From rpelletier@isoc.org Wed Jan 6 12:00:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FEC928C1B8 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:00:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cl80s3FM5hyV for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:00:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.204]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3639128C18C for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9BB5E1B4B22 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:00:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 911C21B4B15 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:00:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <79769955-5B05-4645-8409-2BC515D13F4E@isoc.org> From: Ray Pelletier To: tools-development@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 15:00:08 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2010 Tools Call Schedule X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2010 20:00:15 -0000 All; Below is the schedule for calls for 2010. Calls are the 2nd Friday of the month beginning at 11:00 AM ET. Except January which will be 15 Jan. We will be using WebEx. Ray https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/iaoc-pvt.org_djrkmpfsf145ubr2bps2ku5shc%40group.calendar.google.com/private-1404e2d48367f1b5a5955eae37b13c28/basic.ics 15-Jan 12-Feb 12-Mar 9-Apr 14-May 11-Jun 9-Jul 13-Aug 10-Sep 8-Oct 19-Nov 10-Dec From housley@vigilsec.com Wed Jan 13 07:23:13 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D49163A69E9 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:23:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.56 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.56 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vX3s-4F5T1Rc for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B22C3A67AF for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 07:23:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 254E49A473A for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:23:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0j+IPHJMb+Oh for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:23:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.113] (pool-173-66-67-45.washdc.fios.verizon.net [173.66.67.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB5A9A4728 for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:23:12 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4B4DE55D.8010506@vigilsec.com> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:23:09 -0500 From: Russ Housley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.1) Gecko/20090902 Eudora/3.0b3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Need volunteer for continued support of xml2rfc X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 15:23:13 -0000 No one on this list stepped forward to maintain xml2rfc, so I took the request to the IETF Discussion list. Two people contacted me. One is willing to keep the tcl code running, and the other is interested in rewriting xml2rfc in a different language. I've asked the pair to work together. The next step is for them to contact Marshall Rose. Russ -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: Need volunteer for continued support of xml2rfc Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 10:19:22 -0500 From: Russ Housley To: John R. Levine , jason.bailey@24601.org Please contact Marshall Rose and see what it takes for you guys to take over xml2rfc. Please let me know how it goes. Russ > From: Marshall Rose > To: marshall.eubanks@gmail.com > Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:40:35 -0800 > Cc: trustees@ietf.org, Julian Reschke , Carl > Malamud > Subject: continued support of xml2rfc > > greetings. > > the 10 year anniversary of xml2rfc arrived this summer. it is fair to > say that i am no longer interested in supporting it. however, i am > informed that there are substantive number of incremental changes to > the boilerplate forthcoming. > > this may be problematic given that a substantive number of I-D (and > subsequent RFC) submissions are made using the tool. > > it is, of course, the trust's prerogative to make changes to the > boilerplate whenever you want; however, in the absence of changes to > the tool, to do so will dramatically increase manual processing of > submissions, reducing productivity and introducing errors. > > accordingly, i suggest that you identify alternative technical > resources to maintain xml2rfc, and that those resources are in place > prior to any change of the boilerplate. > > /mtr From rpelletier@isoc.org Thu Jan 14 10:54:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFA1D3A6873 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:54:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.662 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.662 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.064, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wyFEz-0VDO9x for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.204]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB103A685F for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 10:54:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 275C81B40B7 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:54:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay30.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 99BB41B4007 for ; Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:54:48 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3170FA9D-5E34-4764-B36E-BC9BD1C6AA17@isoc.org> From: Ray Pelletier To: tools-development@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-230--427237692 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) X-Priority: 1 Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 13:54:47 -0500 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] AGENDA 15 Jan X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 18:54:54 -0000 --Apple-Mail-230--427237692 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All Here's the draft agenda for Friday's call. We can bash it at the beginning of the call if changes are desired. WebEx details below. Call is at 11:00 am EST Ray Draft Agenda 1. Bash the Agenda 2. Database Redesign 3. IDIQ RFP 4. WG & Author Front End Specs RFP 5. Secretariat Tools for Redesigned DB: Task Orders 6. Mission Critical Tools Xfer to Secretariat 7. RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher to AMS Transition Update 8. Conte Update 9. Anaheim Code Sprint 10. Other Business ++++++++++++ Ray Pelletier invites you to attend this online meeting. Topic: Tools Cmte Date: Friday, January 15, 2010 Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) Meeting Number: 969 933 936 Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.) ------------------------------------------------------- To join the online meeting (Now from iPhones too!) ------------------------------------------------------- 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=131341577&UID=0&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D 2. 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Here's = the draft agenda for Friday's call.  We can bash it at the = beginning of the call if changes are desired.  WebEx details = below.
Call is at 11:00 am = EST

Ray

Draft = Agenda

1. Bash the = Agenda

2.  Database = Redesign

3.  IDIQ = RFP

4.  WG & Author Front End Specs = RFP

5.  Secretariat Tools for Redesigned = DB: Task Orders

6.  Mission Critical Tools = Xfer to Secretariat

7.  RFC Production = Center and RFC Publisher to AMS Transition = Update

8.  Conte = Update

9.  Anaheim Code = Sprint

10.  Other = Business

++++++++++++

Ray Pelletier invites = you to attend this online meeting. 

Topic: Tools = Cmte 
Date: Friday, January 15, 2010 
Time: 11:00 am, = Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) 
Meeting Number: 969 = 933 936 
Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a = password.) 


----------------------------------------------= --------- 
To join the online meeting (Now from iPhones = too!) 
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1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D1313415= 77&UID=3D0&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D 
2. Enter your name and = email address. 
3. Enter the meeting password: (This meeting = does not require a password.) 
4. Click "Join = Now". 

To view in other time zones or languages, please = click the link: 
https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D1313415= 77&UID=3D0&ORT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D 

-------------------= ------------------------------------ 
To join the audio = conference = only 
------------------------------------------------------- = ;
To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access = code. 
Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): = 866-699-3239 
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): = 1-408-792-6300 
Global call-in numbers: https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?s= erviceType=3DMC&ED=3D131341577&tollFree=3D1 
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2.= On the left navigation bar, click "Support". 

You can = contact me at: 
rpelletier@isoc.org 
1-703= -652-9534 

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= --Apple-Mail-230--427237692-- From conte@isoc.org Fri Jan 15 09:50:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BCB43A686E for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:50:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X7ZUxQvxcrit for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp164.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp164.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.164]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B793A6964 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:50:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id ECDF9108D4 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by relay16.relay.dfw.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: conte-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id AB4FF103D8 for ; Fri, 15 Jan 2010 12:50:50 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Conte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:50:49 -0800 Message-Id: <9A15B75D-6AE6-44D4-9753-B64EB36F474B@isoc.org> To: tools-development@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1077) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1077) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Notes: 15 Jan 2010 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 17:50:58 -0000 Feel free to bash notes and apologies for any inaccurate statements: ----- Tools Call 15 Jan 2010 Attendees: Ray Pelletier Bob Hinden Magnus Westerlund Russ Housley Steve Conte Glen Barney Henrik Levkowetz Pasi Eronen Alexa Morris Robert (sorry, didn't catch last name) 1. Bash the Agenda No changes 2. Database Redesign Henrik: noted that authors submitted drafts with current submission tools -- more things wrong with it than initially thought -- people who have 5+ instances of their person data in DB -- merging data manual work and difficult task=20 HL has run latest author extraction tool on 60K drafts -- extracted authors (5 hours process time) -- merged author info with the rest of the draft data Hoping now that this is done, that there will be no more unknown = roadblocks=20 Is this last step in DB conversion? No. Still groups, draft comment history Is schema for DB stable? Yes. Very stable. Based on Djanjo 1.0, there will only be 2 inheritance = changes New DB and tables should be ready in next 2-3 weeks. RH understanding that the IESG PERL code convert into Django (part of = IDIQ) HL: ideal scenario: can change current model to use the new DB and = tables but writing new code will be much nicer if using new model. 3. IDIQ RFP Ray:=20 Round 1 , rcv'd 18ish responses higher than expected (good news) IAOC narrowed down to a smaller group shortlisted for round 2 R2 proposals are due 1 Feb 25 Feb IAOC has call hoping to select and authorize for final selectees 24 Mar Award contracts to selectees next project (april) WG Author Specs 4. WG & Author Front End Specs RFP Idea is to provide assistance to WG chairs and authors with document = tracking where they can use the datatracker track where they are in WG process (last calls, = revs, etc). Proto team (Henrik and Allison) wrote first draft but then was shelved. = Intent is to=20 revive spec and ensure that it's still inline. Between now and Mar IETF = a spec will be=20 built and then use IDIQ contract to get programmers to work on it. RFP is for spec development. Ray:=20 - Proposals due 18 Feb - IAOC could take action on 28 Feb for awarding a contract - Development concludes in april 5. Secretariat Tools for Redesigned DB: Task Orders Ray: recevied proposals from AMS on overall work for tools. =20 work provided to secretariat is done under secretariat contract relating to existing PERL/etc tools into Django expecting a task order in order to present to IAOC series of tasks expected (approx 13, could be coupled) 6. Mission Critical Tools Xfer to Secretariat idnit - Henrik and Glen working on this - Next week? 7. RFC Production Center and RFC Publisher to AMS Transition Update transition has been completed no significant problems volume complexity was smaller than anticipated though full rsync would = have been nice spam has been significantly reduced post-transition items: ssl cert, dnssec, server cloning and replication = (Fremont and Orlando) All happy with new AMS environment=20 8. Conte Update No Code Left Behind Project - Steve to speak to Glen 9. Anaheim Code Sprint Focus of sprint: too early to determine at this point=20 RjS -- Suggesting that we leave the sprint "open" for more personal = progress on=20 sprint topics HL to set up wiki SC to handle logisitics with Marcia 10. Other Business ---=20 New Submission Tool Beta Test: February - Any unanticipated updates? No but related to other work (author = extraction, etc) ---=20 New Document Page UI for IESG could be used for everyone's UI. HL spoke = about this at IESG and everyone seemed OK with it. Some tools scrape html from = pages that will break if html changes (which it will). Should send a pre-warning to = ietf-announce and if changes are not small then expect emails with comments GB - Isn't long term goal to eliminate screen scraping? Would this be a = good time to address that piece. RH - Yes, but would rather do it against new database. HL proposes to add a pop-up to notify users that there is a new-improved = interface and suggest to go there. -- Discussion about screen scraping Suggested that note to community with intention and ask that those who = screen scrape respond with their thoughts New URL should be advertised next week ----- Steve Conte conte@isoc.org From housley@vigilsec.com Sat Jan 16 14:52:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 106DA3A691A for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:52:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.559 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.559 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.040, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ye3axu9tdGZx for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB203A6784 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 14:52:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B35B3F24018 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:52:44 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yO5K-dRBZio7 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:52:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.254] (pool-173-66-67-45.washdc.fios.verizon.net [173.66.67.45]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1207F24001 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:52:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4B524331.4030900@vigilsec.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:52:33 -0500 From: Russ Housley User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.1.1) Gecko/20090902 Eudora/3.0b3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Upcoming Datatracker User Interface Changes X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 22:52:39 -0000 FYI -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Upcoming Datatracker User Interface Changes Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 09:28:52 -0800 (PST) From: IETF Chair To: IETF Announcement list CC: iaoc@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, iesg@ietf.org The Tools Team will be rolling out some major improvements to datatracker.ietf.org within the next 1-2 months. These improvements should make information about drafts and their status easier to find. The IESG has been testing this interface for some time already, and has found it a big improvement over the current one. However, scripts that do "screen-scraping" (parse information from the HTML pages) are likely to break. Instead of screen-scraping HTML, it would be better to provide the information in machine-readable form; some interfaces are already available, and adding more can be considered. If you want to know more, please join the tools-discuss list, and tell what information your scripts need. Note that this code is developed by volunteers, so bug reports and other comments should be sent to the tools-discuss@ietf.org list, not the IETF secretariat. If you have complaints you'd like to see addressed, or suggestions for improvements, please also consider volunteering to help: an IETF code sprint will be arranged in Anaheim, too. Instructions for joining the tools-discuss list can be found here: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss/ From paul.hoffman@vpnc.org Wed Jan 20 14:37:23 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF7A3A694F for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:37:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.007 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.007 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.039, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SUMyBQroW-lX for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:37:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from balder-227.proper.com (Balder-227.Proper.COM [192.245.12.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0BD3A6943 for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:37:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.20.30.158] (75-101-30-90.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net [75.101.30.90]) (authenticated bits=0) by balder-227.proper.com (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id o0KMbHdT082807 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:37:18 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:37:16 -0800 To: tools-development@ietf.org From: Paul Hoffman Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 06:19:50 -0800 Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] I-D submission should not require paginated text X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:37:23 -0000 Greetings again. If you submit an Internet Draft that is not paginated, the submission tool forces you to go to manual submission. This is just wrong, given that unpaginated drafts are perfectly legal. Why should those of us who want to save trees be penalized by manual submission? --Paul Hoffman, Director --VPN Consortium