From nobody Tue Sep 2 22:41:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 442541A6FDD; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 22:41:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.568 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.568 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dUUIEzDga-uP; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 22:41:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nagasaki.bogus.com (nagasaki.bogus.com [IPv6:2001:418:1::81]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB1581A6FDB; Tue, 2 Sep 2014 22:41:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mb-aye.local (c-67-188-0-113.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [67.188.0.113]) (authenticated bits=0) by nagasaki.bogus.com (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id s835fJO9019836 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 3 Sep 2014 05:41:20 GMT (envelope-from joelja@bogus.com) Message-ID: <5406A9FC.9090308@bogus.com> Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 22:41:16 -0700 From: joel jaeggli User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/32.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IAB , IETF Announce References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="44QWurGD16apnw1u9MqFvnHOo9gLCtdXF" X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.4.3 (nagasaki.bogus.com [147.28.0.81]); Wed, 03 Sep 2014 05:41:20 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/smartobjectdir/SeCWVhIj2kdfCW8w4cVEvdTgsNo Cc: IETF SmartObjectDir , IETF Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Call for Review of draft-iab-smart-object-architecture-04.txt, "Architectural Considerations in Smart Object Networking" X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 05:41:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --44QWurGD16apnw1u9MqFvnHOo9gLCtdXF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable it has to be shipped with a secure default configuration (which includes no default accounts, no debugging interfaces enabled, etc.), The security considerations section doesn't grapple with the problem of bootstrapping or the establishment of trust, but does address the question of default properties. under conditions where device are only useful because they are connected those are not easily separable. On 8/27/14 11:18 AM, IAB Chair wrote: > This is a call for review of "Architectural Considerations in Smart Obj= ect Networking" prior to potential approval as an IAB stream RFC. >=20 > The document is available for inspection here: https://datatracker.ietf= =2Eorg/doc/draft-iab-smart-object-architecture/ >=20 > The Call for Review will last until 24 September 2014. Please send com= ments to iab@iab.org. >=20 > On behalf of the IAB, > Russ Housley > IAB Chair >=20 >=20 --44QWurGD16apnw1u9MqFvnHOo9gLCtdXF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAlQGqf0ACgkQ8AA1q7Z/VrKb9ACZAceD6fNSzwsTYMavpGwm1XiS apYAn0Zc1A/U16p8BInGQA1fWClEQCz+ =TaNS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --44QWurGD16apnw1u9MqFvnHOo9gLCtdXF-- From nobody Thu Sep 4 12:47:19 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CB181A0AF0; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 14:04:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.559 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS=0.01] autolearn=unavailable Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6SjxGh8xXvPB; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 14:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:3:216:3eff:fe7c:d1f3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C70981A0AED; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 14:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00D120029; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 94A3263AE8; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72D81638D7; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:04:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: IAB In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/smartobjectdir/mHFfBbC4NOZ5PA1qt0ZKJTh5wIE X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:47:17 -0700 Cc: IETF SmartObjectDir , IETF , IETF Announce Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Call for Review of draft-iab-smart-object-architecture-04.txt, "Architectural Considerations in Smart Object Networking" X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 21:04:23 -0000 --=-=-= IAB Chair wrote: > This is a call for review of "Architectural Considerations in Smart > Object Networking" prior to potential approval as an IAB stream RFC. > The document is available for inspection here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-smart-object-architecture/ > The Call for Review will last until 24 September 2014. Please send > comments to iab@iab.org. I read it. I found nothing surprising in it. I also didn't find anything to disagree with, but on the other hand, I am not sure I found anything specific that I could disagree with. I think it is a nice document, and details some useful network patterns, so in that, it is very useful. Are there any other patterns that we missed? I can't think of any. I did say that in the Device-to-Device pattern, that there was some implicit assumption that the wireless network was a single hop, and had no routers, and therefore devices/manufacturers have to agree on a layer 1/2. The ability to route is later mentioned in other sections. I would have liked better (cooler...) terms for sections 2.1/2.2./2.3/2.4, but I don't have any to offer. -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBVAI8T4CLcPvd0N1lAQIQdggAteDEy3pLbPvwdWMtZjHWRY8gsa+MTnzO C4CgjedjxUoXVIZXH4JNAeJpZmd6jSTOplmfrIvWnvOhKmkwBM4Hycm2lIcNkIAp qDdLGs1YaKa/nWl8CZtzzwqm0Io1Lw4rZEA8oDMupCho/ik2mlV+wthbXq7b0Xg7 0MKkvLfBiUDrfiR2FheJNOvhHvUPMjh3KqUU2Eq10Af0gN+t+kx37N4kb8wIS56t 24m9FTBzDjNiyeU8GeLmYDCufftCeyEsoWvgTDDi9vNkWfLamTaFSUain/L9oSZc N2clyYCZm5n026p3MCjLEEwyWlB51Vq1sP/TUGykDCXJnq1QXEiFKA== =a9ig -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Thu Sep 4 12:47:21 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87FE01A0AF9; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 14:07:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.559 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.668, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_TVD_MIME_NO_HEADERS=0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fUCqX1esInHQ; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 14:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 578601A0AED; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 14:07:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id B402020029; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:11:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by sandelman.ca (Postfix, from userid 179) id 8EB6E63AE8; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79386638D7; Sat, 30 Aug 2014 17:07:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "George\, Wes" In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.2; nmh 1.3-dev; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Sender: mcr@sandelman.ca Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/smartobjectdir/1wmOCeZtEcY9z12e0H5iXPdZ2M0 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:47:17 -0700 Cc: IAB Chair , IETF SmartObjectDir , IAB , IETF Subject: Re: [smartobjectdir] Call for Review of draft-iab-smart-object-architecture-04.txt, "Architectural Considerations in Smart Object Networking" X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2014 21:07:43 -0000 --=-=-= George, Wes wrote: > I don't believe that smart object networking is viable at any real scale > without IPv6. There simply aren't enough addresses, even taking into > account RFC1918. I see this *today* in my own network with deployments I read the document before the thread replying. I agree with you, to the point where I didn't think any smart object systems could operate without IPv6. In other words, I assumed every instance of "IP" meant "IPv6" (I also wondered how many IPv6 capable CPE routers pass DCCP/SCTP) -- Michael Richardson , Sandelman Software Works -= IPv6 IoT consulting =- --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBVAI9GYCLcPvd0N1lAQJQ6AgAkJaWS9DlQ0uwapoFMcraiYbART0S9xxP 0BBe9evMYos+CYnFTivGzRvMfgbmklUFJi2teTw68p8ukZUT7RNL0Jac6qU4Jyd/ /t+fJFYtmQelb5Kw5+t2iacFKInj2j+fLN1Qlsy2vBFD5CahI7CyVpgt9zb3x5NG /sObGXCrUd9ifGCI3ewEfrZ+7iRebTRCi07Pf2lj6eCm1Ry8jvFK5662PNukWwJy NG/LgIw/f92i00BYy1KV9MesigwP/YWkctLR3Ix2xrKjy0z02R3UbRP4owwyjWKm I9cy6F1mfWwpOjz5P8CWGbV0JbMk187sXu6JwocXuKW2qPM6lSqZ1A== =KZEg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri Sep 26 00:53:44 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: smartobjectdir@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6DF41A1A8C for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 00:53:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.955 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.955 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_NET=0.611, RDNS_NONE=0.793] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xf3AQx0ZW1yn for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 00:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AF191A1A88 for ; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 00:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F7812CC5D; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:53:39 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sbZWPR4D2YsE; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:53:34 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFB772CC4D; Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:53:34 +0300 (EEST) From: Jari Arkko Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CA70799C-4924-458A-AAE0-A462FFE45011"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 10:53:34 +0300 Message-Id: <22733BA0-2678-44A1-89A5-0BE5CBB3E5CC@piuha.net> To: smartobjectdir@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/smartobjectdir/PZrvJgInWRIcWgkrhHfSt8tBgjs Cc: Brian Haberman Subject: [smartobjectdir] Closing the smart object directorate X-BeenThere: smartobjectdir@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 07:53:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_CA70799C-4924-458A-AAE0-A462FFE45011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 You may remember that you are on the smart object directorate = (https://www.ietf.org/iesg/directorate/smart-object.html). It was = created at the time when smart energy topic was hot in the industry, and = the individuals from the directorate helped bring about many useful = things, from good discussions to reviews of the documents that were = being done at the time (like Fred=92s RFC 6272). Thank you! But the world moves forward. Today the Internet of Things is a very = active development area in the industry, as well as a key IETF standards = topic. Work has moved from a general interest to doing specific things = in various IETF areas. We are now setting up a new directorate to look = after this area, as a help to the ADs and chairs who are managing work = in this area. At the same time, I am closing this directorate. I know = many of you are very active in this field; if you are interested in = contributing to the Internet of Things directorate, please contact = Brian. Thanks again, Jari Arkko --Apple-Mail=_CA70799C-4924-458A-AAE0-A462FFE45011 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJUJRt+AAoJEM80gCTQU46q6nUP/AitHOnmzhYvmwq/JvVRgmtq acdrDk6SdEx0W84igUrVMa2Ty69hEtFduGsi/IXosHFvN8Lhkla4qX1rVqHH0GJO ediKxELA3foSyoI6D39cx78Y4AI+7KL6JE3AMG45ObSDOP2Rl/jkR4IbMZMo+/aN pWs2Qraaq+CYXyhDqn33qqR3EuvdYVFb1yI+VKUEqEHyt32w+cpJgOBNAjrmKMLN pOj3I1aKhU/wwJJ8PJ07g9frpwuxeGhpyfM4pY0q2jdo52kVSxL+6udVn47j7uOT pjdnraYfpWxJrvKa79Gjm4wv96KhdSRfsYUO3bH3DheoXBzRI+vycJ5kb9HO8Jg2 nBdx/reQNbyUlZ717EiVk9LN1lbTG1sa25sgABGYoGFcbWbKOXcf6l/tagfZ2V0s DGj1YpnXlLRpf8vOhc+42cec9Gg47mBSwAP37DTSherqHjbx3IA8xQN/5sKEqeFO ShkgaH9kE9x7eHeVOw3qFcuWFxzzaDrdBDhyuheb0i4SRHsnAMV/iXdkTYoduSKT EXn4jWtDxQnZcWxJADatth2HtyacAeZ4dbwlOnAIiOhAMJqoNTzE/M+G6xRv4T6d 5qLXiD/qKSryLeNuEHyV0Tq1jmKI5/GYFORE4cWoFQ2clKUvaURy3pguCI69mg+V AYTmAf0B5Vjn4xu8DhLc =eAPd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_CA70799C-4924-458A-AAE0-A462FFE45011--