From peter.musgrave@magorcorp.com Fri Oct 1 05:39:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F7263A6F0F; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 05:39:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.857 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.857 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.120, BAYES_00=-2.599, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tv6MidnvtFt5; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 05:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f179.google.com (mail-qy0-f179.google.com [209.85.216.179]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E863A6FE1; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 05:38:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so3783987qyk.10 for ; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 05:39:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.47.85 with SMTP id m21mr3705131qaf.270.1285936784922; Fri, 01 Oct 2010 05:39:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.68.39 with HTTP; Fri, 1 Oct 2010 05:39:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <058D772C-A8A6-4150-8005-D46377CBC538@nostrum.com> References: <058D772C-A8A6-4150-8005-D46377CBC538@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 08:39:44 -0400 Message-ID: From: Peter Musgrave To: Robert Sparks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 08:29:21 -0700 Cc: "tools-development@ietf.org Development" , codesprints@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [codesprints] Setting codesprint goals for IETF79 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2010 12:39:38 -0000 Hi Robert, w.r.t.: "* Add a new tab for IPR disclosures (probably showing how many there are in the tab title: e.g. "IPR disclosures (2)"). Are you asking for an IPR column in the WG page display of WG docs, individual drafts and RFCs? If so - I can take a swing at that in Beijing - since I was messing around there last time. Peter Musgrave On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Robert Sparks wrote= : > We have several things to accomplish during the upcoming codesprint. > > There are two new tools that should be ready for additional testing > and polish - the liaison management tool and the ID submissions tool. > > We have a growing list of small things to work on that would have > high impact for the people that have requested them. The full list is > at . > Here are a few examples that look addressable at the codesprint. (This > is not at all comprehensive:) > > =A0* Periodically email the list of addresses on any given tools alias (l= ike > =A0 =A0rai-ads@ or draft-foo-bar@) to that alias to improve the chances t= hat lists > =A0 =A0that are wrong get corrected. > > =A0* Add a new tab for IPR disclosures (probably showing how many there a= re in > =A0 =A0the tab title: e.g. "IPR disclosures (2)"). > > =A0* Make it possible for an IESG member to add a comment (for the docume= nt > =A0 =A0history) in the "change document state" dialog. > > =A0* Show the date of last change to the various writeups on the page dis= played > =A0 =A0on the IESG writeups tab. > > =A0* The Atom feed should include everything in the history tab, not just= the > =A0 =A0document_comments table. > > =A0* Allowing search by position: "any AD/AD name" has position > =A0 =A0"any/Yes/NoObj/Discuss/..." > > =A0* Show "has IPR disclosures" flag in search result list. > > There are a few medium sized projects out there that I think could be don= e > during the sprint, but would have a higher chance of success with a littl= e > bit of exploration/analysis before we get there. Please look through the = list > and see if there's something there that would solve a problem you are hav= ing. > > If you know of something that the sprinters should be working on, but don= 't see it > on the EnhancementIdeas list, please add it, or send me a quick note and = I'll make > sure it gets there. > > Remember that you can download a current snapshot of the database at any = time. > Now might be a good time to bring your local development environment back= into > action. If you're new to the sprint or haven't set up a local environment= before, > these links will help: > =A0 > =A0 > > If you're able to sprint, but haven't signed up yet, please do so now > at > > > _______________________________________________ > codesprints mailing list > codesprints@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codesprints > From rpelletier@isoc.org Tue Oct 5 10:35:21 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A1A3A6FE3 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:35:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.589, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17naJ3ZTmaqn for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp124.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp124.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.124]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B74A3A7070 for ; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 10:35:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay32.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay32.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0C2C11B40EF; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:36:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay32.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 285591B4029; Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ray Pelletier In-Reply-To: <08725083-DAB2-4A8F-ACFC-D8A070B88CE7@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:36:13 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <274C6F70-0BC8-4383-9B85-EB6134E7FB52@isoc.org> References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> <84374FE3-EFBD-48D3-A39C-E5665E9A236A@gmail.com> <4C879169.9000109@vigilsec.com> <08725083-DAB2-4A8F-ACFC-D8A070B88CE7@gmail.com> To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 17:35:21 -0000 All; Lars indicated he may have a travel conflict on the 3rd Wed in Oct = (20th) and in Dec (15th). Any other problems moving the Tools call to the 3rd week of the month? Ray On Sep 8, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > OK, thanks. >=20 > Bob >=20 >=20 > On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:36 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >=20 >> I would prefer to delay for one week. I cannot make the call today. >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >> On 9/8/2010 12:03 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >>> Is there a tools call tomorrow (Wednesday)? >>>=20 >>> Bob >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>=20 >>>> All; >>>>=20 >>>> Is there any objection to moving the monthly calls to the 3rd = Wednesday of the month beginning in September (15th)? >>>>=20 >>>> Ray >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> The 3rd Wednesday is much better. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Russ >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 9/7/2010 5:12 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>>>> Russ, >>>>>> There will always be conflict at some point for someone, but does = changing it to the 1st, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT >>>>>> work any better? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Ray >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the = remainder >>>>>>> of the year: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; >>>>>>> - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and >>>>>>> - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> We need a different plan. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Russ >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 From rpelletier@isoc.org Thu Oct 7 06:55:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A1F13A7116 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 06:55:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.008 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.008 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.591, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fo4p2itYBxf4 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 06:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp154.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.154]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162C93A6FEA for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 06:54:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 89D521B4127; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by relay15.relay.iad.mlsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 4FA051B440A; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ray Pelletier In-Reply-To: <274C6F70-0BC8-4383-9B85-EB6134E7FB52@isoc.org> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:56:00 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <192F4859-A89E-46FE-A4C9-97FD149D35A8@isoc.org> References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> <84374FE3-EFBD-48D3-A39C-E5665E9A236A@gmail.com> <4C879169.9000109@vigilsec.com> <08725083-DAB2-4A8F-ACFC-D8A070B88CE7@gmail.com> <274C6F70-0BC8-4383-9B85-EB6134E7FB52@isoc.org> To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:55:00 -0000 All; We will move the calls to the 3rd Wednesday of the month. Next calls: 20 Oct, 17 Nov, and 15 Dec. (I'll be flying myself on 17 = Nov). Ray On Oct 5, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > All; >=20 > Lars indicated he may have a travel conflict on the 3rd Wed in Oct = (20th) and in Dec (15th). >=20 > Any other problems moving the Tools call to the 3rd week of the month? >=20 > Ray >=20 > On Sep 8, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >=20 >> OK, thanks. >>=20 >> Bob >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:36 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>=20 >>> I would prefer to delay for one week. I cannot make the call today. >>>=20 >>> Russ >>>=20 >>> On 9/8/2010 12:03 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >>>> Is there a tools call tomorrow (Wednesday)? >>>>=20 >>>> Bob >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> All; >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is there any objection to moving the monthly calls to the 3rd = Wednesday of the month beginning in September (15th)? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Ray >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> The 3rd Wednesday is much better. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Russ >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On 9/7/2010 5:12 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>>>>> Russ, >>>>>>> There will always be conflict at some point for someone, but = does changing it to the 1st, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT >>>>>>> work any better? >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Ray >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the = remainder >>>>>>>> of the year: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; >>>>>>>> - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and >>>>>>>> - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> We need a different plan. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Russ >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>>>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From rjsparks@nostrum.com Thu Oct 7 07:41:38 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E8BE3A6F51 for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:41:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.539 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.539 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LTotCpek1+hZ for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2EAF3A6E6D for ; Thu, 7 Oct 2010 07:41:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (pool-173-71-48-4.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.71.48.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o97Egcqr010713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:42:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <192F4859-A89E-46FE-A4C9-97FD149D35A8@isoc.org> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 09:42:37 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4C86583B.1050502@vigilsec.com> <866E9B10-C47B-4BFB-A9C6-430317B35D5E@isoc.org> <4C86B88F.2010402@vigilsec.com> <167F08E6-5A85-4B03-8CD0-E397883E2468@isoc.org> <84374FE3-EFBD-48D3-A39C-E5665E9A236A@gmail.com> <4C879169.9000109@vigilsec.com> <08725083-DAB2-4A8F-ACFC-D8A070B88CE7@gmail.com> <274C6F70-0BC8-4383-9B85-EB6134E7FB52@isoc.org> <192F4859-A89E-46FE-A4C9-97FD149D35A8@isoc.org> To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] 2nd Wednesday of each month is not working for me X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:41:38 -0000 I can attend the 20Oct and 15Dec calls. 17Nov I will be in Taiwan at = SIPit. RjS On Oct 7, 2010, at 8:56 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > All; >=20 > We will move the calls to the 3rd Wednesday of the month. > Next calls: 20 Oct, 17 Nov, and 15 Dec. (I'll be flying myself on 17 = Nov). >=20 > Ray >=20 > On Oct 5, 2010, at 1:36 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >=20 >> All; >>=20 >> Lars indicated he may have a travel conflict on the 3rd Wed in Oct = (20th) and in Dec (15th). >>=20 >> Any other problems moving the Tools call to the 3rd week of the = month? >>=20 >> Ray >>=20 >> On Sep 8, 2010, at 10:28 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >>=20 >>> OK, thanks. >>>=20 >>> Bob >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Sep 8, 2010, at 6:36 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I would prefer to delay for one week. I cannot make the call = today. >>>>=20 >>>> Russ >>>>=20 >>>> On 9/8/2010 12:03 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >>>>> Is there a tools call tomorrow (Wednesday)? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Bob >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>>> All; >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Is there any objection to moving the monthly calls to the 3rd = Wednesday of the month beginning in September (15th)? >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Ray >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> The 3rd Wednesday is much better. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Russ >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On 9/7/2010 5:12 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>>>>>> Russ, >>>>>>>> There will always be conflict at some point for someone, but = does changing it to the 1st, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT >>>>>>>> work any better? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Ray >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> On Sep 7, 2010, at 11:20 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I have conflicts for the call tomorrow and every call for the = remainder >>>>>>>>> of the year: >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> - 13 Oct will conflict with OAM workshop; >>>>>>>>> - 10 Nov will conflict with Beijing; and >>>>>>>>> - 8 Dec will conflict with Privacy workshop. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> We need a different plan. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Russ >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>>>>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From rjsparks@nostrum.com Fri Oct 8 09:00:08 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A97333A689E; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 09:00:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.546 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.546 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.053, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wlOU6x9H0vn4; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 09:00:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3FBE3A686B; Fri, 8 Oct 2010 09:00:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (pool-173-71-48-4.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.71.48.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o98G153L036915 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:01:05 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:01:06 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8E94BFA3-0C9A-4028-A0F1-1E1B0A8C2DA3@nostrum.com> References: <058D772C-A8A6-4150-8005-D46377CBC538@nostrum.com> To: Peter Musgrave X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Cc: "tools-development@ietf.org Development" , codesprints@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [codesprints] Setting codesprint goals for IETF79 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2010 16:00:08 -0000 I don't think that's what the person originally suggesting that had in = mind, but it sounds like a good idea! My read of the suggestion below was to add a tab to the main document = view. There has been work done in the meantime that probably obviates the suggestion (at least the tab part) - = there is a link on the document's main page. It might be reasonable to include the # of disclosures in the text of = that link. RjS On Oct 1, 2010, at 7:39 AM, Peter Musgrave wrote: > Hi Robert, >=20 > w.r.t.: "* Add a new tab for IPR disclosures (probably showing how > many there are in > the tab title: e.g. "IPR disclosures (2)"). >=20 > Are you asking for an IPR column in the WG page display of WG docs, > individual drafts and RFCs? If so - I can take a swing at that in > Beijing - since I was messing around there last time. >=20 > Peter Musgrave >=20 > On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >> We have several things to accomplish during the upcoming codesprint. >>=20 >> There are two new tools that should be ready for additional testing >> and polish - the liaison management tool and the ID submissions tool. >>=20 >> We have a growing list of small things to work on that would have >> high impact for the people that have requested them. The full list is >> at . >> Here are a few examples that look addressable at the codesprint. = (This >> is not at all comprehensive:) >>=20 >> * Periodically email the list of addresses on any given tools alias = (like >> rai-ads@ or draft-foo-bar@) to that alias to improve the chances = that lists >> that are wrong get corrected. >>=20 >> * Add a new tab for IPR disclosures (probably showing how many there = are in >> the tab title: e.g. "IPR disclosures (2)"). >>=20 >> * Make it possible for an IESG member to add a comment (for the = document >> history) in the "change document state" dialog. >>=20 >> * Show the date of last change to the various writeups on the page = displayed >> on the IESG writeups tab. >>=20 >> * The Atom feed should include everything in the history tab, not = just the >> document_comments table. >>=20 >> * Allowing search by position: "any AD/AD name" has position >> "any/Yes/NoObj/Discuss/..." >>=20 >> * Show "has IPR disclosures" flag in search result list. >>=20 >> There are a few medium sized projects out there that I think could be = done >> during the sprint, but would have a higher chance of success with a = little >> bit of exploration/analysis before we get there. Please look through = the list >> and see if there's something there that would solve a problem you are = having. >>=20 >> If you know of something that the sprinters should be working on, but = don't see it >> on the EnhancementIdeas list, please add it, or send me a quick note = and I'll make >> sure it gets there. >>=20 >> Remember that you can download a current snapshot of the database at = any time. >> Now might be a good time to bring your local development environment = back into >> action. If you're new to the sprint or haven't set up a local = environment before, >> these links will help: >> >> >>=20 >> If you're able to sprint, but haven't signed up yet, please do so now >> at >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> codesprints mailing list >> codesprints@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codesprints >>=20 From rpelletier@isoc.org Tue Oct 19 13:24:37 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACD983A6970 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:24:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.324 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.324 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.123, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_FONT_SIZE_LARGE=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rexV5w0qHySC for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp194.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp194.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59CC43A695B for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:24:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp39.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A9C6498316 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:26:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp39.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 4D1DF98952 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:26:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ray Pelletier Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-193--24879610 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:26:05 -0400 Message-Id: To: tools-development@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Agenda X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:24:37 -0000 --Apple-Mail-193--24879610 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All Tools call is Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT. WebEX details below. Draft Agenda 0. Bash the Agenda 1. Beijing Code Sprint=20 2. Mission Critical Tools Move 3. NomCom Tools Support 4. IT Tools Development Overview 5. Asia Server Update 6. Other Ray Topic: Tools Cmte=20 Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2010=20 Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)=20 Meeting Number: 962 668 102=20 Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the online meeting (Now from the Apple iPhone (R) too!)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D148192162&UID=3D0&RT=3DMi= MxMQ%3D%3D=20 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.=20 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: (This meeting = does not require a password.)=20 4. 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Tools call is Wednesday at 11:00 AM EDT. =  WebEX details below.

Draft Agenda

0.  Bash the = Agenda
1.  Beijing Code Sprint 
2.  Mission Critical Tools = Move
3.  NomCom Tools Support
4.  IT Tools Development = Overview
5.  Asia Server Update
6. =  Other

Ray


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Date: Wednesday, = October 20, 2010 
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= --Apple-Mail-193--24879610-- From conte@isoc.org Wed Oct 20 08:48:56 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2A143A68B6 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:48:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.349 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.349 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.250, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W5sPmyaYIF7q for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp194.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp194.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.194]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EA253A68D5 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:48:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp49.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9D3DF1A8096 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:50:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp49.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: conte-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 7D9011A8044 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 11:50:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Conte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:50:26 -0700 Message-Id: <5F202C8D-5181-48CF-8EBB-C0866EC21F82@isoc.org> To: tools-development@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call: 20 Oct 2010 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:48:56 -0000 Here is the notes for today's call. Please note that my Internet was = shaky and I couldn't dial back to the phone I was sitting next to, so = some of the conversation was garbled. Please take extra care to review = these notes and correct anything that I may have misrepresented or = missed entirely. Thanks, Steve ----- IETF Tools Team Call - 20 Oct 2010 Attendees: Ray Pelletier Bob Hinden Julian Reschke Steve Conte Robert Sparks Henrik Levkowetz Russ Housley Alexa Morris Glen Barney 0. Bash the Agenda 1. Beijing Code Sprint=20 SC: will work with Marcia to ensure that there will be wired connections = in the=20 codesprint room. Also to reconfirm the room RH: Will someone be willing to add search button to tracker so if logged = in as AD you=20 get search of 3 lists, and if not, then you get 2 lists (no iesg). Glen = completed the backend work. To help ensure that last calls will not be missed by = people RjS: adding to list RH: Assuming that search will be prioritized, Glen; has the AD accounts = been set up so it'll work as soon as the search button appears. GB: Yes, it appears that they have and can easily reset passwords if = needed RjS: expect to be able to test liasion tool and idsubmission. Will = these tools be ready for testing in codesprint? RH: we think it will be ready but HL has work to do (for idsubmission) RjS: liasion tool? RH: was almost finished but items were found during first alpha test = that would be nice. Should be finished before sprint. RjS: so testing @ sprint should take place 2. Mission Critical Tools Move rfcdiff:=20 RH: architectural question; rfcdiff is using the tools archive of = internet drafts if you want to look at an expired or replaced draft and compare it. = Historically, they've not been avail on ietf.org (only tools), but must be avail for rfcdiff = to work correctly. The question is do we want to keep them where they are or move them to = production site (big policy change). Requests advice so RH can take policy question to = iesg HL: was hoping that they'd be someday 'officially' available. =20 (room): There's many versions of the archives available across the = internet Suggest we make one version official and move it to production. HL: AMS version may not be complete and suggest a tool to create a full = version of archives RH: Glen, how hard would it be to find out how many drafts are missing = from AMS archive GB: Unsure at this moment, but will find out RjS: may be worthwhile to do a diff -r on both repositories to see if = any files with same filenames have different diffs in them RH: need a server that'll hold both, Anyone? GB: AMS should have enough space for this. HL to provide directory to = copy idnits: HL isn't sure that the new idnits has been announced yet and suggests = that it be announced. GB: some infrastructure changes need to be made to correct the tools = pointers to the new tools xml2rfc: RH: long thread discussing this. wanted to make some changes to support = boilerplate that rfc ed needs. is pagination important? hoping to find 2 things: 1- who will make changes to current TCL code to support boiler 2- which approach to take going forward for contract help JR: only person who can do it is Tony, and may be able to do it during = sprint. Doesn't think change is complicated but requires TCL knowledge.=20 3. NomCom Tools Support HL: moved files, however there are a number of additional things needing = to be done. (garbled, cannot discern details) RH: would like to see this nomcom not disrupted but moved for the next = nomcom and do=20 all prep work to ensure it happens. 4. IT Tools Development Overview RP: (showing page w/ 24 items) 3 items highlighted in yellow are work that's awaiting work 11 bold items in work - almost $200k of work 7 projects completed This is what is expected to be accomplished or in work in Y2010 Russ asks to review Paul's drafts: draft-ietf-genarea* IAOC approved budget going to ISOC board for approval 5. Asia Server Update HL: server up and running, items installed and could do complete install = but have=20 delayed to encourage [?person?] to do it. He's looked at the server and = will do a complete=20 install and fix the items. Server should be up fairly soon. 6. Other Henrik to order a new server, haven't decided yet. ----- Steve Conte conte@isoc.org From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Oct 20 08:50:36 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 018323A68D5 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:50:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.585 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.585 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DYfoiKbBWVyz for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 725A13A696D for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 08:50:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:54050 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P8axD-0007a9-Br; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:51:53 +0200 Message-ID: <4CBF1016.2030300@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:51:50 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Pelletier References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rpelletier@isoc.org, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Agenda X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 15:50:36 -0000 Regarding this agenda item: On 2010-10-19 22:26 Ray Pelletier said: > 2. Mission Critical Tools Move and the discussion on I-D archives: I've checked the numbers, and while there's about 63015 text files which starts with draft- in the tools repository, the equivalent count for the archive on www.ietf.org is only 41578. In other words, there seems to be quite a number of drafts missing from the official archive. Best, Henrik From lars.eggert@nokia.com Wed Oct 20 14:56:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EBD3A6956 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:56:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.135 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.135 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.536, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JUmNOTYNT0F3 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-sa02.nokia.com (mgw-sa02.ext.nokia.com [147.243.1.48]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B5123A6916 for ; Wed, 20 Oct 2010 14:56:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa02.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id o9KLwQfi025473 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:58:27 +0300 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.3 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-17-67054469; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <5F202C8D-5181-48CF-8EBB-C0866EC21F82@isoc.org> Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 23:58:19 +0200 Message-Id: References: <5F202C8D-5181-48CF-8EBB-C0866EC21F82@isoc.org> To: Steve Conte X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:58:20 +0300 (EEST) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: "tools-development@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call: 20 Oct 2010 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:56:55 -0000 --Apple-Mail-17-67054469 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I was dialed in and on Webex as well. On 2010-10-20, at 17:50, Steve Conte wrote: > Attendees: > > Ray Pelletier > Bob Hinden > Julian Reschke > Steve Conte > Robert Sparks > Henrik Levkowetz > Russ Housley > Alexa Morris > Glen Barney --Apple-Mail-17-67054469 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=smime.p7s Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name=smime.p7s Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIMRjCCBVAw ggQ4oAMCAQICEGxdPUZzCwUJ8KBiJwH+bYgwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgd0xCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVT MRcwFQYDVQQKEw5WZXJpU2lnbiwgSW5jLjEfMB0GA1UECxMWVmVyaVNpZ24gVHJ1c3QgTmV0d29y azE7MDkGA1UECxMyVGVybXMgb2YgdXNlIGF0IGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnZlcmlzaWduLmNvbS9ycGEg KGMpMDkxHjAcBgNVBAsTFVBlcnNvbmEgTm90IFZhbGlkYXRlZDE3MDUGA1UEAxMuVmVyaVNpZ24g Q2xhc3MgMSBJbmRpdmlkdWFsIFN1YnNjcmliZXIgQ0EgLSBHMzAeFw0xMDEwMTUwMDAwMDBaFw0x MTEwMTUyMzU5NTlaMIIBEzEXMBUGA1UEChMOVmVyaVNpZ24sIEluYy4xHzAdBgNVBAsTFlZlcmlT aWduIFRydXN0IE5ldHdvcmsxRjBEBgNVBAsTPXd3dy52ZXJpc2lnbi5jb20vcmVwb3NpdG9yeS9S 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21 Oct 2010 02:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31:214:22ff:fe21:bb]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B80E43A689F for ; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 02:51:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:58203 helo=dyn-fg124.sth.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1P8rpc-0005To-6O; Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:53:08 +0200 Message-ID: <4CC00D83.4050206@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:53:07 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-US; rv:1.9.2.11) Gecko/20101013 Thunderbird/3.1.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Glen X-Enigmail-Version: 1.1.1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: glen@amsl.com, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 22 Mar 2010 06:51:10 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Copies of tools draft repository now on www.ietf.org X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 09:51:47 -0000 Hi Glen, I've rsynced the content of the tools I-D repository to www.ietf.org, it's now available at /a/www/www6s/tools-id-archive/ (next to the regular draft-archive). Regular rsyncs will be needed to keep it up-to-date. I would love to suggest that you could keep it up-to-date by rsyncing from the official archive, but that contains tombstone files which will cause no end of trouble if you introduce them in the repository which the idnits and rfcdiff tools uses. (They cause no end of troubles elsewhere by their presence in the official repository, but that's a different peeve.) For now, till we can fix that particular mess, you can continue to rsync from tools with what I used most recently: sudo -u wwwrun rsync -avz rsync.tools.ietf.org::tools.id/ /a/www/www6s/tool-id-archive/ Best, Henrik From lars.eggert@nokia.com Fri Oct 29 02:42:00 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BC63A6840; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:42:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.09 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.09 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.491, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JyTiSeT1+8Ni; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:42:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-sa01.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [147.243.1.47]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEB703A683A; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 02:41:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa01.nokia.com (Switch-3.4.3/Switch-3.4.3) with ESMTP id o9T9ho6x008763 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:43:50 +0300 X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.4 at fit.nokia.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-17-800573306; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Lars Eggert In-Reply-To: <072f01cb774c$af7659e0$0e630da0$@huawei.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:43:38 +0300 Message-Id: <688EC1D4-6F06-4286-AB17-3FDB6258EE3C@nokia.com> References: <072f01cb774c$af7659e0$0e630da0$@huawei.com> To: "Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.6 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:43:44 +0300 (EEST) X-Nokia-AV: Clean Cc: The IESG , "tools-development@ietf.org Development" Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Does anyone else find it hard tracking Discuss discussions? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:42:01 -0000 --Apple-Mail-17-800573306 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On 2010-10-29, at 12:35, Adrian Farrel wrote: > I try to encourage authors to edit the subject line so that it reads = (e.g.) > "Adrian's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-foo-bar" but even when encouraged they = forget, > and most people don't receive the encouragement. CC'ing the tools team. It should be super easy to make the datatracker = generate personalized subject lines. (And I agree that that would be = very nice.) 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"tools-development@ietf.org Development" , "Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com" , The IESG Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Does anyone else find it hard tracking Discuss discussions? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:27:32 -0000 Lars, Adrian, >> I try to encourage authors to edit the subject line so that it reads (e.g.) >> "Adrian's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-foo-bar" but even when encouraged they forget, >> and most people don't receive the encouragement. >> > > > CC'ing the tools team. It should be super easy to make the datatracker generate personalized subject lines. (And I agree that that would be very nice.) > +1 (So far I have been relying on there being enough diversity that some people file a DISCUSS and COMMENT, others a DISCUSS, and yet others a COMMENT. But it only goes so far.) jari From william.polk@nist.gov Fri Oct 29 06:57:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 696B33A6A6C; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 06:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.144 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.144 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.344, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_RAND_LETTRS4=0.799] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bQiS8xr8iGr3; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 06:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.nist.gov (rimp2.nist.gov [129.6.16.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3C143A6A6B; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 06:57:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WSXGHUB2.xchange.nist.gov (WSXGHUB2.xchange.nist.gov [129.6.18.19]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o9TDxYUS020940; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:59:34 -0400 Received: from MBCLUSTER.xchange.nist.gov ([fe80::d479:3188:aec0:cb66]) by WSXGHUB2.xchange.nist.gov ([129.6.18.19]) with mapi; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:59:18 -0400 From: "Polk, William T." To: The IESG , "tools-development@ietf.org" Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:59:32 -0400 Thread-Topic: Agenda problems with IRTF stream documents Thread-Index: Act3cYLRbL5QNXYHqUOHcNKgS4ixxQ== Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: william.polk@nist.gov X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:19:37 -0700 Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Agenda problems with IRTF stream documents X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:57:55 -0000 We have recently had a number of cases where an IRTF stream document ended up on the wrong part of the agenda. After the document was reviewed by an AD, they issued a ballot but the document ended up on the agenda as an ietf stream document. Two recent examples were draft-katagi-clefia and draft-irtf-rrg-recommendation, which appeared on the telechat agenda under section 3.2.2 (Individual Submission Via AD, Returning Items) instead of 3.3.1. We were not ready to make a recommendation regarding draft-irtf-rrg-recommendation, so it was moved to the Nov 18 agenda. Once again, this draft appears in section 3.2.2; it really should be in 3.3.2 (Independent Submissions, Returning items). I am guessing this is a tools bug, although it could be driver error. I can=B9t figure out where I went wrong with the clefia draft, though. (The = rrg doc isn=B9t mine... Can't say anything about that one.) Could we add this to list of issues to be addressed? This is a minor issue= , since we can fix it with an email to the secretariat, but it does have greater impact since most directorates use the telechat agenda as one facto= r in assigning reviews. Since the security directorate (and I presume all other directorates) do not review irtf and independent stream submissions this does consume precious engineering cycles needlessly. Thanks, Tim Polk From william.polk@nist.gov Fri Oct 29 07:16:41 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ACE63A6946; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:16:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.238 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.238 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.240, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id npLKD3lZ09HT; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:16:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.nist.gov (rimp2.nist.gov [129.6.16.227]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 053213A67E3; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from WSXGHUB2.xchange.nist.gov (WSXGHUB2.xchange.nist.gov [129.6.18.19]) by smtp.nist.gov (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o9TEI8Yv030615; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:18:08 -0400 Received: from MBCLUSTER.xchange.nist.gov ([fe80::d479:3188:aec0:cb66]) by WSXGHUB2.xchange.nist.gov ([129.6.18.19]) with mapi; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:17:52 -0400 From: "Polk, William T." To: Jari Arkko , Eggert Lars Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:18:06 -0400 Thread-Topic: Does anyone else find it hard tracking Discuss discussions? Thread-Index: Act3VDHCID0gFAN1TPaqOWqcDN8bIQAH+kP/ Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4CCAA202.8040901@piuha.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C8F04FDE1F538wpolknistgov_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-NIST-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-NIST-MailScanner-From: william.polk@nist.gov X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:19:37 -0700 Cc: The IESG , "tools-development@ietf.org" , Adrian Farrel Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Does anyone else find it hard tracking Discuss discussions? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:16:41 -0000 --_000_C8F04FDE1F538wpolknistgov_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yep. Personalizing the subject line would be awesome. On 10/29/10 6:29 AM, "Jari Arkko" wrote: Lars, Adrian, >> I try to encourage authors to edit the subject line so that it reads (e.= g.) >> "Adrian's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-foo-bar" but even when encouraged they f= orget, >> and most people don't receive the encouragement. >> > > > CC'ing the tools team. It should be super easy to make the datatracker ge= nerate personalized subject lines. (And I agree that that would be very nic= e.) > +1 (So far I have been relying on there being enough diversity that some people file a DISCUSS and COMMENT, others a DISCUSS, and yet others a COMMENT. But it only goes so far.) jari --_000_C8F04FDE1F538wpolknistgov_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Re: Does anyone else find it hard tracking Discuss discussions?</TIT= LE> </HEAD> <BODY> <FONT FACE=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:= 11pt'>Yep.  Personalizing the subject line would be awesome.<BR> <BR> <BR> On 10/29/10 6:29 AM, "Jari Arkko" <<a href=3D"jari.arkko@piuha= .net">jari.arkko@piuha.net</a>> wrote:<BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT><BLOCKQUOTE><FONT FACE=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"= ><SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Lars, Adrian,<BR> <BR> >> I try to encourage authors to edit the subject line so that it rea= ds (e.g.)<BR> >> "Adrian's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-foo-bar" but even when e= ncouraged they forget,<BR> >> and most people don't receive the encouragement.<BR> >>    <BR> ><BR> ><BR> > CC'ing the tools team. It should be super easy to make the datatracker= generate personalized subject lines. (And I agree that that would be very = nice.)<BR> >  <BR> <BR> +1<BR> <BR> (So far I have been relying on there being enough diversity that some<BR> people file a DISCUSS and COMMENT, others a DISCUSS, and yet others a<BR> COMMENT. But it only goes so far.)<BR> <BR> jari<BR> <BR> <BR> </SPAN></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE> </BODY> </HTML> --_000_C8F04FDE1F538wpolknistgov_-- From rjsparks@nostrum.com Fri Oct 29 07:54:47 2010 Return-Path: <rjsparks@nostrum.com> X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324273A6A46; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:54:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.273 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.273 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.274, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xneSqLZoNU0N; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3303A6944; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 07:54:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (pool-173-71-48-4.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.71.48.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9TEuMM5003886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:56:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-10-819337567 From: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <C8F04FDE.1F538%wpolk@nist.gov> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 09:56:22 -0500 Message-Id: <43E157B3-2E40-42BD-93B6-83017977120B@nostrum.com> References: <C8F04FDE.1F538%wpolk@nist.gov> To: "Polk, William T." <william.polk@nist.gov> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 173.71.48.4 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: Adrian Farrel <Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com>, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, "tools-development@ietf.org" <tools-development@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Does anyone else find it hard tracking Discuss discussions? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server <tools-development.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tools-development> List-Post: <mailto:tools-development@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 14:54:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail-10-819337567 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Adding this to the sprint list as ticket #530 This is related to what I sent out earlier about the ->contents<- of the = email that gets sent out as well (copied at the end for convenience). One question on the subject line. In the past people have been concerned = about having the "important" information of the subject appear as early as possible, citing convenience in spotting it in pop-up = notifications like growl provides, or making it easy to see on phone email readers. Is this still important? I note that we will = eventually have an IESG with two people with the same first name, so full names on the subject will have to happen.=20 Would you rather see 1) Adrian Farrel's DISCUSS and COMMENT on = draft-ietf-rediculously-long-name-99 2) draft-ietf-rediculously-long-name DISCUSS/COMMENT: Adrian Farrel 3) DISCUSS/COMMENT draft-ietf-rediculously-long-name-99 Adrian Farrel or some other permutation? I have a mild leaning for 3) RjS On Oct 29, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Polk, William T. wrote: > Yep. Personalizing the subject line would be awesome. >=20 >=20 > On 10/29/10 6:29 AM, "Jari Arkko" <jari.arkko@piuha.net> wrote: >=20 > Lars, Adrian, >=20 > >> I try to encourage authors to edit the subject line so that it = reads (e.g.) > >> "Adrian's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-foo-bar" but even when encouraged = they forget, > >> and most people don't receive the encouragement. > >> =20 > > > > > > CC'ing the tools team. It should be super easy to make the = datatracker generate personalized subject lines. (And I agree that that = would be very nice.) > > =20 >=20 > +1 >=20 > (So far I have been relying on there being enough diversity that some > people file a DISCUSS and COMMENT, others a DISCUSS, and yet others a > COMMENT. But it only goes so far.) >=20 > jari >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development ...... > IESG - >=20 > I remember an earlier conversation asking if we could add information = about the document being commented on > and the ADs position at the time of the message to the _body_ of the = text that generated for email. I recall the reaction > being positive, and am planning to make that change during the = codesprint, but wanted to check again that everyone > thinks this is acceptable. >=20 > The change would make what currently looks like this: >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 >> From: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> >> Date: September 29, 2010 10:50:58 AM CDT >> To: iesg@ietf.org >> Cc: fecframe-chairs@tools.ietf.org, = draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: COMMENT: <draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements-09.txt> >>=20 >> Comment: >> Section 3.3 copies text from -framework. Would a pointer be = sufficient? It would >> certainly be easier to maintain should these documents ever be = revised. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > look something like this:=20 >=20 >> From: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> >> Date: (the real date would go here, deleting for now since this was = not actually sent) >> To: iesg@ietf.org >> Cc: fecframe-chairs@tools.ietf.org, = draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements@tools.ietf.org >> Subject: COMMENT: <draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements-09.txt> >>=20 >> Document: <draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements-09.txt> >> From: Robert Sparks (current position: No Objection) >>=20 >> Comment: >> Section 3.3 copies text from -framework. Would a pointer be = sufficient? It would >> certainly be easier to maintain should these documents ever be = revised. >=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 > Thoughts? >=20 > RjS --Apple-Mail-10-819337567 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = ">Adding this to the sprint list as ticket #530<div><br><div>This is = related to what I sent out earlier about the ->contents<- of the = email that gets sent out as well (copied at the end for = convenience).</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>One question on = the subject line. In the past people have been concerned about having = the "important" information of the subject</div><div>appear as early as = possible, citing convenience in spotting it in pop-up notifications like = growl provides, or making it easy to see</div><div>on phone email = readers. Is this still important? I note that we will eventually have an = IESG with two people with the same first name,</div><div>so full names = on the subject will have to happen. </div><div><br></div><div>Would = you rather see</div><div><br></div><div>1) Adrian Farrel's DISCUSS and = COMMENT on draft-ietf-rediculously-long-name-99</div><div>2) = draft-ietf-rediculously-long-name DISCUSS/COMMENT: Adrian = Farrel</div><div>3) DISCUSS/COMMENT draft-ietf-rediculously-long-name-99 = Adrian Farrel</div><div><br></div><div>or some other = permutation?</div><div><br></div><div>I have a mild leaning for = 3)</div><div><br></div><div>RjS</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On = Oct 29, 2010, at 9:18 AM, Polk, William T. wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div> <font face=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span = style=3D"font-size:11pt">Yep.  Personalizing the subject line would = be awesome.<br> <br> <br> On 10/29/10 6:29 AM, "Jari Arkko" <<a = href=3D"x-msg://191/jari.arkko@piuha.net">jari.arkko@piuha.net</a>> = wrote:<br> <br> </span></font><blockquote><font face=3D"Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, = Arial"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt">Lars, Adrian,<br> <br> >> I try to encourage authors to edit the subject line so that it = reads (e.g.)<br> >> "Adrian's DISCUSS on draft-ietf-foo-bar" but even when = encouraged they forget,<br> >> and most people don't receive the encouragement.<br> >>    <br> ><br> ><br> > CC'ing the tools team. It should be super easy to make the = datatracker generate personalized subject lines. (And I agree that that = would be very nice.)<br> >  <br> <br> +1<br> <br> (So far I have been relying on there being enough diversity that = some<br> people file a DISCUSS and COMMENT, others a DISCUSS, and yet others = a<br> COMMENT. But it only goes so far.)<br> <br> jari<br> <br> <br> </span></font></blockquote> </div> _______________________________________________<br>TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT = mailing list<br><a = href=3D"mailto:TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org">TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org</a><= br>https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development<br></blockquote= ><div><br></div>......<br><br></div><div><blockquote type=3D"cite">IESG = -<div><br></div><div>I remember an earlier conversation asking if we = could add information about the document being commented = on</div><div>and the ADs position at the time of the message to the = _body_ of the text that generated for email. I recall the = reaction</div><div>being positive, and am planning to make that change = during the codesprint, but wanted to check again that = everyone</div><div>thinks this is = acceptable.</div><div><br></div><div>The change would make what = currently looks like this:<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded = message:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = "><b>From: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: medium; ">Robert Sparks <<a = href=3D"mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com">rjsparks@nostrum.com</a>><br></spa= n></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: medium; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><b>Date: </b></span><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">September 29, 2010 = 10:50:58 AM CDT<br></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; = margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = "><b>To: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: medium; "><a = href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org</a><br></span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = medium; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><b>Cc: </b></span><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a = href=3D"mailto:fecframe-chairs@tools.ietf.org">fecframe-chairs@tools.ietf.= org</a>, <a = href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf= -fecframe-sdp-elements@tools.ietf.org</a><br></span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = medium; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><b>Subject: </b></span><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>COMMENT: = <draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements-09.txt></b><br></span></div><br><d= iv>Comment:<br>Section 3.3 copies text from -framework. Would a pointer = be sufficient? It would<br>certainly be easier to maintain should these = documents ever be = revised.<br><br><br><br><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div><div>look = something like this: </div><div><br></div><div><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = "><b>From: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: medium; ">Robert Sparks <<a = href=3D"mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com">rjsparks@nostrum.com</a>><br></spa= n></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: = 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: medium; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><b>Date: </b></span><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; ">(the real date = would go here, deleting for now since this was not actually = sent)<br></span></div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; = margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-family: = Helvetica; font-size: medium; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); = "><b>To: </b></span><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; = font-size: medium; "><a = href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org</a><br></span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = medium; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><b>Cc: </b></span><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><a = href=3D"mailto:fecframe-chairs@tools.ietf.org">fecframe-chairs@tools.ietf.= org</a>, <a = href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements@tools.ietf.org">draft-ietf= -fecframe-sdp-elements@tools.ietf.org</a><br></span></div><div = style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; = margin-left: 0px; "><span style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: = medium; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><b>Subject: </b></span><span = style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>COMMENT: = <draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements-09.txt></b><br></span></div><br></= blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div>Document: = <draft-ietf-fecframe-sdp-elements-09.txt></div><div>From: Robert = Sparks (current position: No = Objection)</div><div><br></div><div><blockquote = type=3D"cite"></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div>Comment:<br>Section 3.3 copies text from -framework. = Would a pointer be sufficient? It would<br>certainly be easier to = maintain should these documents ever be = revised.<br></div></blockquote></div><div><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div><br><br><br></div></blockquote><br></div><div>Thoughts?= </div><div><br></div><div>RjS</div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></bo= dy></html>= --Apple-Mail-10-819337567-- From jari.arkko@piuha.net Fri Oct 29 08:23:37 2010 Return-Path: <jari.arkko@piuha.net> X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275763A68CE; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:23:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.457 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.457 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UMWzQVlhmRC3; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF6F3A67AC; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 08:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58EFA2CC3C; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:25:28 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TxAutDdHXDDB; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:25:27 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BB552CC32; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:25:27 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4CCAE766.2060603@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:25:26 +0300 From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20101027) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> References: <C8F04FDE.1F538%wpolk@nist.gov> <43E157B3-2E40-42BD-93B6-83017977120B@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <43E157B3-2E40-42BD-93B6-83017977120B@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: "tools-development@ietf.org" <tools-development@ietf.org>, "Polk, William T." <william.polk@nist.gov>, Adrian Farrel <Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Does anyone else find it hard tracking Discuss discussions? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server <tools-development.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tools-development> List-Post: <mailto:tools-development@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 15:23:37 -0000 3 or 3b: "DISCUSS: draft-foo (Jari)" From rjsparks@nostrum.com Fri Oct 29 10:11:50 2010 Return-Path: <rjsparks@nostrum.com> X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1273A67FC; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:11:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.566 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.566 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 73q+tq4kmVzJ; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:11:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E9A3A67AD; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 10:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (pool-173-71-48-4.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.71.48.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9THDdtu015464 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:13:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-23-827574017 From: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <5BDDE902-6C0D-484E-B90C-80D3F8C58B26@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 12:13:39 -0500 Message-Id: <CBE59258-A904-4249-8721-04337AE61F53@nostrum.com> References: <C8F04FDE.1F538%wpolk@nist.gov> <43E157B3-2E40-42BD-93B6-83017977120B@nostrum.com> <4CCAE766.2060603@piuha.net> <5BDDE902-6C0D-484E-B90C-80D3F8C58B26@gmail.com> To: Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 173.71.48.4 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net>, "Polk, William T." <william.polk@nist.gov>, tools-development@ietf.org, Adrian Farrel <Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com> Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Does anyone else find it hard tracking Discuss discussions? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server <tools-development.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tools-development> List-Post: <mailto:tools-development@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 17:11:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail-23-827574017 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To make sure I understand, does this match 3b? DISCUSS/COMMENT: <draft-ietf-geopriv-held-identity-extensions-05.txt> = (Lars Eggert) RjS On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: > +1 to 3b >=20 > - Ralph >=20 > On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:25 AM 10/29/10, Jari Arkko wrote: >=20 >> 3 >>=20 >> or 3b: "DISCUSS: draft-foo (Jari)" >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-23-827574017 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">To make sure I understand, does this match 3b?<div><br></div><div><p style="margin: 0.0px 0.0px 1.0px 56.0px; text-indent: -56.0px; font: 12.0px Helvetica"><b>DISCUSS/COMMENT: <draft-ietf-geopriv-held-identity-extensions-05.txt> (Lars Eggert)</b></p><div><br></div><div>RjS</div><div><br></div><div><div>On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Ralph Droms wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>+1 to 3b<br><br>- Ralph<br><br>On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:25 AM 10/29/10, Jari Arkko wrote:<br><br><blockquote type="cite">3<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">or 3b: "DISCUSS: draft-foo (Jari)"<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></body></html> --Apple-Mail-23-827574017-- From jari.arkko@piuha.net Fri Oct 29 11:17:27 2010 Return-Path: <jari.arkko@piuha.net> X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C1E63A6A0A; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:17:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.457 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.457 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.142, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BMLE-H-Mtj24; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B6363A6A03; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0382CC3C; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:19:20 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SHV1pkfjXmVq; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:19:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC492CC32; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:19:19 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4CCB1027.8030606@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:19:19 +0300 From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20101027) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> References: <C8F04FDE.1F538%wpolk@nist.gov> <43E157B3-2E40-42BD-93B6-83017977120B@nostrum.com> <4CCAE766.2060603@piuha.net> <5BDDE902-6C0D-484E-B90C-80D3F8C58B26@gmail.com> <CBE59258-A904-4249-8721-04337AE61F53@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <CBE59258-A904-4249-8721-04337AE61F53@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, Adrian Farrel <Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com>, "Polk, William T." <william.polk@nist.gov>, Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>, tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Does anyone else find it hard tracking Discuss discussions? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server <tools-development.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tools-development> List-Post: <mailto:tools-development@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:17:27 -0000 Robert Sparks kirjoitti: > To make sure I understand, does this match 3b? > > *DISCUSS/COMMENT: <draft-ietf-geopriv-held-identity-extensions-05.txt> > (Lars Eggert)* > No, because I was suggesting the use of first name. I realize that it may not be unique in all cases. But I also like relatively short subject liunes. Jari > > RjS > > On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: > >> +1 to 3b >> >> - Ralph >> >> On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:25 AM 10/29/10, Jari Arkko wrote: >> >>> 3 >>> >>> or 3b: "DISCUSS: draft-foo (Jari)" >>> >> > From rjsparks@nostrum.com Fri Oct 29 11:34:42 2010 Return-Path: <rjsparks@nostrum.com> X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB5D3A6A67; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:34:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.567 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.567 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 67ECunpZ8y8A; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:34:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 209633A6A5C; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.105] (pool-173-71-48-4.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.71.48.4]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o9TIaUno022710 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:36:30 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <4CCB1027.8030606@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 13:36:30 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <D67FB76D-E6AE-4D41-A0FD-9B96C5E56B09@nostrum.com> References: <C8F04FDE.1F538%wpolk@nist.gov> <43E157B3-2E40-42BD-93B6-83017977120B@nostrum.com> <4CCAE766.2060603@piuha.net> <5BDDE902-6C0D-484E-B90C-80D3F8C58B26@gmail.com> <CBE59258-A904-4249-8721-04337AE61F53@nostrum.com> <4CCB1027.8030606@piuha.net> To: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 173.71.48.4 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, Adrian Farrel <Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com>, "Polk, William T." <william.polk@nist.gov>, Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>, tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Does anyone else find it hard tracking Discuss discussions? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server <tools-development.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tools-development> List-Post: <mailto:tools-development@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:34:43 -0000 We could use just first names (assuming the tracker makes this easy) for = now and leave breadcrumbs for someone to change it later if we have a name collision. What about the version number - for my purposes, that is pretty = important. I would be willing to remove the .txt. RjS On Oct 29, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > Robert Sparks kirjoitti: >> To make sure I understand, does this match 3b? >>=20 >> *DISCUSS/COMMENT: = <draft-ietf-geopriv-held-identity-extensions-05.txt> (Lars Eggert)* >>=20 >=20 > No, because I was suggesting the use of first name. I realize that it = may not be unique in all cases. But I also like relatively short subject = liunes. >=20 > Jari >=20 >>=20 >> RjS >>=20 >> On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: >>=20 >>> +1 to 3b >>>=20 >>> - Ralph >>>=20 >>> On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:25 AM 10/29/10, Jari Arkko wrote: >>>=20 >>>> 3 >>>>=20 >>>> or 3b: "DISCUSS: draft-foo (Jari)" >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From jari.arkko@piuha.net Fri Oct 29 11:58:57 2010 Return-Path: <jari.arkko@piuha.net> X-Original-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAFF13A6A9A; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:58:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.458 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.458 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.141, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PERUlLC483tX; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:58:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B864F3A6888; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 11:58:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAF72CC3C; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:00:50 +0300 (EEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AHkT1saxAvgT; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:00:49 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [IPv6:2001:14b8:400::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CA12CC32; Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:00:48 +0300 (EEST) Message-ID: <4CCB19DF.50503@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 22:00:47 +0300 From: Jari Arkko <jari.arkko@piuha.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20101027) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> References: <C8F04FDE.1F538%wpolk@nist.gov> <43E157B3-2E40-42BD-93B6-83017977120B@nostrum.com> <4CCAE766.2060603@piuha.net> <5BDDE902-6C0D-484E-B90C-80D3F8C58B26@gmail.com> <CBE59258-A904-4249-8721-04337AE61F53@nostrum.com> <4CCB1027.8030606@piuha.net> <D67FB76D-E6AE-4D41-A0FD-9B96C5E56B09@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <D67FB76D-E6AE-4D41-A0FD-9B96C5E56B09@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>, Adrian Farrel <Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com>, "Polk, William T." <william.polk@nist.gov>, Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>, tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Does anyone else find it hard tracking Discuss discussions? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server <tools-development.ietf.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/tools-development> List-Post: <mailto:tools-development@ietf.org> List-Help: <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development>, <mailto:tools-development-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 18:58:57 -0000 I'm not sure I understand why you need the version number, but for sure your process needs it for something. Anyway, I'm grepping for the draft name without the version number, because that lets me find the right mails regardless of any intervening draft updates (that might affect this or some other discuss). I'd prefer not to have extra characters like "<>", or the ".txt". Jari Robert Sparks kirjoitti: > We could use just first names (assuming the tracker makes this easy) for now and leave breadcrumbs for someone to > change it later if we have a name collision. > > What about the version number - for my purposes, that is pretty important. I would be willing to remove the .txt. > > RjS > > On Oct 29, 2010, at 1:19 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > > >> Robert Sparks kirjoitti: >> >>> To make sure I understand, does this match 3b? >>> >>> *DISCUSS/COMMENT: <draft-ietf-geopriv-held-identity-extensions-05.txt> (Lars Eggert)* >>> >>> >> No, because I was suggesting the use of first name. I realize that it may not be unique in all cases. But I also like relatively short subject liunes. >> >> Jari >> >> >>> RjS >>> >>> On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Ralph Droms wrote: >>> >>> >>>> +1 to 3b >>>> >>>> - Ralph >>>> >>>> On Oct 29, 2010, at 11:25 AM 10/29/10, Jari Arkko wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> 3 >>>>> >>>>> or 3b: "DISCUSS: draft-foo (Jari)" >>>>> >>>>> > > >