From housley@vigilsec.com Fri Jan 6 05:48:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 962D321F869E for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 05:48:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X6nrwu4UI1RP for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 05:48:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DE221F84FC for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 05:48:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F1FEF24024 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:48:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aDbpOOFniWC6 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:48:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.43.193] (unknown [198.232.60.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141399A47D1 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:48:27 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:48:03 -0500 Message-Id: <7C92CB79-B5BC-426A-9C98-1D60D5B17708@vigilsec.com> To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] PPTX Support X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 13:48:15 -0000 Currently, participants can upload slides in .ppt and .pdf files. The = new PowerPoint has become fairly well deployed. What will it take to = allow .pptx before the Paris meeting? Russ From bob.hinden@gmail.com Fri Jan 6 07:13:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F16D921F87B0 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:13:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.200, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t-cXjWkqoXpc for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:13:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-iy0-f172.google.com (mail-iy0-f172.google.com [209.85.210.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D0A21F87BA for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: by iabz21 with SMTP id z21so3037438iab.31 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:13:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=HvTBj54/9guRT4lH+Tyxy7Lia3/EGvGuvXA+8voOorg=; b=MqjS14Sv7phQQ8h9JmuNGECY7bQEZy+XHps7tD5/pf32QlhfPo5FT46zcOSdVlnuJP 0N0uQUL2biwrOpjO7SsG/qZlcrLrcRjnDUSgdMU486B57OSNP34Qu9U4oNilznMgSUnJ PvZ9DXNB64VODraL7ki91HkTXEonBPgv6OHHU= Received: by 10.50.163.101 with SMTP id yh5mr7544940igb.29.1325862810755; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.0.0.27] (c-69-181-250-158.hsd1.ca.comcast.net. [69.181.250.158]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r18sm214784012ibh.4.2012.01.06.07.13.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:13:28 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <7C92CB79-B5BC-426A-9C98-1D60D5B17708@vigilsec.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:13:26 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8E88C02E-E880-4EE5-8C00-7DA8F3F64A7F@gmail.com> References: <7C92CB79-B5BC-426A-9C98-1D60D5B17708@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] PPTX Support X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:13:35 -0000 Russ, On Jan 6, 2012, at 5:48 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Currently, participants can upload slides in .ppt and .pdf files. The = new PowerPoint has become fairly well deployed. What will it take to = allow .pptx before the Paris meeting? What you say is true (I upgraded to Office 2011 for Mac yesterday), but = the ability to also create pdf has also become very widespread. Why not = just support pdf and no longer accept ppt (in it's various forms)? Thanks, Bob From housley@vigilsec.com Fri Jan 6 07:36:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A2A21F8877 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:36:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AAjTIVbpUAgq for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BF121F8872 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 07:36:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D4949A47D4; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:37:06 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AkBEEBSCBDEe; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:36:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.43.193] (unknown [198.232.60.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA5E9A47BD; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:37:05 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-8--335347234; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <8E88C02E-E880-4EE5-8C00-7DA8F3F64A7F@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:36:43 -0500 Message-Id: <830E32F6-7502-4A9A-8178-350D08877036@vigilsec.com> References: <7C92CB79-B5BC-426A-9C98-1D60D5B17708@vigilsec.com> <8E88C02E-E880-4EE5-8C00-7DA8F3F64A7F@gmail.com> To: Bob Hinden X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] PPTX Support X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:36:59 -0000 --Apple-Mail-8--335347234 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Bob: >> Currently, participants can upload slides in .ppt and .pdf files. = The new PowerPoint has become fairly well deployed. What will it take = to allow .pptx before the Paris meeting? >=20 > What you say is true (I upgraded to Office 2011 for Mac yesterday), = but the ability to also create pdf has also become very widespread. Why = not just support pdf and no longer accept ppt (in it's various forms)? I find the presentations end up being just a little bit different. The = way that some things "build" is not the same when saved as PDF. And, = tables somehow get messed up too, even between versions of PowerPoint. = For this reason, it is helpful to be able to provide the same version of = PowerPoint to the remote participant. They way, they have a better = chance of seeing the same thing that is shown on the screen in the room. 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[67.127.55.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7sm28241539igv.7.2012.01.06.07.57.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:57:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F0719F5.1050806@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 07:57:41 -0800 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <7C92CB79-B5BC-426A-9C98-1D60D5B17708@vigilsec.com> <8E88C02E-E880-4EE5-8C00-7DA8F3F64A7F@gmail.com> <830E32F6-7502-4A9A-8178-350D08877036@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <830E32F6-7502-4A9A-8178-350D08877036@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] PPTX Support X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 15:57:50 -0000 On 1/6/2012 7:36 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > I find the presentations end up being just a little bit different. The way that some things "build" is not the same when saved as PDF. And, tables somehow get messed up too, even between versions of PowerPoint. For this reason, it is helpful to be able to provide the same version of PowerPoint to the remote participant. They way, they have a better chance of seeing the same thing that is shown on the screen in the room. Perhaps the core requirement is for a stable, universal baseline format that MUST be included for all presentations, and then one or more optional formats that MAY be included.[1] Given that model, supporting any and all popular additional formats is merely a matter of interest and work rather than policy. Presumably, pdf would be the stable, universal, required form. d/ [1] Folks might note some similarity between this meta-model and the way we do protocols. It also would match the current RFC and I-D model of requiring txt but allowing some other formats. From housley@vigilsec.com Fri Jan 6 08:14:38 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0ED21F876C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:14:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NW3-tlRmBIsN for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02D4521F847C for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:14:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68F089A4829; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:14:39 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L10Cy+6e3qJJ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.43.193] (unknown [198.232.60.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6BB9A4827; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:14:38 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4F0719F5.1050806@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 11:14:26 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <28E10EB8-FEE3-4862-9AC5-A6F69554AA42@vigilsec.com> References: <7C92CB79-B5BC-426A-9C98-1D60D5B17708@vigilsec.com> <8E88C02E-E880-4EE5-8C00-7DA8F3F64A7F@gmail.com> <830E32F6-7502-4A9A-8178-350D08877036@vigilsec.com> <4F0719F5.1050806@gmail.com> To: Dave Crocker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development , Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] PPTX Support X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:14:38 -0000 Dave: > On 1/6/2012 7:36 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >> I find the presentations end up being just a little bit different. = The way that some things "build" is not the same when saved as PDF. = And, tables somehow get messed up too, even between versions of = PowerPoint. For this reason, it is helpful to be able to provide the = same version of PowerPoint to the remote participant. They way, they = have a better chance of seeing the same thing that is shown on the = screen in the room. >=20 >=20 > Perhaps the core requirement is for a stable, universal baseline = format that MUST be included for all presentations, and then one or more = optional formats that MAY be included.[1] >=20 > Given that model, supporting any and all popular additional formats is = merely a matter of interest and work rather than policy. >=20 > Presumably, pdf would be the stable, universal, required form. >=20 > d/ >=20 > [1] Folks might note some similarity between this meta-model and the = way we do protocols. It also would match the current RFC and I-D model = of requiring txt but allowing some other formats. Yes, but... The proceedings only include the PDF. As Bob points out, this is = getting better and better across all platforms. I think the needs for following along in real-time are similar, but = slightly different. In this situation, we want to allow the remote = participant to have the greatest possible opportunity to see the same = think on his screen as is being seen in the room. Russ= From dcrocker@gmail.com Fri Jan 6 08:22:42 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0ACE21F88B6 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:22:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.557 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.557 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.042, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DkFj0A5Tsxpp for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com (mail-gx0-f172.google.com [209.85.161.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AEA21F888D for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 08:22:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by ggnk5 with SMTP id k5so868568ggn.31 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:22:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:organization:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=mnxgPmUxcpadstZgvRx881sI8fR0dPjYAmgfJgsutCc=; b=sRVqsKLdrwgdYJpSESf68paMoU5t7BjSMv4C696yDeKQK36Yg6nj77EfrWKygaR77R gFHFgNQXQubek3KqFBewjM+YyH736wMbNi7dv3tBsH6TaJFsun2tu74ZrutqxCAMFbTK 1sNfOJ3eLqZKJK51aSs8QnSZ3aEwAEOZIHssM= Received: by 10.50.191.200 with SMTP id ha8mr7808744igc.27.1325866961712; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:22:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.11] (adsl-67-127-55-53.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net. [67.127.55.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm38009064ibe.8.2012.01.06.08.22.39 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:22:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4F071FC5.8020800@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:22:29 -0800 From: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <7C92CB79-B5BC-426A-9C98-1D60D5B17708@vigilsec.com> <8E88C02E-E880-4EE5-8C00-7DA8F3F64A7F@gmail.com> <830E32F6-7502-4A9A-8178-350D08877036@vigilsec.com> <4F0719F5.1050806@gmail.com> <28E10EB8-FEE3-4862-9AC5-A6F69554AA42@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <28E10EB8-FEE3-4862-9AC5-A6F69554AA42@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: IETF Tools Development , Paul Hoffman Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] PPTX Support X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 16:22:43 -0000 On 1/6/2012 8:14 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > The proceedings only include the PDF. As Bob points out, this is getting > better and better across all platforms. > > I think the needs for following along in real-time are similar, but slightly > different. In this situation, we want to allow the remote participant to > have the greatest possible opportunity to see the same think on his screen as > is being seen in the room. We used to support only txt. We could upgrade the proceedings to include /all/ the versions a presenter includes, but /require/ that there at least be the PDF. If the argument is that the quality of the experience can be better when using an alternative format, then I don't think it matters whether it is in real-time or later. (I also don't see anything that makes it onerous to upgrade the proceedings, if we decide to upgrade the real-time.) One version of "later" is simultaneously watching a video of the presenter speaking and then tracking with the slides. I'll claim that this creates a viewing requirement that is identical to real-time. d/ From bob.hinden@gmail.com Fri Jan 6 10:11:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35C0221F89B0 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:11:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.594 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.594 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5sYvUzZtNqIx for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com (mail-tul01m020-f172.google.com [209.85.214.172]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F34E21F89A8 for ; Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:11:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by obcuz6 with SMTP id uz6so2469878obc.31 for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:11:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=MKDDvKkCdWfr4+nUkElVrUmVFrfF493Rvc75VIjCCtU=; b=on5s0fVbzka4rkBLNOUCLYaorRSl/HUQubxK8z7ChND8nXhg5fDA2pfioT6HHILCPR nBkjtaT2lQzgBTi2NyepKAl0kKZgj8kv2IUAIV6jmk8Wvg62S1lgWlBK2wDOiCV+dsQY O4L7WWqHcFhEDi0lN7w1H2/FjrEfdvSV8k5qI= Received: by 10.50.188.166 with SMTP id gb6mr8279297igc.18.1325873484858; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:11:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.224.217] ([209.97.127.34]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id xu6sm65000404igb.7.2012.01.06.10.11.23 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 06 Jan 2012 10:11:23 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <830E32F6-7502-4A9A-8178-350D08877036@vigilsec.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 10:11:22 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <7C92CB79-B5BC-426A-9C98-1D60D5B17708@vigilsec.com> <8E88C02E-E880-4EE5-8C00-7DA8F3F64A7F@gmail.com> <830E32F6-7502-4A9A-8178-350D08877036@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] PPTX Support X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2012 18:11:31 -0000 Russ, On Jan 6, 2012, at 7:36 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Bob: >=20 >>> Currently, participants can upload slides in .ppt and .pdf files. = The new PowerPoint has become fairly well deployed. What will it take = to allow .pptx before the Paris meeting? >>=20 >> What you say is true (I upgraded to Office 2011 for Mac yesterday), = but the ability to also create pdf has also become very widespread. Why = not just support pdf and no longer accept ppt (in it's various forms)? >=20 > I find the presentations end up being just a little bit different. = The way that some things "build" is not the same when saved as PDF. = And, tables somehow get messed up too, even between versions of = PowerPoint. For this reason, it is helpful to be able to provide the = same version of PowerPoint to the remote participant. They way, they = have a better chance of seeing the same thing that is shown on the = screen in the room. >=20 I agree that "builds" and animation" are lost, but I don't see that as a = big loss for the proceedings. My experience (or should I say our = experience) regarding problems with tables and and other formatting, is = more between different versions of powerpoint (e.g., Mac powerpoint and = Windows powerpoint), than a pdf version. I think this is one of the = weakness of using powerpoint for the proceedings, the display may depend = on the version of powerpoint and platform the user is running powerpoint = on. It's hard to tell from the file what platform/version the = powerpoint file was created on. For these reasons, I think pdf is a better format for the proceedings. Thanks, Bob From adrian@olddog.co.uk Sun Jan 8 08:56:27 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C7D21F857D for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 08:56:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f3cTUav5zomD for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 08:56:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 922AA21F8575 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 08:56:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q08GuK6a025948; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:56:20 GMT Received: from 950129200 (adsl-84-227-210-28.adslplus.ch [84.227.210.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q08GuGS3025921 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:56:19 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:56:15 -0000 Message-ID: <004501ccce26$71742d20$545c8760$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AczOJm3ivBJQ3Z96SCexpKOZciidAA== Content-Language: en-gb Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front of text I-D downloads? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 16:56:27 -0000 Hi, Last couple I have pulled from http://www.ietf.org/id/.txt = have had the same three bytes prepended. =EF=BB=BF Anything I should worry about? Cheers, Adrian From tony@att.com Sun Jan 8 16:11:26 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C183321F8536 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:11:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.289 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.289 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.310, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fSLi1LQ1clOw for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail119.messagelabs.com (mail119.messagelabs.com [216.82.241.195]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7136821F8528 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 16:11:26 -0800 (PST) X-Env-Sender: tony@att.com X-Msg-Ref: server-8.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1326067882!9526775!1 X-Originating-IP: [144.160.20.145] X-StarScan-Version: 6.4.3; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 31913 invoked from network); 9 Jan 2012 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from sbcsmtp6.sbc.com (HELO mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com) (144.160.20.145) by server-8.tower-119.messagelabs.com with DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 9 Jan 2012 00:11:22 -0000 Received: from enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q090BpkN002806 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:11:51 -0500 Received: from sflint01.pst.cso.att.com (sflint01.pst.cso.att.com [144.154.234.228]) by mlpd192.enaf.sfdc.sbc.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q090Biti002758 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:11:45 -0500 Received: from alpd052.aldc.att.com (alpd052.aldc.att.com [130.8.42.31]) by sflint01.pst.cso.att.com (RSA Interceptor) for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:10:59 -0500 Received: from aldc.att.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q090AxmN025730 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:10:59 -0500 Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (dns.maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by alpd052.aldc.att.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id q090AsAH025672 for ; Sun, 8 Jan 2012 19:10:54 -0500 Received: from [135.70.205.238] (vpn-135-70-205-238.vpn.east.att.com[135.70.205.238]) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20120109000909gw100e4ll0e> (Authid: tony); Mon, 9 Jan 2012 00:09:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.70.205.238] Message-ID: <4F0A308B.5050601@att.com> Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2012 19:10:51 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: adrian@olddog.co.uk References: <004501ccce26$71742d20$545c8760$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <004501ccce26$71742d20$545c8760$@olddog.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-RSA-Inspected: yes X-RSA-Classifications: public X-RSA-Action: allow Cc: iesg-secretary@iesg.org, tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front of text I-D downloads? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 00:11:26 -0000 It's a Byte Order Mark as represented in UTF-8, being incorrectly=20 displayed because the web page is labeled as having a different=20 character set. Tony On 1/8/2012 11:56 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, > > Last couple I have pulled from http://www.ietf.org/id/.txt ha= ve had > the same three bytes prepended. > > =EF=BB=BF > > Anything I should worry about? > > Cheers, > Adrian From housley@vigilsec.com Mon Jan 9 07:50:17 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6542311E807A for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6UQCgiTOof3E for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:50:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB1F411E8071 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 07:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8DEE9A4740; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:50:36 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8U1bvjRtxPw5; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:49:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.147.50] (unknown [74.202.225.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B6C29A471B; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:50:32 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <004501ccce26$71742d20$545c8760$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:49:41 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <004501ccce26$71742d20$545c8760$@olddog.co.uk> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front of text I-D downloads? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 15:50:17 -0000 Can you tell us which I-Ds so that we can investigate? On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, >=20 > Last couple I have pulled from http://www.ietf.org/id/.txt = have had > the same three bytes prepended. >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >=20 > Anything I should worry about? >=20 > Cheers, > Adrian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From housley@vigilsec.com Mon Jan 9 08:19:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86C6F21F8781 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 08:19:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gP6rUHCK9SFg for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 08:19:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFDB921F8498 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 08:19:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3D79A4740; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:20:01 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LKMCTVMujfsH; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:19:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.147.50] (unknown [74.202.225.34]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CC8B9A471B; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:20:00 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) From: Russ Housley Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 11:19:25 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <5C8BB3EC-24C9-4CB5-BCFC-CDC9B8226CB8@vigilsec.com> References: To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 16:19:58 -0000 This situation does not seem useful to me. The things that is posted = does not indicate the commitment to provide something in the future nor = does it indicate the commitment to c). Maybe something like: " Commitment to reasonable and non-discriminatory licenses. More = information will be provided in the future regarding licenses." Russ Begin forwarded message: > From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" > Date: January 9, 2012 10:24:41 AM EST > To: "Russ Housley" > Cc: "Robert Sparks" , "Gonzalo Camarillo" = > Subject: RE: IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to = draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 >=20 > Hi Russ, >=20 > It looks like you are not reading this correctly. This is what results > when filling in answer (d) in the submission form.=20 >=20 > Here is what was on the form: >=20 > VI. Licensing Declaration=20 > The Patent Holder states that its position with respect to licensing = any > patent claims contained in the patent(s) or patent application(s) > disclosed above that would necessarily be infringed by implementation = of > the technology required by the relevant IETF specification ("Necessary > Patent Claims"), for the purpose of implementing such specification, = is > as follows (select one licensing declaration option only):=20 > * a) No License Required for Implementers. > * b) Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to > All Implementers. > * c) Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to All > Implementers with Possible Royalty/Fee. > * d) Licensing Declaration to be Provided Later (implies a > willingness to commit to the provisions of a), b), or c) above to all > implementers; otherwise, the next option "Unwilling to Commit to the > Provisions of a), b), or c) Above". - must be selected).=20 >=20 > On the form AVAYA selected choice (d) which clearly commits to no = worse > licensing terms than selection (c). Note that while not excerpted = above > that there are choices E (Unwilling to commit to a, b or c above) and = F > (where licensing policy is spelled out in prose). >=20 > I hope this clarifies. Of course, IANAL and if a more official = response > is needed our legal contacts need to be approached.=20 >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] >> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:02 PM >> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) >> Cc: Robert Sparks; Gonzalo Camarillo >> Subject: Re: IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to >> draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 >>=20 >> Dan: >>=20 >> Am I reading this correctly? There is not even a promise for fair, >> reasonable, and non-discriminatory licenses. >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 6, 2012, at 6:17 PM, IETF Secretariat wrote: >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Dear Adel Mostafa: >>>=20 >>> An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "A >> Mechanism >>> for Negotiating Multi-Stream Continuous Presence Video in SIP" >> (draft-mostafa- >>> mmusic-sip-cp) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2011-12-23 >> and has been >>> posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights > Disclosures" >>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1661/). The title of the IPR >> disclosure is >>> "Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip- >> cp-00.""); >>>=20 >>> The IETF Secretariat >>>=20 >=20 From adrian@olddog.co.uk Mon Jan 9 09:07:16 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF7C11E8097 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:07:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vLS0e05ttYJf for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:07:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8E311E809B for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q09H74g9019904; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:07:04 GMT Received: from 950129200 (adsl-84-227-210-28.adslplus.ch [84.227.210.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q09H70uD019844 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:07:03 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Russ Housley'" References: <004501ccce26$71742d20$545c8760$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 17:06:59 -0000 Message-ID: <014501cccef1$1b89aef0$529d0cd0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIG+qjYUzjTJlanqV9wR6aDmze8hgJNZFi6lX191IA= Content-Language: en-gb Cc: 'IETF Tools Development' Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front of text I-D downloads? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 17:07:16 -0000 Hi, I saw this on http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-manet-packetbb-sec and http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lisp A > -----Original Message----- > From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] > Sent: 09 January 2012 15:50 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk > Cc: IETF Tools Development > Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front of = text I-D > downloads? >=20 > Can you tell us which I-Ds so that we can investigate? >=20 >=20 > On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: >=20 > > Hi, > > > > Last couple I have pulled from http://www.ietf.org/id/.txt = have had > > the same three bytes prepended. > > > > =EF=BB=BF > > > > Anything I should worry about? > > > > Cheers, > > Adrian > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From amorris@amsl.com Mon Jan 9 09:11:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA29E11E80AF for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:11:35 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.151, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nF3vPFL3wjox for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:11:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0418E11E809A for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:11:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B726C12D12F; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:10:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TSr6oC8HjMyN; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:10:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.195] (c-76-102-55-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.102.55.37]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7854312C8E4; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:10:59 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: <014501cccef1$1b89aef0$529d0cd0$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 09:10:34 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <10794631-7535-436F-A0B5-C09370D6F7CF@amsl.com> References: <004501ccce26$71742d20$545c8760$@olddog.co.uk> <014501cccef1$1b89aef0$529d0cd0$@olddog.co.uk> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front of text I-D downloads? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 17:11:36 -0000 Adrian,=20 We believe that this is the result of a change that AMS made (which was = made at the request of an IETFer) and we are in the process of reversing = that change. I will let everyone know when this has been done. Alexa On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I saw this on http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-manet-packetbb-sec = and > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lisp >=20 > A >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] >> Sent: 09 January 2012 15:50 >> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk >> Cc: IETF Tools Development >> Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front of = text I-D >> downloads? >>=20 >> Can you tell us which I-Ds so that we can investigate? >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> Last couple I have pulled from http://www.ietf.org/id/.txt = have > had >>> the same three bytes prepended. >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BF >>>=20 >>> Anything I should worry about? >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Adrian >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com From amorris@amsl.com Mon Jan 9 10:58:19 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 041CB21F84E1 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:58:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.524 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.524 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.075, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id E1tYsB8IgQDr for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 914D121F84D9 for ; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BEC912D141; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:58:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tfJrvF4oljwg; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:58:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.195] (c-76-102-55-37.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [76.102.55.37]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4517B12D13E; Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:58:18 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 From: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: <014501cccef1$1b89aef0$529d0cd0$@olddog.co.uk> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2012 10:57:59 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <004501ccce26$71742d20$545c8760$@olddog.co.uk> <014501cccef1$1b89aef0$529d0cd0$@olddog.co.uk> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: 'IETF Tools Development' Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front of text I-D downloads? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2012 18:58:19 -0000 Adrian, We believe this has been fixed, can you check again? Thanks, Alexa On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > Hi, >=20 > I saw this on http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-manet-packetbb-sec = and > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lisp >=20 > A >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] >> Sent: 09 January 2012 15:50 >> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk >> Cc: IETF Tools Development >> Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front of = text I-D >> downloads? >>=20 >> Can you tell us which I-Ds so that we can investigate? >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> Last couple I have pulled from http://www.ietf.org/id/.txt = have > had >>> the same three bytes prepended. >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BF >>>=20 >>> Anything I should worry about? >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Adrian >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Jan 10 08:08:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4643821F8670 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:08:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id enR0e+tOSvIu for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 823E221F8655 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:08:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:55067 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RkeFa-0000dT-Io; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:08:44 +0100 Message-ID: <4F0C6285.7090102@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 17:08:37 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <5C8BB3EC-24C9-4CB5-BCFC-CDC9B8226CB8@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <5C8BB3EC-24C9-4CB5-BCFC-CDC9B8226CB8@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: housley@vigilsec.com, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:57:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:08:58 -0000 Hi Russ, On 2012-01-09 17:19 Russ Housley said: > This situation does not seem useful to me. The things that is posted does not indicate the commitment to provide something in the future nor does it indicate the commitment to c). Maybe something like: > > " Commitment to reasonable and non-discriminatory licenses. More information will be provided in the future regarding licenses." I take it this should replace the current text under 'd'? This should be easy enough to change -- should I do it for the next release? Best regards, Henrik > Russ > > > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" >> Date: January 9, 2012 10:24:41 AM EST >> To: "Russ Housley" >> Cc: "Robert Sparks", "Gonzalo Camarillo" >> Subject: RE: IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 >> >> Hi Russ, >> >> It looks like you are not reading this correctly. This is what results >> when filling in answer (d) in the submission form. >> >> Here is what was on the form: >> >> VI. Licensing Declaration >> The Patent Holder states that its position with respect to licensing any >> patent claims contained in the patent(s) or patent application(s) >> disclosed above that would necessarily be infringed by implementation of >> the technology required by the relevant IETF specification ("Necessary >> Patent Claims"), for the purpose of implementing such specification, is >> as follows (select one licensing declaration option only): >> * a) No License Required for Implementers. >> * b) Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to >> All Implementers. >> * c) Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to All >> Implementers with Possible Royalty/Fee. >> * d) Licensing Declaration to be Provided Later (implies a >> willingness to commit to the provisions of a), b), or c) above to all >> implementers; otherwise, the next option "Unwilling to Commit to the >> Provisions of a), b), or c) Above". - must be selected). >> >> On the form AVAYA selected choice (d) which clearly commits to no worse >> licensing terms than selection (c). Note that while not excerpted above >> that there are choices E (Unwilling to commit to a, b or c above) and F >> (where licensing policy is spelled out in prose). >> >> I hope this clarifies. Of course, IANAL and if a more official response >> is needed our legal contacts need to be approached. >> >> Regards, >> >> Dan >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] >>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:02 PM >>> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) >>> Cc: Robert Sparks; Gonzalo Camarillo >>> Subject: Re: IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to >>> draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 >>> >>> Dan: >>> >>> Am I reading this correctly? There is not even a promise for fair, >>> reasonable, and non-discriminatory licenses. >>> >>> Russ >>> >>> >>> On Jan 6, 2012, at 6:17 PM, IETF Secretariat wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Dear Adel Mostafa: >>>> >>>> An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "A >>> Mechanism >>>> for Negotiating Multi-Stream Continuous Presence Video in SIP" >>> (draft-mostafa- >>>> mmusic-sip-cp) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2011-12-23 >>> and has been >>>> posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights >> Disclosures" >>>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1661/). The title of the IPR >>> disclosure is >>>> "Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip- >>> cp-00.""); >>>> >>>> The IETF Secretariat >>>> >> > > From housley@vigilsec.com Tue Jan 10 08:47:30 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDD5621F8764 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:47:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VYpfsfA1EPvT for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:47:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E37EB21F8762 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 08:47:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A0539A4782; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:47:47 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fWMbLzuBOlPf; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:47:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.43.193] (unknown [198.232.60.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DD2A9A472B; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:47:46 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4F0C6285.7090102@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 11:47:18 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5C8BB3EC-24C9-4CB5-BCFC-CDC9B8226CB8@vigilsec.com> <4F0C6285.7090102@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 16:47:30 -0000 I just want to make sure I am clear. When the user chooses (d), the = liaison statement does not tell the reader that this is the case. To = the reader, (e) and (d) are not distinguishable. Russ On Jan 10, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Russ, >=20 > On 2012-01-09 17:19 Russ Housley said: >> This situation does not seem useful to me. The things that is posted = does not indicate the commitment to provide something in the future nor = does it indicate the commitment to c). Maybe something like: >>=20 >> " Commitment to reasonable and non-discriminatory licenses. More = information will be provided in the future regarding licenses." >=20 > I take it this should replace the current text under 'd'? This should = be > easy enough to change -- should I do it for the next release? >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 >> Russ >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >>> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" >>> Date: January 9, 2012 10:24:41 AM EST >>> To: "Russ Housley" >>> Cc: "Robert Sparks", "Gonzalo = Camarillo" >>> Subject: RE: IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related = to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 >>>=20 >>> Hi Russ, >>>=20 >>> It looks like you are not reading this correctly. This is what = results >>> when filling in answer (d) in the submission form. >>>=20 >>> Here is what was on the form: >>>=20 >>> VI. Licensing Declaration >>> The Patent Holder states that its position with respect to licensing = any >>> patent claims contained in the patent(s) or patent application(s) >>> disclosed above that would necessarily be infringed by = implementation of >>> the technology required by the relevant IETF specification = ("Necessary >>> Patent Claims"), for the purpose of implementing such specification, = is >>> as follows (select one licensing declaration option only): >>> * a) No License Required for Implementers. >>> * b) Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to >>> All Implementers. >>> * c) Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to All >>> Implementers with Possible Royalty/Fee. >>> * d) Licensing Declaration to be Provided Later (implies a >>> willingness to commit to the provisions of a), b), or c) above to = all >>> implementers; otherwise, the next option "Unwilling to Commit to the >>> Provisions of a), b), or c) Above". - must be selected). >>>=20 >>> On the form AVAYA selected choice (d) which clearly commits to no = worse >>> licensing terms than selection (c). Note that while not excerpted = above >>> that there are choices E (Unwilling to commit to a, b or c above) = and F >>> (where licensing policy is spelled out in prose). >>>=20 >>> I hope this clarifies. Of course, IANAL and if a more official = response >>> is needed our legal contacts need to be approached. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>>=20 >>> Dan >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:02 PM >>>> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) >>>> Cc: Robert Sparks; Gonzalo Camarillo >>>> Subject: Re: IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related = to >>>> draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 >>>>=20 >>>> Dan: >>>>=20 >>>> Am I reading this correctly? There is not even a promise for fair, >>>> reasonable, and non-discriminatory licenses. >>>>=20 >>>> Russ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Jan 6, 2012, at 6:17 PM, IETF Secretariat wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Dear Adel Mostafa: >>>>>=20 >>>>> An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "A >>>> Mechanism >>>>> for Negotiating Multi-Stream Continuous Presence Video in SIP" >>>> (draft-mostafa- >>>>> mmusic-sip-cp) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2011-12-23 >>>> and has been >>>>> posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights >>> Disclosures" >>>>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1661/). The title of the IPR >>>> disclosure is >>>>> "Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to = draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip- >>>> cp-00.""); >>>>>=20 >>>>> The IETF Secretariat >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 From henrik@levkowetz.com Tue Jan 10 10:26:34 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87F6921F869F for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:26:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DnOs5bsyyjtN for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:26:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB47C21F8692 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:26:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from 90-230-136-60-no45.tbcn.telia.com ([90.230.136.60]:58086 helo=vigonier.lan) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RkgOK-00074g-8h; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:25:58 +0100 Message-ID: <4F0C82A6.9000600@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 19:25:42 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <5C8BB3EC-24C9-4CB5-BCFC-CDC9B8226CB8@vigilsec.com> <4F0C6285.7090102@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 90.230.136.60 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: housley@vigilsec.com, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:57:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:26:34 -0000 Hi Russ, On 2012-01-10 17:47 Russ Housley said the following: > I just want to make sure I am clear. When the user chooses (d), the > liaison statement does not tell the reader that this is the case. To > the reader, (e) and (d) are not distinguishable. Aha. Ok, so no changes in the choices that can be made when submitting a disclosure, but a clearer indication of when (d) has been chosen when presenting the disclosure? Best regards, Henrik > > Russ > > > On Jan 10, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > >> Hi Russ, >> >> On 2012-01-09 17:19 Russ Housley said: >>> This situation does not seem useful to me. The things that is posted does not indicate the commitment to provide something in the future nor does it indicate the commitment to c). Maybe something like: >>> >>> " Commitment to reasonable and non-discriminatory licenses. More information will be provided in the future regarding licenses." >> >> I take it this should replace the current text under 'd'? This should be >> easy enough to change -- should I do it for the next release? >> >> >> Best regards, >> >> Henrik >> >>> Russ >>> >>> >>> >>> Begin forwarded message: >>> >>>> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" >>>> Date: January 9, 2012 10:24:41 AM EST >>>> To: "Russ Housley" >>>> Cc: "Robert Sparks", "Gonzalo Camarillo" >>>> Subject: RE: IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 >>>> >>>> Hi Russ, >>>> >>>> It looks like you are not reading this correctly. This is what results >>>> when filling in answer (d) in the submission form. >>>> >>>> Here is what was on the form: >>>> >>>> VI. Licensing Declaration >>>> The Patent Holder states that its position with respect to licensing any >>>> patent claims contained in the patent(s) or patent application(s) >>>> disclosed above that would necessarily be infringed by implementation of >>>> the technology required by the relevant IETF specification ("Necessary >>>> Patent Claims"), for the purpose of implementing such specification, is >>>> as follows (select one licensing declaration option only): >>>> * a) No License Required for Implementers. >>>> * b) Royalty-Free, Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to >>>> All Implementers. >>>> * c) Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory License to All >>>> Implementers with Possible Royalty/Fee. >>>> * d) Licensing Declaration to be Provided Later (implies a >>>> willingness to commit to the provisions of a), b), or c) above to all >>>> implementers; otherwise, the next option "Unwilling to Commit to the >>>> Provisions of a), b), or c) Above". - must be selected). >>>> >>>> On the form AVAYA selected choice (d) which clearly commits to no worse >>>> licensing terms than selection (c). Note that while not excerpted above >>>> that there are choices E (Unwilling to commit to a, b or c above) and F >>>> (where licensing policy is spelled out in prose). >>>> >>>> I hope this clarifies. Of course, IANAL and if a more official response >>>> is needed our legal contacts need to be approached. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Dan >>>> >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 4:02 PM >>>>> To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) >>>>> Cc: Robert Sparks; Gonzalo Camarillo >>>>> Subject: Re: IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to >>>>> draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 >>>>> >>>>> Dan: >>>>> >>>>> Am I reading this correctly? There is not even a promise for fair, >>>>> reasonable, and non-discriminatory licenses. >>>>> >>>>> Russ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 6, 2012, at 6:17 PM, IETF Secretariat wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear Adel Mostafa: >>>>>> >>>>>> An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "A >>>>> Mechanism >>>>>> for Negotiating Multi-Stream Continuous Presence Video in SIP" >>>>> (draft-mostafa- >>>>>> mmusic-sip-cp) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2011-12-23 >>>>> and has been >>>>>> posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights >>>> Disclosures" >>>>>> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/1661/). The title of the IPR >>>>> disclosure is >>>>>> "Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip- >>>>> cp-00.""); >>>>>> >>>>>> The IETF Secretariat >>>>>> >>>> >>> >>> > > From housley@vigilsec.com Tue Jan 10 10:33:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6740421F8686 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:33:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.682 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.682 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.083, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mJFm-IVTQv91 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5FD21F862D for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 10:33:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 842689A47A3; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:33:31 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sLuSicw9XP-1; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.43.193] (unknown [198.232.60.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2A069A47A2; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:33:30 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4F0C82A6.9000600@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 13:33:10 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <7D91CCB4-0108-4D85-909F-72D7488B1781@vigilsec.com> References: <5C8BB3EC-24C9-4CB5-BCFC-CDC9B8226CB8@vigilsec.com> <4F0C6285.7090102@levkowetz.com> <4F0C82A6.9000600@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:33:23 -0000 Henrik: >> I just want to make sure I am clear. When the user chooses (d), the >> liaison statement does not tell the reader that this is the case. To >> the reader, (e) and (d) are not distinguishable. > > Aha. Ok, so no changes in the choices that can be made when submitting > a disclosure, but a clearer indication of when (d) has been chosen when > presenting the disclosure? That is correct. Thank you. Russ From adrian@olddog.co.uk Tue Jan 10 14:05:58 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC72621F8602 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:05:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zcl121y5DnjX for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:05:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9A4E21F85F8 for ; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 14:05:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q0AM5ro7014174; Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:05:53 GMT Received: from 950129200 (adsl-84-227-210-28.adslplus.ch [84.227.210.28]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q0AM5pCq014159 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:05:52 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Alexa Morris'" References: <004501ccce26$71742d20$545c8760$@olddog.co.uk> <014501cccef1$1b89aef0$529d0cd0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2012 22:05:51 -0000 Message-ID: <045201cccfe4$04db3630$0e91a290$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQIG+qjYUzjTJlanqV9wR6aDmze8hgJNZFi6AlBpJgkC1GiYH5VWO1Yg Content-Language: en-gb Cc: 'IETF Tools Development' Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front of text I-D downloads? 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A > -----Original Message----- > From: Alexa Morris [mailto:amorris@amsl.com] > Sent: 09 January 2012 18:58 > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk > Cc: 'Russ Housley'; 'IETF Tools Development' > Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front of = text I-D > downloads? >=20 > Adrian, >=20 > We believe this has been fixed, can you check again? >=20 > Thanks, > Alexa >=20 > On Jan 9, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: >=20 > > Hi, > > > > I saw this on http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-manet-packetbb-sec = and > > http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-lisp > > > > A > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Russ Housley [mailto:housley@vigilsec.com] > >> Sent: 09 January 2012 15:50 > >> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk > >> Cc: IETF Tools Development > >> Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Spurious characters on the front = of text > I-D > >> downloads? > >> > >> Can you tell us which I-Ds so that we can investigate? > >> > >> > >> On Jan 8, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Adrian Farrel wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> Last couple I have pulled from = http://www.ietf.org/id/.txt have > > had > >>> the same three bytes prepended. > >>> > >>> =EF=BB=BF > >>> > >>> Anything I should worry about? > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> Adrian > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > >=20 > ---------- > Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF > 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 > Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 > Email: amorris@amsl.com >=20 > Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) > Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning > www.amsl.com From rpelletier@isoc.org Wed Jan 11 08:46:23 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B2D221F85DF for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:46:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.916 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.916 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.951, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0MmDTrcmQmrY for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:46:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp144.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp144.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.144]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163F321F86DE for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 08:46:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp4.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3CAB33A02DD for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:46:18 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp4.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id E6D6F3A0539 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:46:17 -0500 (EST) From: Ray Pelletier Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-100826876 Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 11:46:17 -0500 X-Priority: 3 References: <242521184.1326300162541.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2wl011.webex.com> To: tools-development@ietf.org Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] TOOLS CALL 18 Jan was Fwd: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:46:23 -0000 --Apple-Mail-3-100826876 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Begin forwarded message: > From: Ray Pelletier > Date: January 11, 2012 11:42:42 AM EST > To: rpelletier@isoc.org > Subject: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte > Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org >=20 >=20 > **** You can forward this email invitation to attendees ****=20 >=20 > Hello ,=20 >=20 > Ray Pelletier invites you to attend this online meeting.=20 >=20 > Topic: Tools Cmte=20 > Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012=20 > Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)=20 > Meeting Number: 967 947 412=20 > Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > 1. 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= --Apple-Mail-3-100826876-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Wed Jan 11 10:00:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5C921F85F9 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:00:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7-PsxkrpYStn for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2354E21F85E1 for ; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 10:00:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:49624 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1Rl2T3-0000qs-Gd; Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:00:12 +0100 Message-ID: <4F0DCE28.4040501@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 19:00:08 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <7C92CB79-B5BC-426A-9C98-1D60D5B17708@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <7C92CB79-B5BC-426A-9C98-1D60D5B17708@vigilsec.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig41D8734775E1AB047472D98B" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: housley@vigilsec.com, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:57:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] PPTX Support X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 18:00:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig41D8734775E1AB047472D98B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Russ, On 2012-01-06 14:48 Russ Housley said: > Currently, participants can upload slides in .ppt and .pdf files. > The new PowerPoint has become fairly well deployed. What will it > take to allow .pptx before the Paris meeting? I'm not sure whether you're asking about a technical change or a policy change? People have been uploading .pptx for some time now; the counts=20 I have for recent meetings are: ietf ppt pptx 65 388 0 66 314 0 67 366 0 68 364 0 69 356 0 70 401 0 71 392 0 72 357 0 73 351 0 74 337 0 75 348 0 76 314 0 77 316 40 78 317 49 79 307 128 80 275 152 81 232 177 82 192 214 The on-the-fly conversion to PDF which I do on the tools servers handle most files in both .ppt and .pptx formats. FWIW, I'm in favour of requesting chairs to always upload .pdf, with the option of uploading other formats in addition. Compared with the on-the-fly conversion on tools, this has the benefit of making chairs (and hopefully presenters) pay some attention to checking that the =2Epdf versions actually look right, and making .pdf available from the master repository already at meeting time. Best regards, Henrik --------------enig41D8734775E1AB047472D98B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk8NzigACgkQeVhrtTJkXCPeEgCeKuGxReEYoNKmBkJbSYUCsHT6 YAQAoO9fMsFhyCIm+7027gtX14BVZRpY =8Lg0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig41D8734775E1AB047472D98B-- From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Jan 12 08:06:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BD421F85F3 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:06:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xqIavQvW7jZx for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B7421F85E9 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:06:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:59112 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RlNAo-0000rI-5z; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:06:44 +0100 Message-ID: <4F0F0510.6030906@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:06:40 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <5C8BB3EC-24C9-4CB5-BCFC-CDC9B8226CB8@vigilsec.com> <4F0C6285.7090102@levkowetz.com> <4F0C82A6.9000600@levkowetz.com> <7D91CCB4-0108-4D85-909F-72D7488B1781@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <7D91CCB4-0108-4D85-909F-72D7488B1781@vigilsec.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB57D8C622145EE521A8066C4" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: housley@vigilsec.com, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:57:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:06:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB57D8C622145EE521A8066C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Russ, On 2012-01-10 19:33 Russ Housley said: > Henrik: >=20 >>> I just want to make sure I am clear. When the user chooses (d), the >>> liaison statement does not tell the reader that this is the case. To >>> the reader, (e) and (d) are not distinguishable. >> >> Aha. Ok, so no changes in the choices that can be made when submittin= g >> a disclosure, but a clearer indication of when (d) has been chosen whe= n >> presenting the disclosure? >=20 > That is correct. I'm fixing the code now. You suggested: > " Commitment to reasonable and non-discriminatory licenses. More inform= ation will be provided in the future regarding licenses." but this doesn't catch option 'a) No Licence Required for Implementers'. = Maybe modify this to: "Commitment to Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory Licenses or No Licence= Required for Implementers. More information will be provided in the fut= ure regarding licenses." ? Best regards, Henrik --------------enigB57D8C622145EE521A8066C4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEYEARECAAYFAk8PBRAACgkQeVhrtTJkXCPVcACg37XS7AwPRE8dwSYi4Xt4KwKo lhYAnidYF6emmiEBGXGgrP93aKofFcDZ =i21+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB57D8C622145EE521A8066C4-- From housley@vigilsec.com Thu Jan 12 08:47:04 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29EA21F8527 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:47:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.577 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.577 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.022, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OAFJstnP+YqY for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F76F21F84FA for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:47:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60139A477C; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:47:19 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uiCRU+mcgeSW; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.43.193] (unknown [198.232.60.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 511A09A47BC; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:47:19 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4F0DCE28.4040501@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:46:50 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8A92C62A-151D-4BA0-8E74-73E648F9D017@vigilsec.com> References: <7C92CB79-B5BC-426A-9C98-1D60D5B17708@vigilsec.com> <4F0DCE28.4040501@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] PPTX Support X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:47:05 -0000 Henrik: The last time that I tried to upload a .pptx, it was rejected. I was = unaware that any change had been made. Obviously that was a while ago. Sorry for the noise, Russ On Jan 11, 2012, at 1:00 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Russ, >=20 > On 2012-01-06 14:48 Russ Housley said: >> Currently, participants can upload slides in .ppt and .pdf files. >> The new PowerPoint has become fairly well deployed. What will it >> take to allow .pptx before the Paris meeting? >=20 > I'm not sure whether you're asking about a technical change or a > policy change? >=20 > People have been uploading .pptx for some time now; the counts=20 > I have for recent meetings are: >=20 > ietf ppt pptx >=20 > 65 388 0 > 66 314 0 > 67 366 0 > 68 364 0 > 69 356 0 > 70 401 0 > 71 392 0 > 72 357 0 > 73 351 0 > 74 337 0 > 75 348 0 > 76 314 0 > 77 316 40 > 78 317 49 > 79 307 128 > 80 275 152 > 81 232 177 > 82 192 214 >=20 > The on-the-fly conversion to PDF which I do on the tools servers = handle > most files in both .ppt and .pptx formats. >=20 > FWIW, I'm in favour of requesting chairs to always upload .pdf, with > the option of uploading other formats in addition. Compared with the > on-the-fly conversion on tools, this has the benefit of making chairs > (and hopefully presenters) pay some attention to checking that the > .pdf versions actually look right, and making .pdf available from the > master repository already at meeting time. >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 >=20 From henrik@levkowetz.com Thu Jan 12 08:58:39 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1DEC21F8615 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:58:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -103.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-103.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qkeW7MYLYut9 for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from merlot.tools.ietf.org (merlot.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:0:31::14]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CE3E21F861B for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:58:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from brunello.autonomica.se ([2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e]:59916 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by merlot.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1RlNyn-00089l-NX; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:58:22 +0100 Message-ID: <4F0F112C.2020002@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:58:20 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:8.0) Gecko/20111105 Thunderbird/8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Pelletier References: <242521184.1326300162541.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2wl011.webex.com> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 1.3.4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rpelletier@isoc.org, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:57:07 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on merlot.tools.ietf.org) Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] TOOLS CALL 18 Jan was Fwd: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:58:39 -0000 Hi, On 2012-01-11 17:46 Ray Pelletier said: ... >> Topic: Tools Cmte >> Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 >> Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00) ... I'll be on my way home from a Netnod retreat at this time (19:00 CET). The plane is scheduled to land 18:20, which means I'll probably be in the taxi from the airport during the call. I think that should work, but I may not be able to see on-screen data during the call. Best regards, Henrik From housley@vigilsec.com Thu Jan 12 09:51:21 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255AF21F853B for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:51:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.578 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.578 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L+HU988A74QV for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:51:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5B8221F853D for ; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 09:51:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD649A47A2; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:51:37 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dNyanxiVV807; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.43.193] (unknown [198.232.60.42]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 488199A4778; Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:51:36 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4F0F0510.6030906@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 12:51:05 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <77DB6BF5-F21C-4CFA-AF6E-4141B8BC0577@vigilsec.com> References: <5C8BB3EC-24C9-4CB5-BCFC-CDC9B8226CB8@vigilsec.com> <4F0C6285.7090102@levkowetz.com> <4F0C82A6.9000600@levkowetz.com> <7D91CCB4-0108-4D85-909F-72D7488B1781@vigilsec.com> <4F0F0510.6030906@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IPR Disclosure: Avaya Inc.'s Statement of IPR Related to draft-mostafa-mmusic-sip-cp-00 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 17:51:21 -0000 That is fine. Thanks. On Jan 12, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Russ, >=20 > On 2012-01-10 19:33 Russ Housley said: >> Henrik: >>=20 >>>> I just want to make sure I am clear. When the user chooses (d), the >>>> liaison statement does not tell the reader that this is the case. = To >>>> the reader, (e) and (d) are not distinguishable. >>>=20 >>> Aha. Ok, so no changes in the choices that can be made when = submitting >>> a disclosure, but a clearer indication of when (d) has been chosen = when >>> presenting the disclosure? >>=20 >> That is correct. >=20 > I'm fixing the code now. You suggested: >=20 >> " Commitment to reasonable and non-discriminatory licenses. More = information will be provided in the future regarding licenses." >=20 > but this doesn't catch option 'a) No Licence Required for = Implementers'. Maybe > modify this to: >=20 > "Commitment to Reasonable and Non-Discriminatory Licenses or No = Licence > Required for Implementers. More information will be provided in the = future > regarding licenses." >=20 > ? >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 >=20 From rpelletier@isoc.org Tue Jan 17 18:40:57 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2762621F8711 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:40:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.298, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f+cG00kjPNXE for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp114.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.114]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1176E21F870B for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 18:40:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp31.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id DE4533E036B for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:40:52 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp31.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id C06053E0366 for ; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:40:52 -0500 (EST) From: Ray Pelletier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2012 21:40:52 -0500 Message-Id: <189C0813-E7AB-48EC-994B-F643082C5FD8@isoc.org> To: tools-development@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Wed 18 Jan X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 02:40:57 -0000 All; A reminder of Wed call at 11:00 AM ET (GMT - 5). WebEx details below. Draft Agenda: 1. Current Projects Status a. DB Conversion WO #7 - IOLA b. Charter Milestone Management Development - IOLA c. Back End Development - IOLA d. Agenda Scheduling Specs - AMS e. Draft Tracking Support IETF Community Dev - Yaco f. Remote Participation Services Spec Dev - Hoffman 2. DB Cutover Schedule 3. Paris Code Sprint 4. NomCom Tools=20 5. Wiki Server Move to AMS 6. AOB Ray Topic: Tools Cmte=20 Date: Wednesday, January 18, 2012=20 Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)=20 Meeting Number: 967 947 412=20 Meeting Password: (This meeting does not require a password.)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D189760427&UID=3D0&RT=3DMi= MxMQ%3D%3D=20 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.=20 3. 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