From adrian@olddog.co.uk Mon Oct 17 09:41:41 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F52021F8C0E; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:41:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.645 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.645 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DyKvgrQzgdiR; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:41:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (asmtp1.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.248]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B17D21F8C0C; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 09:41:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from asmtp1.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p9HGfVOM006583; Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:41:31 +0100 Received: from 950129200 (dsl-sp-81-140-15-32.in-addr.broadbandscope.com [81.140.15.32]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp1.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id p9HGfU2v006577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:41:31 +0100 From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 17:41:30 +0100 Message-ID: <031301cc8ceb$9f9a3b30$deceb190$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AcyM6512amgVo5CHQfuOMUiMn2im7Q== Content-language: en-gb Cc: iesg-secretary@iesg.org, iesg@ietf.org Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Odd results from IPR search tool X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 16:41:41 -0000 http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?option=rfc_search&rfc_search=2672 is giving me loads of unrelated documents From rpelletier@isoc.org Tue Oct 18 19:51:08 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507F221F848B for ; 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Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:51:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Ray Pelletier Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3--764434368 Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 22:51:05 -0400 X-Priority: 3 References: <206094062.1318992580607.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2wl011.webex.com> To: tools-development@ietf.org Message-Id: <6AD0B8A1-BD95-4880-8D26-85B9CA372A7B@isoc.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 02:51:08 -0000 --Apple-Mail-3--764434368 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Begin forwarded message: > From: Ray Pelletier > Date: October 18, 2011 10:49:40 PM EDT > To: rpelletier@isoc.org > Subject: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte > Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org >=20 >=20 > **** You can forward this email invitation to attendees ****=20 >=20 > Hello ,=20 >=20 > Ray Pelletier invites you to attend this online meeting.=20 >=20 > Topic: Tools Cmte=20 > Date: Wednesday, October 19, 2011=20 > Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)=20 > Meeting Number: 969 385 871=20 > Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > 1. 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Date: October 18, 2011 = 10:49:40 PM EDT
To: rpelletier@isoc.org
Subject: (Forward to = attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte
Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org


**** You can forward this email invitation to attendees = ****

Hello ,

Ray Pelletier invites you to attend = this online meeting.

Topic: Tools Cmte
Date: Wednesday, = October 19, 2011
Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, = GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 969 385 871
Meeting Password: (This = meeting does not require a password.)


= -------------------------------------------------------
To join the = online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)
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= --Apple-Mail-3--764434368-- From housley@vigilsec.com Wed Oct 19 03:59:42 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3353D21F8BB1 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:59:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.581 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.581 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.018, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L07YVK6lP6Tb for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B590A21F8B9E for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 03:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1F9F2408D; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 06:59:56 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jKxc3w2vIhMl; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 06:59:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.107] (pool-96-231-29-247.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.231.29.247]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270A3F24003; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 06:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <6AD0B8A1-BD95-4880-8D26-85B9CA372A7B@isoc.org> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 06:59:39 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <96B9A098-0293-4CCD-82CE-10CE9DD6A64C@vigilsec.com> References: <206094062.1318992580607.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2wl011.webex.com> <6AD0B8A1-BD95-4880-8D26-85B9CA372A7B@isoc.org> To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 10:59:42 -0000 I will join the tools call today, but I will probably be 10-15 minutes late. Sorry, Russ From conte@isoc.org Wed Oct 19 08:34:55 2011 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E5D421F8B7C for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:34:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oea57f9axXRX for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp204.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.204]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B330C21F8ACC for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:34:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp50.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A937A370D49 for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:34:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp50.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: conte-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id B4038370D4E for ; Wed, 19 Oct 2011 11:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Steve Conte Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 08:34:45 -0700 Message-Id: To: tools-development@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1244.3) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1244.3) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IETF Tools Call - 19 Oct 2011 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 15:34:55 -0000 IETF Tools Call - 19 October 2011 Attendees: Ray Pelletier Bob Hinden Steve Conte Robert Sparks=20 Henrik Levkowetz Alice Hagens Peter Saint Andre Glen Barney Alexa Morris Russ Housley Agenda: 1. Taipei Code Sprint RjS: Same approach as of last several sprints. Page from CS wiki has a = list of items for folks to work on. Small set of coders, but they're active so should get = a lot done HL: Some projects have come up that could benefit from the sprint. - Generate alias files that would let mail system host draft author = aliases on ietf.org server - Implement extraction of submission author from xml files.=20 RjS: Also work on the WG Chair tracker=20 Are we in the terminal room? Put food in a separate room. 2. Project Update a. DB Conversion WO #6 - IOLA =09 HL: IOLA well into WO6, but developer is on parental leave. = Back and working in about 2 weeks. 1-2 weeks after that, the immediate conversion = work should be complete. Ryan Cross to work with him on Secretariat tools. After = that a better idea of how much work is left and be able to schedule trials to do = changeover and then do the=20 changeover=20 =09 b. Charter Milestone Management Specs Dev - Hoffman =09 Have not gone to requested bid yet for actual work RH: either in Lact Call or IESG Review, but close to send out to = IDIQ bidders unless we use those who did the charter work. Will most likely be = ready by EoM to determine who to send it to. =09 c. Alt Streams Dev Enhancements - Yaco =09 HL: Essentially done. Don't have tests by users. = Waiting/wanting more input from users. If no new input, then suggest we implement.=20 RP: Agree. Is there a need for training and if so, can it be = done in Taipei HL: Isn't so complex that they need training. If they can't = understand what's there by user interface, then we need to fix the user interface. =09 d. Back End Development - IOLA =09 HL: Developer has done everything he can. Has put in place most = of requested but has proposal to IANA. Hasn't seen any replies. Should probably nudge = IANA to respond. HL to=20 reach out to IANA. AH: is there something that RFC Editor to be looking at? HL: will be using current XML format. Developer will also = implement and undo function=20 =09 e. Draft Tracking Support IETF Community Dev - Yaco =09 HL: next step is to get beta site set up to test (Developer to = set up). If all is ok, then done. =09 f. RFC Management - AMS =09 GB: No updates at this time =09 g. Telechat Interface - AMS 3. RFPs a. Remote Participation Services Specifications = Development =09 RP: RFP going out today PSA: Are those requirements the kinds of things that = people expect to be in the=20 specifications or is that the hard list RH: it's the kind of things that we've seen in the past = and things that would like to be in the specification.. is the strawman =09 b. Agenda Scheduling Tool Development =09 RP: RFP going out by end of week=20 RjS: Will it go out to IDIQ vendors? RP: No, it will go out broadly 4. Forecast CTD: $198K In Work: $96.5 Awaiting Work: $73k Budget: $429k Forecast: $368k 5. AOB =20 RjS: Spoke about an email archive search tool. Have people in = markmail investigate internally to see if it can fit IETF needs. RH: Tried to get Google to look at it and was unsuccessful to get = comments HL: Looked at markmail and found resistence to get into it to use it=20= RH: Why don't we end research part and just publish RFP to get it = out to bid=20 --- =20 AH: XML RFC list question about libraries. Once mail is going = through, who is that and what's the long term maintanence for library HL: Current is sitting on one of the tools server. Long term should = have a different solution Should be part of the regular maintanence. RH: Agree that we need to figure out where we want them (ietf.org = and/or rfc-editor.org) and make it happen. 2nd is which party is responsible=20 =20 =20 ----- Steve Conte Internet Leadership Programmes The Internet Society conte@isoc.org