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All -

For those who may not know me, I'm Glen Barney, the IT Director at
AMS, the IETF Secretariat.  I'm here at IETF Vancouver from now
through Tuesday afternoon, and would be happy to talk to anyone about
any questions, concerns, or ideas you may have, and/or anything
pertaining to IETF IT operations that you may wish to discuss!

I can always be reached by email at glen@amsl.com ; here in Vancouver
I can also be found at the Code Sprint on Saturday, in the Secretariat
area Sunday through Tuesday, or by phone at 778-323-5408 (Vancouver
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Please feel free to come talk to me about anything you wish at any
time!  I look forward to seeing those of you I already know, and/or
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I will be traveling on Nov 20th, so I cannot make the call.  Can the =
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My regrets as well.

Bob

On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

> I will be traveling on Nov 20th, so I cannot make the call.  Can the =
people that are able to make the call able to talk about  =
http://tools.ietf.org/tools/table?  I have suggested my top 3 for moving =
to the Secretariat-maintained servers.  I would like to figure out which =
ones we want to migrate by the end of 2014.
>=20
> Russ
>=20
>=20
>=20
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me also

On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:34 PM, Bob Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com> wrote:

> My regrets as well.
>=20
> Bob
>=20
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> =
wrote:
>=20
>> I will be traveling on Nov 20th, so I cannot make the call.  Can the =
people that are able to make the call able to talk about  =
http://tools.ietf.org/tools/table?  I have suggested my top 3 for moving =
to the Secretariat-maintained servers.  I would like to figure out which =
ones we want to migrate by the end of 2014.
>>=20
>> Russ
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> _______________________________________________
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>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development
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We know that moving the draft-foo mail aliases, the wiki pages and the =
issue trackers to the ietf.org servers is already being worked.  Those =
have become critical.

Those represent my top three...

Russ


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> I will be traveling on Nov 20th, so I cannot make the call.  Can the =
people that are able to make the call able to talk about  =
http://tools.ietf.org/tools/table?  I have suggested my top 3 for moving =
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On Nov 13, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

> We know that moving the draft-foo mail aliases, the wiki pages and the =
issue trackers to the ietf.org servers is already being worked.  Those =
have become critical.
>=20
> Those represent my top three=85

We will get an update on their progress on Wednesday's call next week.

Are there one or two others we should add to the list for getting to =
this year?

Ray




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> Russ
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> On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>=20
>> I will be traveling on Nov 20th, so I cannot make the call.  Can the =
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>>=20
>> Russ
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I do not see anything marked in the table not already marked critical 
that I believe has become critical.

Are there things that have become critical that are not listed in the table?
(I will continue to think, but I'm not finding anything immediate to 
point towards).

What's the current status of exposing the archive of the draft 
repository from the IETF servers?
Right now, we point to tools.ietf.org for older versions. Is the work 
for putting the older versions on the ietf servers complete?
I don't know the URL that exposes them.

The WG wiki pages and issue trackers are (I think) only one row in the 
table right now. Russ - if you see three rows matching your three 
things, please point at them - I may be misreading one of them.

Who currently has the pen for the table?

RjS



On 11/13/13 2:22 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
>
>> We know that moving the draft-foo mail aliases, the wiki pages and the issue trackers to the ietf.org servers is already being worked.  Those have become critical.
>>
>> Those represent my top three…
> We will get an update on their progress on Wednesday's call next week.
>
> Are there one or two others we should add to the list for getting to this year?
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
>> Russ
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
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>>>
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The tools team has managed this table.  I think Henrik has some =
automation for some parts because version numbers have been updated.

Russ


On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:59 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:

> I do not see anything marked in the table not already marked critical =
that I believe has become critical.
>=20
> Are there things that have become critical that are not listed in the =
table?
> (I will continue to think, but I'm not finding anything immediate to =
point towards).
>=20
> What's the current status of exposing the archive of the draft =
repository from the IETF servers?
> Right now, we point to tools.ietf.org for older versions. Is the work =
for putting the older versions on the ietf servers complete?
> I don't know the URL that exposes them.
>=20
> The WG wiki pages and issue trackers are (I think) only one row in the =
table right now. Russ - if you see three rows matching your three =
things, please point at them - I may be misreading one of them.
>=20
> Who currently has the pen for the table?
>=20
> RjS
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 11/13/13 2:22 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote:
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>> We know that moving the draft-foo mail aliases, the wiki pages and =
the issue trackers to the ietf.org servers is already being worked.  =
Those have become critical.
>>>=20
>>> Those represent my top three=85
>> We will get an update on their progress on Wednesday's call next =
week.
>>=20
>> Are there one or two others we should add to the list for getting to =
this year?
>>=20
>> Ray
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> Russ
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> I will be traveling on Nov 20th, so I cannot make the call.  Can =
the people that are able to make the call able to talk about  =
http://tools.ietf.org/tools/table?  I have suggested my top 3 for moving =
to the Secretariat-maintained servers.  I would like to figure out which =
ones we want to migrate by the end of 2014.
>>>>=20
>>>> Russ
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
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On 2013-11-13 21:59 Robert Sparks said:
> I do not see anything marked in the table not already marked critical 
> that I believe has become critical.
> 
> Are there things that have become critical that are not listed in the table?
> (I will continue to think, but I'm not finding anything immediate to 
> point towards).
> 
> What's the current status of exposing the archive of the draft 
> repository from the IETF servers?
> 
> Right now, we point to tools.ietf.org for older versions. Is the work 
> for putting the older versions on the ietf servers complete?
> I don't know the URL that exposes them.

This could be done in at least 3 different ways.  Currently, drafts exist
in 5 different directories on the webserver, and are symlinked into a
sixth directory for the purpose of providing one single place where
rfcdiff can look to find earlier copies of a draft to diff against.

The 5 locations are, in priority order:

1.  /a/www/ietf-ftp/internet-drafts/		# Secretariat repository (  5k docs)
2.  /a/www/www6s/draft-archive/			# Secretariat archive 	 ( 68k docs)
3.  /a/www/www6s/draft-archive/internet-drafts/	# Another secr. archive  (  6k docs)
4.  /a/www/www6s/draft-archive/unknown_ids/	# Another secr. archive  ( 41k docs)
5.  /a/www/www6s/draft-archive/expired_without_tombstone# Another arch.	 (  3k docs)
6.  /a/www/www6s/tool-id-archive/		# Snapshot of tools ar.	 ( 96k docs)

It's quite possible that there are items 3, 4, and 5 that should not be
included in the collection, but determining that requires detailed
investigation.  (Since the system was set up, Robert has done some
detailed scrutiny of some of the drafts involved in a different context,
and may have enough data to suggest changes).

Some of the different ways we could make this public are:

A.  Make 2. above visible and discoverable.  That's the archive to which we
    currently retire expired and replaced drafts.

B.  Make several of the archives on the list above visible, without any
    aggregation

C.  Make the symlink archive that rfcdiff uses visible and discoverable.
    That will include the tool-id-archive snapshot, which contains drafts
    with less known provenance than the rest.


> The WG wiki pages and issue trackers are (I think) only one row in the 
> table right now.

Yes.  They are essentially the same tool, and should not be dealt with
independently from each other.

> Russ - if you see three rows matching your three 
> things, please point at them - I may be misreading one of them.
> 
> Who currently has the pen for the table?

The table is generated from individual tool-specific files on the tools
servers.  The files resemble the Debian 'control' files, with some added
ietf-specific annotations.  Whenever I add a new tool to the set which is
exposed on the front page of tools.ietf.org, I do so by adding a control
file for it.  Both the tools front page and the table is then generated
from the control files.


Best regards,

	Henrik


> RjS
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/13/13 2:22 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote:
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 12:18 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We know that moving the draft-foo mail aliases, the wiki pages and the issue trackers to the ietf.org servers is already being worked.  Those have become critical.
>>>
>>> Those represent my top three…
>> We will get an update on their progress on Wednesday's call next week.
>>
>> Are there one or two others we should add to the list for getting to this year?
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Russ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 2:26 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>>>
>>>> I will be traveling on Nov 20th, so I cannot make the call.  Can the people that are able to make the call able to talk about  http://tools.ietf.org/tools/table?  I have suggested my top 3 for moving to the Secretariat-maintained servers.  I would like to figure out which ones we want to migrate by the end of 2014.
>>>>
>>>> Russ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>> Who currently has the pen for the table?

> The table is generated from individual tool-specific files on the tools
> servers.  The files resemble the Debian 'control' files, with some added
> ietf-specific annotations.  Whenever I add a new tool to the set which is
> exposed on the front page of tools.ietf.org, I do so by adding a control
> file for it.  Both the tools front page and the table is then generated
> from the control files.
>
How would you prefer to receive suggested updates to the data in each 
control file
(particularly that used to populate the table)?

Here's a few examples to start with:

I think you should add http://www.ipv.sx/draftr/. What information do 
you need
to do so?

Table row related things:

What is the priority column for? Everything there is "optional".
The Date column is empty. Could it be used for "Date this record was 
updated?"
The meaning of the dates in the Transition column is not clear - should 
they be replaced with something else?

Should id-submission, nomcom, and rfcdiff have their "Transition" 
column  marked done?
For nomcom (which is "IETF Nomcom Support Tool" on the front page) - do 
you still want to have the front page entry?

Those things already in progress should be marked in progress (or 
waiting to start if they're not actively in progress).
(email-aliases, wgtrac, idnits (?), xml2rfc (?) )


Front page related things:

The entry on the front page for " Extract ABNF from a document" appears 
twice.
Once above "Chrome: Rewrite IETF ID URLs..." and once below it.

Does "IETF database" still have legacy perl scripts?

"Download WG drafts" (Eric Rescorla) points to <http://tools.ietf.org/>.



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The table is generated from individual tool-specific files on the tools
servers.  The files resemble the Debian 'control' files, with some added
ietf-specific annotations.  Whenever I add a new tool to the set which is
exposed on the front page of tools.ietf.org, I do so by adding a control
file for it.  Both the tools front page and the table is then generated
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    How would you prefer to receive suggested updates to the data in
    each control file <br>
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    <br>
    Here's a few examples to start with:<br>
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    I think you should add <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.ipv.sx/draftr/">http://www.ipv.sx/draftr/</a>. What information
    do you need<br>
    to do so?<br>
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    Table row related things:<br>
    <br>
    What is the priority column for? Everything there is "optional".<br>
    The Date column is empty. Could it be used for "Date this record was
    updated?"<br>
    The meaning of the dates in the Transition column is not clear -
    should they be replaced with something else?<br>
    <br>
    Should id-submission, nomcom, and rfcdiff have their "Transition"
    column  marked done? <br>
    For nomcom (which is "IETF Nomcom Support Tool" on the front page) -
    do you still want to have the front page entry?<br>
    <br>
    Those things already in progress should be marked in progress (or
    waiting to start if they're not actively in progress).<br>
    (email-aliases, wgtrac, idnits (?), xml2rfc (?) )<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Front page related things:<br>
    <br>
    The entry on the front page for "
    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html;
      charset=windows-1252">
    Extract ABNF from a document" appears twice.<br>
    Once above "Chrome: Rewrite IETF ID URLs..." and once below it.<br>
    <br>
    Does "IETF database" still have legacy perl scripts?<br>
    <br>
    "Download WG drafts" (Eric Rescorla) points to
    <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://tools.ietf.org/">&lt;http://tools.ietf.org/&gt;</a>.<br>
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Hi Robert,

On 2013-11-14 16:16 Robert Sparks said the following:
>>> Who currently has the pen for the table?
> 
>> The table is generated from individual tool-specific files on the tools
>> servers.  The files resemble the Debian 'control' files, with some added
>> ietf-specific annotations.  Whenever I add a new tool to the set which is
>> exposed on the front page of tools.ietf.org, I do so by adding a control
>> file for it.  Both the tools front page and the table is then generated
>> from the control files.
>>
> How would you prefer to receive suggested updates to the data in each 
> control file
> (particularly that used to populate the table)?
> 
> Here's a few examples to start with:
> 
> I think you should add http://www.ipv.sx/draftr/. What information do 
> you need
> to do so?


I'd prefer to receive suggestions for new tools to list (on the front page
and in the table) from the authors/maintainers of the tool -- that automatically
gives me correct name and email addresses, and also makes sure they know that
the tool is listed, so that if needed they'll let me know if things change.

The format I use can be examplified by the following two entries; what I
normally ask for is the first line and the following paragraph under
description; those are used for tool title and description on the front
page.  The Ietf: entry indicates critical (or not):


Version: 0.11.7
Section: text
Ietf: critical
Priority: optional
Maintainer: Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com>

Package: wgtrac
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	please go to the WG status page and follow the link which says
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	the WG doesn't have a registered issue tracker.



Version: 
Section: text
Ietf: 
Priority: optional
Maintainer: Nico Williams <nico@cryptonector.com>, Yaron Sheffer <yaronf.ietf@gmail.com>


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> 
> Table row related things:
> 
> What is the priority column for? Everything there is "optional".

That's not used by us.  I can remove it.  It's part of the debian control
file format.

> The Date column is empty. Could it be used for "Date this record was 
> updated?"

Hmm.  I don't think it should be; and yes, we could use it for that.

> The meaning of the dates in the Transition column is not clear - should 
> they be replaced with something else?

It should be showing when a transition was made.

> Should id-submission, nomcom, and rfcdiff have their "Transition" 
> column  marked done?

I've used 'Done' only when I don't have a date to put there.  

> For nomcom (which is "IETF Nomcom Support Tool" on the front page) - do 
> you still want to have the front page entry?

I guess, yes, but it should point to the current tool.  Updated.

> Those things already in progress should be marked in progress (or 
> waiting to start if they're not actively in progress).
> (email-aliases, wgtrac, idnits (?), xml2rfc (?) )

Umm.  Where did you intend to put that?  idnits is already marked as
transitioned in December 2009.

> 
> 
> Front page related things:
> 
> The entry on the front page for " Extract ABNF from a document" appears 
> twice.
> Once above "Chrome: Rewrite IETF ID URLs..." and once below it.

Ah.  Fixed.

> Does "IETF database" still have legacy perl scripts?

Heh. No.  Fixed.

> "Download WG drafts" (Eric Rescorla) points to <http://tools.ietf.org/>.


It should point to the right directory on tools.  Fixed.


Best regards,

	Henrik

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Some continued discussion on a few points:

>> The meaning of the dates in the Transition column is not clear - should
>> they be replaced with something else?
> It should be showing when a transition was made.
Is there a way to make that more obvious? Maybe "completed {{date}}" or 
with a hint in the column header?
>
>> Should id-submission, nomcom, and rfcdiff have their "Transition"
>> column  marked done?
> I've used 'Done' only when I don't have a date to put there.
>
>> Those things already in progress should be marked in progress (or
>> waiting to start if they're not actively in progress).
>> (email-aliases, wgtrac, idnits (?), xml2rfc (?) )
> Umm.  Where did you intend to put that?  idnits is already marked as
> transitioned in December 2009.
Yet the datatracker still points to tools.ietf.org for that on each 
document's main page.
Where should it be pointing?

For the rest, I was suggesting putting that information in the 
Transition column.

RjS

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Hi Robert,

On 2013-11-14 17:24 Robert Sparks said the following:
> Some continued discussion on a few points:
> 
>>> The meaning of the dates in the Transition column is not clear - should
>>> they be replaced with something else?
>> It should be showing when a transition was made.
> Is there a way to make that more obvious? Maybe "completed {{date}}" or 
> with a hint in the column header?

Sure.  Fixed with 'Completed {{date}}'

>>> Should id-submission, nomcom, and rfcdiff have their "Transition"
>>> column  marked done?
>> I've used 'Done' only when I don't have a date to put there.
>>
>>> Those things already in progress should be marked in progress (or
>>> waiting to start if they're not actively in progress).
>>> (email-aliases, wgtrac, idnits (?), xml2rfc (?) )
>> Umm.  Where did you intend to put that?  idnits is already marked as
>> transitioned in December 2009.
> Yet the datatracker still points to tools.ietf.org for that on each 
> document's main page.
> Where should it be pointing?

http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/

> For the rest, I was suggesting putting that information in the 
> Transition column.

Ok. I've updated aliases and trac.  For xml2rfc I don't think we have a plan
for additional changes, and what they would be.


Best regards,

	Henrik

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I just tested this:

On 2013-11-14 17:32 Henrik Levkowetz said the following:
>> > Where should it be pointing?
> http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/

It doesn't seem to be working too well.  It also hasn't been updated with
the latest release I did; it seems that only has been updated to the latest
release I did, something that Glen and Steve have been doing routinely in
the past.


	Henrik



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On 11/14/13 10:37 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> I just tested this:
>
> On 2013-11-14 17:32 Henrik Levkowetz said the following:
>>>> Where should it be pointing?
>> http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/
> It doesn't seem to be working too well.  It also hasn't been updated with
> the latest release I did; it seems that only has been updated to the latest
> release I did, something that Glen and Steve have been doing routinely in
> the past.
I follow what you've said, but I'd like repeat it slightly differently 
to make sure others did.
I think you're saying that what's currently running is what you 
installed there yourself some time back,
and that you've released new code since then but the new releases didn't 
get installed.

This looks like a good test case for the moving-critical-tools document. 
Looking now to see what it
says about keeping up with new releases of a tool that continues to 
evolve externally... and it's silent.
Hmm.

In this particular case, what _should_ be triggering an update? If we 
had completed the transition,
user reports of trouble would have caught that we were not keeping up 
with bug fixes/new features.
Is resetting to the current release and relying on that enough, or 
should there be something like the
release messages for the datatracker to kick off activity?

More generally, should there be something that does version checks 
against anything that continues
to exist in the wild, and report when those versions are out of sync?

>
>
> 	Henrik
>
>


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Hi Robert,

On 2013-11-14 17:54 Robert Sparks said the following:
> On 11/14/13 10:37 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>> I just tested this:
>>
>> On 2013-11-14 17:32 Henrik Levkowetz said the following:
>>>>> Where should it be pointing?
>>> http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/
>> It doesn't seem to be working too well.  It also hasn't been updated with
>> the latest release I did; it seems that only has been updated to the latest
>> release I did, something that Glen and Steve have been doing routinely in
>> the past.

> I follow what you've said, but I'd like repeat it slightly differently 
> to make sure others did.
> I think you're saying that what's currently running is what you 
> installed there yourself some time back,
> and that you've released new code since then but the new releases didn't 
> get installed.

No, I've been doing releases regularly since the transition (21 of them,
excluding the latest, since December 2009: 
  http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/changelog), and they have always been
picked up and put in place.

> This looks like a good test case for the moving-critical-tools document. 
> Looking now to see what it
> says about keeping up with new releases of a tool that continues to 
> evolve externally... and it's silent.
> Hmm.

There used to be text about this, but I remember that from a long time ago.

> In this particular case, what _should_ be triggering an update?

For the transitioned tools which I still maintain, there's always a release
notification email which goes out to Glen and Steve when I do a release.

> If we 
> had completed the transition,
> user reports of trouble would have caught that we were not keeping up 
> with bug fixes/new features.
> Is resetting to the current release and relying on that enough, or 
> should there be something like the
> release messages for the datatracker to kick off activity?

There's something else, with the front-end script, which doesn't work as
it should.  This needs to be looked into separately.  With respect to the
release messages, they are already going out in much the same manner as
for the datatracker releases (the datatracker release notifications
actually inherited code from the idnits release message handling).

> More generally, should there be something that does version checks 
> against anything that continues
> to exist in the wild, and report when those versions are out of sync?

Hmm.  I don't think so.  Let people who use the services provide feedback,
assuming there's automatic release notifications going out.


Best regards,

	Henrik

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On 11/14/13 11:12 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Hi Robert,
>
> On 2013-11-14 17:54 Robert Sparks said the following:
>> On 11/14/13 10:37 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>> I just tested this:
>>>
>>> On 2013-11-14 17:32 Henrik Levkowetz said the following:
>>>>>> Where should it be pointing?
>>>> http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/
>>> It doesn't seem to be working too well.  It also hasn't been updated with
>>> the latest release I did; it seems that only has been updated to the latest
>>> release I did, something that Glen and Steve have been doing routinely in
>>> the past.
>> I follow what you've said, but I'd like repeat it slightly differently
>> to make sure others did.
>> I think you're saying that what's currently running is what you
>> installed there yourself some time back,
>> and that you've released new code since then but the new releases didn't
>> get installed.
> No, I've been doing releases regularly since the transition (21 of them,
> excluding the latest, since December 2009:
>    http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/changelog), and they have always been
> picked up and put in place.
Ok, then I can't parse your original sentence. You have two instances of
"latest release I did" that seem to contradict each other?
I guess the jist is that the most recent release didn't get picked up, 
and this
should be a ticket to get things back on track?
>
>> This looks like a good test case for the moving-critical-tools document.
>> Looking now to see what it
>> says about keeping up with new releases of a tool that continues to
>> evolve externally... and it's silent.
>> Hmm.
> There used to be text about this, but I remember that from a long time ago.
>
>> In this particular case, what _should_ be triggering an update?
> For the transitioned tools which I still maintain, there's always a release
> notification email which goes out to Glen and Steve when I do a release.
>
>> If we
>> had completed the transition,
>> user reports of trouble would have caught that we were not keeping up
>> with bug fixes/new features.
>> Is resetting to the current release and relying on that enough, or
>> should there be something like the
>> release messages for the datatracker to kick off activity?
> There's something else, with the front-end script, which doesn't work as
> it should.  This needs to be looked into separately.  With respect to the
> release messages, they are already going out in much the same manner as
> for the datatracker releases (the datatracker release notifications
> actually inherited code from the idnits release message handling).
>
>> More generally, should there be something that does version checks
>> against anything that continues
>> to exist in the wild, and report when those versions are out of sync?
> Hmm.  I don't think so.  Let people who use the services provide feedback,
> assuming there's automatic release notifications going out.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> 	Henrik


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Hi Robert,

On 2013-11-14 18:16 Robert Sparks said the following:
> On 11/14/13 11:12 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>> Hi Robert,
>>
>> On 2013-11-14 17:54 Robert Sparks said the following:
>>> On 11/14/13 10:37 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>>> I just tested this:
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-11-14 17:32 Henrik Levkowetz said the following:
>>>>>>> Where should it be pointing?
>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/
>>>> It doesn't seem to be working too well.  It also hasn't been updated with
>>>> the latest release I did; it seems that only has been updated to the latest
>>>> release I did, something that Glen and Steve have been doing routinely in
>>>> the past.
>>> I follow what you've said, but I'd like repeat it slightly differently
>>> to make sure others did.
>>> I think you're saying that what's currently running is what you
>>> installed there yourself some time back,
>>> and that you've released new code since then but the new releases didn't
>>> get installed.
>> No, I've been doing releases regularly since the transition (21 of them,
>> excluding the latest, since December 2009:
>>    http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/changelog), and they have always been
>> picked up and put in place.

> Ok, then I can't parse your original sentence. You have two instances of
> "latest release I did" that seem to contradict each other?

Oops, sorry :-) 

That should have read:

 It doesn't seem to be working too well.  It also hasn't been updated with
 the latest release I did; it seems that only has been updated to the previous
 release I did, something that Glen and Steve have been doing routinely in
 the past.

> I guess the jist is that the most recent release didn't get picked up, 
> and this
> should be a ticket to get things back on track?

Yes.


Best regards,

	Henrik

>>> This looks like a good test case for the moving-critical-tools document.
>>> Looking now to see what it
>>> says about keeping up with new releases of a tool that continues to
>>> evolve externally... and it's silent.
>>> Hmm.
>> There used to be text about this, but I remember that from a long time ago.
>>
>>> In this particular case, what _should_ be triggering an update?
>> For the transitioned tools which I still maintain, there's always a release
>> notification email which goes out to Glen and Steve when I do a release.
>>
>>> If we
>>> had completed the transition,
>>> user reports of trouble would have caught that we were not keeping up
>>> with bug fixes/new features.
>>> Is resetting to the current release and relying on that enough, or
>>> should there be something like the
>>> release messages for the datatracker to kick off activity?
>> There's something else, with the front-end script, which doesn't work as
>> it should.  This needs to be looked into separately.  With respect to the
>> release messages, they are already going out in much the same manner as
>> for the datatracker releases (the datatracker release notifications
>> actually inherited code from the idnits release message handling).
>>
>>> More generally, should there be something that does version checks
>>> against anything that continues
>>> to exist in the wild, and report when those versions are out of sync?
>> Hmm.  I don't think so.  Let people who use the services provide feedback,
>> assuming there's automatic release notifications going out.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> 	Henrik
> 
> 

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On 11/14/13 9:52 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>
>> For nomcom (which is "IETF Nomcom Support Tool" on the front page) - do
>> you still want to have the front page entry?
> I guess, yes, but it should point to the current tool.  Updated.
Thinking about this more. The nomcom tool became part of the datatracker.

The datatracker is already a row in the table. Should things that are 
integrated
remain as separate entries in general?

It would be nice not to accrue lots of rows that aren't really talking 
about the
current status of the tool. (Or if the current status is "became part of 
something
else", it would be nice to move those rows out of the way so that we 
have a view
of this table that drives the focus towards inspecting active things 
that may be
candidates for work).

Also, as we are accruing more functionality into the datatracker itself, 
should
we have a page (or do we already) that speaks to the current major 
functional
pieces?


RjS

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HI Henrik,

You're right, I seem to have missed an idnits deployment.  This has now
been done, apologies for the delay.

Best regards,
Steve

On 11/14/13 9:19 AM, "Henrik Levkowetz" <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:

>Hi Robert,
>
>On 2013-11-14 18:16 Robert Sparks said the following:
>> On 11/14/13 11:12 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>> Hi Robert,
>>>
>>> On 2013-11-14 17:54 Robert Sparks said the following:
>>>> On 11/14/13 10:37 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>>>> I just tested this:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2013-11-14 17:32 Henrik Levkowetz said the following:
>>>>>>>> Where should it be pointing?
>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/
>>>>> It doesn't seem to be working too well.  It also hasn't been updated
>>>>>with
>>>>> the latest release I did; it seems that only has been updated to the
>>>>>latest
>>>>> release I did, something that Glen and Steve have been doing
>>>>>routinely in
>>>>> the past.
>>>> I follow what you've said, but I'd like repeat it slightly differently
>>>> to make sure others did.
>>>> I think you're saying that what's currently running is what you
>>>> installed there yourself some time back,
>>>> and that you've released new code since then but the new releases
>>>>didn't
>>>> get installed.
>>> No, I've been doing releases regularly since the transition (21 of
>>>them,
>>> excluding the latest, since December 2009:
>>>    http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/changelog), and they have always
>>>been
>>> picked up and put in place.
>
>> Ok, then I can't parse your original sentence. You have two instances of
>> "latest release I did" that seem to contradict each other?
>
>Oops, sorry :-) 
>
>That should have read:
>
> It doesn't seem to be working too well.  It also hasn't been updated with
> the latest release I did; it seems that only has been updated to the
>previous
> release I did, something that Glen and Steve have been doing routinely in
> the past.
>
>> I guess the jist is that the most recent release didn't get picked up,
>> and this
>> should be a ticket to get things back on track?
>
>Yes.
>
>
>Best regards,
>
>	Henrik
>
>>>> This looks like a good test case for the moving-critical-tools
>>>>document.
>>>> Looking now to see what it
>>>> says about keeping up with new releases of a tool that continues to
>>>> evolve externally... and it's silent.
>>>> Hmm.
>>> There used to be text about this, but I remember that from a long time
>>>ago.
>>>
>>>> In this particular case, what _should_ be triggering an update?
>>> For the transitioned tools which I still maintain, there's always a
>>>release
>>> notification email which goes out to Glen and Steve when I do a
>>>release.
>>>
>>>> If we
>>>> had completed the transition,
>>>> user reports of trouble would have caught that we were not keeping up
>>>> with bug fixes/new features.
>>>> Is resetting to the current release and relying on that enough, or
>>>> should there be something like the
>>>> release messages for the datatracker to kick off activity?
>>> There's something else, with the front-end script, which doesn't work
>>>as
>>> it should.  This needs to be looked into separately.  With respect to
>>>the
>>> release messages, they are already going out in much the same manner as
>>> for the datatracker releases (the datatracker release notifications
>>> actually inherited code from the idnits release message handling).
>>>
>>>> More generally, should there be something that does version checks
>>>> against anything that continues
>>>> to exist in the wild, and report when those versions are out of sync?
>>> Hmm.  I don't think so.  Let people who use the services provide
>>>feedback,
>>> assuming there's automatic release notifications going out.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> 	Henrik
>> 
>> 
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Hi Steve,

On 2013-11-14 18:58 Steve Young said the following:
> HI Henrik,
> 
> You're right, I seem to have missed an idnits deployment.  This has now
> been done, apologies for the delay.

Thanks!  Slip-ups can happen; as I mentioned earlier there's a sequence
of 21 previous releases since the transfer which have been taken care of
just fine :-)


Best regards,

	Henrik

> Best regards,
> Steve
> 
> On 11/14/13 9:19 AM, "Henrik Levkowetz" <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:
> 
>>Hi Robert,
>>
>>On 2013-11-14 18:16 Robert Sparks said the following:
>>> On 11/14/13 11:12 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>>> Hi Robert,
>>>>
>>>> On 2013-11-14 17:54 Robert Sparks said the following:
>>>>> On 11/14/13 10:37 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>>>>> I just tested this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2013-11-14 17:32 Henrik Levkowetz said the following:
>>>>>>>>> Where should it be pointing?
>>>>>>> http://www.ietf.org/tools/idnits/
>>>>>> It doesn't seem to be working too well.  It also hasn't been updated
>>>>>>with
>>>>>> the latest release I did; it seems that only has been updated to the
>>>>>>latest
>>>>>> release I did, something that Glen and Steve have been doing
>>>>>>routinely in
>>>>>> the past.
>>>>> I follow what you've said, but I'd like repeat it slightly differently
>>>>> to make sure others did.
>>>>> I think you're saying that what's currently running is what you
>>>>> installed there yourself some time back,
>>>>> and that you've released new code since then but the new releases
>>>>>didn't
>>>>> get installed.
>>>> No, I've been doing releases regularly since the transition (21 of
>>>>them,
>>>> excluding the latest, since December 2009:
>>>>    http://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/changelog), and they have always
>>>>been
>>>> picked up and put in place.
>>
>>> Ok, then I can't parse your original sentence. You have two instances of
>>> "latest release I did" that seem to contradict each other?
>>
>>Oops, sorry :-) 
>>
>>That should have read:
>>
>> It doesn't seem to be working too well.  It also hasn't been updated with
>> the latest release I did; it seems that only has been updated to the
>>previous
>> release I did, something that Glen and Steve have been doing routinely in
>> the past.
>>
>>> I guess the jist is that the most recent release didn't get picked up,
>>> and this
>>> should be a ticket to get things back on track?
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>	Henrik
>>
>>>>> This looks like a good test case for the moving-critical-tools
>>>>>document.
>>>>> Looking now to see what it
>>>>> says about keeping up with new releases of a tool that continues to
>>>>> evolve externally... and it's silent.
>>>>> Hmm.
>>>> There used to be text about this, but I remember that from a long time
>>>>ago.
>>>>
>>>>> In this particular case, what _should_ be triggering an update?
>>>> For the transitioned tools which I still maintain, there's always a
>>>>release
>>>> notification email which goes out to Glen and Steve when I do a
>>>>release.
>>>>
>>>>> If we
>>>>> had completed the transition,
>>>>> user reports of trouble would have caught that we were not keeping up
>>>>> with bug fixes/new features.
>>>>> Is resetting to the current release and relying on that enough, or
>>>>> should there be something like the
>>>>> release messages for the datatracker to kick off activity?
>>>> There's something else, with the front-end script, which doesn't work
>>>>as
>>>> it should.  This needs to be looked into separately.  With respect to
>>>>the
>>>> release messages, they are already going out in much the same manner as
>>>> for the datatracker releases (the datatracker release notifications
>>>> actually inherited code from the idnits release message handling).
>>>>
>>>>> More generally, should there be something that does version checks
>>>>> against anything that continues
>>>>> to exist in the wild, and report when those versions are out of sync?
>>>> Hmm.  I don't think so.  Let people who use the services provide
>>>>feedback,
>>>> assuming there's automatic release notifications going out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>>
>>>> 	Henrik
>>> 
>>> 
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Hi Robert,

On 2013-11-14 18:22 Robert Sparks said the following:
> On 11/14/13 9:52 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>> 
>>> For nomcom (which is "IETF Nomcom Support Tool" on the front
>>> page) - do you still want to have the front page entry?

>> I guess, yes, but it should point to the current tool.  Updated.

> Thinking about this more. The nomcom tool became part of the
> datatracker.
> 
> The datatracker is already a row in the table. Should things that are
>  integrated remain as separate entries in general?

Maybe eventually, but people who knew where to find the nomcom tool in the
past, but don't know where it is now, might go to the tools front page and
look for it.  It should be possible to find it there for some time, I think.

> It would be nice not to accrue lots of rows that aren't really
> talking about the current status of the tool. (Or if the current
> status is "became part of something else", it would be nice to move
> those rows out of the way so that we have a view of this table that
> drives the focus towards inspecting active things that may be 
> candidates for work).

For that purpose, yes.  For the purpose of seeing history, it's still nice
to see things that have been taken care of.  I can always build another table
that does a different selection, of course.

> Also, as we are accruing more functionality into the datatracker
> itself, should we have a page (or do we already) that speaks to the
> current major functional pieces?

Maybe, unless that should be simply a function of the lefthand menubar
of the datatracker itself?


Best regards,

	Henrik


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Russ wrote:
> I will be traveling on Nov 20th, so I cannot make the call.=20

and Ray wrote:
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Hm. Several months ago I thought the ongoing time for this call had been =
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19th, not 20th.

Did the ongoing schedule get reverted to Wednesdays?

Thanks,
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Alice

You are correct=20

I will modify the WebEx details to Tuesday at 1:00 PM

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All;

Rescheduled to the regular day and time - Tuesday 19 November at 1:00 PM =
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December has been scheduled for 10 December at 1:00 PM EST.

Ray


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On 11/17/13 8:00 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote:
> All;
>
> Rescheduled to the regular day and time - Tuesday 19 November at 1:00 
> PM EST, GMT -05
I will be on a plane during that time.
>
> December has been scheduled for 10 December at 1:00 PM EST.
>
> Ray
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *From: *Ray Pelletier <messenger@webex.com <mailto:messenger@webex.com>>
>> *Subject: **Meeting rescheduled: Tools Cmte*
>> *Date: *November 17, 2013 10:58:22 PM EST
>> *To: *rpelletier@isoc.org <mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org>
>> *Reply-To: *rpelletier@isoc.org <mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org>
>>
>>
>> Hello Ray Pelletier,
>>
>> Ray Pelletier changed the date and time for this online meeting.
>>
>> Topic: Tools Cmte
>> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2013
>> Time: 1:00 pm, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)
>> Meeting Number: 960 578 089
>> Meeting Password: Tools
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!)
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> 1. Go to 
>> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=264545602&UID=1588752392&PW=NZWI5ODI2ZTdj&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D 
>>
>> 2. If requested, enter your name and email address.
>> 3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password: Tools
>> 4. Click "Join".
>>
>> To view in other time zones or languages, please click the link:
>> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=264545602&UID=1588752392&PW=NZWI5ODI2ZTdj&ORT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D 
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> To join the audio conference only
>> -------------------------------------------------------
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>> meeting, or call the number below and enter the access code.
>> Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490
>> Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300
>> Global call-in numbers: 
>> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=MC&ED=264545602&tollFree=1 
>>
>> Toll-free dialing restrictions: 
>> http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf
>>
>> Access code:960 578 089
>>
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> For assistance
>> -------------------------------------------------------
>> 1. Go to https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc
>> 2. On the left navigation bar, click "Support".
>>
>> You can contact me at:
>> rpelletier@isoc.org <mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org>
>> 1-703-652-9534
>>
>> To update this meeting to your calendar program (for example 
>> Microsoft Outlook), click this link:
>> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=264545602&UID=1588752392&ICS=MRS1&LD=1&RD=2&ST=1&SHA2=-JCnt8g680M0TJ9OZLSRPuXVS4dEdw/t3QT6fDqyDQk=&RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D 
>>
>>
>>
>> WebEx will automatically setup Meeting Manager for Windows the first 
>> time you join a meeting. To save time, you can setup prior to the 
>> meeting by clicking this link:
>> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/meetingcenter/mcsetup.php
>>
>>
>> The playback of UCF (Universal Communications Format) rich media 
>> files requires appropriate players. To view this type of rich media 
>> files in the meeting, please check whether you have the players 
>> installed on your computer by going to 
>> https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/systemdiagnosis.php.
>>
>> Sign up for a free trial of WebEx
>> http://www.webex.com/go/mcemfreetrial
>>
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>>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/17/13 8:00 PM, Ray Pelletier
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      <div>Rescheduled to the regular day and time - Tuesday 19 November
        at 1:00 PM EST, GMT -05</div>
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    I will be on a plane during that time.<br>
    <blockquote cite="mid:0788380C-89FE-4C93-B45E-2BCD3FEC2728@isoc.org"
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      <div>December has been scheduled for 10 December at 1:00 PM EST.</div>
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      <div>Ray</div>
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                  rescheduled: Tools Cmte</b><br>
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                style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;
                color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);"><b>Date: </b></span><span
                style="font-family:'Helvetica'; font-size:medium;">November
                17, 2013 10:58:22 PM EST<br>
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              Hello Ray Pelletier, <br>
              <br>
              Ray Pelletier changed the date and time for this online
              meeting. <br>
              <br>
              Topic: Tools Cmte <br>
              Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 <br>
              Time: 1:00 pm, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)
              <br>
              Meeting Number: 960 578 089 <br>
              Meeting Password: Tools <br>
              <br>
              <br>
              ------------------------------------------------------- <br>
              To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) <br>
              ------------------------------------------------------- <br>
              1. Go to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=264545602&amp;UID=1588752392&amp;PW=NZWI5ODI2ZTdj&amp;RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D"
                target="_blank">https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=264545602&amp;UID=1588752392&amp;PW=NZWI5ODI2ZTdj&amp;RT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D</a>
              <br>
              2. If requested, enter your name and email address. <br>
              3. If a password is required, enter the meeting password:
              Tools <br>
              4. Click "Join". <br>
              <br>
              To view in other time zones or languages, please click the
              link: <br>
              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/j.php?ED=264545602&amp;UID=1588752392&amp;PW=NZWI5ODI2ZTdj&amp;ORT=MiMxMQ%3D%3D"
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              <br>
              <br>
              ------------------------------------------------------- <br>
              To join the audio conference only <br>
              ------------------------------------------------------- <br>
              To receive a call back, provide your phone number when you
              join the meeting, or call the number below and enter the
              access code. <br>
              Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada): 1-877-668-4490 <br>
              Call-in toll number (US/Canada): 1-408-792-6300 <br>
              Global call-in numbers: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/globalcallin.php?serviceType=MC&amp;ED=264545602&amp;tollFree=1"
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href="http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf"
                target="_blank">http://www.webex.com/pdf/tollfree_restrictions.pdf</a>
              <br>
              <br>
              Access code:960 578 089 <br>
              <br>
              ------------------------------------------------------- <br>
              For assistance <br>
              ------------------------------------------------------- <br>
              1. Go to <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                href="https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc"
                target="_blank">https://workgreen.webex.com/workgreen/mc</a>
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              <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Tools Call 19 Nov 13

Attendees

Alexa
Alica
Henrik
Scott
Tony
Ryan
Ray

1. Datatracker Projects
  - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik

	Henrik - release 3 days ago and another one this current =
weekend; after that the shim removal; expecting more from Michael, but =
no date

  - Agenda Scheduling Development -- Sandalman

	Henrik - Robert has schedule, hope to get all wrapped up by =
Christmas

  - Shim Layer Removal Work Order -- IOLA
	Ray - finished up and asked for a last WO to finish

2. Community & Other Projects
  - NomCom Tool Deployment Status -- Yaco
	Henrik - in use, has issues, being fixed by himself, if larger, =
YACO; longer and longer time between issues; possibly see more during =
next phase, i.e., NomCom working with data

  - Mail Search & Archive Tool -- AMS
	Ryan - been working on tasks from Vancouver mtg; fix a bug with =
private list messages; mailman import system; plan is to resume external =
testing later this week; look to wrap up in early Dec

  - IAOC & Trust Website Makeover -- AMS
	Alexa - we have a few remaining changes, will do tomorrow and =
get out to Trustees; have been working on document HTML changes; to =
Trustees this week; expect to be online next week

3. RFC Services Projects
  - xml2rfc bug fixes -- Alice and Henrik
	Alice - thanks Henrik for new release; and code sprint folks
	Henrik - hope to finish up a number of items next few days

  - RSE Design Team
	Alice - revisiting discussion of PDF, came out the BoF.
	Tony - Heather thought the discussions were useful

  - Improve rfc-editor.org website
	Nothing further
  - Stats & graphs tools
	AMS working on stats; should be done by end of year; by stream =
and status

4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools
  - Moving mail aliases to ietf.org and link them to datatracker =
database
	Henrik - discussed with Glen in Vancouver; need to generate 2 =
different files, because of server setup; go through virtual and actual =
list; Glen on vacation; will get done after he returns, in early Dec

  - Issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org
	Henrik - Glen and he did not pursue deeply in Vancouver, after =
he returns from vacation.

  - Internet-Draft dependencies
	Henrik - Robert has done a lot of work; will run script and =
populate database with dependency info; still need to generate =
additional code;

5. AOB
None
On Nov 17, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> =
wrote:

> On 11/17/13 8:00 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote:
>> All;
>>=20
>> Rescheduled to the regular day and time - Tuesday 19 November at 1:00 =
PM EST, GMT -05
> I will be on a plane during that time.
>>=20
>> December has been scheduled for 10 December at 1:00 PM EST.
>>=20
>> Ray
>>=20
>>=20
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>=20
>>> From: Ray Pelletier <messenger@webex.com>
>>> Subject: Meeting rescheduled: Tools Cmte
>>> Date: November 17, 2013 10:58:22 PM EST
>>> To: rpelletier@isoc.org
>>> Reply-To: rpelletier@isoc.org
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Hello Ray Pelletier,=20
>>>=20
>>> Ray Pelletier changed the date and time for this online meeting.=20
>>>=20
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"><div>Tools Call 19 Nov =
13</div><div><br></div><div>Attendees</div><div><br></div><div>Alexa</div>=
<div>Alica</div><div>Henrik</div><div>Scott</div><div>Tony</div><div>Ryan<=
/div><div>Ray</div><div><br></div><div>1. Datatracker =
Projects</div><div>&nbsp; - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and =
Henrik</div><div><br></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Henrik - release 3 days ago and =
another one this current weekend; after that the shim removal; expecting =
more from Michael, but no date</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; - Agenda =
Scheduling Development -- Sandalman</div><div><br></div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Henrik - =
Robert has schedule, hope to get all wrapped up by =
Christmas</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; - Shim Layer Removal Work =
Order -- IOLA</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Ray - finished up and asked for a =
last WO to finish</div><div><br></div><div>2. Community &amp; Other =
Projects</div><div>&nbsp; - NomCom Tool Deployment Status -- =
Yaco</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Henrik - in use, has issues, being fixed by himself, if larger, =
YACO; longer and longer time between issues; possibly see more during =
next phase, i.e., NomCom working with =
data</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; - Mail Search &amp; Archive Tool -- =
AMS</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Ryan - been working on tasks from Vancouver mtg; fix a bug with =
private list messages; mailman import system; plan is to resume external =
testing later this week; look to wrap up in early =
Dec</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; - IAOC &amp; Trust Website Makeover =
-- AMS</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">=
	</span>Alexa - we have a few remaining changes, will do tomorrow =
and get out to Trustees; have been working on document HTML changes; to =
Trustees this week; expect to be online next =
week</div><div><br></div><div>3. RFC Services Projects</div><div>&nbsp; =
- xml2rfc bug fixes -- Alice and Henrik</div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Alice - =
thanks Henrik for new release; and code sprint folks</div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Henrik - =
hope to finish up a number of items next few =
days</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; - RSE Design Team</div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Alice - =
revisiting discussion of PDF, came out the BoF.</div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Tony - =
Heather thought the discussions were =
useful</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; - Improve <a =
href=3D"http://rfc-editor.org">rfc-editor.org</a> =
website</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Nothing further</div><div>&nbsp; =
- Stats &amp; graphs tools</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>AMS working on stats; should be =
done by end of year; by stream and status</div><div><br></div><div>4. =
Transition of Mission Critical Tools</div><div>&nbsp; - Moving mail =
aliases to <a href=3D"http://ietf.org">ietf.org</a> and link them to =
datatracker database</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Henrik - discussed with Glen in =
Vancouver; need to generate 2 different files, because of server setup; =
go through virtual and actual list; Glen on vacation; will get done =
after he returns, in early Dec</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; - Issue =
trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on <a =
href=3D"http://ietf.org">ietf.org</a></div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Henrik - =
Glen and he did not pursue deeply in Vancouver, after he returns from =
vacation.</div><div><br></div><div>&nbsp; - Internet-Draft =
dependencies</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Henrik - Robert has done a lot of =
work; will run script and populate database with dependency info; still =
need to generate additional code;</div><div><br></div><div>5. =
AOB</div><div>None</div><div><div>On Nov 17, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Robert =
Sparks &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:rjsparks@nostrum.com">rjsparks@nostrum.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 11/17/13 8:00 PM, Ray Pelletier
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite=3D"mid:0788380C-89FE-4C93-B45E-2BCD3FEC2728@isoc.org"=
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      All;
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      <div>Rescheduled to the regular day and time - Tuesday 19 November
        at 1:00 PM EST, GMT -05</div>
    </blockquote>
    I will be on a plane during that time.<br>
    <blockquote cite=3D"mid:0788380C-89FE-4C93-B45E-2BCD3FEC2728@isoc.org"=
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      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>December has been scheduled for 10 December at 1:00 PM =
EST.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Ray</div>
      <div><br>
        <div><br>
          <div>Begin forwarded message:</div>
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style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>From: =
</b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium;">Ray
                Pelletier &lt;<a moz-do-not-send=3D"true" =
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            <div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
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style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; "><b>Subject: =
</b></span><span style=3D"font-family:'Helvetica'; =
font-size:medium;"><b>Meeting
                  rescheduled: Tools Cmte</b><br>
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            <div style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px;
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font-size:medium;">November
                17, 2013 10:58:22 PM EST<br>
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              Ray Pelletier changed the date and time for this online
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One correction, inline:

On 2013-11-19 19:26 Ray Pelletier said the following:
> Tools Call 19 Nov 13
> 
> Attendees
> 
> Alexa
> Alica
> Henrik
> Scott
> Tony
> Ryan
> Ray
> 
> 1. Datatracker Projects
>   - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik
> 
> 	Henrik - release 3 days ago and another one this current weekend; after that the shim removal; expecting more from Michael, but no date

The release 3 days ago was an xml2rfc release, and I'll be working on fixing
xml2rfc bugs during this week, too.  After that I'll get back to datatracker
merges and releases.


Best regards,

	Henrik

>   - Agenda Scheduling Development -- Sandalman
> 
> 	Henrik - Robert has schedule, hope to get all wrapped up by Christmas
> 
>   - Shim Layer Removal Work Order -- IOLA
> 	Ray - finished up and asked for a last WO to finish
> 
> 2. Community & Other Projects
>   - NomCom Tool Deployment Status -- Yaco
> 	Henrik - in use, has issues, being fixed by himself, if larger, YACO; longer and longer time between issues; possibly see more during next phase, i.e., NomCom working with data
> 
>   - Mail Search & Archive Tool -- AMS
> 	Ryan - been working on tasks from Vancouver mtg; fix a bug with private list messages; mailman import system; plan is to resume external testing later this week; look to wrap up in early Dec
> 
>   - IAOC & Trust Website Makeover -- AMS
> 	Alexa - we have a few remaining changes, will do tomorrow and get out to Trustees; have been working on document HTML changes; to Trustees this week; expect to be online next week
> 
> 3. RFC Services Projects
>   - xml2rfc bug fixes -- Alice and Henrik
> 	Alice - thanks Henrik for new release; and code sprint folks
> 	Henrik - hope to finish up a number of items next few days
> 
>   - RSE Design Team
> 	Alice - revisiting discussion of PDF, came out the BoF.
> 	Tony - Heather thought the discussions were useful
> 
>   - Improve rfc-editor.org website
> 	Nothing further
>   - Stats & graphs tools
> 	AMS working on stats; should be done by end of year; by stream and status
> 
> 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools
>   - Moving mail aliases to ietf.org and link them to datatracker database
> 	Henrik - discussed with Glen in Vancouver; need to generate 2 different files, because of server setup; go through virtual and actual list; Glen on vacation; will get done after he returns, in early Dec
> 
>   - Issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org
> 	Henrik - Glen and he did not pursue deeply in Vancouver, after he returns from vacation.
> 
>   - Internet-Draft dependencies
> 	Henrik - Robert has done a lot of work; will run script and populate database with dependency info; still need to generate additional code;
> 
> 5. AOB
> None
> On Nov 17, 2013, at 11:07 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 11/17/13 8:00 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote:
>>> All;
>>> 
>>> Rescheduled to the regular day and time - Tuesday 19 November at 1:00 PM EST, GMT -05
>> I will be on a plane during that time.
>>> 
>>> December has been scheduled for 10 December at 1:00 PM EST.
>>> 
>>> Ray
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
>>>> From: Ray Pelletier <messenger@webex.com>
>>>> Subject: Meeting rescheduled: Tools Cmte
>>>> Date: November 17, 2013 10:58:22 PM EST
>>>> To: rpelletier@isoc.org
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Ray Pelletier, 
>>>> 
>>>> Ray Pelletier changed the date and time for this online meeting. 
>>>> 
>>>> Topic: Tools Cmte 
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(Well, this is frustrating - I assumed you had this message for the call 
- it wedged in send processing while I was boarding and I didn't notice 
it while on the plane - grr - sending anyhow for completeness. Apologies 
it was not in time for the call).


As I noted, I'll be on an airplane at this meeting time.
I will be available by jabber if the plane wifi cooperates.

A very short synopsis written from the boarding area - Hopefully others 
on the call can expand as necessary:

* Agenda:
   The known bugs/enhancements have been reclassified at
    <http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/report/26>. The "Future" 
milestone captures those that we will
    address outside the current project. Michael is focusing first on 
closing the issues in the "manual placement"
    milestone.
    I am working on a description of done for handing off the current 
automatic placement code.
    I am also working on scope for the javascript testing for this 
component, and the infrastructure that we will use
    between now and when we upgrade Django.
    I expect Michael to turn focus to handing off the automatic 
placement code and providing javascript tests in the
    next couple of weeks.

* Mail Archive
   Ryan is finishing the plumbing that will allow the archive tool to 
ingest new messages, and rehoming the test
   server because of the deployment of the new IETF server. I expect to 
bring new friendly testers on in the next
   few days.

* Shim Removal
    Nearing completion.

* Django upgrade
    Waiting to start (but I expect it to start very soon)

* Merges and Deployments
    We have several large merges approaching that need to happen before 
year end,
    and several smaller things already in the merge queue:
    * shim removal
    * django upgrade
    * completion of the agenda project
    * fixes/new functionality building on the Vancouver sprint
   I am gathering information to build an expected release schedule.

Apologies that I couldn't make that shorter. Hope it helps during 
today's discussions.
Again, I hope to be available via jabber during the call.

RjS

On 11/17/13 8:00 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote:
> All;
>
> Rescheduled to the regular day and time - Tuesday 19 November at 1:00 
> PM EST, GMT -05
>
> December has been scheduled for 10 December at 1:00 PM EST.
>
> Ray
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>> *From: *Ray Pelletier <messenger@webex.com <mailto:messenger@webex.com>>
>> *Subject: **Meeting rescheduled: Tools Cmte*
>> *Date: *November 17, 2013 10:58:22 PM EST
>> *To: *rpelletier@isoc.org <mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org>
>> *Reply-To: *rpelletier@isoc.org <mailto:rpelletier@isoc.org>
>>
>>
>> Hello Ray Pelletier,
>>
>> Ray Pelletier changed the date and time for this online meeting.
>>
>> Topic: Tools Cmte
>> Date: Tuesday, November 19, 2013
>> Time: 1:00 pm, Eastern Standard Time (New York, GMT-05:00)
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">(Well, this is frustrating - I assumed
      you had this message for the call - it wedged in send processing
      while I was boarding and I didn't notice it while on the plane -
      grr - sending anyhow for completeness. Apologies it was not in
      time for the call).<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      As I noted, I'll be on an airplane at this meeting time.<br>
      I will be available by jabber if the plane wifi cooperates.<br>
      <br>
      A very short synopsis written from the boarding area - Hopefully
      others on the call can expand as necessary:<br>
      <br>
      * Agenda:<br>
      &nbsp; The known bugs/enhancements have been reclassified at <br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/report/26">&lt;http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/report/26&gt;</a>. The
      "Future" milestone captures those that we will<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; address outside the current project. Michael is focusing first
      on closing the issues in the "manual placement"<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; milestone.<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; I am working on a description of done for handing off the
      current automatic placement code.<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; I am also working on scope for the javascript testing for this
      component, and the infrastructure that we will use<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; between now and when we upgrade Django.<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; I expect Michael to turn focus to handing off the automatic
      placement code and providing javascript tests in the<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; next couple of weeks.<br>
      <br>
      * Mail Archive<br>
      &nbsp; Ryan is finishing the plumbing that will allow the archive tool
      to ingest new messages, and rehoming the test<br>
      &nbsp; server because of the deployment of the new IETF server. I
      expect to bring new friendly testers on in the next<br>
      &nbsp; few days.<br>
      <br>
      * Shim Removal<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; Nearing completion.<br>
      <br>
      * Django upgrade<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; Waiting to start (but I expect it to start very soon)<br>
      <br>
      * Merges and Deployments<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; We have several large merges approaching that need to happen
      before year end, <br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; and several smaller things already in the merge queue:<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; * shim removal<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; * django upgrade<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; * completion of the agenda project<br>
      &nbsp;&nbsp; * fixes/new functionality building on the Vancouver sprint<br>
      &nbsp; I am gathering information to build an expected release
      schedule.<br>
      <br>
      Apologies that I couldn't make that shorter. Hope it helps during
      today's discussions.<br>
      Again, I hope to be available via jabber during the call.<br>
      <br>
      RjS<br>
      <br>
      On 11/17/13 8:00 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote:<br>
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              Ray Pelletier changed the date and time for this online
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tools-development folks:

I am recruiting the next round of testers for the web-based archive (see 
the message below).
I would appreciate it if each of you would also spend some time with 
this test instance.

The server is at http://test114.ietf.org/archive. Please exercise it 
some before and after you
log in to it. (It uses your datatracker credentials.)

Note that this test instance is loaded with a static snapshot of the 
archive (taken Nov 19), and
is not ingesting new messages at this time.

We are aiming for production deployment in the next 2-3 weeks - anything 
you can help us
find now will save us pain then.

Please don't distribute the link to the test instance. If there's 
someone else you think should
be in on early testing, let me know and I'll coordinate bringing them 
online.

Thanks,

RjS


---------------

Greetings!

We are very close to deploying the web-based email list archive search
and browsing tool that we
gathered requirements for in RFC6778. I am looking for several
volunteers to spend as much time
as they are willing to exercise a test instance.

We're wanting people to look for errors - things like getting surprising
search results, messages
from lists they didn't expect, unexpected UI behavior, normal use cases
that induce a server failure,
and so on. Make sure it works for your expected use, and then please try
to stress it with weird requests
(but don't try to overload it - we have other tests that are doing that).

We're also interested in suggestions around the UI design and new
feature requests, but please note that any of these
changes of that nature will be captured for later work.

If you're willing to take the time to participate in this early test,
please reply and I'll send you the server details.

Thanks in advance!

RjS




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Update: we're needing to relax the apache access configuration - if you 
try to get there right now,
you're probably being refused. Apologies - I'll send a note when the 
configuration has been changed.

RjS

On 11/25/13 1:28 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
> tools-development folks:
>
> I am recruiting the next round of testers for the web-based archive 
> (see the message below).
> I would appreciate it if each of you would also spend some time with 
> this test instance.
>
> The server is at http://test114.ietf.org/archive. Please exercise it 
> some before and after you
> log in to it. (It uses your datatracker credentials.)
>
> Note that this test instance is loaded with a static snapshot of the 
> archive (taken Nov 19), and
> is not ingesting new messages at this time.
>
> We are aiming for production deployment in the next 2-3 weeks - 
> anything you can help us
> find now will save us pain then.
>
> Please don't distribute the link to the test instance. If there's 
> someone else you think should
> be in on early testing, let me know and I'll coordinate bringing them 
> online.
>
> Thanks,
>
> RjS
>
>
> ---------------
>
> Greetings!
>
> We are very close to deploying the web-based email list archive search
> and browsing tool that we
> gathered requirements for in RFC6778. I am looking for several
> volunteers to spend as much time
> as they are willing to exercise a test instance.
>
> We're wanting people to look for errors - things like getting surprising
> search results, messages
> from lists they didn't expect, unexpected UI behavior, normal use cases
> that induce a server failure,
> and so on. Make sure it works for your expected use, and then please try
> to stress it with weird requests
> (but don't try to overload it - we have other tests that are doing that).
>
> We're also interested in suggestions around the UI design and new
> feature requests, but please note that any of these
> changes of that nature will be captured for later work.
>
> If you're willing to take the time to participate in this early test,
> please reply and I'll send you the server details.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> RjS
>
>
>


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You should be able to access this system now.

RjS

On 11/25/13 1:49 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
> Update: we're needing to relax the apache access configuration - if 
> you try to get there right now,
> you're probably being refused. Apologies - I'll send a note when the 
> configuration has been changed.
>
> RjS
>
> On 11/25/13 1:28 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:
>> tools-development folks:
>>
>> I am recruiting the next round of testers for the web-based archive 
>> (see the message below).
>> I would appreciate it if each of you would also spend some time with 
>> this test instance.
>>
>> The server is at http://test114.ietf.org/archive. Please exercise it 
>> some before and after you
>> log in to it. (It uses your datatracker credentials.)
>>
>> Note that this test instance is loaded with a static snapshot of the 
>> archive (taken Nov 19), and
>> is not ingesting new messages at this time.
>>
>> We are aiming for production deployment in the next 2-3 weeks - 
>> anything you can help us
>> find now will save us pain then.
>>
>> Please don't distribute the link to the test instance. If there's 
>> someone else you think should
>> be in on early testing, let me know and I'll coordinate bringing them 
>> online.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> RjS
>>
>>
>> ---------------
>>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> We are very close to deploying the web-based email list archive search
>> and browsing tool that we
>> gathered requirements for in RFC6778. I am looking for several
>> volunteers to spend as much time
>> as they are willing to exercise a test instance.
>>
>> We're wanting people to look for errors - things like getting surprising
>> search results, messages
>> from lists they didn't expect, unexpected UI behavior, normal use cases
>> that induce a server failure,
>> and so on. Make sure it works for your expected use, and then please try
>> to stress it with weird requests
>> (but don't try to overload it - we have other tests that are doing 
>> that).
>>
>> We're also interested in suggestions around the UI design and new
>> feature requests, but please note that any of these
>> changes of that nature will be captured for later work.
>>
>> If you're willing to take the time to participate in this early test,
>> please reply and I'll send you the server details.
>>
>> Thanks in advance!
>>
>> RjS
>>
>>
>>
>