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Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Oh dear, Another tracker defect?
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El 29/04/11 21:11, Adrian Farrel escribió:
> draft-ietf-roll-security-framework was in IESG Evaluation::Revised ID Needed
>
> A new version was posted, and I would have expected the state to automatically
> transition to IESG Evaluation::AD Followup
>
> But the I-D seems to be stuck in the previous state.
>
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-roll-security-framework/history/

    Yes, this is a bug of the new submit tool. I have fixed the bug in 
the ticket http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/654.

    Best,

> Thanks,
> Adrian
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Henrik Levkowetz [mailto:henrik@levkowetz.com]
>> Sent: 29 April 2011 14:52
>> To: Emilio A. Sanchez Lopez
>> Cc: 'Adrian Farrel'
>> Subject: Fwd: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tracker defect
>>
>> Hi Emilio,
>>
>> See the message below, and the page referred.  Could it be that drafts
>> posted using the new submission tool don't re-set the time at which a
>> draft will expire?
>>
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> 	Henrik
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tracker defect
>> Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 23:52:54 +0100
>> From: Adrian Farrel<Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com>
>> Reply-To: Adrian.Farrel@huawei.com
>> To: tools-development@ietf.org
>> CC: iesg@ietf.org, action@ietf.org
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> An oddity.
>>
>> Have a look at the history at
>> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-mpls-explicit-resource-control-
>> bundle/history/
>>
>> You'll see that a new revision was posted "just in time" but the dastardly
>> tracker decided to time out the previous version and mark the whole thing
> Dead.
>>
>> Now the "current" version is the previous one.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Adrian
>>
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Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools-Related Notes from IESG Retreat
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Here are some rough notes from IESG discussions yesterday.

###

Tools-Related Notes from IESG Retreat
May 2011

Legend:
  AI =3D action item
  FR =3D feature request for the wish list
  FYI =3D merely an informational note

AI: add a cookie to choose format below document "header" on
datatracker.ietf.org (e.g., plain text vs. HTML)

AI: re-add ability to Last Call on RFC to go from Proposed to Draft

FYI: moving to one button (no longer "Edit" vs. "Change state")

AI: allow "AD is watching" as initial state

FYI: add sub-State for "Waiting on WG"? use "External Party" instead

AI: don't show DISCUSS box unless click "discuss" radio button

FR: at https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/documents/ allow
"Download PDFs" (or other formats)

FYI: move historical discusses to History tab? No strong desire for this.=
=2E.

FYI: might need template for media type registrations (these are IETF
contributions because asking for IETF consensus) -- no need for
"registration-*" yet, Pete and Peter to follow up after IANA-related
discussions happening now

FYI: possible need for "liaison-*" in the future, as well

AI: want to see IPR disclosures in auto-generated Last Call text

FR: pull downrefs into idnits

AI: auto-include abstract in write-up

FR: wrap the preview for "save and send email"

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Hi Peter,

Two of the items below are already in my code tree and will be part
of the next release:

On 2011-05-03 13:43 Peter Saint-Andre said:
...
> AI: want to see IPR disclosures in auto-generated Last Call text

Coding done.  Will be part of next release.

...
> FR: wrap the preview for "save and send email"

Coding done.  Will be part of next release.


Best regards,

	Henrik

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2.  XML2RFC Dev Status
3.  Proposals
	ID Tracking Tool - Mon 5/9
	WG Charter Tool - Thurs 5/12
4.  Agenda Scheduling Tool
5.  IT Update
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3.  Proposals
	ID Tracking Tool - Mon 5/9
	WG Charter Tool - Thurs 5/12
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5.  IT Update
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I may be 5-10 minutes late joining the call.

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On May 10, 2011, at 5:47 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote:

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>=20
> A reminder of Wednesday's Tools Cmte call at 11:00 AM EDT (UTC-4).  =
WebEx details below.
>=20
> Draft Agenda:
>=20
> 1.  Front End Acceptance Testing
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> 3.  Proposals
> 	ID Tracking Tool - Mon 5/9
> 	WG Charter Tool - Thurs 5/12
> 4.  Agenda Scheduling Tool
> 5.  IT Update
> 6.  Other
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> Ray
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> Topic: Tools Cmte=20
> Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011=20
> Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)=20
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Hi Robert,

The repository for xml2rfc version 2 is at 
   http://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/tools/xml2rfc/version2/,
and it's browseable at 
   http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/browser/version2/


Best regards,

	Henrik

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Hi -

The cookie(s) editable by <http://datatracker.ietf.org/cookies/> are not =
being persisted sufficiently by some folks browsers.
It may be that the choice of leaving such cookies around is beyond their =
control.

David, for instance, is still having to repeatedly re-opt to get the =
full draft on the tracker's main document page.
This is quite frustrating (I had a similar experience before the =
lifetime of the cookies were changed around Prague),
and it's likely to become more of a problem as we allow greater =
customization of what the tracker displays.

Are cookies really the best tool for this? Should we consider moving =
this state into the database associated with a login instead?

RjS

p.s. For this particular bit of configuration, I'm frequently asked why =
the default is to show a truncated version of the draft instead
of the full version, making truncation an option. My understanding is =
that this makes it far less likely that a mobile user would=20
download a large document (a very large mib for example) that they =
didn't intend to read right now anyhow. Was there any other=20
motivation for the sense of the choice as it is currently implemented?



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On Mon, May 16, 2011 at 10:15:32AM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote:
> Hi -
> The cookie(s) editable by <http://datatracker.ietf.org/cookies/>
> are not being persisted sufficiently by some folks browsers.
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Robert -

We use cookies on the mail IETF website for style sheet selection persistence,
and are not aware of anyone having problems (which may mean that there are
problems and nobody has complained yet).  But perhaps looking at what we did
might be helpful?
 
> p.s. For this particular bit of configuration, I'm frequently
> asked why the default is to show a truncated version of the draft instead
> of the full version, making truncation an option. My understanding
> is that this makes it far less likely that a mobile user would 

Perhaps making the datatracker client-aware or mobile-aware might be a useful
alternative?

Glen

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s/mail/main/

Sorry.

Glen

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Hi Everyone,

Some time back, David Harrington made a request via our Secretariat  
ticket system that we include links to the audio archives in the draft  
proceedings view. After looking into this, we realized that this is a  
Tools Team item and not something that the Secretariat can do. As  
such, I'm passing along this request in case someone on the tools team  
has the time to add a link to the audio archives from the draft  
proceedings (datatracker) view.

Thanks,
Alexa

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I thought the proceedings code was secretariat maintained? I don't =
believe I have access to the source, for example. If that's wrong, =
please let me know.

Is this intended to be an incremental step, providing links to the whole =
existing streams, rather than being the project that divides the streams =
into working group or topic-within-a-working group chunks?

RjS

On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Alexa Morris wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>=20
> Some time back, David Harrington made a request via our Secretariat =
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time to add a link to the audio archives from the draft proceedings =
(datatracker) view.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Alexa
>=20
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Note: Robert and I chatted about this via IM. First, the draft  
proceedings view I'm referring to is here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/81/materials.html 
. Second, Robert indicated he might have an idea of how to do this,  
but that we should probably chat about it briefly on the next tools  
call. He believes that this may be a code sprint sized work item.

Alexa

On May 19, 2011, at 11:58 AM, Robert Sparks wrote:

> I thought the proceedings code was secretariat maintained? I don't  
> believe I have access to the source, for example. If that's wrong,  
> please let me know.
>
> Is this intended to be an incremental step, providing links to the  
> whole existing streams, rather than being the project that divides  
> the streams into working group or topic-within-a-working group chunks?
>
> RjS
>
> On May 19, 2011, at 11:30 AM, Alexa Morris wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> Some time back, David Harrington made a request via our Secretariat  
>> ticket system that we include links to the audio archives in the  
>> draft proceedings view. After looking into this, we realized that  
>> this is a Tools Team item and not something that the Secretariat  
>> can do. As such, I'm passing along this request in case someone on  
>> the tools team has the time to add a link to the audio archives  
>> from the draft proceedings (datatracker) view.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Alexa
>>
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FYI

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Stefan Santesson <stefan@aaa-sec.com>
> Date: May 24, 2011 6:25:00 PM EDT
> To: IETF <ietf@ietf.org>
> Subject: Problems using the default ftp settings in NroffEdit for diff =
display
>=20
> It has come to my attention that there is a problem using the default =
ftp settings for displaying the diff between the current edited draft =
and the latest published draft using NroffEdit.
>=20
> The reason is that I signed up for a free ftp service without =
understanding that they had a per month max traffic limit.
> This feature has shown to be more popular than I anticipated. I have =
tried to upgrade the account, but currently with no success.
>=20
> This problem is easiest avoided if you just configure your own ftp =
service to a site that also offers http access to the stored files and =
then selecting your own ftp settings to be used by default.
>=20
> I will figure out a fix to this problem as soon as I have time, but =
right now I'm swamped with other stuff.
> Sorry for the inconvenience.
>=20
> BTW, I just released 2.08 with a fix that allows you to either choose =
the standard RFC citation in the automated reference builder, or to =
select that all obsolete references is marked as obsolete. This is done =
by menu option. This change was done on request from users. In 2.07 all =
obsolete references was identified as obsolete and you could not =
deselect that feature.
>=20
> /Stefan
>=20
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">FYI<br><div><br><div>Begin forwarded message:</div><br =
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font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>From: </b></span><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">Stefan Santesson =
&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:stefan@aaa-sec.com">stefan@aaa-sec.com</a>&gt;<br></span></=
div><div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: =
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font-size:medium;">IETF &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:ietf@ietf.org">ietf@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br></span></div><div =
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font-size:medium; color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1);"><b>Subject: </b></span><span =
style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;"><b>Problems using =
the default ftp settings in NroffEdit for diff =
display</b><br></span></div><br><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; =
"><div>It has come to my attention that there is a problem using the =
default ftp settings for displaying the diff between the current edited =
draft and the latest published draft using =
NroffEdit.</div><div><br></div><div>The reason is that I signed up for a =
free ftp service without understanding that they had a per month max =
traffic limit.</div><div>This feature has shown to be more popular than =
I anticipated.&nbsp;I have tried to upgrade the account, but currently =
with no success.</div><div><br></div><div>This problem is easiest =
avoided if you just configure your own ftp service to a site that also =
offers http access to the stored files and then selecting your own ftp =
settings to be used by default.</div><div><br></div><div>I will figure =
out a fix to this problem as soon as I have time, but right now I'm =
swamped with other stuff.</div><div>Sorry for the =
inconvenience.</div><div><br></div><div>BTW, I just released 2.08 with a =
fix that allows you to either choose the standard RFC citation in the =
automated reference builder, or to select that all obsolete references =
is marked as obsolete. This is done by menu option. This change was done =
on request from users. In 2.07 all obsolete references was identified as =
obsolete and you could not deselect that =
feature.</div><div><br></div><div>/Stefan</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://aaa-sec.com/nroffedit/index.html">http://aaa-sec.com/nroffe=
dit/index.html</a></div></div>
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Pete,

Thank you for sending along these requests.

On May 16, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Pete Resnick wrote:

> (I understand the tools team doesn't work on the RFC Editor pages. =
Thought I would Cc in case this is of interest to them.)
>=20
> Two change requests for the errata tool:
>=20

To be clear, this is regarding the RFC errata verification system (which =
is used by "stream managers" to change the content and/or status of =
errata reports), not the public errata system.

> 1. Instead of an "Edit or Verify", please make it an "Edit" button and =
let me change to whatever state (including "Reject" and "Hold for =
Document Update") in there. I've screwed up twice, forgetting to save an =
edit and then clicking "Hold for Document Update". It would be nice if I =
could set the correct status inside of the Edit screen.
>=20

It seems the one-click action of the "Hold for Document Update" button =
(as described on http://www.rfc-editor.org/how_to_verify.html) is =
causing this issue. The "Hold for Document Update" path is the only =
status change that works in this manner; the others have "Preview" and =
"Edit Again" options.

In general, errata are edited before their status is changed.  Often the =
submitted report has a typo or has the incorrect type =
(Editorial/Technical), or the verifier wants to add a note, so 'Edit or =
Verify' is a typical first step for errata processing.=20

> 2. Please allow me to go back and change errata that I have edited, at =
least for some short period of time. As I said above, I've screwed up a =
few already and it would be nice to fix them without having to bug the =
RFC Editor staff.
>=20

What period of time would you recommend?  The concept was that errata =
(especially once their status is changed) would be fairly static over =
time in order to be useful.

Thank you.

Alice
for the RFC Production Center

> Thanks,
>=20
> pr
>=20
> --=20
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> Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: =
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Hi Alice -

A couple of followup comments inline:

On May 25, 2011, at 6:03 PM, Alice Hagens wrote:

> Pete,
>=20
> Thank you for sending along these requests.
>=20
> On May 16, 2011, at 4:57 PM, Pete Resnick wrote:
>=20
>> (I understand the tools team doesn't work on the RFC Editor pages. =
Thought I would Cc in case this is of interest to them.)
>>=20
>> Two change requests for the errata tool:
>>=20
>=20
> To be clear, this is regarding the RFC errata verification system =
(which is used by "stream managers" to change the content and/or status =
of errata reports), not the public errata system.
>=20
>> 1. Instead of an "Edit or Verify", please make it an "Edit" button =
and let me change to whatever state (including "Reject" and "Hold for =
Document Update") in there. I've screwed up twice, forgetting to save an =
edit and then clicking "Hold for Document Update". It would be nice if I =
could set the correct status inside of the Edit screen.
>>=20
>=20
> It seems the one-click action of the "Hold for Document Update" button =
(as described on http://www.rfc-editor.org/how_to_verify.html) is =
causing this issue. The "Hold for Document Update" path is the only =
status change that works in this manner; the others have "Preview" and =
"Edit Again" options.
>=20
> In general, errata are edited before their status is changed.  Often =
the submitted report has a typo or has the incorrect type =
(Editorial/Technical), or the verifier wants to add a note, so 'Edit or =
Verify' is a typical first step for errata processing.=20

Actually, that's far from clear from the interface. Any new verifier is =
going to be extremely reticent to hit the edit or verify button if the =
goal is to reject or hold for document update.
(It was a long time before I figured out by myself I could make that =
edit step and then not choose verify).

We can leave notes for future IESG members on the IESG wiki, but it =
would make it far more likely that the right thing "just happened" if =
you either separated edit out as a standalone interface, or
integrated hold and reject onto the same form with verify.

>=20
>> 2. Please allow me to go back and change errata that I have edited, =
at least for some short period of time. As I said above, I've screwed up =
a few already and it would be nice to fix them without having to bug the =
RFC Editor staff.
>>=20
>=20
> What period of time would you recommend?  The concept was that errata =
(especially once their status is changed) would be fairly static over =
time in order to be useful.

Brainstorming:

One approach you might consider is adding a "Please revert this to =
reported" button. You could then code (and change at your discretion) =
logic that either automatically approved and executed the request, or =
sent email to a human to determine if it's the right thing to do. One =
initial policy might be to automatically approve those requests if the =
most recent change was within the last 24 (or perhaps fewer hours).

That said, while I agree with Pete that it would be nicer if we didn't =
have to interrupt someone else's day because we bumped a button wrong, I =
don't think we're at the point where just handling it with email between =
people as we do now is over-burdensome.=20

>=20
> Thank you.
>=20
> Alice
> for the RFC Production Center
>=20
>> Thanks,
>>=20
>> pr
>>=20
>> --=20
>> Pete Resnick<http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>
>> Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: =
(858)651-1102
>>=20
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On May 27, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Pete Resnick wrote:

> So I was trying to remember what was on a ballot of a couple of =
documents on yesterday's agenda. So I went to =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/ only to realize that =
yesterday's agenda is gone. I thought =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/agenda/documents/ might have a way to =
look back, but that's only into the future. Then I thought, "OK, I know =
I had a comment on that document, and I think someone else had a discuss =
on it, and I know https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/discusses/ can bring =
up all outstanding discusses, so I'll go look there." Except that =
doesn't work because (a) it only looks for discusses, not comments, and =
(b) you can't look for things that *were* discusses, only things that =
are currently discusses (one of the documents had its discusses cleared =
already), and you can't look up discusses that are outstanding to a =
particular AD, only those particular to you.
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> So it seems my choices are (a) get my mind right and don't try to use =
the datatracker in ways that it does not now work, or (b) beg for help =
from either the tools people or the datatracker people. Here's what I'd =
like:
>=20
> - Old datatracker agendas. Yeah, I know I've got the emailed agenda, =
and I know I've got the minutes, but they don't have nice clickable =
links to the documents or to the ballots.
Very hard problem unfortunately because the information kept won't =
actually let you reconstruct an agenda in the past, at least not =
accurately. That things get added/removed/deferred, even as a call is in =
progress,
is manageable with the forward-facing-in-time views. A very different =
kind of data needs to be kept for historic views.

One thing I've considered is laying down the information that would let =
us see what the old agenda pages looked like just at the moment the =
secretary rolls things forward (which you see now as the old agenda =
going away),
but again, it even that will be non-trivial.

Henrik - will this be significantly different under the new schema?


>=20
> - Make something like https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/discusses/ =
that can list documents I've commented on, or can search for documents =
with a particular position, within certain date ranges, containing =
comments, by AD, etc.
The old tracker had something that might have gotten close to this, but =
only for your own discusses and comments.
You might go look at the "Ballot - Search Criterea" section of =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/cgi-bin/idtracker.cgi> and see how close =
that gets to scratching the itch.

In any case, the most surefire way to get what you want is to come to =
the codesprint and make it happen :).

RjS

>=20
> (I now see the temptation to DISCUSS documents instead of COMMENT on =
them; it's very easy to find documents you've put a DISCUSS on, not so =
much for COMMENT. I will continue to shout at this particular cloud and =
use COMMENT.)
>=20
> pr
>=20
> --=20
> Pete Resnick<http://www.qualcomm.com/~presnick/>
> Qualcomm Incorporated - Direct phone: (858)651-4478, Fax: =
(858)651-1102
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