From housley@vigilsec.com Tue Aug 11 11:29:59 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 805E43A6A2F; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:29:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.369 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.369 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.230, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Cee2Z-PUiDv; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3FA33A6F0B; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 11:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF635F24005; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:03:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 56yjygO9Uhj9; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com (pool-96-241-154-102.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.241.154.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42FBDF24020; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:03:42 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:03:17 -0400 To: tools-development@ietf.org From: Russ Housley Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20090811180342.42FBDF24020@odin.smetech.net> Cc: iesg@ietf.org Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Working Group Web Pages X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 18:29:59 -0000 At IETF 75 the IESG and Secretariat discussed a redesign of the Working Group Web Pages. This is the next step in the IETF Web Site redesign. It was observed that many of the cool improvements that were discussed are already available on tools.ietf.org. Where possible, I would like to reuse any code that was developed for tools.ietf.org. Does anyone see any problems? Russ From housley@vigilsec.com Tue Aug 11 14:33:52 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7A6C3A6F27; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.382 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.382 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.217, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sYuRg0-0cpjY; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E86E3A6969; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15C0BF24008; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:33:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VnL1YGQPpIM8; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com (pool-96-241-154-102.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.241.154.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C60EF24005; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:33:13 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 17:30:44 -0400 To: Henrik Levkowetz From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4A81E1BD.1020102@netnod.se> References: <20090811180342.42FBDF24020@odin.smetech.net> <4A81E1BD.1020102@netnod.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20090811213313.5C60EF24005@odin.smetech.net> Cc: tools-development@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Working Group Web Pages X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:33:53 -0000 Henrik: >I'd love to write the Django code to set up working group pages equivalent >to the tools ones on the datatracker, but I'd hate to start doing that >before the database redesign is in place... I do not want the many other improvements that can be made to these pages to block on the database update. We may need to get there in two (or more) steps. Russ From brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com Tue Aug 11 14:54:31 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C9573A6AC9; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:54:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.423 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.423 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.176, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CSnZws24ZHKZ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com (wa-out-1112.google.com [209.85.146.181]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018DC3A6EC9; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:54:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id v27so726242wah.5 for ; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:52:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=aq/A+Cipq7hDRJ+WnEwTGkSCyS2ceOVDmgBanYRJaz8=; b=eqe2iZTy4hikirQFU6RmQ990Ugryb5y8Px2athiDh8N/qrZLDksuZjhpovYQzrDtgx MvtBosQpJv3VNSyw9EsFs/6d/ENAW+SLk6j7VHjUQnNtpJOBGjaUGQUCYJ+yKFveCC+p KSEyw0MgCgFk72zzCFAcqxaWDnH9W4zb2bNXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=j29Xghamu/Bc78QzM6A5mZ5+WYr/ywaaITVLREWXtDqcmdLXf+Ru9AW5tuknu+dKEA 3o5YAwMrGflJmlOwUdqTPxxkxy3veLbrhzTYdrI2389Kaj5f16hi0YEA+BHiO0bpqvPG yTLqPLkyNAHiUow9fwCOY6YpMmqDToOt5w3Nw= Received: by 10.114.174.3 with SMTP id w3mr8328208wae.189.1250027099361; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:44:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?130.216.38.124? (stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l30sm11402969waf.0.2009.08.11.14.44.57 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A81E64E.8010601@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:44:46 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <20090811180342.42FBDF24020@odin.smetech.net> In-Reply-To: <20090811180342.42FBDF24020@odin.smetech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-development@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Working Group Web Pages X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:54:31 -0000 On 2009-08-12 06:03, Russ Housley wrote: > At IETF 75 the IESG and Secretariat discussed a redesign of the Working > Group Web Pages. This is the next step in the IETF Web Site redesign. > It was observed that many of the cool improvements that were discussed > are already available on tools.ietf.org. Where possible, I would like > to reuse any code that was developed for tools.ietf.org. Does anyone > see any problems? Not as a matter of principle, assuming the appropriate open source license applies. I do think that the home page for a WG page should look more like the current charter page than like http://tools.ietf.org/wg/behave/, since a first-time user needs the basics. Also for non-participant users, the list of published RFCs is a more important resource than the lists of milestones and current drafts. So there is some tearing apart and reassembly of the charter page needed anyway. Parctical question, would the wiki stuff stay on the tools servers? Brian From housley@vigilsec.com Wed Aug 12 10:50:33 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780EE3A6BF3; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:50:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.396 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.203, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pXoOa7fgQnWX; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81AC3A6B61; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76366F2401B; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:18:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6j5L7JUbpvlX; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from THINKPADR52.vigilsec.com (pool-96-241-154-102.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.241.154.102]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0A2F2401D; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:18:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 10:04:35 -0400 To: Brian E Carpenter From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4A81E64E.8010601@gmail.com> References: <20090811180342.42FBDF24020@odin.smetech.net> <4A81E64E.8010601@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20090812141854.BD0A2F2401D@odin.smetech.net> Cc: tools-development@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Working Group Web Pages X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:50:33 -0000 Brian: >Parctical question, would the wiki stuff stay on the tools servers? I have not heard anyone suggest that it should be moved. What's your thought in raising the question? 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(stf-brian.sfac.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.38.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d20sm13377767waa.47.2009.08.12.16.29.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A83505E.1070709@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 11:29:34 +1200 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.6 (Windows/20070728) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <20090811180342.42FBDF24020@odin.smetech.net> <4A81E64E.8010601@gmail.com> <20090812141854.BD0A2F2401D@odin.smetech.net> In-Reply-To: <20090812141854.BD0A2F2401D@odin.smetech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: tools-development@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Working Group Web Pages X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 23:30:11 -0000 On 2009-08-13 02:04, Russ Housley wrote: > Brian: > >> Parctical question, would the wiki stuff stay on the tools servers? > > I have not heard anyone suggest that it should be moved. What's your > thought in raising the question? I have no argument for moving it. The login arrangements on the tools servers seem to work well, and I had a slight concern that moving that setup to the main site would be complicated. Not moving it seems easier! Brian From henrik@netnod.se Tue Aug 11 14:26:42 2009 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DFC23A6908; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:26:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.249 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.249 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_SE=0.35] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jd4UhxbndpO8; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:26:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from defiant.autonomica.se (defiant.autonomica.se [192.71.80.105]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E253A67A8; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 14:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-94-254-85-221.NA.cust.bahnhof.se (h-94-254-85-221.NA.cust.bahnhof.se [94.254.85.221]) (Authenticated sender: henrik) by defiant.autonomica.se (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id ADE1818E810; Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:25:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4A81E1BD.1020102@netnod.se> Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 23:25:17 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (Macintosh/20090605) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <20090811180342.42FBDF24020@odin.smetech.net> In-Reply-To: <20090811180342.42FBDF24020@odin.smetech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 06:27:58 -0700 Cc: tools-development@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Working Group Web Pages X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 21:26:42 -0000 Hi Russ, On 2009-08-11 20:03 Russ Housley said the following: > At IETF 75 the IESG and Secretariat discussed a redesign of the > Working Group Web Pages. This is the next step in the IETF Web Site > redesign. It was observed that many of the cool improvements that > were discussed are already available on tools.ietf.org. Where > possible, I would like to reuse any code that was developed for > tools.ietf.org. Does anyone see any problems? The code for the tools page is available, but it assumes a completely different flat-file organization of the information, rather than the database back-end, and it uses inline html, rather than Django's separate html-template, view-logic code and database-model separation. I'd love to write the Django code to set up working group pages equivalent to the tools ones on the datatracker, but I'd hate to start doing that before the database redesign is in place... Best, Henrik