From housley@vigilsec.com Mon Apr 9 10:24:11 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB8521F87B4 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:24:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.536 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.536 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.063, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zFN2ZlGxkjrY for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3290621F87B2 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E689C9A472A for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:24:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cB6mVXm9caC4 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.101] (pool-96-255-13-167.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.255.13.167]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9D69A4729 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:24:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:24:09 -0400 Message-Id: <26BC10D3-7240-4E20-9108-337D5011C333@vigilsec.com> To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Standard --> Internet Standard X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:24:11 -0000 As part of the adoption of RFC 6410 = (http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6410.txt), we should change this = label. Example from the IESG telechat: o draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0-08 Extension Mechanisms for DNS (EDNS0) (Standard) Russ= From rjsparks@nostrum.com Mon Apr 9 10:30:24 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25CA921F8779 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:30:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bYtqLigjku3i for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (nostrum-pt.tunnel.tserv2.fmt.ipv6.he.net [IPv6:2001:470:1f03:267::2]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BB021F8725 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 10:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dn3-177.estacado.net (vicuna-alt.estacado.net [75.53.54.121]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id q39HUMYA013107 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:30:23 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) Message-ID: <4F831CAD.4040301@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:30:21 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.2) Gecko/20120216 Thunderbird/10.0.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <26BC10D3-7240-4E20-9108-337D5011C333@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <26BC10D3-7240-4E20-9108-337D5011C333@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass (nostrum.com: 75.53.54.121 is authenticated by a trusted mechanism) Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Standard --> Internet Standard X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 17:30:24 -0000 There is also one instance of "Full Standard" that appears in email messages that should also change to "Internet Standard". RjS On 4/9/12 12:24 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > As part of the adoption of RFC 6410 (http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc6410.txt), we should change this label. > > Example from the IESG telechat: > > o draft-ietf-dnsext-rfc2671bis-edns0-08 > Extension Mechanisms for DNS (EDNS0) (Standard) > > > Russ > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From rpelletier@isoc.org Fri Apr 13 08:23:41 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30CFF21F863C for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:23:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.591 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.276, BAYES_00=-2.599, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7CrP4OEA15BG for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp204.dfw.emailsrvr.com (smtp204.dfw.emailsrvr.com [67.192.241.204]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4976D21F85F6 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:23:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp20.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EB7192583C8 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:23:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp20.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id A97C02580D6 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:23:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Ray Pelletier Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-67--458863683 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:23:41 -0400 X-Priority: 3 References: <273091715.1334330219733.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2wl015.webex.com> To: tools-development@ietf.org Message-Id: <26AC89D9-BC8D-4B39-9DA2-C5D382802C21@isoc.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call 18 April at 11:00 AM ET X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 15:23:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail-67--458863683 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Will be followed immediately by a TMC call. Begin forwarded message: > From: Ray Pelletier > Date: April 13, 2012 11:16:59 AM EDT > To: rpelletier@isoc.org > Subject: (Forward to attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte > Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org >=20 >=20 > **** You can forward this email invitation to attendees ****=20 >=20 > Hello ,=20 >=20 > Ray Pelletier invites you to attend this online meeting.=20 >=20 > Topic: Tools Cmte=20 > Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2012=20 > Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)=20 > Meeting Number: 969 361 446=20 > Meeting Password: TOOLS=20 >=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D192848747&UID=3D0&PW=3DNM= jk5Mzk4OGVh&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 > 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.=20 > 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: TOOLS=20 > 4. Click "Join".=20 >=20 > To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:=20 > = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D192848747&UID=3D0&PW=3DNM= jk5Mzk4OGVh&ORT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To join the audio conference only=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.=20 > Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490=20 > Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300=20 > Global call-in numbers: = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&ED= =3D192848747&tollFree=3D1=20 > Toll-free dialing restrictions: = http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf=20 >=20 > Access code:969 361 446=20 >=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > For assistance=20 > -------------------------------------------------------=20 > 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc=20 > 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".=20 >=20 > You can contact me at:=20 > rpelletier@isoc.org=20 > 1-703-652-9534=20 >=20 > To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft = Outlook), click this link:=20 > = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D192848747&UID=3D0&ICS=3DM= I&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DrDI6F/1n7MaNYuSjYQsNfMIwC2V4yt1xNXl2aervSsQ=3D= &RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 >=20 > The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files = requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in = the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php.=20 >=20 > Sign up for a free trial of WebEx=20 > http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial=20 >=20 > http://www.webex.com=20 >=20 > CCP:+14087926300x969361446#=20 >=20 > IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows = audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during = the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, = discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the = recording or do not join the session. Please note that any such = recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation.=20 --Apple-Mail-67--458863683 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Will = be followed immediately by a TMC call.

Begin forwarded = message:

From: Ray Pelletier <messenger@webex.com>
=
Date: April 13, 2012 = 11:16:59 AM EDT
To: rpelletier@isoc.org
Subject: (Forward to = attendees) Meeting invitation: Tools Cmte
Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org


**** You can forward this email invitation to attendees = ****

Hello ,

Ray Pelletier invites you to attend = this online meeting.

Topic: Tools Cmte
Date: Wednesday, = April 18, 2012
Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, = GMT-04:00)
Meeting Number: 969 361 446
Meeting Password: TOOLS =


------------------------------------------------------- =
To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)
= -------------------------------------------------------
1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D1928487= 47&UID=3D0&PW=3DNMjk5Mzk4OGVh&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D
2. = If requested, enter your name and email address.
3. If a password = is required, enter the meeting password: TOOLS
4. Click "Join". =

To view in other time zones or languages, please click the = link:
https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D1928487= 47&UID=3D0&PW=3DNMjk5Mzk4OGVh&ORT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D
=
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To = join the audio conference only
= -------------------------------------------------------
To receive = a call back, provide your phone number when you join the meeting, or = call the number below and enter the access code.
Call-in toll-free = number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490
Call-in toll number (US/Canada): = 1-408-792-6300
Global call-in numbers: https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?s= erviceType=3DMC&ED=3D192848747&tollFree=3D1
Toll-free = dialing restrictions: http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf =

Access code:969 361 446

= -------------------------------------------------------
For = assistance
------------------------------------------------------- =
1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc
2. = On the left navigation bar, click "Support".

You can contact = me at:
rpelletier@isoc.org
= 1-703-652-9534

To add this meeting to your calendar program = (for example Microsoft Outlook), click this link:
https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D1928487= 47&UID=3D0&ICS=3DMI&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DrD= I6F/1n7MaNYuSjYQsNfMIwC2V4yt1xNXl2aervSsQ=3D&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D =

The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich = media files requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich = media files in the meeting, please check whether you have the players = installed on your computer by going to https:/= /workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php.

Sign = up for a free trial of WebEx
http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial

http://www.webex.com =

CCP:+14087926300x969361446#

IMPORTANT NOTICE: This = WebEx service includes a feature that allows audio and any documents and = other materials exchanged or viewed during the session to be recorded. = By joining this session, you automatically consent to such recordings. = If you do not consent to the recording, discuss your concerns with the = meeting host prior to the start of the recording or do not join the = session. Please note that any such recordings may be subject to = discovery in the event of litigation.
=

= --Apple-Mail-67--458863683-- From rpelletier@isoc.org Wed Apr 18 06:07:53 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB4E21F8585 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:07:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.67 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.67 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.467, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Qay4KJI7R7B for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com (smtp134.iad.emailsrvr.com [207.97.245.134]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C4E21F8581 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 06:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp23.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 295D6348A76 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:07:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp23.relay.iad1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: rpelletier-AT-isoc.org) with ESMTPSA id 325A2348A58 for ; Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:07:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Ray Pelletier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:07:44 -0400 Message-Id: <9BBB3A84-D4FE-4B35-8D15-A85DF736FBA0@isoc.org> To: tools-development@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Agenda and Webex for Wednesday 18 April Call X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 13:07:53 -0000 All Draft Agenda: 1. One SVN repository for all datatracker code 2. Ability to pre-approve -00 drafts 3. Paris Code Sprint Results 4. Tools Awaiting Deployment Community ID Tracking Tool WG Charter 5. Current Projects Charter Milestone Management Development Back End Development Convert Secretariat Tools to new DB Schema NomCom Tool Specs Remote Participation Services Spec Dev 6. RFIs Agenda Scheduling Mail Archive 7. AOB Ray Topic: Tools Cmte=20 Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2012=20 Time: 11:00 am, Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00)=20 Meeting Number: 969 361 446=20 Meeting Password: TOOLS=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D192848747&UID=3D0&PW=3DNM= jk5Mzk4OGVh&RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.=20 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: TOOLS=20 4. Click "Join".=20 To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:=20 = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D192848747&UID=3D0&PW=3DNM= jk5Mzk4OGVh&ORT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To join the audio conference only=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you join the = meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.=20 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490=20 Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300=20 Global call-in numbers: = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=3DMC&ED= =3D192848747&tollFree=3D1=20 Toll-free dialing restrictions: = http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf=20 Access code:969 361 446=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 For assistance=20 -------------------------------------------------------=20 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc=20 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".=20 You can contact me at:=20 rpelletier@isoc.org=20 1-703-652-9534=20 To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft = Outlook), click this link:=20 = https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=3D192848747&UID=3D0&ICS=3DM= I&LD=3D1&RD=3D2&ST=3D1&SHA2=3DrDI6F/1n7MaNYuSjYQsNfMIwC2V4yt1xNXl2aervSsQ=3D= &RT=3DMiMxMQ%3D%3D=20 The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media files = requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media files in = the meeting, please check whether you have the players installed on your = computer by going = tohttps://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php.=20 Sign up for a free trial of WebEx=20 http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial=20 http://www.webex.com=20 CCP:+14087926300x969361446#=20 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This WebEx service includes a feature that allows = audio and any documents and other materials exchanged or viewed during = the session to be recorded. By joining this session, you automatically = consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to the recording, = discuss your concerns with the meeting host prior to the start of the = recording or do not join the session. Please note that any such = recordings may be subject to discovery in the event of litigation.=20 From housley@vigilsec.com Thu Apr 19 10:49:35 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 241FF21F86CE for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:49:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.485 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.485 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.114, BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7vI7st2cW8+T for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8942821F86AD for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 10:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8031F24037 for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:49:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id atlA6FA8cfIK for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-96-231-45-157.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.231.45.157]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC201F2403B for ; Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:49:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 13:49:31 -0400 Message-Id: <825A7A2E-BED4-4B06-9395-BF8065427847@vigilsec.com> To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Filename Checks in I-D Submission Tool X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 17:49:35 -0000 This draft submission does not follow traditional convention: = draft-iiban-01.txt The IESG discussed this situation today, and we do not want to get = overly prescriptive, but we think that submission of this form should = require an additional acknowledgment step. That is, if the filename is = of this form draft--., then a screen = should be displayed with the filename conventions and a choice to = proceed / cancel. The tools team is not being asked to make up the text. That is already = available in http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.html. Does anyone have suggestions for the easiest way to implement this = additional check? Russ= From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Apr 23 04:53:43 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C0B21F86DC for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:53:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.574 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.574 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OZ8RyUtINyI1 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C1421F86D1 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 04:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=53808 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SMHps-00074H-GK; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:53:40 +0200 Message-ID: <4F9542BC.2020304@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:53:32 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.3) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/10.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <825A7A2E-BED4-4B06-9395-BF8065427847@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <825A7A2E-BED4-4B06-9395-BF8065427847@vigilsec.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig9D75791F4EE438D3B9EA7D14" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: housley@vigilsec.com, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Filename Checks in I-D Submission Tool X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 11:53:43 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig9D75791F4EE438D3B9EA7D14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Russ, On 2012-04-19 19:49 Russ Housley said: > This draft submission does not follow traditional convention: > draft-iiban-01.txt >=20 > The IESG discussed this situation today, and we do not want to get > overly prescriptive, but we think that submission of this form should > require an additional acknowledgment step. That is, if the filename > is of this form draft--., then a > screen should be displayed with the filename conventions and a choice > to proceed / cancel. >=20 > The tools team is not being asked to make up the text. That is > already available in > http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.html. >=20 > Does anyone have suggestions for the easiest way to implement this > additional check? When the naming of this draft was first mentioned, on the wgchairs list if I recall correctly, I started a new revision of idnits which would giv= e an error for such a filename (based on the existing 1id-guidelines text).= What you're indicating above is that this is too strong (as it would give an idnits error on submission, only permitting manual submission)? Or would the manual submission route be an acceptable implementation of what the IESG prefers? I can easily make this an idnits warning instead, but that would not give the additional acknowledgement step you request. Moving this out of idnits entirely would give a mismatch between what the submission tool requires and what idnits says based on 1id-guidelines= , which is probably sub-optimal. Best regards, Henrik --------------enig9D75791F4EE438D3B9EA7D14 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iEUEARECAAYFAk+VQsQACgkQeVhrtTJkXCMFxQCeM+/aZjBszHhSBvVMkxhKP3MK 24oAl0P43E0jxFpDYb69f9P+B612q8c= =gHx8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig9D75791F4EE438D3B9EA7D14-- From housley@vigilsec.com Mon Apr 23 07:12:22 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558D621F85CC for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:12:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D-Us796tjzNb for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (mail.smetech.net [208.254.26.82]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BADD221F85B6 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [208.254.26.81]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A2B59A471B; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:12:19 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([208.254.26.82]) by localhost (ronin.smetech.net [208.254.26.81]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G6i6JsEGkiq6; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.16.2.61] (unknown [195.70.5.235]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC279A470F; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4F9542BC.2020304@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:12:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1D6C7AEE-A268-4A10-9ADC-DEDFC9D9A9DF@vigilsec.com> References: <825A7A2E-BED4-4B06-9395-BF8065427847@vigilsec.com> <4F9542BC.2020304@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 1.3.3 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Filename Checks in I-D Submission Tool X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:12:22 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> This draft submission does not follow traditional convention: >> draft-iiban-01.txt >>=20 >> The IESG discussed this situation today, and we do not want to get >> overly prescriptive, but we think that submission of this form should >> require an additional acknowledgment step. That is, if the filename >> is of this form draft--., then a >> screen should be displayed with the filename conventions and a choice >> to proceed / cancel. >>=20 >> The tools team is not being asked to make up the text. That is >> already available in >> http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.html. >>=20 >> Does anyone have suggestions for the easiest way to implement this >> additional check? >=20 > When the naming of this draft was first mentioned, on the wgchairs = list > if I recall correctly, I started a new revision of idnits which would = give > an error for such a filename (based on the existing 1id-guidelines = text). >=20 > What you're indicating above is that this is too strong (as it would > give an idnits error on submission, only permitting manual = submission)? >=20 > Or would the manual submission route be an acceptable implementation > of what the IESG prefers? >=20 > I can easily make this an idnits warning instead, but that would not > give the additional acknowledgement step you request. >=20 > Moving this out of idnits entirely would give a mismatch between what > the submission tool requires and what idnits says based on = 1id-guidelines, > which is probably sub-optimal. The IESG does not want to spend a huge amount of time fine tuning a = policy. The return on that investment will be small. That is the = reason for the suggestion that the poster can proceed after a click. Russ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.17 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAk+VYzwACgkQiuTu0PWcEcuYegCfScZ8KYZ6qOqZTop0SBOeHzpJ SzgAoOXrjoFdJuJw4DmIhT8CLvb7WDug =3DBZdl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From henrik@levkowetz.com Mon Apr 23 08:26:15 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07DC021F8639 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:26:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -102.576 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-102.576 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.024, BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_RELAYS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9yFjSmeJDRWI for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from grenache.tools.ietf.org (grenache.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2a01:3f0:1:2::30]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B47421F861A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 08:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e] (port=54875 helo=brunello.netnod.se) by grenache.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.77) (envelope-from ) id 1SML9W-0007KM-1F; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:26:10 +0200 Message-ID: <4F95748E.4030800@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:26:06 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:10.0.3) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/10.0.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <825A7A2E-BED4-4B06-9395-BF8065427847@vigilsec.com> <4F9542BC.2020304@levkowetz.com> <1D6C7AEE-A268-4A10-9ADC-DEDFC9D9A9DF@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <1D6C7AEE-A268-4A10-9ADC-DEDFC9D9A9DF@vigilsec.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigDC786324ED43AE9A9441BEB8" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 2a01:3f0:1:0:21e:c2ff:fe13:7e3e X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: housley@vigilsec.com, tools-development@ietf.org, henrik-sent@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on grenache.tools.ietf.org) Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Filename Checks in I-D Submission Tool X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:26:15 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigDC786324ED43AE9A9441BEB8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Russ, On 2012-04-23 16:12 Russ Housley said: >=20 >>> This draft submission does not follow traditional convention: >>> draft-iiban-01.txt >>> >>> The IESG discussed this situation today, and we do not want to get >>> overly prescriptive, but we think that submission of this form should= >>> require an additional acknowledgment step. That is, if the filename >>> is of this form draft--., then a >>> screen should be displayed with the filename conventions and a choice= >>> to proceed / cancel. >>> >>> The tools team is not being asked to make up the text. That is >>> already available in >>> http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.html. >>> >>> Does anyone have suggestions for the easiest way to implement this >>> additional check? >=20 >> When the naming of this draft was first mentioned, on the wgchairs lis= t >> if I recall correctly, I started a new revision of idnits which would = give >> an error for such a filename (based on the existing 1id-guidelines tex= t). >=20 >> What you're indicating above is that this is too strong (as it would >> give an idnits error on submission, only permitting manual submission)= ? >=20 >> Or would the manual submission route be an acceptable implementation >> of what the IESG prefers? >=20 >> I can easily make this an idnits warning instead, but that would not >> give the additional acknowledgement step you request. >=20 >> Moving this out of idnits entirely would give a mismatch between what >> the submission tool requires and what idnits says based on 1id-guideli= nes, >> which is probably sub-optimal. >=20 > The IESG does not want to spend a huge amount of time fine tuning a > policy. The return on that investment will be small. That is the > reason for the suggestion that the poster can proceed after a click. Understood. I guess my point is that we currently have 3 possible outcomes of policy checks in the submission tool; this will add a 4th one. We currently have: * no warnings or errors -- autoposting is possible * warnings -- warnings are shown, but require no ack; autoposting is possible * errors -- manual posting is possible, but not autoposting We will now add a 4th outcome, with one policy check assigned to this category: * 'questionables' -- autoposting is possible only after reading and acknowledging an additional warning screen. So I was wondering if this case was special enough to warrant this additional outcome, or if we could handle it through one of the existing 3. Anyway; I'll start working on implementing 'questionables', even if I have some reservations about the proliferation of ways to handle and present policy checks. 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