From nobody Mon Dec 1 04:07:56 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 036971A008F for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:07:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RRt8-9OFUTCY for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:07:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19951A1B60 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:07:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 028B71E59D0 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:07:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id blc1Ve7qCPRw for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:07:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [213.133.141.248]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6BF091E59C4 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 04:07:05 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:07:32 +0000 From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000709020204060905040904" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/eubMbOGWTpWsO-Q_tqtbvY2XMEM Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT: RFI for fonts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 12:07:43 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000709020204060905040904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, I'm drafting an RFI to collect information on fonts. Below is my first cut. Questions for this group: what's missing? Should I include any information on things I already know about (in particular, Google's Noto font library)? I don't know if this will turn into an RFP or something else; that's why I'm doing an RFI. - ----- Embedded Fonts for the PDF Publication Format for RFCs Request for Information Description: In 2013, the RFC Series Editor announced to the IETF community the intent to change the format for RFCs from a single, plain-text, ASCII-only format to a format based on a canonical XML file with multiple publication formats. One of those publication formats will be PDF/A-3 (see for main text and headings). · A fixed-width font must be available for code, BNF, and any other text that requires such a font as an aid in insuring alignment. · Wide support for Unicode (which may require multiple fonts) is necessary to support the change that allows non-ASCII characters in RFCs, such as person names in native languages. · Liberal or low-cost license terms. It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts exist to cover all these requirements. This RFI is seeking information on what is available, where gaps exist such that a font might need to be acquired with a for-fee license, and where a font might need to be designed. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUfFoEAAoJEER/xjINbZoGFBkIAKecMpEEWUdPPnmwkn6VIjVD 7y5Xk1LZZ0QZGh6YLTA+gG+5O6/zQXK7KkuxM4te3mhepzSoA+vUpQSSG+p7yk0u OYINqNWMpdVp3D8HLB+oBGCHZAlMRrkUyKT4RWW97JItaKHT96k6npOqBG5kBZUe FvlaD9RnLkDVD44fF6jHEX1hbrWdq4CBj7f4e2eij6tngC45Q/0MvGgXFtfU8e5k Sv7orqqlcLzW+jr6dKQwH1gnwKsATpA76VXfVdsgy4/D6TS69GBD2ez8NI335Jac m2D8rv/XLrxEMyQGeVcfiuAFLqHcP4w3Tgmn6zVna6CPa3o1OG1O0YnglRZW9Lk= =pf1v -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------000709020204060905040904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Hello all,

I'm drafting an RFI to collect information on fonts.  Below is my first cut.  Questions for this group: what's missing?  Should I include any information on things I already know about (in particular, Google's Noto font library)?

I don't know if this will turn into an RFP or something else; that's why I'm doing an RFI.

- -----

Embedded Fonts for the PDF Publication Format for RFCs

Request for Information

 

Description:

In 2013, the RFC Series Editor announced to the IETF community the intent to change the format for RFCs from a single, plain-text, ASCII-only format to a format based on a canonical XML file with multiple publication formats.  One of those publication formats will be PDF/A-3 (see <draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf).

 

One of the requirements for the PDF/A-3 format is that the font information for any and all fonts used for that document be embedded within the file.  The purpose here is to make the file as self-contained and stable as possible.    Requirements for the fonts themselves include:

 

·      Serif and sans-serif fonts should be available (to meet the requirement in <draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf> for main text and headings).

·      A fixed-width font must be available for code, BNF, and any other text that requires such a font as an aid in insuring alignment.     

·      Wide support for Unicode (which may require multiple fonts) is necessary to support the change that allows non-ASCII characters in RFCs, such as person names in native languages.

·      Liberal or low-cost license terms.

 

 

It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts exist to cover all these requirements.   This RFI is seeking information on what is available, where gaps exist such that a font might need to be acquired with a for-fee license, and where a font might need to be designed.

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--------------000709020204060905040904-- From nobody Mon Dec 1 11:14:11 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8DDC1A8983 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:14:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iScCLXAeZ67y for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:14:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B2E1A89A4 for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:13:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E422F9A4005; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:12:54 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KdI5WQXyHcKP; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:12:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.108] (pool-96-255-26-251.washdc.fios.verizon.net [96.255.26.251]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B97E9A400B; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:12:50 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-79-1067295569 From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2014 14:12:39 -0500 Message-Id: References: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> To: Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/G4e00CkavHS1XnZLJmCmcb4GR0E Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT: RFI for fonts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:14:07 -0000 --Apple-Mail-79-1067295569 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I would not say "It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts = exist to cover all these requirements. " It would be great is someone could tell us how to meet these needs. Russ On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > Hello all, >=20 > I'm drafting an RFI to collect information on fonts. Below is my = first cut. Questions for this group: what's missing? Should I include = any information on things I already know about (in particular, Google's = Noto font library)? >=20 > I don't know if this will turn into an RFP or something else; that's = why I'm doing an RFI. >=20 > - ----- >=20 > Embedded Fonts for the PDF Publication Format for RFCs >=20 > Request for Information >=20 > =20 >=20 > Description: >=20 > In 2013, the RFC Series Editor announced to the IETF community the = intent to change the format for RFCs from a single, plain-text, = ASCII-only format to a format based on a canonical XML file with = multiple publication formats. One of those publication formats will be = PDF/A-3 (see =20 > =20 >=20 > One of the requirements for the PDF/A-3 format is that the font = information for any and all fonts used for that document be embedded = within the file. The purpose here is to make the file as self-contained = and stable as possible. Requirements for the fonts themselves = include: >=20 > =20 >=20 > =B7 Serif and sans-serif fonts should be available (to meet the = requirement in for main text and = headings). >=20 > =B7 A fixed-width font must be available for code, BNF, and any = other text that requires such a font as an aid in insuring alignment. = =20 >=20 > =B7 Wide support for Unicode (which may require multiple fonts) = is necessary to support the change that allows non-ASCII characters in = RFCs, such as person names in native languages. >=20 > =B7 Liberal or low-cost license terms. >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts exist to cover all = these requirements. This RFI is seeking information on what is = available, where gaps exist such that a font might need to be acquired = with a for-fee license, and where a font might need to be designed. >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) > Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org >=20 > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUfFoEAAoJEER/xjINbZoGFBkIAKecMpEEWUdPPnmwkn6VIjVD > 7y5Xk1LZZ0QZGh6YLTA+gG+5O6/zQXK7KkuxM4te3mhepzSoA+vUpQSSG+p7yk0u > OYINqNWMpdVp3D8HLB+oBGCHZAlMRrkUyKT4RWW97JItaKHT96k6npOqBG5kBZUe > FvlaD9RnLkDVD44fF6jHEX1hbrWdq4CBj7f4e2eij6tngC45Q/0MvGgXFtfU8e5k > Sv7orqqlcLzW+jr6dKQwH1gnwKsATpA76VXfVdsgy4/D6TS69GBD2ez8NI335Jac > m2D8rv/XLrxEMyQGeVcfiuAFLqHcP4w3Tgmn6zVna6CPa3o1OG1O0YnglRZW9Lk=3D > =3Dpf1v > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --Apple-Mail-79-1067295569 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 I = would not say  "It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts = exist to cover all these = requirements.   "

It would be great is = someone could tell us how to meet these = needs.

Russ


On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) = wrote:

=20 =20

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Hello all,

I'm drafting an RFI to collect information on fonts.  Below is = my first cut.  Questions for this group: what's missing?  = Should I include any information on things I already know about (in particular, Google's Noto font library)?

I don't know if this will turn into an RFP or something else; that's why I'm doing an RFI.

- -----

Embedded Fonts for the PDF Publication Format for RFCs

Request for Information

 

Description:

In 2013, the RFC Series Editor announced to the IETF community the intent to change the format for RFCs from a single, plain-text, ASCII-only format to a format based on a canonical XML file with multiple publication formats.  One of those publication formats = will be PDF/A-3 (see <draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf).

 

One of the requirements for the PDF/A-3 format is that the font information for any and all fonts used for that document be embedded within the file.  The purpose here is to make the file as self-contained and stable as possible.    = Requirements for the fonts themselves include:

 

=B7      Serif and sans-serif fonts should = be available (to meet the requirement in <draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf> for main text and headings).

=B7      A fixed-width font must be = available for code, BNF, and any other text that requires such a font as an aid in insuring alignment.     

=B7      Wide support for Unicode (which = may require multiple fonts) is necessary to support the change that allows non-ASCII characters in RFCs, such as person names in native languages.

=B7      Liberal or low-cost license = terms.

 

 

It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts exist to cover all these requirements.   This RFI is seeking information = on what is available, where gaps exist such that a font might need to be acquired with a for-fee license, and where a font might need to be designed.

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<= br>= --Apple-Mail-79-1067295569-- From nobody Mon Dec 1 11:50:37 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 772B21A8AFA for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:50:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pkVwUyQ235tT for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CBC6E1A8AED for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 11:50:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local ([173.64.248.98]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sB1JoFhX005639 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 1 Dec 2014 13:50:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [173.64.248.98] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <547CC672.1030804@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 13:50:10 -0600 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <59F718A1-BA2A-4962-84AB-11AA36EE0214@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <59F718A1-BA2A-4962-84AB-11AA36EE0214@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/1jiyws-5UKy50H1X8M99ZvEO5_o Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 2 December 2014 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2014 19:50:20 -0000 I'd like to add few bullets to this agenda, and have reports on some of the existing bullets below to help save time on the call. On 11/30/14 9:46 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Tools Call Agenda -- 2 December 2014 at 13:00 Eastern > > 1. Datatracker Projects > - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik See . > - IPR Tool improvements -- Robert Close to ready to deploy. I've asked several people to spot-check disclosures - need to hear back from them. (See ipr-test.rjsparks.edu) > - Liaison Tool improvements -- Robert On hold until after the IPR tool is deployed, and Ryan has had a chance to finish a few other things, including the work on the MailArchive tool called out later in this message. And, I'd like to add bullets for short conversations about - Additional Agenda tool enhancements * Allowing the graphical tool to work with leadership meetings, breaks, and breakout sessions * Initializing the timeslots and common items like breaks and registration for new meetings - Datatracker optimization * It's time to invest in measuring the datatracker performance and looking for ways to improve it. - Status on integrating a common review tracking tool into the datatracker - Status on the facelift project > > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Present a directory view of active, archived, and unknown I-Ds -- AMS I think this one should show Henrik and me for reporting until it's done. We spent time on it in Honolulu, and determined that we since we need to change how files are organized on disk to get this done, we might as well clean some things up in the process. Henrik is writing up a proposal for what the result will look like. > - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS > - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg > > 3. RFC Services Projects > - xml2rfc bug fixes -- Alice and Henrik > - DOI RFP -- Ray > - RFC Editor Website Makeover RFP -- Ray > - Automatic stats and reporting RFP -- Ray > - rfclint SOW -- Robert > - text submission converter SOW -- Robert These (and the other format related SoW) are essentially done, but I need to combine three of them into one. The presentation format converter SoW relies on the drafts coming from the format design team, which are nearing completion, but are still changing rapidly. One of the SoW, probably the presentation format converter, needs additional text pointing to a description of the processing that will be performed on a v3 document before publication as an RFC (things like calculating section anchors and including the expanded boilerplate). The description itself will likely land in the framework document. > - RSE's Design Team -- Heather > > 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools > - Moving mail aliases to ietf.org and link them to datatracker database Mostly done. The aliases are working @ietf.org. Henrik is working on changing the @tools.ietf.org to forward to @ietf.org. > - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org Directorate and area wikis are ready. The next step in moving the WGs is working through moving the subversion repositories. > > 5. Server Infrastructure > - VM Architecture for Servers -- AMS > - iCal servers -- AMS > - IMAP access to the email archives -- Robert The IMAP access project has started. Alexey and I met in Honolulu. We currently expect most of the development effort to take place during December. And, please add a bullet to talk about needed enhancements to the web-based archive tool. Ryan and I discussed addressing a few points before starting on the liaison tool work - these are captured as major priority items here: . For quick reference, these include: * Having the view that the archived-at URL resolves to show the context for the message within its list. * Keeping the current message selected when toggling in and out of thread view mode > > 6. IDIQ Contractors > - Status of RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray > > 7. Parking Lot > - Test Coverage -- Henrik > > 8. AOB > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Tue Dec 2 05:18:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97B071A1B01 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:17:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a_ey-oDhd3oK for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:17:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B64FB1A1B46 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:17:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D6301E59F8; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:17:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sw1bViqbUcAN; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:17:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [213.133.141.248]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E6CD81E59EE; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 05:17:16 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <547DBBFD.8010603@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:17:49 +0000 From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000903010302030208040505" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/yfX4iNehFncIrsBcPg-8gW--XO4 Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT: RFI for fonts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 13:17:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000903010302030208040505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/1/14 7:12 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > I would not say "It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts > exist to cover all these requirements. " OK. Removed. > > It would be great is someone could tell us how to meet these needs. If you're curious, Martin Dürst has a quick write up on the problem(s) - http://www.rfc-editor.org/pipermail/rfc-interest/2014-October/008044.html > > Russ > > > On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) > wrote: > >> > Hello all, > > I'm drafting an RFI to collect information on fonts. Below is my > first cut. Questions for this group: what's missing? Should I > include any information on things I already know about (in > particular, Google's Noto font library)? > > I don't know if this will turn into an RFP or something else; that's > why I'm doing an RFI. > > ----- > > Embedded Fonts for the PDF Publication Format for RFCs > > Request for Information > > > > Description: > > In 2013, the RFC Series Editor announced to the IETF community the > intent to change the format for RFCs from a single, plain-text, > ASCII-only format to a format based on a canonical XML file with > multiple publication formats. One of those publication formats will > be PDF/A-3 (see > > > One of the requirements for the PDF/A-3 format is that the font > information for any and all fonts used for that document be embedded > within the file. The purpose here is to make the file as > self-contained and stable as possible. Requirements for the fonts > themselves include: > > > > · Serif and sans-serif fonts should be available (to meet the > requirement in for main text and > headings). > > · A fixed-width font must be available for code, BNF, and any > other text that requires such a font as an aid in insuring alignment. > > > · Wide support for Unicode (which may require multiple fonts) is > necessary to support the change that allows non-ASCII characters in > RFCs, such as person names in native languages. > > · Liberal or low-cost license terms. > > > > > > It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts exist to cover all > these requirements. This RFI is seeking information on what is > available, where gaps exist such that a font might need to be > acquired with a for-fee license, and where a font might need to be > designed. > >> >> _______________________________________________ TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT >> mailing list TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.22 (Darwin) Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUfbv9AAoJEER/xjINbZoGXusIAL0a2a7e4KxKFKXysRLVSiAl Mo62r4sf2EQF2FfKspZUTt8dRaaa5ZMVYVQVK2QR0wdN3l4Zq6jJaQQKN+oE0kND IIOKWDJxUXHxxV+D0GRj0ZJh1O/xFUZIWyXgkbb7rqIrNCKGuGcGTIgSg9Z+03Zg n13tLaL/HmVtOIkQzA49cYixPKmnJFgtbwATO/ieO28rQ8E5hlvffciauqmbGTkD a3Uf3pmiG+5H8V1KsMq5Yt5M74uhXQqG+3drEDMagEvJnKA5GgOJPdoTs52lUVw9 RFFyRDwPGUdGskWRq1m7CVW9wnmkYbiJo1kXCxSj8nS1TSODhQ0rB09hzsZTV6g= =v0On -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------000903010302030208040505 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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On 12/1/14 7:12 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
> I would not say  "It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts
> exist to cover all these requirements.   "

OK.  Removed.

>
> It would be great is someone could tell us how to meet these needs.

If you're curious, Martin Dürst has a quick write up on the problem(s) -
http://www.rfc-editor.org/pipermail/rfc-interest/2014-October/008044.html

>
> Russ
>
>
> On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)
> wrote:
>
>>
> Hello all,
>
> I'm drafting an RFI to collect information on fonts.  Below is my
> first cut.  Questions for this group: what's missing?  Should I
> include any information on things I already know about (in
> particular, Google's Noto font library)?
>
> I don't know if this will turn into an RFP or something else; that's
> why I'm doing an RFI.
>
> -----
>
> Embedded Fonts for the PDF Publication Format for RFCs
>
> Request for Information
>
>
>
> Description:
>
> In 2013, the RFC Series Editor announced to the IETF community the
> intent to change the format for RFCs from a single, plain-text,
> ASCII-only format to a format based on a canonical XML file with
> multiple publication formats.  One of those publication formats will
> be PDF/A-3 (see <draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf).
>
>
>
> One of the requirements for the PDF/A-3 format is that the font
> information for any and all fonts used for that document be embedded
> within the file.  The purpose here is to make the file as
> self-contained and stable as possible.    Requirements for the fonts
> themselves include:
>
>
>
> ·      Serif and sans-serif fonts should be available (to meet the
> requirement in <draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf> for main text and
> headings).
>
> ·      A fixed-width font must be available for code, BNF, and any
> other text that requires such a font as an aid in insuring alignment.
>
>
> ·      Wide support for Unicode (which may require multiple fonts) is
> necessary to support the change that allows non-ASCII characters in
> RFCs, such as person names in native languages.
>
> ·      Liberal or low-cost license terms.
>
>
>
>
>
> It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts exist to cover all
> these requirements.   This RFI is seeking information on what is
> available, where gaps exist such that a font might need to be
> acquired with a for-fee license, and where a font might need to be
> designed.
>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT
>> mailing list TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
>> <mailto:TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org>
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development
>

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RjS On 11/30/14 9:46 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Tools Call Agenda -- 2 December 2014 at 13:00 Eastern > > 1. Datatracker Projects > - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik > - IPR Tool improvements -- Robert > - Liaison Tool improvements -- Robert > > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Present a directory view of active, archived, and unknown I-Ds -- AMS > - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS > - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg > > 3. RFC Services Projects > - xml2rfc bug fixes -- Alice and Henrik > - DOI RFP -- Ray > - RFC Editor Website Makeover RFP -- Ray > - Automatic stats and reporting RFP -- Ray > - rfclint SOW -- Robert > - text submission converter SOW -- Robert > - RSE's Design Team -- Heather > > 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools > - Moving mail aliases to ietf.org and link them to datatracker database > - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org > > 5. Server Infrastructure > - VM Architecture for Servers -- AMS > - iCal servers -- AMS > - IMAP access to the email archives -- Robert > > 6. IDIQ Contractors > - Status of RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray > > 7. Parking Lot > - Test Coverage -- Henrik > > 8. 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--Apple-Mail=_D7AB0B8C-E564-4307-A61E-CF135C2C6D33-- --Apple-Mail=_CB379408-227A-4936-BC95-87B5542859C6-- From nobody Tue Dec 2 11:32:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87A781A1E0E for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:32:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vP6aD8Vj7geZ for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0641.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::641]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D19FE1A1BC4 for ; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 11:32:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.0.19] (72.237.59.193) by BN1PR06MB230.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.242.215.140) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.26.15; Tue, 2 Dec 2014 19:31:47 +0000 From: Ray Pelletier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2014 14:31:40 -0500 To: IETF Tools Development MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) X-Originating-IP: [72.237.59.193] X-ClientProxiedBy: BLUPR11CA0079.namprd11.prod.outlook.com (10.141.30.47) To BN1PR06MB230.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.242.215.140) X-Microsoft-Antispam: UriScan:; X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN1PR06MB230; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN1PR06MB230; X-Forefront-PRVS: 0413C9F1ED X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(6009001)(6049001)(189002)(199003)(88136002)(36756003)(42186005)(40100003)(23746002)(62966003)(87286001)(82746002)(19580395003)(15975445006)(83716003)(46102003)(87976001)(77156002)(450100001)(50226001)(31966008)(57306001)(4396001)(99396003)(102836001)(561944003)(101416001)(120916001)(50986999)(64706001)(86362001)(66066001)(97736003)(95666004)(92726001)(92566001)(33656002)(50466002)(93916002)(47776003)(21056001)(122386002)(110136001)(229853001)(106356001)(107046002)(105586002)(107886001)(104166001)(20776003)(15202345003)(117156001)(77096005)(68736005)(104396002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:BN1PR06MB230; H:[192.168.0.19]; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; LANG:en; X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BN1PR06MB230; X-OriginatorOrg: isoc.org Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/_tPk7cxEmy-nrojiQlwzRo9jLXQ Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Rough Notes for Tools Call 2 Dec X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2014 19:32:13 -0000 Tools Call 2 Dec 14 Russ Bob Heather Sandy Tony Ray Henrik Pete Robert Ryan 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik Henrik - a round up release this week; then a Jason export = release Robert - django 1.7, IPR tool work, EDU team work and several = schema changes Facelift? - February timeframe Robert - we pay attention to Telechat cycles - IPR Tool improvements -- Robert Work is mostly done; Ryan close to finishing those out Awaiting feedback from folks, IESG - Pete to ping Adrian - Liaison Tool improvements -- Robert On Hold till after deploying IPR tool; January begin likely Robert Add-ons: - Additional Agenda tool enhancements - sizable chunk of time needed * Allowing the graphical tool to work with leadership meetings, = breaks, and breakout sessions * Initializing the timeslots and common items like breaks and = registration for new meetings - Datatracker optimization - Robert and Henrik time during next quarter * It's time to invest in measuring the datatracker performance and = looking for ways to improve it. Glen to assist. - Status on integrating a common review tracking tool into the = datatracker Robert to do a first set of requirements in January - Status on the facelift project Robert - IOLA being used to do this. 80% through it; on track = for Feb deployment 2. Community & Other Projects - Present a directory view of active, archived, and unknown I-Ds = -- AMS Robert - I think this one should show Henrik and me for = reporting until it's done. We spent time on it in Honolulu, and determined that we since we need to change how files are organized on disk to get this done, we might as = well clean some things up in the process. Henrik is writing up a proposal for what = the resulting storage structure will look like. And then best way to test the = changes. Would prefer not to be working in the productive environment. - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg In contract negotiations 3. RFC Services Projects - xml2rfc bug fixes -- Alice and Henrik More bug reports; plan to get 1st 2 releases out the door, then = more urgent fixes middle of next week, then a week, not more; Sandy = prioritized =09 - DOI RFP -- Ray Two proposals received, TMC to review; possibly to IAOC for 18 = Dec action - RFC Editor Website Makeover RFP -- Ray Two proposals received, TMC to review; possibly to IAOC for 18 = Dec action - Automatic stats and reporting RFP -- Ray RSE postponed until Feb, possibly longer To be parked - rfclint SOW -- Robert - text submission converter SOW -- Robert These (and the other format related SoW) are essentially done, but I need to combine three of them into one. The presentation format converter SoW relies on the drafts coming from the format design team, which are nearing completion, but are still changing rapidly. One of the SoW, probably the presentation format converter, needs = additional text pointing to a description of the processing that will be performed = on a v3 document before publication as an RFC (things like calculating = section anchors and including the expanded boilerplate). The description itself will = likely land in the framework document. Community review when: When Design Team documents ready to go. =20 Heather - don=92t have a good answer yet; would like before = Dallas - RSE's Design Team -- Heather Heather - don=92t have a date yet. Jim Schaad did a great deep = dive for us. =20 CSS, Font requirements; calls today and every other = week. At IETF 91 it seemed the community was taking this more = seriously. Robert - level of detail is in right place and moving swiftly. 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving mail aliases to ietf.org and link them to datatracker = database Mostly done. The aliases are working @ietf.org. Henrik is working on = changing the @tools.ietf.org to forward to @ietf.org. - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org Directorate and area wikis are ready. The next step in moving the WGs is working through moving the subversion = repositories. Trying to make it easier for the Secretariat.=20 Henrik - This next year, before Dallas is possible; mailing list, = XML2RFC; next releases of data tracker out this year 5. Server Infrastructure - VM Architecture for Servers -- AMS Glen - Fremont mtg discussion on IETF infrastructure for way = forward for improvement; Document to Russ today of 11 pages for the TMC. - iCal servers -- AMS WG Calendars been created? A calendar for each WG, and as they are created - to be done = automatically, and permissions changed when new WG Chairs appointed. WG Chairs to administer each calendar. - IMAP access to the email archives -- Robert The IMAP access project has started. Alexey and I met in Honolulu. We = currently expect most of the development effort to take place during December. And, please add a bullet to talk about needed enhancements to the = web-based archive tool. Ryan and I discussed addressing a few points before = starting on the liaison tool work - these are captured as major priority items here: . For quick = reference, these include: * Having the view that the archived-at URL resolves to show the context = for the message within its list. * Keeping the current message selected when toggling in and out of = thread view mode 6. IDIQ Contractors - Status of RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray Awaiting agreement on the language. In the TMC for review and = agreement. Following which an RFP can be forthcoming. 7. Parking Lot - Test Coverage -- Henrik 8. 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03 Dec 2014 09:14:30 -0600 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Pelletier , IETF Tools Development References: <65264307-0F15-4B2B-B73B-BE0988795CAB@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <65264307-0F15-4B2B-B73B-BE0988795CAB@isoc.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060900010606020801060301" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/DlDb9cjTHWKDwHIYmYF_RtlQIxA Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Cmte & TMC 2015 Calendar Subscription X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Dec 2014 15:14:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060900010606020801060301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for sending this Ray! I think there's a bug to work out: The Jan 13th tools meeting shows at 1pm HST instead of 1pm EST. It would also be nice if the webex information were included. RjS On 12/3/14 8:55 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > All; > > The IAOC is using the CalDAV calendar program for its meeting and > committee meeting schedules. > > Information is below if you would like to subscribe. > > Ray > > > IETF is now operating a CalDAV server. > At this time, several IAOC calendars are being maintained on the server, and > are available for public subscription. These calendars include: > > https://ical.ietf.org/public.php/IAOC/Tools > > Interested parties can subscribe to the calendar feed(s) of their choice by > using the URLs listed above. The exact method of subscribing to a calendar > feed varies from client to client. As an example, the following instructions will > allow Apple iCal users to subscribe to a calendar feed. > > 1. From the File menu, choose "New Calendar Subscription". > 2. Enter the URL for the desired calendar in the resulting dialog box. > 3. Click Subscribe. > 4. In the dialog box that appears, set the desired options for refresh rates, > alerts, and the name of the calendar, and click OK. > > The calendar will appear on your list of calendars, and the items on the > calendar will populate onto your calendar display. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --------------060900010606020801060301 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for sending this Ray!

I think there's a bug to work out:
The Jan 13th tools meeting shows at 1pm HST instead of 1pm EST.

It would also be nice if the webex information were included.

RjS

On 12/3/14 8:55 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote:
All;

The IAOC is using the CalDAV calendar program for its meeting and 
committee meeting schedules.

Information is below if you would like to subscribe.

Ray


IETF is now operating a CalDAV server.
At this time, several IAOC calendars are being maintained on the server, and
are available for public subscription.  These calendars include:

https://ical.ietf.org/public.php/IAOC/Tools

Interested parties can subscribe to the calendar feed(s) of their choice by
using the URLs listed above.  The exact method of subscribing to a calendar
feed varies from client to client.  As an example, the following instructions will
allow Apple iCal users to subscribe to a calendar feed.

1. From the File menu, choose "New Calendar Subscription".
2. Enter the URL for the desired calendar in the resulting dialog box.
3. Click Subscribe.
4. In the dialog box that appears, set the desired options for refresh rates,
alerts, and the name of the calendar, and click OK.

The calendar will appear on your list of calendars, and the items on the
calendar will populate onto your calendar display.








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--------------060900010606020801060301-- From nobody Thu Dec 4 12:26:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 352C01A1AF4 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:25:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_I_LETTER=-2, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uGfs_lYbGKc2 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 576F01A1AE2 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:25:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local ([173.64.248.98]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sB4KPu9v000692 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:25:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [173.64.248.98] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <5480C34F.7090607@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:25:51 -0600 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <545262C9.2070800@nostrum.com> <54735CBB.4000301@nostrum.com> <54736A20.9040406@att.com> In-Reply-To: <54736A20.9040406@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/vkCOnW9eb5-lok1rabUsEANzEiM Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Next steps on the rfc format related SoWs X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:25:59 -0000 I took a stab at combining them. It started to add confusion. I think anything I do is just going to be a concatenation of them anyhow, so the approach you suggest seems right. I think all we need is to include all three of them in one RFP when we send it out - the cover letter can clarify that we're looking for one bid on all three projects. RjS On 11/24/14 11:25 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > An alternative to combining the SoWs, but slightly harder to manage up > front, is to either 1) allow people to bid in lots, or 2) add a > "combination SoW" that includes the ones you want to combine via > reference. > > Tony > > On 11/24/14, 11:28 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: >> I haven't gotten any feedback on this message. >> >> Should I combine idnits, rfclint, and svgcheck into one SoW, or leave >> them as separate things? >> >> Pros: Might build a work bite large enough to be interesting to more >> bidders >> Cons: Fatesharing separable problems >> >> As below, I think we must keep the publication formatter, xmldiff, >> and the text submission converter as separate things. >> >> Before I start in on combining any of the SoW, I'd like to hear that >> this group still thinks that's the right thing to do. >> >> RjS >> >> On 10/30/14 11:09 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>> For reference - these are the documents in flight: >>> PublicationFormatter-02 >>> TextSubmissionConverter-02 >>> idnits-00 >>> rfclint-04 >>> svgcheck-02 >>> xmlDiff-03 >>> >>> The next burst of effort needs to focus on fleshing out >>> PublicationFormatter, >>> and making sure the documents from the rfc-design team that it >>> points to are >>> sufficiently clear to inform implementation. >>> >>> We've talked for some time about combining some of these near the >>> end. We're >>> getting there, and I want to double check what we think should be >>> combined to >>> reduce the number of SoWs. >>> >>> I can see combining idnits, rfclint, and svgcheck into one SoW (that >>> asks for three tools). >>> >>> I'm not sure we want to couple the fates of any of >>> xmlDiff, TextSubmissionConverter, and PublicationFormatter. >>> >>> Is having four SoWs when we're done the right target? >>> >>> RjS > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Dec 4 12:41:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80DA51A1AA2 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:41:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BqHOowWAeFR0 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:41:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 000A31A1A69 for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 12:41:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local ([173.64.248.98]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sB4KffIY002564 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 4 Dec 2014 14:41:41 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [173.64.248.98] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <5480C700.2050808@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 14:41:36 -0600 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Development References: <545260F2.2080404@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <545260F2.2080404@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/hpsd2QsV_VGnqk_E3T78so42ZvU Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] RFC format related SoWs (PublicationFormatter, TextSubmissionConverter, idnits, rfclint, xmlDiff, svgCheck) X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2014 20:41:48 -0000 At the same link below, you'll now find PublicationFormatter-03: I added a significant amount of text dealing with v2->v3 conversion and preparation of v3 documents for archival in the RFC series. There are three primary places where the document needs to point to output from the design team that is not yet available - these are visually highlighted. idnits-01: I modified the row talking about boilerplate checks in input documents and added a row about autogenerated identifier checks, to align with the changes in the v3 grammar (and the processing instructions in the PublicationFormatter document). The other SoW are unchanged. Based on the recent thread, I won't be combining any of them, and suggest instead we just bundle idnits, rfclint, and svgcheck into one SoW. This is what remains to be done: * The design team needs to finish an example v3 input document * The design team needs to finish writing down how to replace deprecated v2 elements with v3 constructs and provide an example document. * The v3 document needs to be stable enough to code against (I think the next version, which will come out soon, is probably at that point) For folks on _this_ team - Please review and comment on the changes to the PublicationFormatter and idnits documents. RjS On 10/30/14 11:01 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > I've put the current versions (updated as described below) at > . > > Here's the status: > > PublicationFormatter-02: > (This remains the rawest document.) > I made some minor adjustments based on Heather's feedback. > I added Joe's test v3 document to the test documents this project > will use. > I added a TODO to add (or point to) the requirements for implementing > the boilerplate and numbering manipulation the design team has been > discussing. > > TextSubmissionConverter-02: > I reverted the suggestion to use an intermediate language (such as > markdown) at > Sandy and Alice's request. > > idnits-00: > Unchanged since what you saw last. I've received no comments that > suggested > changes. > > rfclint-04: > I removed the idnits functionality from this, leaving it as a front > end for > grammar and spelling checks, and for verifying formal languages (such > as XML or ABNF contained in a document. > > svgcheck-02: > Repaired nits that Tony identified. > > xmlDiff-03: > Repaired nit that Tony identified and incorporated his additional > text. > > From nobody Fri Dec 5 07:05:49 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 328A91A89A2 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:05:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bPxqeMuXOD09 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:05:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from egssmtp02.att.com (egssmtp02.att.com [144.160.128.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C44B71ACEB8 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:05:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp02.att.com ( EGS R6 8.14.5 TLS/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sB5F5D6v024865 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:05:14 -0800 Received: from tonys-macbook-pro.local (unknown[135.110.240.249](untrusted sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20141205150513gw100r93p9e>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:05:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.110.240.249] Message-ID: <5481C9A8.7090408@att.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:05:12 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Development References: <65264307-0F15-4B2B-B73B-BE0988795CAB@isoc.org> In-Reply-To: <65264307-0F15-4B2B-B73B-BE0988795CAB@isoc.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/0dBloTqDqRiQp3FqfH5Utha6cX4 Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Cmte & TMC 2015 Calendar Subscription X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:05:45 -0000 Has anyone been able to add this to an iPhone or iPad calendar? I get error messages about "Cannot Connect using SSL" with offers to modify the URL to remove SSL, which then fails to work as well. Tony Hansen On 12/3/14, 9:55 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > All; > > The IAOC is using the CalDAV calendar program for its meeting and > committee meeting schedules. > > Information is below if you would like to subscribe. > > Ray > > > IETF is now operating a CalDAV server. > At this time, several IAOC calendars are being maintained on the server, and > are available for public subscription. These calendars include: > > https://ical.ietf.org/public.php/IAOC/Tools > > Interested parties can subscribe to the calendar feed(s) of their choice by > using the URLs listed above. The exact method of subscribing to a calendar > feed varies from client to client. As an example, the following instructions will > allow Apple iCal users to subscribe to a calendar feed. > > 1. From the File menu, choose "New Calendar Subscription". > 2. Enter the URL for the desired calendar in the resulting dialog box. > 3. Click Subscribe. > 4. In the dialog box that appears, set the desired options for refresh rates, > alerts, and the name of the calendar, and click OK. > > The calendar will appear on your list of calendars, and the items on the > calendar will populate onto your calendar display. From nobody Fri Dec 5 07:29:31 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 022D61ACEB2 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:29:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gFjO8e_Q6UHi for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:29:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D25451ACEC3 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:29:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local ([173.64.248.98]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sB5FTFeE009306 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:29:16 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [173.64.248.98] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <5481CF46.1070208@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 09:29:10 -0600 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <65264307-0F15-4B2B-B73B-BE0988795CAB@isoc.org> <5481C9A8.7090408@att.com> In-Reply-To: <5481C9A8.7090408@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/te-jF8Mj2F1vCOVN13tXnPhSzTI Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Cmte & TMC 2015 Calendar Subscription X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:29:29 -0000 I have, but via iCloud sync after adding the calendar in Calendar.app on my laptop. Have you tried opening it the link in safari on one of those devices? I'm betting you're running into the device not trusting the startech cert and the calender app not being able to ask you about it. RjS On 12/5/14 9:05 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > Has anyone been able to add this to an iPhone or iPad calendar? I get > error messages about "Cannot Connect using SSL" with offers to modify > the URL to remove SSL, which then fails to work as well. > > Tony Hansen > > On 12/3/14, 9:55 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >> All; >> >> The IAOC is using the CalDAV calendar program for its meeting and >> committee meeting schedules. >> >> Information is below if you would like to subscribe. >> >> Ray >> >> >> IETF is now operating a CalDAV server. >> At this time, several IAOC calendars are being maintained on the >> server, and >> are available for public subscription. These calendars include: >> >> https://ical.ietf.org/public.php/IAOC/Tools >> >> Interested parties can subscribe to the calendar feed(s) of their >> choice by >> using the URLs listed above. The exact method of subscribing to a >> calendar >> feed varies from client to client. As an example, the following >> instructions will >> allow Apple iCal users to subscribe to a calendar feed. >> >> 1. From the File menu, choose "New Calendar Subscription". >> 2. Enter the URL for the desired calendar in the resulting dialog box. >> 3. Click Subscribe. >> 4. In the dialog box that appears, set the desired options for >> refresh rates, >> alerts, and the name of the calendar, and click OK. >> >> The calendar will appear on your list of calendars, and the items on the >> calendar will populate onto your calendar display. > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Fri Dec 5 07:46:03 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FFBD1ACED2 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:46:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z9kWcHHpLZBw for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from egssmtp01.att.com (egssmtp01.att.com [144.160.112.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE3E81ACEC7 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:45:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from dns.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp01.att.com ( egs 8.14.5 TLS/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sB5Fjwxt015292 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:45:59 -0600 Received: from tonys-macbook-pro.local (unknown[135.110.240.249](untrusted sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20141205154558gw100r93pae>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 15:45:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.110.240.249] Message-ID: <5481D335.20903@att.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 10:45:57 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <65264307-0F15-4B2B-B73B-BE0988795CAB@isoc.org> <5481C9A8.7090408@att.com> <5481CF46.1070208@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <5481CF46.1070208@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/v9kOXIR4rg9MyKXRx7vKINolO3U Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Cmte & TMC 2015 Calendar Subscription X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:46:01 -0000 I can well believe the conjecture about the cert causing issues for the calendar app. Opening them within Safari brought up the 21 events, and then let me add them to my calendar. Safari did NOT mention the certificate at all. Of course, the single-shot loading loses the advantages of the calendar being on a server. Tony On 12/5/14, 10:29 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > I have, but via iCloud sync after adding the calendar in Calendar.app > on my laptop. > > Have you tried opening it the link in safari on one of those devices? > > I'm betting you're running into the device not trusting the startech > cert and the calender app not being able to ask you about it. > > RjS > > On 12/5/14 9:05 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> Has anyone been able to add this to an iPhone or iPad calendar? I get >> error messages about "Cannot Connect using SSL" with offers to modify >> the URL to remove SSL, which then fails to work as well. >> >> Tony Hansen >> >> On 12/3/14, 9:55 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>> All; >>> >>> The IAOC is using the CalDAV calendar program for its meeting and >>> committee meeting schedules. >>> >>> Information is below if you would like to subscribe. >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> IETF is now operating a CalDAV server. >>> At this time, several IAOC calendars are being maintained on the >>> server, and >>> are available for public subscription. These calendars include: >>> >>> https://ical.ietf.org/public.php/IAOC/Tools >>> >>> Interested parties can subscribe to the calendar feed(s) of their >>> choice by >>> using the URLs listed above. The exact method of subscribing to a >>> calendar >>> feed varies from client to client. As an example, the following >>> instructions will >>> allow Apple iCal users to subscribe to a calendar feed. >>> >>> 1. From the File menu, choose "New Calendar Subscription". >>> 2. Enter the URL for the desired calendar in the resulting dialog box. >>> 3. Click Subscribe. >>> 4. In the dialog box that appears, set the desired options for >>> refresh rates, >>> alerts, and the name of the calendar, and click OK. >>> >>> The calendar will appear on your list of calendars, and the items on >>> the >>> calendar will populate onto your calendar display. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Fri Dec 5 07:49:12 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AA941ACEC0 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:49:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5KIsRnSgC4HW for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE7E31A1A0F for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 07:49:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local ([173.64.248.98]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.14.9/8.14.7) with ESMTP id sB5Fn8Zl011889 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 09:49:09 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [173.64.248.98] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <5481D3EF.3060400@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 09:49:03 -0600 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <65264307-0F15-4B2B-B73B-BE0988795CAB@isoc.org> <5481C9A8.7090408@att.com> <5481CF46.1070208@nostrum.com> <5481D335.20903@att.com> In-Reply-To: <5481D335.20903@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/BC1sG3m2mnGkAYYylOWdz0mA4GU Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Cmte & TMC 2015 Calendar Subscription X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:49:11 -0000 On 12/5/14 9:45 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: > I can well believe the conjecture about the cert causing issues for > the calendar app. > > Opening them within Safari brought up the 21 events, and then let me > add them to my calendar. Safari did NOT mention the certificate at > all. Of course, the single-shot loading loses the advantages of the > calendar being on a server. You might see if subscribing from the calendar app works now (Safari might have left twiddled bits around after it decided it was ok to let you retrieve the resource). > > Tony > > On 12/5/14, 10:29 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: >> I have, but via iCloud sync after adding the calendar in Calendar.app >> on my laptop. >> >> Have you tried opening it the link in safari on one of those devices? >> >> I'm betting you're running into the device not trusting the startech >> cert and the calender app not being able to ask you about it. >> >> RjS >> >> On 12/5/14 9:05 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >>> Has anyone been able to add this to an iPhone or iPad calendar? I >>> get error messages about "Cannot Connect using SSL" with offers to >>> modify the URL to remove SSL, which then fails to work as well. >>> >>> Tony Hansen >>> >>> On 12/3/14, 9:55 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >>>> All; >>>> >>>> The IAOC is using the CalDAV calendar program for its meeting and >>>> committee meeting schedules. >>>> >>>> Information is below if you would like to subscribe. >>>> >>>> Ray >>>> >>>> >>>> IETF is now operating a CalDAV server. >>>> At this time, several IAOC calendars are being maintained on the >>>> server, and >>>> are available for public subscription. These calendars include: >>>> >>>> https://ical.ietf.org/public.php/IAOC/Tools >>>> >>>> Interested parties can subscribe to the calendar feed(s) of their >>>> choice by >>>> using the URLs listed above. The exact method of subscribing to a >>>> calendar >>>> feed varies from client to client. As an example, the following >>>> instructions will >>>> allow Apple iCal users to subscribe to a calendar feed. >>>> >>>> 1. From the File menu, choose "New Calendar Subscription". >>>> 2. Enter the URL for the desired calendar in the resulting dialog box. >>>> 3. Click Subscribe. >>>> 4. In the dialog box that appears, set the desired options for >>>> refresh rates, >>>> alerts, and the name of the calendar, and click OK. >>>> >>>> The calendar will appear on your list of calendars, and the items >>>> on the >>>> calendar will populate onto your calendar display. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Fri Dec 5 08:31:28 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C46C1ACF54 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:31:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j3oOIZ4SzzOR for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:31:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from egssmtp01.att.com (egssmtp01.att.com [144.160.112.12]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 665BD1A011D for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 08:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp01.att.com ( egs 8.14.5 TLS/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sB5GVHJ0026568 for ; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 10:31:18 -0600 Received: from tonys-macbook-pro.local (unknown[135.110.240.249](untrusted sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20141205163117gw100r93pce>; Fri, 5 Dec 2014 16:31:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.110.240.249] Message-ID: <5481DDD4.5060600@att.com> Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:31:16 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <65264307-0F15-4B2B-B73B-BE0988795CAB@isoc.org> <5481C9A8.7090408@att.com> <5481CF46.1070208@nostrum.com> <5481D335.20903@att.com> <5481D3EF.3060400@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <5481D3EF.3060400@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/hb8nvbimOx0VnbIEff8A0j1ZYWs Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Cmte & TMC 2015 Calendar Subscription X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 16:31:24 -0000 On 12/5/14, 10:49 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > On 12/5/14 9:45 AM, Tony Hansen wrote: >> I can well believe the conjecture about the cert causing issues for >> the calendar app. >> >> Opening them within Safari brought up the 21 events, and then let me >> add them to my calendar. Safari did NOT mention the certificate at >> all. Of course, the single-shot loading loses the advantages of the >> calendar being on a server. > You might see if subscribing from the calendar app works now (Safari > might have left twiddled bits around after it decided it was ok to let > you retrieve the resource). Yeah, I did try that. No love unfortunately. Tony Hansen From nobody Mon Dec 15 09:07:00 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AFD11A86F8 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:06:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 52lnJznSa6Tc for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D0B1A86EA for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:06:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A77851E59C4 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:06:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NycJVxZh7mZI for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:06:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [98.125.220.142]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48B131E59D0 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:06:37 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <548F151C.9060107@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:06:36 -0800 From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> <547DBBFD.8010603@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <547DBBFD.8010603@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010702080103040401060303" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/wqK4YVLoKHPUAA8VGLkREif-oP0 Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT: RFI for fonts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:06:58 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010702080103040401060303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, Any further comments? This is more important than you might think; if it turns out we cannot find or cannot afford the necessary fonts, that has an impact on the non-ASCII character draft. No sense allowing character sets if we don't have/can't acquire/can't afford legal fonts for them. - -Heather On 12/2/14 5:17 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: > > On 12/1/14 7:12 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >> I would not say "It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost >> fonts exist to cover all these requirements. " > > OK. Removed. > > >> It would be great is someone could tell us how to meet these >> needs. > > If you're curious, Martin Dürst has a quick write up on the > problem(s) - > http://www.rfc-editor.org/pipermail/rfc-interest/2014-October/008044.html > > > > Russ > > >> On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) >> wrote: > >>> >> Hello all, > >> I'm drafting an RFI to collect information on fonts. Below is my >> first cut. Questions for this group: what's missing? Should I >> include any information on things I already know about (in >> particular, Google's Noto font library)? > >> I don't know if this will turn into an RFP or something else; >> that's why I'm doing an RFI. > >> ----- > >> Embedded Fonts for the PDF Publication Format for RFCs > >> Request for Information > > > >> Description: > >> In 2013, the RFC Series Editor announced to the IETF community the >> intent to change the format for RFCs from a single, plain-text, >> ASCII-only format to a format based on a canonical XML file with >> multiple publication formats. One of those publication formats >> will be PDF/A-3 (see > > >> One of the requirements for the PDF/A-3 format is that the font >> information for any and all fonts used for that document be >> embedded within the file. The purpose here is to make the file as >> self-contained and stable as possible. Requirements for the >> fonts themselves include: > > > >> · Serif and sans-serif fonts should be available (to meet the >> requirement in for main text and >> headings). > >> · A fixed-width font must be available for code, BNF, and any >> other text that requires such a font as an aid in insuring >> alignment. > > >> · Wide support for Unicode (which may require multiple fonts) >> is necessary to support the change that allows non-ASCII characters >> in RFCs, such as person names in native languages. > >> · Liberal or low-cost license terms. > > > > > >> It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts exist to cover >> all these requirements. This RFI is seeking information on what >> is available, where gaps exist such that a font might need to be >> acquired with a for-fee license, and where a font might need to be >> designed. > >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT > mailing list TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUjxUcAAoJEER/xjINbZoG5hMIAKUOdhekiJzIpvMsdVV3cPTq 7ebQ5gz0XO/kFRvydNkAHKMVRuncHPSMuhQCaG+cq3Yjo+ezR4zQ9QVegJNJmOzI Q2Siy69hmNsRLU6Z0tTA+O5T4mNvvM6iTciWmj3ANdUQruU3FWqfji9mc/UjxFjF lig6X+oaty74oefTmbar1ql8XBJbjPdcQtfyaSI4fcGEnF4n77pfZKHjVpbWiLxD G8cVgCWw/OrXzK/ZrJ5rFjmYQ0NW1joffoJTYGD/d2yribF81h+GmtKDa6eD8rf0 jqf2VTNvt4wvrs5+WOS1x7KW6SkzDJdM9J/xqFmkSrkDkRmj+/m3ie1bWjVnZgs= =YRlz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------010702080103040401060303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Hello all,

Any further comments?  This is more important than you might think; if it turns out we cannot find or cannot afford the necessary fonts, that has an impact on the non-ASCII character draft.  No sense allowing character sets if we don't have/can't acquire/can't afford legal fonts for them.

- -Heather

On 12/2/14 5:17 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote:
>
> On 12/1/14 7:12 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>> I would not say  "It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost
>> fonts exist to cover all these requirements.   "
>
> OK.  Removed.
>
>
>> It would be great is someone could tell us how to meet these
>> needs.
>
> If you're curious, Martin Dürst has a quick write up on the
> problem(s) -
> http://www.rfc-editor.org/pipermail/rfc-interest/2014-October/008044.html
>
>
>
>  Russ
>
>
>> On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)
>> wrote:
>
>>>
>> Hello all,
>
>> I'm drafting an RFI to collect information on fonts.  Below is my
>> first cut.  Questions for this group: what's missing?  Should I
>> include any information on things I already know about (in
>> particular, Google's Noto font library)?
>
>> I don't know if this will turn into an RFP or something else;
>> that's why I'm doing an RFI.
>
>> -----
>
>> Embedded Fonts for the PDF Publication Format for RFCs
>
>> Request for Information
>
>
>
>> Description:
>
>> In 2013, the RFC Series Editor announced to the IETF community the
>> intent to change the format for RFCs from a single, plain-text,
>> ASCII-only format to a format based on a canonical XML file with
>> multiple publication formats.  One of those publication formats
>> will be PDF/A-3 (see <draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf).
>
>
>
>> One of the requirements for the PDF/A-3 format is that the font
>> information for any and all fonts used for that document be
>> embedded within the file.  The purpose here is to make the file as
>> self-contained and stable as possible.    Requirements for the
>> fonts themselves include:
>
>
>
>> ·      Serif and sans-serif fonts should be available (to meet the
>> requirement in <draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf> for main text and
>> headings).
>
>> ·      A fixed-width font must be available for code, BNF, and any
>> other text that requires such a font as an aid in insuring
>> alignment.
>
>
>> ·      Wide support for Unicode (which may require multiple fonts)
>> is necessary to support the change that allows non-ASCII characters
>> in RFCs, such as person names in native languages.
>
>> ·      Liberal or low-cost license terms.
>
>
>
>
>
>> It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts exist to cover
>> all these requirements.   This RFI is seeking information on what
>> is available, where gaps exist such that a font might need to be
>> acquired with a for-fee license, and where a font might need to be
>> designed.
>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
>>> <mailto:TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org>
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________ TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT
> mailing list TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development

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--------------010702080103040401060303-- From nobody Mon Dec 15 09:59:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4A21A871F for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:59:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FIILl4R2I3pC for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:59:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pa0-x22b.google.com (mail-pa0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c03::22b]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BFD041A86F8 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pa0-f43.google.com with SMTP id kx10so12337440pab.30 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:59:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=9pPy2kPbI4bl2xOHLXYhpS0rtLAmrijaPbwaKGkU/uw=; b=JjigvEmw9B3vXTNQ0fusQkwbsaImXM8I4F386SD0qH86691iaq51wTEj2FjZhc9RS3 Xh0F65M9XDF+LByCRtlJnP2FTZiu9oVVMGfSwWairlO74X9I3uT5xf4r4RGcYWZvefiO KBkaw4K2T9otS6T4w1VTfJdf8LK1sXXMwAeCkBdWoBNQQ32NQIZ5Ho4stZPNp11VZe4P n9bTTGBgwdj6N6OsYOluEo3fDMiAQ2UaESIGaTgDJ07SdypMscvrIdKdu3YGOjR5G7Yp qalEKQttFE0TCn6D4xGmPEhuN81gCXrwHDIE2toxXoyTHjA7QDVeXCBPXOmpLZjzGPsx eOzw== X-Received: by 10.66.235.165 with SMTP id un5mr53057353pac.109.1418666383071; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:59:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.160.153] ([209.97.127.10]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v4sm9882237pdc.61.2014.12.15.09.59.41 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:59:42 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_1928C08C-0766-4001-A010-A5C41450F735"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <548F151C.9060107@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 09:59:44 -0800 Message-Id: <2BD7D703-1D93-481C-A20B-5E39EC4C5273@gmail.com> References: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> <547DBBFD.8010603@rfc-editor.org> <548F151C.9060107@rfc-editor.org> To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1510) Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/X0EPsHi7EObLwvmqvilAatqFIS8 Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT: RFI for fonts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:59:48 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_1928C08C-0766-4001-A010-A5C41450F735 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Heather, On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:06 AM, "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" = wrote: >=20 > Signed PGP part > Hello all, >=20 > Any further comments? This is more important than you might think; if > it turns out we cannot find or cannot afford the necessary fonts, that > has an impact on the non-ASCII character draft. No sense allowing > character sets if we don't have/can't acquire/can't afford legal fonts > for them. I think I understand the issue and think getting more information is = good. I have no idea what it would cost to obtain fonts for use in = RFCs. My own experience buying fonts is that they are not very = expensive, but that was for individual use. Not sure how the RFC Editor = would be seen. Has anyone done any research looking at font suppliers to see what the = common practice is? Do we know what we are looking for? There are, of = course, a zillion fonts. We could even commission a set of RFC fonts :-) Bob >=20 >=20 > -Heather >=20 > On 12/2/14 5:17 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: > > > > On 12/1/14 7:12 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > >> I would not say "It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost > >> fonts exist to cover all these requirements. " > > > > OK. Removed. > > > > > >> It would be great is someone could tell us how to meet these > >> needs. > > > > If you're curious, Martin D=FCrst has a quick write up on the > > problem(s) - > > = http://www.rfc-editor.org/pipermail/rfc-interest/2014-October/008044.html > > > > > > > > Russ > > > > > >> On Dec 1, 2014, at 7:07 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) > >> wrote: > > > >>> > >> Hello all, > > > >> I'm drafting an RFI to collect information on fonts. Below is my > >> first cut. Questions for this group: what's missing? Should I > >> include any information on things I already know about (in > >> particular, Google's Noto font library)? > > > >> I don't know if this will turn into an RFP or something else; > >> that's why I'm doing an RFI. > > > >> ----- > > > >> Embedded Fonts for the PDF Publication Format for RFCs > > > >> Request for Information > > > > > > > >> Description: > > > >> In 2013, the RFC Series Editor announced to the IETF community the > >> intent to change the format for RFCs from a single, plain-text, > >> ASCII-only format to a format based on a canonical XML file with > >> multiple publication formats. One of those publication formats > >> will be PDF/A-3 (see > > > > > > >> One of the requirements for the PDF/A-3 format is that the font > >> information for any and all fonts used for that document be > >> embedded within the file. The purpose here is to make the file as > >> self-contained and stable as possible. Requirements for the > >> fonts themselves include: > > > > > > > >> =B7 Serif and sans-serif fonts should be available (to meet = the > >> requirement in for main text and > >> headings). > > > >> =B7 A fixed-width font must be available for code, BNF, and = any > >> other text that requires such a font as an aid in insuring > >> alignment. > > > > > >> =B7 Wide support for Unicode (which may require multiple = fonts) > >> is necessary to support the change that allows non-ASCII characters > >> in RFCs, such as person names in native languages. > > > >> =B7 Liberal or low-cost license terms. > > > > > > > > > > > >> It is unlikely that license-free or low-cost fonts exist to cover > >> all these requirements. This RFI is seeking information on what > >> is available, where gaps exist such that a font might need to be > >> acquired with a for-fee license, and where a font might need to be > >> designed. > > > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > >>> > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT > > mailing list TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --Apple-Mail=_1928C08C-0766-4001-A010-A5C41450F735 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJUjyGRAAoJEK7rdBF357uo2IoH/0YOKOaoJ4rqFrcg1DNWy8BN KBfWYO7n48Wl7reWRyjZ+i+jbfP0zNtYpid5678zbvQ3igL506DijKJfFVwxTxtH WvokuVU4BnfFHFO+T+YiZPSR+aEjwx2L0UoIfxbv6uOw+t96WHaTGy2D1n32gRB9 V1tmP1l4Z6UViErlsasmFqQRikgwpu0JMGPVkowo1cFxyU07a4/OgKLPzAdHEocr OMT1v1HhpRvUCDBvJDRwVp4FgzxQeKoYUAI8WldzsYIFDvRudmiT7GdBZdRNjgza hlUptjVl3v9YFLp3+UO04R/JJdOqPSsxDBk0iY4R7HLfD+LZ8sDldRaFWVIwyKk= =xAXV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_1928C08C-0766-4001-A010-A5C41450F735-- From nobody Mon Dec 15 10:11:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3C81A8726 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:11:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Q2wbvvoBOlI for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:10:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8461A8722 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:10:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8E1F1E59EE; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id khgv-P3jCM0g; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [98.125.220.142]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 618831E4FE0; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:10:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <548F242F.5060700@rfc-editor.org> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 10:10:55 -0800 From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Hinden References: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> <547DBBFD.8010603@rfc-editor.org> <548F151C.9060107@rfc-editor.org> <2BD7D703-1D93-481C-A20B-5E39EC4C5273@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2BD7D703-1D93-481C-A20B-5E39EC4C5273@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090807030602030202070304" Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/k8f8IxtgfXVBrZOgolFwqzwG4fw Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT: RFI for fonts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 18:11:04 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090807030602030202070304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/15/14 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Heather, > > On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:06 AM, "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" > wrote: > >> >> Signed PGP part Hello all, >> >> Any further comments? This is more important than you might think; >> if it turns out we cannot find or cannot afford the necessary >> fonts, that has an impact on the non-ASCII character draft. No >> sense allowing character sets if we don't have/can't acquire/can't >> afford legal fonts for them. > > > I think I understand the issue and think getting more information is > good. I have no idea what it would cost to obtain fonts for use in > RFCs. My own experience buying fonts is that they are not very > expensive, but that was for individual use. Not sure how the RFC > Editor would be seen. Right now, I have all of two data points: one involving the Google-sponsored font that is Apache-licensed, and another involving a font explicitly designed for scientific publishing that would cost $40-50K. Neither of those two fonts handle Asian scripts or monospaced fonts. I'm pretty sure no single font library exists for what we need. > > Has anyone done any research looking at font suppliers to see what > the common practice is? Do we know what we are looking for? There > are, of course, a zillion fonts. And that's exactly why I am going the RFI route. This is a whole different area of knowledge, and this is one of the nets I'm throwing out there to start the information collection and sorting process. > > We could even commission a set of RFC fonts :-) We could. I wouldn't recommend it if we can avoid it (the bikeshedding, oh my word, the bikeshedding), but we could. :-) - -Heather -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUjyQvAAoJEER/xjINbZoGcfIH/3DtodF4lGw9yNLRBcQNauzD Qr+MSCGPrNkCGP8SnVkvCNAqlycfHNaAufvR6E7NSg9220efHaTYcZ54QAvrxqMw rGmXpQjBos+UkFVgAJ+a6obN/fN9HLom3SbDybuWk4x1JtWijHVuwjXxlixwd/gJ hZXqq72+rDja1WipGw8mw/NhOwVQApxZ/Cezh0NSVWw+zq/0/feg2/fzWNzj27wS ORcjTkOXbdGaiM0BXxpwfVczEBXnB33mMbPvPHhTlFLfKNYBPZoVpiB6ReBNsMaJ y+9CYjhFOeb/6JpvREZAxvJQCdlg/mLULx+zbxoKQyBDcNrDrsTBPjiDuW6iQpQ= =1F6M -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------090807030602030202070304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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On 12/15/14 9:59 AM, Bob Hinden wrote:
> Heather,
>
> On Dec 15, 2014, at 9:06 AM, "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)"
> <rse@rfc-editor.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> Signed PGP part Hello all,
>>
>> Any further comments?  This is more important than you might think;
>> if it turns out we cannot find or cannot afford the necessary
>> fonts, that has an impact on the non-ASCII character draft.  No
>> sense allowing character sets if we don't have/can't acquire/can't
>> afford legal fonts for them.
>
>
> I think I understand the issue and think getting more information is
> good.  I have no idea what it would cost to obtain fonts for use in
> RFCs.  My own experience buying fonts is that they are not very
> expensive, but that was for individual use.  Not sure how the RFC
> Editor would be seen.

Right now, I have all of two data points: one involving the Google-sponsored font that is Apache-licensed, and another involving a font explicitly designed for scientific publishing that would cost $40-50K.  Neither of those two fonts handle Asian scripts or monospaced fonts.  I'm pretty sure no single font library exists for what we need.

>
> Has anyone done any research looking at font suppliers to see what
> the common practice is?  Do we know what we are looking for?  There
> are, of course, a zillion fonts.

And that's exactly why I am going the RFI route.  This is a whole different area of knowledge, and this is one of the nets I'm throwing out there to start the information collection and sorting process.

>
> We could even commission a set of RFC fonts :-)

We could.  I wouldn't recommend it if we can avoid it (the bikeshedding, oh my word, the bikeshedding), but we could.  :-)

- -Heather
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--------------090807030602030202070304-- From nobody Mon Dec 15 11:08:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C980E1A875A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:08:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.889 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.889 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1qwVp9_QnY7w for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:08:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from egssmtp02.att.com (egssmtp02.att.com [144.160.128.166]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2B1831A876A for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailgw1.maillennium.att.com (maillennium.att.com [135.25.114.99]) by egssmtp02.att.com ( EGS R6 8.14.5 TLS/8.14.5) with ESMTP id sBFJ8RH9002438 for ; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:08:27 -0800 Received: from tonys-macbook-pro.local (unknown[135.110.241.224](untrusted sender)) by maillennium.att.com (mailgw1) with ESMTP id <20141215190821gw100r93rte>; Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:08:26 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [135.110.241.224] Message-ID: <548F31A5.303@att.com> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 14:08:21 -0500 From: Tony Hansen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: tools-development@ietf.org References: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> <547DBBFD.8010603@rfc-editor.org> <548F151C.9060107@rfc-editor.org> <2BD7D703-1D93-481C-A20B-5E39EC4C5273@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2BD7D703-1D93-481C-A20B-5E39EC4C5273@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/Tt1OoYTvP_aba6LYSyxla2HSua0 Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT: RFI for fonts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2014 19:08:32 -0000 On 12/15/14, 12:59 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > We could even commission a set of RFC fonts :-) And visions of a font extremely similar to Courier strike terror in my heart. :-) Tony From nobody Thu Dec 18 07:08:33 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C021A9042 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:08:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wOzYmCHCh-9P for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:08:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 759C41A9045 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:07:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF8E81E5A1E for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:07:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 46Rer-jC3AIW for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:07:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [98.125.220.142]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C397A1E5A1D for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:07:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <5492EDBA.9000907@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 07:07:38 -0800 From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/hvwDCcrYPLxDaCtUSLSHy841tcI Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT: RFI for fonts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 15:08:31 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello all, The draft has been updated to include a bit more intro. Any other suggestions? - ---- - - --- Embedded Fonts for the PDF Publication Format for RFCs Request for Information Description: The RFC Editor provides editing, publishing and archiving services for the RFC series on behalf of the Internet Engineering Task Force and the broader Internet community. The documents published--Internet standards, best common practices, experimental, and informational RFCs--need to reflect the expectations of a global community of authors, implementors, policy makers, academics, and more (see RFC 6949 ). As part of the changes required to meet current expectations, the RFC Series Editor announced to the IETF community in 2013 the intent to change the format for RFCs from a single, plain-text, ASCII-only format to a format based on a canonical XML file with multiple publication outputs. Draft documents describing the requirements include: • Brownlee, N., "SVG Drawings for RFCs: SVG 1.2 RFC", Work in Progress, draft-brownlee-svg-rfc-07, July 2014. • Flanagan, H., "RFC Format Framework", Work in Progress, draft-flanagan-rfc-framework-01, September 2014. • Flanagan, H., "Requirements for Plain Text RFCs", Work in Progress, draft-flanagan-plaintext-01, July 2014. • Flanagan, H., "The Use of Non-ASCII Characters in RFCs", Work in Progress, draft-flanagan-nonascii-02, July 2014. • Hansen, T., Masinter, L., and M. Hardy, "PDF for an RFC Series Output Document Format", Work in Progress, draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf-02, July 2014. • Hildebrand, J. and H. Flanagan, Ed., "HyperText Markup Language Request For Comments Format", Work in Progress, draft-hildebrand-html-rfc-03, June 2014. • Hoffman, P., "The 'XML2RFC' version 3 Vocabulary", Work in Progress, draft-hoffman-xml2rfc-10, September 2014. • Reschke, J., "The 'XML2RFC' version 2 Vocabulary", Work in Progress, draft-reschke-xml2rfc-09, June 2014. One of those outputs will be PDF/A-3 (see draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf ). One particular area of concern for the project is around the question of what fonts may be used in the PDF/A-3 format. A requirement for the PDF/A-3 format is that the font information for any and all fonts used for that document be embedded within the file. The purpose here is to make the file as self-contained and stable as possible. Given the combination of needing to embed font information and allowing the use of non-ASCII characters to meet the expectations of our authors, we have a challenge with finding the right fonts for our use., Requirements for the fonts themselves include: • Serif and sans-serif fonts should be available (to meet the requirement in for main text and headings). • A fixed-width font must be available for code, BNF, and any other text that requires such a font as an aid in insuring alignment. • Wide support for Unicode (which may require multiple fonts) is necessary to support the change that allows non-ASCII characters in RFCs, such as person names in native languages. • Liberal or low-cost license terms. This RFI is seeking information on what is available, where gaps exist such that a font might need to be acquired with a for-fee license, and where a font might need to be designed. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUku26AAoJEER/xjINbZoGC7IH/23zFEZ/odJdWJTE1kzqguGC xsgftdDtjoc03leIH5Hz8QJ+90MdRzc6SNSvoD0wTzlF0i3CDxff1kExQStLwQvr mGzEEeUrNX88h2adNP0VaLpJbdK64Cx1m3Wrg1o7t0Cv2pz4/K9T/oxgo41jjIMV 2cXFD46Yj79NjVBPvg8I8RYPx0PVQ8ju6TjrWsn+y3yk492aMn96wBMmmK82szJs L0UThemS5JAYF6W7gvsMteib6VRjK5vS15npTB+m6Ex3sNixNz1sx+VBz8+cFXpq ENSu1wIrJF3f7hxTYkbUVx2AXilq8UUAJo3470kYb9r2RcwkdIfm4xdsLVKSD3A= =ucxU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Thu Dec 18 08:38:23 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D66D21A1AEB for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:38:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u3dCW9T9RH0J for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:38:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B1FAC1A9074 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:36:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:53096 helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1e4O-0007i6-7w; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:36:56 -0800 Message-ID: <549302A6.7020803@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 17:36:54 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , tools-development@ietf.org References: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> <5492EDBA.9000907@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <5492EDBA.9000907@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik-sent@levkowetz.com, tools-development@ietf.org, rse@rfc-editor.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/Lso_lC0WVTA1t3Pq0lFbwpGcw7s Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT: RFI for fonts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:38:17 -0000 Hi Heather, On 2014-12-18 16:07, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: > > Hello all, > > The draft has been updated to include a bit more intro. Any other > suggestions? Having found a few minutes to think about this, my first thought would be to suggest the DejaVu font family: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DejaVu_fonts It seems to me that it fits the requirements rather well. If this font family is known and has already been considered and found either lacking or meritous, it would be nice to add data about that to the RFI. Best regards, Henrik > > ---- > > - --- > Embedded Fonts for the PDF Publication Format for RFCs > Request for Information > > Description: > The RFC Editor provides editing, publishing and archiving services for > the RFC series on behalf of the Internet Engineering Task Force and the > broader Internet community. The documents published--Internet > standards, best common practices, experimental, and informational > RFCs--need to reflect the expectations of a global community of authors, > implementors, policy makers, academics, and more (see RFC 6949 > ). > > As part of the changes required to meet current expectations, the RFC > Series Editor announced to the IETF community in 2013 the intent to > change the format for RFCs from a single, plain-text, ASCII-only format > to a format based on a canonical XML file with multiple publication > outputs. Draft documents describing the requirements include: > > • Brownlee, N., "SVG Drawings for RFCs: SVG 1.2 RFC", Work in Progress, > draft-brownlee-svg-rfc-07, July 2014. > • Flanagan, H., "RFC Format Framework", Work in Progress, > draft-flanagan-rfc-framework-01, September 2014. > • Flanagan, H., "Requirements for Plain Text RFCs", Work in Progress, > draft-flanagan-plaintext-01, July 2014. > • Flanagan, H., "The Use of Non-ASCII Characters in RFCs", Work in > Progress, draft-flanagan-nonascii-02, July 2014. > • Hansen, T., Masinter, L., and M. Hardy, "PDF for an RFC Series Output > Document Format", Work in Progress, draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf-02, July > 2014. > • Hildebrand, J. and H. Flanagan, Ed., "HyperText Markup Language > Request For Comments Format", Work in Progress, > draft-hildebrand-html-rfc-03, June 2014. > • Hoffman, P., "The 'XML2RFC' version 3 Vocabulary", Work in Progress, > draft-hoffman-xml2rfc-10, September 2014. > • Reschke, J., "The 'XML2RFC' version 2 Vocabulary", Work in Progress, > draft-reschke-xml2rfc-09, June 2014. > One of those outputs will be PDF/A-3 (see draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf > ). > > One particular area of concern for the project is around the question of > what fonts may be used in the PDF/A-3 format. A requirement for the > PDF/A-3 format is that the font information for any and all fonts used > for that document be embedded within the file. The purpose here is to > make the file as self-contained and stable as possible. Given the > combination of needing to embed font information and allowing the use of > non-ASCII characters to meet the expectations of our authors, we have a > challenge with finding the right fonts for our use., > > Requirements for the fonts themselves include: > > • Serif and sans-serif fonts should be available (to meet the > requirement in for main text and headings). > • A fixed-width font must be available for code, BNF, and any other > text that requires such a font as an aid in insuring alignment. > • Wide support for Unicode (which may require multiple fonts) is > necessary to support the change that allows non-ASCII characters in > RFCs, such as person names in native languages. > • Liberal or low-cost license terms. > > > This RFI is seeking information on what is available, where gaps exist > such that a font might need to be acquired with a for-fee license, and > where a font might need to be designed. > > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > From nobody Thu Dec 18 08:48:41 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 390FF1A8AB4 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:48:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vvdmtazseq5y for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D65231A8AAD for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:48:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB1691E5A16; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:48:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zf_3WVEKEiub; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:48:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [98.125.220.142]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F7591E59C8; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:48:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <54930553.2000603@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 08:48:19 -0800 From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Henrik Levkowetz , tools-development@ietf.org References: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> <5492EDBA.9000907@rfc-editor.org> <549302A6.7020803@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <549302A6.7020803@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/uRK5VfkPjgunJ-AwZbdUfsxWTmo Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT: RFI for fonts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 16:48:36 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 12/18/14 8:36 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Heather, > > On 2014-12-18 16:07, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: >> >> Hello all, >> >> The draft has been updated to include a bit more intro. Any other >> suggestions? > > Having found a few minutes to think about this, my first thought would > be to suggest the DejaVu font family: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DejaVu_fonts > > It seems to me that it fits the requirements rather well. > > If this font family is known and has already been considered and found > either lacking or meritous, it would be nice to add data about that to > the RFI. > > I hestitate to put suggestions or requests for information on specific font families or typefaces in the RFI. I have some fonts already on my list to research, including Google's Noto, the Skolar fonts, the DejaVu fonts, and whatever I can dig into via the Apache-licensed filter on http://www.fontsquirrel.com/. The RFI doesn't tie us to anything; it's just a net to see what we get back and to reasonably target further research efforts. - -Heather -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUkwVTAAoJEER/xjINbZoGZVAIAJSZQPkhD9KYXvbasjmUoHc1 ZDvsuqRGKDCH+W1YmKnqszpFTdXkKunRW4xtDgmiEQQQqdHI+pPc6b2j10uzI6fN C8td7CgJL9Nz4Rn41xrSb3XZX80zld+Bh7KQsg6IggCW+0EVg55BNg53cy/S1X0h b010Nv1By1WUl7HHxzbtfqVd7RmQV7ZOBeIhTGQf+DJ5u92W31sVhusGPNEaZa5c pync+awrqUOf7WMUeJffOmJWRny5rFFDAEG+XYqN9TD3dRbej7R3NvLyf8wgCH8h jJCsxwl9A1r5XYpmDKaq/KsDsPwX6/31LtHwRqFlquPHXFqhd57pQGUDaCEJQrc= =o2gA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Thu Dec 18 10:21:58 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE921A1B6B for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:21:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P4n-QukUUcyZ for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B41AC1A1B57 for ; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:21:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([::1]:58828 helo=vigonier.tools.ietf.org) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1Y1fhy-0004A3-M7; Thu, 18 Dec 2014 10:21:55 -0800 Message-ID: <54931B40.9030309@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 19:21:52 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" , tools-development@ietf.org References: <547C5A04.9000405@rfc-editor.org> <5492EDBA.9000907@rfc-editor.org> <549302A6.7020803@levkowetz.com> <54930553.2000603@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <54930553.2000603@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="0Bp2vVj3nQMosvDJ2m8E1mAiicXorxSG1" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: ::1 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik-sent@levkowetz.com, tools-development@ietf.org, rse@rfc-editor.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-development/ogZbC37uRrfLrN8y5O5VD_Ktv7c Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT: RFI for fonts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2014 18:21:57 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --0Bp2vVj3nQMosvDJ2m8E1mAiicXorxSG1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Heather, On 2014-12-18 17:48, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: >=20 > On 12/18/14 8:36 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Hi Heather, >=20 >> On 2014-12-18 16:07, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: >>> >>> Hello all, >>> >>> The draft has been updated to include a bit more intro. Any other >>> suggestions? >=20 >> Having found a few minutes to think about this, my first thought would= >> be to suggest the DejaVu font family: >=20 >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DejaVu_fonts >=20 >> It seems to me that it fits the requirements rather well. >=20 >> If this font family is known and has already been considered and found= >> either lacking or meritous, it would be nice to add data about that to= >> the RFI. >=20 >=20 > I hestitate to put suggestions or requests for information on specific > font families or typefaces in the RFI. I have some fonts already on my= > list to research, including Google's Noto, the Skolar fonts, the DejaVu= > fonts, and whatever I can dig into via the Apache-licensed filter on > http://www.fontsquirrel.com/. >=20 > The RFI doesn't tie us to anything; it's just a net to see what we get > back and to reasonably target further research efforts. Ok, good then. 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