From housley@vigilsec.com Fri Jan 6 08:05:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D162B21F8826 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:05:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 586Fkp9wiDCp for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1651E21F87DD for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:05:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 099AD9A4827 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:06:21 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xWO1sMjC+krW for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.43.193] (unknown [198.232.60.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 978EA9A481D for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:06:20 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:05:47 -0500 Message-Id: <8EDD3669-F29B-447D-9F31-87CFB67FFEE2@vigilsec.com> To: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [smartobjectdir] Welcome to Bruce Nordman X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:06:00 -0000 I have just added Bruce Nordman to the directorate = membership. Bruce is an "energy guy," and he is the EMAN WG co-chair. = I look forward to his contributions to the directorate. Here is the current membership of the directorate... Loosely representing an IETF Area: John Drake -- Routing Sam Hartman -- Security Joe Touch -- Transport Mehmet Ersue -- Management Zack Shelby -- Internet Ted Hardie -- Applications Richard Shockey -- RAI Geoff Mulligan -- General Pierre Lin -- OPS Liaisons with an interest: Fred Baker -- Liaison to SGIP JP Vasseur -- Liaison to ZigBee Providing broader perspective: Ed Juskevicius -- Canadian perspective Tim Polk -- NIST efforts in USA Zack Shelby -- CENELEC/ETSI efforts in Europe Vint Cerf -- SGIP Governing Board Fred Baker -- SGIP Architecture Committee Bruce Nordman -- EMAN and energy perspective Area Directors with an interest: Russ Housley -- General Area Dan Romascanu -- O&M Area Ralph Droms -- Internet Area Jari Arkko -- Internet Area Wes Eddy -- Transport Area Peter Saint-Andre -- Applications Area Thanks, Russ= From chair@ietf.org Wed Jan 18 07:56:33 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4B5221F84F6 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:56:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id donA2OQbuOdK for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3021221F84F1 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:56:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54C5112C8BE for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:56:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id haBbWBYMudvL for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:56:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (pool-96-241-165-215.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.241.165.215]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 965C312C870 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 07:56:31 -0800 (PST) From: IETF Chair Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-15-702640072 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 10:56:30 -0500 References: <20F09414D2C12F49A460A931E4907FB790B24DABE0@EXMAIL2.enernex.com> To: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 15:56:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail-15-702640072 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Do we care? Begin forwarded message: > From: Janet Roark > Date: January 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST > To: "fred@cisco.com" > Cc: "chair@ietf.org" > Subject: SGIP Voting Rights >=20 > Our records show your organization had no attendees at the last = Plenary meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday=92s = Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. = Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime = between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your = organization. > =20 > Link to Register: > https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/444978162 > =20 > Best Regards, > SGIP Administrator Team > sgipgb.administrator@enernex.com > =20 >=20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail-15-702640072 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary=Apple-Mail-16-702640072 --Apple-Mail-16-702640072 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Do we = care?

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From: Janet Roark <janet@enernex.com>
Date: January 18, 2012 = 10:36:54 AM EST
Cc: "chair@ietf.org" <chair@ietf.org>
Subject: SGIP Voting = Rights

Our records show your = organization had no attendees at the last Plenary meeting. Therefore, it = is important someone attend Friday=92s Plenary meeting for your = organization to maintain its Voting Rights. Even if you cannot log on = exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, = attendance will be captured for your = organization.
Link to = Register:
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mtv-core-3.cisco.com ([171.68.58.8]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2012 16:06:58 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com [10.32.244.220]) by mtv-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0IG6EYt016550; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:06:57 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:06:57 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com on Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:06:57 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:06:57 -0800 Message-Id: References: <20F09414D2C12F49A460A931E4907FB790B24DABE0@EXMAIL2.enernex.com> To: IETF Chair X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-703266357 Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:06:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail-10-703266357 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 That's another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the = meeting. I frankly think our involvement is more important to them than = it is to us. On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote: > Do we care? >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 >> From: Janet Roark >> Date: January 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST >> To: "fred@cisco.com" >> Cc: "chair@ietf.org" >> Subject: SGIP Voting Rights >>=20 >> Our records show your organization had no attendees at the last = Plenary meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday=92s = Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. = Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime = between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your = organization. >> =20 >> Link to Register: >> https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/444978162 >> =20 >> Best Regards, >> SGIP Administrator Team >> sgipgb.administrator@enernex.com >> =20 >> >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > smartobjectdir mailing list > smartobjectdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir --Apple-Mail-10-703266357 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Do we = care?

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Subject: SGIP Voting = Rights

Our records show your = organization had no attendees at the last Plenary meeting. Therefore, it = is important someone attend Friday=92s Plenary meeting for your = organization to maintain its Voting Rights. Even if you cannot log on = exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, = attendance will be captured for your = organization.
Link to = Register:
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= --Apple-Mail-10-703266357-- From richard@shockey.us Wed Jan 18 08:42:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F9721F87CC for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:42:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.494 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.494 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VFrDxIcFMMvh for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from oproxy7-pub.bluehost.com (oproxy7.bluehost.com [IPv6:2605:dc00:100:2::a7]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C154E21F875D for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:42:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16835 invoked by uid 0); 18 Jan 2012 16:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box462.bluehost.com) (74.220.219.62) by oproxy7.bluehost.com with SMTP; 18 Jan 2012 16:42:55 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=shockey.us; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Cc:To:From; bh=trAjWPVivGJNUMkinqpnbeQ0rKr/96USZqi/Br+9fnI=; b=j/EK/O/rFuSkXanhOWzy09H/z7D58dlcqJ5a62Cd2ydAOu8mjkVif90Yy1nflO6+PRi+kEo/304176XJBZSmDdMQro8TQz1dkniNtOkUzvzKjHl9WqQYaW2GKr9jM+/F; Received: from pool-173-66-41-162.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([173.66.41.162] helo=RSHOCKEYPC) by box462.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RnYb8-0007pD-IC; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:42:55 -0700 From: "Richard Shockey" To: "'Fred Baker'" , "'IETF Chair'" References: <20F09414D2C12F49A460A931E4907FB790B24DABE0@EXMAIL2.enernex.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 11:42:53 -0500 Message-ID: <002701ccd600$39e38d60$adaaa820$@us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01CCD5D6.510D8560" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AczV+zbPJm6cSGGQSNKc505BqmiEIgABOVjg Content-Language: en-us X-Identified-User: {3286:box462.bluehost.com:shockeyu:shockey.us} {sentby:smtp auth 173.66.41.162 authed with richard@shockey.us} Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:42:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CCD5D6.510D8560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit +1 to that sentiment. I gave up on SGIP a long time ago. From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:07 AM To: IETF Chair Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights That's another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the meeting. I frankly think our involvement is more important to them than it is to us. On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote: Do we care? Begin forwarded message: From: Janet Roark Date: January 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST To: "fred@cisco.com" Cc: "chair@ietf.org" Subject: SGIP Voting Rights Our records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday's Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your organization. Link to Register: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/444978162 Best Regards, SGIP Administrator Team sgipgb.administrator@enernex.com _______________________________________________ smartobjectdir mailing list smartobjectdir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CCD5D6.510D8560 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

+1 to that sentiment.   I gave up on SGIP a long time ago. =

 

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Fred Baker
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, = 2012 11:07 AM
To: IETF Chair
Cc: = smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

That's = another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the meeting. I = frankly think our involvement is more important to them than it is to = us.

 

 

On = Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote:



Do we = care?

 

Begin = forwarded message:



From: = Janet = Roark <janet@enernex.com>

Date: = January = 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST

Subject: = SGIP Voting Rights



Our = records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary = meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday’s = Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. = Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime = between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your = organization.=

 =

Link to = Register:=

 =

Best = Regards,=

SGIP = Administrator Team=

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------=_NextPart_000_0028_01CCD5D6.510D8560-- From mehmet.ersue@nsn.com Wed Jan 18 08:45:02 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D894921F87F9; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:45:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.001, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fujqds2gDS3W; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:45:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E78D221F87EE; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:45:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q0IGiviO002542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:44:57 +0100 Received: from DEMUEXC047.nsn-intra.net ([10.159.32.93]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q0IGiuiq015070; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:44:57 +0100 Received: from DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.18]) by DEMUEXC047.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:44:38 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CCD600.772CA743" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:44:37 +0100 Message-ID: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E86@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> In-Reply-To: <002701ccd600$39e38d60$adaaa820$@us> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights Thread-Index: AczV+zbPJm6cSGGQSNKc505BqmiEIgABOVjgAAAPpxA= References: <20F09414D2C12F49A460A931E4907FB790B24DABE0@EXMAIL2.enernex.com> <002701ccd600$39e38d60$adaaa820$@us> From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Richard Shockey" , "Fred Baker" , "IETF Chair" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2012 16:44:38.0344 (UTC) FILETIME=[77B29C80:01CCD600] Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:45:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD600.772CA743 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does IETF vote at all? =20 Mehmet=20 =20 From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Richard Shockey Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:43 PM To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF Chair' Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 +1 to that sentiment. I gave up on SGIP a long time ago.=20 =20 From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:07 AM To: IETF Chair Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 That's another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the meeting. I frankly think our involvement is more important to them than it is to us. =20 =20 On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote: =20 Do we care? =20 Begin forwarded message: =20 From: Janet Roark Date: January 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST To: "fred@cisco.com" Cc: "chair@ietf.org" Subject: SGIP Voting Rights =20 Our records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday's Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your organization. =20 Link to Register: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/444978162 =20 Best Regards, SGIP Administrator Team sgipgb.administrator@enernex.com =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ smartobjectdir mailing list smartobjectdir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD600.772CA743 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Does IETF vote at all?

=  

= Mehmet=

=  

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of ext Richard Shockey
Sent: Wednesday, = January 18, 2012 5:43 PM
To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF = Chair'
Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting = Rights

 

+1 to that sentiment.   I gave up on SGIP a long time ago. =

 

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Fred Baker
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, = 2012 11:07 AM
To: IETF Chair
Cc: = smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

That's = another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the meeting. I = frankly think our involvement is more important to them than it is to = us.

 

 

On = Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote:

 

Do we care?

 

Begin = forwarded message:

 

From: = Janet = Roark <janet@enernex.com>

Date: = January = 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST

Subject: = SGIP Voting Rights

&nbs= p;

Our = records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary = meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday’s = Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. = Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime = between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your = organization.=

 =

Link to = Register:=

 =

Best = Regards,=

SGIP = Administrator Team=

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD600.772CA743-- From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Jan 18 08:46:47 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D2E821F8577; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:46:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.827 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.827 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.229, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rkkLBah+0eWj; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:46:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ACC821F8573; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:46:44 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFAEP1Fk/GmAcF/2dsb2JhbABEgk2peIECgQWBcgEBAQEDAQEBDwoRAz4LEAIBCA0EAwEBAQsGDAsBBgEmHwkIAQEEARIIGodgnRqPFYxPBIltAQVWCAIHAQECAQEIAQEBAygOHAk3BQE9AQQEAQIOIBYLCAUFFgsDChU5HhYBAQECgkdjBJE4iVKMUA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,529,1320642000"; d="scan'208,217";a="227412397" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2012 11:46:43 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2012 11:41:56 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CCD600.C129B76D" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:46:40 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E86@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights Thread-Index: AczV+zbPJm6cSGGQSNKc505BqmiEIgABOVjgAAAPpxAAABC6UA== References: <20F09414D2C12F49A460A931E4907FB790B24DABE0@EXMAIL2.enernex.com> <002701ccd600$39e38d60$adaaa820$@us> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E86@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" , "ext Richard Shockey" , "Fred Baker" , "IETF Chair" Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:46:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD600.C129B76D Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If I understand correctly it's about us (the IETF) having through our representatives voting rights in the SGIP, not about voting in the IETF =20 Dan =20 =20 From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:45 PM To: ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; IETF Chair Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 Does IETF vote at all? =20 Mehmet=20 =20 From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Richard Shockey Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:43 PM To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF Chair' Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 +1 to that sentiment. I gave up on SGIP a long time ago.=20 =20 From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:07 AM To: IETF Chair Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 That's another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the meeting. I frankly think our involvement is more important to them than it is to us. =20 =20 On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote: =20 Do we care? =20 Begin forwarded message: =20 From: Janet Roark Date: January 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST To: "fred@cisco.com" Cc: "chair@ietf.org" Subject: SGIP Voting Rights =20 Our records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday's Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your organization. =20 Link to Register: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/444978162 =20 Best Regards, SGIP Administrator Team sgipgb.administrator@enernex.com =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ smartobjectdir mailing list smartobjectdir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD600.C129B76D Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If I understand correctly it’s about us (the IETF) having = through  our representatives voting rights in the SGIP, not about = voting in the IETF

 

Dan

 

 

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)
Sent: = Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:45 PM
To: ext Richard Shockey; = Fred Baker; IETF Chair
Cc: = smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

= Does IETF vote at all?

=  

= Mehmet=

=  

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of ext Richard Shockey
Sent: Wednesday, = January 18, 2012 5:43 PM
To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF = Chair'
Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting = Rights

 

+1 to that sentiment.   I gave up on SGIP a long time ago. =

 

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Fred Baker
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, = 2012 11:07 AM
To: IETF Chair
Cc: = smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

That's = another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the meeting. I = frankly think our involvement is more important to them than it is to = us.

 

 

On = Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote:

 

Do we care?

 

Begin = forwarded message:

 

From: = Janet = Roark <janet@enernex.com>

Date: = January = 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST

Subject: = SGIP Voting Rights

&nbs= p;

Our = records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary = meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday’s = Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. = Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime = between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your = organization.=

 =

Link to = Register:=

 =

Best = Regards,=

SGIP = Administrator Team=

 =

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 =

 =

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD600.C129B76D-- From mehmet.ersue@nsn.com Wed Jan 18 08:55:07 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 822B021F86EF; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:55:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yTSfXxNUh34E; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:55:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (demumfd002.nsn-inter.net [93.183.12.31]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C01A121F85AC; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:55:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.129.55]) by demumfd002.nsn-inter.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q0IGt0Jo020122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:55:00 +0100 Received: from demuexc022.nsn-intra.net (demuexc022.nsn-intra.net [10.150.128.35]) by demuprx016.emea.nsn-intra.net (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id q0IGt0Em020444; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:55:00 +0100 Received: from DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net ([10.150.128.18]) by demuexc022.nsn-intra.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:54:30 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CCD601.D8010699" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:54:29 +0100 Message-ID: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E91@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights Thread-Index: AczV+zbPJm6cSGGQSNKc505BqmiEIgABOVjgAAAPpxAAABC6UAAAIAJA References: <20F09414D2C12F49A460A931E4907FB790B24DABE0@EXMAIL2.enernex.com> <002701ccd600$39e38d60$adaaa820$@us> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E86@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> From: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" To: "ext Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "ext Richard Shockey" , "Fred Baker" , "IETF Chair" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jan 2012 16:54:30.0135 (UTC) FILETIME=[D86EC070:01CCD601] Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:55:07 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD601.D8010699 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, I meant also whether IETF votes at SGIP as an organization. As Fred says, the current involvement seems to be more important to them than us. =20 Mehmet=20 =20 From: ext Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:47 PM To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich); ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; IETF Chair Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: RE: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 If I understand correctly it's about us (the IETF) having through our representatives voting rights in the SGIP, not about voting in the IETF =20 Dan =20 =20 From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:45 PM To: ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; IETF Chair Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 Does IETF vote at all? =20 Mehmet=20 =20 From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Richard Shockey Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:43 PM To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF Chair' Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 +1 to that sentiment. I gave up on SGIP a long time ago.=20 =20 From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:07 AM To: IETF Chair Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 That's another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the meeting. I frankly think our involvement is more important to them than it is to us. =20 =20 On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote: =20 Do we care? =20 Begin forwarded message: =20 From: Janet Roark Date: January 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST To: "fred@cisco.com" Cc: "chair@ietf.org" Subject: SGIP Voting Rights =20 Our records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday's Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your organization. =20 Link to Register: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/444978162 =20 Best Regards, SGIP Administrator Team sgipgb.administrator@enernex.com =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ smartobjectdir mailing list smartobjectdir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD601.D8010699 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Yes, I meant also whether IETF votes at SGIP as an = organization.

= As Fred says, the current involvement seems to be more important to them = than us.

=  

= Mehmet=

=  

From:= = ext Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:47 PM
To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - = DE/Munich); ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; IETF Chair
Cc: = smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

If I understand correctly it’s about us (the IETF) having = through  our representatives voting rights in the SGIP, not about = voting in the IETF

 

Dan

 

 

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)
Sent: = Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:45 PM
To: ext Richard Shockey; = Fred Baker; IETF Chair
Cc: = smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

= Does IETF vote at all?

=  

= Mehmet=

=  

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of ext Richard Shockey
Sent: Wednesday, = January 18, 2012 5:43 PM
To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF = Chair'
Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting = Rights

 

+1 to that sentiment.   I gave up on SGIP a long time ago. =

 

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Fred Baker
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, = 2012 11:07 AM
To: IETF Chair
Cc: = smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

That's = another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the meeting. I = frankly think our involvement is more important to them than it is to = us.

 

 

On = Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote:

 

Do we care?

 

Begin = forwarded message:

 

From: = Janet = Roark <janet@enernex.com>

Date: = January = 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST

Subject: = SGIP Voting Rights

&nbs= p;

Our = records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary = meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday’s = Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. = Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime = between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your = organization.=

 =

Link to = Register:=

 =

Best = Regards,=

SGIP = Administrator Team=

 =

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD601.D8010699-- From dromasca@avaya.com Wed Jan 18 08:59:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC8021F87F4; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:59:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.824 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.824 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.226, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fC0T6T9DdNlI; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:59:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com (p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com [135.11.29.13]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA03021F87E0; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 08:59:00 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgIFAO35Fk/GmAcF/2dsb2JhbABEgk2peIECgQWBcgEBAQEDAQEBDwoRAz4LEAIBCA0EAwEBAQsGDAQHAQYBJh8JCAEBBAESCBqHYJ0tjxWMSwSJbQEFVggCBwEBAgEBCAEBASsOHAk3BQE9AQQEAQIOIBYLCAUFFgsDChU5HhYBAQECgkdjBJE4iVKMUA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,529,1320642000"; d="scan'208,217";a="227415504" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by p-us1-iereast-outbound.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2012 11:58:59 -0500 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2012 11:54:12 -0500 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CCD602.77E46E87" Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:58:56 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E91@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights Thread-Index: AczV+zbPJm6cSGGQSNKc505BqmiEIgABOVjgAAAPpxAAABC6UAAAIAJAAAA9MyA= References: <20F09414D2C12F49A460A931E4907FB790B24DABE0@EXMAIL2.enernex.com> <002701ccd600$39e38d60$adaaa820$@us> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E86@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E91@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" , "ext Richard Shockey" , "Fred Baker" , "IETF Chair" Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 16:59:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD602.77E46E87 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fred can correct me, but the interest is not that much for us to vote there but to continue to be on the flow of information (also about what other SDOs do or plan) and contribute with IETF specific inputs. I do not know if it is possible to remain in that loop if we lose the voting rights membership.=20 =20 Dan =20 =20 =20 From: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) [mailto:mehmet.ersue@nsn.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:54 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; IETF Chair Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: RE: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 Yes, I meant also whether IETF votes at SGIP as an organization. As Fred says, the current involvement seems to be more important to them than us. =20 Mehmet=20 =20 From: ext Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:47 PM To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich); ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; IETF Chair Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: RE: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 If I understand correctly it's about us (the IETF) having through our representatives voting rights in the SGIP, not about voting in the IETF =20 Dan =20 =20 From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:45 PM To: ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; IETF Chair Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 Does IETF vote at all? =20 Mehmet=20 =20 From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Richard Shockey Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:43 PM To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF Chair' Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 +1 to that sentiment. I gave up on SGIP a long time ago.=20 =20 From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:07 AM To: IETF Chair Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights =20 That's another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the meeting. I frankly think our involvement is more important to them than it is to us. =20 =20 On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote: =20 Do we care? =20 Begin forwarded message: =20 From: Janet Roark Date: January 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST To: "fred@cisco.com" Cc: "chair@ietf.org" Subject: SGIP Voting Rights =20 Our records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday's Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your organization. =20 Link to Register: https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/444978162 =20 Best Regards, SGIP Administrator Team sgipgb.administrator@enernex.com =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 _______________________________________________ smartobjectdir mailing list smartobjectdir@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD602.77E46E87 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fred can correct me, but the interest is not that much for us to vote = there but to continue to be on the flow of information (also about what = other SDOs do or plan) and contribute with IETF specific inputs. I do = not know if it is possible to remain in that loop if we lose the voting = rights membership.

 

Dan

 

 

 

From:= = Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) [mailto:mehmet.ersue@nsn.com] =
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:54 PM
To: = Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; IETF = Chair
Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: RE: = [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting = Rights

 

= Yes, I meant also whether IETF votes at SGIP as an = organization.

= As Fred says, the current involvement seems to be more important to them = than us.

=  

= Mehmet=

=  

From:= = ext Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
Sent: = Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:47 PM
To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - = DE/Munich); ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; IETF Chair
Cc: = smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

If I understand correctly it’s about us (the IETF) having = through  our representatives voting rights in the SGIP, not about = voting in the IETF

 

Dan

 

 

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)
Sent: = Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:45 PM
To: ext Richard Shockey; = Fred Baker; IETF Chair
Cc: = smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

= Does IETF vote at all?

=  

= Mehmet=

=  

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of ext Richard Shockey
Sent: Wednesday, = January 18, 2012 5:43 PM
To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF = Chair'
Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: = [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting = Rights

 

+1 to that sentiment.   I gave up on SGIP a long time ago. =

 

From:= = smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Fred Baker
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, = 2012 11:07 AM
To: IETF Chair
Cc: = smartobjectdir@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

That's = another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the meeting. I = frankly think our involvement is more important to them than it is to = us.

 

 

On = Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote:

 

Do we care?

 

Begin = forwarded message:

 

From: = Janet = Roark <janet@enernex.com>

Date: = January = 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST

Subject: = SGIP Voting Rights

&nbs= p;

Our = records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary = meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday’s = Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. = Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime = between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your = organization.=

 =

Link to = Register:=

 =

Best = Regards,=

SGIP = Administrator Team=

 =

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 =

 =

 =

 =

 =

 

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------_=_NextPart_001_01CCD602.77E46E87-- From fred@cisco.com Wed Jan 18 09:11:01 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17A1521F86D0; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:11:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.38 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.38 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.218, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tP+ols0-LTc9; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:11:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from mtv-iport-1.cisco.com (mtv-iport-1.cisco.com [173.36.130.12]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220E321F869E; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:11:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=fred@cisco.com; l=21223; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1326906660; x=1328116260; h=subject:mime-version:from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id: references:to; bh=IZpTdB32aYg39EDtGA2asqDXcb1G1u/smLVhqp1XVXg=; b=JxigOD56Hshlbhqv0E3++S7mrcsBlWwyHpouak20xx18v/LWZoMAISDy WeUYwIPnH/R6p5V5t6pHS4Z/uE10NvfIleZA0wXAhcuDyC6llR9urRsC8 4b1pxoRDyWZOaoZF4ondBfeLKQMyXYO4iSiK97WaMVy9YTvuqDGSG+idz Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgEFANT7Fk+rRDoG/2dsb2JhbABEgk2peIECgQWBcgEBAQMBAQEBDwFbCwULCxEDAQEBASAHBycfCQgGEyKHWAiaPgGSBYxLBIlCFhICAQENBQQRBQEGAQEGAQUXFQECAQEIAQEBAwcQBQ4mDEQQBQsTAwgBAg4zAwQFCg4GAgQGBQIHBwMDElcWAQEBAoJHYwSIO4h9g1uFVY0S X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.71,529,1320624000"; d="scan'208,217";a="24304317" Received: from mtv-core-1.cisco.com ([171.68.58.6]) by mtv-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 18 Jan 2012 17:10:59 +0000 Received: from stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com (stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com [10.32.244.220]) by mtv-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q0IHAw0I006995; Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:10:59 GMT Received: from [127.0.0.1] by stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com (PGP Universal service); Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:10:58 -0800 X-PGP-Universal: processed; by stealth-10-32-244-220.cisco.com on Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:10:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Fred Baker In-Reply-To: <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E86@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:10:46 -0800 Message-Id: <61274377-D4EC-4381-9715-A85D9E5112FD@cisco.com> References: <20F09414D2C12F49A460A931E4907FB790B24DABE0@EXMAIL2.enernex.com> <002701ccd600$39e38d60$adaaa820$@us> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E86@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> To: "Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-20-707095579 Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org, IETF Chair , ext Richard Shockey Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:11:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail-20-707095579 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I am the IETF's voting representative. When I am faced with options = among which to vote, I generally forward the note to this list asking = for input. On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: > Does IETF vote at all? > =20 > Mehmet > =20 > From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Richard = Shockey > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:43 PM > To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF Chair' > Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights > =20 > +1 to that sentiment. I gave up on SGIP a long time ago. > =20 > From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:07 AM > To: IETF Chair > Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights > =20 > That's another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the = meeting. I frankly think our involvement is more important to them than = it is to us. > =20 > =20 > On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote: > =20 >=20 > Do we care? > =20 > Begin forwarded message: > =20 >=20 > From: Janet Roark > Date: January 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST > To: "fred@cisco.com" > Cc: "chair@ietf.org" > Subject: SGIP Voting Rights > =20 >=20 > Our records show your organization had no attendees at the last = Plenary meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday=92s = Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. = Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime = between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your = organization. > =20 > Link to Register: > https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/444978162 > =20 > Best Regards, > SGIP Administrator Team > sgipgb.administrator@enernex.com > =20 > > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > smartobjectdir mailing list > smartobjectdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir > =20 --Apple-Mail-20-707095579 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I am the IETF's voting representative. When I am = faced with options among which to vote, I generally forward the note to = this list asking for input.

On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:44 = AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote:

Does IETF vote at = all?
 
From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounce= s@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of ext = Richard Shockey
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 = 5:43 PM
To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF = Chair'
Cc:  Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights
From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounce= s@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Fred = Baker
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 = 11:07 AM
To: IETF = Chair
Cc:  Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

Our = records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary = meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday=92s Plenary = meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. Even if you = cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime between 1 and 3 = p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your = organization.

smartobjectdir@ietf.org
In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 09:15:03 -0800 Message-Id: <64D977A1-F285-4CF9-9BFD-728AC4045578@cisco.com> References: <20F09414D2C12F49A460A931E4907FB790B24DABE0@EXMAIL2.enernex.com> <002701ccd600$39e38d60$adaaa820$@us> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E86@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> <80A0822C5E9A4440A5117C2F4CD36A64034A2E91@DEMUEXC006.nsn-intra.net> To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-21-707352254 Cc: "Ersue, Mehmet \(NSN - DE/Munich\)" , smartobjectdir@ietf.org, IETF Chair , ext Richard Shockey Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 17:15:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail-21-707352254 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Fred can correct me, but the interest is not that much for us to vote = there but to continue to be on the flow of information (also about what = other SDOs do or plan) and contribute with IETF specific inputs. I do = not know if it is possible to remain in that loop if we lose the voting = rights membership. Well, it becomes more tenuous. To maintain the information flow, someone = has to show up. If someone else wants the job, that's Russ's choice. I think the secretariat has concepts screwed up again. I responded to = the email pointing out that I was the IETF's voting representative, and = she replied saying that I had been copied on the email in error. When I = first got involved in the SGIP, Stuart McCafferty told me that since I = was not employed by the IETF I was by definition a representative of = Cisco. I had to have a discussion with George Arnold (NIST head of the = SGIP) and Russ pointing out that while this might be true of the ITU or = ETSI, it is not true of the IETF. It sounds like someone new is looking = at things and applying the same logic. > Dan > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) [mailto:mehmet.ersue@nsn.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:54 PM > To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; IETF Chair > Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights > =20 > Yes, I meant also whether IETF votes at SGIP as an organization. > As Fred says, the current involvement seems to be more important to = them than us. > =20 > Mehmet > =20 > From: ext Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:47 PM > To: Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich); ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; = IETF Chair > Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights > =20 > If I understand correctly it=92s about us (the IETF) having through = our representatives voting rights in the SGIP, not about voting in the = IETF > =20 > Dan > =20 > =20 > From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Ersue, Mehmet (NSN = - DE/Munich) > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 6:45 PM > To: ext Richard Shockey; Fred Baker; IETF Chair > Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights > =20 > Does IETF vote at all? > =20 > Mehmet > =20 > From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ext Richard = Shockey > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:43 PM > To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF Chair' > Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights > =20 > +1 to that sentiment. I gave up on SGIP a long time ago. > =20 > From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org = [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Fred Baker > Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:07 AM > To: IETF Chair > Cc: smartobjectdir@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights > =20 > That's another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the = meeting. I frankly think our involvement is more important to them than = it is to us. > =20 > =20 > On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote: > =20 >=20 > Do we care? > =20 > Begin forwarded message: > =20 >=20 > From: Janet Roark > Date: January 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST > To: "fred@cisco.com" > Cc: "chair@ietf.org" > Subject: SGIP Voting Rights > =20 >=20 > Our records show your organization had no attendees at the last = Plenary meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday=92s = Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. = Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime = between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your = organization. > =20 > Link to Register: > https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/444978162 > =20 > Best Regards, > SGIP Administrator Team > sgipgb.administrator@enernex.com > =20 > > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > smartobjectdir mailing list > smartobjectdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir > =20 --Apple-Mail-21-707352254 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:58 AM, = Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote:

Fred can correct me, but = the interest is not that much for us to vote there but to continue to be = on the flow of information (also about what other SDOs do or plan) and = contribute with IETF specific inputs. I do not know if it is possible to = remain in that loop if we lose the voting rights = membership.

Well, it becomes more tenuous. To maintain the information = flow, someone has to show up. If someone else wants the job, that's = Russ's choice.

I think the secretariat has concepts screwed up again. I = responded to the email pointing out that I was the IETF's voting = representative, and she replied saying that I had been copied on the = email in error. When I first got involved in the SGIP, Stuart McCafferty = told me that since I was not employed by the IETF I was by definition a = representative of Cisco. I had to have a discussion with George Arnold = (NIST head of the SGIP) and Russ pointing out that while this might be = true of the ITU or ETSI, it is not true of the IETF. It sounds like = someone new is looking at things and applying the same = logic.

From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounce= s@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of ext = Richard Shockey
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 = 5:43 PM
To: 'Fred Baker'; 'IETF = Chair'
Cc:  Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights
From: smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounce= s@ietf.org] On = Behalf Of Fred = Baker
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 = 11:07 AM
To: IETF = Chair
Cc:  Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: = SGIP Voting Rights

 

Our = records show your organization had no attendees at the last Plenary = meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday=92s Plenary = meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. Even if you = cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime between 1 and 3 = p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your = organization.

smartobjectdir@ietf.org
, smartobjectdir@ietf.org, IETF Chair , ext Richard Shockey Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 18:28:28 -0000 Well, if the IETF is seen as having a vote there, then we ought to maintain it for the IETF. Not sure what that means or whether that's important to the rest of the IETF - the IRSG can decide that... Joe On 1/18/2012 9:10 AM, Fred Baker wrote: > I am the IETF's voting representative. When I am faced with options > among which to vote, I generally forward the note to this list asking > for input. > > On Jan 18, 2012, at 8:44 AM, Ersue, Mehmet (NSN - DE/Munich) wrote: > >> Does IETF vote at all? >> Mehmet >> *From:*smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org]*On >> Behalf Of*ext Richard Shockey >> *Sent:*Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:43 PM >> *To:*'Fred Baker'; 'IETF Chair' >> *Cc:*smartobjectdir@ietf.org >> *Subject:*Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights >> +1 to that sentiment. I gave up on SGIP a long time ago. >> *From:*smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:smartobjectdir-bounces@ietf.org]*On >> Behalf Of*Fred Baker >> *Sent:*Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:07 AM >> *To:*IETF Chair >> *Cc:*smartobjectdir@ietf.org >> *Subject:*Re: [smartobjectdir] Fwd: SGIP Voting Rights >> That's another question. As I replied to her, I was present at the >> meeting. I frankly think our involvement is more important to them >> than it is to us. >> On Jan 18, 2012, at 7:56 AM, IETF Chair wrote: >> >> Do we care? >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From:*Janet Roark > >> *Date:*January 18, 2012 10:36:54 AM EST >> *To:*"fred@cisco.com " > > >> *Cc:*"chair@ietf.org " > > >> *Subject: SGIP Voting Rights* >> >> Our records show your organization had no attendees at the last >> Plenary meeting. Therefore, it is important someone attend Friday’s >> Plenary meeting for your organization to maintain its Voting Rights. >> Even if you cannot log on exactly at 1pm, if you can arrive sometime >> between 1 and 3 p.m. Eastern, attendance will be captured for your >> organization. >> Link to Register: >> https://www2.gotomeeting.com/register/444978162 >> Best Regards, >> SGIP Administrator Team >> sgipgb.administrator@enernex.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> smartobjectdir mailing list >> smartobjectdir@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir > > > > _______________________________________________ > smartobjectdir mailing list > smartobjectdir@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/smartobjectdir