From housley@vigilsec.com Sun Jun 5 09:00:30 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE571F0C34; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 09:00:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GEJYKeFTr48s; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8AA221F846F; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 09:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B42F2410A; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 12:00:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zFCuklwJd6sE; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 12:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (pool-96-241-218-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.241.218.101]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF6CFF2401A; Sun, 5 Jun 2011 12:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4DEB8ECE.9050100@ieca.com> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2011 12:00:28 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <245A5D50-8FB3-4721-AF5B-28BD42C53620@vigilsec.com> References: <4DEB8ECE.9050100@ieca.com> To: Sean Turner X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: The IESG , IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] New Tracker Info X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2011 16:00:30 -0000 Please pass this to the IETF Tools Development mail list = On Jun 5, 2011, at 10:12 AM, Sean Turner wrote: > In the info added to tracker almost all of the little boxes have = (Default WG Workflow). If it's the default can we just leave it off and = only include the additional information if it's not the default? >=20 > spt From rpelletier@isoc.org Fri Jun 10 06:50:22 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EF2711E81B9 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:50:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.668 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.668 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.534, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RXQfsDvj19eb for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:50:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F2A711E81A2 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp31.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2CC5F3E05B1 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:50:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp31.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id DFED83E05B0 for ; Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Ray Pelletier Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-118-841601455 Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 09:49:59 -0400 X-Priority: 3 References: <204091511.1307713647763.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2wl016.webex.com> To: tools-development@ietf.org Message-Id: <570736C9-4580-41B2-BC78-9BE3632AFAF7@isoc.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2011 13:50:22 -0000 --Apple-Mail-118-841601455 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Begin forwarded message: > From: Ray Pelletier > Date: June 10, 2011 9:47:27 AM EDT > To: rpelletier@isoc.org > Subject: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte > Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org >=20 >=20 > **** You can forward this email invitation to attendees ****=20 >=20 > Hello ,=20 >=20 > Ray Pelletier invites you to attend this online meeting.=20 >=20 > Topic: Tools Cmte=20 > Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011=20 > Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)=20 > Meeting Number: 961 250 289=20 > Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > 1. 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Date: June 10, 2011 = 9:47:27 AM EDT
To: rpelletier@isoc.org
Subject: (Forward to = attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte
Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org


**** You can forward this email invitation to attendees = ****

Hello ,

Ray Pelletier invites you to attend = this online meeting.

Topic: Tools Cmte
Date: Wednesday, = June 15, 2011
Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, = GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 961 250 289
Meeting Password: (This = meeting does not require a password.)


= -------------------------------------------------------
To join the = online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)
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1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D1540155= 27&UID=3D0&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D
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= --Apple-Mail-118-841601455-- From rpelletier@isoc.org Wed Jun 15 06:36:52 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80D7D11E8141 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:36:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.785 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.785 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.582, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5CbiYoGlbksx for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp174.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp174.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.174]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D0F11E812C for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 06:36:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp27.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3C1411189F9 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:36:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp27.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 02654118A51 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:36:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Ray Pelletier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 09:36:50 -0400 Message-Id: To: tools-development@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Agenda & WebEx Details X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 13:36:52 -0000 All; Draft Agenda for the call today. 1. IT Projects in Work DB Conversion Front End - WG & Alt Streams xml2rfc Draft Tracking Tool 2. Spec Development Back End Charter Milestone Management 3. Apps IETF Meeting Calendar App 4. Vol Tools Quebec Code Sprint 5. Agenda Scheduling Tool 6. AMS Tools Development Update RFC Management IETF Meeting Session Management Materials Management=20 7. AOB Ray Topic: Tools Cmte=20 Date: Wednesday, June 15, 2011=20 Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)=20 Meeting Number: 961 250 289=20 Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D154015527&UID=3D0&RT=3DMi= MxMQ%3D%3D=20 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.=20 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: (This meeting = does not require a password.)=20 4. Click "Join".=20 To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:=20 = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D154015527&UID=3D0&ORT=3DM= iMxMQ%3D%3D=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the audio conference only=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.=20 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-866-699-3239=20 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300=20 Global call-in numbers: = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&ED= =3D154015527&tollFree=3D1=20 Toll-free dialing restrictions: = http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf=20 Access code:961 250 289=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 For assistance=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc=20 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".=20 You can contact me at:=20 rpelletier@isoc.org=20 1-703-652-9534=20 To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft = Outlook), click this link:=20 = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D154015527&UID=3D0&ICS=3DM= I&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3D5mIzZowYUSaSCPuz8zTxxEiRbHeXqx9ZRnZ0LLAEV9E=3D= &RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files = requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in = the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going = tohttps://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php=20 Sign up for a free trial of WebEx=20 http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial=20 http://www.webex.com=20 CCP:+14087926300x961250289#=20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows = audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during = the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, = discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the = recording or do not join the session. Please note that any such = recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation.=20= From conte@isoc.org Wed Jun 15 08:31:33 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42CD811E8158 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:31:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.265 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.265 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Gjt1x4C3aB4 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp164.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp164.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.164]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79C4A11E8137 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0D19627049D for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:31:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp6.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: conte-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id ADE432700EB for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 11:31:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Conte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:31:31 -0700 Message-Id: To: tools-development@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call - 15 June 2011 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:31:33 -0000 As always, any mistakes are my own. Steve ----- IETF Tools Call - 15 June 2011 Attendees: Ray Pelletier Henrik Levkowetz Matt Larson Peter Saint-Andre Alice Hagens Karen Moreland Julian Reschke Robert Sparks Tony Hansen 1. IT Projects in Work DB Conversion (IOLA) =09 RP: Just finished work order #4. able to lay out work in front = of them. work order #5 should be approved tomorrow.=09 HL: work order # 6 still has about 2 months of work left = (post-Quebec), however should be able to start testing against the new code=20 RS: Should new schema still be good for mid-June? HL: Information should be placed into the wiki soon RP: Any other requirements for Quebec or anything else we should = do for/in=20 Quebec or will this be carried over into Taipei? HL: New schema probably won't be the major focus for Quebec = sprint and would like to see new DB in production first so people don't have to be = converted =09 Front End - WG & Alt Streams (YACO) =09 HL: YACO has completed first cut and needs to update in respect = to changes in the RFC. Still has issues to resolve around the WG items. =09 xml2rfc (Concentric Sky) =09 HL: CS has invited HL to take a look at current code and test = run it. first test was 3 weeks ago and basics looked good. Have been working hard = on supporting the varients. Plan is to run new code against a number of xml = source files and match=20 it to existing output and look for diffs. Julian interested in = testing also. RP: Are they on schedule? HL: Yes. =09 Draft Tracking Tool (YACO) =09 HL: originally gave YACO a repository branch with old schema, = but gave them the branch with new schema and they are now started on the work. 2. Spec Development Back End (AMS) =09 AH: Spec has gone through last call, but there's more revisions: KM: IESG is waiting for feedback from IANA RP: Would like to get this to development to be completed this = year. =09 Charter Milestone Management (Hoffman) =09 HL: no new information on this item. RP to ping Paul to find status 3. Apps IETF Meeting Calendar App (Pusateri) HL: email from Tom Pusateri stating that he'd like to write iPhone = app for agenda and meeting calendar. Had seen it previously and thought it'd be = great for IETF meetings. HL said that folks would be very appreciative of an app = like this. JR: suggest that it work on open source rather than native IOS HL: understands but a native app would be really nice if it works = well 4. Vol Tools Quebec Code Sprint RjS: Reminders are being sent out currently to get them to sign up. = Planning is=20 expected to follow same pattern as the past few code sprints.=09 5. Agenda Scheduling Tool (AMS) =20 6. AMS Tools Development Update (AMS) Should be ready to demo in Quebec RFC Management IETF Meeting Session Management =09 KM: both in development and should be ready to demo in Quebec =09 Materials Management=20 =20 7. AOB =20 HL: working on: moving nomcom pages to secretariat servers, assisted = by Matt. =20 Should be able to see the pages in the next day or so and will be = ready to point to nomcom chair=20 RjS: has a set of requirements for a better mail archiving to look = at against current product? RP: Next call is 20 July (week before IETF) =20 =20 =20 =20 ----- Steve Conte conte@isoc.org From rjsparks@nostrum.com Wed Jun 15 08:34:17 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5210C11E8137 for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:34:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.267 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.267 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.666, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ayhjEpSTZltC for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF02011E818A for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 08:34:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dn3-177.estacado.net (vicuna-alt.estacado.net [75.53.54.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5FFYD2P087977 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:34:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) From: Robert Sparks Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=Apple-Mail-109--867628713 Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 10:34:12 -0500 Message-Id: To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 75.53.54.121 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Email archiving X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:34:17 -0000 --Apple-Mail-109--867628713 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii All - I have a first pass of requirements for a more effective email = archiving/browsing solution. Please review and let me know what is missing or should be different. Do any of you know of existing systems that meet most or all of these = requirements? --Apple-Mail-109--867628713 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=archives.rtf Content-Type: text/rtf; name="archives.rtf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit {\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\cocoartf1038\cocoasubrtf350 {\fonttbl\f0\fswiss\fcharset0 Helvetica;\f1\fnil\fcharset129 AppleGothic;} {\colortbl;\red255\green255\blue255;\red85\green85\blue85;} \pard\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f0\b\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ul \ulc0 \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Email Archive/Search Requirements\ \ \pard\tx240\li240\fi-240\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f1\b0\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Archiving active lists\ \pard\tx360\tx600\li600\fi-600\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must accept messages handled by various mail reflector packages\ \pard\tx720\tx960\li960\fi-960\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Lists hosted at IETF are served by mailman\ \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Lists hosted at other organizations may use other packages\ \pard\tx1080\tx1320\li1320\fi-1320\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 must accept messages through subscribing to such an external list\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 may support other mechanisms for accepting messages to archive\ \pard\tx240\li240\fi-240\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Importing messages from other archives\ \pard\tx360\tx600\li600\fi-600\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 At a minimum, must be able to import mbox formatted archives\ \pard\tx720\tx960\li960\fi-960\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 should support importing maildir formatted archives\ \pard\tx1080\tx1320\li1320\fi-1320\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 It is acceptable to use a separate utility to convert between those formats before import as long as the conversion is lossless.\ \pard\tx240\li240\fi-240\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Exporting messages\ \pard\tx360\tx600\li600\fi-600\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must be able to export messages to standard formats\ \pard\tx720\tx960\li960\fi-960\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must support export to mbox\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Should support export to maildir\ \pard\tx360\tx600\li600\fi-600\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must support exporting the entire archive of a given list\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must support exporting all messages form a given list within a given daterange\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Should support exporting the results of any supported search query\ \pard\tx240\li240\fi-240\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Availability\ \pard\tx360\tx600\li600\fi-600\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must facilitate providing the archive, search, and browse functions through geographically distributed servers\ \pard\tx720\tx960\li960\fi-960\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must support a single active and one standby server (this reflects the current operating configuration, and will be the initial deployment model)\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Should support a single active and multiple standby servers\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Should support multiple active servers for the search and browse functions (multiple active archive servers are not a requirement)\ \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 The amount of data replication between servers should be on the order of the size of new/changed messages. \ \pard\tx1080\tx1320\li1320\fi-1320\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 It is acceptable for replication to be part of the archival system itself (such as using the replication mechanisms from an underlying database)\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 It is acceptable to rely on replication of the underlying filesystem objects (using rsync of one or more directory trees for example), but only if the objects in the underlying filesystem are formatted such that the size of the replication data is on the order of the size of new/changed messages.\ \pard\tx240\li240\fi-240\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Administration\ \pard\tx360\tx600\li600\fi-600\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must support addition and removal of lists to be archived\ \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must allow the administrator to add messages to an archived list, and delete messages from an archived list\ \pard\tx720\tx960\li960\fi-960\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Should log such actions\ \pard\tx240\li240\fi-240\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Search/Browsing\ \pard\tx360\tx600\li600\fi-600\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must provide a web interface for search and browsing\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must be able to browse within a list or a search result by thread or by date\ \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Must be able to search over any combination (using AND and OR operators) of the following:\ \pard\tx720\tx960\li960\fi-960\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 string occurring in sender name\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 date range\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 string occurring in Subject\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 string occurring in message body\ \pard\tx360\tx600\li600\fi-600\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Richer search capabilities are highly desirable\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Individual messages must be representable by a long-term stable URI that can be shared between users (that is, the URI must be suitable for reference in an email message)\ \f1\fs26 \cf2 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'a1\'e5 \f0\fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Searches should be representable by a URI that can be shared between users\ \pard\tx720\tx960\li960\fi-960\ql\qnatural\pardirnatural \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 Such URIs should be long-term stable\ \fs26 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 \'95 \fs24 \cf0 \up0 \nosupersub \ulnone \obliqueness0 \expansion0 The search will be re-executed when the URI is referenced - it is acceptable for the same URI to produce different results if accessed on different days (reflecting additional messages that may match the search criteria for example)\ } --Apple-Mail-109--867628713 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii RjS --Apple-Mail-109--867628713-- From dcrocker@gmail.com Wed Jun 15 13:27:31 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) 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InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110414 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: [xml2rfc] Keeping some authors off the front page ? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 20:27:31 -0000 In case the answer to the embedded question is no: folks responsible for tools requirements decisions should track this list... d/ -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [xml2rfc] Keeping some authors off the front page ? Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2011 15:58:45 +0200 From: Julian Reschke To: John C Klensin CC: xml2rfc@ietf.org, RFC Editor On 2011-06-15 15:38, John C Klensin wrote: > ... > But the common characteristic of all three of those things is > that they are RFC Editor decisions about what to pick up and how > to use it. Unless things change, those decisions aren't even > going to get reviewed this year. I think our concern with > XML2RFC ought to be to get the generic markup sufficiently right > and specific to allow those RFC Editor decisions to evolve, > rather than requiring elaborate heuristics or document-searching > if they do. > ... Well, if these tool changes came for free, I'd agree. Right now we have xml2rfc.tcl (with nobody except Tony being able to add things), rfc2629.xslt (by me, willing to experiment), and the new tool which is work-in-progress about which I don't know the current status (are the developers reading this???). >>> different. That said, I can live with, although we'd >>> probably want to call it something else since we usually don't >>> list addresses for contributors. >> >> Address information is optional anyway. > > Sure. But if one is going to paste information in from > somewhere else (e.g., as part of a reference retrieved from a > library), it may show up -- whether or not to display it should > be a question for the style manual (see above) and/or the output > processor. That would be inconsistent with how works today. Not sure that it makes sense to diverge from that. > ... >> I'm with you in defining a specific container element. >> >> However: where does the requirement for Index placement come >> from? > > Have a look at draft-hoffman-3536bis. An index to terms in a > document like that may be one of the more important types of > index in the RFC Series. Now, as you are looking, decide how > you feel about its formatting and placement. If you are nearly > as repelled as I am, the requirement, and/or the requirement for I'm not repelled at all. (There are lots of other things about the RFC/ID format I *am* repelled of :-). > some additional processing directives, should be clear. To be > fair to Paul, the decision to let xml2rfc build the index, > rather than building it by hand and putting it in as artwork, > was mine. Of course, the artwork model would have caused its > own positioning problems, since figures cannot appear in the > element. I don't think that building the index using artwork makes sense, unless you can manage to generate it properly including page breaks and page numbers. That being said; the content model for sections inside is the same as inside . > And then there is the production rule index for rfc5321bis, URI? > which I can do with your tools, but not with xml2rfc. If one > also decided to index other things there, like explanations of > commands, one would end up with a need for two separate indexes. > Another problem, but also another symptom that index and > may need rethinking. In HTTPbis, we put production rules under a common element, such as "Grammar productions", and then use subitem for the actual entry... Best regards, Julian _______________________________________________ xml2rfc mailing list xml2rfc@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking bbiw.net From glen@amsl.com Mon Jun 27 07:08:29 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDC0711E807A; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:08:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.299 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.300, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bHA-8IJXiCZT; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A0F111E80EE; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D8E2E1C3852F; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:08:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:08:27 -0700 From: Glen To: iesg@ietf.org, iaoc@ietf.org, iab@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110627140827.GA21782@amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , Pete Resnick , henrik@levkowetz.com, Stephen Farrell Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Slowdown recurring - Potential datatracker issue causing web server failure X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:08:29 -0000 All - Good morning. As many of you are aware, we had two more slowdowns following the one I reported. This is bad. In the first case, which occurred at about 0440 Pacific time, the server rebooted itself (correctly) before I could get to it and came back online. This is good, because at least we know the server reboot system appears to work. In the second case, which occurred at 0645, I caught it in the act; and, although the server was heavily impacted, I was able to get control of it before a reboot. This is also good, because I was able to catch things in the act. As was the case yesterday, the impacted process was Apache. This time, I was able to also confirm that a python process being kicked off by apache was failing. This process caused the apache footprint to go from a normal resident memory size of 55M to a size of 12GB. Swap was almost completely exhausted, and the server was crawling. 11744 wwwrun 20 0 19.2g 12g 5140 D 6 78.2 22:11.82 httpd2-prefork 13641 wwwrun 20 0 578m 57m 6700 D 8 0.4 4:51.13 httpd2-prefork 16574 wwwrun 20 0 569m 55m 6436 S 0 0.3 1:52.44 httpd2-prefork 17010 wwwrun 20 0 574m 59m 6584 S 0 0.4 1:50.91 httpd2-prefork It has been mentioned by Steven that he was trying to enter a position at the time, and the server choked right when he tried to do so. Regardless of whether his action triggered this, the hints I'm seeing make me believe at this point we have this down to something within the datatracker, and we need to work further to find out what is happening. I am copying the Tools Team, and Henrik, and will be asking them to help with log analysis to see if they can determine why the webserver is crawling. As you can guess from the above output, I have a snapshot program running which takes server information every five minutes and writes it to a file. Now that I know this is a webserver/python (and therefore datatracker) issue, I've added additional data to the file capture. Still, I hope that we will be able to resolve this quickly. Note that since nothing has changed recently in terms of Python or the datatracker (or the server), it may take some time to localize this. It could be some heretofore undetected recursion issue or something similar. This is why I will be asking the tools team to step in and assist. Thanks, Glen Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat) From glen@amsl.com Mon Jun 27 07:23:25 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AC1811E80C8 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:23:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.649 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.649 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.350, BAYES_00=-2.599, J_CHICKENPOX_66=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KhAzMYa2tMiT for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:23:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A438E11E80DD for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9D7A31C3852B; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:23:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:23:23 -0700 From: Glen To: Rolf Winter , tools-development@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110627142323.GB21782@amsl.com> References: <20110627140827.GA21782@amsl.com> <791AD3077F94194BB2BDD13565B6295D13B69947@Polydeuces.office.hd> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <791AD3077F94194BB2BDD13565B6295D13B69947@Polydeuces.office.hd> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Slowdown recurring - Potential datatracker issue causing web server failure X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:23:25 -0000 Rolf - THANK YOU! I am copying the tools team on this, and am preparing additional data for them now. Glen On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 02:15:16PM +0000, Rolf Winter wrote: > Hi Glen, > > another data point for you. When you go to http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ledbat-survey-07 and click on RFC-to-be you also get a python error. I attached the error page for your reference. Hope it helps tracking the bug down. > > Best, > > Rolf > > > NEC Europe Limited | Registered Office: NEC House, 1 Victoria Road, London W3 6BL | Registered in England 2832014 > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org] On > > Behalf Of Glen > > Sent: Montag, 27. Juni 2011 16:08 > > To: iesg@ietf.org; iaoc@ietf.org; iab@ietf.org; wgchairs@ietf.org > > Cc: tools-development@ietf.org; Romascanu, Dan (Dan); Pete Resnick; > > henrik@levkowetz.com > > Subject: Slowdown recurring - Potential datatracker issue causing web > > server failure > > > > All - > > > > Good morning. > > > > As many of you are aware, we had two more slowdowns following the one I > > reported. This is bad. > > > > In the first case, which occurred at about 0440 Pacific time, the > > server > > rebooted itself (correctly) before I could get to it and came back > > online. > > This is good, because at least we know the server reboot system appears > > to > > work. > > > > In the second case, which occurred at 0645, I caught it in the act; and, > > although the server was heavily impacted, I was able to get control of > > it > > before a reboot. This is also good, because I was able to catch things > > in > > the act. > > > > As was the case yesterday, the impacted process was Apache. This time, > > I > > was able to also confirm that a python process being kicked off by > > apache > > was failing. This process caused the apache footprint to go from a > > normal > > resident memory size of 55M to a size of 12GB. Swap was almost > > completely > > exhausted, and the server was crawling. > > > > 11744 wwwrun 20 0 19.2g 12g 5140 D 6 78.2 22:11.82 httpd2- > > prefork > > 13641 wwwrun 20 0 578m 57m 6700 D 8 0.4 4:51.13 httpd2- > > prefork > > 16574 wwwrun 20 0 569m 55m 6436 S 0 0.3 1:52.44 httpd2- > > prefork > > 17010 wwwrun 20 0 574m 59m 6584 S 0 0.4 1:50.91 httpd2- > > prefork > > > > It has been mentioned by Steven that he was trying to enter a position > > at > > the time, and the server choked right when he tried to do so. > > Regardless > > of whether his action triggered this, the hints I'm seeing make me > > believe > > at this point we have this down to something within the datatracker, > > and we > > need to work further to find out what is happening. > > > > I am copying the Tools Team, and Henrik, and will be asking them to > > help with > > log analysis to see if they can determine why the webserver is crawling. > > As > > you can guess from the above output, I have a snapshot program running > > which > > takes server information every five minutes and writes it to a file. > > Now > > that I know this is a webserver/python (and therefore datatracker) > > issue, > > I've added additional data to the file capture. Still, I hope that we > > will > > be able to resolve this quickly. > > > > Note that since nothing has changed recently in terms of Python or the > > datatracker (or the server), it may take some time to localize this. > > It > > could be some heretofore undetected recursion issue or something > > similar. > > This is why I will be asking the tools team to step in and assist. > > > > Thanks, > > Glen > > Glen Barney > > IT Director > > AMS (IETF Secretariat) Content-Description: rfcmarkup.htm > --> > --> --> > > > > > >
 
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<type 'exceptions.TypeError'>		 >Python 2.6.6: /usr/local/bin/python
Mon Jun 27 23:12:56 2011
> >

A problem occurred in a Python script. Here is the sequence of > function calls leading up to the error, in the order they occurred.

> > > > > > > >
 /www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in ()
 1359     if "--help" in sys.argv:
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 1360         usage()
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 1361         sys.exit()
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 1363     markup()
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markup = <function markup>
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 /www/tools.ietf.org/tools/rfcmarkup/rfcmarkup in markup()
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  900         elif rfc:
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  901             attribs.update(stateinfo("rfc%s" % (rfc)))
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  902             args["favicon"] = "/images/rfc.png"
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  903             if filetext("/home/ietf/rfc/meta/rfc%s.errata" % rfc):
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attribs = {'doc': 'rfc6297', 'docreplaces': 'draft-ietf-ledbat-survey-07', 'document': 'draft-ietf-ledbat-survey-07', 'extrastyle': 'body {background-color:#fee;}', 'rfc-repository': 'http://www.rfc-editor.org/authors', 'title': 'RFC-EDITOR AUTH48 REVIEW COPY', 'topmenu': 'true'}, attribs.update = <built-in method update of dict object>, stateinfo = <function stateinfo>, rfc = '6297'

<type 'exceptions.TypeError'>: 'NoneType' object is not iterable >
      args = > ("'NoneType' object is not iterable",) >
      message = > "'NoneType' object is not iterable" > > > > From glen@amsl.com Mon Jun 27 07:23:54 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F80111E80D3 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:23:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.066 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.066 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.533, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ToQsk6UQ--53 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B7611E80DC for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:23:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4B3D51C3852B; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:23:52 -0700 From: Glen To: Stephen Farrell Message-ID: <20110627142352.GC21782@amsl.com> References: <20110627140827.GA21782@amsl.com> <4E0890FB.4020604@cs.tcd.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E0890FB.4020604@cs.tcd.ie> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Slowdown recurring - Potential datatracker issue causing web server failure X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:23:54 -0000 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 03:17:31PM +0100, Stephen Farrell wrote: > Just one possibility - I just switched to firefox 5.0. > Hard to see it being that, but I guess if the tracker > is doing something with the UA string it could be. If > you want, I can revert to 4.whatever-it-was and see if > that works ok. Meanwhile, I'll stay in readonly mode > for a bit I guess in case it is me causing it;-) I did too. No point in reverting unless we could get every user in the world to revert... which we can't. :-) Glen From glen@amsl.com Mon Jun 27 07:37:24 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC2D21F8656 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:37:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.400, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jfZB+7NKoBTv for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6043621F8655 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 59CA21C3852B; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:37:23 -0700 From: Glen To: tools-development@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110627143723.GD21782@amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Data on slowdowns X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:37:24 -0000 Tools team - You've already read my report to the I*** in which I explained my findings thus far. My data at this point is as follows: At 0315, the server appeared to be running normally: ---------------------------------------- Mon Jun 27 03:15:01 PDT 2011 w: 03:15:01 up 9:20, 2 users, load average: 1.04, 2.30, 2.12 USER TTY LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT root xvc0 21:29 4:37m 0.22s 0.22s bash henrik pts/2 18:09 9:05m 0.04s 0.04s bash -i vmstat: procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu---- r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa 3 1 76 1922680 2046980 10300904 0 0 129 172 144 8 6 1 90 2 free -lmt: total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 16394 14518 1876 0 1999 10059 Low: 16394 14518 1876 High: 0 0 0 -/+ buffers/cache: 2459 13935 Swap: 8189 0 8189 Total: 24584 14518 10066 None of the apache processes appeared to have been impacted yet: 11787 root 20 0 475m 69m 10m S 0 0.4 1:20.26 httpd2-prefork 19352 wwwrun 20 0 569m 97m 6564 S 0 0.6 0:01.50 httpd2-prefork 19847 wwwrun 20 0 555m 89m 6356 S 0 0.5 0:00.56 httpd2-prefork 19869 wwwrun 20 0 565m 93m 6380 S 0 0.6 0:00.76 httpd2-prefork 19877 wwwrun 20 0 476m 63m 3484 S 0 0.4 0:00.14 httpd2-prefork 19986 wwwrun 20 0 476m 62m 3260 S 4 0.4 0:00.08 httpd2-prefork 20005 wwwrun 20 0 476m 62m 3260 S 0 0.4 0:00.10 httpd2-prefork 20012 wwwrun 20 0 555m 89m 6356 S 0 0.5 0:00.52 httpd2-prefork 20028 wwwrun 20 0 476m 61m 2092 S 4 0.4 0:00.08 httpd2-prefork 20029 wwwrun 20 0 556m 90m 6384 R 8 0.5 0:00.68 httpd2-prefork 20030 wwwrun 20 0 476m 62m 3236 S 0 0.4 0:00.08 httpd2-prefork 20031 wwwrun 20 0 568m 94m 6412 S 0 0.6 0:00.72 httpd2-prefork 20033 wwwrun 20 0 476m 62m 3188 S 0 0.4 0:00.02 httpd2-prefork 20059 wwwrun 20 0 568m 93m 5472 S 0 0.6 0:00.74 httpd2-prefork 20081 wwwrun 20 0 558m 87m 5436 R 82 0.5 0:00.68 httpd2-prefork 20097 wwwrun 20 0 476m 61m 2020 S 0 0.4 0:00.02 httpd2-prefork 20106 wwwrun 20 0 476m 62m 3204 S 4 0.4 0:00.06 httpd2-prefork 20107 wwwrun 20 0 479m 65m 3248 S 0 0.4 0:00.36 httpd2-prefork 20119 wwwrun 20 0 476m 61m 2032 S 0 0.4 0:00.06 httpd2-prefork 20120 wwwrun 20 0 476m 61m 2012 S 0 0.4 0:00.02 httpd2-prefork 20141 wwwrun 20 0 556m 86m 5088 D 78 0.5 0:00.44 httpd2-prefork 20252 wwwrun 20 0 475m 59m 852 S 0 0.4 0:00.00 httpd2-prefork By 0320, things were going downhill: ---------------------------------------- Mon Jun 27 03:20:01 PDT 2011 Load average still looked okay (w): 03:20:01 up 9:25, 2 users, load average: 3.16, 3.43, 2.76 USER TTY LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT root xvc0 21:29 4:42m 0.22s 0.22s bash henrik pts/2 18:09 9:10m 0.04s 0.04s bash -i But check out the free memory (from free -lmt, down 10GB from 5 minutes ago): total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 16394 15354 1040 0 8 2326 Low: 16394 15354 1040 High: 0 0 0 -/+ buffers/cache: 13020 3374 Swap: 8189 0 8189 Total: 24584 15354 9229 And note that two of the apache processes were now using that 10GB: 21095 wwwrun 20 0 0 0 0 Z 0 0.0 0:04.72 httpd2-pr 11787 root 20 0 475m 69m 10m S 0 0.4 1:26.33 httpd2-prefork 20804 wwwrun 20 0 8999m 8.2g 5324 R 71 51.2 3:38.15 httpd2-prefork 20988 wwwrun 20 0 3386m 2.8g 6300 R 58 17.5 1:28.75 httpd2-prefork 20991 wwwrun 20 0 568m 95m 6564 D 0 0.6 0:01.72 httpd2-prefork 20994 wwwrun 20 0 560m 89m 6144 D 0 0.5 0:10.74 httpd2-prefork 21019 wwwrun 20 0 567m 95m 6488 D 0 0.6 0:04.12 httpd2-prefork By 0325, we were thrashing: ---------------------------------------- Mon Jun 27 03:25:10 PDT 2011 03:25:19 up 9:30, 2 users, load average: 63.64, 39.90, 18.77 USER TTY LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT root xvc0 21:29 4:47m 0.22s 0.22s bash henrik pts/2 18:09 9:16m 0.04s 0.04s bash -i procs -----------memory---------- ---swap-- -----io---- -system-- ----cpu---- r b swpd free buff cache si so bi bo in cs us sy id wa 38 5 1040428 844356 2928 662264 1 4 134 174 101 14 6 2 89 3 total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 16394 15560 834 0 2 648 Low: 16394 15560 834 High: 0 0 0 -/+ buffers/cache: 14909 1485 Swap: 8189 1026 7162 Total: 24584 16587 7997 11787 root 20 0 475m 33m 9364 S 0 0.2 1:28.48 httpd2-prefork 20804 wwwrun 20 0 11.5g 6.5g 5236 R 7 40.3 13:32.55 httpd2-prefork 20988 wwwrun 20 0 6150m 3.8g 6196 R 6 23.8 11:25.67 httpd2-prefork 20991 wwwrun 20 0 571m 58m 6520 S 0 0.4 1:17.19 httpd2-prefork 20994 wwwrun 20 0 577m 69m 6608 D 0 0.4 1:44.54 httpd2-prefork 21019 wwwrun 20 0 577m 69m 6592 S 0 0.4 1:43.82 httpd2-prefork Note that two apache processes were impacted. When I do a grep on POST requests from the datatracker log around this time frame, I see nothing but POST /doc/search/ requests, except for these two identical requests, at just the right time: 134.226.56.7 - - [27/Jun/2011:03:16:57 -0700] "POST /doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/position/ HTTP/1.1" 302 - "https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/position/" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:5.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/5.0" 134.226.56.7 - - [27/Jun/2011:03:19:07 -0700] "POST /doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/position/ HTTP/1.1" 302 - "https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/position/" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:5.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/5.0" The next slowdown occurred starting between 0510 and 0515. And here again I see similar requests: 134.226.56.7 - - [27/Jun/2011:05:11:38 -0700] "POST /doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/position/ HTTP/1.1" 302 - "https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/position/" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:5.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/5.0" 213.145.205.249 - - [27/Jun/2011:05:14:55 -0700] "POST /submit/status/33455/f52ef05298cd7945af3596bafd20aa63/ HTTP/1.1" 200 33982 "https://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/status/33455/f52ef05298cd7945af3596bafd20aa63/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3" 213.145.205.249 - - [27/Jun/2011:05:15:05 -0700] "POST /submit/status/33455/confirm/aeb3677f2a2be33d87708522a2da1fae935688fa/ HTTP/1.1" 200 33245 "http://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/status/33455/confirm/aeb3677f2a2be33d87708522a2da1fae935688fa/" "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3" I am thinking that something might be wrong with either the code, or the database entry, relating to ballot positions. Thoughts would be welcome! Glen From glen@amsl.com Mon Jun 27 07:44:04 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D813011E80E7; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:44:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.279 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.279 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.320, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16bF0wFVfrFX; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 789D411E80E6; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6AD611C3853B; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:44:04 -0700 From: Glen To: iesg@ietf.org, iaoc@ietf.org, iab@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110627144404.GA29259@amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , Pete Resnick , henrik@levkowetz.com, Stephen Farrell Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Narrowing the slowdown down... X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:44:05 -0000 All - I have sent detailed data to the tools team and Henrik, but I wanted to alert everyone to a pattern I've seen during my analysis: This request: POST /doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/position/ HTTP/1.1" 302 - https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/position/ was seen in the logs at the start of both slowdowns, and I now suspect that there may be database corruption and/or some problem with the code related either to ballot positions generally, or this draft specifically. It comes to my mind that, while I was gone, a request came in to clear the ballot positions for a draft, which the secretariat did. This may have been the draft that was cleared - and clearing it may have caused some type of problem for the datatracker. Of course, the datatracker should not loop or fail even if data is bad, but not all possibilities can be forseen. It is my hope that we will both be able to correct a potential database problem, and find and harden a potential datatracker bug, quickly. In the meantime, until we hear from the tools team, it might be best to at least refrain from voting on the above draft, if not all drafts. If you do vote on a draft, and get a response, don't get too excited either way. The server actually survives for an hour or more once the bug starts using resources (I'm actually proud of this - it's a HUGE server with lots of resources - the old servers would have died much more quickly. ;-) so things can appear okay for a while. Now that we know what to look for, we can catch it earlier, but I'm still hopeful for a quick fix and repair today. Thanks, Glen From glen@amsl.com Mon Jun 27 07:44:59 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C9A011E80E7 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:44:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.332 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.332 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.267, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Rg9PEKTiX-zQ for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC3811E80E6 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A95F81C3852F; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:44:58 -0700 From: Glen To: Stephen Farrell Message-ID: <20110627144458.GB29259@amsl.com> References: <20110627140827.GA21782@amsl.com> <4E0890FB.4020604@cs.tcd.ie> <20110627142352.GC21782@amsl.com> <4E089682.5070401@cs.tcd.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E089682.5070401@cs.tcd.ie> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Slowdown recurring - Potential datatracker issue causing web server failure X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:44:59 -0000 Excellent, Steve, and good point. It now does appear that updating the ballot positions may be the problem... I just sent an update to the I**** . We need to wait for tools team analysis but I see you cc'ed them so that will certainly be appreciated by them! Glen On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 03:41:06PM +0100, Stephen Farrell wrote: > > > On 27/06/11 15:23, Glen wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 03:17:31PM +0100, Stephen Farrell wrote: > >> Just one possibility - I just switched to firefox 5.0. > >> Hard to see it being that, but I guess if the tracker > >> is doing something with the UA string it could be. If > >> you want, I can revert to 4.whatever-it-was and see if > >> that works ok. Meanwhile, I'll stay in readonly mode > >> for a bit I guess in case it is me causing it;-) > > > > I did too. No point in reverting unless we could get every user in the world > > to revert... which we can't. :-) > > Indeed. But it could just be that the save-and-send > form processor is reacting there somehow. As I said, I'll > stay readonly for a bit but can press buttons for folks > if asked > > S. > From rjsparks@nostrum.com Mon Jun 27 07:50:02 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43D911E80F7; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JNRvh+AWqKYz; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (shaman.nostrum.com [72.232.179.90]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD0211E80E0; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:50:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dn3-177.estacado.net (vicuna-alt.estacado.net [75.53.54.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5REmFsq022271 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:48:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <20110627144404.GA29259@amsl.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:48:15 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <0A2F9BE9-D22D-4D90-A296-5C2A60BEFE7B@nostrum.com> References: <20110627144404.GA29259@amsl.com> To: Glen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 75.53.54.121 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: IETF WG chairs , iab@ietf.org, IETF Tools Development , IAOC , Gonzalo Camarillo , Dan Romascanu , The IESG , pete resnick , Henrik Levkowetz , Stephen Farrell Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Narrowing the slowdown down... X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:50:02 -0000 This was not the draft that was cleared. On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:44 AM, Glen wrote: > All - >=20 > I have sent detailed data to the tools team and Henrik, but I wanted = to alert > everyone to a pattern I've seen during my analysis: >=20 > This request: >=20 > POST /doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/position/ HTTP/1.1" 302 -=20= > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/positi= on/ >=20 > was seen in the logs at the start of both slowdowns, and I now suspect = that > there may be database corruption and/or some problem with the code = related > either to ballot positions generally, or this draft specifically. >=20 > It comes to my mind that, while I was gone, a request came in to clear = the > ballot positions for a draft, which the secretariat did. This may = have been > the draft that was cleared - and clearing it may have caused some type = of > problem for the datatracker. >=20 > Of course, the datatracker should not loop or fail even if data is = bad, but > not all possibilities can be forseen. >=20 > It is my hope that we will both be able to correct a potential = database > problem, and find and harden a potential datatracker bug, quickly. >=20 > In the meantime, until we hear from the tools team, it might be best = to > at least refrain from voting on the above draft, if not all drafts. >=20 > If you do vote on a draft, and get a response, don't get too excited = either > way. The server actually survives for an hour or more once the bug = starts > using resources (I'm actually proud of this - it's a HUGE server with = lots > of resources - the old servers would have died much more quickly. ;-) = so > things can appear okay for a while. >=20 > Now that we know what to look for, we can catch it earlier, but I'm = still > hopeful for a quick fix and repair today. >=20 > Thanks, > Glen > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From glen@amsl.com Mon Jun 27 07:53:34 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86CD121F85EE; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.37 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.37 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.229, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BXE-1uX3nHEf; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BEB21F85DE; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 30EBC1C38536; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 07:53:34 -0700 From: Glen To: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <20110627145334.GB30705@amsl.com> References: <20110627144404.GA29259@amsl.com> <0A2F9BE9-D22D-4D90-A296-5C2A60BEFE7B@nostrum.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0A2F9BE9-D22D-4D90-A296-5C2A60BEFE7B@nostrum.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: IETF WG chairs , iab@ietf.org, IETF Tools Development , IAOC , Gonzalo Camarillo , Dan Romascanu , The IESG , pete resnick , Henrik Levkowetz , Stephen Farrell Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Narrowing the slowdown down... X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:53:34 -0000 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 09:48:15AM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: > This was not the draft that was cleared. Ahh, thank you Robert. That means that (hopefully) the secretariat's action was not related to this. But we still do have a problem either with this draft, the database, or the datatracker. I'm going to make the 20 minute run to the office in a bit, but we will keep watching to make sure things are cool. We'll try and do some more testing later this morning (Pacific time), but I hope the tools team beats me to it. :-) Glen From rjsparks@nostrum.com Mon Jun 27 08:14:26 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB04B11E80F6; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jfi3x0N4SKlR; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (shaman.nostrum.com [72.232.179.90]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F4F711E80DC; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:14:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dn3-177.estacado.net (vicuna-alt.estacado.net [75.53.54.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5RFAuZj024509 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:11:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <20110627145334.GB30705@amsl.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:10:54 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <30E33A92-C3E7-4E09-8CF2-C59824815358@nostrum.com> References: <20110627144404.GA29259@amsl.com> <0A2F9BE9-D22D-4D90-A296-5C2A60BEFE7B@nostrum.com> <20110627145334.GB30705@amsl.com> To: Glen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 75.53.54.121 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: IETF WG chairs , iab@ietf.org, IETF Tools Development , IAOC , Gonzalo Camarillo , Dan Romascanu , The IESG , pete resnick , Henrik Levkowetz , Stephen Farrell Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Narrowing the slowdown down... X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:14:26 -0000 I have reproduced the failure on a local instance and believe it to be = related to the code that formats email messages before we send them. Henrik is looking at that now. The trigger was the URL Stephen entered (the spaces at the beginning of = the line have to be there to trigger the bug) [1] = http://tools.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url1=3Drfc3016&url2=3Ddraft-ietf-payload-rfc= 3016bis-01.txt RjS On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:53 AM, Glen wrote: > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 09:48:15AM -0500, Robert Sparks wrote: >> This was not the draft that was cleared. >=20 > Ahh, thank you Robert. That means that (hopefully) the secretariat's = action > was not related to this. >=20 > But we still do have a problem either with this draft, the database, = or the > datatracker. I'm going to make the 20 minute run to the office in a = bit, but > we will keep watching to make sure things are cool. We'll try and do = some > more testing later this morning (Pacific time), but I hope the tools = team > beats me to it. :-) >=20 > Glen From rjsparks@nostrum.com Mon Jun 27 08:24:20 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A84E621F865C; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:24:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L1KMe65jiIbp; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (shaman.nostrum.com [72.232.179.90]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D70421F865B; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dn3-177.estacado.net (vicuna-alt.estacado.net [75.53.54.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5RFMu7G025890 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:22:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <4E089F70.8090709@ericsson.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:22:56 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <641D409C-31C9-4F8D-A67E-B6B60BBC7656@nostrum.com> References: <20110627144404.GA29259@amsl.com> <4E089F70.8090709@ericsson.com> To: Magnus Westerlund X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 75.53.54.121 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: "wgchairs@ietf.org" , "iab@ietf.org" , "tools-development@ietf.org" , "iaoc@ietf.org" , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , "iesg@ietf.org" , Pete Resnick , "henrik@levkowetz.com" Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Narrowing the slowdown down... X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:24:20 -0000 Hi Magnus - Thanks for helping brainstorm. In this case, I'm pretty confident that = the history of the document has no impact on the bug. RjS On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Magnus Westerlund wrote: > Hi Glen, >=20 > This might help you. >=20 > This document is from AVT that was concluded and then split into 4 WGs > and the documents got re-assigned to the new WGs. I have earlier filed > several ticket on the WG tracker regarding documents that has not > correctly accessible despite it showing up as WG document. Apparently > there is more than one field that contains which WG the document = belongs > to. Henrik should know more about this issue. >=20 > So it is not surprising if there are issues around AVTs old documents = as > they have been re-assigned. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Magnus >=20 >=20 > On 2011-06-27 16:44, Glen wrote: >> All - >>=20 >> I have sent detailed data to the tools team and Henrik, but I wanted = to alert >> everyone to a pattern I've seen during my analysis: >>=20 >> This request: >>=20 >> POST /doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/position/ HTTP/1.1" 302 = -=20 >> = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-payload-rfc3016bis/edit/positi= on/ >>=20 >> was seen in the logs at the start of both slowdowns, and I now = suspect that >> there may be database corruption and/or some problem with the code = related >> either to ballot positions generally, or this draft specifically. >>=20 >> It comes to my mind that, while I was gone, a request came in to = clear the >> ballot positions for a draft, which the secretariat did. This may = have been >> the draft that was cleared - and clearing it may have caused some = type of >> problem for the datatracker. >>=20 >> Of course, the datatracker should not loop or fail even if data is = bad, but >> not all possibilities can be forseen. >>=20 >> It is my hope that we will both be able to correct a potential = database >> problem, and find and harden a potential datatracker bug, quickly. >>=20 >> In the meantime, until we hear from the tools team, it might be best = to >> at least refrain from voting on the above draft, if not all drafts. >>=20 >> If you do vote on a draft, and get a response, don't get too excited = either >> way. The server actually survives for an hour or more once the bug = starts >> using resources (I'm actually proud of this - it's a HUGE server with = lots >> of resources - the old servers would have died much more quickly. ;-) = so >> things can appear okay for a while. >>=20 >> Now that we know what to look for, we can catch it earlier, but I'm = still >> hopeful for a quick fix and repair today. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Glen >>=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 >=20 > Magnus Westerlund >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Multimedia Technologies, Ericsson Research EAB/TVM > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Ericsson AB | Phone +46 10 7148287 > F=E4r=F6gatan 6 | Mobile +46 73 0949079 > SE-164 80 Stockholm, Sweden| mailto: magnus.westerlund@ericsson.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 From glen@amsl.com Mon Jun 27 09:00:00 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7786311E80C7; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:00:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -105.361 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-105.361 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.838, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=2.077, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jxxeU-BFxc01; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B11611E809B; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1878D1C3852B; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:00:00 -0700 From: Glen To: iesg@ietf.org, iaoc@ietf.org, iab@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110627160000.GB13222@amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: Magnus Westerlund , tools-development@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , Pete Resnick , henrik@levkowetz.com, Stephen Farrell Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] PROBLEM SOLVED!!! X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:00:00 -0000 All - Fantastic news! I have just heard from Henrik, who informs me that Robert Sparks was not only able to duplicate the issue, but actually find the bug, and provide a patch for it, which Henrik tells me has now been applied to the datatracker. So there was a bug in the datatracker, and it was resolved, thanks to the very excellent effort of Robert Sparks. THANK YOU ROBERT! And thank you Henrik for helping, and letting me know! We'll keep watching... Glen From glen@amsl.com Mon Jun 27 09:06:06 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF81811E80C7; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:06:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.306 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.306 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.293, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id auNjpz8LvD5k; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0B011E809B; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2D2741C3852F; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:06:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:06:06 -0700 From: Glen To: iesg@ietf.org, iaoc@ietf.org, iab@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110627160606.GA14413@amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: Magnus Westerlund , tools-development@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , Pete Resnick , henrik@levkowetz.com, Stephen Farrell Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Rebooting momentarily X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:06:07 -0000 All - In my haste a few hours ago to regain control of our impacted server, I halted the rsync server (since it was running a number of rsyncs.) I have restarted it, and it is working. But to ensure that everything is "fresh and clean" after the loading, I am going to reboot the ietfa production server momentarily... at, say, 0910PDT (five minutes from now.) This should only take a minute or two, and there is no need to panic. I will be watching the whole thing. But I'd like the server to have the chance to clean up, just as a reliability thing. Glen From rjsparks@nostrum.com Mon Jun 27 09:07:39 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DFCA11E80D3; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RGcaVoJtO2wV; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (shaman.nostrum.com [72.232.179.90]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DB211E80C7; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dn3-177.estacado.net (vicuna-alt.estacado.net [75.53.54.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id p5RG4odh029741 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:04:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Robert Sparks In-Reply-To: <20110627160000.GB13222@amsl.com> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 11:04:49 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8CB04C3F-F30E-4C21-A06D-4A7296F89617@nostrum.com> References: <20110627160000.GB13222@amsl.com> To: Glen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 75.53.54.121 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org, iab@ietf.org, tools-development@ietf.org, Magnus Westerlund , iaoc@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , iesg@ietf.org, Pete Resnick , henrik@levkowetz.com, Stephen Farrell Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] PROBLEM SOLVED!!! X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:07:39 -0000 Henrik actually did all the code work - I just got lucky on diagnostics, = isolating an input that stimulated the bug. On Jun 27, 2011, at 11:00 AM, Glen wrote: > All - >=20 > Fantastic news! >=20 > I have just heard from Henrik, who informs me that Robert Sparks was = not only > able to duplicate the issue, but actually find the bug, and provide a = patch > for it, which Henrik tells me has now been applied to the datatracker. >=20 > So there was a bug in the datatracker, and it was resolved, thanks to = the > very excellent effort of Robert Sparks. >=20 > THANK YOU ROBERT! >=20 > And thank you Henrik for helping, and letting me know! >=20 > We'll keep watching... >=20 > Glen From glen@amsl.com Mon Jun 27 09:15:03 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C425511E807A; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:15:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.335 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.335 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.264, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h-s1qb7IW1h5; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:15:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [64.170.98.20]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCC911E80DB; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by c1a.amsl.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3C7431C3852F; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:14:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:14:52 -0700 From: Glen To: iesg@ietf.org, iaoc@ietf.org, iab@ietf.org, wgchairs@ietf.org Message-ID: <20110627161452.GA15935@amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Cc: Magnus Westerlund , tools-development@ietf.org, Gonzalo Camarillo , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , Pete Resnick , henrik@levkowetz.com, Stephen Farrell Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Rebooting momentarily X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 16:15:03 -0000 All - And we're up and happy. Thank you all for your patience and support during this "fun" weekend! Warmest regards, Glen Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat) From rdroms.ietf@gmail.com Mon Jun 27 14:18:14 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76FC21F864B; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:18:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SgMhcZf3xOen; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:18:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.216.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9817C21F8647; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by qyk9 with SMTP id 9so2128167qyk.10 for ; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:18:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=YP+cAofv0OLH2jDa90ldWQhDyhPTHFfsoxhaRrQss2k=; b=aFH7NtTpq883NoO1Pan7JR7c10FruRC4FUOqmyt9Cv6kPirzHCDG1f3UFVJdfoTrC1 b1VVXrt51lCJy/lgyFAXLIwW8Db3iZU7V1zvCgqbG4eJyIAohcfJSuyfFy7jXRt817lR VxFuvmKgcqcP3zPW6iGu28yOwyHGPj/cqvaAE= Received: by 10.224.89.1 with SMTP id c1mr1611270qam.7.1309209491381; Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:18:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bxb-rdroms-8718.cisco.com (198-135-0-233.cisco.com [198.135.0.233]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id o20sm816661qcr.1.2011.06.27.14.18.09 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 27 Jun 2011 14:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Ralph Droms In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 17:18:07 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <58DB5C77-43A5-445A-8400-92293BF3C212@gmail.com> References: <20110627161452.GA15935@amsl.com> To: Glen Barney X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: Magnus Westerlund , iab@ietf.org, tools-development@ietf.org, Marshall Eubanks , Working Chairs Group , IAOC , Gonzalo Camarillo , "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , Ralph Droms , Pete Resnick , Stephen Farrell , Levkowetz Henrik , IESG IESG Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [IAOC] Rebooting momentarily X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 21:18:15 -0000 On Jun 27, 2011, at 12:32 PM 6/27/11, Marshall Eubanks wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Glen wrote: > All - > > And we're up and happy. > > Thank you all for your patience and support during this "fun" weekend! > > > Thank you for your attention and hard work. +1 - Ralph > > Marshall > > Warmest regards, > Glen > Glen Barney > IT Director > AMS (IETF Secretariat) > > _______________________________________________ > IAOC mailing list > IAOC@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/iaoc >