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<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 14 17:06:14 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA17042 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:06:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agt90-0003PQ-PL for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:05:47 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0EM5kwG013051 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:05:46 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agt8I-0003NM-20; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:05:02 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agt8C-0003Mu-Om for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:04:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA17016 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:04:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Agt8A-0005Tv-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:04:54 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Agt7B-0005SY-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:03:54 -0500 Received: from rsys001a.roke.co.uk ([193.118.192.110]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Agt6I-0005Ns-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 17:02:58 -0500 Received: by rsys001a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:02:22 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (orion.roke.co.uk [193.118.192.66]) by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id ZGD3GW0B; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:02:19 -0000 From: "Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP)" To: enum@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <51A46731-46DD-11D8-BDF3-00039355516C@roke.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 22:02:17 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Enum] Insensitivity? Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi folks, does anyone actually implement the case insensitivity flag in ENUM? I had assumed that the i at the end was a typo in the examples in RFC3403, as my eyes must have glazed over when reading section 3.2 of RFC3402 (on extended Regular Expression replacement syntax). [Warning - strong coffee/tea is needed before attempting this] I have just seen two of these "out in the wild", and wonder if anyone's client will handle them, or reject it as invalid (as ours all do at present, and a couple of other clients I've been using :(. Heads up, folks! This is another change in expected behaviour with the introduction of references to 340x in rfc2916bis - I don't think it was there in 2916. all the best, Lawrence _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 14 18:32:46 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA21470 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:32:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AguUl-0008Ba-FG for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:32:20 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0ENWJSp031462 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:32:19 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AguUT-000875-9H; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:32:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AguTY-000865-80 for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:31:04 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA21379 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:30:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AguTV-0001Tn-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:31:01 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AguSY-0001RI-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:30:02 -0500 Received: from rsys001a.roke.co.uk ([193.118.192.110]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AguS0-0001MT-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:29:29 -0500 Received: by rsys001a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:28:33 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (orion.roke.co.uk [193.118.192.66]) by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id ZGD3GXAP; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:28:28 -0000 From: "Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP)" To: dlist Cc: enum@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <196335E0-46E5-11D8-BE05-000393C94104@jobserver.org> References: <51A46731-46DD-11D8-BDF3-00039355516C@roke.co.uk> <196335E0-46E5-11D8-BE05-000393C94104@jobserver.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <5A97D80E-46E9-11D8-BDF3-00039355516C@roke.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Enum] Insensitivity? Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:28:26 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi again folks, From RFC3402, ss 32: 'Furthermore, any backref replacements MAY be normalized to lower case when the "i" flag is given'. I do so love that MAY. I agree that the substitution expression will be applied to an E.164 number (with the initial +). Thus the i flag is not really important for the ERE for the ENUM DDDS Application. However, with the sentence I've quoted, it may matter for the REPL. AFAICT, rfc2916bis does not require ENUMservice specifications to be case insensitive in the URIs they produce, so we can't just tolower() everything, as some URIs MAY be Case-Sensitive. (Look at the SIP archive for much past fun on case sensitivity vs. case insensitivity). That was not the point I was trying to make, however. Every client I've seen doesn't ignore the i flag, it barfs (currently including SER and *). Thus we have not reached standards-compliance in the clients out there, so beware. all the best, Lawrence On 14 Jan 2004, at 10:57 pm, dlist wrote: > As E164 numbers, domain names and user parts are always case > insensitive, I think any user agent should treat the regexp case > insensitive regardless of the presence of the > i flag. > > --- > Adrian Georgescu > www.ag-projects.com > > > > On 14 Jan 2004, at 23:02, Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP) wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> does anyone actually implement the case insensitivity flag in ENUM? >> >> I had assumed that the i at the end was a typo in the examples in >> RFC3403, as my eyes must have glazed over when reading section 3.2 >> of RFC3402 (on extended Regular Expression replacement syntax). >> [Warning - strong coffee/tea is needed before attempting this] >> >> I have just seen two of these "out in the wild", and wonder if >> anyone's client will handle them, or reject it as invalid (as ours >> all do at present, and a couple of other clients I've been using :(. >> >> Heads up, folks! >> >> This is another change in expected behaviour with the introduction of >> references to 340x in rfc2916bis - I don't think it was there in 2916. >> all the best, >> Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> enum mailing list >> enum@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 15 19:35:58 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA10691 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhHxS-0005oe-Sb for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:35:31 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0G0ZU4a022303 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:35:30 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhHx1-0005n8-Go; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:35:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1Agu5Y-0006pY-QD for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:06:17 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA19539 for ; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:06:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Agu5V-0000PD-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:06:14 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1Agu4i-0000Lx-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:05:24 -0500 Received: from mail.dns-hosting.info ([81.23.228.129] helo=mail1.dns-hosting.info) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1Agu4E-0000H6-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:04:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (mit.xs4all.nl [213.84.95.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail1.dns-hosting.info (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i0EN4sdO027376 for ; Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:04:54 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 00:04:53 +0100 Message-Id: <104F4216-46E6-11D8-BE05-000393C94104@jobserver.org> Cc: enum@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-To: enum@ietf.org From: dlist Resent-Message-Id: <196335E0-46E5-11D8-BE05-000393C94104@jobserver.org> Subject: Re: [Enum] Insensitivity? Resent-From: dlist Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:57:59 +0100 To: "Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) Resent-Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 18:04:55 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit As E164 numbers, domain names and user parts are always case insensitive, I think any user agent should treat the regexp case insensitive regardless of the presence of the i flag. --- Adrian Georgescu www.ag-projects.com On 14 Jan 2004, at 23:02, Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP) wrote: > Hi folks, > does anyone actually implement the case insensitivity flag in ENUM? > > I had assumed that the i at the end was a typo in the examples in > RFC3403, as my eyes must have glazed over when reading section 3.2 > of RFC3402 (on extended Regular Expression replacement syntax). > [Warning - strong coffee/tea is needed before attempting this] > > I have just seen two of these "out in the wild", and wonder if > anyone's client will handle them, or reject it as invalid (as ours > all do at present, and a couple of other clients I've been using :(. > > Heads up, folks! > > This is another change in expected behaviour with the introduction of > references to 340x in rfc2916bis - I don't think it was there in 2916. > all the best, > Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Jan 17 11:42:48 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11909 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhtWd-0000Q4-Q1 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:42:20 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0HGgJB2001560 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:42:19 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhtWL-0000Ok-Ku; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:42:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhtVU-0000OG-8r for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:41:12 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA11879 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:41:05 -0500 (EST) From: fujiwara@jprs.co.jp Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhtVT-0000Qj-00 for enum@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:41:07 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhtUX-0000On-00 for enum@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:40:09 -0500 Received: from sender2.nic.ad.jp ([61.120.151.69] helo=sender2.jprs.co.jp) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhtTn-0000L1-00 for enum@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 11:39:23 -0500 Received: from alias.jprs.co.jp (alias.jprs.co.jp [192.168.102.41]) by sender2.jprs.co.jp (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0HGU9L13789; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:30:09 +0900 Received: from unix01.jprs.co.jp (unix01.jprs.co.jp [192.168.118.11]) by alias.jprs.co.jp (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0HGcFd20672; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:38:15 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unix01.jprs.co.jp (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0HGcB518031; Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:38:11 +0900 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 01:38:10 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040118.013810.74737896.fujiwara@jprs.co.jp> To: enum@jobserver.org Cc: lwc@roke.co.uk, enum@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Enum] Insensitivity? In-Reply-To: <104F4216-46E6-11D8-BE05-000393C94104@jobserver.org> <5A97D80E-46E9-11D8-BDF3-00039355516C@roke.co.uk> References: <104F4216-46E6-11D8-BE05-000393C94104@jobserver.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.62 on Emacs 21.2.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I'm Kazunori Fujiwara, JPRS. > From: dlist > As E164 numbers, domain names and user parts are always case > insensitive, I think any user agent should treat the regexp case > insensitive regardless of the presence of the > i flag. for example, http URI is case sensitive. > From: "Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP)" > Hi again folks, > From RFC3402, ss 32: > 'Furthermore, any backref replacements MAY > be normalized to lower case when the "i" flag is given'. I read that this sentence says any backref value may be normalized to lower. but in case of ENUM, any backref value contains '+' and digits only. other replacement field may be written in lower case. So, I think 'i' flag is needless in ENUM. We need sample implementation of ENUM client library. Is there a sample implimentation? I'm writing ENUM client library in Perl. I want to discuss ENUM client and DNS, Registry implementation. -- Fujiwara, Kazunori JPRS (.JP Registry) _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Jan 17 18:01:46 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA17575 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:01:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhzRN-0005Sv-5q for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:01:17 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0HN1He8020950 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:01:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhzQU-0004vr-6y; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:00:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhzPy-0004ja-Jw for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:59:55 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA16120 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhxUM-0001VL-00 for enum@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:56:14 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhxSi-0001TF-00 for enum@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:54:33 -0500 Received: from rsys001a.roke.co.uk ([193.118.192.110]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhxRf-0001Ou-00 for enum@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:53:27 -0500 Received: by rsys001a.roke.co.uk with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:51:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (orion.roke.co.uk [193.118.192.66]) by rsys002a.roke.co.uk with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id ZGD3G5LY; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:51:55 -0000 From: "Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP)" To: dlist Cc: fujiwara@jprs.co.jp, enum@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <37CFC274-4926-11D8-B7B2-000393C94104@jobserver.org> References: <104F4216-46E6-11D8-BE05-000393C94104@jobserver.org> <20040118.013810.74737896.fujiwara@jprs.co.jp> <37CFC274-4926-11D8-B7B2-000393C94104@jobserver.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [Enum] Insensitivity? Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:51:54 +0000 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Fujiwara-san, "dlist", Folks, I agree with you. The 'i' REGEXP flag is ineffective for ENUM entries. For ENUM: (i) the Key (to which the ERE is applied) consists only of '+' and a sequence of digits, so the 'i' flag has no impact, and (ii) the optional normalisation will have no impact, as any matched part of the AUS will also consist only of '+' and/or a sequence of digits so the backrefs are not effected. (iii) Whatever else is in the REPL part is not effected, and can contain any legal characters - it will NOT be normalised to lower case regardless of the presence of an 'i' flag (at least from the perspective of RFC3402 compliance). * One could make a very good argument that, for ENUM, the i flag has no effect at all; it's pointless. * However, pointlessness does not stop some benighted folks from putting the completely redundant 'i' into ENUM NAPTRs. Whether or not there is a mechanism to find the person who put in such an ENUM entry and to slap them around the face with a wet kipper (to indicate to them that this practice has caused a number of busy programmers to change code to no useful purpose) is an topic For Future Study; IMHO, it's not the subject of IETF standardisation, except perhaps for one day in a couple of month's time. * Thus, I believe that any ENUM client implementation should IGNORE this flag, not barf as most do right now. all the best, Lawrence On 17 Jan 2004, at 7:49 pm, dlist wrote: > Yes it is, but is on the right part of the regular expression, "i" > does not apply to it. > > > On 17 Jan 2004, at 17:38, fujiwara@jprs.co.jp wrote: > >> Hello, I'm Kazunori Fujiwara, JPRS. >> >>> From: dlist >>> As E164 numbers, domain names and user parts are always case >>> insensitive, I think any user agent should treat the regexp case >>> insensitive regardless of the presence of the >>> i flag. >> >> for example, http URI is case sensitive. >> >>> From: "Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP)" >>> Hi again folks, >>> From RFC3402, ss 32: >>> 'Furthermore, any backref replacements MAY >>> be normalized to lower case when the "i" flag is given'. >> >> I read that this sentence says any backref value may be normalized to >> lower. >> but in case of ENUM, any backref value contains '+' and digits only. >> other replacement field may be written in lower case. >> So, I think 'i' flag is needless in ENUM. >> >> We need sample implementation of ENUM client library. >> Is there a sample implimentation? >> >> I'm writing ENUM client library in Perl. >> >> I want to discuss ENUM client and DNS, Registry implementation. >> >> -- >> Fujiwara, Kazunori JPRS (.JP Registry) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> enum mailing list >> enum@ietf.org >> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Sat Jan 17 18:10:06 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA18044 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:02:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhzRt-0005fR-3u for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:01:49 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0HN1nhT021731 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:01:49 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhzRE-0005Mh-4V; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:01:08 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AhzQi-00054X-UV for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:00:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA16656 for ; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:00:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhwU2-0003xl-00 for enum@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:51:50 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AhwSf-0003gT-00 for enum@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:50:25 -0500 Received: from mail.dns-hosting.info ([81.23.228.129] helo=mail1.dns-hosting.info) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AhwRX-0003VC-00 for enum@ietf.org; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:49:15 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.3] (mit.xs4all.nl [213.84.95.205]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail1.dns-hosting.info (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id i0HJnBdO025352; Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:49:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20040118.013810.74737896.fujiwara@jprs.co.jp> References: <104F4216-46E6-11D8-BE05-000393C94104@jobserver.org> <20040118.013810.74737896.fujiwara@jprs.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <37CFC274-4926-11D8-B7B2-000393C94104@jobserver.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: lwc@roke.co.uk, enum@ietf.org From: dlist Subject: Re: [Enum] Insensitivity? Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 20:49:10 +0100 To: fujiwara@jprs.co.jp X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes it is, but is on the right part of the regular expression, "i" does not apply to it. On 17 Jan 2004, at 17:38, fujiwara@jprs.co.jp wrote: > Hello, I'm Kazunori Fujiwara, JPRS. > >> From: dlist >> As E164 numbers, domain names and user parts are always case >> insensitive, I think any user agent should treat the regexp case >> insensitive regardless of the presence of the >> i flag. > > for example, http URI is case sensitive. > >> From: "Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP)" >> Hi again folks, >> From RFC3402, ss 32: >> 'Furthermore, any backref replacements MAY >> be normalized to lower case when the "i" flag is given'. > > I read that this sentence says any backref value may be normalized to > lower. > but in case of ENUM, any backref value contains '+' and digits only. > other replacement field may be written in lower case. > So, I think 'i' flag is needless in ENUM. > > We need sample implementation of ENUM client library. > Is there a sample implimentation? > > I'm writing ENUM client library in Perl. > > I want to discuss ENUM client and DNS, Registry implementation. > > -- > Fujiwara, Kazunori JPRS (.JP Registry) > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 01:21:06 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA18952 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiSm5-0003UO-Gi for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:20:38 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0J6Kb9R013413 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:20:37 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiSlX-0003TZ-12; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:20:03 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AiSkt-0003S4-9y for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:19:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA18945 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:19:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiSkq-0003Ul-00 for enum@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:19:20 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AiSjw-0003TB-00 for enum@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:18:25 -0500 Received: from argv.paf.se ([195.66.31.72] helo=paf.se) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AiSjX-0003Qm-00 for enum@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:17:59 -0500 Received: from [195.66.31.70] (account paf [195.66.31.70] verified) by paf.se (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 1383490; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:17:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: References: <104F4216-46E6-11D8-BE05-000393C94104@jobserver.org> <20040118.013810.74737896.fujiwara@jprs.co.jp> <37CFC274-4926-11D8-B7B2-000393C94104@jobserver.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v609) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <40731D77-4A47-11D8-9201-000A959CF516@cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: fujiwara@jprs.co.jp, dlist , enum@ietf.org From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Subject: Re: [Enum] Insensitivity? Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:18:09 +0100 To: "Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Note that the NAPTR regexp spec is acting on UTF-8 encoded Unicode, and "case insensitivity" is not defined for the Unicode Character set (without specification on exactly how the mapping is done). As Lawrence points out, the matching is on digits and '+' anyway, so there is nothing which really can be case sensitive or insensitive. paf On 2004-01-17, at 21.51, Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP) wrote: > Hi Fujiwara-san, "dlist", Folks, > I agree with you. The 'i' REGEXP flag is ineffective for ENUM > entries. > > For ENUM: > (i) the Key (to which the ERE is applied) consists only of '+' and a > sequence of digits, so the 'i' flag has no impact, and > (ii) the optional normalisation will have no impact, as any matched > part of the AUS will also consist only of '+' and/or a sequence of > digits so the backrefs are not effected. > (iii) Whatever else is in the REPL part is not effected, and can > contain any legal characters - it will NOT be normalised to lower case > regardless of the presence of an 'i' flag (at least from the > perspective of RFC3402 compliance). > > * One could make a very good argument that, for ENUM, the i flag has > no effect at all; it's pointless. > > * However, pointlessness does not stop some benighted folks from > putting the completely redundant 'i' into ENUM NAPTRs. > > Whether or not there is a mechanism to find the person who put in such > an ENUM entry and to slap them around the face with a wet kipper (to > indicate to them that this practice has caused a number of busy > programmers to change code to no useful purpose) is an topic For > Future Study; IMHO, it's not the subject of IETF standardisation, > except perhaps for one day in a couple of month's time. > > * Thus, I believe that any ENUM client implementation should IGNORE > this flag, not barf as most do right now. > > all the best, > Lawrence > > On 17 Jan 2004, at 7:49 pm, dlist wrote: > >> Yes it is, but is on the right part of the regular expression, "i" >> does not apply to it. >> >> >> On 17 Jan 2004, at 17:38, fujiwara@jprs.co.jp wrote: >> >>> Hello, I'm Kazunori Fujiwara, JPRS. >>> >>>> From: dlist >>>> As E164 numbers, domain names and user parts are always case >>>> insensitive, I think any user agent should treat the regexp case >>>> insensitive regardless of the presence of the >>>> i flag. >>> >>> for example, http URI is case sensitive. >>> >>>> From: "Conroy, Lawrence (SMTP)" >>>> Hi again folks, >>>> From RFC3402, ss 32: >>>> 'Furthermore, any backref replacements MAY >>>> be normalized to lower case when the "i" flag is given'. >>> >>> I read that this sentence says any backref value may be normalized >>> to lower. >>> but in case of ENUM, any backref value contains '+' and digits only. >>> other replacement field may be written in lower case. >>> So, I think 'i' flag is needless in ENUM. >>> >>> We need sample implementation of ENUM client library. >>> Is there a sample implimentation? >>> >>> I'm writing ENUM client library in Perl. >>> >>> I want to discuss ENUM client and DNS, Registry implementation. >>> >>> -- >>> Fujiwara, Kazunori JPRS (.JP Registry) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> enum mailing list >>> enum@ietf.org >>> https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum >> > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Mon Jan 19 13:45:48 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA01463 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:45:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AieOm-0003EQ-4q for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:45:20 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0JIjKSv012371 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:45:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AieOT-0003B5-N9; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:45:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AieNW-00035H-8D for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:44:02 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA01355 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AieNU-0002ez-00 for enum@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:44:00 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AieMq-0002Yo-00 for enum@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:43:20 -0500 Received: from joy.songbird.com ([208.184.79.7]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AieLP-0002NT-00 for enum@ietf.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:41:51 -0500 Received: from ibm-eyjgx9r6nqt.shockey.us (h-68-165-240-38.MCLNVA23.covad.net [68.165.240.38]) by joy.songbird.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0JImkE07022 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:48:46 -0800 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040119133728.03f6ad38@joy.songbird.com> X-Sender: richard@joy.songbird.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 13:40:22 -0500 To: enum@ietf.org From: Richard Shockey Subject: Re: [Enum] IETF Korea - Agenda items In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20040112144020.026ceec0@popd.ix.netcom.com> References: <6.0.1.1.2.20040112144020.026ceec0@popd.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , At 02:41 PM 1/12/2004, you wrote: >Its that time again .. if anyone is thinking about documents revisions or >agenda items please let us know. We have one request now from the CN-NIC folks discussing their ENUM trials in China. We will have the Jon's presence document on the table ... Larry were you thinking of formalizing your implementation issues ..in light of the discussion over case sensitivity?? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 08:23:26 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19496 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:23:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjIJt-0000UO-2Y for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:22:58 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0LDMumC001828 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:22:56 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjIIz-0000L8-6O; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:22:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjIIR-0000Jt-0B for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:21:47 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA19409 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:21:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjIIF-00044v-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:21:16 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjIDo-0003nc-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:16:41 -0500 Received: from mail.oefeg.at ([62.47.121.5]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjIBL-0003Wh-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:14:08 -0500 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:18:55 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 Message-ID: <06CF906FE3998C4E944213062009F162233A96@oefeg-s02.oefeg.loc> Thread-Topic: ETSI Workshop for ENUM Plugtests - Reminder Thread-Index: AcPcRESgjuJtshNcQxSof7if/HMkyAAAPUCAAAaWHfAAgDq2gAABHYuwAGVEInAAA0M7oAAFW7zwAAApgWA= From: "Stastny Richard" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrick_Ren=E9_Guillemin?= , Cc: , "Christian Julien" , "Philippe Cousin" , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [Enum] ETSI Workshop for ENUM Plugtests - Reminder Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear colleagues, may I remind you that ETSI will hold an Workshop for ENUM Plugtests on 24-25 February 2004 at ETSI Headquarters in Sophia Antipolis. Everybody interested in User ENUM or Infrastructure ENUM and/or involved in ENUM Trials is invited to partizipate and/or contribute. Contributors = not yet on the agenda should contact me, Patrick or Julien to get the Guidance = Note for Presenters. Note: This workshop is NOT a tutorial on ENUM, so it is assumed that the partizipants have a fairly good understanding of the basic principles on = ENUM. More Information and also the agenda for the workshop can be found at: www.etsi.org/plugtests/02UpcomingEvents/ENUMWORKSHOP.htm Via this website you also may register for the workshop (no ETSI membership required) and also find the coordinates hotel and car rental information. Richard STASTNY on behalf of=20 ETSI Plugtests - ENUM Workshop Steering Group (Chaired by Tony Holmes) _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 08:48:33 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA20633 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:48:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjIiC-0002SS-Oj for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:48:05 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0LDm4C0009412 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:48:04 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjIi8-0002RQ-QX; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:48:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjIhI-0002Oz-7q for enum@optimus.ietf.org; 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charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrick_Ren=E9_Guillemin?= , , "Christian Julien" , "Philippe Cousin" , From: Adrian Georgescu Subject: Re: [Enum] ETSI Workshop for ENUM Plugtests - Reminder Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:44:47 +0100 To: "Stastny Richard" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.609) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I would like to present our Infrastructure ENUM trial in the Netherlands. --- Adrian Georgescu CEO ag-projects.com On 21 Jan 2004, at 14:18, Stastny Richard wrote: > Dear colleagues, > > may I remind you that ETSI will hold an Workshop for ENUM Plugtests > on 24-25 February 2004 at ETSI Headquarters in Sophia Antipolis. > > Everybody interested in User ENUM or Infrastructure ENUM and/or > involved > in ENUM Trials is invited to partizipate and/or contribute. > Contributors not yet > on the agenda should contact me, Patrick or Julien to get the Guidance > Note for Presenters. > > Note: This workshop is NOT a tutorial on ENUM, so it is assumed that > the > partizipants have a fairly good understanding of the basic principles > on ENUM. > > More Information and also the agenda for the workshop can be found at: > > www.etsi.org/plugtests/02UpcomingEvents/ENUMWORKSHOP.htm > > Via this website you also may register for the workshop > (no ETSI membership required) and also find the coordinates > hotel and car rental information. > > > Richard STASTNY on behalf of > ETSI Plugtests - ENUM Workshop Steering Group (Chaired by Tony Holmes) > > _______________________________________________ > enum mailing list > enum@ietf.org > https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum > _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 09:14:36 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA21908 for ; 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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:10:39 +0100 From: Jaap Akkerhuis X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , I would like to present our Infrastructure ENUM trial in the Netherlands. --- Adrian Georgescu CEO ag-projects.com Interesting, as far as I know there is no EMUN trial in the Netherlandws. jaap _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 09:38:48 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23492 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJUl-0006Tp-4g for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:38:20 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0LEcEXB024858 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:38:14 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJUX-0006Le-KI; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:38:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJTl-00065z-6J for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:37:13 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23243 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJTj-00011j-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:37:11 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJSp-0000wX-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:36:16 -0500 Received: from gromit.rfc1035.com ([195.54.233.67]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJS3-0000ro-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:35:27 -0500 Received: from gromit.rfc1035.com (gromit.rfc1035.com [195.54.233.67]) by gromit.rfc1035.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0LEZJt5002557; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:35:19 GMT To: Jaap Akkerhuis cc: Adrian Georgescu , Richard.Stastny@oefeg.at, enum@ietf.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrick_Ren=E9_Guillemin?= , marco.bernardi@neustar.com, christian.julien@etsi.org, Philippe.Cousin@etsi.org, tony.ar.holmes@bt.com Subject: Re: [Enum] ETSI Workshop for ENUM Plugtests - Reminder In-Reply-To: Message from Jaap Akkerhuis of "Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:10:39 +0100." <200401211410.i0LEAdrP003492@bartok.sidn.nl> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:35:19 +0000 Message-ID: <2555.1074695719@gromit.rfc1035.com> From: Jim Reid X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >>>>> "Jaap" == Jaap Akkerhuis writes: Adrian> I would like to present our Infrastructure ENUM trial in Adrian> the Netherlands. Jaap> Interesting, as far as I know there is no EMUN trial in the Jaap> Netherlandws. Well maybe Adrian will say more about this at the ENUM BoF at the RIPE meeting next week? He will be giving a presentation there. _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 21 09:43:29 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23911 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:43:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJZN-0006zT-UA for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:43:01 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0LEh10l026841 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:43:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJZM-0006yX-UN; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:43:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjJYm-0006vH-81 for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:42:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA23866 for ; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJYY-0001jF-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:42:10 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJXb-0001dV-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:41:12 -0500 Received: from bartok.sidn.nl ([193.176.144.164]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjJWP-0001L6-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 09:39:58 -0500 Received: from bartok.sidn.nl (localhost.sidn.nl [127.0.0.1]) by bartok.sidn.nl (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id i0LEdArP003617; Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:39:11 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jaap@bartok.sidn.nl) Message-Id: <200401211439.i0LEdArP003617@bartok.sidn.nl> To: Jim Reid cc: Adrian Georgescu , Richard.Stastny@oefeg.at, enum@ietf.org, =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrick_Ren=E9_Guillemin?= , marco.bernardi@neustar.com, christian.julien@etsi.org, Philippe.Cousin@etsi.org, tony.ar.holmes@bt.com Subject: Re: [Enum] ETSI Workshop for ENUM Plugtests - Reminder In-reply-to: Your message of Wed, 21 Jan 2004 14:35:19 +0000. <2555.1074695719@gromit.rfc1035.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 15:39:10 +0100 From: Jaap Akkerhuis X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , >>>>> "Jaap" == Jaap Akkerhuis writes: Adrian> I would like to present our Infrastructure ENUM trial in Adrian> the Netherlands. Jaap> Interesting, as far as I know there is no EMUN trial in the Jaap> Netherlandws. Well maybe Adrian will say more about this at the ENUM BoF at the RIPE meeting next week? He will be giving a presentation there. I'm afraid he is not on the agenda. jaap _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 22 05:47:55 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA16263 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjcMy-0000Xt-Cc for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:47:29 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0MAlSa5002047 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:47:28 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjcMX-0000WV-M5; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:47:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AjcMK-0000Vx-LQ for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:46:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA16257 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:46:44 -0500 (EST) From: fujiwara@jprs.co.jp Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjcMH-00034f-00 for enum@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:46:45 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AjcLI-00033h-00 for enum@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:45:44 -0500 Received: from sender2.nic.ad.jp ([61.120.151.69] helo=sender2.jprs.co.jp) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AjcKd-00031A-00 for enum@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 05:45:03 -0500 Received: from alias.jprs.co.jp (alias.jprs.co.jp [192.168.102.41]) by sender2.jprs.co.jp (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0MAZ2L29092 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:35:02 +0900 Received: from unix01.jprs.co.jp (unix01.jprs.co.jp [192.168.118.11]) by alias.jprs.co.jp (8.11.7p1+Sun/8.11.7) with ESMTP id i0MAiK315152 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:44:20 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by unix01.jprs.co.jp (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0MAiK504729 for ; Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:44:20 +0900 Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 19:44:20 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20040122.194420.23025076.fujiwara@jprs.co.jp> To: enum@ietf.org X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.64 on Emacs 21.2.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Enum] rfc2916bis 2.5 ENUM Resolver Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm confused about rfc2916bis section 2.5 Enum Resolver. I have some questions. 1. plural URIs (same service) in one ENUM entry May I register three URIs (same service) in one number ? Can callers fallback to the live URI? It seems to be NO in rfc2916bis section 2.5. for example, I want to write three NAPTR RRs in one number and I want that callers call office and home and vacation URIs in priority order until I answer. sip:fujiwara-office@example.jp first priority sip:fujiwara-home@example.com second priority sip:fujiwara-vacation@example.org third priority 2. Multi-function ENUM client behavior Some client has plural functions like e-mail, web-browser, and telephone. (many japanese mobile phone can handle mailto:, http:, tel: URIs.) and we can write plural entries in ENUM DNS. email:mailto mailto:name@domain web:http http://domain tel tel:+telno When the caller want to contact the callee via telephone, SIP or email. may ENUM resolver check ENUM entry with plural enumservice like tel or sip or email:mailto? can ENUM resolver show plural choices ? regards, -- Fujiwara, Kazunori JPRS _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 28 00:33:58 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA17127 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:33:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AliKR-0008PF-DJ for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:33:32 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0S5XVh9032307 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:33:31 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AliJw-0008OV-JT; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:33:00 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AliJI-0008OK-FR for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:32:20 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA17099 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:32:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AliJF-0000eE-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:32:18 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AliII-0000aQ-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:31:18 -0500 Received: from sentosa.post1.com ([202.27.17.100]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AliHj-0000V2-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:30:43 -0500 Received: (qmail 31121 invoked from network); 28 Jan 2004 05:50:52 -0000 Received: from icsf.ida.gov.sg (HELO pobox.org.sg) (210.24.193.10) by sentosa.post1.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2004 05:50:52 -0000 Message-ID: <401748D9.3030405@pobox.org.sg> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:30:01 +0800 From: James Seng User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.6) Gecko/20040113 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh-cn, zh-tw, ja, ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: enum-trials@ripe.net, enum@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Enum] ENUM/SIP BoF @ APRICOT 2004 Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI. --- CUT HERE --- Introduction Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) is an application-layer control protocol that can be used to establish, maintain, and terminate (IP telephony) calls between two or more endpoints. It is developed by the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) for multimedia conferencing over IP RFC 2543. SIP endpoints are identified by an sip address in the form of sip:jseng@sip.tech.org.sg. Electronic Numbering or ENUM is a protocol that transform a telephone numbers into a format for storing and retrieving Internet addressing information. It uses Internet domain name system (DNS) to resolve telephone numbers to network resources. For example, +65 6411 1040 wil be transform into 0.4.0.1.1.1.4.6.5.6.e164.arpa which will be resolve into sip:jseng@sip.tech.org.sg. With ENUM, you are able to use a numeric telephone number to establish SIP (or H.323) voice call instead. Beside IP Telephony, other uses of ENUM includes unified messaging where user can reach multiple point of contacts (phone, fax, homepage, emails) via a single number. ENUM/SIP BoF gathers people from the region who are deploying ENUM (and SIP) * to share information and experiences; * to discuss common problems and solutions; * to find areas of collobrations; Date : 25th Feb 2004 (Wednesday) Time : 6pm to 9pm Venue : [APRICOT 2004, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia] Room : TBD Scribe : Ching Chiao Agenda 1800-1805 Agenda bashing (5mins) 1805-1810 Welcome and Introduction (5mins) Presentations (15mins each) 1810-1825 CNNIC's status update on ENUM, CNNIC, Lee Xiaodong 1825-1840 ENUM activities in Japan, JPNIC, Hiro Hotta/Yoshiro Yoneya 1840-1855 , KRNIC, Sungwoo Shin 1855-1910 SIP/ENUM development in Taiwan, TWNIC, Ching Chiao 1910-1925 Status of ENUM/SIP deployment in Singapore, IDA (Singapore), Dickson Loh 1925-2100 Open Discussion * "Asian ENUM Cooperation Body/Committee? or regular meeting" proposed by Sungwoo Shin * "e164.arpa delegation issues" proposed by James Seng _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Wed Jan 28 14:28:52 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA22087 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:28:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AlvMO-0000d3-Kl for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:28:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0SJSOq2002367 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:28:24 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AlvM1-0000YE-5R; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:28:01 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AlvLw-0000W9-I3 for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:27:56 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA22035 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AlvLt-0000Hi-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:27:53 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AlvKz-0000B7-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:26:58 -0500 Received: from joy.songbird.com ([208.184.79.7]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AlvKV-000032-00 for enum@ietf.org; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:26:27 -0500 Received: from ibm-eyjgx9r6nqt.shockey.us (h-68-165-240-38.MCLNVA23.covad.net [68.165.240.38]) by joy.songbird.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i0SJY0d15349 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:34:01 -0800 Message-Id: <6.0.1.1.2.20040128141913.04295ec0@joy.songbird.com> X-Sender: richard@joy.songbird.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.1.1 Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:25:47 -0500 To: enum@ietf.org From: Richard Shockey Subject: Re: [Enum] IETF Korea - Agenda items - Continued Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.60 Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , We have a requests now from 1. CN-NIC folks discussing their ENUM trials in China 2. JP-NIC discussing ENUM in Japan ETJP(Enum Trial Japan) web page is http://etjp.jp/english/ 3. I'm assuming our Korean Hosts will want to update us on their progress... 4. We will have the Jon's presence document on the table ... A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-enum-pres-00.txt I'm still looking for agenda items... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum From exim@www1.ietf.org Thu Jan 29 12:27:17 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org ([132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02887 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:27:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AmFwD-0006re-4R for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:26:50 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id i0THQjpd026385 for enum-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:26:45 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AmFu2-0005ej-Oy; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:24:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AmFUu-0003zL-Sn for enum@optimus.ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:58:32 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA01379 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AmFUt-0000kv-00 for enum@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:58:31 -0500 Received: from exim by ietf-mx with spam-scanned (Exim 4.12) id 1AmFTv-0000cW-00 for enum@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:57:32 -0500 Received: from mail.oefeg.at ([62.47.121.5]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AmFT8-0000Pq-00 for enum@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:56:43 -0500 Subject: RE: [Enum] IETF Korea - Agenda items - Continued Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:01:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <06CF906FE3998C4E944213062009F162233ABF@oefeg-s02.oefeg.loc> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message Thread-Topic: [Enum] IETF Korea - Agenda items - Continued Thread-Index: AcPl1b3iowlB1U37SdqMfcYEHxrnbQAsaVDA From: "Stastny Richard" To: "Richard Shockey" , X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on ietf-mx.ietf.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BIZ_TLD autolearn=no version=2.60 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: enum-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: enum-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: enum@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Enum Discussion List List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Rich, I could offer you short reports on the following topics: 1. Plans to close the trial and go commercial in Austria with ENUM and the ENUM-only number range (+43780) 2. A report on the results of the ETSI ENUM Plugtest Workshop taking place one week before IETF (if there are any ;-). Since our AsiaPacific colleagues cannot participate because of the APRICOT ENUM BoF taking place at the same time, they may be interested. I in turn would be interested to hear about the ENUM BoF. 3. Michael could also give a short overview on the large AT43 VoIP and ENUM Trial of the University of Vienna, which is in operation since December. regards Richard > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Shockey [mailto:richard@shockey.us]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 8:26 PM > To: enum@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Enum] IETF Korea - Agenda items - Continued >=20 > We have a requests now from >=20 > 1. CN-NIC folks discussing their ENUM trials in China >=20 > 2. JP-NIC discussing ENUM in Japan > ETJP(Enum Trial Japan) web page is http://etjp.jp/english/ >=20 > 3. I'm assuming our Korean Hosts will want to update us on their=20 > progress... >=20 > 4. We will have the Jon's presence document on the table ... >=20 > A URL for this Internet-Draft is:=20 > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-enum-pres-00.tx t I'm still looking for agenda items... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Richard Shockey, Senior Manager, Strategic Technology Initiatives NeuStar Inc. 46000 Center Oak Plaza - Sterling, VA 20166 sip:rshockey(at)iptel.org ENUM +87810-13313-31331 PSTN Office +1 571.434.5651 PSTN Mobile: +1 703.593.2683, Fax: +1 815.333.1237 or ; <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum _______________________________________________ enum mailing list enum@ietf.org https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/enum