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Thanks! http://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/tools-development/tools-development-archive%40optimus.ietf.org From tools-development-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 7 14:57:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-tools-development-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-development-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A62C03A794B; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:57:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.798, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNLXuR0OmJ4m; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:57:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B7543A79CB; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:57:01 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 212F23A790A for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:57:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3rGt6VdQ-L1g for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:56:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp164.sat.emailsrvr.com (smtp164.sat.emailsrvr.com [66.216.121.164]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9B313A7CBB for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 14:56:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9D52C1B41F7; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:58:11 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay6.relay.sat.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 6A7A81B4048; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 17:58:11 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47AB8D42.7010102@isoc.org> Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:59:14 -0500 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org, Jorge Contreras Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Friday Conference Call X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-development-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-development-bounces@ietf.org All; Friday's call will be at 10:00 AM ET. Agenda 1. Code Sprint Acknowledgment 2. Open Source Repository 3, Other Ray United States : 866. 616. 1738 Conference Code: 193. 366. 9157 Local Dial-In Number(s)**: Austria, Vienna Dial-In #: 019286515 Belgium, Brussels Dial-In #: 024017041 Denmark, Copenhagen Dial-In #: 032714951 Finland, Helsinki Dial-In #: 0923113284 France, Lyon Dial-In #: 0426690490 France, Marseille Dial-In #: 0488130167 France, Paris Dial-In #: 0170700767 Germany, Frankfurt Dial-In #: 069222220478 Ireland, Dublin Dial-In #: 012475152 Italy, Milan Dial-In #: 0236005649 Netherlands, Amsterdam Dial-In #: 0207133440 Norway, Oslo Dial-In #: 21510846 Portugal, Lisbon Dial-In #: 0211201838 Spain, Madrid Dial-In #: 914141419 Sweden, Stockholm Dial-In #: 0856618459 Switzerland, Bellinzona Dial-In #: 0912800000 United Kingdom, LocalCall Dial-In #: 08452455269 International Freephone Dial-in Number(s): Australia : 1800076718 Austria : 0800111957 Bahrain : 80004152 Belgium : 080048305 Brazil : 08008912092 China, North : 108007121533 China, South : 108001201533 Croatia (Hrvatska) : 0800223071 Czech Republic : 800142907 Denmark : 80884387 France : 0805110471 France, lile : 0359580293 Germany : 08001014907 Hong Kong : 800901297 Hungary : 0680015519 Iceland : 8008658 India : 0008001006354 Ireland : 1800300182 Israel : 1809213971 Italy : 800906494 Japan : 00531121895 Korea (South) : 00308131549 Malaysia : 1800805077 Mexico : 0018664297882 Netherlands : 08009494598 New Zealand : 0800446473 Poland : 008001212289 Russian Federation : 81080021232044 Singapore : 8001011668 South Africa : 0800995487 Spain : 900961635 Sweden : 0200887528 Switzerland : 0800564504 Turkey : 0080044632072 United Arab Emirates : 8000440134 United States : 18666161738 Venezuela : 08001627404 ** International Freephone numbers are subject to change. Before each conference, refer to the numbers above for the most current information. Always use your Toll number as a backup. Customer Service: 0800 833 695 or +44 (0) 1452 553456 _______________________________________________ TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From tools-development-bounces@ietf.org Thu Feb 7 23:39:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-tools-development-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-development-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29ACE3A7E73; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:39:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.023 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.023 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=3.622, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YU9PT4XJ2WPw; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:39:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CFAC3A7CFA; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:39:42 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588D73A7D96 for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:39:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b1KY5ZuUP8eO for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mgw-mx09.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.105.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484153A7CFA for ; Thu, 7 Feb 2008 23:39:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (esebh106.ntc.nokia.com [172.21.138.213]) by mgw-mx09.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.6/Switch-3.2.6) with ESMTP id m187dguQ004795; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 01:42:25 -0600 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by esebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:41:02 +0200 Received: from esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.177]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:41:01 +0200 Received: from mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com ([172.21.143.96]) by esebh101.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:41:02 +0200 Received: from [192.130.163.232] (essapo-nirac25363.europe.nokia.com [10.162.253.63]) by mgw-int01.ntc.nokia.com (Switch-3.2.5/Switch-3.2.5) with ESMTP id m187exHT023709; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:41:00 +0200 In-Reply-To: <47AB8D42.7010102@isoc.org> References: <47AB8D42.7010102@isoc.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) Message-Id: <283DD9BB-9CD5-42BD-A850-340E7CE498DB@nokia.com> From: Bob Hinden Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 09:41:03 +0200 To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2008 07:41:02.0185 (UTC) FILETIME=[F41BB590:01C86A25] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: Jorge Contreras , tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Friday Conference Call X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: bob.hinden@nokia.com List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tools-development-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-development-bounces@ietf.org I will be on a flight from FRA to SFO, so won't be able to make the call. Bob On Feb 8, 2008, at 12:59 AM, ext Ray Pelletier wrote: > All; > > Friday's call will be at 10:00 AM ET. > > Agenda > > 1. Code Sprint Acknowledgment > 2. Open Source Repository > 3, Other > > Ray > > United States : 866. 616. 1738 > Conference Code: 193. 366. 9157 > > Local Dial-In Number(s)**: > Austria, Vienna Dial-In #: 019286515 > Belgium, Brussels Dial-In #: 024017041 > Denmark, Copenhagen Dial-In #: 032714951 > Finland, Helsinki Dial-In #: 0923113284 > France, Lyon Dial-In #: 0426690490 > France, Marseille Dial-In #: 0488130167 > France, Paris Dial-In #: 0170700767 > Germany, Frankfurt Dial-In #: 069222220478 > Ireland, Dublin Dial-In #: 012475152 > Italy, Milan Dial-In #: 0236005649 > Netherlands, Amsterdam Dial-In #: 0207133440 > Norway, Oslo Dial-In #: 21510846 > Portugal, Lisbon Dial-In #: 0211201838 > Spain, Madrid Dial-In #: 914141419 > Sweden, Stockholm Dial-In #: 0856618459 > Switzerland, Bellinzona Dial-In #: 0912800000 > United Kingdom, LocalCall Dial-In #: 08452455269 > International Freephone Dial-in Number(s): > Australia : 1800076718 > Austria : 0800111957 > Bahrain : 80004152 > Belgium : 080048305 > Brazil : 08008912092 > China, North : 108007121533 > China, South : 108001201533 > Croatia (Hrvatska) : 0800223071 > Czech Republic : 800142907 > Denmark : 80884387 > France : 0805110471 > France, lile : 0359580293 > Germany : 08001014907 > Hong Kong : 800901297 > Hungary : 0680015519 > Iceland : 8008658 > India : 0008001006354 > Ireland : 1800300182 > Israel : 1809213971 > Italy : 800906494 > Japan : 00531121895 > Korea (South) : 00308131549 > Malaysia : 1800805077 > Mexico : 0018664297882 > Netherlands : 08009494598 > New Zealand : 0800446473 > Poland : 008001212289 > Russian Federation : 81080021232044 > Singapore : 8001011668 > South Africa : 0800995487 > Spain : 900961635 > Sweden : 0200887528 > Switzerland : 0800564504 > Turkey : 0080044632072 > United Arab Emirates : 8000440134 > United States : 18666161738 > Venezuela : 08001627404 > ** International Freephone numbers are subject to change. Before each > conference, refer to the numbers above for the most current > information. > Always use your Toll number as a backup. > > Customer Service: 0800 833 695 or +44 (0) 1452 553456 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development _______________________________________________ TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From tools-development-bounces@ietf.org Fri Feb 8 07:48:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: ietfarch-tools-development-archive@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: ietfarch-tools-development-archive@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 632B028C371; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:48:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.299, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=1] Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jU9jf5AtpuXL; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:48:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from core3.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC53D28C2C1; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:48:10 -0800 (PST) X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DB428C353 for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:48:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from core3.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.ietf.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yVD5sljiuF7g for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:48:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.134]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6217628C2EE for ; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 07:48:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id BDCF044C6DC; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay3.r3.iad.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTP id 40D8D44C6C3; Fri, 8 Feb 2008 10:49:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47AC7A41.3040909@isoc.org> Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 10:50:25 -0500 From: Ray Pelletier User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh, zh-cn, zh-hk, zh-sg, zh-tw, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Pelletier References: <47AB8D42.7010102@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <47AB8D42.7010102@isoc.org> Cc: Matt Larson , Jorge Contreras , tools-development@ietf.org, James M Galvin , Glen Barney Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Conf Call Notes - 2-08-08 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1806692835==" Sender: tools-development-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: tools-development-bounces@ietf.org This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============1806692835== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050207090509000805020504" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050207090509000805020504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Next call: Scheduled for 14 March at 10:00 am ET Note - 14 March is IETF meeting week in Philadelphia TMC Call 2-08-08 Attendees Michael Henrik Cullen Ray Jorge Agenda 0. Tools Subcmte - Henrik, Chair 1. Code Sprint Acknowledgment 2. Open Source Repository 3. IT Transition 4. Tools Testing 5. SDD 0. Tools Subcmte - The IAOC has asked Henrik if he will serve as chair of this committee and he has accepted 1. Code Sprint Acknowledgment - Henrik - huge improvement, but not what I expected; still licensing code to Trust; whereas expected all code produced under copyright from and for the Trust Jorge - asking for more than expected from standards work; couldn't decide why Trust should get more, and expected harder to convince, plus also have BCP 78 and 79 policy in place. A compromise, a license and not copyright. Henrik - thought the other would have been easier for Trust, regardless of for profit or not; work-for-hire under the Trust preferable Jorge - would need a corporate sign-off Henrik - believe situation similar and not more problematic Jorge - beauty is companies have alread agreed when they send their people, and this is just a small step; people don't want to go back to legal Henrik - not sure a real distinction in practice; propose have both options available - donate outright or sign acknowledgment Cullen - as to having the Trust own outright, why better Jorge - can enforce rights where infringement; if own copyright Cullen - goal to block misusing; might be surprised as to authors view on this; if said, free code for trust but not open source Cullen - Cisco legal response, no answer yet, but initial reponse, not seen before - not a software license agreement; plus does not limit liability (as is, no implied warranties); preference limit to $1,000; can you point me to BCP provision on limiting liability Jorge - there are disclaimers; but if we need more, that's ok Cullen - just looking for feedback on the proposals from Cisco Jorge - using both options is ok too. Henrik - looking to sign a work-for-hire document Cullen - who sign - company or inidividual Henrik - will depend on company and individual employment contract; IETF will have to trust individual to do what's necessary Jorge - individual represents he has all rights and authorization to assign Jorge - info to Cullen; a document which won't mention work-for-hire, an assignment 2. Open Source Repository Ray - Trustees met and selected tools.ietf.org as the repository under Henrik's management. Bob Hinden will be getting in touch with Henrik to work out procedures, policies, documentation, etc. 3. IT Transition Ray - thanks to all of you for assisting with the transition, either by bringing items to our attention or by assisting in developing or suggesting solutions. 4. Tools Testing Ray - have invoices for the Porting of: a. Meeting Session Request Tool b. I-D Submission Tool Need testing to be done before I accept the work and pay the NSS invoices. Really only have a reasonable time to test, and if don't will have to accept and pay. Michael - set up a testing environment for Cullen and WG chairs Cullen - WG chairs have been busy during transition, but will do Ray - next week IT Transition should slow down, and perhaps following week WG chairs can get to it Henrik - I can get to the IDST, perhaps next week. Been trying to catch up after vacation and helping with transition. 5. SDD for IESG I-D Tracker Ray - need more feedback; have received some from Russ, but need Henrik and Bill to comment next week, else have to authorize Michael to proceed 6. Misc Cullen - Bill review SDD? Michael - no Henrik - Bill, busy with new job; should try to get his attention Cullen - who else on tools committee? Ray - Russ, Bob, Ray, Henrik - chair, Bill, Cullen, AMS- Glen, Matt Ray Pelletier wrote: >All; > >Friday's call will be at 10:00 AM ET. > >Agenda > >1. Code Sprint Acknowledgment >2. Open Source Repository >3, Other > >Ray > >United States : 866. 616. 1738 >Conference Code: 193. 366. 9157 > >Local Dial-In Number(s)**: >Austria, Vienna Dial-In #: 019286515 >Belgium, Brussels Dial-In #: 024017041 >Denmark, Copenhagen Dial-In #: 032714951 >Finland, Helsinki Dial-In #: 0923113284 >France, Lyon Dial-In #: 0426690490 >France, Marseille Dial-In #: 0488130167 >France, Paris Dial-In #: 0170700767 >Germany, Frankfurt Dial-In #: 069222220478 >Ireland, Dublin Dial-In #: 012475152 >Italy, Milan Dial-In #: 0236005649 >Netherlands, Amsterdam Dial-In #: 0207133440 >Norway, Oslo Dial-In #: 21510846 >Portugal, Lisbon Dial-In #: 0211201838 >Spain, Madrid Dial-In #: 914141419 >Sweden, Stockholm Dial-In #: 0856618459 >Switzerland, Bellinzona Dial-In #: 0912800000 >United Kingdom, LocalCall Dial-In #: 08452455269 >International Freephone Dial-in Number(s): >Australia : 1800076718 >Austria : 0800111957 >Bahrain : 80004152 >Belgium : 080048305 >Brazil : 08008912092 >China, North : 108007121533 >China, South : 108001201533 >Croatia (Hrvatska) : 0800223071 >Czech Republic : 800142907 >Denmark : 80884387 >France : 0805110471 >France, lile : 0359580293 >Germany : 08001014907 >Hong Kong : 800901297 >Hungary : 0680015519 >Iceland : 8008658 >India : 0008001006354 >Ireland : 1800300182 >Israel : 1809213971 >Italy : 800906494 >Japan : 00531121895 >Korea (South) : 00308131549 >Malaysia : 1800805077 >Mexico : 0018664297882 >Netherlands : 08009494598 >New Zealand : 0800446473 >Poland : 008001212289 >Russian Federation : 81080021232044 >Singapore : 8001011668 >South Africa : 0800995487 >Spain : 900961635 >Sweden : 0200887528 >Switzerland : 0800564504 >Turkey : 0080044632072 >United Arab Emirates : 8000440134 >United States : 18666161738 >Venezuela : 08001627404 >** International Freephone numbers are subject to change. 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Note - 14 March is IETF meeting week in Philadelphia

TMC Call 2-08-08

Attendees
Michael
Henrik
Cullen
Ray

Jorge

Agenda

0. Tools Subcmte - Henrik, Chair
1. Code Sprint Acknowledgment

2. Open Source Repository
3. IT Transition
4. Tools Testing
5. SDD

0. Tools Subcmte - The IAOC has asked Henrik if he will serve as chair of this committee and he has accepted

1. Code Sprint Acknowledgment
 - Henrik - huge improvement, but not what I expected; still licensing code to Trust; whereas expected all code produced under copyright from and for the Trust

Jorge - asking for more than expected from standards work; couldn't decide why Trust should get more, and expected harder to convince, plus also have BCP 78 and 79 policy in place.  A compromise, a license and not copyright.

Henrik - thought the other would have been easier for Trust, regardless of for profit or not; work-for-hire under the Trust preferable

Jorge - would need a corporate sign-off

Henrik - believe situation similar and not more problematic

Jorge - beauty is companies have alread agreed when they send their people, and this is just a small step; people don't want to go back to legal

Henrik - not sure a real distinction in practice; propose have both options available - donate outright or sign acknowledgment

Cullen - as to having the Trust own outright, why better

Jorge - can enforce rights where infringement; if own copyright

Cullen - goal to block misusing; might be surprised as to authors view on this; if said, free code for trust but not open source

Cullen - Cisco legal response, no answer yet, but initial reponse, not seen before - not a software license agreement; plus does not limit liability (as is, no implied warranties); preference limit to $1,000; can you point me to BCP provision on limiting liability

Jorge - there are disclaimers; but if we need more, that's ok

Cullen - just looking for feedback on the proposals from Cisco

Jorge - using both options is ok too.

Henrik - looking to sign a work-for-hire document

Cullen - who sign - company or inidividual

Henrik - will depend on company and individual employment contract; IETF will have to trust individual to do what's necessary

Jorge - individual represents he has all rights and authorization to assign

Jorge - info to Cullen; a document which won't mention work-for-hire, an assignment

2. Open Source Repository
Ray - Trustees met and selected tools.ietf.org as the repository under Henrik's management.  Bob Hinden will be getting in touch with Henrik to work out procedures, policies, documentation, etc.

3. IT Transition
Ray - thanks to all of you for assisting with the transition, either by bringing items to our attention or by assisting in developing or suggesting solutions.

4. Tools Testing
Ray - have invoices for the Porting of:
a. Meeting Session Request Tool
b. I-D Submission Tool

Need testing to be done before I accept the work and pay the NSS invoices.  Really only have a reasonable time to test, and if don't will have to accept and pay.

Michael - set up a testing environment for Cullen and WG chairs
Cullen - WG chairs have been busy during transition, but will do
Ray - next week IT Transition should slow down, and perhaps following week WG chairs can get to it

Henrik - I can get to the IDST, perhaps next week.  Been trying to catch up after vacation and helping with transition.

5. SDD for IESG I-D Tracker
Ray - need more feedback; have received some from Russ, but need Henrik and Bill to comment next week, else have to authorize Michael to proceed

6. Misc
Cullen - Bill review SDD?
Michael - no
Henrik - Bill, busy with new job; should try to get his attention

Cullen - who else on tools committee?
Ray - Russ, Bob, Ray, Henrik - chair, Bill, Cullen, AMS- Glen, Matt

Ray Pelletier wrote: 
All;

Friday's call will be at 10:00 AM ET.

Agenda

1.  Code Sprint Acknowledgment
2.  Open Source Repository
3,  Other

Ray

United States : 866. 616. 1738
Conference Code: 193. 366. 9157

Local Dial-In Number(s)**:
Austria, Vienna Dial-In #: 019286515
Belgium, Brussels Dial-In #: 024017041
Denmark, Copenhagen Dial-In #: 032714951
Finland, Helsinki Dial-In #: 0923113284
France, Lyon Dial-In #: 0426690490
France, Marseille Dial-In #: 0488130167
France, Paris Dial-In #: 0170700767
Germany, Frankfurt Dial-In #: 069222220478
Ireland, Dublin Dial-In #: 012475152
Italy, Milan Dial-In #: 0236005649
Netherlands, Amsterdam Dial-In #: 0207133440
Norway, Oslo Dial-In #: 21510846
Portugal, Lisbon Dial-In #: 0211201838
Spain, Madrid Dial-In #: 914141419
Sweden, Stockholm Dial-In #: 0856618459
Switzerland, Bellinzona Dial-In #: 0912800000
United Kingdom, LocalCall Dial-In #: 08452455269
International Freephone Dial-in Number(s):
Australia : 1800076718
Austria : 0800111957
Bahrain : 80004152
Belgium : 080048305
Brazil : 08008912092
China, North : 108007121533
China, South : 108001201533
Croatia (Hrvatska) : 0800223071
Czech Republic : 800142907
Denmark : 80884387
France : 0805110471
France, lile : 0359580293
Germany : 08001014907
Hong Kong : 800901297
Hungary : 0680015519
Iceland : 8008658
India : 0008001006354
Ireland : 1800300182
Israel : 1809213971
Italy : 800906494
Japan : 00531121895
Korea (South) : 00308131549
Malaysia : 1800805077
Mexico : 0018664297882
Netherlands : 08009494598
New Zealand : 0800446473
Poland : 008001212289
Russian Federation : 81080021232044
Singapore : 8001011668
South Africa : 0800995487
Spain : 900961635
Sweden : 0200887528
Switzerland : 0800564504
Turkey : 0080044632072
United Arab Emirates : 8000440134
United States : 18666161738
Venezuela : 08001627404
** International Freephone numbers are subject to change. Before each 
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At 10:50 AM 2/8/2008, Ray Pelletier wrote:
Next call: Scheduled for 14 March at 10:00 am ET
Note - 14 March is IETF meeting week in Philadelphia
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