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Reviewer: Christian Huitema
Review result: Has Nits

BFD, defined in RFC5880, is a protocol intended to detect faults in the
bidirectional path between two forwarding engines, including interfaces, data
link(s), and to the extent possible the forwarding engines themselves, with
potentially very low latency. The Yang module defined in this draft enables
management of this protocol, such as toggling parameters or receiving
notifications.

As stated in the security section, the module is "to be accessed via the
NETCONF protocol [RFC6241]", and as such its security is pretty much tied to
that of NETCONF.

My only nit comes from reading section 6.8.16 of RFC 5880, about
"Administrative Control". This points to an obvious issue when the
administrator of a router disables BFD on a particular link, either by mistake
or by malice. This will make future failures harder to notify, and can affect
operation of the network. Nothing much can be done about that on the node
itself, but I would expect that disabling BFD would raise some kind of alarm at
the other end of the link. I did not understand how that alarm is described in
the Yang module, but that may be because I am not all that familiar with Yang.


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Shawn,

first of all apologies for the delay in responding to your review.

Thanks for your effort.

Responses inline


On 2018-01-23 01:56, Shawn Emery wrote:
> I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
> ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.
> These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security
> area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these
> comments just like any other last call comments.
>
> This draft specifies how the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) can use the
> non-blocking version of the Interactive Connectivity Establishment 
> (ICE) protocol,
> Trickle ICE, and defines a new registry for this usage.
>
> The security considerations section does exist and defers security 
> concerns to
> draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp, RFC 6086, and draft-ietf-ice-trickle.
>
> 1. draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp
> This will hopefully be available for a secdir review in the near 
> future, see general
> comments concern below.
> 2. RFC 6086
> 6086 prescribes S/MIME if the environment requires payloads to be 
> private and
> also suggests a digest-challenge in order to provide integrity protection.
> 3. draft-ietf-ice-trickle
> defers to draft-ietf-ice-rfc5245bis.  ice-sip should reference the 
> 5245bis draft
> directly. I won't duplicate Stephen's efforts in reviewing 5245bis.
>
> General comments:
>
> I'm concerned about the normative references to ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp.
> This draft should progress before or along with any dependents.
As far as I can tell both draft will be progresses together in order to 
have the contents in-sync
>
> Editorial comments:
>
> Some of the abbreviations that are not expanded and are not listed as well
> known by the RFC Editor:
>
> SDP
> AOR
> STUN
> TURN
> GRUU (needs to be expanded in Section 3.1)
>
> making it cumbersome to follow the specification.
Sorry for that. I'll provide the necessary expansions.

Thanks again for your review!
Regards
Thomas
>
> Shawn.
> --


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    <p><tt>Shawn,</tt></p>
    <p>first of all apologies for the delay in responding to your
      review.</p>
    <p>Thanks for your effort.</p>
    <p><tt>Responses inline</tt></p>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2018-01-23 01:56, Shawn Emery wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAChzXmZVt4hH2KCRk-9iMAsiLT5CuncGPuEX8xw0mr=CDFsbOQ@mail.gmail.com">
      <div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px">I have reviewed this
          document as part of the security directorate's</span><br
          style="font-size:12.8px">
        <span style="font-size:12.8px">ongoing effort to review all <span
class="gmail-m_773398563878481139m_-695948085225974410gmail-m_1623746472089625057gmail-m_-8618428600954061146gmail-m_7708740057377588207m_-5546242983760954135gmail-m_4457086233820409101gmail-m_4728537460569717949m_1367315294398481242gmail-il">IETF</span> documents
          being processed by the IESG.</span><br
          style="font-size:12.8px">
        <span style="font-size:12.8px">These comments were written
          primarily for the benefit of the security</span><br
          style="font-size:12.8px">
        <span style="font-size:12.8px">area directors. Document editors
          and WG chairs should treat these</span><br
          style="font-size:12.8px">
        <span style="font-size:12.8px">comments just like any other last
          call comments.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px">
        <div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
          </span></div>
        <div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px">This draft specifies how the
            Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) can use the</div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px">non-blocking version of the
            Interactive <span style="font-size:12.8px">Connectivity
              Establishment (ICE) protocol,</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Trickle
              ICE, and defines a new registry for this usage.</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px">The security considerations
            section does exist and defers security concerns to</div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px">draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp,
            RFC 6086, and draft-ietf-ice-trickle.</div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px">1. <span
              style="font-size:12.8px">draft-ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">This
              will hopefully be available for a secdir review in the
              near future, see general</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">comments
              concern below.</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">2.
              RFC 6086</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">6086
              prescribes S/MIME if the environment requires payloads to
              be private and</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">also
              suggests a digest-challenge in order to provide integrity
              protection.</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px">3. draft-ietf-ice-trickle</div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px">defers to
            draft-ietf-ice-rfc5245bis.  ice-sip should reference the
            5245bis draft</div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">directly. 
              I won't duplicate Stephen's efforts in reviewing 5245bis.</span></div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px">General comments:</div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px">I'm concerned about the
            normative references to ietf-mmusic-ice-sip-sdp.</div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px">This draft should progress
            before or along with any dependents.</div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    As far as I can tell both draft will be progresses together in order
    to have the contents in-sync
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAChzXmZVt4hH2KCRk-9iMAsiLT5CuncGPuEX8xw0mr=CDFsbOQ@mail.gmail.com">
      <div dir="ltr">
        <div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><br>
          </div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px">Editorial comments:</div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><span
              style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px"><br>
            </span></div>
          <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:13.3333px">Some
                of the abbreviations that are not expanded and are not
                listed as well</span></font></div>
          <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:13.3333px">known
                by the RFC Editor:</span></font></div>
          <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:13.3333px"><br>
              </span></font></div>
          <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:13.3333px">SDP</span></font></div>
          <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:13.3333px">AOR</span></font></div>
          <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:13.3333px">STUN</span></font></div>
          <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:13.3333px">TURN<br>
              </span></font></div>
          <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:13.3333px">GRUU
                (needs to be expanded in Section 3.1)</span></font></div>
          <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:13.3333px"><br>
              </span></font></div>
          <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:13.3333px">making
                it cumbersome to follow the specification.</span></font></div>
        </div>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    Sorry for that. I'll provide the necessary expansions.<br>
    <br>
    Thanks again for your review!<br>
    Regards<br>
    Thomas<br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAChzXmZVt4hH2KCRk-9iMAsiLT5CuncGPuEX8xw0mr=CDFsbOQ@mail.gmail.com">
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          <div><font color="#000000"><span style="font-size:13.3333px"><br>
              </span></font></div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><font color="#000000"><span
                style="font-size:13.3333px">Shawn.</span></font></div>
          <div style="font-size:12.8px"><font color="#000000"><span
                style="font-size:13.3333px">--</span></font></div>
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SECDIR review of draft-ietf- bess-evpn-usage-07

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's 
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the 
IESG.These comments were written with the intent of improving security 
requirements and considerations in IETF drafts.Comments not addressed in 
last call may be included in AD reviews during the IESG review.Document 
editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other 
last call comments.

This document describes the applicability of an Ethernet VPN (EVPN) 
enabled via BGP MPLS, in what the authors say is a “fairly common 
deployment scenario.” It intended status is INFORMATIONAL. The document 
complements RFC 7432, which already defines BGP MPLS-based EVPN technology.

Section 2 (Terminology)

The acronym PE (provider edge?) is used here, but not defined.

Section 3

This section describes the common deployment scenario that is the focus 
of this document. The scenario involves three customer sites; one 
requires multi-homing to two provider access points, while the other two 
sites are single-homed. The goal is to make all three sites appear to be 
on the same Ethernet.

Section 3.2 describes rationale (motivation) for using this technology 
(vs. VPLS) to satisfy the service and redundancy requirements. That’s 
not exactly an “applicability” discussion, but …

Section 4 describes the provisioning model for the chosen deployment 
scenario. Section 5 describes what route update processing capabilities 
are needs by the provider equipment, in support of this deployment 
scenario. Section 6 is rather long; it describes the EVPN initialization 
procedures in detail for MAC-based forwarding. Section 7 provides a 
similar description for MPLS-based forwarding. Section 8 compares the 
two approaches and Section 9 discuss traffic flow optimization (to avoid 
flooding traffic to all sites when such flooding is not needed).

Section 10 (Security Considerations) consists of only one sentence, 
which refers to the corresponding discussion in RFC 7432. Additional 
text should be provided here to explain why this document does not add 
any new security considerations. Presumably the rationale is that the 
provisioning model and initialization procedures described here are a 
subset of the more general discussion in 7432 and thus no new security 
concerns arise as a result of this more detailed information. I am not 
in a position to judge whether that potential rationale is true.

I reviewed the Security Considerations section of RFC 7432. It contains 
about 1.5 pages of text. The first paragraph there cites security 
considerations text in RFCs 4761, 4762, and 4364 and the text there is 
generally well-written. However, there is a significant omission, one 
that should have been noted in the SECDIR review of that document. 
Specifically, 7432 cites NONE of the BGP security RFCs produced by the 
SIDR WG (e.g., RFCs 6480-93 et al), even though they preceded 
publication of that RFC. Since those documents represented the latest 
proposals for improving BGP security at the time, they ought to have 
been cited and a very brief discussion of their relevance to EVPN BGP 
MPLS deployments. I suggest that this document rectify this omission, 
i.e., cite several of the BGP secure origin authentication RFCs, and the 
recent BGPSec RFCs (8205-11), and note the relevance of those standards 
to EVPN BGP MPLS deployments.




Comments on Grammar/Typos

There are a several places in the text where sentences are 
un-grammatical. For example:

“… irrespectively of the number of affected services… “

->

“…irrespective of the number of affected services …”

“ … we can use ingress replication for on EVI100 …”

->

“…we can use ingress replication for EVI100 and …”

“In regards to service interfaces …”

->

“With regard to service interfaces …”

“…(and even suppress) the ARP-flooding.”

->

“…(and even suppress) ARP-flooding.”

“…certain parameters which are not service-specific…”

->

“certain parameters that are not service-specific..”

“In our use-case, besides the above parameters, the same LACP

parameters will be configured in PE1 and PE2 for the ESI, so that CE2

can send different flows to PE1 and PE2 for the same CE-VID as though

they were forming a single system from the CE2 perspective.”

Sentence too long

“E.g.: PE1 and PE2 CE-VID binding …”

->

“For example, PE1 and PE2 CE-VID binding …”

“PE3 is only required to export MAC …”

->

“PE3 is required to export only MAC …”



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        style="font-family:Courier">SECDIR review of draft-ietf-</span>
      <span style="font-family:Courier">bess-evpn-usage-07</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"><span
          style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span></span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal" style="tab-stops:45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt
      229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt
      595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt"><span
style="mso-bidi-font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Courier;mso-bidi-font-family:Courier;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I
        have reviewed this document as part of the
        security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF
        documents being
        processed by the IESG.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>These
        comments
        were written with the intent of improving security requirements
        and
        considerations in IETF drafts.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>Comments
        not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during
        the IESG
        review.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes">  </span>Document editors
        and WG chairs
        should treat these comments just like any other last call
        comments.</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">This document
        describes the
        applicability of an Ethernet VPN (EVPN) enabled via BGP MPLS, in
        what the
        authors say is a “fairly common deployment scenario.” It
        intended status is
        INFORMATIONAL. The document complements RFC 7432, which already
        defines BGP
        MPLS-based EVPN technology.</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">Section 2
        (Terminology)</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">The acronym
        PE (provider
        edge?) is used here, but not defined.</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">Section 3</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">This section
        describes the
        common deployment scenario that is the focus of this document.
        The scenario
        involves three customer sites; one requires multi-homing to two
        provider access
        points, while the other two sites are single-homed. The goal is
        to make all
        three sites appear to be on the same Ethernet.</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">Section 3.2
        describes
        rationale (motivation) for using this technology (vs. VPLS) to
        satisfy the
        service and redundancy requirements. That’s not exactly an
        “applicability”
        discussion, but …</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">Section 4
        describes the
        provisioning model for the chosen deployment scenario. Section 5
        describes what
        route update processing capabilities are needs by the provider
        equipment, in
        support of this deployment scenario. Section 6 is rather long;
        it describes the
        EVPN initialization procedures in detail for MAC-based
        forwarding. Section 7
        provides a similar description for MPLS-based forwarding.
        Section 8 compares
        the two approaches and Section 9 discuss traffic flow
        optimization (to avoid
        flooding traffic to all sites when such flooding is not needed).
      </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">Section 10
        (Security
        Considerations) consists of only one sentence, which refers to
        the
        corresponding discussion in RFC 7432. Additional text should be
        provided here
        to explain why this document does not add any new security
        considerations. Presumably
        the rationale is that the provisioning model and initialization
        procedures
        described here are a subset of the more general discussion in
        7432 and thus no
        new security concerns arise as a result of this more detailed
        information. I am
        not in a position to judge whether that potential rationale is
        true.</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">I reviewed
        the Security
        Considerations section of RFC 7432. It contains about 1.5 pages
        of text. The
        first paragraph there cites security considerations text in RFCs
        4761, 4762,
        and 4364 and the text there is generally well-written. However,
        there is a significant
        omission, one that should have been noted in the SECDIR review
        of that
        document. Specifically, 7432 cites NONE of the BGP security RFCs
        produced by
        the SIDR WG (e.g., RFCs 6480-93 et al), even though they
        preceded publication
        of that RFC. Since those documents represented the latest
        proposals for
        improving BGP security at the time, they ought to have been
        cited and a very
        brief discussion of their relevance to EVPN BGP MPLS
        deployments. I suggest
        that this document rectify this omission, i.e., cite several of
        the BGP secure
        origin authentication RFCs, and the recent BGPSec RFCs
        (8205-11), and note the
        relevance of those standards to EVPN BGP MPLS deployments.</span></p>
    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"><br>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">“…irrespective
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">“ … we
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">“…we can
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            replication for EVI100 and …”</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">“In
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">“With
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">“…(and
            even suppress) the ARP-flooding.”</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">-&gt;</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">“…(and
            even suppress) ARP-flooding.”</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier"> </span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">“…certain
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">-&gt;</span></p>
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">“For
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Courier">“PE3 is
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On February 2, 2018 at 1:16:28 PM, Stephen Kent (stkent@verizon.net) wrote:

Steve:

Hi!  How are you?

...

Section 10 (Security Considerations) consists of only one sentence, which
refers to the corresponding discussion in RFC 7432. Additional text should
be provided here to explain why this document does not add any new security
considerations. Presumably the rationale is that the provisioning model and
initialization procedures described here are a subset of the more general
discussion in 7432 and thus no new security concerns arise as a result of
this more detailed information. I am not in a position to judge whether
that potential rationale is true.

Fair enough.

I reviewed the Security Considerations section of RFC 7432. It contains
about 1.5 pages of text. The first paragraph there cites security
considerations text in RFCs 4761, 4762, and 4364 and the text there is
generally well-written. However, there is a significant omission, one that
should have been noted in the SECDIR review of that document. Specifically,
7432 cites NONE of the BGP security RFCs produced by the SIDR WG (e.g.,
RFCs 6480-93 et al), even though they preceded publication of that RFC.
Since those documents represented the latest proposals for improving BGP
security at the time, they ought to have been cited and a very brief
discussion of their relevance to EVPN BGP MPLS deployments. I suggest that
this document rectify this omission, i.e., cite several of the BGP secure
origin authentication RFCs, and the recent BGPSec RFCs (8205-11), and note
the relevance of those standards to EVPN BGP MPLS deployments.

The work from sidr doesn=E2=80=99t directly apply to EVPN simply because th=
e ROAs
and BGPSec have been specified only for IPv4/IPv6 and not for the Address
Family used by EVPN.

Maybe a statement like that is what you=E2=80=99re looking for =E2=80=94 bu=
t I don=E2=80=99t think
it is appropriate to go any further in this document.
Thanks!

Alvaro.

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=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font face=3D"Helvetica"><br></font></div>=
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font fa=
ce=3D"Helvetica">Steve:</font></div><div id=3D"bloop_customfont" style=3D"c=
olor:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font face=3D"Helvetica"><br></font></div><div =
id=3D"bloop_customfont" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font face=3D=
"Helvetica">Hi!=C2=A0 How are you?</font></div><div id=3D"bloop_customfont"=
 style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font face=3D"Helvetica"><br></font>=
</div><div id=3D"bloop_customfont" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><f=
ont face=3D"Helvetica">...</font></div> <div><blockquote type=3D"cite" clas=
s=3D"clean_bq" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text=
-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-sp=
acing:0px"><span><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001=
pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-ali=
gn:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacin=
g:0px"><font face=3D"Helvetica">Section 10 (Security Considerations) consis=
ts of only one sentence, which refers to the corresponding discussion in RF=
C 7432. Additional text should be provided here to explain why this documen=
t does not add any new security considerations. Presumably the rationale is=
 that the provisioning model and initialization procedures described here a=
re a subset of the more general discussion in 7432 and thus no new security=
 concerns arise as a result of this more detailed information. I am not in =
a position to judge whether that potential rationale is true.</font></p></d=
iv></span></blockquote></div><p><font face=3D"Helvetica">Fair enough.</font=
></p><div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"clean_bq" style=3D"font-v=
ariant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;t=
ext-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span><p class=3D"M=
soNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-variant-ca=
ps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-trans=
form:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font face=3D"Helvetica">I r=
eviewed the Security Considerations section of RFC 7432. It contains about =
1.5 pages of text. The first paragraph there cites security considerations =
text in RFCs 4761, 4762, and 4364 and the text there is generally well-writ=
ten. However, there is a significant omission, one that should have been no=
ted in the SECDIR review of that document. Specifically, 7432 cites NONE of=
 the BGP security RFCs produced by the SIDR WG (e.g., RFCs 6480-93 et al), =
even though they preceded publication of that RFC. Since those documents re=
presented the latest proposals for improving BGP security at the time, they=
 ought to have been cited and a very brief discussion of their relevance to=
 EVPN BGP MPLS deployments. I suggest that this document rectify this omiss=
ion, i.e., cite several of the BGP secure origin authentication RFCs, and t=
he recent BGPSec RFCs (8205-11), and note the relevance of those standards =
to EVPN BGP MPLS deployments.</font></p></span></blockquote></div><p><font =
face=3D"Helvetica">The work from sidr doesn=E2=80=99t directly apply to EVP=
N simply because the ROAs and BGPSec have been specified only for IPv4/IPv6=
 and not for the Address Family used by EVPN.</font></p><p><font face=3D"He=
lvetica">Maybe a statement like that is what you=E2=80=99re looking for =E2=
=80=94 but I don=E2=80=99t think it is appropriate to go any further in thi=
s document.</font></p><div><font face=3D"Helvetica">Thanks!</font></div><di=
v><font face=3D"Helvetica"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"Helvetica">A=
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Alvaro,
> On February 2, 2018 at 1:16:28 PM, Stephen Kent (stkent@verizon.net 
> <mailto:stkent@verizon.net>) wrote:
>
> Steve:
>
> Hi!  How are you?
I'm well. Thanks for asking.
>
> ...
>>
>> Section 10 (Security Considerations) consists of only one sentence, 
>> which refers to the corresponding discussion in RFC 7432. Additional 
>> text should be provided here to explain why this document does not 
>> add any new security considerations. Presumably the rationale is that 
>> the provisioning model and initialization procedures described here 
>> are a subset of the more general discussion in 7432 and thus no new 
>> security concerns arise as a result of this more detailed 
>> information. I am not in a position to judge whether that potential 
>> rationale is true.
>>
> Fair enough.
>
Good.
>>
>> I reviewed the Security Considerations section of RFC 7432. It 
>> contains about 1.5 pages of text. The first paragraph there cites 
>> security considerations text in RFCs 4761, 4762, and 4364 and the 
>> text there is generally well-written. However, there is a significant 
>> omission, one that should have been noted in the SECDIR review of 
>> that document. Specifically, 7432 cites NONE of the BGP security RFCs 
>> produced by the SIDR WG (e.g., RFCs 6480-93 et al), even though they 
>> preceded publication of that RFC. Since those documents represented 
>> the latest proposals for improving BGP security at the time, they 
>> ought to have been cited and a very brief discussion of their 
>> relevance to EVPN BGP MPLS deployments. I suggest that this document 
>> rectify this omission, i.e., cite several of the BGP secure origin 
>> authentication RFCs, and the recent BGPSec RFCs (8205-11), and note 
>> the relevance of those standards to EVPN BGP MPLS deployments.
>>
> The work from sidr doesn’t directly apply to EVPN simply because the 
> ROAs and BGPSec have been specified only for IPv4/IPv6 and not for the 
> Address Family used by EVPN.
>
> Maybe a statement like that is what you’re looking for — but I don’t 
> think it is appropriate to go any further in this document.
>
A statement explaining why AS origin authentication and BGPSec are not 
relevant would address my concerns.

Thanks,

Stevce

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Alvaro,<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAMMESsyfe=NL-HwMES5yCUgDhSzkdrN6cpycV3WjNKEJscPo3w@mail.gmail.com">
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      <div id="bloop_customfont" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font
          face="Helvetica">On February 2, 2018 at 1:16:28 PM, Stephen
          Kent (<a href="mailto:stkent@verizon.net"
            moz-do-not-send="true">stkent@verizon.net</a>) wrote:</font></div>
      <div id="bloop_customfont" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font
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      <div id="bloop_customfont" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font
          face="Helvetica">Steve:</font></div>
      <div id="bloop_customfont" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font
          face="Helvetica"><br>
        </font></div>
      <div id="bloop_customfont" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font
          face="Helvetica">Hi!  How are you?</font></div>
    </blockquote>
    <font face="Helvetica">I'm well. Thanks for asking.</font><br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAMMESsyfe=NL-HwMES5yCUgDhSzkdrN6cpycV3WjNKEJscPo3w@mail.gmail.com">
      <div id="bloop_customfont" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font
          face="Helvetica"><br>
        </font></div>
      <div id="bloop_customfont" style="color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><font
          face="Helvetica">...</font></div>
      <div>
        <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"
style="font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span>
            <div>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font
                  face="Helvetica">Section 10 (Security Considerations)
                  consists of only one sentence, which refers to the
                  corresponding discussion in RFC 7432. Additional text
                  should be provided here to explain why this document
                  does not add any new security considerations.
                  Presumably the rationale is that the provisioning
                  model and initialization procedures described here are
                  a subset of the more general discussion in 7432 and
                  thus no new security concerns arise as a result of
                  this more detailed information. I am not in a position
                  to judge whether that potential rationale is true.</font></p>
            </div>
          </span></blockquote>
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      <p><font face="Helvetica">Fair enough.</font></p>
    </blockquote>
    <font face="Helvetica">Good.</font><br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:CAMMESsyfe=NL-HwMES5yCUgDhSzkdrN6cpycV3WjNKEJscPo3w@mail.gmail.com">
      <div>
        <div>
          <blockquote type="cite" class="clean_bq"
style="font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><span>
              <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0in 0in
0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><font
                  face="Helvetica">I reviewed the Security
                  Considerations section of RFC 7432. It contains about
                  1.5 pages of text. The first paragraph there cites
                  security considerations text in RFCs 4761, 4762, and
                  4364 and the text there is generally well-written.
                  However, there is a significant omission, one that
                  should have been noted in the SECDIR review of that
                  document. Specifically, 7432 cites NONE of the BGP
                  security RFCs produced by the SIDR WG (e.g., RFCs
                  6480-93 et al), even though they preceded publication
                  of that RFC. Since those documents represented the
                  latest proposals for improving BGP security at the
                  time, they ought to have been cited and a very brief
                  discussion of their relevance to EVPN BGP MPLS
                  deployments. I suggest that this document rectify this
                  omission, i.e., cite several of the BGP secure origin
                  authentication RFCs, and the recent BGPSec RFCs
                  (8205-11), and note the relevance of those standards
                  to EVPN BGP MPLS deployments.</font></p>
            </span></blockquote>
        </div>
        <p><font face="Helvetica">The work from sidr doesn’t directly
            apply to EVPN simply because the ROAs and BGPSec have been
            specified only for IPv4/IPv6 and not for the Address Family
            used by EVPN.</font></p>
        <p><font face="Helvetica">Maybe a statement like that is what
            you’re looking for — but I don’t think it is appropriate to
            go any further in this document.</font></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <font face="Helvetica">A statement explaining why AS origin
      authentication and BGPSec are not relevant would address my
      concerns.<br>
      <br>
      Thanks,<br>
      <br>
      Stevce<br>
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   Hello,

   I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat
these comments just like any other last call comments.

   This draft defines a new message to tell TRILL implementations to
flush certain reachability information it has learned. It seems quite
extensible and complete. The security considerations are adequate and
discuss what would happen if these messages are not secured.

   The draft is "Ready" for publication.

   One editorial nit (to show I really did read it!): in section 2.2,
"...where using a set of contiguous blocks if cumbersome." should be
"is cumbersome" I think.

   regards,

   Dan.



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    <pre class="wiki">  I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's 
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the 
IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the 
security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat 
these comments just like any other last call comments.

  This draft defines a new message to tell TRILL implementations to
flush certain reachability information it has learned. It seems quite
extensible and complete. The security considerations are adequate and
discuss what would happen if these messages are not secured. 

  The draft is "Ready" for publication.

  One editorial nit (to show I really did read it!): in section 2.2,
"...where using a set of contiguous blocks if cumbersome." should be
"is cumbersome" I think.

  regards,

  Dan.


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Hi Dan,

Thanks for your review.

I've fixed the typo you noticed in the current source file so it should get
fixed the next time a revision is uploaded.

Thanks,
Donald
===============================
 Donald E. Eastlake 3rd   +1-508-333-2270 (cell)
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On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Dan Harkins <dharkins@lounge.org> wrote:

>
>   Hello,
>
>   I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
> ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
> IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
> security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat
> these comments just like any other last call comments.
>
>   This draft defines a new message to tell TRILL implementations to
> flush certain reachability information it has learned. It seems quite
> extensible and complete. The security considerations are adequate and
> discuss what would happen if these messages are not secured.
>
>   The draft is "Ready" for publication.
>
>   One editorial nit (to show I really did read it!): in section 2.2,
> "...where using a set of contiguous blocks if cumbersome." should be
> "is cumbersome" I think.
>
>   regards,
>
>   Dan.
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Dan,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your review.</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>I&#39;ve fixed the typo you noticed in the current source=
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data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">Thanks,<br>Donald<br>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Dan Harkins =
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nk">dharkins@lounge.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
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security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat=20
these comments just like any other last call comments.

  This draft defines a new message to tell TRILL implementations to
flush certain reachability information it has learned. It seems quite
extensible and complete. The security considerations are adequate and
discuss what would happen if these messages are not secured.=20

  The draft is &quot;Ready&quot; for publication.

  One editorial nit (to show I really did read it!): in section 2.2,
&quot;...where using a set of contiguous blocks if cumbersome.&quot; should=
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  regards,

  Dan.


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I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat
these comments just like any other last call comments.

The summary of the review is Ready With Issues.

I agree somewhat with the Major Concerns in Russ Housley's Gen-ART
review
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model-05-genart-lc-housley-2018-01-20/
although I disagree that it makes the document Not Ready.

> Major Concerns:
>
> Section 4 listed three data nodes that are sensitive or vulnerable:
>    -  /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element
>    -  /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element/managed
>    -  /if:interfaces/if:interface/bind-lne-name
>
> All three of them deserve a bit more discussion, although the middle
> one is covered in much more detail than the other two.  If a bad actor
> gets "unauthorized access" is there something more specific about each
> of these that can be said?  The characterization of "network
> malfunctions, delivery of packets to inappropriate destinations, and
> other problems" seems very broad.  Consequences that are specific to
> these data nodes would be more helpful to the reader.

My limited understanding is that there is a lot of variation in the
security impact among specific equipment models and deployment
scenarios.  Therefore, they would likely need to be analyzed on a
case-by-case basis.  Perhaps there should be Security Considerations
text to this effect, maybe with some broad guidance about how to do such
an analysis?

For example, does changing the "bind-lne-name" of an interface have the
effect of making it unavailable to the LNE it was previously associated
with, while providing the new LNE with an unconfigured new interface?
Or does it also carry some configuration or routing state from the
former LNE with it to the new LNE?  The latter might have a greater
security impact.

This final paragraph in the Security Considerations of this document
seems copied almost verbatim from that of RFC 8022:

>    Unauthorized access to any of these lists can adversely affect the
>    security of both the local device and the network.  This may lead to
>    network malfunctions, delivery of packets to inappropriate
>    destinations, and other problems.

That seems to have been acceptable for RFC 8022, but perhaps we should
do better here?  Or do we follow the precedent that this level of
detail in the Security Considerations of YANG specifications is
acceptable?

Best regards,
-Taylor


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Jorge,

> Kent,
>
Steve is my first name.
>
> Thank you very much for your comments.
>
> I have fixed the grammar errors, added PE to the terminology section
>
great
>
> and added this to the security section:
>
> The procedures described in this document are a subset of the 
> procedures in [RFC7432] and thus no new security concerns arise.
>
fine.

How about adding a couple of sentences after that, noting why the SIDR 
BGP origin authentication and route security RFCs are not relevant, e.g.,

"The standards produced by the SIDR WG, which address secure route 
origin authentication (e.g., RFCs 6480-93) and route advertisement 
security (e.g., RFCs 8205-11) do not apply here. This is because EVPNs  
rely on BGP to convey information about Ethernet address space, not 
IPv4/v6 address space."

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    fine.<br>
    <br>
    How about adding a couple of sentences after that, noting why the
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    relevant, e.g.,<br>
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Reviewer: Tero Kivinen
Review result: Ready

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat
these comments just like any other last call comments.

This document describes how Network Virtualization Overlays (NVO) can 
be connected to a Wide Area Network (WAN) in order to extend the
layer-2 connectivity required for some tenants.

The security considerations section refers to several other documents
describing other technologies (RFC7432], [EVPN-Overlays], [RFC7623], 
[RFC4761] and [RFC4762]) and continues to describe that the "DCI using
GWs" method covered by this document is more secure than the other
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Derek Atkins           2018-02-22 draft-ietf-bier-mvpn-09
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Reviewer: Stephen Farrell
Review result: Ready

The diff from -16 to -17 resolved the issues I raised earlier so 
this one seems ready to me. 


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Jorge,

> [JORGE] hmm... how about this instead:
>
> “The standards produced by the SIDR WG, which address secure route 
> origin authentication (e.g., RFCs 6480-93) and route advertisement 
> security (e.g., RFCs 8205-11) do not apply to the EVPN family, hence 
> they are not relevant to [RFC7432] or this document.”
>
> The reason is because EVPN conveys Ethernet address space but also 
> some other information.
>
First, I'm not sure if the sentence immediately above is intended to be 
part of the text, or if it is a comment to me.  I'm, assuming the 
latter, in which case I think more info would help the reader to 
understand why those RFCs are not applicable. Saying that the RFCs "do 
not apply to the EVPN family" does not seem clear enough, although I 
agree that noting RFC 7432 is a good idea.. How about:

“The standards produced by the SIDR WG address secure route origin 
authentication (e.g., RFCs 6480-93) and route advertisement security 
(e.g., RFCs 8205-11). They protect the integrity and authenticity of IP 
address advertisements and ASN/IP prefix bindings. This document, and 
[RFC7432], use BGP to convey other info, e.g., MAC addresses, and thus 
the protections offered by the SIDR WG RFCs are not applicable in this 
context."

Steve

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    <p>Jorge,<span style="font-family:Consolas"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:AA54F427-E09D-4E49-BE03-051EDAF5EEC7@nokia.com"
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              style="font-family:Consolas">[JORGE] hmm... how about this
              instead:<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">“The standards
            produced by the SIDR WG, which address secure route origin
            authentication (e.g., RFCs 6480-93) and route advertisement
            security (e.g., RFCs 8205-11) do not apply to the EVPN
            family, hence they are not relevant to [RFC7432] or this
            document.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">The reason is because
            EVPN conveys Ethernet address space but also some other
            information.</span></p>
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    </blockquote>
    First, I'm not sure if the sentence immediately above is intended to
    be part of the text, or if it is a comment to me.  I'm, assuming the
    latter, in which case I think more info would help the reader to
    understand why those RFCs are not applicable. Saying that the RFCs
    "do not apply to the EVPN family" does not seem clear enough,
    although I agree that noting RFC 7432 is a good idea.. How about:<br>
    <br>
    <span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody">“The standards produced
      by the SIDR WG address secure route origin authentication (e.g.,
      RFCs 6480-93) and route advertisement security (e.g., RFCs
      8205-11). They protect the integrity and authenticity of IP
      address advertisements and ASN/IP prefix bindings. This document,
      and  </span><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"><span
        style="mso-bookmark:_MailOriginalBody"> [RFC7432], use BGP to
        convey other info, e.g., MAC addresses, and thus the protections
        offered by the SIDR WG RFCs are not applicable in this context."</span><br>
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      Steve<br>
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Reviewer: Barry Leiba
Review result: Ready

This document fills a gap created by RFC 6275 by creating a necessary IANA
registry.  The document is well written and ready to go, with no security
implications that I can imagine.

I read Al Morton's OpsDir review.  Commenting on that:
- I think the document can go ahead with or without the changes that Al
suggests, but... - I agree that it'd be useful to show the reserved bits in the
registry table, except that I'd give the reference for it as RFC 4861, not
6275. - The text in Section 4 already does say what the registration policy is,
and I don't think "or IESG Approval" should be added. - I don't think it's
necessary to add "updates 6275", though I wouldn't object to it. - I agree that
adding section references would be nice.  I found the fields easily by
searching on their names, but I'm a general fan of using section references to
make things clearer to readers.

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I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing=
 effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  These co=
mments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area director=
s.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like an=
y other last call comments.


This specification defines an enhancement to the RTP Control Protocol (RTCP=
) defined in RFC3264. The enhancement allows multiple items over a single R=
TP channel with interleaved packets. This is harder than one would expect i=
n part because the protocol change has to deal with backward compatibility =
and interoperability between implementations that include the enhancement a=
nd those that don't.


While I can't claim to have understood the entire spec, I can confidently a=
gree with the authors that this enhancement does not change the security co=
nsiderations from those specified in RFCs 3264 and 5888.


Other thoughts:


The use of the term "Unique Address" for the combination of an IP address a=
nd a port number is a little confusing, especially when interleaved with re=
ferences to 5-tuples as connection identifiers. Since this protocol is alwa=
ys (?) transmitted over UDP, it would be good to mention somewhere that two=
 unique addresses together make a connection identifier (where UDP is impli=
ed) and that a Unique Address is the combination of an IP address and a UDP=
 port number.


Given the large numbers of NATs out there, I'm surprised the protocol does =
not make itself a little more NAT friendly by allowing an address specifica=
tion with an ability to specify "The IP address from which this message is =
arriving" so that NAT'd connections will be handled correctly (at least in =
the most common case).


Section 18 (examples) is a very welcome addition that I wish were present i=
n more RFCs. It goes a long way toward making otherwise difficult to parse =
sections of the document more comprehensible.


 --Charlie




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<p>I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongo=
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These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area =
directors.&nbsp; Document editors and WG chairs
 should treat these comments just like any other last call comments.</p>
<p><br>
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<p>This specification defines an enhancement to the RTP Control Protocol (R=
TCP) defined in RFC3264. The enhancement allows multiple items over a singl=
e RTP channel with interleaved packets. This is harder than one would expec=
t in part because the protocol change
 has to deal with backward compatibility and interoperability between imple=
mentations that include the enhancement and those that don't.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>While I can't claim to have understood the entire spec, I can confidentl=
y agree with the authors that this enhancement does not change the security=
 considerations from those specified in RFCs 3264 and 5888.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Other thoughts:</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>The use of the term &quot;Unique Address&quot; for the combination of an=
 IP address and a port number is a little confusing, especially when interl=
eaved with references to 5-tuples as connection identifiers. Since this pro=
tocol is always (?) transmitted over UDP,
 it would be good to mention somewhere that two unique addresses together m=
ake a connection identifier (where UDP is implied) and that a Unique Addres=
s is the combination of an IP address and a UDP port number.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Given the large numbers of NATs out there, I'm surprised the protocol do=
es not make itself a little more NAT friendly by allowing an address specif=
ication with an ability to specify &quot;The IP address from which this mes=
sage is arriving&quot; so that NAT'd connections
 will be handled correctly (at least in the most common case).</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Section 18 (examples) is a very welcome addition that I wish were presen=
t in more RFCs. It goes a long way toward making otherwise difficult to par=
se sections of the document more comprehensible.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>&nbsp;--Charlie</p>
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Hi Charlie,

Thanks for your review! Please see inline.


>I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoin=
g effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  These >=
comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area direct=
ors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like =
any >other last call comments.

>

>This specification defines an enhancement to the RTP Control Protocol (RTC=
P) defined in RFC3264. The enhancement allows multiple items over a single =
>RTP channel with interleaved packets. This is harder than one would expect=
 in part because the protocol change has to deal with backward compatibilit=
y >and interoperability between implementations that include the enhancemen=
t and those that don't.

>

>While I can't claim to have understood the entire spec, I can confidently =
agree with the authors that this enhancement does not change the security >=
considerations from those specified in RFCs 3264 and 5888.

>

>Other thoughts:

>

>The use of the term "Unique Address" for the combination of an IP address =
and a port number is a little confusing, especially when interleaved with >=
references to 5-tuples as connection identifiers. Since this protocol is al=
ways (?) transmitted over UDP, it would be good to mention somewhere that t=
wo >unique addresses together make a connection identifier (where UDP is im=
plied) and that a Unique Address is the combination of an IP address and a =
UDP >port number.



"Unique Address" will be changed to "Unique Address:Port", similar to e.g.,=
 "BUNDLE Address:Port". The definition already indicates that it includes t=
he port:



      "Unique address: An address:port combination that is assigned to only=
 one "m=3D" section in an offer or answer."



> Given the large numbers of NATs out there, I'm surprised the protocol doe=
s not make itself a little more NAT friendly by

> allowing an address specification with an ability to specify "The IP addr=
ess from which this message is arriving" so that

> NAT'd connections will be handled correctly (at least in the most common =
case).



In SDP Offer/Answer (RFC 3264) you always indicate the address:port where y=
ou will RECEIVE media. That has caused some problems every now and then, bu=
t it's not within the scope of the draft to change that.



However, BUNDLE actually mandates usage of the SAME address:port for both s=
ending AND receiving media, so in practise you DO indicate from where media=
 will be sent :)



>Section 18 (examples) is a very welcome addition that I wish were present =
in more RFCs. It goes a

>long way toward making otherwise difficult to parse sections of the docume=
nt more comprehensible.



Good :)



It is also worth noting that, as BUNDLE is an extension to RFC 3264 (SDP Of=
fer/Answer), one needs to be familiar with that specification in order to f=
ully understand BUNDLE.



Regards,



Christer



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks for=
 your review! Please see inline.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span sty=
le=3D"color:black">I have reviewed this document as part of the security di=
rectorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by =
the IESG.&nbsp; These
</span>&gt;<span style=3D"color:black">comments were written primarily for =
the benefit of the security area directors.&nbsp; Document editors and WG c=
hairs should treat these comments just like any
</span>&gt;<span style=3D"color:black">other last call comments.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span sty=
le=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span sty=
le=3D"color:black">This specification defines an enhancement to the RTP Con=
trol Protocol (RTCP) defined in RFC3264. The enhancement allows multiple it=
ems over a single
</span>&gt;<span style=3D"color:black">RTP channel with interleaved packets=
. This is harder than one would expect in part because the protocol change =
has to deal with backward compatibility
</span>&gt;<span style=3D"color:black">and interoperability between impleme=
ntations that include the enhancement and those that don't.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span sty=
le=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span sty=
le=3D"color:black">While I can't claim to have understood the entire spec, =
I can confidently agree with the authors that this enhancement does not cha=
nge the security
</span>&gt;<span style=3D"color:black">considerations from those specified =
in RFCs 3264 and 5888.<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span sty=
le=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span sty=
le=3D"color:black">Other thoughts:<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span sty=
le=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span sty=
le=3D"color:black">The use of the term &quot;Unique Address&quot; for the c=
ombination of an IP address and a port number is a little confusing, especi=
ally when interleaved with
</span>&gt;<span style=3D"color:black">references to 5-tuples as connection=
 identifiers. Since this protocol is always (?) transmitted over UDP, it wo=
uld be good to mention somewhere that two
</span>&gt;<span style=3D"color:black">unique addresses together make a con=
nection identifier (where UDP is implied) and that a Unique Address is the =
combination of an IP address and a UDP
</span>&gt;<span style=3D"color:black">port number.<o:p></o:p></span></span=
></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if">&#8220;Unique Address&#8221; will be changed to &#8220;Unique Address:P=
ort&#8221;, similar to e.g., &#8220;BUNDLE Address:Port&#8221;. The definit=
ion already indicates that it includes the port:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &#8220;Unique address: An address:port c=
ombination that is assigned to only one &quot;m=3D&quot; section in an offe=
r or answer.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt; <span st=
yle=3D"color:black">Given the large numbers of NATs out there, I'm surprise=
d the protocol does not make itself a little more NAT friendly by</span><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if">&gt;</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:black"> allowing an address specification with an ability to specify &q=
uot;The IP address from which this message is arriving&quot; so that
</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if">&gt; </span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;c=
olor:black">NAT'd connections will be handled correctly (at least in the mo=
st common case).</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if">In SDP Offer/Answer (RFC 3264) you always indicate the address:port whe=
re you will RECEIVE media. That has caused some problems every now and then=
, but it&#8217;s not within the scope of the draft
 to change that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if">However, BUNDLE actually mandates usage of the SAME address:port for bo=
th sending AND receiving media, so in practise you DO indicate from where m=
edia will be sent :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&gt;<span sty=
le=3D"color:black">Section 18 (examples) is a very welcome addition that I =
wish were present in more RFCs. It goes a
</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if">&gt;</span><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:black">long way toward making otherwise difficult to parse sections of =
the document more comprehensible.</span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if">Good :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if">It is also worth noting that, as BUNDLE is an extension to RFC 3264 (SD=
P Offer/Answer), one needs to be familiar with that specification in order =
to fully understand BUNDLE.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
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I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
IESG. Document editors and others should treat these comments just like any
other late last call comments.

The summary of the review is Ready.

This document specifies a new "None" value for the Next Hop Protocol field
of the NSH header and places some implementation conditions on its use. It
lists some use case types for such packets, which would have NSH meta data
but no following protocol data, but does not fully specify any particular
use.

The Security Considerations section in conjunction with the implementation
conditions in the document seems more than adequate for the mere additional
of this field value. Additional Security Considerations will be required in
future documents specifying particular uses of this field value.

Draft references should be updated when they have issued as RFCs but I'm
sure the RFC Editor will handle this.

My apologies that this review is late.

Thanks,
Donald
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Reviewer: Adam Montville
Review result: Not Ready

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  These
comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors.
 Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other
last call comments.

The security ADs may prefer to see an elaborated Security Considerations
section. From my perspective, the single sentence seeking to ensure that
malformed TLV and Sub-TLV permutations don't result in hard OSPF failures is
insufficient. What could be the outcome of such hard failures (i.e. what does
an implementer need to understand about not heeding such considerations)? Also,
a reader might presume that there are no additional BIER security
considerations not otherwise handled in RFCs 8279 and 8296 respectively. If
such a presumption is correct, then I would recommend explicitly stating so and
perhaps even referring the reader to those Security Considerations for anything
that may apply to this extension. Finally, in the first sentence of the
Security Considerations, there exists "must" - is that intended to be MUST?

I don't have any further comments on this draft from a nit perspective nor from
an efficacy perspective when it comes to routing, as this isn't my area of
expertise.

Kind regards,

Adam



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Hi all,

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's 
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the 
IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the 
security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat 
these comments just like any other last call comments.

>From a security perspective, this document is Ready.  It specifies a
standard scheme that can be used to back off SPF calculations during
periods of frequent IGP events, avoiding excessive resource
consumption performing calculations that would be rendered redundant
(or just be useless) soon.  The security considerations correctly
note that an attacker that can generate IGP events would be able to
delay the IGP convergence time, which is true both for this scheme
and all schemes previously in use.  (I might use more words to say
the same thing if I was writing it, but that probably reflects more
on me than the document.)


I do have some questions about the actual proposed FSM, though -- I
suspect that I am just making some implicit assumptions that may not
be grounded in reality.  In particular, I am basically assuming that
INITIAL_SPF_DELAY < SHORT_SPF_DELAY < LONG_SPF_DELAY <
HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL.  (The draft itself only has it as RECOMMENDED for
SPF_INITIAL_DELAY <= SPF_SHORT_DELAY <= SPF_LONG_DELAY in Section 6,
yes, with the different spellings, but has a MUST for
HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL > TIME_TO_LEARN_INTERVAL.)
This would potentially affect the state machine for events 1, 6, and
7.

In transition 1, we say to only start the SPF_TIMER if it is not already
running, but I do not see a way for it to already be running unless
the HOLDDOWN_TIMER value is less than one or more of the SPF_TIMER
values.

Similarly, I don't see how transition 7 could ever happen, since an IGP
event moves us out of the QUIET state, and I assume that the
SPF_TIMER would fire before the HOLDDOWN_TIMER, since the latter is
reset on every IGP event and I assume the latter has a larger value.

Transition 6 is a little less clear, but is also similar -- if
HOLDDOWN_TIMER is larger than LEARN_TIMER, then LEARN_TIMER must
fire before HOLDDOWN_TIMER, and we leave SHORT_WAIT to go to
LONG_WAIT before we could consider leaving SHORT_WAIT to go back to
QUIET.

So, am I making some flawed assumptions?  (Are there examples of
situations that clearly demonstrate the flaw?)


Also, to confirm my understanding, suppose a scenario happens where
an IGP participant sees an event, then a gap of 100ms, then three
IGP events at equal 10ms intervals, with the SPF delays at the
example values of 0/50/2000 ms and TIME_TO_LEARN of 1s.  The first
event triggers a SPF computation immediately, then we go to
SHORT_WAIT, the first of the three events kicks off a SPF_TIMER for
50ms, which is reset by the next two events, the SPF timer fires and
we recompute the SPF, then TIME_TO_LEARN fires and we go to
LONG_WAIT until the HOLDDOWN_TIMER fires.  Or maybe the SPF
calculation takes more than 200ms, so when the second IGP event
fires, we abort the currently in-progress calculation and don't
start another one until 50ms after the last event?  I bring this up
because of the text in the second paragraph of Section 4 that talks
of computing the post-failure routing table in "a single route
computation".  But if I understand correctly, the *single*
computation only happens in the second case here, when the
calculation takes some hundreds of milliseconds; otherwise we still
have *two* computations (one triggered while we're in QUIET and the
second triggered in SHORT_DELAY).  So I'm not sure I fully
understand the expected scenario.


I also am probably having some problems with terminology, presumably
just my misunderstanding, which hopefully can be set straight
easily.

In the Introduction, we have a "desire to compute a new Shortest
Path First (SPF) as soon as a failure is detected", which is using
SPF as it is a data structure (e.g., the result of an algorithm),
whereas my intuition has SPF referring to the algorithm [class] but
not its output.

In section 3, we talk of "computation of the routing table, by the
IGP", which gets me confused about whether "the IGP" represents a
network protocol for conveying (e.g.) link state information, an
algorithm for SPF computation, or a router that performs SPF
computations.

In section 6 we talk of "the number of protocols
reactions/computations triggered by IGP SPF".  Is this just in the sense
of "each SPF calculation triggers a bunch of other stuff"?  I think
this is another case about me being confused whether "SPF" means an
algorithm, a specific computation using that algorithm, etc.



Some other editorial notes:

It's probably better to cite RFC 8174 instead of/in addition to RFC
2119, especially since there is at least a lowercase "may" present.

It's unclear that "temporally close" in "multiple temporally close
failures over a short time" really adds any value, in the
Introduction.

In section 2, last bullet point on page 3, "SPF_DELAY timers values"
probably doesn't need the plural "timers" (so, either "timer" or
the possessive "timers'"), though I am mindful of the recent
discussion on ietf@ about (non-)American English.  The second
sentence of the bullet is also a sentence fragment and not a
complete sentence.

SRLG is used without expansion in multiple places, but does not
appear on https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt
as a "well-known" abbreviation.

In section 6, we find the awkward construction "play it safe and
start with safe, i.e., longer timers".  Probably we want to say
"safe values" as the noun, and maybe consider rewording to avoid the
duplicate "safe" and/or the colloquialism "play it safe".

Section 8 says:

   [...]. FIBs
   are installed after multiple steps such as flooding of the IGP event
   across the network, SPF wait time, SPF computation, FIB distribution
   across line cards, and FIB update.  This document only addresses the
   first contribution.

which makes me try to match up "the first contribution" with the
flooding, when I assume it's meant to match up with the SPF wait
time.

-Benjamin


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Hi Taylor,

     Please see responses below.


On 2/6/2018 7:40 PM, Taylor Yu wrote:
> I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
> ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
> IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
> security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat
> these comments just like any other last call comments.
>
> The summary of the review is Ready With Issues.
>
> I agree somewhat with the Major Concerns in Russ Housley's Gen-ART
> review
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/review-ietf-rtgwg-lne-model-05-genart-lc-housley-2018-01-20/
> although I disagree that it makes the document Not Ready.
>
>> Major Concerns:
>>
>> Section 4 listed three data nodes that are sensitive or vulnerable:
>>     -  /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element
>>     -  /logical-network-elements/logical-network-element/managed
>>     -  /if:interfaces/if:interface/bind-lne-name
>>
>> All three of them deserve a bit more discussion, although the middle
>> one is covered in much more detail than the other two.  If a bad actor
>> gets "unauthorized access" is there something more specific about each
>> of these that can be said?  The characterization of "network
>> malfunctions, delivery of packets to inappropriate destinations, and
>> other problems" seems very broad.  Consequences that are specific to
>> these data nodes would be more helpful to the reader.
> My limited understanding is that there is a lot of variation in the
> security impact among specific equipment models and deployment
> scenarios.  Therefore, they would likely need to be analyzed on a
> case-by-case basis.  Perhaps there should be Security Considerations
> text to this effect, maybe with some broad guidance about how to do such
> an analysis?

I think this is still a little too vague for me to know what to add. On 
the other hand...
> For example, does changing the "bind-lne-name" of an interface have the
> effect of making it unavailable to the LNE it was previously associated
> with, while providing the new LNE with an unconfigured new interface?
> Or does it also carry some configuration or routing state from the
> former LNE with it to the new LNE?  The latter might have a greater
> security impact.

This is *very* helpful, we in fact have considered this case under the 
general text, but highlighting in here makes perfect senses. How about:
      Implementations should pay particular attention to when
       changes to this leaf are permitted as removal of an interface from
       an LNE can have major impact on the LNEs operation as it is
       similar to physically removing an interface from the
       device. Implementations can reject an reassignment using the
       previously described error message generation.

> This final paragraph in the Security Considerations of this document
> seems copied almost verbatim from that of RFC 8022:
>
>>     Unauthorized access to any of these lists can adversely affect the
>>     security of both the local device and the network.  This may lead to
>>     network malfunctions, delivery of packets to inappropriate
>>     destinations, and other problems.
> That seems to have been acceptable for RFC 8022, but perhaps we should
> do better here?  Or do we follow the precedent that this level of
> detail in the Security Considerations of YANG specifications is
> acceptable?

Note that https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ops/wiki/yang-security-guidelines 
doesn't include this text so if you'd like we can remove it to remain 
consistent with current guidelines.

Thank you for the comments!
Lou

> Best regards,
> -Taylor
>


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Hi Benjamin,=20

Many thanks for your careful and useful review.
Please see inline [Bruno] the proposed resolution.

Regarding the posting of draft -08, I'd propose to wait 24H for your possib=
le follow up, plus possible OPSDIR & GENART review; unless Alia has other i=
nstructions. (Note that I'll be on PTO next week).

Acee,
There are a few questions for you. Please looks for "Acee, any opinion on t=
his?"


 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Benjamin Kaduk [mailto:kaduk@mit.edu]
 > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:10 PM
 > To: draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo.all@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; secdir@ie=
tf.org
 > Subject: secdir review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07
 >=20
 > Hi all,
 >=20
 > I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
 > ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
 > IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
 > security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat
 > these comments just like any other last call comments.
 >=20
 > >From a security perspective, this document is Ready.=20
=20
[Bruno] Excellent, thanks.

 >  It specifies a
 > standard scheme that can be used to back off SPF calculations during
 > periods of frequent IGP events, avoiding excessive resource
 > consumption performing calculations that would be rendered redundant
 > (or just be useless) soon.  The security considerations correctly
 > note that an attacker that can generate IGP events would be able to
 > delay the IGP convergence time, which is true both for this scheme
 > and all schemes previously in use.  (I might use more words to say
 > the same thing if I was writing it, but that probably reflects more
 > on me than the document.)
 >=20
 >=20
 > I do have some questions about the actual proposed FSM, though -- I
 > suspect that I am just making some implicit assumptions that may not
 > be grounded in reality.  In particular, I am basically assuming that
 > INITIAL_SPF_DELAY < SHORT_SPF_DELAY < LONG_SPF_DELAY <
 > HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL.  (The draft itself only has it as RECOMMENDED for
 > SPF_INITIAL_DELAY <=3D SPF_SHORT_DELAY <=3D SPF_LONG_DELAY in Section 6,
 > yes, with the different spellings, but has a MUST for
 > HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL > TIME_TO_LEARN_INTERVAL.)
 > This would potentially affect the state machine for events 1, 6, and
 > 7.

[Bruno] Thanks for detecting the misspelling. Corrected.=20
=20
 > In transition 1, we say to only start the SPF_TIMER if it is not already
 > running, but I do not see a way for it to already be running unless
 > the HOLDDOWN_TIMER value is less than one or more of the SPF_TIMER
 > values.
=20
[Bruno] I agree.
2 comments:
- IMO, it feels safer to check that SPF_TIMER is not already running, plus =
this is more consistent with other states
- As you have noted, the draft does not mandate that HOLDDOWN_TIMER > *_SPF=
_DELAY. Hence this check is indeed required.
=20
 > Similarly, I don't see how transition 7 could ever happen, since an IGP
 > event moves us out of the QUIET state, and I assume that the
 > SPF_TIMER would fire before the HOLDDOWN_TIMER, since the latter is
 > reset on every IGP event and I assume the latter has a larger value.
=20
[Bruno] Same answer: the draft does not mandate that HOLDDOWN_TIMER > *_SPF=
_DELAY.

 > Transition 6 is a little less clear, but is also similar -- if
 > HOLDDOWN_TIMER is larger than LEARN_TIMER, then LEARN_TIMER must
 > fire before HOLDDOWN_TIMER, and we leave SHORT_WAIT to go to
 > LONG_WAIT before we could consider leaving SHORT_WAIT to go back to
 > QUIET.
=20
[Bruno] I agree with you. i.e. transition 6 should never be used if HOLDDOW=
N_INTERVAL > TIME_TO_LEARN_INTERVAL which is a MUST in the draft.
At this point, I'd rather keep it as this gives more robustness to the FSM.=
 (I'm not fully confident that any implementation/configuration interface w=
ould enforce it) Also, during previous reviews, we were rather asked to ind=
icate more/all transitions rather than main ones.
However, I'm open to other opinions.
Acee, any opinion on this?

=20
 > So, am I making some flawed assumptions?  (Are there examples of
 > situations that clearly demonstrate the flaw?)
=20
[Bruno]=20
Your assumptions are logical but not mandated by the draft, hence the FSM n=
eeds to work even without those assumptions.
One could argue that your assumptions are valid. But another one may argue =
that he wants freedom in choosing the timers' value; plus that the FSM shou=
ld be robust to any timers' values.
=20
 > Also, to confirm my understanding, suppose a scenario happens where
 > an IGP participant sees an event, then a gap of 100ms, then three
 > IGP events at equal 10ms intervals, with the SPF delays at the
 > example values of 0/50/2000 ms and TIME_TO_LEARN of 1s.  The first
 > event triggers a SPF computation immediately, then we go to
 > SHORT_WAIT, the first of the three events kicks off a SPF_TIMER for
 > 50ms,=20

[Bruno] Agreed

 > which is reset by the next two events,

[Bruno] I don't think I agree.
This case is handle by transition "2: IGP event" which triggers the followi=
ng actions

        o  Reset HOLDDOWN_TIMER to HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL.
        o  If SPF_TIMER is not already running, start it with value  SHORT_=
SPF_DELAY.
        o  Remain in current state.


So in your example, the second (of the three events) arrives 10ms after the=
 start of the 50ms SPF_TIMER. i.e. SPF_TIMER is already running and hence n=
ot changed.

 >  the SPF timer fires and
 > we recompute the SPF, then TIME_TO_LEARN fires and we go to
 > LONG_WAIT until the HOLDDOWN_TIMER fires.

[Bruno] Agreed with the above.

 >  Or maybe the SPF
 > calculation takes more than 200ms, so when the second IGP event
 > fires, we abort the currently in-progress calculation and don't
 > start another one until 50ms after the last event?=20

[Bruno] The FSM does not take into account the SPF computation time. Hence =
the behavior is not changed by the SPF computation time.
The draft does not talk about aborting the SPF computation. I guess that on=
e implementation may choose to abort the SPF computation, but it must not c=
hange the FSM state/timers due to this abortion. (otherwise, this implement=
ation would be out of sync with other nodes/implementations)

 >  I bring this up
 > because of the text in the second paragraph of Section 4 that talks
 > of computing the post-failure routing table in "a single route
 > computation".

[Bruno] The point is the number of SPF computation may be lower than the nu=
mber of IGP events.
In the FSM, this is achieved with the following action " o  If SPF_TIMER is=
 not already running, start it with value LONG_SPF_DELAY.". Which, IOW (neg=
ation form), says that if the SPF_TIMER is already running, we do nothing (=
new) and hence the new IGP event do not trigger an additional SPF computati=
on.

 >   But if I understand correctly, the *single*
 > computation only happens in the second case here, when the
 > calculation takes some hundreds of milliseconds; otherwise we still
 > have *two* computations (one triggered while we're in QUIET and the
 > second triggered in SHORT_DELAY).  So I'm not sure I fully
 > understand the expected scenario.
=20
[Bruno] The expected scenario is that multiple IGP events may be handled by=
 a single SPF computation.
The typical real life situation is a node failure. This is a single failure=
 but a link state IGP will trigger and flood N IGP_events (one per IGP neig=
hbors of the failed node). This is because (in short) an IGP link state can=
not advertise the failure of a node, but only the failure of a link.=20
Ideally, we should wait for these N IGP_events before computing the SPF com=
putations because:
- it's only by taking into account the N IGP_events that we correctly refle=
ct the real network topology (i.e. the node failure).
- computing an SPF before receiving all N events, will require computing an=
other SPF shortly after. i.e. the first computation is wasted ressources.

The issue is that we don't know how many IGP events we should wait for. Hen=
ce the FSM defines and uses duration "TIME_TO_LEARN_INTERVAL". This duratio=
n "should" be able to be evaluated a priori by the network operator (as it =
is the max of the detection time, origination time, and flooding time).

 > I also am probably having some problems with terminology, presumably
 > just my misunderstanding, which hopefully can be set straight
 > easily.
=20
[Bruno] Please comment/ask questions if the above is not clear or does not =
address your point.
=20
 > In the Introduction, we have a "desire to compute a new Shortest
 > Path First (SPF) as soon as a failure is detected", which is using
 > SPF as it is a data structure (e.g., the result of an algorithm),
 > whereas my intuition has SPF referring to the algorithm [class] but
 > not its output.
=20
[Bruno] You are right that SPF is the algo (and SPT the result).
Unfortunately, this gets too subtle for my level of English.  "Acee, any op=
inion on this?"
=20
 > In section 3, we talk of "computation of the routing table, by the
 > IGP", which gets me confused about whether "the IGP" represents a
 > network protocol for conveying (e.g.) link state information, an
 > algorithm for SPF computation, or a router that performs SPF
 > computations.
=20
[Bruno] IGP is usually a protocol. In this sentence, it is meant as the IGP=
 process of the router.
Again, I'm open to reformulation. "Acee, any opinion on this?"
=20
 > In section 6 we talk of "the number of protocols
 > reactions/computations triggered by IGP SPF".  Is this just in the sense
 > of "each SPF calculation triggers a bunch of other stuff"?=20

[Bruno] Yes, exactly. Again by "protocol reaction" it's meant router's proc=
esses implementing those protocols.
FYI, typical protocol I could think of are BGP and PCE, but possibly other =
IGP (like) in case of route redistribution.

 > I think
 > this is another case about me being confused whether "SPF" means an
 > algorithm, a specific computation using that algorithm, etc.
=20
[Bruno] I agree that this is the same case. "Acee, any opinion on this?"
>=20
 >=20
 > Some other editorial notes:
 >=20
 > It's probably better to cite RFC 8174 instead of/in addition to RFC
 > 2119, especially since there is at least a lowercase "may" present.
=20
[Bruno] ok, done.
=20
 > It's unclear that "temporally close" in "multiple temporally close
 > failures over a short time" really adds any value, in the
 > Introduction.
=20
[Bruno] ok, done:

OLD: However, when the network is experiencing multiple temporally close fa=
ilures over a short period of time, there is a conflicting desire to limit =
the frequency of SPF computations.

NEW: However, when the network is experiencing multiple failures over a sho=
rt period of time, there is a conflicting desire to limit the frequency of =
SPF computations.

=20
 > In section 2, last bullet point on page 3, "SPF_DELAY timers values"
 > probably doesn't need the plural "timers" (so, either "timer" or
 > the possessive "timers'"), though I am mindful of the recent
 > discussion on ietf@ about (non-)American English.  The second
 > sentence of the bullet is also a sentence fragment and not a
 > complete sentence.

[Bruno] ok:
- I trust you on your first point and picked the possessive option
- I agree with you on the second point

Currently changed to:
OLD:
Always try to avoid different SPF_DELAY timers values across different rout=
ers in the area/level. Even though not all routers will receive IGP message=
s at the same time, due to differences both in the distance from the origin=
ator of the IGP event and in flooding implementations.

NEW:
Always try to avoid different SPF_DELAY timers' values across different rou=
ters in the area/level. This requires specific consideration as different r=
outers may receive IGP messages at different interval or even order, due to=
 differences both in the distance from the originator of the IGP event and =
in flooding implementations.


That being said, I'm not a native English speaker and Acee is kind enough t=
o spend time correcting my errors. Therefore, Acee and obviously the RFC ed=
itor may further edit this text.

=20
 > SRLG is used without expansion in multiple places, but does not
 > appear on https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt
 > as a "well-known" abbreviation.

[Bruno] ok, expanded on first use.
=20
=20
 > In section 6, we find the awkward construction "play it safe and
 > start with safe, i.e., longer timers".  Probably we want to say
 > "safe values" as the noun, and maybe consider rewording to avoid the
 > duplicate "safe" and/or the colloquialism "play it safe".
=20
[Bruno] ok

OLD: In case of doubt, it's RECOMMENDED to play it safe and start with safe=
, i.e., longer timers.
NEW: In case of doubt, it's RECOMMENDED to start with safer (i.e. longer) t=
imer values.

Again, text may be subject to further revision.
=20
 > Section 8 says:
 >=20
 >    [...]. FIBs
 >    are installed after multiple steps such as flooding of the IGP event
 >    across the network, SPF wait time, SPF computation, FIB distribution
 >    across line cards, and FIB update.  This document only addresses the
 >    first contribution.
 >=20
 > which makes me try to match up "the first contribution" with the
 > flooding, when I assume it's meant to match up with the SPF wait
 > time.
=20
[Bruno] You are absolute right. Thanks for the catch.

OLD:  FIBs are installed after multiple steps such as flooding of the IGP e=
vent across the network, SPF wait time, SPF computation, FIB distribution a=
cross line cards, and FIB update. This document only addresses the first co=
ntribution.
NEW: FIBs are installed after multiple steps such as flooding of the IGP ev=
ent across the network, SPF wait time, SPF computation, FIB distribution ac=
ross line cards, and FIB update. This document only addresses the contribut=
ion from the SPF wait time.

Thanks again for your careful review.

--Bruno=20

 > -Benjamin

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On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 07:50:34PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
> Hi Bruno, Benjamin, 
> 
> Thanks to Benjamin for review and Bruno for the detailed response. See my responses preceded by [Acee]. 
> 
> 
> ﻿On 2/15/18, 11:17 AM, "bruno.decraene@orange.com" <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:
> 
>     Hi Benjamin, 
>     
>     Many thanks for your careful and useful review.
>     Please see inline [Bruno] the proposed resolution.
>     
>     Regarding the posting of draft -08, I'd propose to wait 24H for your possible follow up, plus possible OPSDIR & GENART review; unless Alia has other instructions. (Note that I'll be on PTO next week).
>     
>     Acee,
>     There are a few questions for you. Please looks for "Acee, any opinion on this?"
>     
>     
>      > -----Original Message-----
>      > From: Benjamin Kaduk [mailto:kaduk@mit.edu]
>      > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 10:10 PM
>      > To: draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo.all@ietf.org; iesg@ietf.org; secdir@ietf.org
>      > Subject: secdir review of draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-07
>      > 
>      > Hi all,
>      > 
>      > I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
>      > ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
>      > IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
>      > security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat
>      > these comments just like any other last call comments.
>      > 
>      > >From a security perspective, this document is Ready. 
>      
>     [Bruno] Excellent, thanks.
>     
>      >  It specifies a
>      > standard scheme that can be used to back off SPF calculations during
>      > periods of frequent IGP events, avoiding excessive resource
>      > consumption performing calculations that would be rendered redundant
>      > (or just be useless) soon.  The security considerations correctly
>      > note that an attacker that can generate IGP events would be able to
>      > delay the IGP convergence time, which is true both for this scheme
>      > and all schemes previously in use.  (I might use more words to say
>      > the same thing if I was writing it, but that probably reflects more
>      > on me than the document.)
>      > 
>      > 
>      > I do have some questions about the actual proposed FSM, though -- I
>      > suspect that I am just making some implicit assumptions that may not
>      > be grounded in reality.  In particular, I am basically assuming that
>      > INITIAL_SPF_DELAY < SHORT_SPF_DELAY < LONG_SPF_DELAY <
>      > HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL.  (The draft itself only has it as RECOMMENDED for
>      > SPF_INITIAL_DELAY <= SPF_SHORT_DELAY <= SPF_LONG_DELAY in Section 6,
>      > yes, with the different spellings, but has a MUST for
>      > HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL > TIME_TO_LEARN_INTERVAL.)
>      > This would potentially affect the state machine for events 1, 6, and
>      > 7.
>     
>     [Bruno] Thanks for detecting the misspelling. Corrected. 
>      
>      > In transition 1, we say to only start the SPF_TIMER if it is not already
>      > running, but I do not see a way for it to already be running unless
>      > the HOLDDOWN_TIMER value is less than one or more of the SPF_TIMER
>      > values.
>      
>     [Bruno] I agree.
>     2 comments:
>     - IMO, it feels safer to check that SPF_TIMER is not already running, plus this is more consistent with other states
>     - As you have noted, the draft does not mandate that HOLDDOWN_TIMER > *_SPF_DELAY. Hence this check is indeed required.
>      
>      > Similarly, I don't see how transition 7 could ever happen, since an IGP
>      > event moves us out of the QUIET state, and I assume that the
>      > SPF_TIMER would fire before the HOLDDOWN_TIMER, since the latter is
>      > reset on every IGP event and I assume the latter has a larger value.
>      
>     [Bruno] Same answer: the draft does not mandate that HOLDDOWN_TIMER > *_SPF_DELAY.
>     
>      > Transition 6 is a little less clear, but is also similar -- if
>      > HOLDDOWN_TIMER is larger than LEARN_TIMER, then LEARN_TIMER must
>      > fire before HOLDDOWN_TIMER, and we leave SHORT_WAIT to go to
>      > LONG_WAIT before we could consider leaving SHORT_WAIT to go back to
>      > QUIET.
>      
>     [Bruno] I agree with you. i.e. transition 6 should never be used if HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL > TIME_TO_LEARN_INTERVAL which is a MUST in the draft.
>     At this point, I'd rather keep it as this gives more robustness to the FSM. (I'm not fully confident that any implementation/configuration interface would enforce it) Also, during previous reviews, we were rather asked to indicate more/all transitions rather than main ones.
>     However, I'm open to other opinions.
>     Acee, any opinion on this?
> 
> [Acee] I agree we should keep it based on the draft history. 
> 

It's probably okay to leave the transition in.  Mostly I just wanted to make
sure that I wasn't missing something that would cause it to happen.

>    Transition 6: HOLDDOWN_TIMER expiration, while in SHORT_WAIT. This
>                             transition would normally not occur since
>                             (HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL > TIME_TO_LEARN_INTERVAL). 

Sounds good to me.

>      
>      > So, am I making some flawed assumptions?  (Are there examples of
>      > situations that clearly demonstrate the flaw?)
>      
>     [Bruno] 
>     Your assumptions are logical but not mandated by the draft, hence the FSM needs to work even without those assumptions.
>     One could argue that your assumptions are valid. But another one may argue that he wants freedom in choosing the timers' value; plus that the FSM should be robust to any timers' values.
>      

Okay, so it sounds like we don't have any concrete scenarios in mind
but want to leave some flexibility for implementors/configuration
choices.  That may well be a reasonable tradeoff.

>      > Also, to confirm my understanding, suppose a scenario happens where
>      > an IGP participant sees an event, then a gap of 100ms, then three
>      > IGP events at equal 10ms intervals, with the SPF delays at the
>      > example values of 0/50/2000 ms and TIME_TO_LEARN of 1s.  The first
>      > event triggers a SPF computation immediately, then we go to
>      > SHORT_WAIT, the first of the three events kicks off a SPF_TIMER for
>      > 50ms, 
>     
>     [Bruno] Agreed
>     
>      > which is reset by the next two events,
>     
>     [Bruno] I don't think I agree.
>     This case is handle by transition "2: IGP event" which triggers the following actions
>     
>             o  Reset HOLDDOWN_TIMER to HOLDDOWN_INTERVAL.
>             o  If SPF_TIMER is not already running, start it with value  SHORT_SPF_DELAY.
>             o  Remain in current state.
>     
>     
>     So in your example, the second (of the three events) arrives 10ms after the start of the 50ms SPF_TIMER. i.e. SPF_TIMER is already running and hence not changed.
>     

Good point, thanks for the correction.

>      >  the SPF timer fires and
>      > we recompute the SPF, then TIME_TO_LEARN fires and we go to
>      > LONG_WAIT until the HOLDDOWN_TIMER fires.
>     
>     [Bruno] Agreed with the above.
>     
>      >  Or maybe the SPF
>      > calculation takes more than 200ms, so when the second IGP event
>      > fires, we abort the currently in-progress calculation and don't
>      > start another one until 50ms after the last event? 
>     
>     [Bruno] The FSM does not take into account the SPF computation time. Hence the behavior is not changed by the SPF computation time.
>     The draft does not talk about aborting the SPF computation. I guess that one implementation may choose to abort the SPF computation, but it must not change the FSM state/timers due to this abortion. (otherwise, this implementation would be out of sync with other nodes/implementations)
>     

Agreed.  I'm also inclined to agree with the GenArt reviewer's
suggestion to add some discussion of (not) aborting SPF computation
to the document, but do not insist on it.

>      >  I bring this up
>      > because of the text in the second paragraph of Section 4 that talks
>      > of computing the post-failure routing table in "a single route
>      > computation".
>     
>     [Bruno] The point is the number of SPF computation may be lower than the number of IGP events.
>     In the FSM, this is achieved with the following action " o  If SPF_TIMER is not already running, start it with value LONG_SPF_DELAY.". Which, IOW (negation form), says that if the SPF_TIMER is already running, we do nothing (new) and hence the new IGP event do not trigger an additional SPF computation.
>     

I agree that the number of SPF computations may be lower than the
number of IGP events.  I am not sure that "a single route
computation" is correct; perhaps "a single additional route
computation" is better.

>      >   But if I understand correctly, the *single*
>      > computation only happens in the second case here, when the
>      > calculation takes some hundreds of milliseconds; otherwise we still
>      > have *two* computations (one triggered while we're in QUIET and the
>      > second triggered in SHORT_DELAY).  So I'm not sure I fully
>      > understand the expected scenario.
>      
>     [Bruno] The expected scenario is that multiple IGP events may be handled by a single SPF computation.
>     The typical real life situation is a node failure. This is a single failure but a link state IGP will trigger and flood N IGP_events (one per IGP neighbors of the failed node). This is because (in short) an IGP link state cannot advertise the failure of a node, but only the failure of a link. 
>     Ideally, we should wait for these N IGP_events before computing the SPF computations because:
>     - it's only by taking into account the N IGP_events that we correctly reflect the real network topology (i.e. the node failure).
>     - computing an SPF before receiving all N events, will require computing another SPF shortly after. i.e. the first computation is wasted ressources.
>     
>     The issue is that we don't know how many IGP events we should wait for. Hence the FSM defines and uses duration "TIME_TO_LEARN_INTERVAL". This duration "should" be able to be evaluated a priori by the network operator (as it is the max of the detection time, origination time, and flooding time).
>     
>      > I also am probably having some problems with terminology, presumably
>      > just my misunderstanding, which hopefully can be set straight
>      > easily.
>      
>     [Bruno] Please comment/ask questions if the above is not clear or does not address your point.
>      

My main question here can be summarized with the proposal to add the
word "additional", above.

>      > In the Introduction, we have a "desire to compute a new Shortest
>      > Path First (SPF) as soon as a failure is detected", which is using
>      > SPF as it is a data structure (e.g., the result of an algorithm),
>      > whereas my intuition has SPF referring to the algorithm [class] but
>      > not its output.
>      
>     [Bruno] You are right that SPF is the algo (and SPT the result).
>     Unfortunately, this gets too subtle for my level of English.  "Acee, any opinion on this?"
> 
> [Acee] Ben is technically correct. However, informally, we often refer to an "SPF" generically to refer both to the algorithm and an instance of the algorithm computation. We could change it to: 
> 
> 
>   OLD: In general, when the network is stable, there is a desire to compute
>            a new Shortest Path First (SPF) as soon as a failure is detected in
>   New: In general, when the network is stable, there is a desire to trigger 
>             a new Shortest Path First (SPF) computation as soon as a failure is detected in

That would help me, the naive reader, thanks.  (But if the other
usage is accepted among experts, there's no need to change it just
on my account.)

>      
>      > In section 3, we talk of "computation of the routing table, by the
>      > IGP", which gets me confused about whether "the IGP" represents a
>      > network protocol for conveying (e.g.) link state information, an
>      > algorithm for SPF computation, or a router that performs SPF
>      > computations.
>      
>     [Bruno] IGP is usually a protocol. In this sentence, it is meant as the IGP process of the router.
>     Again, I'm open to reformulation. "Acee, any opinion on this?"
> 
> [Acee] I don't think we need to change this. IGP is a well-known acronym. 
>              https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt

Perhaps my question was not well phrased.  I propose

OLD: computation of the routing table, by the IGP

NEW: computation of the routing table, by the IGP participant

(or something similar), since the IGP just serves to distribute the
LSDB (conceptually), and the computation of the routing table is
done by each router internally (i.e., not directly using the IGP in
question).  Or is the previous sentence not true?

>      
>      > In section 6 we talk of "the number of protocols
>      > reactions/computations triggered by IGP SPF".  Is this just in the sense
>      > of "each SPF calculation triggers a bunch of other stuff"? 
>     
>     [Bruno] Yes, exactly. Again by "protocol reaction" it's meant router's processes implementing those protocols.
>     FYI, typical protocol I could think of are BGP and PCE, but possibly other IGP (like) in case of route redistribution.
>     
>      > I think
>      > this is another case about me being confused whether "SPF" means an
>      > algorithm, a specific computation using that algorithm, etc.
>      
>     [Bruno] I agree that this is the same case. "Acee, any opinion on this?"
> 
> [Acee] We could change "IGP SPF" to "IGP SPF computation". 

Sounds good to me.

> 
>     > 
>      > 
>      > Some other editorial notes:
>      > 
>      > It's probably better to cite RFC 8174 instead of/in addition to RFC
>      > 2119, especially since there is at least a lowercase "may" present.
>      
>     [Bruno] ok, done.
>      
>      > It's unclear that "temporally close" in "multiple temporally close
>      > failures over a short time" really adds any value, in the
>      > Introduction.
>      
>     [Bruno] ok, done:
>     
>     OLD: However, when the network is experiencing multiple temporally close failures over a short period of time, there is a conflicting desire to limit the frequency of SPF computations.
>     
>     NEW: However, when the network is experiencing multiple failures over a short period of time, there is a conflicting desire to limit the frequency of SPF computations.
>     
>      
>      > In section 2, last bullet point on page 3, "SPF_DELAY timers values"
>      > probably doesn't need the plural "timers" (so, either "timer" or
>      > the possessive "timers'"), though I am mindful of the recent
>      > discussion on ietf@ about (non-)American English.  The second
>      > sentence of the bullet is also a sentence fragment and not a
>      > complete sentence.
>     
>     [Bruno] ok:
>     - I trust you on your first point and picked the possessive option
>     - I agree with you on the second point
>     
>     Currently changed to:
>     OLD:
>     Always try to avoid different SPF_DELAY timers values across different routers in the area/level. Even though not all routers will receive IGP messages at the same time, due to differences both in the distance from the originator of the IGP event and in flooding implementations.
>     
>     NEW:
>     Always try to avoid different SPF_DELAY timers' values across different routers in the area/level. This requires specific consideration as different routers may receive IGP messages at different interval or even order, due to differences both in the distance from the originator of the IGP event and in flooding implementations.
> 
> 
>     That being said, I'm not a native English speaker and Acee is kind enough to spend time correcting my errors. Therefore, Acee and obviously the RFC editor may further edit this text.
> 
> [Acee] I think "SPF_DELAY timer values" reads better as a single plural compound noun. Do you disagree? See clarification below:
>     
>  Always try to avoid different SPF_DELAY timer values across different routers in the area/level. This requires specific consideration as different routers may receive IGP messages at a different interval or even in a different order, due to differences both in the distance from the originator of the IGP event and in flooding implementations. 

This would be my preference, but I did not want to bias the authors
with my initial message.

>     
>     
>      
>      > SRLG is used without expansion in multiple places, but does not
>      > appear on https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt
>      > as a "well-known" abbreviation.
>     
>     [Bruno] ok, expanded on first use.
>      
>      
>      > In section 6, we find the awkward construction "play it safe and
>      > start with safe, i.e., longer timers".  Probably we want to say
>      > "safe values" as the noun, and maybe consider rewording to avoid the
>      > duplicate "safe" and/or the colloquialism "play it safe".
>      
>     [Bruno] ok
>     
>     OLD: In case of doubt, it's RECOMMENDED to play it safe and start with safe, i.e., longer timers.
>     NEW: In case of doubt, it's RECOMMENDED to start with safer (i.e. longer) timer values.
>     
>     Again, text may be subject to further revision.
>      
> [Acee]: In case of doubt, it's RECOMMENDED to start with safer (i.e., longer) timer values.      
> 
>      > Section 8 says:
>      > 
>      >    [...]. FIBs
>      >    are installed after multiple steps such as flooding of the IGP event
>      >    across the network, SPF wait time, SPF computation, FIB distribution
>      >    across line cards, and FIB update.  This document only addresses the
>      >    first contribution.
>      > 
>      > which makes me try to match up "the first contribution" with the
>      > flooding, when I assume it's meant to match up with the SPF wait
>      > time.
>      
>     [Bruno] You are absolute right. Thanks for the catch.
>     
>     OLD:  FIBs are installed after multiple steps such as flooding of the IGP event across the network, SPF wait time, SPF computation, FIB distribution across line cards, and FIB update. This document only addresses the first contribution.
>     NEW: FIBs are installed after multiple steps such as flooding of the IGP event across the network, SPF wait time, SPF computation, FIB distribution across line cards, and FIB update. This document only addresses the contribution from the SPF wait time.

Sounds good.

>     Thanks again for your careful review.
> 
> Yes - Thank you, 

You're welcome!

-Benjamin


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Reviewer: Rich Salz
Review result: Ready

I have discovered an elegant little proof that shows TLS 1.3 is not secure,
unfortunately I do not have the room to fit it in this textbox.  I will send
email tomorrow...

No, seriously, this protocol has been designed with the help of world-class
cryptographers and academics. It has been analyzed with verification tools.  It
has been tweaked as necessary to get around middlebox ossification. It is
available in two highly popular browsers and at least one widely-used open
source toolkit.

This document is READY.



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I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing=
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.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any=
 other last call comments.=0A=0AThe summary of the review is Ready with iss=
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y defining new flags in the Control Flags field of the Layer2 Info Extended=
 Community.=0A=0AI'm not expert in routing protocols, so I can't say for su=
re that the one minor issue I'm calling out is the only one. The security c=
onsiderations section is very brief, saying only=0A=0A   This extension to =
BGP does not change the underlying security issues=0A   inherent in the exi=
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considerations apply, but as noted in the abstract, this draft updates RFC4=
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Scott:

Hi!  Thanks for the review!

The correct address is draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp.all@ietf.org. (.all, not
-all).  I=E2=80=99m including it in this reply.

BTW, yes the security considerations should also reference rfc4761.  That
comment had come up in another review and the authors should have it queued
up for the next version.

Alvaro.

On February 16, 2018 at 9:08:47 AM, Scott G. Kelly (scott@hyperthought.com)
wrote:

Resending due to bounce from draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-all@ietf.org


On Friday, February 16, 2018 6:06am, "Scott G. Kelly" <
scott@hyperthought.com> said:

> I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
ongoing effort
> to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments
were
> written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Documen=
t
> editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other
last call
> comments.
>
> The summary of the review is Ready with issues.
>
> From the last line of the abstract, this draft updates RFC 4761 by
defining new
> flags in the Control Flags field of the Layer2 Info Extended Community.
>
> I'm not expert in routing protocols, so I can't say for sure that the one
minor
> issue I'm calling out is the only one. The security considerations
section is very
> brief, saying only
>
> This extension to BGP does not change the underlying security issues
> inherent in the existing [RFC4271].
>
> RFC4271 is the BGP4 RFC. I agree that those security considerations
apply, but as
> noted in the abstract, this draft updates RFC4761, and since that
document calls
> out additional security considerations, don't those also apply here?
Shouldn't
> this document's security considerations also reference RFC4761?
>
> --Scott
>
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yle=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);mar=
gin:0px;line-height:auto">Scott:</div><div id=3D"bloop_customfont" style=3D=
"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0p=
x;line-height:auto"><br></div><div id=3D"bloop_customfont" style=3D"font-fa=
mily:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-h=
eight:auto">Hi!=C2=A0 Thanks for the review!</div><div id=3D"bloop_customfo=
nt" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.=
0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div id=3D"bloop_customfont" styl=
e=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margi=
n:0px;line-height:auto">The correct address is=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:draft=
-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp.all@ietf.org">draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp.all@ietf.org=
</a>. (.all, not -all).=C2=A0 I=E2=80=99m including it in this reply.</div>=
<div id=3D"bloop_customfont" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size=
:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></div><div id=
=3D"bloop_customfont" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-size:13px;c=
olor:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">BTW, yes the security con=
siderations should also reference rfc4761.=C2=A0 That comment had come up i=
n another review and the authors should have it queued up for the next vers=
ion.</div><div id=3D"bloop_customfont" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial=
;font-size:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto"><br></di=
v><div id=3D"bloop_customfont" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial;font-si=
ze:13px;color:rgba(0,0,0,1.0);margin:0px;line-height:auto">Alvaro.</div> <b=
r><p class=3D"airmail_on">On February 16, 2018 at 9:08:47 AM, Scott G. Kell=
y (<a href=3D"mailto:scott@hyperthought.com">scott@hyperthought.com</a>) wr=
ote:</p> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"clean_bq"><span><div><div></div=
><div>Resending due to bounce from <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw=
-bgp-all@ietf.org">draft-ietf-bess-fat-pw-bgp-all@ietf.org</a><br><br><br>O=
n Friday, February 16, 2018 6:06am, &quot;Scott G. Kelly&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:scott@hyperthought.com">scott@hyperthought.com</a>&gt; said:<br>=
<br>&gt; I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate&=
#39;s ongoing effort<br>&gt; to review all IETF documents being processed b=
y the IESG. These comments were<br>&gt; written primarily for the benefit o=
f the security area directors.  Document<br>&gt; editors and WG chairs shou=
ld treat these comments just like any other last call<br>&gt; comments.<br>=
&gt; <br>&gt; The summary of the review is Ready with issues.<br>&gt; <br>&=
gt; From the last line of the abstract, this draft updates RFC 4761 by defi=
ning new<br>&gt; flags in the Control Flags field of the Layer2 Info Extend=
ed Community.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; I&#39;m not expert in routing protocols, so =
I can&#39;t say for sure that the one minor<br>&gt; issue I&#39;m calling o=
ut is the only one. The security considerations section is very<br>&gt; bri=
ef, saying only<br>&gt; <br>&gt;    This extension to BGP does not change t=
he underlying security issues<br>&gt;    inherent in the existing [RFC4271]=
.<br>&gt; <br>&gt; RFC4271 is the BGP4 RFC. I agree that those security con=
siderations apply, but as<br>&gt; noted in the abstract, this draft updates=
 RFC4761, and since that document calls<br>&gt; out additional security con=
siderations, don&#39;t those also apply here? Shouldn&#39;t<br>&gt; this do=
cument&#39;s security considerations also reference RFC4761?<br>&gt; <br>&g=
t; --Scott<br>&gt; <br>&gt; _______________________________________________=
<br>&gt; secdir mailing list<br>&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:secdir@ietf.org">sec=
dir@ietf.org</a><br>&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/s=
ecdir">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/secdir</a><br>&gt; wiki: <a hr=
ef=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/area/sec/trac/wiki/SecDirReview">http://tools.i=
etf.org/area/sec/trac/wiki/SecDirReview</a><br>&gt; =20
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[inline, trimming a bunch of agreed-upon stuff]

On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:34:13PM +0000, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote:
> Hi Benjamin,
> 
> > From: Benjamin Kaduk [mailto:kaduk@mit.edu]
>  > Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 1:04 AM
> > 
>  > [also inline]
> 
> Please see inline [Bruno2]
>  
>  > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 07:50:34PM +0000, Acee Lindem (acee) wrote:
>  > > Hi Bruno, Benjamin,
>  > >
>  > > Thanks to Benjamin for review and Bruno for the detailed response. See my responses preceded
>  > by [Acee].
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > ﻿On 2/15/18, 11:17 AM, "bruno.decraene@orange.com" <bruno.decraene@orange.com> wrote:
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >      > In section 3, we talk of "computation of the routing table, by the
>  > >      > IGP", which gets me confused about whether "the IGP" represents a
>  > >      > network protocol for conveying (e.g.) link state information, an
>  > >      > algorithm for SPF computation, or a router that performs SPF
>  > >      > computations.
>  > >
>  > >     [Bruno] IGP is usually a protocol. In this sentence, it is meant as the IGP process of the router.
>  > >     Again, I'm open to reformulation. "Acee, any opinion on this?"
>  > >
>  > > [Acee] I don't think we need to change this. IGP is a well-known acronym.
>  > >              https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt
>  > 
>  > Perhaps my question was not well phrased.  I propose
>  > 
>  > OLD: computation of the routing table, by the IGP
>  > 
>  > NEW: computation of the routing table, by the IGP participant
>  > 
>  > (or something similar), since the IGP just serves to distribute the
>  > LSDB (conceptually), and the computation of the routing table is
>  > done by each router internally (i.e., not directly using the IGP in
>  > question).  Or is the previous sentence not true?
>  
> [Bruno2] What about:
> NEW:  Computation of the routing table, by the IGP implementation,
> 
> ("IGP participant" does not sound like an usual term to me)

That works for me.  Thanks again!

-Ben


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Reviewer: Yoav Nir
Review result: Has Nits

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. Document
editors and others should treat these comments just like any other late last
call comments.

The document is well-written although it uses a lot of jargon without defining
it first. For example:

                         An increasing number of enterprises, over-the-
   top voice-over-IP (VoIP) providers

VoIP I understand. What is over-the-top? Since the target audience is IETF
people who are more well-versed in telephony jargon than I am, this is probably
fine.

What I didn't like about this is the introduction in section 1. It reads like a
marketing document rather than a technical one. For example:

   The challenges of utilizing telephone numbers (TNs) on the Internet
   have been known for some time.

It's only challenging if I want to use a TN on the Internet. Why do I want to
do that?

   Thanks to the increasing sophistication of consumer mobile devices as
   Internet endpoints as well as telephones, users now associate TNs
   with many Internet applications other than telephony.

So because my phone is so sophisticated and has IP, I now associate phone
numbers with Internet applications?  Why?

The Security Considerations section is fine, but I think this is one draft that
should have privacy considerations either as a separate section or as a
paragraph in the Security Considerations section. It should be called out that
the administrative data often contains PII - real names and addresses of users
and the usage of phone numbers as identifiers on the Internet allows for
mapping these real names and addresses to transactions on the Internet.  I
think this deserves a mention


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I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.
These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security
area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat these
comments just like any other last call comments.

The summary of the review is Ready.

This document defines a YANG data model for the Routing Information Base
(RIB).

The Security Considerations section states that it's intended to run
over SSH (NETCONF) or TLS (RESTCONF) and thus relies on discretionary
access control defined by these underlying protocols along with the
security of SSH/TLS.  It further calls out the 'RIB', 'route', and
'nexthop' subtrees being defined, as being sensitive.

Useful references: RFC6536 defines the network access control
mechanism, RFC7921 explains the security environment for I2RS, and
RFC8241 discusses the specific security requirements for I2RS.


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 Summary:  No security issues found

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  These
comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area
directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just
like any other last call comments.

This document introduces a YANG model to manage multiple types of networks,
and even a network consisting of mixed technologies, with one model.  As
they point out in the security considerations section, if there was no
authentication of network management traffic, people could do bad things,
but the assumption is that this will run over TLS or SSH.  Therefore, no
security issues are raised by this document.

Radia

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Reviewer: Yaron Sheffer
Review result: Has Issues

General Comments

* The semantics of pattern matching is not clear: "and/or the message text" -
are there cases where you only match the text but not the facility/severity? *
It's very confusing to specify rollover in minutes, but retention in hours.
People are bound to get this one wrong. * Interface selection: the feature
makes sense, but I think the description is incorrect. "This leaf sets the
source interface to be used to send messages to the remote syslog server. If
not set, messages sent to a remote syslog server will contain the IP address of
the interface the syslog message uses to exit the network element". AFAIK the
source IP will always correspond to the interface, but this feature allows you
to select a particular one. * Usage examples: the second example lists a
specific IPv6 address, but the Yang snippet shows a domain name. * A generic
question (I am new to the Yang ecosystem): I understand most implementers will
use this module from
https://github.com/YangModels/yang/blob/master/standard/ietf/DRAFT/ietf-syslog.yang
- is this the expectation? If so, why not add a link from the RFC into the
repo, to make it easier for people to find?

Security Comments

* I think almost all writable data nodes here are sensitive, because a network
attacker's first move is to block any logging on the host, and many of the data
nodes here can be used for this purpose. * Re: readable data nodes, I'm not
sure which are sensitive, and the document should give an example or two rather
than just say "some". Otherwise the security advice is not actionable. One
example: "remote" sections leak information about other hosts in the network. *
Write operations... can have a negative effect on network operations. - I would
add "and on network security", because logs are often used to detect security
breaches. * Also add an advice, similar to the one on "pattern match", that the
private key used for signing log messages MUST NOT be used for any other
purpose, and that the implementation of this data node must ensure this
property (I'm not sure how). The rationale: if the TLS private key is used, for
example, this could result in a signing oracle for TLS and eventually a MITM
attack.


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Hello,

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's 
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. 
These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security 
area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these 
comments just like any other last call comments.

The summary of the review is Ready with Nits.

I skimmed through the document, which appears thorough and well laid out.

The Security Considerations section is appropriate.

Below are some nits that I found in the Security Considerations section:

Current:
Backbone Router in a way that prevents tempering with or replaying
Suggested:
s/tempering/tampering/

Current:
This specification recommends to using privacy techniques (see
Suggested:
s/to using/the use of/

Section B.5 is a section on Requirements Related to Security. This is an 
appropriate threat model.

Also, just because I'm a bit late in doing this, I reviewed the Privacy 
Considerations section of this document. This is also well written and 
provides guidance to implementers in the way of pointers to other RFCs.

Regards,
Chris

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    IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
    security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat
    these comments just like any other last call comments.
    <br>
    <br>
    The summary of the review is Ready with Nits.<br>
    <br>
    I skimmed through the document, which appears thorough and well laid
    out.<br>
    <br>
    The Security Considerations section is appropriate. <br>
    <br>
    Below are some nits that I found in the Security Considerations
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    Section B.5 is a section on Requirements Related to Security. This
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    <br>
    Also, just because I'm a bit late in doing this, I reviewed the
    Privacy Considerations section of this document. This is also well
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Reviewer: Robert Sparks
Review result: Ready

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  These
comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area
directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just
like any other last call comments.

Summary: Ready for publication as Standards Track RFC

>From the technical summary in the shepherd's writeup:
"Mapping of Address and Port with Encapsulation (MAP-E) [RFC7597] is a
stateless tunnelling transition mechanism to provide the IPv4 connectivity over
IPv6 access networks. This documents defines the corresponding Management
Information Base (MIB) for using Internet-Standard Management Framework. This
MIB module may be used for configuration and monitoring of MAP-E devices."

The document has a detailed security considerations section.


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Reviewer: Christian Huitema
Review result: Ready

I already reviewed the previous version of this draft. I like its practical
approach of implementations and the cost of various algorithms, and I think
that the data in the draft will be useful when discussing security approaches
for small devices. I am happy to see the feedback on privacy issues was taken
into account. The document now states clearly that "long-term static identities
makes it easy to track the devices (and their owners) when they move... (or)
across ownership changes."

I have just one small nit. I like the recommendation "to generate new
identities at appropriate times during their lifecycle.  For example, after a
factory reset or an ownership handover." I wish that it would be somehow listed
as one of the bullets in section 9, "Summary".


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Hi Clyde,

Thank you for responding to my comments. I am OK with all of your responses.

Best,
	Yaron

On 19/02/18 13:02, Clyde Wildes (cwildes) wrote:
> Yaron,
> 
> Thanks for your review. My answers are inline as [clw1].
> 
> On 2/18/18, 6:31 AM, "Yaron Sheffer" <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>      Reviewer: Yaron Sheffer
>      Review result: Has Issues
>      
>      General Comments
>      
>      * The semantics of pattern matching is not clear: "and/or the message text" -
>      are there cases where you only match the text but not the facility/severity? *
>      
> [clw1] Yes. There are three cases: 1. Match on facility/severity; 2. Match on the regex pattern; 3. Match on both facility/severity and the regex pattern.
> 
>      It's very confusing to specify rollover in minutes, but retention in hours.
>      People are bound to get this one wrong.
> 
> [clw1] I will change the retention to minutes unless others object.
> 
>      * Interface selection: the feature
>      makes sense, but I think the description is incorrect. "This leaf sets the
>      source interface to be used to send messages to the remote syslog server. If
>      not set, messages sent to a remote syslog server will contain the IP address of
>      the interface the syslog message uses to exit the network element". AFAIK the
>      source IP will always correspond to the interface, but this feature allows you
>      to select a particular one.
> 
> [clw1] You are correct. I will modify the description to make this clearer. How about:
> 
> "This leaf sets the source interface to be used to send messages to the remote syslog server. If
> not set, messages can be sent on any interface."
> 
>      * Usage examples: the second example lists a
>      specific IPv6 address, but the Yang snippet shows a domain name.
> 
> [clw1] Thanks for catching this error. I will fix this in the next revision.
> 
>      * A generic
>      question (I am new to the Yang ecosystem): I understand most implementers will
>      use this module from
>      https://github.com/YangModels/yang/blob/master/standard/ietf/DRAFT/ietf-syslog.yang
>      - is this the expectation? If so, why not add a link from the RFC into the
>      repo, to make it easier for people to find?
> 
> [clw1] It is standard practice to include the model in the RFC AFAIK. I have not seen github links published in any other RFCs.
>      
>      Security Comments
>      
>      * I think almost all writable data nodes here are sensitive, because a network
>      attacker's first move is to block any logging on the host, and many of the data
>      nodes here can be used for this purpose.
> 
> [clw1] I will reword the security section to include all writeable nodes as sensitive.
> 
>      * Re: readable data nodes, I'm not
>      sure which are sensitive, and the document should give an example or two rather
>      than just say "some". Otherwise the security advice is not actionable. One
>      example: "remote" sections leak information about other hosts in the network.
> 
> [clw1] This text was lifted from another model. I will review the readable nodes and update.
> 
>      * Write operations... can have a negative effect on network operations. - I would
>      add "and on network security", because logs are often used to detect security
>      breaches.
> 
> [clw1] I will add this phrase.
> 
>      * Also add an advice, similar to the one on "pattern match", that the
>      private key used for signing log messages MUST NOT be used for any other
>      purpose, and that the implementation of this data node must ensure this
>      property (I'm not sure how). The rationale: if the TLS private key is used, for
>      example, this could result in a signing oracle for TLS and eventually a MITM
>      attack.
> 
> [clw1] I will add this advice.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Clyde
>      
> 


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Reviewer: Daniel Migault
Review result: Has Nits

Hi, 

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's 
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the 
IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the 
security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat 
these comments just like any other last call comments.

The summary of the review is Ready with nits:

•	section 1: Introduction

   However, an RPKI relying party may want to override some of the
   information expressed via putative TAs and the certificates

<mglt>It seems that TA is being used for the first time here. The acronym
should be extended to ease the reading of the document. I am reading it 
as Trust Anchor.</mglt>


•	section 2.  RPKI RPs with SLURM

   SLURM provides a simple way to enable RPs to establish a local,

<mglt>It seems to me the acronym RP is used for the first time. It seems that 
it should be expanded to ease the reading of the document. I am reading it 
as Relaying Party.</mglt>
 

•	section 6 Security considerations

<mglt>I My reading is that the section catches the criticality of the SLURM 
files and that network operators are already familiar provisioning critical 
data. As such I believe the section is sufficiently clear.</mglt>

•	whole document:

<mglt>It seems that BGPSec, and BGPsec are used together. I believe this 
should be harmonized to BGPsec.</mglt>

Yours, 
Daniel



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Reviewer: Rifaat Shekh-Yusef
Review result: Has Issues

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's 
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the 
IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the 
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   "A backup egress MUST be configured on the ingress of an LSP to
   protect a primary egress of the LSP if and only if the backup egress
   is not indicated in another place."

Can you define "another place"? Is it the "primary egress"? others?
 

   "To protect a primary egress of an LSP, a backup egress MUST be
   configured on the primary egress of the LSP to protect the primary
   egress if and only if the backup egress is not indicated in another
   place."   

Can you define "another place"? Is it the "ingress"? others?
   

   "Note that protecting a primary egress of a P2P LSP carrying service
   traffic through a backup egress requires that the backup egress trust
   the primary egress for the information received for a service label
   as UA label."
   
Can you elaborate on this statement? 
How would the backup egress trust the primary egress?

Regards,
 Rifaat



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On 2/21/18 2:09 PM, David Mandelberg wrote:
> Hi,

Hi David, thanks for the review.

> The summary of the review is: ready with nits.
>=20
> (nit) Section 2: What is a "ufrag pair"? Is it short for username
> fragment pair? I might have just missed it, but I don't see a definitio=
n
> in the referenced terminology.

Perhaps it's a term of art, but in draft-ietf-ice-rfc5245bis it's called
the "Username Fragment and Password" so I suggest we use that.

> (nit) Section 15: If I understand correctly, the signaling protocol als=
o
> needs to guarantee that the end-of-candidates indication is not
> re-ordered with respect to any trickled candidates. Is that correct? Is=

> it worth adding to the requirements?

Good catch - in-order delivery applies here as well.

OLD
   o  A signaling protocol MUST deliver each trickled candidate not more
      than once and in the same order it was conveyed (see Section 8).

NEW
   o  A signaling protocol MUST deliver each trickled candidate or
      end-of-candidates indication not more than once and in the same
      order it was conveyed (see Section 8).

We might want to also modify the text in Section 8, as follows:

OLD
   When candidates are trickled, the signaling protocol MUST deliver
   each candidate to the receiving Trickle ICE implementation not more
   than once and in the same order it was conveyed.  If the signaling
   protocol provides any candidate retransmissions, they need to be
   hidden from the ICE implementation.

NEW
   When candidates are trickled, the signaling protocol MUST deliver
   each candidate (and any end-of-candidates indication as described in
   Section 8.2) to the receiving Trickle ICE implementation not more
   than once and in the same order it was conveyed.  If the signaling
   protocol provides any candidate retransmissions, they need to be
   hidden from the ICE implementation.

Peter


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I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat
these comments just like any other last call comments. The summary of
the review is READY.

I am unqualified to weigh in on the heavy networking aspects of this
draft, but I nevertheless found it approachable and understandable. My
one minor editorial comment is that the section with parameters
describes the effects, but never describes what the parameters are.

Sincerely,
Watson


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I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's=20
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the=20
IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the=20
security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat=20
these comments just like any other last call comments.

Summary: This draft presents a generic connection oriented yang model.

I am a novice on YANG models.  I did some review to try to analyze this =
draft, but any comments I make must take into account my lack of =
background.

I did review the IETF tutorial on YANG, which was helpful.  I also =
looked at draft-ietf-netmod-revised-datastores-07, =
draft-ietf-netmod-yang-tree-diagrams-02, draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam-05, =
draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-18, RFC7276, to varying levels =
of depth.  This gives you an idea of what fundamental concepts I might =
have missed.

The security considerations section discusses the protocol protections =
provided by the underlying transport layers=E2=80=99 security.  It also =
points out that NETCONF =E2=80=9Cprovides the means to restrict =
access=E2=80=9D and then describes the subtrees and data nodes of the =
model that are particularly sensitive or vulnerable.  The dual draft for =
connectionless oam does the same.  The outline seems adequate, I have no =
way to judge if the list is sufficient.

Subtree hierarchies down to data nodes are described.  I=E2=80=99m not =
sure why the tree hierarchy is described - perhaps the protections for =
each lower levels of the hierarchy is increasingly sensitive and would =
need protections that exceed the parent=E2=80=99s. =20

One of the examples of a sensitive component is a data node that is =
taken from the TRILL extensions provided in Section 7.  Later working =
group completion of the TRILL data model might change that data node.  =20=


I believe that a generic YANG cam model also exists, defined in =
draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model, which appears in a =E2=80=9Creference=E2=80=
=9D in a =E2=80=9Crevision=E2=80=9D definition. Is this connection =
oriented model an extension of the YANG generic oam model.  The document =
talks of this model as if it is a new model; it refers to itself as a =
=E2=80=9Cgeneric base model=E2=80=9D.   Note my back of background - I =
might not understand the YANG hierarchy. =20

This document does not address its relationship to the generic YANG oam =
model, although it does address the dual connectionless model =
draft-ietf-lime-yang-connectionless-oam-18.

At any rate, draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model should be explicitly =
mentioned and added to the reference list.

It is not clear to me what the relationship is between models that are =
extensions of the YANG generic base model, and those that are extensions =
to this YANG connection oriented generic base model.  For example, a =
TRILL extension to the generic base model exists, but this document =
defines =E2=80=9Csnippets=E2=80=9D of TRILL extensions of this =
connection oriented generic base model.  Should tools implement both?

I found many nits, and gave up on finding them all.  The RFC Editor will =
find them, I=E2=80=99m sure.  I=E2=80=99ve put a list at the end.

I have some most substantive comments and confusion about Sections 3, 4, =
and 7.

Section 3

This section is describing the connection oriented generic base YANG =
model, but continually mixes in the term generic YANG model.  Since a =
generic YANG model seems to exist, this is confusing.

e.g.

3.  Architecture of Generic YANG Model for OAM

but then the first sentence says

   In this document we define a generic YANG model for connection
   oriented OAM protocols.

and then
      The Generic YANG model acts as the root for other OAM YANG
   models.

Is that describing this model, or the generic YANG model of =
draft-ietf-lime-yang-oam-model?

and

                         Figure 1 depicts the relationship of different
   OAM YANG models to the Generic YANG Model for connection oriented
   OAM.  The Generic YANG model for OAM provides =E2=80=A6

Is the second Generic YANG model this model or the truly generic yang =
model?

The figure starts with "Connection Oriented gen OAM YANG=E2=80=9D with =
=E2=80=9CTRILL OAM YANG=E2=80=9D underneath.  But the figure title is =
"Relationship of OAM YANG model to generic (base) YANG model=E2=80=9D.  =
Also, TRILL has an extension of the truly generic yang model in =
draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam-05.  Does the diagram refer to that model or =
to the extension =E2=80=9Csnippets=E2=80=9D defined in Section 7 of this =
document.

Sec 4 pg 8

                                                      The default
   mode of OAM is referred to as the Base Mode and specifies default
   values for each of model parameters.
   . . .
   on.  The default values of these depend on the technology.  Base Mode
   for TRILL is defined in [RFC7455].  Base mode for other technologies
   and future extensions developed in IETF will be defined in their
   corresponding documents.

So each new technology extending this connection oriented base YANG =
model must redefine the default values for the model parameters?

   tools.  The OAM tools used here are limited to OAM toolset specified
   in section 5.1 of [RFC7276].=20

What is meant by =E2=80=9Cused here=E2=80=9D?  Is this standard limited =
to the tools of RF7276?

Section 7

This section "demonstrates the usability of the connection-oriented YANG =
OAM data model=E2=80=9D by supplying =E2=80=9Csnippets of =
technology-specific model extensions for illustrative purposes=E2=80=9D. =
 It notes that this is not a complete extension, which would have to =
come from the working groups.  There is continued lack of distinction =
between this documents connection oriented base YANG model and the =
generic base YANG model.

I am confused about what it means to have a model that extends the =
generic base YANG model and one that extends the connection oriented =
generic base model of this document.  How are the two extensions =
related?  Can they be used simultaneously in the same network?  Would =
they both be implemented on a device?


Sec 7.1 pg 41

   The TRILL YANG module is augmenting connection oriented OAM module
   for both configuration and RPC commands.

This is not clear.  Does this mean "The TRILL connection oriented YANG =
module described in this section augments the connection oriented OAM =
module of this document=E2=80=A6"

   The TRILL YANG module requires the base TRILL module ([I-D.ietf-
   trill-yang])=20

This is not in the reference list.  It is perhaps intended to be =
draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam-05.

Sec 7.1.1.1 pg 42

      identity trill{
       base co-oam:technology-types;
       description
        "trill type";
      }

In draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam-05, the similar definition is:

   identity trill {    base goam:technology-types;    description
   "trill type";  }

So draft-ietf-trill-yang-oam-05 does extend the =E2=80=9Cgoam=E2=80=9D =
model and this draft extend the =E2=80=9Cco-oam=E2=80=9D model.  =
Correct?

Would both identities be used in managing a device?

=E2=80=94Sandy

Nits

Sec 1 pg 3

                                        ITU-T
   [G.8013], MEF Service OAM, MPLS-TP [RFC6371], TRILL [RFC7455] all

missing an =E2=80=9Cand=E2=80=9D in there somewhere, I think.

Sec 2.2 pg 5

   Connectivity Verification  - Connectivity Verification are used to
      verify that a destination is connected.  It are also referred to

=E2=80=9Cis used=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cis also referred=E2=80=9D

Sec 2.2 pg 6

      diagnostics.  On-demand OAM method requires only transient
      configuration.

=E2=80=9CA On-demand OAM=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9CThe On-demand OAM=E2=80=9D

Sec 3 pg 6

   technology- specific YANG models can inherit constructs from the base

=E2=80=9Ctechnology-specific=E2=80=9D

Sec 4 pg 7

   Under each Maintenance Domain there is one or more Maintenance
   Association (MA).  In TRILL this can be per Fine-Grained Label.

=E2=80=9CAssociations=E2=80=9D

It is not clear about TRILL - are multiple MA=E2=80=99s defined per =
Fine-Grained Label?  If so, are there multiple Fine-Grained Labels under =
the Maintenance Domain?  What is the MD - FGL - MA structure?

   In the vertical direction orthogonal to the Maintenance Domain,
   presented are the commands. =20

I do not understand this, particularly the =E2=80=9Cpresented are the =
commands=E2=80=9D part.  That is not usual word order and I can not =
rearrange the sentence to make sense.  And what is meant by =E2=80=9Cverti=
cal direction=E2=80=9D?

Sec 4 pg 8

   tools.  The OAM tools used here are limited to OAM toolset specified
   in section 5.1 of [RFC7276].=20

=E2=80=9Cto the OAM toolset=E2=80=9D


Sec 4.1 pg 8

   module.  Within the container "domains", separate list is maintained

=E2=80=9Ca separate list=E2=80=9D

Sec 4.4 pg 10

   The RPC model facilitates issuing commands to a "server" (in this
   case to the device that need to execute the OAM command) and obtain a

=E2=80=9Cneeds=E2=80=9D

=E2=80=9Cand obtaining=E2=80=9D

Sec 4.5 pg 13

   Notification is sent on defect condition and defect clears with
   Maintenance Domain Name, MA Name

=E2=80=9CNotification is sent on detecting a defect condition and on =
clearing the defect=E2=80=9D?

Sec 4.6 pg 13

   Grouping for monitoring statistics is to be used by YANG modules
   which Augment YANG to provide statistics

what does the =E2=80=9CAugment YANG=E2=80=9D mean here? What is being =
augmented - the generic base model or this connection oriented base =
model?

Sec 5 pg 20

    description
      "If no proactive Continuity Check (CC)
       OAM packets from the source Maintenance End Point
       (MEP) (and in the case of Connectivity
       Verification , this includes the
       requirement to have the expected unique,
       technology dependent source MEP
       identifier) are received within the interval.=E2=80=9D;

This is unclear.  =E2=80=9Cto have the =E2=80=A6 identifier=E2=80=9D - =
to possess it?  not received packets from it?=20

Sec 5 page 29

  container domains {
    description
      "Contains configuration related data. Within the container
       is list of fault domains. Within each domian has List of
       Maintenance Association (MA).=E2=80=9D;

what does the =E2=80=9CWithin each domian has List=E2=80=9D part mean?  =
Within each domain there is a list=E2=80=9D

=E2=80=9Clist=E2=80=9D not =E2=80=9CLIST=E2=80=9D, unless that=E2=80=99s =
a identifier somewhere.

and
      description
        "Define the list of fault Domains within the
         ietf-connection-oriented-oam module.=E2=80=9D;

This is the only place =E2=80=9Cfault domain=E2=80=9D is used.  Should =
that term be defined somewhere?

Sec 7.2 pg 44

   The MPLS-TP OAM YANG module can augment connection oriented OAM
   Module with some technology-specific details.=20

=E2=80=9Cthe=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cthis=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cconnection =
oriented OAM module=E2=80=9D

Other places, the text says =E2=80=9Cconnection oriented base model=E2=80=9D=
.  Consistency could help.

Sec 7.2.2 pg 46

   can be inherited in the MPLS-TP OAM model and set by Connection
   Oriented base model as default values.

Why is connection oriented capitalized here?






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Reviewer: Stephen Farrell
Review result: Ready


I reviewed the diff between -18 and RFC6087. [1]

   [1] https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=rfc6087&url2=draft-ietf-netmod-rfc6087bis-18

I assume the security ADs were involved already in discussion about
the new security considerations template in 3.7.1 and the text there
does seem fine to me, so I won't even nit-pick about it:-)

I do have some other nits to note though.

- There are a number of URLs given for access to updated materials
that use http schemed URLs and that do not use https schemed URLs.
There was a recent IESG statement to the effect that those'd be better
as https URLs. The first such example is in 3.1. In fact that URL is
re-directed (for me) to https. I think a general pass to fix such URLs
to use https wherever possible would be easy and better practice.

- Some of the namespaces use http schemed URLs, for example in
section 4.2. I don't know if people are expected to de-reference such
URLs, but if they are then it'd be good to say if https is better to use
or not. (I'd argue it is.) If those URLs are not expected to be 
de-referenced, then saying that would be good. (Not that it'd stop 
people de-referencing 'em so the change is better in any case;-)

Cheers,
S.


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Reviewer: Brian Weis
Review result: Has Nits

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments
were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document
editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call
comments.

This document describes monitoring features related to media streams  in Web
real-time communication (WebRTC).  The monitoring features are sent in Sender
and Receiver Reports through RTCP along with other metrics related to the
transport of multimedia flows. The new monitoring features are comprised of
packet counts and other packet-related statistics (e.g., jitter).

The Security Considerations states that there are no additional security
considerations beyond those mentioned in related documents, and I believe this
is true. There is one reference in this section that needs to be fixed:
[RFC3792] is not correct. I assumed it should have been RFC 6792.

Also, it would be helpful to add a reference in Section 5.3 to RFC 7294 to
identify the source for "concealment metrics". A security reviewer will
naturally want to know what property "concealment" is intended to provide, and
it took some hunting down to find it and determine that it wasn't relevant.


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Hi,

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
IESG.  These comments were written with the intent of improving
security requirements and considerations in IETF drafts.  Comments
not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the
IESG review.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat these
comments just like any other last call comments.

Summary:

Ready to publish.

Details:

Obviously the security of this solution is based on the full trust of
the complete end-to-end BIER network.  There is no cryptography to
ensure that a packet is not manipulated enroute which would change the
bit-fields.  The good news is that it's probably hard to inject a
BIER-headed packet into the network from the outside (once it hits an
external router it would be re-encapsulated).  On the other hand there
is nothing to stop a bad-actor internal router from creating a bogus
BIER header or modifying an existing BIER header.  I suspect this is
already handled in the MPLS and IGP Security Considerations, but I
wanted to ensure that the IESG was aware of this restriction (which is
not explicitly stated here).

-derek
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Hi,

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
IESG.  These comments were written with the intent of improving
security requirements and considerations in IETF drafts.  Comments
not addressed in last call may be included in AD reviews during the
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comments just like any other last call comments.

Summary:

Ready to publish (with minor edits).

Details:

There is a typo in Figure 2 on page 7 where you have two instances of
"Tenant2 Site 2".  I suspect that RBat2 should be labeled Tenant2 Site
1.  The same mistake is in Figure 4 on page 11.

-derek

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  I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's =
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. =
These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security =
area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these =
comments just like any other last call comments.

  The summary of the review is ready with nits.

4.  The "record_size_limit" Extension
	... an endpoint
   MUST NOT send a value higher than the protocol-defined maximum record
   size ...

Comment: That's good, so later we have:

   The record size limit can interact with the maximum transmission unit
   (MTU) in DTLS, but it is a separate and independent constraint on
   record size.

Nit:  perhaps say that this is an *additional* constraint.  Which is (to =
me) a clearer indication that both constraints must be matched.  =
"independent" constraints sound like not only they vary independently, =
but that they can be applied independently (i.e. separately).  Saying =
"additional" constraint is a clearer indication that both constraints =
must be applied at the same time.

   In particular, it is not appropriate to use the record
   size limit in place of path MTU detection.=20

Q: How would that be done?  I don't mean that the document needs to =
explain how to do something wrong.  I mean that it would be good to =
explain the misunderstanding which would lead to using record size limit =
in place of path MTU detection.

  e.g. "the reception of an illegal_parameter error on a session gives =
no information about the allowed MTU size"

   The record size limit is
   a fixed property of an endpoint that is set during the handshake and
   fixed thereafter.  In comparison, the MTU is determined by the
   network path and can change dynamically over time.

Comment:  it would be good to give guidance on what to do here, and what =
happens in error cases.

  e.g. should the record size limit to be set at the start of a session =
to the *smallest expected MTU*?  If so, what are the side effects?

  Or what about this - the MTU is large at the start of a session, and a =
record size limit is negotiated which matches that MTU.  At some later =
time, the MTU changes to a lower value than the negotiated record size =
limit.

  What happens then?  The application may receive an ICMP message =
indicating destination unreachable, with a code indicating fragmentation =
needed.  If Don't Fragment (DF) is not set.. the packet cannot be sent.

  Should the session be closed?  If not, why not?  If so, should the =
application keep track of minimum MTU across multiple sessions, and =
negotiate a value of record size limit which is more likely to work?

  It would be good to have guidance for edge / error conditions.  They =
tend to be a source of network problems and interoperability issues.

5.  Deprecating "max_fragment_length"
	...A server that supports the "record_size_limit"
   extension MUST ignore and "max_fragment_length"

Nit: this is probably "any" instead of "and".


  7.  IANA Considerations
	...
   This document registers the "record_size_limit" extension in the TLS
   "ExtensionType Values" registry ...

   In the same registry, the "max_fragment_length" [[has been|will be]]
   changed to a status of not recommended.

Comment: the registry has no "status" column.

  It may be useful to update that registry to add a "deprecated" note, =
perhaps as is done with the ICMP parameters registry:

https://www.iana.org/assignments/icmp-parameters/icmp-parameters.xhtml

  In which case the "max_fragment_length" entry should be changed to:

Value				1
Extension name		max_fragment_length (deprecated)
Reference			RFC6066, draft-ietf-tls-record-limit=


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Thanks Alan,

A few changes based on your feedback here:
https://github.com/tlswg/tls-record-limit/pull/17

On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com> wrote:
>    In particular, it is not appropriate to use the record
>    size limit in place of path MTU detection.
>
> Q: How would that be done?  I don't mean that the document needs to explain how to do something wrong.  I mean that it would be good to explain the misunderstanding which would lead to using record size limit in place of path MTU detection.

How would you mess this up?  Set record_size_limit to your MTU with
the expectation that this is sufficient.  Worse, the expectation that
peer has also done this.

The remainder of the paragraph is intended to make that distinction
clear.  i.e., this limit is inherently fixed by negotiation, the other
is dynamic.

> Comment:  it would be good to give guidance on what to do here, and what happens in error cases.

DTLS (RFC 6347) already has some fairly extensive guidance on PMTUD,
which I didn't want to replicate here.  You hit a lot of the issues in
your questions.  With some better citations, this is what I came up
with:

+The path maximum transmission unit (PMTU) in DTLS also limits the size of
+records.  The record size limit SHOULD be set independently of PMTU.  The
+record size limit is fixed during the handshake and so is best set based on
+constraints at the endpoint and not the current network environment.  In
+comparison, the PMTU is determined by the network path and can change
+dynamically over time.  See {{?PMTU=RFC8201}} and Section 4.1.1.1 of {{?DTLS}}
+for more detail on PMTU discovery.

> Comment: the registry has no "status" column.

Ahh, a problem of concurrent updates.
draft-ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates (which is going out just ahead of
this) adds that column.  I don't think that there was any intention of
creating an explicit dependency, which won't make sense in 5 years
time, but I guess we can add an informational reference.


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On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:19:19PM +1100, Martin Thomson wrote:
> Thanks Alan,

Yes, thanks!

> 
> A few changes based on your feedback here:
> https://github.com/tlswg/tls-record-limit/pull/17
> 
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 9:21 AM, Alan DeKok <aland@deployingradius.com> wrote:
> 
> > Comment: the registry has no "status" column.
> 
> Ahh, a problem of concurrent updates.
> draft-ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates (which is going out just ahead of
> this) adds that column.  I don't think that there was any intention of
> creating an explicit dependency, which won't make sense in 5 years
> time, but I guess we can add an informational reference.

Unfortunately draft-ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates is on the 5 April
telechat and will need to undergo another IETF Last Call to call out
downrefs for a handful of documents that it needs to Update.  So,
probably we should shuffle things around so the depndency goes the
other way.

-Benjamin


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Reviewer: David Waltermire
Review result: Has Issues

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  These
comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors.
 Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other
last call comments.

The summary of the review is Ready with issues.

In general this document is clearly-written and well-organized. It was a fun
read overall.

I have the following concerns with the draft:
-----------------------------------------------------------

Section 2.1:

You should use text from RFC8174 to indicate that lowercase versions of the
keywords are not normative.

Something like the following would work:

   The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT",
   "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "NOT RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and
   "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in BCP
   14 [RFC2119] [RFC8174] when, and only when, they appear in all
   capitals, as shown here.

Section 4.1.3.1:

"it can be long-lived with no need for rekeying" Small is open to
interpretation. It would be useful to include some guidance on the expected
amount of data to be exchanged before rekeying would be needed, or why this is
a practical impossibility.

Section 5.3.2 and 5.3.3:

In the paragraph on TRANSPORT_FORMAT_LIST, it would be good to document the
specific ESP parameter value to be used from:
https://www.iana.org/assignments/hip-parameters/hip-parameters.xml#transport-modes.
This will remove any ambiguity.

Section 6.6:

In items #5 and #6, what is "an acceptable time span"? Some guidance here would
be helpful. I believe this is discussed earlier in the draft. Perhaps a
reference back may provide some clarity?

Section 6.9:

In #1, under what circumstances would the NOTIFY packet not be dropped
silently? Why is this not a MUST? Some explanation would be useful here. In
general, many of the SHOULDs in the section 6 subsections, could use further
justification.

Section 8:

What is "a reasonable delta time"? Some guidance here would be useful.

Section 9 (Security Considerations):

"The puzzle mechanism using CMAC may need further study regarding the level of
difficulty." Study of what? Is the concern here that the impact on constrained
devices at a higher level of difficulty is not well understood? Or is this
concern around identifying best practices around raising the difficulty under
specific conditions? A sentence or two on this would be helpful for the reader
to better understand the issue.

I don't see a mention of the non-protected Host Identity issue from section 1.1
here.

With regards to the 4th bullet, the text in section 3 should be referenced
regarding HIT collisions. (nit)-> Referencing back to the relevant sections for
the other bullets may also be useful.

>From section 5.3.1, I don't see a mention of the issues around dealing with I1
storms addressed here.

Section 10:

It can be useful for IANA to reference the specific registry by name and URL in
the IANA considerations. It can also be useful to include the actual table in
the IANA considerations section. These are embedded in section 5 in the current
document. Suggest moving these tables to the IANA consideration section.

I found the following nits in the draft:
-------------------------------------------------

Section 1.1:

In the text "any signaling that indicates such anonymity should be ignored" it
would be useful to provide an example of such signaling.

/may carry data payload/may carry a data payload/

The packets are referred to as 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th here, and as I1, R1, I2,
and R2 in section 4. Consider use a consistent naming approach throughout this
document to improve clarity.

Section 1.2:

Section 8 is not included in this summary. Suggest adding a sentence about it.

(nit) Section 10 is not linked as well.

Section 2:

/Terms and Definitions/Terms, Notation, and Definitions/

Section 3:

"other methods are used to map the data packets to the corresponding HIs" What
are these other methods? What if ESP is not used and the SPI is not an option?

Section 4.1.2.3:

In the diagram, I think there is a missing arrow between I2-SENT and R2-SENT.
Please double check. Also, this diagram is far from simple. Maybe name this
section "HIP State Diagram"?

Section 4.1.3.2:

"Even though this input" Please clarify the "this" indefinite article.

Section 4.1.4:

/This will limit state/Using non-volatile storage will limit state/

This section should reference section 6.11, since some of the content is
duplicated there.

Section 5.2.3:

/It is defined in/The HOST_ID parameter is defined in/

Section 5.2.5:

/at least 64 bit/at least 64 bits/

Update the reference "#I and the puzzle solution #J (see [RFC7401])" to point
to section 4.1.2 in RFC7401.

Section 5.3.2:

The discussion of difficulty K touches on a local policy issue that is
discussed in section 7. It could be useful to reference section 7 from here.

Update "(see [RFC7401])" to point to section 4.1.2 in RFC7401.

/based on which it chose the ECDH/based on which the Responder chose the ECDH/

Regards,
David Waltermire



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On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> wrote:
> Unfortunately draft-ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates is on the 5 April
> telechat and will need to undergo another IETF Last Call to call out
> downrefs for a handful of documents that it needs to Update.  So,
> probably we should shuffle things around so the depndency goes the
> other way.

I don't think that this is so urgent that it can't wait for the
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Hi Huaimo,

I am fine with the new suggested changes to the text.

Regards,
 Rifaat


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Huaimo Chen <huaimo.chen@huawei.com> wrote:

> Hi Rifaat,
>
>     Thank you much for your time and your valuable comments.
>     Answers to your questions are inline below with prefix [HC].
>     Would you mind reviewing them to see if they address the issues?
>
> Best Regards,
> Huaimo
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rifaat Shekh-Yusef [mailto:rifaat.ietf@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:28 PM
> To: secdir@ietf.org
> Cc: draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection.all@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org;
> teas@ietf.org
> Subject: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-
> protection-09
>
> Reviewer: Rifaat Shekh-Yusef
> Review result: Has Issues
>
> I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
> ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.
> These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area
> directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just
> like any other last call comments.
>
>    "A backup egress MUST be configured on the ingress of an LSP to
>    protect a primary egress of the LSP if and only if the backup egress
>    is not indicated in another place."
>
> Can you define "another place"? Is it the "primary egress"? others?
>
> [HC] Yes. Another place in this context is the primary egress.
> We will update the document accordingly as below:
>    "A backup egress MUST be configured on the ingress of an LSP to
>    protect a primary egress of the LSP if and only if the backup egress
>    is not configured on the primary egress."
>
>
>
>    "To protect a primary egress of an LSP, a backup egress MUST be
>    configured on the primary egress of the LSP to protect the primary
>    egress if and only if the backup egress is not indicated in another
>    place."
>
> Can you define "another place"? Is it the "ingress"? others?
>
> [HC] Yes. Another place in this context is the ingress.
> We will update the document accordingly as below:
>    "To protect a primary egress of an LSP, a backup egress MUST be
>    configured on the primary egress of the LSP to protect the primary
>    egress if and only if the backup egress is not configured on the
>    ingress."
>
>
>
>    "Note that protecting a primary egress of a P2P LSP carrying service
>    traffic through a backup egress requires that the backup egress trust
>    the primary egress for the information received for a service label
>    as UA label."
>
> Can you elaborate on this statement?
> How would the backup egress trust the primary egress?
>
> [HC] The information may be sent to the backup egress from the
> "primary egress" through another protocol such as BGP. The backup egress
> need to  make sure that the "primary egress" that another protocol uses
> is the same primary egress to be protected.
> The backup egress may check whether the remote end of the BGP session
> is the primary egress if BGP is used to send the information to the
> backup egress from the "primary egress".
> We will update the document accordingly as below:
>   "Note that protecting a primary egress of a P2P LSP carrying service
>    traffic through a backup egress requires that the backup egress make
>    sure that the "primary egress" sending the backup egress the information
>    on a service label as UA label through another protocol such as BGP is
>    the same primary egress to be protected."
>
>
> Regards,
>  Rifaat
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Huaimo,<div><br></div><div>I am fine with the new sugge=
sted changes to the text.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>=
=C2=A0Rifaat</div><div><br></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div =
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 4:45 PM, Huaimo Chen <span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:huaimo.chen@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">h=
uaimo.chen@huawei.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_q=
uote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1e=
x">Hi Rifaat,<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thank you much for your time and your valuable comments.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Answers to your questions are inline below with prefix [HC].<=
br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Would you mind reviewing them to see if they address the issu=
es?<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
Huaimo<br>
<span class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Rifaat Shekh-Yusef [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:rifaat.ietf@gmail.com">r=
ifaat.ietf@gmail.com</a>]<br>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 12:28 PM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:secdir@ietf.org">secdir@ietf.org</a><br>
Cc: <a href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-protection.all@ietf.org">=
draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-<wbr>protection.all@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"ma=
ilto:ietf@ietf.org">ietf@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:teas@ietf.org">tea=
s@ietf.org</a><br>
Subject: Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-teas-rsvp-egress-<wbr>protec=
tion-09<br>
<br>
Reviewer: Rifaat Shekh-Yusef<br>
Review result: Has Issues<br>
<br>
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate&#39;s ong=
oing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.=C2=A0=
 These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area=
 directors.=C2=A0 Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comment=
s just like any other last call comments.<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;A backup egress MUST be configured on the ingress of an =
LSP to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0protect a primary egress of the LSP if and only if the backup =
egress<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0is not indicated in another place.&quot;<br>
<br>
Can you define &quot;another place&quot;? Is it the &quot;primary egress&qu=
ot;? others?<br>
<br>
</span>[HC] Yes. Another place in this context is the primary egress.<br>
We will update the document accordingly as below:<br>
<span class=3D"">=C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;A backup egress MUST be configured on t=
he ingress of an LSP to<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0protect a primary egress of the LSP if and only if the backup =
egress<br>
</span>=C2=A0 =C2=A0is not configured on the primary egress.&quot;<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;To protect a primary egress of an LSP, a backup egress M=
UST be<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0configured on the primary egress of the LSP to protect the pri=
mary<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0egress if and only if the backup egress is not indicated in an=
other<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0place.&quot;<br>
<br>
Can you define &quot;another place&quot;? Is it the &quot;ingress&quot;? ot=
hers?<br>
<br>
</span>[HC] Yes. Another place in this context is the ingress.<br>
We will update the document accordingly as below:<br>
<span class=3D"">=C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;To protect a primary egress of an LSP, =
a backup egress MUST be<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0configured on the primary egress of the LSP to protect the pri=
mary<br>
</span>=C2=A0 =C2=A0egress if and only if the backup egress is not configur=
ed on the<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0ingress.&quot;<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;Note that protecting a primary egress of a P2P LSP carry=
ing service<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic through a backup egress requires that the backup egres=
s trust<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the primary egress for the information received for a service =
label<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0as UA label.&quot;<br>
<br>
Can you elaborate on this statement?<br>
How would the backup egress trust the primary egress?<br>
<br>
</span>[HC] The information may be sent to the backup egress from the<br>
&quot;primary egress&quot; through another protocol such as BGP. The backup=
 egress<br>
need to=C2=A0 make sure that the &quot;primary egress&quot; that another pr=
otocol uses<br>
is the same primary egress to be protected.<br>
The backup egress may check whether the remote end of the BGP session<br>
is the primary egress if BGP is used to send the information to the<br>
backup egress from the &quot;primary egress&quot;.<br>
We will update the document accordingly as below:<br>
<span class=3D"">=C2=A0 &quot;Note that protecting a primary egress of a P2=
P LSP carrying service<br>
</span>=C2=A0 =C2=A0traffic through a backup egress requires that the backu=
p egress make<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0sure that the &quot;primary egress&quot; sending the backup eg=
ress the information<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0on a service label as UA label through another protocol such a=
s BGP is<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the same primary egress to be protected.&quot;<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
=C2=A0Rifaat<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>

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On Feb 22, 2018, at 8:19 PM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> =
wrote:
> A few changes based on your feedback here:
> https://github.com/tlswg/tls-record-limit/pull/17

  Thanks. That helps.

> The remainder of the paragraph is intended to make that distinction
> clear.  i.e., this limit is inherently fixed by negotiation, the other
> is dynamic.

  My point is that those two limits may agree or disagree dynamically.  =
So it would be good to give guidance on what to do when a previous =
agreement dynamically changes to disagreement.

>> Comment:  it would be good to give guidance on what to do here, and =
what happens in error cases.
>=20
> DTLS (RFC 6347) already has some fairly extensive guidance on PMTUD,
> which I didn't want to replicate here.  You hit a lot of the issues in
> your questions.  With some better citations, this is what I came up
> with:

  That still doesn't give guidance.  What happens if the record size =
limit is fine at the start of a session, and then MTU changes, and the =
packets no longer make it through?   What does the application do?

  RFC 6347 Section 4.1.1.1 gives some guidance, but I think not enough.  =
Exposing the MTU to the application is good, but what does the =
application *do* with this information?

  e.g. PMTU should be exposed to the application as per Section 4.1.1.1 =
of {{?DTLS}}.  If the PTMU changes, the application may discover that =
the new MTU is smaller than the record size limit.  In that situation, =
the only recourse available may be to close the session, and to open a =
newer one with a smaller record size limit that is compatible with the =
new MTU.

  Alan DeKok.


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On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:33 PM, Martin Thomson
<martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 12:49 PM, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> wrote:
>> Unfortunately draft-ietf-tls-iana-registry-updates is on the 5 April
>> telechat and will need to undergo another IETF Last Call to call out
>> downrefs for a handful of documents that it needs to Update.  So,
>> probably we should shuffle things around so the depndency goes the
>> other way.
>
> I don't think that this is so urgent that it can't wait for the
> registry updates to happen.

OK, I can move it to the next telechat and Ben can take over the AD
role for the draft.

Thanks.



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Best regards,
Kathleen


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On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 09:49:11AM -0500, Alan DeKok wrote:
> On Feb 22, 2018, at 8:19 PM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A few changes based on your feedback here:
> > https://github.com/tlswg/tls-record-limit/pull/17
> 
>   Thanks. That helps.
> 
> > The remainder of the paragraph is intended to make that distinction
> > clear.  i.e., this limit is inherently fixed by negotiation, the other
> > is dynamic.
> 
>   My point is that those two limits may agree or disagree dynamically.  So it would be good to give guidance on what to do when a previous agreement dynamically changes to disagreement.
> 
> >> Comment:  it would be good to give guidance on what to do here, and what happens in error cases.
> > 
> > DTLS (RFC 6347) already has some fairly extensive guidance on PMTUD,
> > which I didn't want to replicate here.  You hit a lot of the issues in
> > your questions.  With some better citations, this is what I came up
> > with:
> 
>   That still doesn't give guidance.  What happens if the record size limit is fine at the start of a session, and then MTU changes, and the packets no longer make it through?   What does the application do?
> 
>   RFC 6347 Section 4.1.1.1 gives some guidance, but I think not enough.  Exposing the MTU to the application is good, but what does the application *do* with this information?
> 
>   e.g. PMTU should be exposed to the application as per Section 4.1.1.1 of {{?DTLS}}.  If the PTMU changes, the application may discover that the new MTU is smaller than the record size limit.  In that situation, the only recourse available may be to close the session, and to open a newer one with a smaller record size limit that is compatible with the new MTU.

The record size limit is a cap, not a mandatory record size.  So,
the application could just send smaller records that fit within the
new PMTU, provided both sides have the proper logic around PMTU
discovery and record sizing.

-Benjamin


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Reviewer: Liang Xia
Review result: Has Issues

In general, this document is well-written and considers security issues
carefully throughout the whole architecture.

nits:
Abstract: /or not misconfigured/or misconfigured/

the fifth paragraph of section 6.1: the last ")" is redundant, therefore can be
deleted

some section titles don't comply the rule of starting from a capital letter

section 6.5
/("IP security", see [RFC4301] and "Internet Key Exchange protocol version 2",
see [RFC7296]/("IP security", see [RFC4301] and "Internet Key Exchange protocol
version 2", see [RFC7296])/

suggestion:
all the Figures (e.g., Figure 1,2...) should have a title for explanation

section 2, please update the last paragraph to reference RFC8174 to indicate
that lowercase versions of the keywords are not normative

Section 11 (Security Considerations) Since section 9.2 has described the
self-protection properties of ACP well, it may be useful in this section to
mention them as a whole.


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Reviewer: Paul Wouters
Review result: Has Issues

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's  ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  These
comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors.
 Document editors and WG chairs should treat  these comments just like any
other last call comments.

The summary of the review is Has Issues.

This Informational draft specifies an information model for routing information
bases (RIBs) , and hints at how a read/write API would look like. I think the
document should be improved to clarify this API beyond a simple mention of SSH
and TLS in its own section, outside of the Security Consideration section. For
example, if this is TLS, what is used? Something restful? xml? json? What would
the URI be? And for ssh, what kind of access would be given? How is this
restricted to the RIB API ?



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Paul: 

The current I2RS  RIB Data model is a yang model which can be access via
netconf and restconf with the restrictions in the network management
datastore architecture.   Are you looking for us to specify the
netconf/restconf suite protocols, and the CBOR for binary in this section. 

If you are looking for more than that, are you looking for what is in 
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-security-environment-reqs/

Thank you, 
Sue Hares
WG co-chair

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Reviewer: Paul Wouters
Review result: Has Issues

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's  ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  These
comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area
directors.
 Document editors and WG chairs should treat  these comments just like any
other last call comments.

The summary of the review is Has Issues.

This Informational draft specifies an information model for routing
information bases (RIBs) , and hints at how a read/write API would look
like. I think the document should be improved to clarify this API beyond a
simple mention of SSH and TLS in its own section, outside of the Security
Consideration section. For example, if this is TLS, what is used? Something
restful? xml? json? What would the URI be? And for ssh, what kind of access
would be given? How is this restricted to the RIB API ?


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Paul:

I hit return to soon.  Thank you for the security review. 

Cheerily, Susan Hares 

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Paul: 

The current I2RS  RIB Data model is a yang model which can be access via
netconf and restconf with the restrictions in the network management
datastore architecture.   Are you looking for us to specify the
netconf/restconf suite protocols, and the CBOR for binary in this section. 

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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-security-environment-reqs/

Thank you,
Sue Hares
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Subject: [i2rs] Secdir last call review of draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-info-model-14

Reviewer: Paul Wouters
Review result: Has Issues

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's  ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  These
comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area
directors.
 Document editors and WG chairs should treat  these comments just like any
other last call comments.

The summary of the review is Has Issues.

This Informational draft specifies an information model for routing
information bases (RIBs) , and hints at how a read/write API would look
like. I think the document should be improved to clarify this API beyond a
simple mention of SSH and TLS in its own section, outside of the Security
Consideration section. For example, if this is TLS, what is used? Something
restful? xml? json? What would the URI be? And for ssh, what kind of access
would be given? How is this restricted to the RIB API ?


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On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 6:17 AM, Benjamin Kaduk <kaduk@mit.edu> wrote:
> The record size limit is a cap, not a mandatory record size.

That's right.  Alan, does that address your primary concern?

> On Fri, Feb 23, 2018 at 09:49:11AM -0500, Alan DeKok wrote:
>>   RFC 6347 Section 4.1.1.1 gives some guidance, but I think not enough.  Exposing the MTU to the application is good, but what does the application *do* with this information?

In many cases, nothing.

My understanding of DTLS implementations is that the size of a write
determines the size of the packet that is ultimately sent.  Say I
write 100 octets to the socket, so DTLS writes out a record of 128
octets.

What stacks do when a write exceeds PMTU differs.  The same applies to
this new limit:

* The stack I work on splits records based on its understanding of the
MTU, but it only learns that during the handshake and so relies mostly
on the application making smaller writes.  (There is currently no way
to set the MTU, which is an open bug.)  It also sends a single record
in each packet for application data, so the net effect of a large
write is multiple UDP datagrams with one record each.

If your stack operates like this, then the information is pretty much
just advisory.  The only thing you might contemplate is changing any
coalescing rules you might have to compensate.

* If a stack did automatic splits, but then put multiple records in
the same datagram, that's the same for a using application.

* If a stack rejects large writes and forces the application to write
within its constraints, then that stack needs to be clear about what
limit was in force, such as through the use of specific error codes.
Such stack that adds this feature would need to be careful about
introducing this feature.


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> On Feb 25, 2018, at 10:59 AM, Paul Wouters <paul@nohats.ca> wrote:
>=20
> Reviewer: Paul Wouters
> Review result: Has Issues
>=20
> I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's  =
ongoing
> effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG.  =
These
> comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area =
directors.
> Document editors and WG chairs should treat  these comments just like =
any
> other last call comments.
>=20
> The summary of the review is Has Issues.
>=20
> This Informational draft specifies an information model for routing =
information
> bases (RIBs) , and hints at how a read/write API would look like. I =
think the
> document should be improved to clarify this API beyond a simple =
mention of SSH
> and TLS in its own section, outside of the Security Consideration =
section. For
> example, if this is TLS, what is used? Something restful? xml? json? =
What would
> the URI be? And for ssh, what kind of access would be given? How is =
this
> restricted to the RIB API ?

When I was reviewing the draft, I was wondering if the document needs a =
Security Considerations section. I would say that the information model =
should describe the routing information. I do not think it should =
specify it. It is more the data model (draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model) =
that defines or specifies the model, and should have security =
considerations documented.

Suggest /specifies/describes/g

>=20
>=20
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should treat &nbsp;these comments just like any<br class=3D"">other last =
call comments.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The summary of the review is =
Has Issues.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">This Informational draft =
specifies an information model for routing information<br class=3D"">bases=
 (RIBs) , and hints at how a read/write API would look like. I think =
the<br class=3D"">document should be improved to clarify this API beyond =
a simple mention of SSH<br class=3D"">and TLS in its own section, =
outside of the Security Consideration section. For<br class=3D"">example, =
if this is TLS, what is used? Something restful? xml? json? What =
would<br class=3D"">the URI be? And for ssh, what kind of access would =
be given? How is this<br class=3D"">restricted to the RIB API ?<br =
class=3D""></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=3D""></div>When I was =
reviewing the draft, I was wondering if the document needs a Security =
Considerations section. I would say that the information model =
should&nbsp;<b class=3D"">describe</b>&nbsp;the routing information. I =
do not think it should specify it. It is more the data model =
(draft-ietf-i2rs-rib-data-model) that defines or specifies the model, =
and should have security considerations documented.</div><div><br =
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<div class=3D"">Mahesh Jethanandani</div><div class=3D""><a =
href=3D"mailto:mjethanandani@gmail.com" =
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Hi Brian,

Thank you for the comments. We'll fix these nits in the next version.

BR,
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All,
The following Project Authorization Requests (PARs) will be considered at
the IEEE 802 Mar 2018 Plenary:
*	P802.1CBcv - Amendment: Information Model, YANG Data Model and
Management Information Base Module, PAR
<http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2017/cv-draft-PAR-1017-v03.pdf>
and CSD
<http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2017/cv-draft-CSD-0917-v01.pdf> 
*	802.1DC - Standard for Quality of Service Provision by Network
Systems
PAR <http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/dc-draft-PAR-0118-v03.pdf>
and CSD
<http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/dc-draft-CSD-0118-v02.pdf> 
*	802.1CBdb -  Amendment: Extended Stream Identification Functions,
PAR <http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/db-draft-PAR-0118-v02.pdf>
and CSD
<http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/db-draft-CSD-0118-v01.pdf> 
*	802.1Qcz - Amendment: Congestion Isolation, PAR
<http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-dcb-congdon-draft-conges
tion-isolation-PAR-0118-v04.pdf>  and CSD
<http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-dcb-congdon-draft-conges
tion-isolation-CSD-0118-v02.pdf> 
*	P60802 - Standard:  Time-Sensitive Networking Profile for Industrial
Automation, PAR
<http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/P60802-draft-PAR-0118-v01.pdf>
and CSD
<http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/P60802-draft-CSD-0118-v01.pdf> 
*	802.3cg, Amendment: 10 Mb/s Operation over Single Balanced
Twisted-pair Cabling and Associated Power Delivery, PAR Modification
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0013-01-00EC-ieee-p802-3cg-draf
t-par-modification-request.pdf>  and CSD Modification
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0014-01-00EC-ieee-p802-3cg-draf
t-csd-modifications.pdf> 
*	802.3ck - Amendment: 100 Gb/s Signaling, PAR
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0015-01-00EC-ieee-p802-3ck-draf
t-par.pdf>  and CSD
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0016-01-00EC-ieee-p802-3ck-draf
t-csd.pdf> 
*	802.3cm - Amendment: 400Gb/s over MMF, PAR
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0017-01-00EC-ieee-p802-3cm-draf
t-par.pdf>  and CSD
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0018-01-00EC-ieee-p802-3cm-draf
t-csd.pdf> 
*	802.11bb - Amendment:  Light Communications (LC), PAR
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/17/11-17-1604-08-00lc-a-par-proposal-for
-light-communications.docx>  and CSD
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/17/11-17-1603-07-00lc-a-csd-proposal-for
-light-communications.docx> 
*	802.15.4w - Amendment: LPWA (Low Power  Wide Area), PAR
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/18/15-18-0050-03-0000-802-15-4w-par-draf
t.pdf>  and CSD
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/18/15-18-0053-02-lpwa-csd-for-802-15-4w-
lpwan-phy.docx> 
*	802.15.4x - Amendment: FANE (Field Area Network Enhancements), PAR
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/17/15-17-0624-04-fane-fane-proposed-par.
pdf>  and CSD
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/17/15-17-0622-03-fane-proposed-fane-csd.
docx> 
*	802.15.4y - Amendment: SECN (Security Next Generation), PAR
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/18/15-18-0037-03-secn-draft-par-for-4y.p
df>  and CSD
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/18/15-18-0040-04-secn-draft-csd-for-4y.d
ocx> 
*	802.15.4z - Amendment: EIR (Enhanced IR-UWB Ranging), PAR
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/18/15-18-0059-01-0elr-802-15-4z-elr-par-
draft.pdf>  and CSD
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/18/15-18-0036-01-0000-draft-csd-154z-elr
.docx> 
*	802.22.3 - Standard: Spectrum Characterization and Occupancy Sensing
, PAR Modification
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/18/22-18-0005-00-0003-802-22-3-par-modif
ication.docx> , PAR Extension
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/18/22-18-0006-00-0003-802-22-3-par-exten
sion.docx> , and CSD
<https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/14/22-14-0061-07-0003-802-22-spectrum-ch
aracterization-and-occupancy-sensing-csd.docx> 
The PARs can be found at http://www.ieee802.org/PARs.shtml along with the
supporting IEEE 802 Criteria for Standards Development, or CSD, (which
includes the 5 criteria, i.e. the explanations of how they fit the IEEE 802
criteria for initiating new work).
Any comments on a proposed PAR should be sent to the Working Group chair
identified on the PAR to be received by 6:30 PM (Chicago, IL, USA, CST ),
Tuesday, Mar 6 (12:30am UTC, Mar 7, 2018)
Regards,
John D'Ambrosia
Recording Secretary, IEEE 802 LMSC 


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<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">The =
following Project Authorization Requests (PARs) will be considered at =
the IEEE 802</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Mar 2018</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> Plenary:</FONT></SPAN></P>

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LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> <FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">P802.1CBcv - Amendment: Information Model, YANG =
Data Model and Management Information Base Module,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2017/cv-draft-PAR-1017-=
v03.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">PAR</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2017/cv-draft-CSD-0917-=
v01.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

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FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
New">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.1DC - Standard for Quality =
of Service Provision by Network Systems<BR>
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/dc-draft-PAR-0118-v03.=
pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">PAR</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/dc-draft-CSD-0118-v02.=
pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
New">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.1CBdb -&nbsp; Amendment: =
Extended Stream Identification Functions,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/db-draft-PAR-0118-v02.=
pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">PAR</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/db-draft-CSD-0118-v01.=
pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

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FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
New">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.1Qcz - Amendment: =
Congestion Isolation,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-dcb-congdon-dr=
aft-congestion-isolation-PAR-0118-v04.pdf"><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">PAR</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/new-dcb-congdon-dr=
aft-congestion-isolation-CSD-0118-v02.pdf"><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
New">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">P60802 - Standard:&nbsp; =
Time-Sensitive Networking Profile for Industrial =
Automation,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/P60802-draft-PAR-0118-=
v01.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">PAR</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://ieee802.org/1/files/public/docs2018/P60802-draft-CSD-0118-=
v01.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
New">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.3cg, Amendment: 10 Mb/s =
Operation over Single Balanced Twisted-pair Cabling and Associated Power =
Delivery,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0013-01-00EC-ieee-p80=
2-3cg-draft-par-modification-request.pdf"><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PAR =
Modification</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> =
and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0014-01-00EC-ieee-p80=
2-3cg-draft-csd-modifications.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">CSD Modification</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
New">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.3ck - Amendment: 100 Gb/s =
Signaling,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0015-01-00EC-ieee-p80=
2-3ck-draft-par.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PAR</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0016-01-00EC-ieee-p80=
2-3ck-draft-csd.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
New">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.3cm - Amendment: 400Gb/s =
over MMF,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0017-01-00EC-ieee-p80=
2-3cm-draft-par.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PAR</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802-ec/dcn/18/ec-18-0018-01-00EC-ieee-p80=
2-3cm-draft-csd.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
New">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.11bb - Amendment:&nbsp; =
Light Communications (LC),</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/17/11-17-1604-08-00lc-a-par-pr=
oposal-for-light-communications.docx"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PAR</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.11/dcn/17/11-17-1603-07-00lc-a-csd-pr=
oposal-for-light-communications.docx"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
New">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.15.4w - Amendment: LPWA =
(Low Power&nbsp; Wide Area),</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/18/15-18-0050-03-0000-802-15-4=
w-par-draft.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PAR</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/18/15-18-0053-02-lpwa-csd-for-=
802-15-4w-lpwan-phy.docx"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
New">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.15.4x - Amendment: FANE =
(Field Area Network Enhancements),</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
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LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

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COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.15.4y - Amendment: SECN =
(Security Next Generation),</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/18/15-18-0037-03-secn-draft-pa=
r-for-4y.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
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LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
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d-for-4y.docx"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
New">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></FONT> <FONT =
COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.15.4z - Amendment: EIR =
(Enhanced IR-UWB Ranging),</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/18/15-18-0059-01-0elr-802-15-4=
z-elr-par-draft.pdf"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
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LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"> and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.15/dcn/18/15-18-0036-01-0000-draft-cs=
d-154z-elr.docx"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
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SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
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<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Symbol">&#183;<FONT FACE=3D"Courier =
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COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">802.22.3 - Standard: Spectrum =
Characterization and Occupancy Sensing ,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
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LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PAR Modification</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/18/22-18-0006-00-0003-802-22-3=
-par-extension.docx"><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">PAR Extension</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" =
SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">, and</FONT></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"> =
</SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"https://mentor.ieee.org/802.22/dcn/14/22-14-0061-07-0003-802-22-s=
pectrum-characterization-and-occupancy-sensing-csd.docx"><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">CSD</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">The PARs can be found at</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"> </SPAN><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.ieee802.org/PARs.shtml"><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><U><FONT COLOR=3D"#0563C1" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">http://www.ieee802.org/PARs.shtml</FONT></U></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN></A><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial"> along with the supporting IEEE 802 Criteria for =
Standards Development, or CSD, (which includes the 5 criteria, i.e. the =
explanations of how they fit the IEEE 802 criteria for initiating new =
work).</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Any =
comments on a proposed PAR should be sent to the Working Group chair =
identified on the PAR to be received by 6:30 PM (</FONT></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN =
LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Chicago, =
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LANG=3D"en-us"></SPAN><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">John D&#8217;Ambrosia</FONT></SPAN></P>

<P DIR=3DLTR><SPAN LANG=3D"en-us"><FONT SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Recording Secretary, IEEE 802 LMSC </FONT></SPAN></P>

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Hi,

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat
these comments just like any other last call comments.

The summary of the review is: ready with nits.

(nit) Section 2: What is a "ufrag pair"? Is it short for username 
fragment pair? I might have just missed it, but I don't see a definition 
in the referenced terminology.

(nit) Section 15: If I understand correctly, the signaling protocol also 
needs to guarantee that the end-of-candidates indication is not 
re-ordered with respect to any trickled candidates. Is that correct? Is 
it worth adding to the requirements?

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On 02/21/2018 06:56 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote:
> Good catch - in-order delivery applies here as well.
> 
> OLD
>     o  A signaling protocol MUST deliver each trickled candidate not more
>        than once and in the same order it was conveyed (see Section 8).
> 
> NEW
>     o  A signaling protocol MUST deliver each trickled candidate or
>        end-of-candidates indication not more than once and in the same
>        order it was conveyed (see Section 8).
> 
> We might want to also modify the text in Section 8, as follows:
> 
> OLD
>     When candidates are trickled, the signaling protocol MUST deliver
>     each candidate to the receiving Trickle ICE implementation not more
>     than once and in the same order it was conveyed.  If the signaling
>     protocol provides any candidate retransmissions, they need to be
>     hidden from the ICE implementation.
> 
> NEW
>     When candidates are trickled, the signaling protocol MUST deliver
>     each candidate (and any end-of-candidates indication as described in
>     Section 8.2) to the receiving Trickle ICE implementation not more
>     than once and in the same order it was conveyed.  If the signaling
>     protocol provides any candidate retransmissions, they need to be
>     hidden from the ICE implementation.

Looks good to me.

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Security Dispatch (secdispatch)
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Current status: Proposed WG

Chairs:
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Assigned Area Director:
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Security Area Directors:
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Mailing list:
  TBD

Group page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/secdispatch/

Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-secdispatch/

The Security Dispatch working group is chartered to consider proposals for
new work in the SEC area an  if the work is appropriate for the IETF and
there is sufficient interest, identify, or help create, an appropriate venue
for the work. In order to help the proposed new work succeed, the working
group aims to assist the proposed new work in:

1. Providing a clear problem statement, motivation and deliverables.
2. Ensuring that there has been adequate mailing list discussion reflecting
sufficient interest, a sufficient number of individuals have expressed a
willingness to contribute, and there is WG consensus before the proposed new
work can be dispatched. 3. Looking for and identifying commonalities and
overlap amongst published or ongoing protocol work and the proposed new work.
Such commonalities may indicate the possibility of reusing existing protocols
or elements thereof published by other WGs, or expanding and/or refactoring
the scope of deliverables in an existing active WG. 4. Protecting the
architectural integrity of IETF protocols and ensuring that new work has
general applicability. 5. Ensuring that the new work considers and seeks to
improve security and privacy.

Precedence will be given to documents which have evidence of interest in the
form of active drafts and list discussion.

Options for handling new work include:
- Directing the work to an existing WG.
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not choose to follow). 
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administrative documents. 
- Deferring the decision for the new work. 
- Rejecting the new work.

The WG will attempt to come to a prompt resolution of the appropriate
disposition of each proposal during the WG meeting.

If the group decides that a particular topic needs to be addressed by a new
WG, the normal IETF chartering process will be followed, including, for
instance, IETF-wide review of the proposed charter. Proposals for large work
efforts SHOULD lead to a BOF where the topic can be discussed in front of the
entire IETF community. The SECDISPATCH WG will not do any protocol work.
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work; the only work that SECDISPATCH is not required to delegate (or defer,
or reject) is administrative work such as IANA actions. Documents progressed
as AD-sponsored would typically include those that do not have general
applicability to IETF protocols, but rather are only applicable to specific
use cases and network deployments, for which the scope must be clearly
specified.

Proposed new work may be deferred in cases where the WG does not have enough
information for the chairs to determine consensus. New work may be rejected
in cases where there is not sufficient WG interest or the proposal has been
considered and rejected in the past, unless a substantially revised proposal
is put forth, including compelling new reasons for accepting the work.

A major objective of the SECDISPATCH WG is to provide timely, clear
dispositions of new efforts. Thus, where there is consensus to take on new
work, the WG will strive to quickly find a home for it. While most new work
in the SEC area is expected to be considered in the SECDISPATCH working
group, there may be times where that is not appropriate. At the discretion of
the area directors, new efforts may follow other paths beside SECDISPATCH.
For example work may go directly to BoFs (this is appropriate in cases of
major new work which would clearly need a new WG),  may be initiated in other
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Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning (teep)
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Current status: BOF WG

Chairs:
  Nancy Cam-Winget <ncamwing@cisco.com>
  Dave Thaler <dthaler@microsoft.com>

Assigned Area Director:
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Security Area Directors:
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  Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com>

Mailing list:
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Charter: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/charter-ietf-teep/

The Trusted Execution Environment (TEE) is a secure area of a processor. The
TEE provides security features such as isolated execution and integrity of
Trusted Applications, along with provisions for maintaining the
confidentiality of their assets. In general terms, the TEE offers an
execution space that provides a higher level of security than a "rich"
operating system and more functionality than a secure element. For example,
implementations of the TEE concept have been developed by ARM, and Intel
using the TrustZone and the SGX technology, respectively.

To programmatically install, update, and delete applications in a TEE, the
Trusted Execution Environment Provisioning protocol runs between a service
within the TEE on a given device, a relay application or service access point
on the device's network stack and a server-side infrastructure that interacts
with and optionally maintains the applications. Some tasks are security
sensitive and the server side requires information about the device
characteristics in the form of attestation and the device-side may require
information about the server.

Privacy considerations have to be taken into account with authentication
features and attestation.

This working group aims to develop an application layer protocol providing
TEEs providing lifecycle management and security domain management for
trusted applications.

A security domain allows a service provider's applications to be isolated so
that one security domain cannot be influenced by another domain, unless the
domain exposes an API to allow inter-domain interactions.

The solution approach must take a wide range of TEE and relevant technologies
into account and will focus on the use of public key cryptography.

The group will produce the following deliverables. The first draft is an
architecture document describing the involved entities, their relationships,
assumptions, the keying framework and relevant use cases. Second, a solution
document that describes the above-described functionality that will be
developed. The choice of encoding format(s) will be decided in the working
group. The group may document several attestation technologies considering
the different hardware capabilities, performance, privacy, and operational
properties.

The group will maintain a close relationship with the IETF SUIT working
group, GlobalPlatform, Trusted Computing Group, and other relevant standards
to ensure interoperability, compatibility, and proper use of existing
TEE-relevant application layer interfaces.

Milestones:

  Mar 2018 - Adopt an Architecture document

  Mar 2018 - Adopt a solution document

  Aug 2018 - Progress Solution document to the IESG for publication

  Dec 2018 - Begin WGLC for Architecture document

  Jan 2019 - Progress Architecture document to the IESG for publication

  Jul 2019 - Begin WGLC for Solution document


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    <font face="Tahoma">Hi Ben,<br>
    </font><br>
    <font face="Tahoma"><font face="Tahoma">our apologies for the
        delayed response.<br>
        <br>
        Please find attached revision 10 of
        draft-ietf-teas-lsp-diversity, which has not been submitted yet.<br>
        All changes compared to revision 08 are still visible. Revision
        09 has been submitted during IETF100 with some IESG review
        comments incorporated.<br>
        <br>
        Please find our answers to your comments below.<br>
        <br>
        Could you please let us know whether your comments are
        adequately addressed.<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        Thanks,<br>
        Dieter and co-authors<br>
        <br>
        <br>
      </font></font>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29.08.2017 23:51, Benjamin Kaduk
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">Hi all,

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's 
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the 
IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the 
security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat 
these comments just like any other last call comments.

In summary, I think this document is ready with nits (largely editorial).</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    OK<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">The main point of the document is to allow for source nodes to request
path diversity in new LSPs being created, in the case where the source
node does not have full knowledge of the relevant topology.  (The case
where the source node does have such knowledge is already handled via
eXclude Route Objects and Explicit Exclusion Route Subobjects.)  My
understanding is that the main reason to request such path diversity
is to introduce redundancy and improve the system functionality in
the case of (localized) outages, but this does not really seem to
be emphasized in the Introduction -- maybe it should?</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Following sentence added to the Abstract:<br>
    <br>
    A typical LSP diversity use case is protection, where two LSPs
    should follow different paths through the network in order to avoid<br>
    single points of failure, thus greatly improving service
    availability.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">Path diversity is effected by the use of a "reference path" that already
exists between a source and destination, and requesting that the new
path is diverse with respect to that reference path.  Similarly to the
above, it may be helpful to explictly introduce the notion of a reference
path instead of introducing it implicitly, in passing.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    "reference path": see new Terms and Abbreviations section and
    Introduction<br>
    <br>
    Do you suggest that this term shall be used also in the other
    sections?<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">The security considerations largely refer to/include by reference RFCs
5920, 2205, 3209, 3473, and 4874, though not all of these are listed
as normative references.  (I'm not sure whether there is a convention
for such cases.)</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    RFCs 5920 and 2205 moved from informative to normative references.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">  Of those, RFC 3473 also refers to RFC 2747, and there
may (or may not) be value in flattening the chain of references by explicitly
mentioning RFC 2747 here as well.  To a large extent, those references
do seem to cover the relevant security considerations for this document,
as there is little that is conceptually new in this document.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    RFC2747 added as normative reference and listed in the Security
    Considerations section.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">  The final
paragraph of the security considerations calls out an exception to
the rule from RFC 4874 that XRO could/should be removed from the Path
message to avoid leaking internal information, because the diversity
subobject needs to be preserved in order to perform its function.  One could
potentially claim that even the diversity subobject is leaking some information
about the internal network in some cases, but since the "leaked" information
is essentially an opaque identifier, the usual case would generally be
that it is worth the minor leak in order to obtain path diversity, as
this document states.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    Should a sentece be added at the end of the Security Considerations
    stating this? For example:<br>
    <br>
    Passing the opaque identifiers from one domain to another may be
    considered as minor leak that is worth<br>
    to obtain diversity.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">
Whenever new identifiers are issued, the corresponding privacy considerations
should also be considered.  Given that the role of a core network is
probably (?) considered to be just transit, I am not very concerned
about path identifiers leaking information (or correlations) about what
physical path a given set of data traverses.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    The core network is indeed just transit.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">
I suppose one could consider potential security/privacy issues inherent
in path diversity as well, which seems mostly limited to the case where
only a subset of nodes/links are compromised in some fashion (monitored
or subject to traffic injection).  In that case, someone knowing that
a reference path is not subject to attack could try to create a new
(diverse) path in an attempt to have the new path traverse the compromised
equipment.  But that seems quite far-fetched as an attack, especially
in the context of the RFC 5920 model where the core is considered to
be equally/globally trusted.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Agreed<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">
I'm also possibly confused at the requirements introduced in section 2.3
(page 19) for the node performing path computation to take action when
a previously unknown (excluded) path becomes known, or when LSPs (?)
change so that a requested exclusion is no longer satisfied.  This seems
to require that the PCE store all XRO subobjects along with the path
state, so as to be able to do this processing upon (all!) LSP changes.
Is the extra storage and/or computation likely to be a significant burden
on the PCE that might lead to resource-exhaustion and denial of service?</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    No,  it is well known that a PCE is powerful entity and should be
    capable of handling highly complex scenarios.<br>
    Please see RFC5520 for more information.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">
There is also some minor risk in section 1.3 (page 8) where PAS assignment
and distribution is left as out of scope for this document -- certain
assignment schemes could leak information or allow outside parties to guess
"new" values that would be treated as valid by the core network.  But it's
hard to see this leading to a concrete attack, especially when the PAS
number space is only 32 bits wide.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Agreed - no changes made to the document.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">

I'll mention a few of the more significant editorial issues here, and
defer the really nitty-gritty stuff to a later message with narrower
scope, in the interest of expediency (as this document is scheduled
for this week's telechat).

It may be worth double-checking that acronyms not listed as "well-known"
at <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt">https://www.rfc-editor.org/materials/abbrev.expansion.txt</a> are expanded
at first use; UNI-N and RRO are a couple that I noticed while reviewing.

In the abstract:

   [...] Three different
   mechanisms are supported how LSP diversity can be accomplished in
   the provider or core network: the signaled diversity type, indicates
   whether diversity is based on client, path computation engine (PCE),
   or network assigned identifiers.

am I correct to infer that "indicates whether diversity is based on client"
is supposed to clarify what "signaled diversity type" means, so that
the rest of the sentence is a three-element list corresponding to the
three diversity identifiers introduced by this document?  If so, it's
probably better to put it inside parentheses than offset by commas,
or even to reword it entirely to just be something like "a client-initiated
method".</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    The abstract has been significantly revised - see attachment.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">The next sentence could also be made smoother, something about assuming
that LSPs are created at a slow rate and exist for a long time, so that it
is reasonable to assume that a given (reference) path currently existing,
with a well-known identifier, will continue to exist and can be used
as a reference when creating the new path.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    The abstract was modified along the lines of the proposed text.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">At the top of page 4, "exemplified" should probably be something like
"illustrated" (this particular diagram is not really the epitome of
path exclusion).

In page 4, a "single-homed UNI" is referred to.  My understanding was that
the UNI was akin to an edge in the topology graph, and that "single-homed"
would more commonly apply to an EN (but maybe my understanding is incorrect).</pre>
    </blockquote>
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    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">Page 5, first complete paragraph, does "across the UNI boundary" just
mean in the CN to EN direction?</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    No, there are restrictions in both directions. Client network
    topology information is typically not shared withe the core network<br>
    (there can be more client network nodes beyond the ENs) <br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">At the end of section 1 (just before section 1.1), the listing
"client-initiated, allocated by the (core) network or managed by a PCE"
should probably have the last two swapped, to match the ordering used
in the rest of the document.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Sentence changed as proposed.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">At the bottom of page 5 (last line), should "LSP IS = L1" be
"LSP ID = L2" (S--&gt;D and 1--&gt;2)?  Also, the previous line has
"LSP-IDENTIFIER12" which probably is meant to just be the '2'.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    This paragraph was corrected - we got the same comments from other
    reviewers.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">
Page 8, third paragraph, "included for exclusion" is a little awkward
of a phrasing; "[i]f a PAS identifier is used as an exclusion identifier"
might be better.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Sentence changed as proposed.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:20170829215133.GP96685@kduck.kaduk.org">
      <pre wrap="">
Page 11 just lists the three diversity identifier types created by
this document; should there be consideration of (text for) how to
allocate additional types in the future?</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    No - all conceivable use cases based on existing IETF work are
    covered.<br>
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite"
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The string "IPv4/ IPv6" appears many times in the text; I believe it's
more conventionally written without the space, as "IPv4/IPv6".</pre>
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Crossing from page 16 to page 16, "sends [...] request from ingress node to
egress node including diversity constraints to a PCE" is potentially
confusing about what is being sent where, since it's the request for
a path [from ingress node to egress node] that is sent to the PCE.  So,
"path computation request for a path from ingress node to egress node"
might be better, or even reordering things more drastically.</pre>
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The last two sentences of the Security Considerations are a little hard
to read; I might reword them, potentially as:

However, when the diversity subobjects specified in this document are used,
removing at the administrative boundary an XRO containing these diversity
subobjects would result in the request for diversity being dropped at
the boundary, and path computation would be unlikely to produce the requested
divers path.  As such, diversity subobjects MUST be retained in an XRO
crossing an administrative boundary, even if other subobjects are removed.</pre>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    Replaced the two sentences with the proposed text.<br>
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-Ben
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Daniel,

Thanks for your review.

Please see my responses in lines.


> =E5=9C=A8 2018=E5=B9=B42=E6=9C=8820=E6=97=A5=EF=BC=8C23:00=EF=BC=8CDanie=
l Migault <daniel.migault@ericsson.com> =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A
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> Reviewer: Daniel Migault
> Review result: Has Nits
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> Hi,=20
>=20
> I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's=20
> ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the=20
> IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the=20
> security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat=20=

> these comments just like any other last call comments.
>=20
> The summary of the review is Ready with nits:
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> =E2=80=A2	section 1: Introduction
>=20
>   However, an RPKI relying party may want to override some of the
>   information expressed via putative TAs and the certificates
>=20
> <mglt>It seems that TA is being used for the first time here. The =
acronym
> should be extended to ease the reading of the document. I am reading =
it=20
> as Trust Anchor.</mglt>
>=20

Yes. We will use Trust Anchor for its first use.=20

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> =E2=80=A2	section 2.  RPKI RPs with SLURM
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>   SLURM provides a simple way to enable RPs to establish a local,
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> <mglt>It seems to me the acronym RP is used for the first time. It =
seems that=20
> it should be expanded to ease the reading of the document. I am =
reading it=20
> as Relaying Party.</mglt>

Yes. We will use Relaying Party for its first use.=20

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> =E2=80=A2	section 6 Security considerations
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> <mglt>I My reading is that the section catches the criticality of the =
SLURM=20
> files and that network operators are already familiar provisioning =
critical=20
> data. As such I believe the section is sufficiently clear.</mglt>
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> =E2=80=A2	whole document:
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> <mglt>It seems that BGPSec, and BGPsec are used together. I believe =
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We will use BGPsec throughout this document as used by RFC 8205.=20

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Reviewer: Sean Turner
Review result: Has Nits

This is a bis draft of the HIP (Host Identity Protocol) Architecture and
because of that I focused on what’s changed (i.e., I reviewed the diffs from
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=rfc4423&url2=draft-ietf-hip-rfc4423-bis-18). 
It’s still HIP but with a slightly expanded scope; it’s still Informational.

1. s4: The one place where I’ll step out from not looking at the old is a
similar-ish recommendation that was in the RF4423:

   In this document, the non-cryptographic forms of HI and HIP are
   presented to complete the theory of HI, but they should not be
   implemented as they could produce worse denial-of-service attacks
   than the Internet has without Host Identity.

Should the should not be a SHOULD NOT?

2. (none security) s4.4: Is the paragraph about IPv4 vs IPv6 vs LSI really
necessary?  I.e., is this yet another thing that folks are going to use to not
transition to IPv6?

3. s11.2: Isn’t an additional drawback the need to have a HIP-aware firewall?


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Hi Bruno,

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 10:57:34AM +0000, bruno.decraene@orange.com wrote:
> Hi Benjamin,
> 
> Thanks to you.
> 
> Just to let you know that -08 has been uploaded.
> 
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-08
> 
> Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-rtgwg-backoff-algo-08

The updates look good to me -- thanks.

-Benjamin


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Thanks Hannes,

On Tue, Feb 27, 2018 at 9:27 PM, Hannes Tschofenig
<Hannes.Tschofenig@arm.com> wrote:
> For example, imagine a certificate message that may contain multiple cert=
ificates that then need to be processed one by one by the recipient. Here t=
he stack needs to be "smart" enough to send enough data that the recipient =
can actually do something with it (like one complete certificate) but also =
not too much so that it still fits into the buffer. For application data it=
 may be less complicated since the application developer who had set the RS=
L limit is most likely aware of what to do when the stack cannot send all t=
he data.

Yeah, if you are so constrained that a single datagram is all the
scratch space you have, then big certificates can be nigh on
impossible to manage.  My understanding is that raw public keys are
more common in this context.

> FWIW: The draft currently says that "unprotected messages - handshake mes=
sages in particular - are not subject to this limit.". I am not sure whethe=
r I fully understand that sentence. Does it mean that the limit does not ap=
ply to handshake messages at all or only to handshake messages that are unp=
rotected? In either case I am not sure whether that scoping makes sense sin=
ce handshake messages can become fairly large.

This was written with two things in mind.  TCP makes it easy to apply
back pressure and thereby enable progressive reads for larger
cleartext messages, assuming that you can read it all without holding
everything in memory at once.  More critically, a ClientHello will be
sent in ignorance of any preferences on a server, so a server has to
cope somehow.

If you remain concerned about constrained *clients*, maybe we can
change the requirement and have it apply immediately for the server's
handshake messages.  In TLS 1.2, it would then also apply to the
client Certificate, which I suppose is something.  It's definitely
possible to make this change. (Now that I think on it, my
implementation may already do this.  I should check.)


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Reviewer: Joseph Salowey
Review result: Ready

I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing
effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments
were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document
editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call
comments.

In general I felt that the document was a bit difficult to read and the issues
raised in the Genart and RTG reviews should be addressed.

>From a security point of view I believe the document is ready, but I have a
comment below that might improve the document.

I find the security considerations as reference to other documents a bit
unsettling, however, based on my somewhat limited understanding of RSVP it
think it is accurate in this case.  The problem I have with the security
considerations as reference is that most implementors are probably are not
going to follow the links to the other documents to find out what security
wisdom lies therein.   If the document pointed to specific considerations in
other documents that were particularly relevant to this document that would be
an improvement.  I couldn't work my way back through the chain of references to
something specific, but someone with a bit more RSVP domain knowledge may be
able to make some specific recommendations.



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Hi Sean,

On 02/27/2018 05:06 PM, Sean Turner wrote:
> Reviewer: Sean Turner
> Review result: Has Nits
>=20
> This is a bis draft of the HIP (Host Identity Protocol) Architecture an=
d
> because of that I focused on what=E2=80=99s changed (i.e., I reviewed t=
he diffs from
> https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Drfc4423&url2=3Ddraft-ietf-hip-rfc44=
23-bis-18).
> It=E2=80=99s still HIP but with a slightly expanded scope; it=E2=80=99s=
 still Informational.
>=20
> 1. s4: The one place where I=E2=80=99ll step out from not looking at th=
e old is a
> similar-ish recommendation that was in the RF4423:
>=20
>     In this document, the non-cryptographic forms of HI and HIP are
>     presented to complete the theory of HI, but they should not be
>     implemented as they could produce worse denial-of-service attacks
>     than the Internet has without Host Identity.
>=20
> Should the should not be a SHOULD NOT?

I can change this for sure but the whole document is written without the =

capitalized terms due to its informal nature... actually, this sentence=20
is a bit moot since non-cryptographic forms of HI are only referenced in =

the text. I would suggest rephrasing this as follows:

"In this document, some non-cryptographic forms of HI and HIP are
referenced, but cryptographic forms should be preferred because they are =

more secure than their non-cryptographic counterparts."

Would that work for you?

> 2. (none security) s4.4: Is the paragraph about IPv4 vs IPv6 vs LSI rea=
lly
> necessary?  I.e., is this yet another thing that folks are going to use=
 to not
> transition to IPv6?

I think the draft should discuss IPv4 compatibility because it is part=20
of architecture design.

Btw, do you mean this paragraph or something else?

    The interoperability mechanism
    should not be used to avoid transition to IPv6; the authors firmly
    believe in IPv6 adoption and encourage developers to port existing
    IPv4-only applications to use IPv6.  However, some proprietary,
    closed-source, IPv4-only applications may never see the daylight of
    IPv6, and the LSI mechanism is suitable for extending the lifetime of=

    such applications even in IPv6-only networks.

IMHO, the LSIs should be supported mainly for the sake of proprietary,=20
legacy applications which should be supported for backwards=20
compatibility. The next paragraph also mentions a limitation of the LSIs:=


The main disadvantage of an LSI is its local scope.  Applications may
    violate layering principles and pass LSIs to each other in
    application-layer protocols.

Let me know if you would like change or emphasize something?

> 3. s11.2: Isn=E2=80=99t an additional drawback the need to have a HIP-a=
ware firewall?

Good point. It's both a benefit and drawback from the viewpoint of=20
firewalls. s11.1 mentions:

       [...] First, the use of
       HITs can potentially halve the size of access control lists
       because separate rules for IPv4 are not needed [komu-diss].
       Second, HIT-based configuration rules in HIP-aware middleboxes
       remain static and independent of topology changes, thus
       simplifying administrative efforts particularly for mobile
       environments.

As a drawback, I could add something like this to s11.2:

In the current Internet, firewalls are commonly used to control access=20
to various services and devices. Since HIP introduces a new namespace,=20
it is expected that also the HIP namespace would be filtered for=20
unwanted connectivity. While this can be achieved with existing tools=20
directly in the end-hosts, filtering at the middleboxes requires=20
modifications to existing firewall software or new middleboxes [RFC6538].=


How does this sound?


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On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Susan Hares wrote:

> The current I2RS  RIB Data model is a yang model which can be access via
> netconf and restconf with the restrictions in the network management
> datastore architecture.   Are you looking for us to specify the
> netconf/restconf suite protocols, and the CBOR for binary in this section.
>
> If you are looking for more than that, are you looking for what is in
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-security-environment-reqs/

Thanks for the clarification. It was indeed a misunderstanding on my
part.

It seems I cannot update my review status from the tracker tool to
"ready" though. Does anyone know how to update a review result?

Paul


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On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 03:55:37PM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote:
> On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Susan Hares wrote:
> 
> > The current I2RS  RIB Data model is a yang model which can be access via
> > netconf and restconf with the restrictions in the network management
> > datastore architecture.   Are you looking for us to specify the
> > netconf/restconf suite protocols, and the CBOR for binary in this section.
> >
> > If you are looking for more than that, are you looking for what is in
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-security-environment-reqs/
> 
> Thanks for the clarification. It was indeed a misunderstanding on my
> part.
> 
> It seems I cannot update my review status from the tracker tool to
> "ready" though. Does anyone know how to update a review result?

If you go to the datatracker page for the review request, there is a
"correct review" button that seems to allow edits.
At least, there is for me.

-Ben


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On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 04:41:14PM -0600, Benjamin Kaduk wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 03:55:37PM -0500, Paul Wouters wrote:
> > On Sun, 25 Feb 2018, Susan Hares wrote:
> > 
> > > The current I2RS  RIB Data model is a yang model which can be access via
> > > netconf and restconf with the restrictions in the network management
> > > datastore architecture.   Are you looking for us to specify the
> > > netconf/restconf suite protocols, and the CBOR for binary in this section.
> > >
> > > If you are looking for more than that, are you looking for what is in
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-i2rs-security-environment-reqs/
> > 
> > Thanks for the clarification. It was indeed a misunderstanding on my
> > part.
> > 
> > It seems I cannot update my review status from the tracker tool to
> > "ready" though. Does anyone know how to update a review result?
> 
> If you go to the datatracker page for the review request, there is a
> "correct review" button that seems to allow edits.
> At least, there is for me.

And to follow up, to get to the review *request* page (as opposed to
the page for the review itself, which is linked from the document
page), you can go to "my reviews" in the left sidebar.

-Ben


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