From nobody Wed Jul 1 15:17:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B7CB1B2AB5 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:17:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gfwSI8tDM024 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:17:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 39A961B2AAA for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t61MHeAE066037 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:17:40 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <559466FF.2060707@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 17:17:35 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Making a calendar for upcoming interim meetings from the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:17:44 -0000 At the last call we discussed building a calendar that people can subscribe to for upcoming interim meetings. I indicated that it should be straightforward to do so, unless there were surprises. There turned out to be _many_ little dragon-shaped surprises, but I think the plan is still good. I have a proof-of-concept implementation that shows we can build a calendar (and a regular page to look at in the tracker) showing upcoming meetings, and allowing the person asking to filter to only those groups they care about using the query syntax they are used to with the meeting agenda page (such as ?rtg,-nvo3 to get all routing groups except nvo3). Unfortunately, what's in the tracker right now is woefully inadequate. For instance, the tracker currently has no idea what _time_ an interim would be (it can, but the data is not populated). Further, what we capture to date at www.ietf.org is really hard to point into. If you look, for instance, at http://ietf.org/meeting/interim.html - the upcoming meeting for nvo3 is indicated by the date ranges reflected in the announcement at http://ietf.org/meeting/interim/nvo3-2015-05-01.txt. There's not a place where something short of intelligence can connect the dots. I think the right thing to do here is to still target creating this view and calendar in the tracker, and make sure that we capture and populate the information that calendar will need to have as part of the upcoming interim meeting management tool work. I'll be meeting with Alexa next week to push the requirements/SoW for that work along. RjS From nobody Wed Jul 1 17:19:45 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A841B2C63 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:19:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ukHSGnb9ReuR for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 17:19:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2on0064.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.100.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F419D1B2C60 for ; 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Ray > On Jul 1, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >=20 > At the last call we discussed building a calendar that people can subscrib= e to for upcoming interim meetings. > I indicated that it should be straightforward to do so, unless there were s= urprises. > There turned out to be _many_ little dragon-shaped surprises, but I think t= he plan is still good. >=20 > I have a proof-of-concept implementation that shows we can build a calenda= r (and a regular page to look at in the tracker) showing upcoming meetings, a= nd allowing the person asking to filter to only those groups they care about= using the query syntax they are used to with the meeting agenda page (such a= s ?rtg,-nvo3 to get all routing groups except nvo3). >=20 > Unfortunately, what's in the tracker right now is woefully inadequate. For= instance, the tracker currently has no idea what _time_ an interim would be= (it can, but the data is not populated). Further, what we capture to date a= t www.ietf.org is really hard to point into. If you look, for instance, at h= ttp://ietf.org/meeting/interim.html - the upcoming meeting for nvo3 is indic= ated by the date ranges reflected in the announcement at http://ietf.org/mee= ting/interim/nvo3-2015-05-01.txt. There's not a place where something short o= f intelligence can connect the dots. >=20 > I think the right thing to do here is to still target creating this view a= nd calendar in the tracker, and make sure that we capture and populate the i= nformation that calendar will need to have as part of the upcoming interim m= eeting management tool work. I'll be meeting with Alexa next week to push th= e requirements/SoW for that work along. >=20 > RjS >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Jul 2 07:04:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C4511A90D7 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 07:04:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xInaULxVdKhn 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[71.202.19.53]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y6sm1192974igl.17.2015.07.02.07.17.35 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 02 Jul 2015 07:17:35 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A32A1C35-E60D-4237-A705-EBF45B9965A5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5 From: Bob Hinden X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <1004044853.50815.1435845841520.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2tc409.webex.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 07:17:33 -0700 Message-Id: <989C093C-2AC0-4220-A10E-BFF3FBF60FB0@gmail.com> References: <1004044853.50815.1435845841520.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2tc409.webex.com> To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Archived-At: Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] WebEx meeting invitation: Tools Cmte X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:17:38 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A32A1C35-E60D-4237-A705-EBF45B9965A5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii My regrets, I will be in New Zealand. Bob > On Jul 2, 2015, at 7:04 AM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >=20 > Hello, > Ray Pelletier invites you to join this WebEx meeting. >=20 > Tools Cmte > Tuesday, July 7, 2015 > 1:00 pm | Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00) | 1 hr >=20 > Join WebEx meeting > Meeting number: 824 264 103 >=20 > Join by phone > 1-877-668-4490 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) > 1-408-792-6300 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Access code: 824 264 103 > Global call-in numbers | Toll-free calling restrictions >=20 > Add this meeting to your calendar. >=20 > Can't join the meeting? Contact support. >=20 > IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and = other information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be = discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this session, you = automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to being = recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not join the = session. > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --Apple-Mail=_A32A1C35-E60D-4237-A705-EBF45B9965A5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJVlUf9AAoJEK7rdBF357uo/fIH+wSqs8UThe2vAPDcLxZID20L BGEBVYCTPuqjz/aD5Xlu9kDsORB7QY975TiPIJU3n6L2EL+yvI/jMYOnVWIECtDJ vd1EKj/cwLN1lTRhjADkUHB0R1vbmiyNHu2UwUnMLusABJYHiEr2SoECCYCDyZ3s dYzj2ij82UUuPRW5d/0E6LvxfQ52i/WWBFLKZfCyjLFOGywgMV93JbqWXLzlsFgw 4RTTDBYH9gMjvBQPhBd8+RdAEknuNz7QJ+WV51uGUx7i7PxAaZ5se5/KtM49lF6F Oz85FgZcnYkfsTgDkhc2aKgXqivp5oDL5TDhdAORX0tbmYwCa9WwWA7vlhI3rOo= =I1AD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A32A1C35-E60D-4237-A705-EBF45B9965A5-- From nobody Thu Jul 2 09:06:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242151A8AD4 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:06:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H5zjeqRhumoM for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:06:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B0521A8ABC for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 09:06:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 588899A4046 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:06:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uu+5i+9I8PlL for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:04:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC909A400D for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <1004044853.50815.1435845841520.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2tc409.webex.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 12:05:42 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <1004044853.50815.1435845841520.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2tc409.webex.com> To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 7 July 2015 at 13:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:06:29 -0000 Tools Call Agenda -- 7 July 2015 at 13:00 Eastern 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan - Submission tool automatically generates text from XML -- Robert - Liaison Tool improvements -- Robert - Performance improvements -- Henrik - Review Tracking -- Robert - iCal for face-to-face and virtual interim meetings -- Robert - Automation for WG iCal creation and deletion -- Robert - Making email sending table driven -- Henrik and Robert - Upload PPT or PDF or both for meeting materials -- Robert 2. Community & Other Projects - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg 3. RFC Services Projects - xml2rfc bug fixes -- Alice and Henrik - RFC Editor Website Makeover -- Alice and Heather - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org 5. Server Infrastructure - IMAP access to the email archives -- Robert - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert 6. IDIQ Contractors - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray 7. Parking Lot - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS - RFC Editor automatic stats and reporting RFP -- Heather - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? - Can the test process for the NomCom Tool be more comprehensive? 8. AOB From nobody Thu Jul 2 11:57:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF1A81A88EF for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:57:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.39 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.39 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MANGLED_LIST=2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IYBVsjaAYbTh for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 80D9A1A88C8 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:57:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t62Iv7E3084588 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Thu, 2 Jul 2015 13:57:08 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <5595897E.1000009@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 13:57:02 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ray Pelletier References: <559466FF.2060707@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Making a calendar for upcoming interim meetings from the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:57:09 -0000 On 7/1/15 7:19 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > Robert > Sounds like a good plan > > Is it possible to use a form to capture the details? Of course - building that will be part of the interim meeting management project I mention below. > > Ray > >> On Jul 1, 2015, at 6:17 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >> >> At the last call we discussed building a calendar that people can subscribe to for upcoming interim meetings. >> I indicated that it should be straightforward to do so, unless there were surprises. >> There turned out to be _many_ little dragon-shaped surprises, but I think the plan is still good. >> >> I have a proof-of-concept implementation that shows we can build a calendar (and a regular page to look at in the tracker) showing upcoming meetings, and allowing the person asking to filter to only those groups they care about using the query syntax they are used to with the meeting agenda page (such as ?rtg,-nvo3 to get all routing groups except nvo3). >> >> Unfortunately, what's in the tracker right now is woefully inadequate. For instance, the tracker currently has no idea what _time_ an interim would be (it can, but the data is not populated). Further, what we capture to date at www.ietf.org is really hard to point into. If you look, for instance, at http://ietf.org/meeting/interim.html - the upcoming meeting for nvo3 is indicated by the date ranges reflected in the announcement at http://ietf.org/meeting/interim/nvo3-2015-05-01.txt. There's not a place where something short of intelligence can connect the dots. >> >> I think the right thing to do here is to still target creating this view and calendar in the tracker, and make sure that we capture and populate the information that calendar will need to have as part of the upcoming interim meeting management tool work. I'll be meeting with Alexa next week to push the requirements/SoW for that work along. >> >> RjS >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Mon Jul 6 08:13:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53B231ACD5D for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 08:13:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.232 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.232 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9OrFYshj3qOt for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 08:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.122]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3F0621A9124 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 08:13:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21617 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2015 15:13:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy9.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2015 15:13:30 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id p96C1q00S2SSUrH0196F19; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:06:18 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=RppWckWK c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=AGkejYDSTmIA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=k8P6jPJHYC9E3ad4zz8A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=G7eCgMdaMxoA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=60oLN6fjSVexx4ALALTzH9VjPSvyFGn4N6t86HeAWx4=; b=OxF/F6CxTpeUVjz4m/AwkXpHtXyOvTNVMvJNrRRiDFmLBpJb4Bjtv4KdGHGbeZcs9JEfy8PibIH0Vec14f9LzPUrzB1peoCSSQQBOsnQ5ZgWZrsc1q3MS7Oj1bcXtR6K; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:40848 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZC85D-0002bD-HU; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 09:13:23 -0600 Message-ID: <559A9B08.3050807@labn.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 11:13:12 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sparks , IETF Tools Development References: <559466FF.2060707@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <559466FF.2060707@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Making a calendar for upcoming interim meetings from the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:13:32 -0000 Robert, Maybe there's a different way to come at solving this. Interims* (and other IETF) meetings are really driven by WebEx and webex provides all the needed info neatly in e-mail. While quite ugly, is there perhaps a way to scan/scrape these mails, perhaps leveraging the embedded 'Add this meeting to your calendar' link, to drive creation of entries in the interim, wg, committees, I*, etc icals? Seems ugly, but straightforward. Lou * Always true for virtual interims, true also for most physicals to enable remote participation On 7/1/2015 6:17 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > At the last call we discussed building a calendar that people can > subscribe to for upcoming interim meetings. > I indicated that it should be straightforward to do so, unless there > were surprises. > There turned out to be _many_ little dragon-shaped surprises, but I > think the plan is still good. > > I have a proof-of-concept implementation that shows we can build a > calendar (and a regular page to look at in the tracker) showing upcoming > meetings, and allowing the person asking to filter to only those groups > they care about using the query syntax they are used to with the meeting > agenda page (such as ?rtg,-nvo3 to get all routing groups except nvo3). > > Unfortunately, what's in the tracker right now is woefully inadequate. > For instance, the tracker currently has no idea what _time_ an interim > would be (it can, but the data is not populated). Further, what we > capture to date at www.ietf.org is really hard to point into. If you > look, for instance, at http://ietf.org/meeting/interim.html - the > upcoming meeting for nvo3 is indicated by the date ranges reflected in > the announcement at http://ietf.org/meeting/interim/nvo3-2015-05-01.txt. > There's not a place where something short of intelligence can connect > the dots. > > I think the right thing to do here is to still target creating this view > and calendar in the tracker, and make sure that we capture and populate > the information that calendar will need to have as part of the upcoming > interim meeting management tool work. I'll be meeting with Alexa next > week to push the requirements/SoW for that work along. > > RjS > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > From nobody Mon Jul 6 10:38:42 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BB681A06FD for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 10:38:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W4Yu24ocHTCE for ; 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Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <1004044853.50815.1435845841520.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2tc409.webex.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 7 July 2015 at 13:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 17:40:02 -0000 On tools-discuss, Stephen Farrell noted that the proposed things suggested at https://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/attachment/wiki/HttpsEverywhere/https-everywhere-suggestions.txt have tools and AMS support implications, and asked if any of them are hard to do, or if there's something big missing. Should we spend time on this call discussing any of it? RjS On 7/2/15 11:05 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Tools Call Agenda -- 7 July 2015 at 13:00 Eastern > > 1. Datatracker Projects > - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik > -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan > - Submission tool automatically generates text from XML -- Robert > - Liaison Tool improvements -- Robert > - Performance improvements -- Henrik > - Review Tracking -- Robert > - iCal for face-to-face and virtual interim meetings -- Robert > - Automation for WG iCal creation and deletion -- Robert > - Making email sending table driven -- Henrik and Robert > - Upload PPT or PDF or both for meeting materials -- Robert > > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert > - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg > > 3. RFC Services Projects > - xml2rfc bug fixes -- Alice and Henrik > - RFC Editor Website Makeover -- Alice and Heather > - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert > - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather > > 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools > - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org > > 5. Server Infrastructure > - IMAP access to the email archives -- Robert > - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert > > 6. IDIQ Contractors > - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray > > 7. Parking Lot > - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS > - RFC Editor automatic stats and reporting RFP -- Heather > - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert > - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? > - Can the test process for the NomCom Tool be more comprehensive? > > 8. AOB > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Mon Jul 6 10:44:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E351ACD61 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 10:44:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vOuE5ph5gaWz for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 315A81ACD47 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 10:44:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t66HiG5t029079 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:44:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <559ABE6C.9060405@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 12:44:12 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" , Lou Berger , IETF Tools Development References: <559466FF.2060707@nostrum.com> <559A9B08.3050807@labn.net> <8516CFE9-6CD1-4599-B802-BDEF4C6772D5@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <8516CFE9-6CD1-4599-B802-BDEF4C6772D5@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Making a calendar for upcoming interim meetings from the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 17:44:23 -0000 That hooks in too late in the process, and assumes only webex is used for remote participation. We are going to be solving a bigger problem around interims, and building calendars will fall out nicely from that solution. This is raw (Alexa and I have not talked about it yet), so it will likely change a lot before I put it into SoW form, but here's some initial thinking to give you a feel for the scope we should aim for: http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/interim.html/ RjS On 7/6/15 12:38 PM, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) wrote: > WebEx also has an API. It's not awesome, but it exists: > > https://developer.cisco.com/site/webex-developer/web-conferencing/ > > > > On 7/6/15, 9:13 AM, "TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT on behalf of Lou Berger" wrote: > >> Robert, >> Maybe there's a different way to come at solving this. Interims* >> (and other IETF) meetings are really driven by WebEx and webex provides >> all the needed info neatly in e-mail. While quite ugly, is there >> perhaps a way to scan/scrape these mails, perhaps leveraging the >> embedded 'Add this meeting to your calendar' link, to drive creation of >> entries in the interim, wg, committees, I*, etc icals? Seems ugly, but >> straightforward. >> >> Lou >> >> * Always true for virtual interims, true also for most physicals to >> enable remote participation >> >> On 7/1/2015 6:17 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>> At the last call we discussed building a calendar that people can >>> subscribe to for upcoming interim meetings. >>> I indicated that it should be straightforward to do so, unless there >>> were surprises. >>> There turned out to be _many_ little dragon-shaped surprises, but I >>> think the plan is still good. >>> >>> I have a proof-of-concept implementation that shows we can build a >>> calendar (and a regular page to look at in the tracker) showing upcoming >>> meetings, and allowing the person asking to filter to only those groups >>> they care about using the query syntax they are used to with the meeting >>> agenda page (such as ?rtg,-nvo3 to get all routing groups except nvo3). >>> >>> Unfortunately, what's in the tracker right now is woefully inadequate. >>> For instance, the tracker currently has no idea what _time_ an interim >>> would be (it can, but the data is not populated). Further, what we >>> capture to date at www.ietf.org is really hard to point into. If you >>> look, for instance, at http://ietf.org/meeting/interim.html - the >>> upcoming meeting for nvo3 is indicated by the date ranges reflected in >>> the announcement at http://ietf.org/meeting/interim/nvo3-2015-05-01.txt. >>> There's not a place where something short of intelligence can connect >>> the dots. >>> >>> I think the right thing to do here is to still target creating this view >>> and calendar in the tracker, and make sure that we capture and populate >>> the information that calendar will need to have as part of the upcoming >>> interim meeting management tool work. I'll be meeting with Alexa next >>> week to push the requirements/SoW for that work along. >>> >>> RjS >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> > From nobody Mon Jul 6 11:24:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 035391B2C5C for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 11:24:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rebd4XYypEPz for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 11:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.23.142]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 87CD21B2C0E for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 11:24:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28612 invoked by uid 0); 6 Jul 2015 18:24:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy4.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2015 18:24:40 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id p6H01q00S2SSUrH016H3WM; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 12:17:04 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ItWNLtPg c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=AGkejYDSTmIA:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=Z80JlwQ0AAAA:8 a=AUd_NHdVAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=1bcYg0va44or8lmHJqoA:9 a=I2iDUk0X5QUOtBGl:21 a=HGgGr3xSH9kiAjaG:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=LiePzIw_11sA:10 a=G7eCgMdaMxoA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=3vnVlHKO8faGsTTe4KHdhxIV3WB4pohsimFxiBjlDxM=; b=biQlQPAdMq9oRa4fDtQ96qHIV/arNSwnX31wgKsDHeC+BnnoGvSAolSXCylRsGDiqFxibb+hNUVmRjEKmQfBRaFZENDZUXPLE1PAqOFVyV0FAugozRAaGLwR20JDM076; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:52494 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCB4F-0006qM-TM; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 12:24:36 -0600 Message-ID: <559AC7D8.8050505@labn.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:24:24 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sparks , "Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr)" , IETF Tools Development References: <559466FF.2060707@nostrum.com> <559A9B08.3050807@labn.net> <8516CFE9-6CD1-4599-B802-BDEF4C6772D5@cisco.com> <559ABE6C.9060405@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <559ABE6C.9060405@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Making a calendar for upcoming interim meetings from the datatracker X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 18:24:48 -0000 Robert, On 7/6/2015 1:44 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > That hooks in too late in the process, okay, but it seems like a trivial way to get basic functionality with low effort. -- at least to fill the gap until we have a full solution. > and assumes only webex is used > for remote participation. isn't that the case today. > We are going to be solving a bigger problem around interims, and > building calendars will fall out nicely from that solution. okay. look forward having a solution. (in the mean time I'll probably write a 'quick and dirty' script and hook it into procmail for my personal consumption.) Thanks, Lou > > This is raw (Alexa and I have not talked about it yet), so it will > likely change a lot before I put it into SoW form, but here's some > initial thinking to give you a feel for the scope we should aim for: > http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/interim.html/ > > RjS > > On 7/6/15 12:38 PM, Joe Hildebrand (jhildebr) wrote: >> WebEx also has an API. It's not awesome, but it exists: >> >> https://developer.cisco.com/site/webex-developer/web-conferencing/ >> >> >> >> On 7/6/15, 9:13 AM, "TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT on behalf of Lou Berger" wrote: >> >>> Robert, >>> Maybe there's a different way to come at solving this. Interims* >>> (and other IETF) meetings are really driven by WebEx and webex provides >>> all the needed info neatly in e-mail. While quite ugly, is there >>> perhaps a way to scan/scrape these mails, perhaps leveraging the >>> embedded 'Add this meeting to your calendar' link, to drive creation of >>> entries in the interim, wg, committees, I*, etc icals? Seems ugly, but >>> straightforward. >>> >>> Lou >>> >>> * Always true for virtual interims, true also for most physicals to >>> enable remote participation >>> >>> On 7/1/2015 6:17 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>>> At the last call we discussed building a calendar that people can >>>> subscribe to for upcoming interim meetings. >>>> I indicated that it should be straightforward to do so, unless there >>>> were surprises. >>>> There turned out to be _many_ little dragon-shaped surprises, but I >>>> think the plan is still good. >>>> >>>> I have a proof-of-concept implementation that shows we can build a >>>> calendar (and a regular page to look at in the tracker) showing upcoming >>>> meetings, and allowing the person asking to filter to only those groups >>>> they care about using the query syntax they are used to with the meeting >>>> agenda page (such as ?rtg,-nvo3 to get all routing groups except nvo3). >>>> >>>> Unfortunately, what's in the tracker right now is woefully inadequate. >>>> For instance, the tracker currently has no idea what _time_ an interim >>>> would be (it can, but the data is not populated). Further, what we >>>> capture to date at www.ietf.org is really hard to point into. If you >>>> look, for instance, at http://ietf.org/meeting/interim.html - the >>>> upcoming meeting for nvo3 is indicated by the date ranges reflected in >>>> the announcement at http://ietf.org/meeting/interim/nvo3-2015-05-01.txt. >>>> There's not a place where something short of intelligence can connect >>>> the dots. >>>> >>>> I think the right thing to do here is to still target creating this view >>>> and calendar in the tracker, and make sure that we capture and populate >>>> the information that calendar will need to have as part of the upcoming >>>> interim meeting management tool work. I'll be meeting with Alexa next >>>> week to push the requirements/SoW for that work along. >>>> >>>> RjS >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>> > From nobody Tue Jul 7 09:05:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 667C51ACD9B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 09:05:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.789 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.789 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZPH3LOXCLv06 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 09:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68B451A8A04 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 09:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70951E59C5 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 09:04:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fqZW2qYUWhhh for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 09:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.20] (68-204-56-146.res.bhn.net [68.204.56.146]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7B9F71E59C2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 09:04:52 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2102\)) From: Matt Larson X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:05:55 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <1004044853.50815.1435845841520.JavaMail.nobody@jsj2tc409.webex.com> To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2102) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 7 July 2015 at 13:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 16:05:57 -0000 Please accept my regrets for the Tools call. I am at the Orlando data = center handling a hardware failure (non-IETF related). Matt > On Jul 2, 2015, at 12:05 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Tools Call Agenda -- 7 July 2015 at 13:00 Eastern ------------------------------------------- Matthew Larson, Software Engineer Association Management Solutions Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 http://www.amsl.com From nobody Tue Jul 7 11:21:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E21921A1A69 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 11:21:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UimhJoOYg9Ai for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 11:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23981A1A75 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 11:21:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D619A405F for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:21:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gu1RC+Vlu0To for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CC4D9A407B for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:20:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:20:32 -0400 Message-Id: <2A826FB0-7A66-444D-9FD1-2EA9213CE548@vigilsec.com> To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] DRAFT Agenda for September 8th X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 18:21:23 -0000 Tools Call Agenda -- 8 September 2015 at 13:00 Eastern 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan - Submission tool automatically generates text from XML -- Robert - Liaison Tool improvements -- Robert - Performance improvements -- Henrik - Review Tracking -- Robert - iCal for face-to-face and virtual interim meetings -- Robert - Making email sending table driven -- Henrik and Robert 2. Community & Other Projects - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg 3. RFC Services Projects - RFC Editor Website Makeover -- Alice and Heather - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org 5. Server Infrastructure - IMAP access to the email archives -- Robert - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert 6. IDIQ Contractors - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray 7. Brainstorming - What can we do that will make things better for the community, the Secretariat, the RFC Editor, or IANA? 8. Parking Lot - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS - RFC Editor automatic stats and reporting RFP -- Heather - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? - Can the test process for the NomCom Tool be more comprehensive? 9. AOB From nobody Tue Jul 7 12:27:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D67E1A1B1F for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:27:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oNPytyd4vODK for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 117F71A87A8 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 12:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t67JRrGo029045 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 14:27:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <559C2834.1020100@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 14:27:48 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] RFC Format SOWs X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 19:27:56 -0000 Per today's call, please review the SoWs at http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/rfced/ (I have already made the changes to idnits that I indicated were coming on the call). We will need to decide how to bundle these for RFP. Do we wrap them all in one RFP, and ask for a single contractor (who may sub), or do we package these as a set of RFPs. If a set, which do we combine? RjS From nobody Fri Jul 10 11:52:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 980641A1ADF for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:52:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.909 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9GJ890ilZjij for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C5BB1A036F for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:52:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t6AIqhlj072379 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:52:44 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <55A01476.5080500@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 13:52:38 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Development References: <559FEC30.9010504@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <559FEC30.9010504@nostrum.com> X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <559FEC30.9010504@nostrum.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050802010509090300040804" Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: [Tools-discuss] Raw 1st draft: SoW for improvements to the manual submission process X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 18:52:47 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050802010509090300040804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I got bitten by a bad autocomplete again. This (development) is where I really meant to send this. RjS -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [Tools-discuss] Raw 1st draft: SoW for improvements to the manual submission process Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:00:48 -0500 From: Robert Sparks To: Tools Team Discussion The transparency of the ID submission process needs to be improved, particularly for those submissions that are handled directly by the secretariat ("manual" and "forced" submissions). When an author uses the datatracker submission tool, SubmissionEvents are captured, noting when the draft was submitted, when it was approved by previous authors (and by who), when it was approved by a WG chair if such approval was necessary, and when it was posted into the repository. Currently, the document’s history shows only that a new version is available. The submission tool presents an option to authors to request that the secretariat finish the submission process. The datatracker captures the candidate document and sends email to the secretariat. Often the request is made because the submission tool was unable to extract the correct meta-data from the document. In this case, the secretariat populates the meta-data, and forces the post. In other cases, there are issues identified by id-nits that the secretariat helps diagnose, and the author is guided through fixing the issues and restarting the submission process with a repaired document. Again, SubmissionEvents are captured as the document goes through this process, but for drafts that are forced, the document history does not reflect these events. The secretariat also receives requests to post a draft by direct email, bypassing the submission tool altogether. (Currently, the secretariat receives around 10 such requests each meeting cycle). The secretariat operates the submission tool on behalf of the author. The SubmissionEvents currently captured do not reflect that this was a manual submission request. The secretariat currently relies on a combination of RT and personal email archives to keep track of the outstanding manual submission requests. This project will make the following improvements: When a document is posted via the normal submission process, DocEvents reflecting the SubmissionEvents for the initial submission, the approval of previous authors, and the approval of a stream authority (such as WG chairs for a WG -00) will be added to the document. That is, where documents currently typically have a first history entry of "New version available: whatever-00", The first entries will be "New version submitted", "New version approved by previous author: (name)", "WG -00 approved by (name)", "New version available: whatever-00". The entries for subsequent versions are analogous. When manual submission is requested via the submission tool, and the document is posted by the secretariat, DocEvents reflecting that the manual posting was requested, any approvals obtained, and that the document was forced will be added to the document. An example of the entries would be "Manual submission requested by (name)", "Meta-data set to by (name)", "WG -00 approved by (name)", "New version available: whatever -00". When manual submission is requested by direct email, the secretariat will have the ability to tell the tracker that the request was received and upload the document from the email request, but not handle the request immediately. After this indication, the document will be in the same condition as a document requesting manual submission via the submission tool. However the secretariat should not be forced to take that extra step if the request will be processed immediately. The submission tool should be modified to allow the secretariat to indicate they are submitting the document on behalf of an author at their request for manual submission. SubmissionEvents indicating that manual submission was requested will be created. Once the document is posted, DocEvents reflecting the history of the submission (as described for the above cases) will be created. A page will be created (readable by anyone) that shows the set of outstanding manual submission requests. Each entry will either show, or provide navigation to a separate page that shows, the SubmissionEvent history for the outstanding submission. When logged in as the secretariat, there will be easy navigation from each entry to the page that allows processing the request. Note that as of release 6.0.4, the manual submission process results in a DocEvent that says simple "New version available" without providing a link to the version that became available. This project will ensure that all paths that produce a "New version available" DocEvent include a link to the new version in the event’s description. -- Tools-discuss mailing list Tools-discuss@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss Please report datatracker.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org --------------050802010509090300040804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I got bitten by a bad autocomplete again.
This (development) is where I really meant to send this.

RjS


-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: [Tools-discuss] Raw 1st draft: SoW for improvements to the manual submission process
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 11:00:48 -0500
From: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>
To: Tools Team Discussion <tools-discuss@ietf.org> 


The transparency of the ID submission process needs to be improved,
particularly for those submissions that are handled directly by the
secretariat ("manual" and "forced" submissions).

When an author uses the datatracker submission tool, SubmissionEvents
are captured, noting when the draft was submitted, when it was approved
by previous authors (and by who), when it was approved by a WG chair if
such approval was necessary, and when it was posted into the
repository. Currently, the document’s history shows only that a new
version is available.

The submission tool presents an option to authors to request that the
secretariat finish the submission process. The datatracker captures the
candidate document and sends email to the secretariat. Often the
request is made because the submission tool was unable to extract the
correct meta-data from the document. In this case, the secretariat
populates the meta-data, and forces the post. In other cases, there are
issues identified by id-nits that the secretariat helps diagnose, and
the author is guided through fixing the issues and restarting the
submission process with a repaired document. Again, SubmissionEvents
are captured as the document goes through this process, but for drafts
that are forced, the document history does not reflect these events.

The secretariat also receives requests to post a draft by direct email,
bypassing the submission tool altogether. (Currently, the secretariat
receives around 10 such requests each meeting cycle). The secretariat
operates the submission tool on behalf of the author. The
SubmissionEvents currently captured do not reflect that this was a
manual submission request.

The secretariat currently relies on a combination of RT and personal
email archives to keep track of the outstanding manual submission
requests.

This project will make the following improvements:

When a document is posted via the normal submission process, DocEvents
reflecting the SubmissionEvents for the initial submission, the
approval of previous authors, and the approval of a stream authority
(such as WG chairs for a WG -00) will be added to the document. That
is, where documents currently typically have a first history entry of
"New version available: whatever-00", The first entries will be "New
version submitted", "New version approved by previous author: (name)",
"WG -00 approved by (name)", "New version available: whatever-00". The
entries for subsequent versions are analogous.

When manual submission is requested via the submission tool, and the
document is posted by the secretariat, DocEvents reflecting that the
manual posting was requested, any approvals obtained, and that the
document was forced will be added to the document.  An example of the
entries would be  "Manual submission requested by (name)", "Meta-data
set to <metadata> by (name)", "WG -00 approved by (name)", "New version
available: whatever -00".

When manual submission is requested by direct email, the secretariat
will have the ability to tell the tracker that the request was received
and upload the document from the email request, but not handle the
request immediately. After this indication, the document will be in the
same condition as a document requesting manual submission via the
submission tool.

However the secretariat should not be forced to take that extra step if
the request will be processed immediately. The submission tool should
be modified to allow the secretariat to indicate they are submitting
the document on behalf of an author at their request for manual
submission. SubmissionEvents indicating that manual submission was
requested will be created. Once the document is posted, DocEvents
reflecting the history of the submission (as described for the above
cases) will be created.

A page will be created (readable by anyone) that shows the set of
outstanding manual submission requests. Each entry will either show, or
provide navigation to a separate page that shows, the SubmissionEvent
history for the outstanding submission. When logged in as the
secretariat, there will be easy navigation from each entry to the page
that allows processing the request.

Note that as of release 6.0.4, the manual submission process results in
a DocEvent that says simple "New version available" without providing a
link to the version that became available.  This project will ensure
that all paths that produce a "New version available" DocEvent include
a link to the new version in the event’s description.

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--------------050802010509090300040804-- From nobody Mon Jul 13 14:50:19 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8AE71A039C for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:50:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XxjgPkPWv8nw for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 493971A0367 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 14:50:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t6DLoFt1060424 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:50:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <55A43292.8040909@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 16:50:10 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] interim meeting management SoW X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:50:18 -0000 I've updated http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/interim.html/ with input from the secretariat. It is sufficiently complete to warrant careful review and discussion in Prague. Please look it over and let me know what needs to change before we format it as an SoW and ask someone to work on it. RjS From nobody Mon Jul 13 15:32:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AC571A7035 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:32:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1I03Z3z-Y6y1 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 733F71A700D for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 15:32:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6F489A4040; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:32:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SfKw6QT0tdDl; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 739399A404B; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <55A43292.8040909@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 18:32:33 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8F88EBA6-2294-452D-943F-492E6887AEFD@vigilsec.com> References: <55A43292.8040909@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] interim meeting management SoW X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 22:32:57 -0000 I think the ics view of interim meetings should only contain upcoming = meetings. Cancelled and ones that already happened should not appear = there. In terms of the meeting request user interface, wouldn't it be better to = have a type that is face-to-face or virtual, and gather location = information only for face-to-face meetings. Russ On Jul 13, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > I've updated http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/interim.html/ with input = from the secretariat. > It is sufficiently complete to warrant careful review and discussion = in Prague. > Please look it over and let me know what needs to change before we = format it as an SoW and ask someone to work on it. >=20 > RjS >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Mon Jul 13 19:16:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8555E1A8946 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:16:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sgSpeVy8WW2m for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 191F51A8944 for ; Mon, 13 Jul 2015 19:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t6E2GRL5033413 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:16:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <55A470F6.2010609@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2015 21:16:22 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley References: <55A43292.8040909@nostrum.com> <8F88EBA6-2294-452D-943F-492E6887AEFD@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <8F88EBA6-2294-452D-943F-492E6887AEFD@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] interim meeting management SoW X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 02:16:29 -0000 On 7/13/15 5:32 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > I think the ics view of interim meetings should only contain upcoming meetings. Definitely - if the text implies reflecting things in the past, it should be fixed. > Cancelled and ones that already happened should not appear there. So cancelled things in the future are a different story. I've heard from the secretariat rather strongly that it is far more confusing for people (more questions get sent in) if a meeting in the future just disappears as opposed to being marked cancelled. > > In terms of the meeting request user interface, wouldn't it be better to have a type that is face-to-face or virtual, and gather location information only for face-to-face meetings. So, we could present two different views and populate the models accordingly, sure. The models we have were envisioned for meetings (mostly our main ietf meetings) that have a face-to-face component (and lots of sessions). If the trend of many virtual meetings continues, we may want to reoptimize.... > > Russ > > On Jul 13, 2015, at 5:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > >> I've updated http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/interim.html/ with input from the secretariat. >> It is sufficiently complete to warrant careful review and discussion in Prague. >> Please look it over and let me know what needs to change before we format it as an SoW and ask someone to work on it. >> >> RjS >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Fri Jul 24 00:10:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A88C61B2F8D for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 00:10:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n5Ohvp0AVuWW for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 00:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36B991ACEBD for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 00:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9675B9A405F for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 03:10:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NZI7KHr5TaQX for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 03:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhcp-b4d9.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-b4d9.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.180.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB5849A4048 for ; Fri, 24 Jul 2015 03:09:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 03:09:34 -0400 Message-Id: To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] draft-housley-sow-author-statistics-00 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:10:29 -0000 Please review and comment. In particular, is this ready to go out for = community comment.= From nobody Wed Jul 29 09:43:41 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BD2A1ACD38 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:43:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k8h4vT9c0xBv for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67F241ACD46 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:43:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A87451E59E4 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:42:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YFgc5AtEbgrw for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [207.118.0.15]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7C7861E59D9 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55B902BC.1000604@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 09:43:40 -0700 From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Random suggestion from someone at IETF 93 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:43:40 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hi, An IETF participant offered an interesting suggestion last week that might help newbies add some context to specific WGs and drafts. Would it be possible to provide links to the WG sessions and presentations on the WG home pages? People who are looking for more background and history could review those and come into any existing conversations with a bit more knowledge than they might have otherwise. - -Heather -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJVuQK8AAoJEER/xjINbZoGv+QH/2sy573dS4S5ath0jKl1TS94 Z3NwPGF1Gtd+X9cvRecDGgcyVtqRKYgVp6upwZp4Y+v4uwBqGPbIjztmvnH7GaXB B2ub4wYYhfkdXlK6LUY2a1IasC4ff5jeZoCQUfKpYXt59xPf+lSIFy5cqODWtN5s m5vMqken90puQdBRGOK5Fr9ps0cIdl4si6dpXy+EOoqXQaJhuKJP1AXwoMHcohJj a9ikRBUSUa1uCNvsCuy6eglJGgSd9l1rRP8PoezuRr+ZmTrcsH9rp/p6V7Clc8g9 Ja4Wdx+zy+Fcmo47oe/KzqYJpz9/YTYBQgsnyry+fwsCEpicI5X0qBkAiauVS10= =MLsI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Wed Jul 29 10:45:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA83D1B2BB5 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:45:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 44xL09SDf0LU for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7EAF11B2C0B for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t6THjpXr097440 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:45:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local Message-ID: <55B9114A.7090707@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:45:46 -0500 From: Robert Sparks User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <55B902BC.1000604@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <55B902BC.1000604@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Random suggestion from someone at IETF 93 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 17:45:54 -0000 We are working towards something that would provide that already, integrating what you would find at the agendas and minutes links at pages like http://tools.ietf.org/wg/stir/ with the materials metadata the tracker is capable of storing to provide a view from the datatracker. RjS On 7/29/15 11:43 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Hi, > > An IETF participant offered an interesting suggestion last week that > might help newbies add some context to specific WGs and drafts. Would it > be possible to provide links to the WG sessions and presentations on the > WG home pages? People who are looking for more background and history > could review those and come into any existing conversations with a bit > more knowledge than they might have otherwise. > > - -Heather > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 > Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org > > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJVuQK8AAoJEER/xjINbZoGv+QH/2sy573dS4S5ath0jKl1TS94 > Z3NwPGF1Gtd+X9cvRecDGgcyVtqRKYgVp6upwZp4Y+v4uwBqGPbIjztmvnH7GaXB > B2ub4wYYhfkdXlK6LUY2a1IasC4ff5jeZoCQUfKpYXt59xPf+lSIFy5cqODWtN5s > m5vMqken90puQdBRGOK5Fr9ps0cIdl4si6dpXy+EOoqXQaJhuKJP1AXwoMHcohJj > a9ikRBUSUa1uCNvsCuy6eglJGgSd9l1rRP8PoezuRr+ZmTrcsH9rp/p6V7Clc8g9 > Ja4Wdx+zy+Fcmo47oe/KzqYJpz9/YTYBQgsnyry+fwsCEpicI5X0qBkAiauVS10= > =MLsI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Wed Jul 29 11:11:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30B101A87C0 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:11:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mV8z8fXc7nPu for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 486FB1A0358 for ; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B035CF24128; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:11:41 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rEcdl4MRNh19; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E65CDF24133; Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <55B902BC.1000604@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 14:11:07 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <55B902BC.1000604@rfc-editor.org> To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Random suggestion from someone at IETF 93 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 18:11:54 -0000 It seems like it would be pretty easy to put links to the proceedings = for WG sessions and interims. Russ On Jul 29, 2015, at 12:43 PM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) = wrote: >=20 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > An IETF participant offered an interesting suggestion last week that > might help newbies add some context to specific WGs and drafts. Would = it > be possible to provide links to the WG sessions and presentations on = the > WG home pages? People who are looking for more background and history > could review those and come into any existing conversations with a bit > more knowledge than they might have otherwise. >=20 > - -Heather > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 > Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org >=20 > iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJVuQK8AAoJEER/xjINbZoGv+QH/2sy573dS4S5ath0jKl1TS94 > Z3NwPGF1Gtd+X9cvRecDGgcyVtqRKYgVp6upwZp4Y+v4uwBqGPbIjztmvnH7GaXB > B2ub4wYYhfkdXlK6LUY2a1IasC4ff5jeZoCQUfKpYXt59xPf+lSIFy5cqODWtN5s > m5vMqken90puQdBRGOK5Fr9ps0cIdl4si6dpXy+EOoqXQaJhuKJP1AXwoMHcohJj > a9ikRBUSUa1uCNvsCuy6eglJGgSd9l1rRP8PoezuRr+ZmTrcsH9rp/p6V7Clc8g9 > Ja4Wdx+zy+Fcmo47oe/KzqYJpz9/YTYBQgsnyry+fwsCEpicI5X0qBkAiauVS10=3D > =3DMLsI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development