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Hi, folks,

due to the IRTF chair transition that is ramping up, I'm giving up a few =
other things. I've therefore decided to step down as the IESG liaison to =
the tools development team. Ron (CC'ed) will be the new liaison. =
(Thanks, Ron!)

Ray, could you subscribe Ron to the list, and unsubscribe me?

Thanks,
Lars

PS: I still plan on coming to the code sprints :-)=

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Lars,

Will do.  Congrats on your appointment as IRTF Chair and best wishes.

Welcome Ron!

Ray
On Dec 3, 2010, at 2:34 AM, Lars Eggert wrote:

> Hi, folks,
>=20
> due to the IRTF chair transition that is ramping up, I'm giving up a =
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> Ray, could you subscribe Ron to the list, and unsubscribe me?
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> Thanks,
> Lars
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> PS: I still plan on coming to the code sprints =
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I may sound like a broken record, but why are we creating something 
today already works quite well? (if I go to tools.ietf.org)

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Russ Housley kirjoitti:
> At IETF 75 the IESG and Secretariat discussed a redesign of the 
> Working Group Web Pages.  This is the next step in the IETF Web Site 
> redesign.  It was observed that many of the cool improvements that 
> were discussed are already available on tools.ietf.org.  Where 
> possible, I would like to reuse any code that was developed for 
> tools.ietf.org.  Does anyone see any problems?
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Hi,

something is going wrong with the p7s signature generation for IDs in =
the repository. Whatever script generates them is now generating p7s =
signatures for p7s files...

For example:
...
draft-zorn-dime-rfc4005bis-02.txt.p7s.p7s
draft-zorn-radius-keywrap-17.txt.p7s
draft-zorn-radius-keywrap-17.txt.p7s.p7s
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draft-zyp-json-schema-03.txt.p7s.p7s

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Hi,

http://www.ietf.org/id-info/idsignatures.html

has these instructions to verify the p7s signatures:

openssl cms -verify -CAfile comodo.pem -content <id-file-name> -inform =
DER \
     -in <sig-file-name> -out /dev/null


However, openssl does not have a "cms" command on either Mac, FreeBSD or =
Ubuntu Linux?

Lars=

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black; text-align: left; "><br></div><div style=3D"font-family: 'Lucida =
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">openssl cms -verify -CAfile comodo.pem -content &lt;id-file-name&gt; =
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Lars:

In April 2008, it was in OpenSSL 0.9.9.  I used it to test the syntax in
the Internet-Draft.  What version are you running?

OpenSSL 1.0.0 supports it too.

Russ

On 12/8/2010 9:42 AM, Lars Eggert wrote:
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> http://www.ietf.org/id-info/idsignatures.html
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> has these instructions to verify the p7s signatures:
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> 
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Hi,

Quite odd, but of all the tools aliases I have used over the last year, just one
regularly fails.

I am convinced that I have typed
draft-ietf-mpls-fastreroute-mib.all@tools.ietf.org correctly. The draft has had
a chequered history, having been dead at one time - I wonder if this has any
bearing.

Anyway, I attach all the information I have from the bounce. 

Cheers,
Adrian
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Regrets.  I'll be on an airplane.

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> 
> A reminder of the Tools Call Wednesday 15 Dec at 11:00 ET (UTC-5).  WebEx Details below.
> 
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> 
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> 4.  Prague Tools Plans - Sprint, IT projects, Training
> 5.  Other
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> Ray
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As always, all mistakes are my own

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IETF Tools Call - 15 December 2010

Attendees:

Ray Pelletier
Julian Reschke
Steve Conte
Robert Sparks
Tony Hansen
Henrik Lebkowetz
Bob Hinden
Ron Bonica
Glen Barney
Karen=20

Agenda

1.  2010 IT Project Update

RP: items 1-12 have been completed.  10 projects in work, 3 of them are =
expected
to close this year (13-15).  Remaining projects are in work and started =
in 2010 but
will continue into 2011.  Asking IDIQ Developers to prepare proposal for=20=

xml2nroff in python=20

for 2011
8 datatracker projects
secretariat and community projects
rfc services projects

budget is USD$429K for 2011


2.  xml2rfc

discussion:
Python is chosen for a variety of reasons:
- pre-qualified developers via IDIQ
- tools already in python
- etc

Drop in replacement.  People who are currently using xml2rfc can use the =
new=20
xml2rfc.

Some people may have to make changes to their code to use new xml2rfc

requirements may not be comprehensive?

how much nroff is being generated?

should new work go through the step of generating nroff or will it be =
better to tweak
language so that rfc-editor can use xml2rfc without nroff

if we don't use nroff as intermidate format, then a much larger tool =
will need to be=20
built.

nroff that rfc-ed uses, is really only a subset of the tool

people have been writing drafts using nroff for years
xml2rfc uses a simple nroff
if we find one particular thing that nroff won't do, we can do whats =
being done today
don't try to repeat work thats already been done

are you expecting people to download the new xml2rfc to local client and =
run it locally
rather than using the web interface ---  If they want to, will require =
python and nroff

must be available both hosted and local

goal is to move tool so it's supportable, is not the end of development =
or discussion

hasn't gone to developers for proposals yet, so will bring to committee =
and flush out
the SoW to be more definitive

3.  Beijing Sprint Results

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	some people working on same code, which led to change =
collisions.  worked out how to=20
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	 had been continuing developing from previous sprints
	 more rapid ramp up to do actual coding
	 evidence of people continuing to work on the code since =
Beijing.  So community=20
	 is starting to stay active between events

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sprint
     same kind of space would be appropriate
     same kind of network (wired is good)
     food access control issues.. food may be in another location in =
future
     likes having the sprint in the terminal room
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easier for=20
     next sprint.
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 That didn't=20
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sprints, we should
     identify what we'll do and formally document actions/goals
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by Prague that=20
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out to report
     for chairs luncheon on the wednesday

5.  Other

HL: need to have a discussion regarding the way secretariat admin tools =
may be forcing
    AMSL to require more work to get them in place than necessary
RjS: would like to get an overview update on database migration schema =
change
HL:  IOLA did a study (almost completed one main view) and are now =
continuing importing
     to make view work well.  This will be the major item of code =
conversion
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	 Within weeks, should have a fully function document view that =
uses the new tables


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Hi there,

I'd like to elaborate on the xml2rfc discussion.

 From that I hear the SoW will *only* contain the NROFF output. Not 
formatted text, as it can be produced from the NROFF, and not HTML, 
because we already have a maintained implementation for that (thanks!).

There's a problem with this plan.

The development of the xml2rfc (RFC2629) vocabulary has been slow 
(actually has come to a halt) because the *important* implementation 
(the one needed for submitting IDs and publishing RFCs) essentially was 
unmaintained (except for emergency fixes).

The plan as I currently understand it will get us into a similar 
position; we may end up with an alternate implementation for NROFF, for 
which there will be no ongoing development, unless I'm mistaken.

Also, taking out 2 out of 3 formatting targets, with plain formatted 
text being the tricky one, somewhat changes the picture with respect to 
how we could re-use what we have. The XSLT code already understands the 
vocabulary, references, lists, the boilerplate issues etc. Replicating 
*that* functionality into a different language for the sake of just 
producing NROFF seems like a bad idea; it would be much smarter to just 
build on top of the existing code, adding a new target format. In 
*particular* if the plan is to rely on that code for HTML generation anyway.

With the existing XSLT code, producing NROFF could be done either with a 
different "backend" (I have one for NROFF that I abandoned a few years 
ago), or by converting the XHTML-as-generated to NROFF. That would save 
us from replicating all the high level logic again.

That being said: the current xml2rfc code does *not* use NROFF features 
to produce the TOC, the index, and tables. Those are tricky. If somebody 
with NROFF know-how is willing to assist me, I can into resurrecting the 
XSLT-based code for NROFF production.

But let's please try to avoid re-inventing the wheel, causing 
double-maintenance, and confusion about how to evolve the vocabulary.

Best regards, Julian
