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Hi,

Unless there has been large changes in how you work I think this group
can attempt to address my gripes.

As a WG chair I feel obligated to use the WG chair tracker. But frankly
I think it is still functioning poorly and is less than obvious how to
use. Not that the old IESG tracker was stellar, but it was significantly
better than how the WG tracker works. Or maybe it is just strange for
someone that got use to the old IESG tracker and its later updates.

The largest gripe I have with its design is that I can't get to the
often used functionality easily, i.e. change document state. That should
be a button I as WG chair have in the view showing the WG's docs.

The next is that the navigation isn't logical, for example most pages
are missing links to get back to the WG view directly. Instead I have to
go through fold out menu or use multiple clicks.

I also find most pages where I need to provide info is not intuitive. I
have to think about how I use them. Especially the change state page
with its separation and not clear interaction with the pages buttons.

My next set of gripe is that I have sent feedback but haven't received
feedback on my feedback. Which makes me less inclined to provide any
more feedback.

I don't know what plans or resource you have to do more on the WG
tracker but it is an obstacle rather than help for the moment in my
personal view.

Cheers

Magnus Westerlund

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Sean is correct.  Please create a tick to have this done at the =
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can figure this one out.

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This one actually needed a bit background information to get right.  The
old 'Draft Standard' entry in the IntendedStdLevelName needed to be set
to 'not used', and the form object behind the edit form needed to be told
to use only names in use.  Fixed now.


Best regards,

	Henrik

On 2012-03-06 17:52 Russ Housley said the following:
> Sean is correct.  Please create a tick to have this done at the codesprint.  In fact, if someone can point to the right module, I bet I can figure this one out.

This one actually needed a bit background information to get right.  The
old 'Draft Standard' entry in the IntendedStdLevelName needed to be set
to 'not used', and the form object behind the edit form needed to be told
to use only names in use.  Fixed now.


Best regards,

	Henrik

> Russ
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>> From: Sean Turner <turners@ieca.com>
>> Date: March 6, 2012 6:44:02 AM EST
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>> 
>> Just checking that this is on the list of things to do:
>> 
>> When adding a document (click the add button) the Intended RFC Status down includes the proposed standard, draft standard, and standard.  I think "draft standard" needs to be removed.
>> 
>> spt
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This is a Request for Information (RFI).  The purpose of this RFI is to =
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identify potential suppliers and developers for an IETF IETF Email List =
Archiving, Web-based Browsing and Search Tool, and to seek comments on =
the (SOW) from such suppliers/developers to inform the preparation of a =
possible RFP.=20

We seek information on how to improve the IETF email list archiving and =
searching systems.  The IETF makes heavy use of email lists to conduct =
its work.    Participants frequently need to search the archives of =
these lists, and have asked for improved search capabilities, =
particularly when the search needs to cover a large period of time, or =
cross several lists.  The current tools for performing these searches =
require several manually coordinated steps, which are error prone.  More =
advanced search capabilities have been constructed for a limited subset =
of the available lists and are exposed in the "Email Archives Quick =
Search" section of the main IETF website.  While these tools are of =
great assistance, there is still significant need for   improvement.  =
The current archive mechanism could also be made more efficient. =20

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All

A reminder of our call at 11:00 AM EDT , UTC -4.  WebEx details below.

Agenda

1.  DB Conversion Update
2.  Tools Awaiting Deployment
	WG Charter
	Community ID Tracking Tool
3.  IESG:  make all ietf e-mail and web point to tools or datatracker =
urls
4.  Current Projects
	Charter Milestone Management Development
	Back End Development
	Convert Secretariat Tools to new DB Schema
	NomCom Tool Specs
	Remote Participation Services Spec Dev
5.  RFIs
	Agenda Scheduling
	Mail Archive
6.  AOB

Ray

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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
> Date: March 14, 2012 2:16:12 PM EDT
> To: Working Group Chairs <wgchairs@ietf.org>
> Subject: WG tools page, and document status
> 
> WIBNI the WG tools pages showed, in the list of documents, the WG
> state of each document?
> 
> Right now, for instance, on the appsawg page we see this:
> 
> 	draft-ietf-appsawg-about-uri-scheme	-03		new	2012-03-04  	Active
> 	draft-ietf-appsawg-greylisting	-05			2012-02-22  	Active
> 	draft-ietf-appsawg-http-forwarded	-00			2012-01-27  	Active
> ...etc...
> 
> "Active" is pretty useless, and, in fact, the first two documents are
> "In WG Last Call".  I would REALLY like to see *that* instead of
> "Active".  The others are in "WG Document" state, which is also
> arguable more useful than "Active", but only minuscule-ly so.
> 
> (I'd also like to see the doc shepherd listed there, though that's
> somewhat less important.)
> 
> Barry

