: "ehalep@gmail.com" > Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 11:34 AM > To: "edu-team@ietf.org" > Cc: "arouskas@unipi.gr" > Subject: [edu-team] Educational RFCs >=20 > Greetings to the edu-team, >=20 > Apologies if this has already been discussed in the past. I searched = the mail archives as much as possible but couldn=E2=80=99t find anything = similar. >=20 > On a course on Internet Protocols at the University of Piraeus = (https://www.ds.unipi.gr/en/courses/internet-protocols-2/), Professor = Rouskas and I, have begun a series of laboratory exercises where we want = our students to become adept at being able to read and implement = internet protocol specification documents, specifically from the IETF. >=20 > With that goal in mind, we wrote a small IETF-like draft (using = xml2rfc) where we outlined a very simple protocol in detail and asked = them to read and implement it. >=20 > That got us thinking whether it makes sense for the IETF and = specifically for the edu-team to create a series of educational RFCs = with the goal of providing material for Universities for preparing = students/future-engineers to be ready to participate in the IETF. >=20 > We do understand that this is not the current focus of the edu-team = and the IETF in particular, but we were thinking whether it makes sense = to expand the charter to allow creating short introductory RFCs, where = attendees/students could be introduced into reading and understanding = specs at a smaller scale. >=20 > Regards, > Evangelos Haleplidis. > _______________________________________________ > Emo-dir mailing list > Emo-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/emo-dir --Apple-Mail=_C725C369-8CE7-42A1-9263-9FE5690F9124 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; 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[79.166.12.198]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d1-20020a170906174100b006e85e9903f2sm703869eje.89.2022.04.14.07.49.23 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 14 Apr 2022 07:49:24 -0700 (PDT) From: To: "'Greg Wood'" Cc: "'Salz, Rich'" , , References: <006f01d7677c$13b31cb0$3b195610$@gmail.com> <03d801d84df1$8737fc80$95a7f580$@gmail.com> <5093837D-22C6-4FF6-BA65-8AE3063B7ECB@staff.ietf.org> In-Reply-To: <5093837D-22C6-4FF6-BA65-8AE3063B7ECB@staff.ietf.org> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 17:49:21 +0300 Message-ID: <019101d8500e$d43818c0$7ca84a40$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQMP5jKy9QpVT65xqR2xuIiHQXY16gGn8LfrAiavSg0CIjRRp6pNuG1Q Content-Language: el Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Emo-dir] [edu-team] Educational RFCs X-BeenThere: emo-dir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Education, Mentoring & Outreach Directorate" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2022 14:49:32 -0000 Greetings Greg, Thanks for your email, and I also would like to thank Rich for reviving = this thread (I should have done that in the previous email!). Thank you for your pointers, while we were aware of xml2rfc and other = tools for authoring IETF documents, we were not aware of those resources = being brought together. We are thinking of how to incorporate these = tools in our course. As per our initial email, our initial goal in this venture is to = familiarize our students with the IETF format and make them able to = read, understand and implement a small networking protocol. Keep in mind = that our target audience, for that specific course, are undergraduate = students. So, we were discussing the possibility of co-creating a couple of very = basic introductory IETF documents, published by the edu-team, with the = sole purpose of providing outreach educational material to interested = academic institutions that would like to train their students in = reading, implementing, and understanding the IETF RFC series. While this = is the second year we have integrated this work in our curriculum, it = would be more beneficial for us and our students to have simple and = basic IETF RFCs that they can work on. We do understand that the role of the edu-team of the IETF is to provide = materials for the attendees, however we're asking to see whether it may = be of interest to the community to increase the scope of the charter to = provide educational material outside of the IETF members. We would be = very interested in collaborating in such a context with both writing = documents as well as using these into our course. Regards, Evangelos. -----Original Message----- From: Greg Wood =20 Sent: =CE=A4=CF=81=CE=AF=CF=84=CE=B7, 12 = =CE=91=CF=80=CF=81=CE=B9=CE=BB=CE=AF=CE=BF=CF=85 2022 17:58 To: ehalep@gmail.com Cc: Salz, Rich ; emo-dir@ietf.org; arouskas@unipi.gr Subject: Re: [Emo-dir] [edu-team] Educational RFCs Hello! With many thanks to Rich for picking this up and to you for the reply, = you and your students might find a few new-since-last-year resources = interesting: https://authors.ietf.org and https://author-tools.ietf.org also, this webpage: https://www.ietf.org/standards/rfcs/ was recently revised, including a link to this blog post, which might be = useful: https://www.ietf.org/blog/how-read-rfc/ In any case, I would be very interested in talking about this further. Regards, -Greg > On 11, Apr2022, at 18:14, wrote: >=20 > Greetings, >=20 > Certainly, we are still working on this. > Last year, it went very well, and our students were very interested in = this exercise and got a real handle on being able to read a very simple = protocol, written with the IETF format and of course using the necessary = tools (xml2rfc + ipnits, etc.). We got some pretty good results. >=20 > We are going to make the same exercise this year as well, so yes, we = are interested in this work. >=20 > Regards, > Evangelos Haleplidis. >=20 > From: Salz, Rich > Sent: =CE=A4=CF=81=CE=AF=CF=84=CE=B7, 12 = =CE=91=CF=80=CF=81=CE=B9=CE=BB=CE=AF=CE=BF=CF=85 2022 00:00 > To: ehalep@gmail.com; emo-dir@ietf.org > Cc: arouskas@unipi.gr > Subject: Re: [edu-team] Educational RFCs >=20 > Hi there. Resurrecting this. Sorry for the nearly-a-year without any = reply (that I saw). Are you still interested in talking about this? >=20 > From: "ehalep@gmail.com" > Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2021 at 11:34 AM > To: "edu-team@ietf.org" > Cc: "arouskas@unipi.gr" > Subject: [edu-team] Educational RFCs >=20 > Greetings to the edu-team, >=20 > Apologies if this has already been discussed in the past. I searched = the mail archives as much as possible but couldn=E2=80=99t find anything = similar. >=20 > On a course on Internet Protocols at the University of Piraeus = (https://www.ds.unipi.gr/en/courses/internet-protocols-2/), Professor = Rouskas and I, have begun a series of laboratory exercises where we want = our students to become adept at being able to read and implement = internet protocol specification documents, specifically from the IETF. >=20 > With that goal in mind, we wrote a small IETF-like draft (using = xml2rfc) where we outlined a very simple protocol in detail and asked = them to read and implement it. >=20 > That got us thinking whether it makes sense for the IETF and = specifically for the edu-team to create a series of educational RFCs = with the goal of providing material for Universities for preparing = students/future-engineers to be ready to participate in the IETF. >=20 > We do understand that this is not the current focus of the edu-team = and the IETF in particular, but we were thinking whether it makes sense = to expand the charter to allow creating short introductory RFCs, where = attendees/students could be introduced into reading and understanding = specs at a smaller scale. >=20 > Regards, > Evangelos Haleplidis. > _______________________________________________ > Emo-dir mailing list > Emo-dir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/emo-dir