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Tue, 1 Sep 2020 11:34:29 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: <3AC3C075-2CA3-4DDC-BEE8-C3C4B179A61B@vmware.com> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 11:34:29 +0200 Cc: "jsonpath@ietf.org" , Tim Bray , Daniel P X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 620645669.29506-35771fddef47c3dda6dc01c59e568ef9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <22C87C6B-F7FB-4074-8EEF-118AA28AB61B@tzi.org> <3AC3C075-2CA3-4DDC-BEE8-C3C4B179A61B@vmware.com> To: Glyn Normington X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 09:34:39 -0000 On 2020-09-01, at 11:01, Glyn Normington wrote: >=20 > What are the next steps on the JSONPath draft charter? We are indeed still waiting for a draft from Tim. =20 Should come this week, and then we can shape it here in the mailing = list. 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I will post something this week. [Off to educate myself how to create/post a draft charter.] On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 2:01 AM Glyn Normington wrote: > What are the next steps on the JSONPath draft charter? > > Tim: are you still up for creating a first draft and, if so, when?. This > would be very helpful for those of us unfamiliar with such things. > > Regards, > Glyn > > > On 11 Aug 2020, at 23:20, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > On 2020-08-12, at 00:12, Tim Bray wrote: > >> > >> Is there a draft charter? > > > > Not yet. I thought we might have a little bit of discussion to find ou= t > where the different point of views might be lying. > > > >> I don't recall seeing one go by but maybe I missed it. If not, I can > make a first draft. > > > > That would be great! > > > > Since github organizations are cheap, I created one, with a repository > that you could use: > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithu= b.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40vmware.com= %7C69eafdbfeb7a4dec694208d83e44d677%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%= 7C0%7C637327812690554976&sdata=3Dl0CUyDcFpI5fVXkSUQwgoMx8%2FbIyIX60rvPq= aW2aUrw%3D&reserved=3D0 > > > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > > > -- > > Jsonpath mailing list > > Jsonpath@ietf.org > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.i= etf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fjsonpath&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40= vmware.com%7C69eafdbfeb7a4dec694208d83e44d677%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9d= d62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637327812690554976&sdata=3DKDosq4s5Dr58xPwYevCzOoYbe6p8= wLCWfDA8Tfx9PIE%3D&reserved=3D0 > > --0000000000002be5fc05ae442acd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sto= ry, stuck on my desk.=C2=A0 I will post something this week. =C2=A0[Off to = educate myself how to create/post a draft charter.]

On Tue, Sep 1, 202= 0 at 2:01 AM Glyn Normington <= normingtong@vmware.com> wrote:
What are th= e next steps on the JSONPath draft charter?

Tim: are you still up for creating a first draft and, if so, when?. This wo= uld be very helpful for those of us unfamiliar with such things.

Regards,
Glyn

> On 11 Aug 2020, at 23:20, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>
> On 2020-08-12, at 00:12, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a draft charter?=C2=A0
>
> Not yet.=C2=A0 I thought we might have a little bit of discussion to f= ind out where the different point of views might be lying.
>
>> I don't recall seeing one go by but maybe I missed it.=C2=A0 I= f not, I can make a first draft.
>
> That would be great!
>
> Since github organizations are cheap, I created one, with a repository= that you could use:
>
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp= s%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormi= ngtong%40vmware.com%7C69eafdbfeb7a4dec694208d83e44d677%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4= d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637327812690554976&amp;sdata=3Dl0CUyDcFpI5fVXk= SUQwgoMx8%2FbIyIX60rvPqaW2aUrw%3D&amp;reserved=3D0
>
> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>
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I suppose the IETF has a charter-creation tool but I didn't turn it up in a brief search. Anyhow, this should be enough to kick off discussion: =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Document Charter JSONPath WG (jsonpath) Title JSONpath Last updated 2020-09-01 State draft WG State Nonexistent IESG Responsible AD: Kucherawy/Leiba Charter Edit AD: Send notices to: (None) Charter charter-ietf-jsonpath-00 JSONPath is a syntax, originally based on the XML "XPath" design, which selects fields and values from a JSON document. It is used in a variety of applications which rely on JSON message formats. JSONPath was originally described by Stefan Goessner [1] but has never had an official specification of any kind, and implementations, while mostly compatible, differ in certain behaviors. The WG will work to develop a JSONPath specification, with the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of existing implementations and, where there are differences, choosing semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption among JSONPath users. [1] https://goessner.net/articles/JsonPath/ On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 2:01 AM Glyn Normington wrote: > What are the next steps on the JSONPath draft charter? > > Tim: are you still up for creating a first draft and, if so, when?. This > would be very helpful for those of us unfamiliar with such things. > > Regards, > Glyn > > > On 11 Aug 2020, at 23:20, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > On 2020-08-12, at 00:12, Tim Bray wrote: > >> > >> Is there a draft charter? > > > > Not yet. I thought we might have a little bit of discussion to find ou= t > where the different point of views might be lying. > > > >> I don't recall seeing one go by but maybe I missed it. If not, I can > make a first draft. > > > > That would be great! > > > > Since github organizations are cheap, I created one, with a repository > that you could use: > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithu= b.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40vmware.com= %7C69eafdbfeb7a4dec694208d83e44d677%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%= 7C0%7C637327812690554976&sdata=3Dl0CUyDcFpI5fVXkSUQwgoMx8%2FbIyIX60rvPq= aW2aUrw%3D&reserved=3D0 > > > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > > > -- > > Jsonpath mailing list > > Jsonpath@ietf.org > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.i= etf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fjsonpath&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40= vmware.com%7C69eafdbfeb7a4dec694208d83e44d677%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9d= d62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637327812690554976&sdata=3DKDosq4s5Dr58xPwYevCzOoYbe6p8= wLCWfDA8Tfx9PIE%3D&reserved=3D0 > > --000000000000d7730505ae446495 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Here is a draft charter in space-formatted plain-text. I supp= ose the IETF has a charter-creation tool but I didn't turn it up in a b= rief search.=C2=A0 Anyhow,=C2=A0
this should be enough to kick off discussion:
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Document =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0Charter =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 JSONPath WG (jsonpath)<= /div>
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 L= ast updated = =C2=A0 2020-09-01
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WG =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0State =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Nonexistent=

IESG =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Responsible AD: =C2=A0Kucherawy/Leiba
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Chart= er

charter-ie= tf-jsonpath-00

JSONPath is a syntax, originally based on the XML "XPath" desig= n,
which = selects fields and values from a JSON document.=C2=A0 It is
used in a variety of app= lications which rely on JSON message
formats.

<= font face=3D"monospace">JSONPath was originally described by Stefan Goessne= r [1] but has
never had an official specification of any kind, and
implementations, while mos= tly compatible, differ in certain
= behaviors.

The WG will work to develop a JSONPath specification= , with the
primary goal of capturing the common semantics of existing
implementations and, wh= ere there are differences, choosing
semantics with the goal of causing the least dis= ruption among
JSONPath users.

[1] https://goe= ssner.net/articles/JsonPath/


On = Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 2:01 AM Glyn Normington <normingtong@vmware.com> wrote:
What are the next steps on the JSONPath draft charter?

Tim: are you still up for creating a first draft and, if so, when?. This wo= uld be very helpful for those of us unfamiliar with such things.

Regards,
Glyn

> On 11 Aug 2020, at 23:20, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>
> On 2020-08-12, at 00:12, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a draft charter?=C2=A0
>
> Not yet.=C2=A0 I thought we might have a little bit of discussion to f= ind out where the different point of views might be lying.
>
>> I don't recall seeing one go by but maybe I missed it.=C2=A0 I= f not, I can make a first draft.
>
> That would be great!
>
> Since github organizations are cheap, I created one, with a repository= that you could use:
>
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttp= s%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormi= ngtong%40vmware.com%7C69eafdbfeb7a4dec694208d83e44d677%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4= d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637327812690554976&amp;sdata=3Dl0CUyDcFpI5fVXk= SUQwgoMx8%2FbIyIX60rvPqaW2aUrw%3D&amp;reserved=3D0
>
> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>
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[24.154.119.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h7sm955855ilo.51.2020.09.01.11.56.15 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 Sep 2020 11:56:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Rosen Message-Id: <3C38DCDC-3F9F-49D8-8208-8366FEA05F2A@brianrosen.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_00FCFE26-F4DA-4501-8BAA-D05218F60F53" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 14:56:14 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: Glyn Normington , "jsonpath@ietf.org" , Carsten Bormann , Daniel P To: Tim Bray References: <22C87C6B-F7FB-4074-8EEF-118AA28AB61B@tzi.org> <3AC3C075-2CA3-4DDC-BEE8-C3C4B179A61B@vmware.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Sep 2020 18:56:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_00FCFE26-F4DA-4501-8BAA-D05218F60F53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Maybe add =E2=80=9Cstandards-track=E2=80=9D after =E2=80=9CThe WG will = work to develop a=E2=80=9D, so it=E2=80=99s clear we are doing a PS doc = and not an informational. Also maybe delete =E2=80=9Cwork to=E2=80=9D = so it=E2=80=99s not =E2=80=9CThe working group will work to=E2=80=9D Brian > On Sep 1, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Tim Bray wrote: >=20 > Here is a draft charter in space-formatted plain-text. I suppose the = IETF has a charter-creation tool but I didn't turn it up in a brief = search. Anyhow,=20 > this should be enough to kick off discussion: > = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Document Charter JSONPath WG (jsonpath) > Title JSONpath > Last updated 2020-09-01 > State draft >=20 > WG State Nonexistent >=20 > IESG Responsible AD: Kucherawy/Leiba > Charter Edit AD: > Send notices to: (None)=20 > Charter >=20 > charter-ietf-jsonpath-00 >=20 > JSONPath is a syntax, originally based on the XML "XPath" design, > which selects fields and values from a JSON document. It is > used in a variety of applications which rely on JSON message > formats. >=20 > JSONPath was originally described by Stefan Goessner [1] but has > never had an official specification of any kind, and > implementations, while mostly compatible, differ in certain > behaviors. >=20 > The WG will work to develop a JSONPath specification, with the > primary goal of capturing the common semantics of existing > implementations and, where there are differences, choosing > semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption among > JSONPath users. >=20 > [1] https://goessner.net/articles/JsonPath/ = >=20 >=20 > On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 2:01 AM Glyn Normington > wrote: > What are the next steps on the JSONPath draft charter? >=20 > Tim: are you still up for creating a first draft and, if so, when?. = This would be very helpful for those of us unfamiliar with such things. >=20 > Regards, > Glyn >=20 > > On 11 Aug 2020, at 23:20, Carsten Bormann > wrote: > >=20 > > On 2020-08-12, at 00:12, Tim Bray > wrote: > >>=20 > >> Is there a draft charter? =20 > >=20 > > Not yet. I thought we might have a little bit of discussion to find = out where the different point of views might be lying. > >=20 > >> I don't recall seeing one go by but maybe I missed it. If not, I = can make a first draft. > >=20 > > That would be great! > >=20 > > Since github organizations are cheap, I created one, with a = repository that you could use: > >=20 > > = https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub= .com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40vmware.com= %7C69eafdbfeb7a4dec694208d83e44d677%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0= %7C0%7C637327812690554976&sdata=3Dl0CUyDcFpI5fVXkSUQwgoMx8%2FbIyIX60rv= PqaW2aUrw%3D&reserved=3D0 = > >=20 > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > >=20 > > --=20 > > Jsonpath mailing list > > Jsonpath@ietf.org > > = https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ie= tf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fjsonpath&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40= vmware.com%7C69eafdbfeb7a4dec694208d83e44d677%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9= dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637327812690554976&sdata=3DKDosq4s5Dr58xPwYevCzOoYbe6= p8wLCWfDA8Tfx9PIE%3D&reserved=3D0 = >=20 > --=20 > Jsonpath mailing list > Jsonpath@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath --Apple-Mail=_00FCFE26-F4DA-4501-8BAA-D05218F60F53 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Maybe= add =E2=80=9Cstandards-track=E2=80=9D after =E2=80=9CThe WG will work = to develop a=E2=80=9D, so it=E2=80=99s clear we are doing a PS doc and = not an informational.  Also maybe delete =E2=80=9Cwork to=E2=80=9D = so it=E2=80=99s not =E2=80=9CThe working group will work to=E2=80=9D

Brian

On Sep 1, 2020, at 2:07 PM, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:

Here is a draft charter in space-formatted = plain-text. I suppose the IETF has a charter-creation tool but I didn't = turn it up in a brief search.  Anyhow, 
this should be enough = to kick off discussion:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Document =          Charter       =   JSONPath WG (jsonpath)
  =                 Title   =         JSONpath
  =                 Last updated = =   2020-09-01
            =       State         =   draft

WG   =              State     =       = Nonexistent

IESG   =            Responsible AD: =  Kucherawy/Leiba
            =       Charter Edit AD:
  =                 Send notices to: = (None) 
Charter

charter-ietf-jsonpath-00

JSONPath is a syntax, originally based on = the XML "XPath" design,
which selects fields and values from a = JSON document.  It is
used in a variety of applications which = rely on JSON message
formats.

JSONPath was originally described by = Stefan Goessner [1] but has
never had an official specification of = any kind, and
implementations, while mostly compatible, = differ in certain
behaviors.

The WG will work to develop a JSONPath = specification, with the
primary goal of capturing the common = semantics of existing
implementations and, where there are = differences, choosing
semantics with the goal of causing the = least disruption among
JSONPath users.

[1] https://goessner.net/articles/JsonPath/


On Tue, Sep = 1, 2020 at 2:01 AM Glyn Normington <normingtong@vmware.com> wrote:
What are the next steps on the JSONPath = draft charter?

Tim: are you still up for creating a first draft and, if so, when?. This = would be very helpful for those of us unfamiliar with such things.

Regards,
Glyn

> On 11 Aug 2020, at 23:20, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>
> On 2020-08-12, at 00:12, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:
>>
>> Is there a draft charter? 
>
> Not yet.  I thought we might have a little bit of discussion = to find out where the different point of views might be lying.
>
>> I don't recall seeing one go by but maybe I missed it.  If = not, I can make a first draft.
>
> That would be great!
>
> Since github organizations are cheap, I created one, with a = repository that you could use:
>
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%= 2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingto= ng%40vmware.com%7C69eafdbfeb7a4dec694208d83e44d677%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6c= d83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637327812690554976&amp;sdata=3Dl0CUyDcFpI5fVXkSU= QwgoMx8%2FbIyIX60rvPqaW2aUrw%3D&amp;reserved=3D0
>
> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>
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On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 11:07 AM Tim Bray = <tbray@textuality.com> wr= ote:
I suppose the IETF has a charter-creation tool but I didn't turn = it up in a brief search.=C2=A0

=
I am an IETF charter-creation tool.

(Wh= en we come to consensus on draft text, I stick it in the datatracker and pu= sh some magic buttons to get things rolling.)

-MSK, ART A= D
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On Tue, Sep 1, 2020 at 11:07 AM Tim Bray = <tbray@textuality.com> wr= ote:
= JSONPath is a syntax, originally based on the XML "XPath" design,=
which s= elects fields and values from a JSON document.=C2=A0 It is
used in a variety of applications which rely on J= SON message
formats.
=

JSONPath was originally described by Stefan Goessner [1] but has
never had an official specification of an= y kind, and
implementations, whil= e mostly compatible, differ in certain
behaviors.

The WG will work to develop a JSONPath speci= fication, with the
primary goal o= f capturing the common semantics of existing
implementations and, where there are differences, choosing
semantics with the goal of causing th= e least disruption among
JSONPath= users.

I an= ticipate being asked "Why is JSON Pointer not sufficient?"=C2=A0 = Indeed its abstract says:

   JSON Pointer defines a string syntax for identifying a specific val=
ue
   within a JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) document.

...which sounds awfully similar.=C2=A0 If we coul= d include a sentence about that, or a link to an answer, that might be help= ful.

-MSK
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Kucherawy" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 07:40:02 -0000 On 2020-09-02, at 06:45, Murray S. Kucherawy = wrote: >=20 > I anticipate being asked "Why is JSON Pointer not sufficient?" Indeed = its abstract says: I=E2=80=99m trying to answer this on the slide at https://youtu.be/Ujch6Wukjc0?t=3D48 The short answer is that JSON pointer is good if you already know the = structure of the JSON data item you want to point into, and you want to = point to exactly one position in there. If you need to do something = that is closer to a =E2=80=9Csearch=E2=80=9D (which might also result in = multiple positions), JSONPath gives you more rope. 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Kucherawy" , "jsonpath@ietf.org" , Tim Bray X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 620732231.55644-c1c54d04c22c58ec8f495851c8388525 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <22C87C6B-F7FB-4074-8EEF-118AA28AB61B@tzi.org> <3AC3C075-2CA3-4DDC-BEE8-C3C4B179A61B@vmware.com> <2498CFE1-D301-4238-AD9E-926817C4D7E5@tzi.org> To: Glyn Normington X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 09:37:16 -0000 On 2020-09-02, at 11:29, Glyn Normington wrote: >=20 > I=E2=80=99m happy to submit a PR for either of the above, but I = hesitate because I don=E2=80=99t know how much detail charters typically = include. Hi Glyn, A charter is a =E2=80=9Ccontract=E2=80=9D between IESG and WG, which = gives the WG a certain portfolio, but doesn=E2=80=99t need to spell out = all the background and all the work. It is used by the WG chairs to reign in possible mission creep (and = failing that, by the responsible AD), so that=E2=80=99s why we usually = want to have a well-defined scope. =20 I=E2=80=99d say: Saying that we do JSONPath already says that we are not = doing JMESPath. A little more background (3 words saying there are 40+ implementations, = and how JSONPath differs from [is a superset of] RFC 6901 JSON Pointers) = wouldn=E2=80=99t hurt, but we don=E2=80=99t want to expand that too = much. Please be bold [1], and send in your PR! 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I merged it, but reworded the second commit so it occurs before the = paragraph describing the WG=E2=80=99s work. https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/blob/master/charter.txt Comments? 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Wed, 02 Sep 2020 08:39:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <22C87C6B-F7FB-4074-8EEF-118AA28AB61B@tzi.org> <3AC3C075-2CA3-4DDC-BEE8-C3C4B179A61B@vmware.com> <2498CFE1-D301-4238-AD9E-926817C4D7E5@tzi.org> <193BACC1-9D5F-4987-BA4E-3AFF9632D995@vmware.com> <9ACF3893-A7F1-4DD3-910C-92362BA652A5@tzi.org> <99DAB3E2-4359-47B5-98C7-25D1BC2B7E55@vmware.com> In-Reply-To: <99DAB3E2-4359-47B5-98C7-25D1BC2B7E55@vmware.com> From: Tim Bray Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 08:39:10 -0700 Message-ID: To: Glyn Normington Cc: Carsten Bormann , "jsonpath@ietf.org" , "Murray S. Kucherawy" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000878e2105ae5670a7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 15:39:54 -0000 --000000000000878e2105ae5670a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We're maybe overthinking this. Yes, JSONPointer and JMESpath exist, but lots of people are using JSONPath, there's good software support but no spec, so it would be beneficial to write a spec. What's the alternative, everyone now using JSONPath rewrites their software because the alternative has a spec? Anyhow, thanks for setting up the repo. On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 3:21 AM Glyn Normington wrote: > LGTM, thanks. > > > On 2 Sep 2020, at 11:20, Carsten Bormann wrote: > > > > On 2020-09-02, at 11:57, Glyn Normington wrote= : > >> > >> Done: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithu= b.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter%2Fpull%2F1&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%4= 0vmware.com%7C0ba01ad7ca1b4ff026c908d84f29ce38%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9= dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637346388265914812&sdata=3DuTpyx4CwvTfe%2BBStFlOwh4asI= V7n81jFrPFCl2nnZsg%3D&reserved=3D0. > Feel free to omit the second commit if it doesn=E2=80=99t really help. > > > > I merged it, but reworded the second commit so it occurs before the > paragraph describing the WG=E2=80=99s work. > > > > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithu= b.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fcharter.txt&data=3D02%7= C01%7Cnormingtong%40vmware.com%7C0ba01ad7ca1b4ff026c908d84f29ce38%7Cb39138c= a3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637346388265914812&sdata=3DQQxo0Vi6= QH1S4t0giV73%2Fk%2BY0JdCYEmb0CcV1lZ6xAc%3D&reserved=3D0 > > > > Comments? > > > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > > > > > --000000000000878e2105ae5670a7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We&= #39;re maybe overthinking=C2=A0this. Yes, JSONPointer and JMESpath exist, b= ut lots of people are using JSONPath, there's good software support but= no spec, so it would be beneficial to write a spec. What's the alterna= tive, everyone now using JSONPath rewrites their software because the alter= native has a spec?

Anyhow= , thanks for setting up the repo.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 3:21 AM Glyn = Normington <normingtong@vmware= .com> wrote:
LGTM, thanks.

> On 2 Sep 2020, at 11:20, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
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> On 2020-09-02, at 11:57, Glyn Normington <normingtong@vmware.com> wrote: >>
>> Done: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.ou= tlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter%2Fpull%2F= 1&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40vmware.com%7C0ba01ad7ca1b4ff026c90= 8d84f29ce38%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637346388265914812= &amp;sdata=3DuTpyx4CwvTfe%2BBStFlOwh4asIV7n81jFrPFCl2nnZsg%3D&amp;r= eserved=3D0. Feel free to omit the second commit if it doesn=E2=80=99t = really help.
>
> I merged it, but reworded the second commit so it occurs before the pa= ragraph describing the WG=E2=80=99s work.
>
> https://nam04.safelinks.pr= otection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharte= r%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fcharter.txt&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40vmwa= re.com%7C0ba01ad7ca1b4ff026c908d84f29ce38%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f= 0%7C0%7C0%7C637346388265914812&amp;sdata=3DQQxo0Vi6QH1S4t0giV73%2Fk%2BY= 0JdCYEmb0CcV1lZ6xAc%3D&amp;reserved=3D0
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> Comments?
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> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
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Kucherawy" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000097a82d05ae56767c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 15:41:09 -0000 --00000000000097a82d05ae56767c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Also, the draft spec LGTM; thanks! On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:39 AM Tim Bray wrote: > We're maybe overthinking this. Yes, JSONPointer and JMESpath exist, but > lots of people are using JSONPath, there's good software support but no > spec, so it would be beneficial to write a spec. What's the alternative, > everyone now using JSONPath rewrites their software because the alternati= ve > has a spec? > > Anyhow, thanks for setting up the repo. > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 3:21 AM Glyn Normington > wrote: > >> LGTM, thanks. >> >> > On 2 Sep 2020, at 11:20, Carsten Bormann wrote: >> > >> > On 2020-09-02, at 11:57, Glyn Normington >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Done: >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgith= ub.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter%2Fpull%2F1&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%= 40vmware.com%7C0ba01ad7ca1b4ff026c908d84f29ce38%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d= 9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637346388265914812&sdata=3DuTpyx4CwvTfe%2BBStFlOwh4as= IV7n81jFrPFCl2nnZsg%3D&reserved=3D0. >> Feel free to omit the second commit if it doesn=E2=80=99t really help. >> > >> > I merged it, but reworded the second commit so it occurs before the >> paragraph describing the WG=E2=80=99s work. >> > >> > >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgith= ub.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fcharter.txt&data=3D02%= 7C01%7Cnormingtong%40vmware.com%7C0ba01ad7ca1b4ff026c908d84f29ce38%7Cb39138= ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637346388265914812&sdata=3DQQxo0Vi= 6QH1S4t0giV73%2Fk%2BY0JdCYEmb0CcV1lZ6xAc%3D&reserved=3D0 >> > >> > Comments? >> > >> > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >> > >> > >> >> --00000000000097a82d05ae56767c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Als= o, the draft spec LGTM; thanks!

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:39 AM Tim Bra= y <tbray@textuality.com> = wrote:
We're maybe overthinking=C2=A0this. Yes, = JSONPointer and JMESpath exist, but lots of people are using JSONPath, ther= e's good software support but no spec, so it would be beneficial to wri= te a spec. What's the alternative, everyone now using JSONPath rewrites= their software because the alternative has a spec?

Anyhow, thanks for setting up the repo.

On = Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 3:21 AM Glyn Normington <normingtong@vmware.com> wrote:
<= /div>
LGTM, thanks.

> On 2 Sep 2020, at 11:20, Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
>
> On 2020-09-02, at 11:57, Glyn Normington <normingtong@vmware.com> wrote: >>
>> Done: https://nam04.safelinks.protection.ou= tlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharter%2Fpull%2F= 1&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40vmware.com%7C0ba01ad7ca1b4ff026c90= 8d84f29ce38%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637346388265914812= &amp;sdata=3DuTpyx4CwvTfe%2BBStFlOwh4asIV7n81jFrPFCl2nnZsg%3D&amp;r= eserved=3D0. Feel free to omit the second commit if it doesn=E2=80=99t = really help.
>
> I merged it, but reworded the second commit so it occurs before the pa= ragraph describing the WG=E2=80=99s work.
>
> https://nam04.safelinks.pr= otection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fjsonpath-wg%2Fcharte= r%2Fblob%2Fmaster%2Fcharter.txt&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40vmwa= re.com%7C0ba01ad7ca1b4ff026c908d84f29ce38%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f= 0%7C0%7C0%7C637346388265914812&amp;sdata=3DQQxo0Vi6QH1S4t0giV73%2Fk%2BY= 0JdCYEmb0CcV1lZ6xAc%3D&amp;reserved=3D0
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> Comments?
>
> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten
>
>

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Yes, JSONPointer and JMESpath exist, = but lots of people are using JSONPath, there's good software support but = no spec, so it would be beneficial to write a spec. What's the = alternative, everyone now using JSONPath rewrites their software because = the alternative has a spec? I think this is just a =E2=80=9Cwe made our homework=E2=80=9D type = statement: We looked at these and know that they exist, but the proposed = WG is something different. Murray: Du you think that what we have is good enough to send it back to = DISPATCH? 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Kucherawy" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 15:49:00 -0000 Hello, > I=E2=80=99d say: Saying that we do JSONPath already says that we are not = doing JMESPath. I agree, also I would say that the main point here is that JMESPath is too complex to implement compared to JSONPath (and also computational heavier) . Talking about JSONPointer: users should keep using it when they are looking for obtaining a subdocument (or just a value), JSONPointer guarantees a result in constant time and memory in most implementations (which might be good for security reasons) while this is not possible with JSONPath or JMESPath. Also I think we should encourage users about using JSONPointer when search capabilities are not needed. Therefore I think that each of them covers a well defined set of use cases which is partially overlapping. Regards, Davide Bettio. 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Kucherawy" Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 09:16:52 -0700 Message-ID: To: Davide Bettio Cc: Carsten Bormann , Glyn Normington , "jsonpath@ietf.org" , Tim Bray Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000060ad4205ae56f713" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 16:17:07 -0000 --00000000000060ad4205ae56f713 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:48 AM Davide Bettio wrote: > Talking about JSONPointer: users should keep using it when they are > looking for obtaining a subdocument (or just a value), JSONPointer > guarantees a result in constant time and memory in most > implementations (which might be good for security reasons) while this > is not possible with JSONPath or JMESPath. Also I think we should > encourage users about using JSONPointer when search capabilities are > not needed. > > Therefore I think that each of them covers a well defined set of use > cases which is partially overlapping. > I think this doesn't need to go in the charter, but would be ideal to include in the Introduction section of a JSONPath document. Somebody write that down. :-) -MSK --00000000000060ad4205ae56f713 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:48 AM Davide Bet= tio <davide.bettio@ispirat= a.com> wrote:
Talking about JSONPointer: users should ke= ep using it when they are
looking for obtaining a subdocument (or just a value), JSONPointer
guarantees a result in constant time and memory in most
implementations (which might be good for security reasons) while this
is not possible with JSONPath or JMESPath. Also I think we should
encourage users about using JSONPointer when search capabilities are
not needed.

Therefore I think that each of them covers a well defined set of use
cases which is partially overlapping.

I= think this doesn't need to go in the charter, but would be ideal to in= clude in the Introduction section of a JSONPath document.=C2=A0 Somebody wr= ite that down.=C2=A0 :-)

-MSK
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Kucherawy" Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 09:19:50 -0700 Message-ID: To: Carsten Bormann Cc: Tim Bray , "jsonpath@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ee1d8c05ae570152" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 16:20:04 -0000 --000000000000ee1d8c05ae570152 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:45 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2020-09-02, at 17:39, Tim Bray wrote: > > > > We're maybe overthinking this. Yes, JSONPointer and JMESpath exist, but > lots of people are using JSONPath, there's good software support but no > spec, so it would be beneficial to write a spec. What's the alternative, > everyone now using JSONPath rewrites their software because the alternati= ve > has a spec? > > I think this is just a =E2=80=9Cwe made our homework=E2=80=9D type statem= ent: We looked at > these and know that they exist, but the proposed WG is something differen= t. > Right; preempt such questions from the IESG, basically. Murray: Du you think that what we have is good enough to send it back to > DISPATCH? > Yes, I think so. Some ADs like to see mention of things that are explicitly out of scope; if you feel so inclined, you could mention that updates to JSON Pointer or drafts about JMESPath will not be considered, but I would be willing to send this up without that, so your choice. -MSK --000000000000ee1d8c05ae570152 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:45 AM Carsten Bo= rmann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
On 2020-09-02, at 17:39, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:
>
> We're maybe overthinking this. Yes, JSONPointer and JMESpath exist= , but lots of people are using JSONPath, there's good software support = but no spec, so it would be beneficial to write a spec. What's the alte= rnative, everyone now using JSONPath rewrites their software because the al= ternative has a spec?

I think this is just a =E2=80=9Cwe made our homework=E2=80=9D type statemen= t: We looked at these and know that they exist, but the proposed WG is some= thing different.

Right; preempt such qu= estions from the IESG, basically.

Murray: Du you think that what we have is good enough to send it back to DI= SPATCH?

Yes, I think so.=C2=A0 Some ADs like= to see mention of things that are explicitly out of scope; if you feel so = inclined, you could mention that updates to JSON Pointer or drafts about JM= ESPath will not be considered, but I would be willing to send this up witho= ut that, so your choice.

-MSK
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Kucherawy" Cc: Carsten Bormann , "jsonpath@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000fb8ee605ae585255" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 17:54:24 -0000 --000000000000fb8ee605ae585255 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I made https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pull/2 to say changes to JMESPath and JSON Pointer are not contemplated. I actually don't have much of an opinion as to whether this is an improvement, so I'm OK either way. On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 9:20 AM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 8:45 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > >> On 2020-09-02, at 17:39, Tim Bray wrote: >> > >> > We're maybe overthinking this. Yes, JSONPointer and JMESpath exist, bu= t >> lots of people are using JSONPath, there's good software support but no >> spec, so it would be beneficial to write a spec. What's the alternative, >> everyone now using JSONPath rewrites their software because the alternat= ive >> has a spec? >> >> I think this is just a =E2=80=9Cwe made our homework=E2=80=9D type state= ment: We looked >> at these and know that they exist, but the proposed WG is something >> different. >> > > Right; preempt such questions from the IESG, basically. > > Murray: Du you think that what we have is good enough to send it back to >> DISPATCH? >> > > Yes, I think so. Some ADs like to see mention of things that are > explicitly out of scope; if you feel so inclined, you could mention that > updates to JSON Pointer or drafts about JMESPath will not be considered, > but I would be willing to send this up without that, so your choice. > > -MSK > --000000000000fb8ee605ae585255 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I made=C2=A0https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pull/2 to say changes t= o JMESPath and JSON Pointer are not contemplated. I actually don't have= much of an opinion as to whether this is an improvement, so I'm OK eit= her way.=C2=A0

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 9:20 AM Murray S. Kucheraw= y <superuser@gmail.com> wr= ote:
On Wed, Se= p 2, 2020 at 8:45 AM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
On 2020-09-02, at 17:39, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wro= te:
>
> We're maybe overthinking this. Yes, JSONPointer and JMESpath exist= , but lots of people are using JSONPath, there's good software support = but no spec, so it would be beneficial to write a spec. What's the alte= rnative, everyone now using JSONPath rewrites their software because the al= ternative has a spec?

I think this is just a =E2=80=9Cwe made our homework=E2=80=9D type statemen= t: We looked at these and know that they exist, but the proposed WG is some= thing different.

Right; preempt such qu= estions from the IESG, basically.

Murray: Du you think that what we have is good enough to send it back to DI= SPATCH?

Yes, I think so.=C2=A0 Some ADs like= to see mention of things that are explicitly out of scope; if you feel so = inclined, you could mention that updates to JSON Pointer or drafts about JM= ESPath will not be considered, but I would be willing to send this up witho= ut that, so your choice.

-MSK
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I actually don't have = much of an opinion as to whether this is an improvement, so I'm OK = either way.=20 I think the IESG usually wants much stronger language than =E2=80=9Cnot = contemplated=E2=80=9D for the charter exclusions. For me, that is = already implicit in the statement of what it does do, so this language = might even be a step backwards. I would simply say =E2=80=9CThese are out of scope for the WG=E2=80=9D = at the end of the penultimate paragraph, but that may not be entirely = true either: We may want to describe the two-way mapping between JSON Pointer and = JSONPath for a subset (or an important part of that subset) where that = two-way mapping exists. So that would make it: > These approaches are out of scope for the WG, except that it may be > useful to describe the mapping between subsets of JSON Pointer and > JSONPath. (If that turns out to be a bad restriction, we can always ask for a = recharter later, so there is no need for weaselwords.) 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Kucherawy" , "jsonpath@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000025e74805ae5a52fd" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2020 20:17:16 -0000 --00000000000025e74805ae5a52fd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Works for me. On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:08 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: > On 2020-09-02, at 19:54, Tim Bray wrote: > > > > I made https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pull/2 to say changes to > JMESPath and JSON Pointer are not contemplated. I actually don't have muc= h > of an opinion as to whether this is an improvement, so I'm OK either way. > > I think the IESG usually wants much stronger language than =E2=80=9Cnot > contemplated=E2=80=9D for the charter exclusions. For me, that is alread= y implicit > in the statement of what it does do, so this language might even be a ste= p > backwards. > > I would simply say =E2=80=9CThese are out of scope for the WG=E2=80=9D at= the end of the > penultimate paragraph, but that may not be entirely true either: > We may want to describe the two-way mapping between JSON Pointer and > JSONPath for a subset (or an important part of that subset) where that > two-way mapping exists. > > So that would make it: > > > These approaches are out of scope for the WG, except that it may be > > useful to describe the mapping between subsets of JSON Pointer and > > JSONPath. > > (If that turns out to be a bad restriction, we can always ask for a > recharter later, so there is no need for weaselwords.) > > Now https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pull/3 > > Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > > --00000000000025e74805ae5a52fd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Wor= ks for me.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:08 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
On 2020-09-02, at 19:54, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:
>
> I made https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pu= ll/2 to say changes to JMESPath and JSON Pointer are not contemplated. = I actually don't have much of an opinion as to whether this is an impro= vement, so I'm OK either way.

I think the IESG usually wants much stronger language than =E2=80=9Cnot con= templated=E2=80=9D for the charter exclusions.=C2=A0 For me, that is alread= y implicit in the statement of what it does do, so this language might even= be a step backwards.

I would simply say =E2=80=9CThese are out of scope for the WG=E2=80=9D at t= he end of the penultimate paragraph, but that may not be entirely true eith= er:
We may want to describe the two-way mapping between JSON Pointer and JSONPa= th for a subset (or an important part of that subset) where that two-way ma= pping exists.

So that would make it:

> These approaches are out of scope for the WG, except that it may be > useful to describe the mapping between subsets of JSON Pointer and
> JSONPath.

(If that turns out to be a bad restriction, we can always ask for a rechart= er later, so there is no need for weaselwords.)

Now https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pull/3
Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

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Kucherawy" Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:39:47 -0700 Message-ID: To: Tim Bray Cc: Carsten Bormann , "jsonpath@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001c857105af29acab" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 03:40:02 -0000 --0000000000001c857105af29acab Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Works for me too. Going back to DISPATCH with this is the next step, correct? If so, fire when ready. -MSK On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:17 PM Tim Bray wrote: > Works for me. > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:08 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: > >> On 2020-09-02, at 19:54, Tim Bray wrote: >> > >> > I made https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pull/2 to say changes to >> JMESPath and JSON Pointer are not contemplated. I actually don't have mu= ch >> of an opinion as to whether this is an improvement, so I'm OK either way= . >> >> I think the IESG usually wants much stronger language than =E2=80=9Cnot >> contemplated=E2=80=9D for the charter exclusions. For me, that is alrea= dy implicit >> in the statement of what it does do, so this language might even be a st= ep >> backwards. >> >> I would simply say =E2=80=9CThese are out of scope for the WG=E2=80=9D a= t the end of the >> penultimate paragraph, but that may not be entirely true either: >> We may want to describe the two-way mapping between JSON Pointer and >> JSONPath for a subset (or an important part of that subset) where that >> two-way mapping exists. >> >> So that would make it: >> >> > These approaches are out of scope for the WG, except that it may be >> > useful to describe the mapping between subsets of JSON Pointer and >> > JSONPath. >> >> (If that turns out to be a bad restriction, we can always ask for a >> recharter later, so there is no need for weaselwords.) >> >> Now https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pull/3 >> >> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >> >> --0000000000001c857105af29acab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Works for me too. Going back to DISPATCH with this is= the next step, correct?

If so, fire when ready.

-MSK

=
On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:17 PM Tim Br= ay <tbray@textuality.com>= wrote:
Works for m= e.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:08 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
On 2020-09-02, at 19:54, Tim = Bray <tbray@te= xtuality.com> wrote:
>
> I made https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pu= ll/2 to say changes to JMESPath and JSON Pointer are not contemplated. = I actually don't have much of an opinion as to whether this is an impro= vement, so I'm OK either way.

I think the IESG usually wants much stronger language than =E2=80=9Cnot con= templated=E2=80=9D for the charter exclusions.=C2=A0 For me, that is alread= y implicit in the statement of what it does do, so this language might even= be a step backwards.

I would simply say =E2=80=9CThese are out of scope for the WG=E2=80=9D at t= he end of the penultimate paragraph, but that may not be entirely true eith= er:
We may want to describe the two-way mapping between JSON Pointer and JSONPa= th for a subset (or an important part of that subset) where that two-way ma= pping exists.

So that would make it:

> These approaches are out of scope for the WG, except that it may be > useful to describe the mapping between subsets of JSON Pointer and
> JSONPath.

(If that turns out to be a bad restriction, we can always ask for a rechart= er later, so there is no need for weaselwords.)

Now https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pull/3
Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

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Kucherawy" Cc: Carsten Bormann , jsonpath@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000005eca605af2a6222" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 04:30:56 -0000 --00000000000005eca605af2a6222 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Um, where's the "Fire" button? On Sat., Sep. 12, 2020, 8:40 p.m. Murray S. Kucherawy, wrote: > Works for me too. Going back to DISPATCH with this is the next step, > correct? > > If so, fire when ready. > > -MSK > > On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:17 PM Tim Bray wrote: > >> Works for me. >> >> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:08 PM Carsten Bormann wrote: >> >>> On 2020-09-02, at 19:54, Tim Bray wrote: >>> > >>> > I made https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pull/2 to say changes >>> to JMESPath and JSON Pointer are not contemplated. I actually don't hav= e >>> much of an opinion as to whether this is an improvement, so I'm OK eith= er >>> way. >>> >>> I think the IESG usually wants much stronger language than =E2=80=9Cnot >>> contemplated=E2=80=9D for the charter exclusions. For me, that is alre= ady implicit >>> in the statement of what it does do, so this language might even be a s= tep >>> backwards. >>> >>> I would simply say =E2=80=9CThese are out of scope for the WG=E2=80=9D = at the end of the >>> penultimate paragraph, but that may not be entirely true either: >>> We may want to describe the two-way mapping between JSON Pointer and >>> JSONPath for a subset (or an important part of that subset) where that >>> two-way mapping exists. >>> >>> So that would make it: >>> >>> > These approaches are out of scope for the WG, except that it may be >>> > useful to describe the mapping between subsets of JSON Pointer and >>> > JSONPath. >>> >>> (If that turns out to be a bad restriction, we can always ask for a >>> recharter later, so there is no need for weaselwords.) >>> >>> Now https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/pull/3 >>> >>> Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten >>> >>> --00000000000005eca605af2a6222 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Um, where's the "Fire" button?

On Sat., Sep.= 12, 2020, 8:40 p.m. Murray S. Kucherawy, <superuser@gmail.com> wrote:
Works for me too. Going back to DISPATCH wi= th this is the next step, correct?

If so, fire whe= n ready.

-MSK

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 at 1:17= PM Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:
Works for me.

On Wed, Sep 2, 2020 = at 1:08 PM Carsten Bormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
On 2020-09-02, at 19:54, Tim Bray <= tbray@textuality.com> wrote:
>
> I made https://github.com/jsonpath-wg= /charter/pull/2 to say changes to JMESPath and JSON Pointer are not con= templated. I actually don't have much of an opinion as to whether this = is an improvement, so I'm OK either way.

I think the IESG usually wants much stronger language than =E2=80=9Cnot con= templated=E2=80=9D for the charter exclusions.=C2=A0 For me, that is alread= y implicit in the statement of what it does do, so this language might even= be a step backwards.

I would simply say =E2=80=9CThese are out of scope for the WG=E2=80=9D at t= he end of the penultimate paragraph, but that may not be entirely true eith= er:
We may want to describe the two-way mapping between JSON Pointer and JSONPa= th for a subset (or an important part of that subset) where that two-way ma= pping exists.

So that would make it:

> These approaches are out of scope for the WG, except that it may be > useful to describe the mapping between subsets of JSON Pointer and
> JSONPath.

(If that turns out to be a bad restriction, we can always ask for a rechart= er later, so there is no need for weaselwords.)

Now https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/p= ull/3

Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten

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Kucherawy" , jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 621707686.274932-7de5547b7c5f4f5f4235a706b2aa553f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <22C87C6B-F7FB-4074-8EEF-118AA28AB61B@tzi.org> <3AC3C075-2CA3-4DDC-BEE8-C3C4B179A61B@vmware.com> <2498CFE1-D301-4238-AD9E-926817C4D7E5@tzi.org> <193BACC1-9D5F-4987-BA4E-3AFF9632D995@vmware.com> <9ACF3893-A7F1-4DD3-910C-92362BA652A5@tzi.org> <99DAB3E2-4359-47B5-98C7-25D1BC2B7E55@vmware.com> To: Tim Bray X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] JSONPath draft charter X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:34:51 -0000 Since I started the original discussion in DISPATCH, I=E2=80=99ll now = press that button by pointing DISPATCH to the result of the charter = discussion here. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten > On 2020-09-13, at 06:30, Tim Bray wrote: >=20 > Um, where's the "Fire" button? >=20 > On Sat., Sep. 12, 2020, 8:40 p.m. Murray S. Kucherawy, = wrote: > Works for me too. Going back to DISPATCH with this is the next step, = correct? >=20 > If so, fire when ready. 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The result of the discussion at IETF108 was: > Carsten Bormann presented [JSON = Path](https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath/).= There is considerable interest in the work, and people think this might = be a good candidate for a focused working group. Carsten will propose = charter text to be discussed on the list. (Some discussion might occur = on a separate JSON Path list, but the charter discussion will eventually = come back to DISPATCH) We now have had the discussion about a proposed charter over at the JSON = Path list, and the resulting proposed charter, based on an initial = proposal by Tim Bray, is at: https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/blob/master/charter.txt I have set a reply-to to dispatch@ietf.org. The IETF mailman recently = has been ignoring that, so here=E2=80=99s the manual version: Please = keep the discussion that is relevant to the dispatch process on the = dispatch list (and keep spinoff threads that are not really relevant to = that to the JSONPath list). 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Kucherawy" Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:02:19 -0700 Message-ID: To: DISPATCH list Cc: jsonpath@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003b20c005af3ac09c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath-00.txt X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 00:02:35 -0000 --0000000000003b20c005af3ac09c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:39 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > We now have had the discussion about a proposed charter over at the JSON > Path list, and the resulting proposed charter, based on an initial propos= al > by Tim Bray, is at: > > https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/blob/master/charter.txt > > I have set a reply-to to dispatch@ietf.org. The IETF mailman recently > has been ignoring that, so here=E2=80=99s the manual version: Please keep= the > discussion that is relevant to the dispatch process on the dispatch list > (and keep spinoff threads that are not really relevant to that to the > JSONPath list). > Unless the DISPATCH community has additional feedback over the next week or two, I'll take that text and start it on its journey. -MSK --0000000000003b20c005af3ac09c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:39 AM Carsten B= ormann <cabo@tzi.org> wrote:
<= /div>
We now have had the discussion about a proposed charter over at the = JSON Path list, and the resulting proposed charter, based on an initial pro= posal by Tim Bray, is at:

https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter= /blob/master/charter.txt

I have set a reply-to to dispatch@ietf.org.=C2=A0 The IETF mailman recently has been ignori= ng that, so here=E2=80=99s the manual version: Please keep the discussion t= hat is relevant to the dispatch process on the dispatch list (and keep spin= off threads that are not really relevant to that to the JSONPath list).
=

Unless the DISPATCH community has addition= al feedback over the next week or two, I'll take that text and start it= on its journey.

-MSK
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Kucherawy" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] [dispatch] draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath-00.txt X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 00:20:12 -0000 This seems reasonable.=20 As I mentioned in the session, I think there's a non-trivial amount of = risk here that some implementations won't be willing or able to move = away from their current behaviours, even if interoperability would = improve if they did so. However, there are ways to mitigate that (e.g., = a separate 'rfcxxxx compliant' mode). Even so, it will be important to = get good participation from as many current implementers as possible. Two nits in the charter text: 1) I don't think it's necessary to compare this effort to JSONPointer; = they do different things (querying a document vs. referring to a = particular part of a document), just as XPath and XPointer do different = things. Each has a place, it's not a matter of compatibility or = supplanting JSONPath. So, 'Other, incompatible approaches exist... but = have not succeeded in supplanting JSONPath' should be removed. 2) If this charter is predicated on adopting a specific draft, it should = be listed (e.g., as we did in = ). Cheers, > On 14 Sep 2020, at 10:02 am, Murray S. Kucherawy = wrote: >=20 > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 9:39 AM Carsten Bormann wrote: > We now have had the discussion about a proposed charter over at the = JSON Path list, and the resulting proposed charter, based on an initial = proposal by Tim Bray, is at: >=20 > https://github.com/jsonpath-wg/charter/blob/master/charter.txt >=20 > I have set a reply-to to dispatch@ietf.org. The IETF mailman recently = has been ignoring that, so here=E2=80=99s the manual version: Please = keep the discussion that is relevant to the dispatch process on the = dispatch list (and keep spinoff threads that are not really relevant to = that to the JSONPath list). >=20 > Unless the DISPATCH community has additional feedback over the next = week or two, I'll take that text and start it on its journey. >=20 > -MSK > _______________________________________________ > dispatch mailing list > dispatch@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dispatch -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Mon Sep 14 11:07:53 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 683193A0DFF; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:07:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VxbvJpRoYLyH; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ua1-x933.google.com (mail-ua1-x933.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::933]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E89F53A0DEB; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ua1-x933.google.com with SMTP id i22so143930uat.8; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:07:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qq5V+KdtCIuM8LhKtDnotRJDm8AMZtI5RHQT2Bogl24=; b=bs6HuqPlfD+UdxyrbUIVl2YzajZQ4Jjs4TQSPe005DRiO9zIL3gtildPD9u14BSXza wSevNBOeQF/8n/B4SHqwitZN6bmVco7ksMtsqf7v4PISWCwXa2N5curH7UBNabQ5Q/P/ +sCEjgBlfsEoSiDD0IHKVscP26U8UGP8+ebRPNXNLrTYPbrnA4FuZ5aHw8Umqk7K+VAO ZPzFHzrupnbbaGLbX9t7ZCV/DG9dHwdpUgqaUjEtdKeDtqzBVE0/XlZZn1j25I0H8rSN XwL94I/+LFDjApR6Clw+k6tX81QqhErFiqkpzXTv78g2uk0jXd2QBQ/avlw+pLAZW/LT Yw9g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qq5V+KdtCIuM8LhKtDnotRJDm8AMZtI5RHQT2Bogl24=; b=QJ4quplligzw4YDWiAdwVj4/QwzRL9ZSwFzRyLW47ns32VmXvjtMquieSKJf91jUv+ +2IwOpgFRnuIBfuq3lXVU6ohzy8D0azbK1nFWrl6W4Z3f7R03bL1ygSvkJbJa6ryw1zg s4hqoSsbdIKCUG7551MHov8C+9pARhbkqSRYWPMw6cFn+lUa7XOzkkJbJdLeFHnADjb3 FvhkPgWiUTBrOB3hTAAX1EzZ4g5mmKYn8DHnXiWk8Wz4O/H1HoV/T8GRfSvEa+xOE4yn FixUTyIUxaOBirvR9DNi6JA5SJ7g8GbclMpwaGQ+pemp0o7wAfadUGsRuYXtivRMvtrD fqnA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530iAj8PmgKMrXedNPgjktoenaKsaBaNPqJoG2x1FaWUsyA5XGh1 r5uJ9fyYt7rLX/8Qt60rRQhRS/c50Klvo7JX81i0GwLt X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxQ0Y8gp9n8SKfD16NP+Tj/Gqtb8j88xV26DAxTZlLbDfB9rzvqBrhJXzqr2S84rvjgE3qa7SdY6Or1VqQ6abE= X-Received: by 2002:a9f:26a5:: with SMTP id 34mr8124583uay.67.1600106865810; Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:07:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <159467093010.19477.7181341398452455173@ietfa.amsl.com> <77B617C1-2148-4AE6-8428-DAD43D01FBC5@tzi.org> <3B8242C5-CACE-4E85-AF0A-A0C6F77A5EDB@tzi.org> <92BFBB4F-54B7-4E14-B322-A8B323631584@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <92BFBB4F-54B7-4E14-B322-A8B323631584@mnot.net> From: "Murray S. Kucherawy" Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 11:07:32 -0700 Message-ID: To: Mark Nottingham Cc: DISPATCH list , jsonpath@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000056e23005af49e907" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] [dispatch] draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath-00.txt X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2020 18:07:52 -0000 --00000000000056e23005af49e907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 5:20 PM Mark Nottingham wrote: > Two nits in the charter text: > > 1) I don't think it's necessary to compare this effort to JSONPointer; > they do different things (querying a document vs. referring to a particular > part of a document), just as XPath and XPointer do different things. Each > has a place, it's not a matter of compatibility or supplanting JSONPath. > So, 'Other, incompatible approaches exist... but have not succeeded in > supplanting JSONPath' should be removed. > I suggested including something like this to head off questions from people who might wonder why we're standardizing another JSON referencing method when JSON Pointer wasn't that long ago. Perhaps: "This work is similar in concept to JSON Pointer (RFC xxxx) but documents a mechanism that has broader support yet is in need of formal standardization." ? 2) If this charter is predicated on adopting a specific draft, it should be > listed (e.g., as we did in < > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-quic/01/>). > I don't think there is such a draft yet, just the external source material. We could say that the intent is to generate a draft from the text found there. -MSK --00000000000056e23005af49e907 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 5:20 PM Mark Nott= ingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
Two nits in the charter text:

1) I don't think it's necessary to compare this effort to JSONPoint= er; they do different things (querying a document vs. referring to a partic= ular part of a document), just as XPath and XPointer do different things. E= ach has a place, it's not a matter of compatibility or supplanting JSON= Path. So, 'Other, incompatible approaches exist... but have not succeed= ed in supplanting JSONPath' should be removed.
I suggested including something like this to head off questions= from people who might wonder why we're standardizing another JSON refe= rencing method when JSON Pointer wasn't that long ago.=C2=A0 Perhaps:
"This work is similar in concept to JSON Pointer (RFC= xxxx) but documents a mechanism that has broader support yet is in need of= formal standardization."

?

2) If this charter is predicated on adopting a specific draft, it should be= listed (e.g., as we did in <https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-quic/01/>).
I don't think there is such a draft yet, just the external = source material.=C2=A0 We could say that the intent is to generate a draft = from the text found there.

-MSK

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Kucherawy" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.80.23.2.2) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] [dispatch] draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath-00.txt X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 06:01:34 -0000 > On 15 Sep 2020, at 4:07 am, Murray S. Kucherawy = wrote: >=20 > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 5:20 PM Mark Nottingham wrote: > Two nits in the charter text: >=20 > 1) I don't think it's necessary to compare this effort to JSONPointer; = they do different things (querying a document vs. referring to a = particular part of a document), just as XPath and XPointer do different = things. Each has a place, it's not a matter of compatibility or = supplanting JSONPath. So, 'Other, incompatible approaches exist... but = have not succeeded in supplanting JSONPath' should be removed. >=20 > I suggested including something like this to head off questions from = people who might wonder why we're standardizing another JSON referencing = method when JSON Pointer wasn't that long ago. Perhaps: >=20 > "This work is similar in concept to JSON Pointer (RFC xxxx) but = documents a mechanism that has broader support yet is in need of formal = standardization." >=20 > ? No - it's not similar in concept, they're separate things. If you really = wanted to mention JSON Pointer, you could say something like "Note that = while JSON Pointer (RFC xxxx) is already standardised, it is designed to = provide a reference to a single, specific part of a JSON document, = whereas JSONPath provides the ability to query a document and = potentially return multiple values." > 2) If this charter is predicated on adopting a specific draft, it = should be listed (e.g., as we did in = ). >=20 > I don't think there is such a draft yet, just the external source = material. We could say that the intent is to generate a draft from the = text found there. I see two: * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath/ * https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/internet-draft/ Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Tue Sep 15 00:21:22 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E543A0D38 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:21:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sZqG9Uk4ctUf for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:21:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com (mail-lf1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA6123A0D22 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id y17so1981209lfa.8 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:21:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=qChalnVGMgd29MDegvY3LGrZ+f0ZLtUnjrkN3l1l+q8=; b=BsPpW8rsCL+KRzAvp33mYXmMAFTPXEoONxZ/H+FwRLvAmmf2gf1mmAof4cVCVhlizQ Guj8Eh8mTkDuy67orxWVe0yzbfX7QMLBhJAuWhN4zRSdb+KN8C8JyQ55+6ZL9JICDaaK mA6MwctEEHlMwRN38BtBOeAHlnQF3YhTKkJwOZGEzjOsTiXMCrsemoVVxcJxwoO7RJ/f DJ6RBujBVOaPc2cGYmBLJUur0UGKvzg0+eZEo6srZxLVQvYz77jJJmK744GOu5XNMEqN UhCdoVPgOiUD39SMu4sLMGMGd+jx0yX0s8kPq60dndZc60QcKVW3Be3sXOaNYUqL1XBf sYxg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=qChalnVGMgd29MDegvY3LGrZ+f0ZLtUnjrkN3l1l+q8=; b=gg7dd0EQp9lmfnvCY7BQFvUvxSH8NB2mTrCUEhwAbsFCc4OmxcqBcqRGHcH6HXlbkm cB9zD76NhyFZqttRfUDfbwHg3PgndAbZ3QqsxvqFmEfXqdyni0bYCOGfhfd83J/1K8pg 8Gn1C/QN7/mwkk/Q79VjKdRMokBaydVj8KYhW5C+gBPgKOkASNk482omL/y9aMqBV9PH Nk3sCsTmLz+8W3gbZ0R0KI+WJTGrAWLuAX2F+/RuGw8TuYky4B4IA3fTMf5EEkcmLpi9 JEL63r/I5NGrZYzFNfhMjCMsDx1rxe2X2L6Qo+pKp9ZdD6/GGEqz1+koh8q7NGO0Rbcy zaaw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532if48+bOi2WRMNaGbzfI0GvaL4q5JrmywG1Tw+EYSNmW8mlg00 xLYPYutKkSr+Z9l35SLIrTgDL8MMpuCjCK0PKbjxyQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzExA5GvLMMBDVbDzirpSIGYzuXhL0cxSqMtkTuSF7TOyigVRXlqdQ9aLnUibPoJH+Zc0lz4aVsXv5wLRYM+cc= X-Received: by 2002:a19:c07:: with SMTP id 7mr4915208lfm.516.1600154476899; Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:21:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <159467093010.19477.7181341398452455173@ietfa.amsl.com> <77B617C1-2148-4AE6-8428-DAD43D01FBC5@tzi.org> <3B8242C5-CACE-4E85-AF0A-A0C6F77A5EDB@tzi.org> <92BFBB4F-54B7-4E14-B322-A8B323631584@mnot.net> <40603C98-BE0D-4D3C-8170-FEA83494065F@mnot.net> In-Reply-To: <40603C98-BE0D-4D3C-8170-FEA83494065F@mnot.net> From: Tim Bray Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:21:04 -0700 Message-ID: To: Mark Nottingham Cc: "Murray S. Kucherawy" , jsonpath@ietf.org, DISPATCH list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002e8fe605af54ffef" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] [dispatch] draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath-00.txt X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 07:21:21 -0000 --0000000000002e8fe605af54ffef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Plan B: Don't mention JSONPointer at all. It's not what we want to work on, and the charter should be about what we want to work on. On Mon., Sep. 14, 2020, 11:02 p.m. Mark Nottingham, wrote: > > > > On 15 Sep 2020, at 4:07 am, Murray S. Kucherawy > wrote: > > > > On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 5:20 PM Mark Nottingham wrote: > > Two nits in the charter text: > > > > 1) I don't think it's necessary to compare this effort to JSONPointer; > they do different things (querying a document vs. referring to a particular > part of a document), just as XPath and XPointer do different things. Each > has a place, it's not a matter of compatibility or supplanting JSONPath. > So, 'Other, incompatible approaches exist... but have not succeeded in > supplanting JSONPath' should be removed. > > > > I suggested including something like this to head off questions from > people who might wonder why we're standardizing another JSON referencing > method when JSON Pointer wasn't that long ago. Perhaps: > > > > "This work is similar in concept to JSON Pointer (RFC xxxx) but > documents a mechanism that has broader support yet is in need of formal > standardization." > > > > ? > > No - it's not similar in concept, they're separate things. If you really > wanted to mention JSON Pointer, you could say something like "Note that > while JSON Pointer (RFC xxxx) is already standardised, it is designed to > provide a reference to a single, specific part of a JSON document, whereas > JSONPath provides the ability to query a document and potentially return > multiple values." > > > > 2) If this charter is predicated on adopting a specific draft, it should > be listed (e.g., as we did in < > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-quic/01/>). > > > > I don't think there is such a draft yet, just the external source > material. We could say that the intent is to generate a draft from the > text found there. > > I see two: > * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath/ > * https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/internet-draft/ > > Cheers, > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > -- > Jsonpath mailing list > Jsonpath@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath > --0000000000002e8fe605af54ffef Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Plan B: Don't mention JSONPointer at all. It's no= t what we want to work on, and the charter should be about what we want to = work on.

On Mon., Sep. 14, 2020, 11:02 p.m. Mark Nottingham, <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:


> On 15 Sep 2020, at 4:07 am, Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.c= om> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 5:20 PM Mark Nottingham <mnot@mnot.net> w= rote:
> Two nits in the charter text:
>
> 1) I don't think it's necessary to compare this effort to JSON= Pointer; they do different things (querying a document vs. referring to a p= articular part of a document), just as XPath and XPointer do different thin= gs. Each has a place, it's not a matter of compatibility or supplanting= JSONPath. So, 'Other, incompatible approaches exist... but have not su= cceeded in supplanting JSONPath' should be removed.
>
> I suggested including something like this to head off questions from p= eople who might wonder why we're standardizing another JSON referencing= method when JSON Pointer wasn't that long ago.=C2=A0 Perhaps:
>
> "This work is similar in concept to JSON Pointer (RFC xxxx) but d= ocuments a mechanism that has broader support yet is in need of formal stan= dardization."
>
> ?

No - it's not similar in concept, they're separate things. If you r= eally wanted to mention JSON Pointer, you could say something like "No= te that while JSON Pointer (RFC xxxx) is already standardised, it is design= ed to provide a reference to a single, specific part of a JSON document, wh= ereas JSONPath provides the ability to query a document and potentially ret= urn multiple values."


> 2) If this charter is predicated on adopting a specific draft, it shou= ld be listed (e.g., as we did in <https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-quic/01/>).
>
> I don't think there is such a draft yet, just the external source = material.=C2=A0 We could say that the intent is to generate a draft from th= e text found there.

I see two:
* https://datatracker.i= etf.org/doc/draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath/
* https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/= internet-draft/

Cheers,

--
Mark Nottingham=C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.mnot.net/

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Kucherawy" Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 00:33:20 -0700 Message-ID: To: Mark Nottingham Cc: DISPATCH list , jsonpath@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f0411c05af552a7a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] [dispatch] draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath-00.txt X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2020 07:33:34 -0000 --000000000000f0411c05af552a7a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 11:01 PM Mark Nottingham wrote: > No - it's not similar in concept, they're separate things. If you really > wanted to mention JSON Pointer, you could say something like "Note that > while JSON Pointer (RFC xxxx) is already standardised, it is designed to > provide a reference to a single, specific part of a JSON document, whereas > JSONPath provides the ability to query a document and potentially return > multiple values." > That's fine too. The reason I suggested this is because the abstract for JSON Pointer: JSON Pointer defines a string syntax for identifying a specific value within a JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) document. ...and the one for JSONPath that I remember seeing (which I can't find at the moment) seemed awfully similar, and I expected questions as a result, so I thought we might try being proactive. If consensus is to say nothing, I'll send it up that way instead. > 2) If this charter is predicated on adopting a specific draft, it should > be listed (e.g., as we did in < > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-quic/01/>). > > > > I don't think there is such a draft yet, just the external source > material. We could say that the intent is to generate a draft from the > text found there. > > I see two: > * https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath/ > * https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/internet-draft/ > Right you are. Yes, there should be such a reference. -MSK --000000000000f0411c05af552a7a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 11:01 PM Mark Not= tingham <mnot@mnot.net> wrote:
No - it's not similar in concept, they're separate thing= s. If you really wanted to mention JSON Pointer, you could say something li= ke "Note that while JSON Pointer (RFC xxxx) is already standardised, i= t is designed to provide a reference to a single, specific part of a JSON d= ocument, whereas JSONPath provides the ability to query a document and pote= ntially return multiple values."

T= hat's fine too.=C2=A0 The reason I suggested this is because the abstra= ct for JSON Pointer:

   JSON Pointer defines a string syntax fo=
r identifying a specific value
   within a JavaScript Object Notation (JSON) document.

<=
span style=3D"font-family:arial,sans-serif">...and the one for JSONPath tha=
t I remember seeing (which I can't find at the moment) seemed awfully s=
imilar, and I expected questions as a result, so I thought we might try bei=
ng proactive.
If consensus is to say nothing, I'll send it up that way instead.<=
br>
> 2) If this charter is predicated on adopting a specific draft, it shou= ld be listed (e.g., as we did in <https://d= atatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-quic/01/>).
>
> I don't think there is such a draft yet, just the external source = material.=C2=A0 We could say that the intent is to generate a draft from th= e text found there.

I see two:
* https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc= /draft-goessner-dispatch-jsonpath/
* https://jsonpath-standard.github.io/internet-dr= aft/

Right you are.=C2=A0 Yes, ther= e should be such a reference.

-MSK
=
--000000000000f0411c05af552a7a-- From nobody Wed Sep 23 09:23:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietf.org Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B82BE3A129D; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 09:23:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: jsonpath-chairs@ietf.org, jsonpath@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.17.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Barry Leiba Message-ID: <160087819228.1978.15537378462505745792@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 09:23:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] Barry Leiba's Block on charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: (with BLOCK) X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 16:23:13 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- BLOCK: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one small issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification, with the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of existing implementations and, where there are differences, choosing semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption among JSONPath users. I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to develop a dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really mean. The *primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath that is technically sound, complete, and useful. And our resolution of differences is, surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection of the technically best choices. I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this: NEW The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification that is technically sound and complete, based on the common semantics and other aspects of existing implementations. Where there are differences, the working group will analyze those differences and make choices that rough consensus considers technically best, with an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different JSONPath implementations. END Does that make sense? 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Of course we want to avoid mush. > On 23 Sep 2020, at 17:23, Barry Leiba via Datatracker = wrote: >=20 > Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatat= racker.ietf.org%2Fdoc%2Fcharter-ietf-jsonpath%2F&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormi= ngtong%40vmware.com%7Cb204e686d2f04dd02c5308d85fdd0798%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4= d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637364750233449682&sdata=3D1wKhfZIaMJPtVSextS6= X52RW3%2FuQ%2F4NUhpFlLmCEQOc%3D&reserved=3D0 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > BLOCK: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one smal= l > issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal >=20 > The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification, with > the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of existing > implementations and, where there are differences, choosing > semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption among > JSONPath users. >=20 > I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to develop a > dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really mean.= The > *primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath that i= s > technically sound, complete, and useful. And our resolution of differenc= es is, > surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection of t= he > technically best choices. >=20 > I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this: >=20 > NEW > The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification that > is technically sound and complete, based on the common semantics > and other aspects of existing implementations. Where there are > differences, the working group will analyze those differences and > make choices that rough consensus considers technically best, with > an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different JSONPath > implementations. > END >=20 > Does that make sense? >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Jsonpath mailing list > Jsonpath@ietf.org > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.i= etf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fjsonpath&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40= vmware.com%7Cb204e686d2f04dd02c5308d85fdd0798%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9d= d62f0%7C0%7C0%7C637364750233449682&sdata=3Dz3KdBbXmyA5CXFrOi6lIiaW8qpuS= 5Ico42ePu%2Bmn%2FBw%3D&reserved=3D0 From nobody Wed Sep 23 10:27:06 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BD573A133E for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:27:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id poecL4kO_JBx for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com (mail-lf1-x134.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::134]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59A8E3A133C for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id z17so721030lfi.12 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:27:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=textuality-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=zqKp5xsX/dtchmN6FN1HhxJEccEJcb4ufl46ey5GxUM=; b=avcvjkMQ5E6RigUa9VrBVuYYp64MROTI5Mn3IQjN7aKz3GU+yWKV45LnRB+1rcmMu1 eRQg8Su3MABU5YMh8pd5Y0xJC6MpLyivDLzhVLXrH35ND7eF3m54VcpLTbfwCNdrS2Dy SxJ/iATbbQ+gjDYL6yYmgKisBqu5A5D43z0mPpXOSInzqH2hku3r4/ssM9EkJEECKrpv gtYXo//Y/MREp3UN7berQkSuJJ5BxybPGcxuZn1pvr5rdU4lwNy5QMfXA1Fbp72jTfZg BzvTdhM2LPoiloEp6qjlDBTfjVAR94Wx1/ep+2qqZDhrbW8wOiXFDdA1r0Fdm/Lt+aQv w9HA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=zqKp5xsX/dtchmN6FN1HhxJEccEJcb4ufl46ey5GxUM=; b=dF5HdH4EsSb8I4VjV5VKAKm4ApJI2p/Tr6H7I/k5hBeCjSYvAPXkrnrJ3DnDPLspnJ CmrAa8egS7N/RjBql82ZZGd+wJ4UDUGeB9dcc0PkefpOiA8LfbLEJ7pWNnb3M0QHlA0N jQoYPMkK99JC4f8LIsON9r3ZSIDsOSnKFTcSNy1uvSGoP3LVGQJ62GzTKFcFM//E45// lkyUHXuz2bkrOu6e77bp21vs0HVmqj/gHs+9uL0rYb4RuvxofmW3tYGNJaA0PxgqOULn /8RMiNuyJ3IS4PpACEMjIK9goTfk0mvj/g0gRFn4DJxaYztwrWw/6KIYL+BgtJ3CJElM 6Nqg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531T5x88NlrKlgirWqcIJIyD3Zxegejhej9YEaW1kNzN7TGvlM3S c4KrzC+5LWqExFYrLth88qTz8kWrI2zvNwsREZP7GQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw2d9K7IT6aiHHzoY8rUPtUw0LK/22cLL6Yri1JfQ9yQyXEFRr880o/+JltEF2o4VDdXcS5tux/KzX3TBB48IY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:2101:: with SMTP id q1mr307851lfr.157.1600882021418; Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:27:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <160087819228.1978.15537378462505745792@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <160087819228.1978.15537378462505745792@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Tim Bray Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 10:26:50 -0700 Message-ID: To: Barry Leiba Cc: The IESG , jsonpath@ietf.org, jsonpath-chairs@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000036db5805affe647f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Barry Leiba's Block on charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: (with BLOCK) X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2020 17:27:05 -0000 --00000000000036db5805affe647f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm OK with this, but for context: I've been a pretty intense JSONPath user in recent years, and AFAIK the spec, and the implementations, are mostly OK, so the choice between "make JSONPath good" and "don't invalidate implementations" is unlikely to come up. If it did, my predisposition would be to err on the side of not breaking implementations, but I don't think that's inconsistent with Barry's text. On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM Barry Leiba via Datatracker < noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for > charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > BLOCK: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one small > issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal > > The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification, with > the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of existing > implementations and, where there are differences, choosing > semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption among > JSONPath users. > > I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to develop a > dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really mean. > The > *primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath that is > technically sound, complete, and useful. And our resolution of > differences is, > surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection of the > technically best choices. > > I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this: > > NEW > The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification that > is technically sound and complete, based on the common semantics > and other aspects of existing implementations. Where there are > differences, the working group will analyze those differences and > make choices that rough consensus considers technically best, with > an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different JSONPath > implementations. > END > > Does that make sense? > > > > > > -- > Jsonpath mailing list > Jsonpath@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath > --00000000000036db5805affe647f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I&#= 39;m OK with this, but for context: I've been a pretty intense JSONPath= user in recent years, and AFAIK the spec, and the implementations, are mos= tly OK, so the choice between "make JSONPath good" and "don&= #39;t invalidate implementations" is unlikely to come up. If it did, m= y predisposition would be to err on the side of not breaking implementation= s, but I don't think that's inconsistent with Barry's text.=C2= =A0

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM Barry Leiba via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
=
Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for<= br> charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)



The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf= -jsonpath/



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BLOCK:
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I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one sm= all
issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specific= ation, with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of e= xisting
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0implementations and, where there are differences, choos= ing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption= among
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0JSONPath users.

I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to develop a dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really= mean.=C2=A0 The
*primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath that is<= br> technically sound, complete, and useful.=C2=A0 And our resolution of differ= ences is,
surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection of the=
technically best choices.

I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this:

NEW
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specific= ation that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is technically sound and complete, based on the common = semantics
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and other aspects of existing implementations.=C2=A0 Wh= ere there are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0differences, the working group will analyze those diffe= rences and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0make choices that rough consensus considers technically= best, with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different= JSONPath
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0implementations.
END

Does that make sense?





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Jus= t because this came across my radar this evening, here's the kind of in= teresting corner case to amuse people who want to work on this.

Consider this perfectly legal JSON o= bject

{
=C2=A0"ab": 0, =C2= =A0"'a.b": 1, =C2=A0"a-b": 2,
=C2=A0"a": { =C2=A0"b= ": 3 }
}

So $.ab is 0, $.a.b is= 3, $['a.b'] is 1, $['a-b'] is 2.=C2=A0 You'd like to s= ay $.a-b but lots of libraries will refuse it because "a-b" is no= t a legal JavaScript "name" construct, that's why you have to= say $['a-b'].

Bu= t suppose your library would accept $.a-b.=C2=A0 Then $.a-b and $['a-b&= #39;] would be synonyms, but $.a.b and $['a.b'] wouldn't.=C2=A0=

Fun!
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Kucherawy" Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2020 20:23:58 -0700 Message-ID: To: Tim Bray Cc: Barry Leiba , jsonpath@ietf.org, The IESG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000006bc4eb05b02ef7f9" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Barry Leiba's Block on charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: (with BLOCK) X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2020 03:24:13 -0000 --0000000000006bc4eb05b02ef7f9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Absent any objections to Barry's change in the next few days, I'll edit the proposed charter in the tracker and we can move it forward to external review as of the next IESG telechat. Now might be a good time to put the call out for co-chair volunteers, too! -MSK On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:27 AM Tim Bray wrote: > I'm OK with this, but for context: I've been a pretty intense JSONPath > user in recent years, and AFAIK the spec, and the implementations, are > mostly OK, so the choice between "make JSONPath good" and "don't invalidate > implementations" is unlikely to come up. If it did, my predisposition would > be to err on the side of not breaking implementations, but I don't think > that's inconsistent with Barry's text. > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM Barry Leiba via Datatracker < > noreply@ietf.org> wrote: > >> Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for >> charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >> >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> BLOCK: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one small >> issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal >> >> The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification, with >> the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of existing >> implementations and, where there are differences, choosing >> semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption among >> JSONPath users. >> >> I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to develop a >> dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really >> mean. The >> *primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath that is >> technically sound, complete, and useful. And our resolution of >> differences is, >> surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection of >> the >> technically best choices. >> >> I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this: >> >> NEW >> The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification that >> is technically sound and complete, based on the common semantics >> and other aspects of existing implementations. Where there are >> differences, the working group will analyze those differences and >> make choices that rough consensus considers technically best, with >> an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different JSONPath >> implementations. >> END >> >> Does that make sense? >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jsonpath mailing list >> Jsonpath@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath >> > --0000000000006bc4eb05b02ef7f9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Absent any objections to Barry's change in the ne= xt few days, I'll edit the proposed charter in the tracker and we can m= ove it forward to external review as of the next IESG telechat.
<= br>
Now might be a good time to put the call out for co-chair vol= unteers, too!

-MSK

On Wed, Sep 23, 20= 20 at 10:27 AM Tim Bray <tbray@t= extuality.com> wrote:
I'm OK with this, but for context: I've been a pretty int= ense JSONPath user in recent years, and AFAIK the spec, and the implementat= ions, are mostly OK, so the choice between "make JSONPath good" a= nd "don't invalidate implementations" is unlikely to come up.= If it did, my predisposition would be to err on the side of not breaking i= mplementations, but I don't think that's inconsistent with Barry= 9;s text.=C2=A0

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM Barry Leiba via Datatr= acker <noreply@iet= f.org> wrote:
Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for
charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)



The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf= -jsonpath/



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BLOCK:
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I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one sm= all
issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specific= ation, with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of e= xisting
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0implementations and, where there are differences, choos= ing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption= among
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0JSONPath users.

I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to develop a dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really= mean.=C2=A0 The
*primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath that is<= br> technically sound, complete, and useful.=C2=A0 And our resolution of differ= ences is,
surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection of the=
technically best choices.

I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this:

NEW
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specific= ation that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is technically sound and complete, based on the common = semantics
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and other aspects of existing implementations.=C2=A0 Wh= ere there are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0differences, the working group will analyze those diffe= rences and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0make choices that rough consensus considers technically= best, with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different= JSONPath
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0implementations.
END

Does that make sense?





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Kucherawy" Cc: Barry Leiba , jsonpath@ietf.org, The IESG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001d20e805b04f5dce" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Barry Leiba's Block on charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: (with BLOCK) X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 18:03:19 -0000 --0000000000001d20e805b04f5dce Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I'm interested in this and expect to be lightly employed for a while so will volunteer to help out in whatever capacity. I've edited & co-chaired. I think, given that there are two drafts already, we can maybe be optimistic about finding an editor? On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM Murray S. Kucherawy wrote: > Absent any objections to Barry's change in the next few days, I'll edit > the proposed charter in the tracker and we can move it forward to external > review as of the next IESG telechat. > > Now might be a good time to put the call out for co-chair volunteers, too! > > -MSK > > On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:27 AM Tim Bray wrote: > >> I'm OK with this, but for context: I've been a pretty intense JSONPath >> user in recent years, and AFAIK the spec, and the implementations, are >> mostly OK, so the choice between "make JSONPath good" and "don't invalidate >> implementations" is unlikely to come up. If it did, my predisposition would >> be to err on the side of not breaking implementations, but I don't think >> that's inconsistent with Barry's text. >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM Barry Leiba via Datatracker < >> noreply@ietf.org> wrote: >> >>> Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for >>> charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block >>> >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this >>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>> >>> >>> >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> BLOCK: >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one >>> small >>> issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal >>> >>> The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification, with >>> the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of existing >>> implementations and, where there are differences, choosing >>> semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption among >>> JSONPath users. >>> >>> I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to develop a >>> dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really >>> mean. The >>> *primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath that >>> is >>> technically sound, complete, and useful. And our resolution of >>> differences is, >>> surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection of >>> the >>> technically best choices. >>> >>> I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this: >>> >>> NEW >>> The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification that >>> is technically sound and complete, based on the common semantics >>> and other aspects of existing implementations. Where there are >>> differences, the working group will analyze those differences and >>> make choices that rough consensus considers technically best, with >>> an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different JSONPath >>> implementations. >>> END >>> >>> Does that make sense? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jsonpath mailing list >>> Jsonpath@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath >>> >> --0000000000001d20e805b04f5dce Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I&#= 39;m interested=C2=A0in this and expect to be lightly employed for a while = so will volunteer to help out in whatever capacity.=C2=A0 I've edited &= amp; co-chaired. I think, given that there are two drafts already, we can m= aybe be optimistic about finding an editor?

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:= 24 PM Murray S. Kucherawy <superu= ser@gmail.com> wrote:
Absent any objections to Barry's change in the next few days, I'l= l edit the proposed charter in the tracker and we can move it forward to ex= ternal review as of the next IESG telechat.

Now mi= ght be a good time to put the call out for co-chair volunteers, too!

-MSK

<= div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:27 AM Tim B= ray <tbray@tex= tuality.com> wrote:
I'm OK with this, but= for context: I've been a pretty intense JSONPath user in recent years,= and AFAIK the spec, and the implementations, are mostly OK, so the choice = between "make JSONPath good" and "don't invalidate imple= mentations" is unlikely to come up. If it did, my predisposition would= be to err on the side of not breaking implementations, but I don't thi= nk that's inconsistent with Barry's text.=C2=A0

On Wed, Sep 23= , 2020 at 9:23 AM Barry Leiba via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for
charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)



The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf= -jsonpath/



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BLOCK:
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I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one sm= all
issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specific= ation, with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of e= xisting
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0implementations and, where there are differences, choos= ing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption= among
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0JSONPath users.

I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to develop a dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really= mean.=C2=A0 The
*primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath that is<= br> technically sound, complete, and useful.=C2=A0 And our resolution of differ= ences is,
surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection of the=
technically best choices.

I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this:

NEW
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specific= ation that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is technically sound and complete, based on the common = semantics
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and other aspects of existing implementations.=C2=A0 Wh= ere there are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0differences, the working group will analyze those diffe= rences and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0make choices that rough consensus considers technically= best, with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different= JSONPath
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0implementations.
END

Does that make sense?





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On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM Barry Lei= ba via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org= > wrote:
[...]

=C2=A0
I propose this (or some= similar) alternative way of saying this:

NEW
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specific= ation that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is technically sound and complete, based on the common = semantics
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and other aspects of existing implementations.=C2=A0 Wh= ere there are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0differences, the working group will analyze those diffe= rences and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0make choices that rough consensus considers technically= best, with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different= JSONPath
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0implementations.
END

Does that make sense?

Charter text upda= ted.

-MSK
--000000000000db469405b058da80-- From nobody Sun Sep 27 22:57:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: jsonpath@ietf.org Delivered-To: jsonpath@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C813A0E5F; Sun, 27 Sep 2020 22:56:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Barry Leiba via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: jsonpath-chairs@ietf.org, jsonpath@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.17.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Barry Leiba Message-ID: <160127261249.30875.2495867086719497606@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2020 22:56:52 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Jsonpath] Barry Leiba's Yes on charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-01: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 05:56:53 -0000 Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-01: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Version -01 resolves my concern; thanks. 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Sep 2020 10:12:15 -0700 Message-ID: To: Glyn Normington Cc: "Murray S. Kucherawy" , "jsonpath@ietf.org" , Barry Leiba , The IESG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000042524505b062c56f" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Barry Leiba's Block on charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: (with BLOCK) X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:12:31 -0000 --00000000000042524505b062c56f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My last few IETF workloads have been as an editor so I'd mildly prefer to co-chair. In principle I would co-edit, but having glanced at your I-D, it's not obvious to me that we need a co-editor. You seem to be on top of I-D language style and are github-competent. Frankly, there's not that much more to it. Except for being willing to abandon ownership and go with WG consensus. In either case, I'd be happy to help out if the editorial work is experiencing IETF friction. On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 9:49 AM Glyn Normington wrote: > Hi Tim > > I=E2=80=99m willing to act as an editor since I=E2=80=99ve been doing tha= t for [1]. But it > would be handy for have another editor who is familiar with IETF processe= s, > so perhaps you or Carsten could join me as an editor and the other could > chair the WG? Of course, if others want to jump in, so much the better... > > Regards, > Glyn > > [1] https://github.com/jsonpath-standard/internet-draft > > On 27 Sep 2020, at 19:03, Tim Bray wrote: > > I'm interested in this and expect to be lightly employed for a while so > will volunteer to help out in whatever capacity. I've edited & co-chaire= d. > I think, given that there are two drafts already, we can maybe be > optimistic about finding an editor? > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM Murray S. Kucherawy > wrote: > >> Absent any objections to Barry's change in the next few days, I'll edit >> the proposed charter in the tracker and we can move it forward to extern= al >> review as of the next IESG telechat. >> >> Now might be a good time to put the call out for co-chair volunteers, to= o! >> >> -MSK >> >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:27 AM Tim Bray wrote: >> >>> I'm OK with this, but for context: I've been a pretty intense JSONPath >>> user in recent years, and AFAIK the spec, and the implementations, are >>> mostly OK, so the choice between "make JSONPath good" and "don't invali= date >>> implementations" is unlikely to come up. If it did, my predisposition w= ould >>> be to err on the side of not breaking implementations, but I don't thin= k >>> that's inconsistent with Barry's text. >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM Barry Leiba via Datatracker < >>> noreply@ietf.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for >>>> charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block >>>> >>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >>>> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut thi= s >>>> introductory paragraph, however.) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> BLOCK: >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one >>>> small >>>> issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal >>>> >>>> The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification, wit= h >>>> the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of existing >>>> implementations and, where there are differences, choosing >>>> semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption among >>>> JSONPath users. >>>> >>>> I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to develop= a >>>> dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really >>>> mean. The >>>> *primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath tha= t >>>> is >>>> technically sound, complete, and useful. And our resolution of >>>> differences is, >>>> surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection o= f >>>> the >>>> technically best choices. >>>> >>>> I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this: >>>> >>>> NEW >>>> The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification that >>>> is technically sound and complete, based on the common semantics >>>> and other aspects of existing implementations. Where there are >>>> differences, the working group will analyze those differences and >>>> make choices that rough consensus considers technically best, wit= h >>>> an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different JSONPath >>>> implementations. >>>> END >>>> >>>> Does that make sense? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jsonpath mailing list >>>> Jsonpath@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath >>>> >>>> >>> -- > Jsonpath mailing list > Jsonpath@ietf.org > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.i= etf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fjsonpath&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40= vmware.com%7C984511507115425a419c08d8630fa078%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9d= d62f0%7C0%7C1%7C637368266061426588&sdata=3DqXfepRr9xkkWWDm%2FwOwZASG79y= Xu83MY4wrfFnswUHM%3D&reserved=3D0 > > > --00000000000042524505b062c56f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My = last few IETF workloads have been as an editor so I'd mildly prefer to = co-chair.=C2=A0 In principle I would co-edit, but having glanced at your I-= D, it's not obvious to me that we need a co-editor. You seem to be on t= op of I-D language style and are github-competent. Frankly, there's not= that much more to it. Except for being willing to abandon ownership and go= with WG consensus. In either case, I'd be happy to help out if the edi= torial work is experiencing IETF friction.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 9:4= 9 AM Glyn Normington <normingt= ong@vmware.com> wrote:
Hi Tim

I=E2=80=99m willing to act as an editor since I=E2=80=99ve been doing that = for [1]. But it would be handy for have another editor who is familiar with= IETF processes, so perhaps you or Carsten could join me as an editor and t= he other could chair the WG? Of course, if others want to jump in, so much the better...

Regards,
Glyn

[1]=C2=A0https://github.com/jsonpath-standard/internet-draft


I'm interested= =C2=A0in this and expect to be lightly employed for a while so will volunte= er to help out in whatever capacity.=C2=A0 I've edited & co-chaired= . I think, given that there are two drafts already, we can maybe be optimistic about finding an editor?

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM Murra= y S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> wrote:
Absent any objections to Barry's change in the next few days, I= 9;ll edit the proposed charter in the tracker and we can move it forward to= external review as of the next IESG telechat.

Now might be a good time to put the call out for co-chair volunteers, = too!

-MSK

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:27 AM Tim = Bray <tbray@te= xtuality.com> wrote:
I'm OK with this= , but for context: I've been a pretty intense JSONPath user in recent y= ears, and AFAIK the spec, and the implementations, are mostly OK, so the ch= oice between "make JSONPath good" and "don't invalidate implementations" is unlikely to come up. If it did, my pre= disposition would be to err on the side of not breaking implementations, bu= t I don't think that's inconsistent with Barry's text.=C2=A0

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM Barry= Leiba via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for
charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this
introductory paragraph, however.)



The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/<= /a>



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BLOCK:
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I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one sm= all
issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specific= ation, with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of e= xisting
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0implementations and, where there are differences, choos= ing
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption= among
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0JSONPath users.

I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to develop a dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really= mean.=C2=A0 The
*primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath that is<= br> technically sound, complete, and useful.=C2=A0 And our resolution of differ= ences is,
surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection of the=
technically best choices.

I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this:

NEW
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specific= ation that
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is technically sound and complete, based on the common = semantics
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and other aspects of existing implementations.=C2=A0 Wh= ere there are
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0differences, the working group will analyze those diffe= rences and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0make choices that rough consensus considers technically= best, with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different= JSONPath
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0implementations.
END

Does that make sense?





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[24.154.119.158]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j10sm902856ilr.33.2020.09.28.10.21.18 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 28 Sep 2020 10:21:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Rosen Message-Id: <3F5D008A-70E5-4BAE-A0DA-FBE0095F5C6A@brianrosen.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F99983D5-A075-4F97-BF22-14F8E1A12D57" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 13:21:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: Glyn Normington , "jsonpath@ietf.org" , Barry Leiba , "Murray S. Kucherawy" , The IESG To: Tim Bray References: <160087819228.1978.15537378462505745792@ietfa.amsl.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Barry Leiba's Block on charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: (with BLOCK) X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2020 17:21:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F99983D5-A075-4F97-BF22-14F8E1A12D57 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I can help Glyn with IETFness. Brian > On Sep 28, 2020, at 1:12 PM, Tim Bray wrote: >=20 > My last few IETF workloads have been as an editor so I'd mildly prefer = to co-chair. In principle I would co-edit, but having glanced at your = I-D, it's not obvious to me that we need a co-editor. You seem to be on = top of I-D language style and are github-competent. Frankly, there's not = that much more to it. Except for being willing to abandon ownership and = go with WG consensus. In either case, I'd be happy to help out if the = editorial work is experiencing IETF friction. >=20 > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 9:49 AM Glyn Normington = > wrote: > Hi Tim >=20 > I=E2=80=99m willing to act as an editor since I=E2=80=99ve been doing = that for [1]. But it would be handy for have another editor who is = familiar with IETF processes, so perhaps you or Carsten could join me as = an editor and the other could chair the WG? Of course, if others want to = jump in, so much the better... >=20 > Regards, > Glyn >=20 > [1] https://github.com/jsonpath-standard/internet-draft = >=20 >> On 27 Sep 2020, at 19:03, Tim Bray > wrote: >>=20 >> I'm interested in this and expect to be lightly employed for a while = so will volunteer to help out in whatever capacity. I've edited & = co-chaired. I think, given that there are two drafts already, we can = maybe be optimistic about finding an editor? >>=20 >> On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM Murray S. Kucherawy = > wrote: >> Absent any objections to Barry's change in the next few days, I'll = edit the proposed charter in the tracker and we can move it forward to = external review as of the next IESG telechat. >>=20 >> Now might be a good time to put the call out for co-chair volunteers, = too! >>=20 >> -MSK >>=20 >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:27 AM Tim Bray > wrote: >> I'm OK with this, but for context: I've been a pretty intense = JSONPath user in recent years, and AFAIK the spec, and the = implementations, are mostly OK, so the choice between "make JSONPath = good" and "don't invalidate implementations" is unlikely to come up. If = it did, my predisposition would be to err on the side of not breaking = implementations, but I don't think that's inconsistent with Barry's = text.=20 >>=20 >> On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM Barry Leiba via Datatracker = > wrote: >> Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for >> charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block >>=20 >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all >> email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this >> introductory paragraph, however.) >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/ = >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> BLOCK: >> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >> I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one = small >> issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal >>=20 >> The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification, = with >> the primary goal of capturing the common semantics of existing >> implementations and, where there are differences, choosing >> semantics with the goal of causing the least disruption among >> JSONPath users. >>=20 >> I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to = develop a >> dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really = mean. The >> *primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath = that is >> technically sound, complete, and useful. And our resolution of = differences is, >> surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection = of the >> technically best choices. >>=20 >> I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this: >>=20 >> NEW >> The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath specification = that >> is technically sound and complete, based on the common semantics >> and other aspects of existing implementations. Where there are >> differences, the working group will analyze those differences = and >> make choices that rough consensus considers technically best, = with >> an aim toward minimizing disruption among the different JSONPath >> implementations. >> END >>=20 >> Does that make sense? >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Jsonpath mailing list >> Jsonpath@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath = >> --=20 >> Jsonpath mailing list >> Jsonpath@ietf.org >> = https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ie= tf.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Fjsonpath&data=3D02%7C01%7Cnormingtong%40= vmware.com%7C984511507115425a419c08d8630fa078%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9= dd62f0%7C0%7C1%7C637368266061426588&sdata=3DqXfepRr9xkkWWDm%2FwOwZASG7= 9yXu83MY4wrfFnswUHM%3D&reserved=3D0 = > --=20 > Jsonpath mailing list > Jsonpath@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/jsonpath --Apple-Mail=_F99983D5-A075-4F97-BF22-14F8E1A12D57 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I = can help Glyn with IETFness.

Brian

On Sep 28, 2020, at 1:12 PM, = Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:

My = last few IETF workloads have been as an editor so I'd mildly prefer to = co-chair.  In principle I would co-edit, but having glanced at your = I-D, it's not obvious to me that we need a co-editor. You seem to be on = top of I-D language style and are github-competent. Frankly, there's not = that much more to it. Except for being willing to abandon ownership and = go with WG consensus. In either case, I'd be happy to help out if the = editorial work is experiencing IETF friction.

On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 9:49 AM Glyn Normington = <normingtong@vmware.com> wrote:
Hi Tim

I=E2=80=99m willing to act as an editor since I=E2=80=99ve been doing = that for [1]. But it would be handy for have another editor who is = familiar with IETF processes, so perhaps you or Carsten could join me as = an editor and the other could chair the WG? Of course, if others want to jump in, so much the better...

Regards,
Glyn

[1] https://github.com/jsonpath-standard/internet-draft

On 27 Sep 2020, at 19:03, Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:

I'm = interested in this and expect to be lightly employed for a while so = will volunteer to help out in whatever capacity.  I've edited & = co-chaired. I think, given that there are two drafts already, we can maybe be optimistic about finding an editor?

On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 8:24 PM = Murray S. Kucherawy <superuser@gmail.com> wrote:
Absent any objections to Barry's change in the next few = days, I'll edit the proposed charter in the tracker and we can move it = forward to external review as of the next IESG telechat.

Now might be a good time to put the call out for = co-chair volunteers, too!

-MSK

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 10:27 AM = Tim Bray <tbray@textuality.com> wrote:
I'm OK with this, = but for context: I've been a pretty intense JSONPath user in recent = years, and AFAIK the spec, and the implementations, are mostly OK, so = the choice between "make JSONPath good" and "don't invalidate implementations" is unlikely to come up. If it did, my = predisposition would be to err on the side of not breaking = implementations, but I don't think that's inconsistent with Barry's = text. 

On Wed, Sep 23, 2020 at 9:23 AM = Barry Leiba via Datatracker <noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
Barry Leiba has entered the following ballot position for
charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: Block

When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all
email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut = this
introductory paragraph, however.)



The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-jsonpath/



= ----------------------------------------------------------------------
BLOCK:
= ----------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm very supportive of forming this working group, and have just one = small
issue with the "spin" on the goals in the charter proposal

     The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath = specification, with
     the primary goal of capturing the common semantics = of existing
     implementations and, where there are differences, = choosing
     semantics with the goal of causing the least = disruption among
     JSONPath users.

I fear that this text appears to say that we primarily want to develop = a
dumbed-down compromise mush, and I'm sure that's not what we really = mean.  The
*primary* goal is, surely, to develop a specification for JSONPath that = is
technically sound, complete, and useful.  And our resolution of = differences is,
surely, going to be based on analysis of the tradeoffs and selection of = the
technically best choices.

I propose this (or some similar) alternative way of saying this:

NEW
     The WG will develop a standards-track JSONPath = specification that
     is technically sound and complete, based on the = common semantics
     and other aspects of existing implementations.  = Where there are
     differences, the working group will analyze those = differences and
     make choices that rough consensus considers = technically best, with
     an aim toward minimizing disruption among the = different JSONPath
     implementations.
END

Does that make sense?





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Leiba , "Murray S. Kucherawy" , The IESG X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 623053606.5295351-f1d0e0572e0b5f374ef553a38116a2b8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <83EB4E60-16CE-44D4-8C5C-11259AA06223@tzi.org> References: <160087819228.1978.15537378462505745792@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Glyn Normington X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Jsonpath] Barry Leiba's Block on charter-ietf-jsonpath-00-00: (with BLOCK) X-BeenThere: jsonpath@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: A summary description of the list to be included in the table on this page List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2020 06:26:52 -0000 On 2020-09-28, at 18:49, Glyn Normington wrote: >=20 > I=E2=80=99m willing to act as an editor since I=E2=80=99ve been doing = that for [1]. But it would be handy for have another editor who is = familiar with IETF processes, so perhaps you or Carsten could join me as = an editor and the other could chair the WG? Of course, if others want to = jump in, so much the better=E2=80=A6 As an author (editor): Sure. As a chair (which is what Murray asked for): I=E2=80=99m still = celebrating being free of blue-dot responsibilities since March 2020 = (after having been a chair in one or the other WG since March 2000 for a = total of > 24 chair-years). Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten