From nobody Thu Oct 1 14:26:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7FD81A898F; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:26:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mIBJ-YoShHHI; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90891A8990; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:26:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7C7A1E5A21; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:26:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lW5OlXYBq40M; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (174-125-126-229.dyn.centurytel.net [174.125.126.229]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6A6A11E5A07; Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:26:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 To: iab@iab.org, iesg@ietf.org, rsoc@iab.org, tools-development@ietf.org Message-ID: <560DA517.9010004@rfc-editor.org> Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2015 14:26:47 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] New RFC Editor Website - Live! X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 01 Oct 2015 21:26:47 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hello RSOC, IAB, IESG, and Tools team, Below is a note I'm about to send out to rfc-interest. Many thanks to the project team that made this happen! - ------ The new RFC Editor website is up and running. Thank you to all who have submitted comments against the preview. We are tracking the comments on the RFC Series Editor wiki and reviewing them as part of our ongoing plans to improve the site. Because this is an entirely new site, and new deployment, we expect that there will be the odd problem discovered. AMS staff will be working to resolve any issues as soon as possible. If you have additional feedback about the new website, please post to rfc-interest@rfc-editor.org. If you have a bug report, please send it to webmaster@rfc-editor.org. Thank you again for your support during this transition, Heather Flanagan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWDaUXAAoJEER/xjINbZoGSm8IAIlly9GgpmvPvi5Uhmh+LUuV YX2KOGhl+gKj3+bjq8W5wshjIAdIfXIMY4un+DH/h20kAHPoVR0b1hS8pdXi50ZQ AEokoI5U8lKKneFSbor3kLZh/x7STh00v64isB3G/1wU3t2hZ/1bLiS/ZwZXn2BS 2+wH+ry0XXZ2yV/Z3T0+rGDH8eO2zC3ZsqKbjZLFnW1NEF/PJPowSKA3t9CCu88f JtWtps+HdHK90hayPihxyFwUCDk/kaY6Jt84PO/at4cMW0rZZhRpDddI387tYf/c jpdsunfUDKnhHBLlJ/vj4V/6e+Ebqb4RJt4oNlIYd/6oR4tT2Ur2EhIuiZhjlg0=3D =3Dx9Ru -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Fri Oct 2 13:40:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB9471B2DC6 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:40:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.033 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.033 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9KHI109svEJs for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B8E81B2DC2 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 13:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 29903 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2015 20:40:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2015 20:40:53 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id QSgn1r00E2SSUrH01SgqCN; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 20:40:51 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Zs1+dbLG c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=5lJygRwiOn0A:10 a=RrtgN0fCtKN0uuJudJMA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To; bh=yzKXDYNHloCyPL9jLlKX27oJBh5d9aZmMOJIEqbKXNM=; b=SKimYMwfe42afph3u8Um82d3Acl7o1INYUVf551p6pp5G5vn30k9pFpL/n+JW17nlr/HwdCvL3j9C3U7uq23TsDwe0wtTy7ArVH9+8BHvp+sFHl9FS7lDg2xOKv7+l/I; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:45025 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi78K-0007VI-RX for tools-development@ietf.org; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 14:40:48 -0600 To: IETF Tools Development From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <560EEBCA.2020409@labn.net> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 16:40:42 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] milestones listed in reverse? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 20:40:55 -0000 Hi, Does anyone know why the data tracker has started listing milestones in reverse (with last date first)? Thanks, Lou From nobody Fri Oct 2 14:15:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B86C1B2ED7 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 14:15:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OmzK03vbuj6r for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 14:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5FE681B2ED5 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 14:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t92LFTVI076885 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Fri, 2 Oct 2015 16:15:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: Lou Berger , IETF Tools Development , "Eggert, Lars" References: <560EEBCA.2020409@labn.net> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <560EF3EC.6060608@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 16:15:24 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <560EEBCA.2020409@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] milestones listed in reverse? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 21:15:33 -0000 Well, it's not super recent - it came in with the facelift, so it should have been this way since April. Digging into the history, it looks like the change came from Lars' original facelift work. Thinking a bit about it, I think having them listed in the current order (future things first, very old things last) is more useful than the other way around - a reader looking at most charters will find the relevant things more quickly. RjS On 10/2/15 3:40 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone know why the data tracker has started listing milestones > in reverse (with last date first)? > > Thanks, > Lou > > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Fri Oct 2 14:28:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4671A893E for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 14:28:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.267 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.267 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x5b_k9QtfMR9 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 14:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.95]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id EB3271A88F6 for ; Fri, 2 Oct 2015 14:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 19831 invoked by uid 0); 2 Oct 2015 21:28:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 2 Oct 2015 21:28:37 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id QTUW1r00j2SSUrH01TUZRa; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 21:28:35 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Zs1+dbLG c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=5lJygRwiOn0A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=8-s8CV-4f3AND3vTMSkA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=uJR0dOF7rF+rrvtLkDLX1W7JLfP98cO94fVDP5AhnMA=; b=fHekRJL34oBA4vZSz4Z5YnMbPAGlxdci4JxoPmrtKuD49g02pSIGzEHKFFQH7SJN4h8ug8M/FVT7EapHYqiHoxXCIG03a+RUAHJV+I8qgFFnSjsVcwV8+sJ3ri13Litk; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:48082 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Zi7sW-0007FJ-0P; Fri, 02 Oct 2015 15:28:32 -0600 To: Robert Sparks , IETF Tools Development , "Eggert, Lars" References: <560EEBCA.2020409@labn.net> <560EF3EC.6060608@nostrum.com> From: Lou Berger X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <560EF6F8.7020908@labn.net> Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2015 17:28:24 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <560EF3EC.6060608@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] milestones listed in reverse? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2015 21:28:50 -0000 Hi Robert, On 10/2/2015 5:15 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > Well, it's not super recent - it came in with the facelift, so it should > have been this way since April. Frankly, I typically look at charter and deliverables via the tools page and it still has it the old way. I had to review the milestones for a new WG and this is the first time I noticed it. The AD I was talking to must do things the same way I do as she too commented on the surprising ordering. > Digging into the history, it looks like the change came from Lars' > original facelift work. > > Thinking a bit about it, I think having them listed in the current order > (future things first, very old things last) is more useful than the > other way around - a reader looking at most charters will find the > relevant things more quickly. I guess this is a matter of personal preference and habit. I typically only look at milestones to see what needs updating and what's coming up. This typically involves looking for the first not 'done' items. The new order makes this more cumbersome (need to go the end and read up.) It's not really a big deal for me as I really just use the tools page. Note that when you go to edit the milestones, they are still (thankfully) in chronological order. Although the new UI is really painful when entering multiple new milestones -- a tsv or csv upload feature would be really nice -- just wishful thinking. Thanks, Lou > > RjS > > > > > On 10/2/15 3:40 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >> Hi, >> Does anyone know why the data tracker has started listing milestones >> in reverse (with last date first)? >> >> Thanks, >> Lou >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > From nobody Fri Oct 9 09:29:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0742F1B46DF for ; Fri, 9 Oct 2015 09:29:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, GB_I_INVITATION=-2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from 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Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <43A5C436-707E-4D7A-B792-FFB033BCD4B7@vigilsec.com> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2015 14:14:02 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <761D8062-AFBB-4F7F-A167-5C7C23F98ADF@vigilsec.com> References: <43A5C436-707E-4D7A-B792-FFB033BCD4B7@vigilsec.com> To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 13 October 2015 at 13:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2015 18:14:47 -0000 I have not seem much discussion of the draft SOWs. For the RFC Editor tools, the SOWs are here: http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/rfced/ In addition, Robert asked for review of three additional SOWs: http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/pmsow/ Please send comments before the tools call scheduled for next Tuesday. Russ = = = = = = = = Tools Call Agenda -- 13 October 2015 at 13:00 Eastern 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan - Update instructions for I-D Submission tool -- Robert - Liaison Tool improvements -- Robert - Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests -- Robert - Interim Meeting Management -- Robert - Review Tracking -- Robert - Author Statistics -- Russ 2. Community & Other Projects - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg 3. RFC Services Projects - RFC Editor Website Makeover -- Alice and Heather - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org 5. Server Infrastructure - File sync from Sunnyvale to Orlando -- Henrik - IMAP access to the email archives -- Robert 6. IDIQ Contractors - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray 7. Parking Lot - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS - RFC Editor automatic stats and reporting RFP -- Heather - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? - Can the test process for the NomCom Tool be more comprehensive? - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert - Add the YANG checker to the I-D Submission Tool - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub 8. AOB From nobody Mon Oct 12 12:20:09 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571EE1B358C for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:20:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bRixhggRBRja for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8273E1B3589 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 12:20:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t9CJK464002379 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:20:04 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: Russ Housley , IETF Tools Development References: <43A5C436-707E-4D7A-B792-FFB033BCD4B7@vigilsec.com> <761D8062-AFBB-4F7F-A167-5C7C23F98ADF@vigilsec.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <561C07DF.8020103@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:19:59 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <761D8062-AFBB-4F7F-A167-5C7C23F98ADF@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 13 October 2015 at 13:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 19:20:07 -0000 Some notes (and questions) to try to help make tomorrow's call efficient: On 10/9/15 1:14 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > I have not seem much discussion of the draft SOWs. > > For the RFC Editor tools, the SOWs are here: > http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/rfced/ > > In addition, Robert asked for review of three additional SOWs: > http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/pmsow/ > > Please send comments before the tools call scheduled for next Tuesday. > > Russ > > = = = = = = = = > > Tools Call Agenda -- 13 October 2015 at 13:00 Eastern > > 1. Datatracker Projects > - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik > -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan We've issued a bugfix release and a major functionality release (liaision tool) so far this month. The new email management framework should be released very soon (maybe before tomorrow's call). We have some big work from Iola ready to merge: * improvements to saving things like Documents, capturing events and history more consistently * improvements to the test crawler to cover pages when logged in as the secretariat, and fixes to the bugs exposed by doing that crawl More are expected soon. We need to identify the release we will have in hand for the codesprint. > - Update instructions for I-D Submission tool -- Robert I think Henrik was addressing this? (It may have been part of the recent bugfix release). > - Liaison Tool improvements -- Robert Released Saturday - deployed today. > - Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests -- Robert > - Interim Meeting Management -- Robert > - Review Tracking -- Robert > - Author Statistics -- Russ > > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert Nothing new to discuss. > - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg > > 3. RFC Services Projects > - RFC Editor Website Makeover -- Alice and Heather > - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather > - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert > > 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools > - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org Requires datatracker work, slated for after we work on integrating YANG checkers. > > 5. Server Infrastructure > - File sync from Sunnyvale to Orlando -- Henrik > - IMAP access to the email archives -- Robert The production instance is deployed. We need to build a documentation page for it (similar to the testing page). We may need to tweak the MySQL timeout settings, or cron a periodic restart until we get traffic onto it - otherwise, logins stop working when the connection times out. > > 6. IDIQ Contractors > - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray > > 7. Parking Lot > - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS > - RFC Editor automatic stats and reporting RFP -- Heather This should come out of the parking lot. > - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert > - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? > - Can the test process for the NomCom Tool be more comprehensive? > - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik > - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert > - Add the YANG checker to the I-D Submission Tool > - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub > > 8. AOB I have an outstanding task that is not moving that I want to report on. We need to refactor the meeting materials. We decided not to burden the Interim Meeting Management project with changes to the materials pages because we're expecting this refactor. This would also be where we address the request from the IESG to capture meeting summaries, and slides (or other artifacts) that should be attached to a meeting even if they weren't presented (see the discussion in http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/1773) We have a start towards the necessary refactor that we released to support the EDU team. Unfortunately, it's not been obvious when upload things using the new forms there, and when to keep using the old meeting materials page. Some of both has been happening, resulting in a small mess that will take a data migration to straighten out. I had hoped to do that before Yokohama, but that's not how it looks like it will turn out. I will work with Mirja to get the team through Yokohama with as little impedance as possible, while keeping the eventual fix migration feasible. I have a start at some more major work which I showed folks at the Prague codesprint, but have not kept it up to date with trunk, and it has not gotten any real cycles since Prague. I think this should be a high priority task after Yokohama. How do we prioritize it against, say, the YANG work? It will require attention from the Secretariat (mostly Ryan I think), and me and Henrik. > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Mon Oct 12 14:55:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2D6D1A1BAF for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:55:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hUja_woKVN7V for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D520E1A1B53 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 14:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t9CLtGTC015708 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:55:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-71-170-237-80.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [71.170.237.80] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: IETF Tools Development From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <561C2C3F.2050100@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:55:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Instructions for configuring clients to use the production IMAP instance X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 21:55:19 -0000 Let me know if you see anything that needs to change at RjS From nobody Tue Oct 13 10:55:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB1F1A020A for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:55:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3X--rot0YXCq for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CD341A0264 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:55:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6ED1E59F0 for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:54:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GDv4_0rSHCBR for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:54:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [98.125.214.91]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 692771E59EE for ; Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:54:37 -0700 (PDT) To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <43A5C436-707E-4D7A-B792-FFB033BCD4B7@vigilsec.com> <761D8062-AFBB-4F7F-A167-5C7C23F98ADF@vigilsec.com> From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" X-Enigmail-Draft-Status: N1110 Message-ID: <561D457B.80700@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 10:55:07 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <761D8062-AFBB-4F7F-A167-5C7C23F98ADF@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Notes -- 13 October 2015 at 13:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2015 17:55:07 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan - Update instructions for I-D Submission tool -- Robert - Liaison Tool improvements -- Robert - Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests -- Robert - Interim Meeting Management -- Robert - Review Tracking -- Robert - Author Statistics -- Russ * Liaison tool is deployed, no major issues. Can be removed from future agenda. * Update to the datatracker later today will include email changes, as discussed on list. * Expect 2-3 (or more) releases before we get to the Codesprint. * Instructions for I-D submission were added in the very latest release; can remove from future agenda. * Tracking I-D manual post requests; Robert has incorporated the comments received from the Secretariat. Benson to review sometime in the next 24 hours, and unless he has comments, this and the Interim Meeting Management SOW are ready to send to the IAOC and ask that they start the community feedback process. * Review Tracking SOW: This is a wrapper around the RFC that has already been through community review. OK for the IAOC to move this forward as we= ll. * Author stats: community review is complete, waiting for write up. Russ to nudge Jari. 2. Community & Other Projects - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg * Nothing new to report on infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts. * IETF website makeover: project is on track in terms of time. We have decided to push the rollover to after IETF 94. Alexa is working with Torchbox to schedule the training around the new CMS for the Secretariat. Note that there have been URLs changed, and some have been given redirects, but some have not. Content team has made that evaluation= =2E 3. RFC Services Projects - RFC Editor Website Makeover -- Alice and Heather - Stats and Metrics - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert * Website makeover went well. Collecting feedback on the RSE wiki. Will be meeting this afternoon with Sandy and Alice to discuss and prioritize any changes as a result of that feedback. There are 65 scripts (PHP) are now in one place (underlying reorg). The static pages, about 42, were all migrated from hand-edited HTML files. * Stats and Metrics: any objection to asking the IAOC that the SOW, which has gone through community review last year, be moved into the RFP process? No objections * RSE Design team - Format work: the bundle of drafts have been completed and sent to the RSOC this morning to start their review process. They have a reading order and description; you can see that on the design team wiki along with a pointer to the SOWs (https://www.rfc-editor.org/rse/wiki/doku.php?id=3Ddesign:start) * RFC Format-related SOWs: review the SOWs as part of the drafts * Codesprint: Heather and Robert working together to identify an RFC Editor-requested project that can be handled through the codesprint. =20 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org * This hasn't moved much since last call. All work currently on Henrik's plate; he has to write the glue code. It is behind integrating the YANG checkers. 5. Server Infrastructure - File sync from Sunnyvale to Orlando -- Henrik - IMAP access to the email archives -- Robert * New version of ghostlinkd; it is able to do the rsyncs every time a doc lands in the watched directory. Henrik has configured this for new drafts; may want to do this for other docs as well (e.g., new charters, assignment). Tool is ready, policy decisions regarding what else should be synced need to happen. Glen to look at the non-rsynced directories and which of those things are on the "normal" run and will send to Russ and Henrik. Go ahead and keep the existing rsyncs going for now. * IMAP: production server is deployed since end of last week. Link send to Tools Dev with instructions. Would like to introduce a few users, but haven't found the correct volunteers. Hoping to announce this between now and Yokohama (mid-next week?). Side issue, need to change the timeout between the MySQL and Django. Glen to review and set timeout to a week. 6. IDIQ Contractors - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray * No update. 7. Parking Lot - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS - RFC Editor automatic stats and reporting RFP -- Heather **moved out of parking lot** - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? - Can the test process for the NomCom Tool be more comprehensive? - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert - Add the YANG checker to the I-D Submission Tool - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub 8. AOB * xml2rfc - please release code with bug fixes * "We need to refactor the meeting materials" (See Robert's email on 12 October 2015) Where should this be prioritized? Should this go to an IDIQ contractor (that would require an SOW). Next step: Robert to write out the requirements and what needs to happen; try to have the first draft by Yokohama. =20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJWHUV7AAoJEER/xjINbZoG4DIH+gOXi9gspnS02RVK3h5wRGOT iG7X0vjwNWMDebWdNG7v6F73+ci8SbhHR03vfrJnrt6Q0Ag1SbD5o9pMtiTjRcbI XwnQxyG7kg7hK4jlOsSo7NIgQxi3h4ny5s5vgMPm/E4ovqQCJl+eCkyVvYFOoaWQ akmInjz6dStdKIvqyA9ROHbPSAnlv+ILpoMV4UlPh1u74bpZ9u0HzMwbO3q1W+/j BVuAdODM63Iv6KkKYwG1UHA6oDax2eWaKsW17Y7w5hz7LKE6ZN7JNq8VQW6SW/2N 4BuTgFjoyPiqQKRCqKbamBUqTXHMIH5Zk7W0yvIKYpeU/8XUoVqxOatZ8EsdFrg=3D =3D/a6i -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nobody Tue Oct 20 06:07:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3311A8949 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 06:07:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9DVlTDQS91nf for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 06:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DCE1A0469 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 06:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E04A49A4051 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:06:07 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HFdLpkjYljod for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.196.207.51] (196-194.icannmeeting.org [199.91.194.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E199A4029 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:05:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:05:34 -0400 References: To: IETF Tools Development Message-Id: <251ADADA-03DE-43E3-8AB4-C47812EA3D3D@vigilsec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Call for Review: (Tracking Manual I-D Post Requests) X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 13:07:41 -0000 > From: IETF Chair > Date: October 20, 2015 8:03:47 AM EDT > To: IETF Announcement List > Cc: IETF , Russ Housley > Subject: Call for Review: = (Tracking Manual I-D = Post Requests) > Reply-To: IETF , Russ Housley >=20 > This is a request for a review of a Statement of Work from the IAOC > Tools Committee. Please take a look at the document and provide the > committee feedback. >=20 > Jari Arkko >=20 > ---- >=20 > The IAOC Tools Committee has developed a Statement of Work (SoW) for > an enhancement to the IETF Datatracker to assist in requests for > manual Internet-Draft posting. We are asking for review by the > IETF community before seeking a vendor to write the software to > implement the new Datatracker features described in the document. >=20 > The transparency of the I-D submission process needs to be improved, > particularly for those submissions that are handled directly by the > IETF Secretariat. These are referred to as "manual" and "forced" > I-D submissions. >=20 > When an author uses the IETF Datatracker I-D submission tool, some > information is captures about the event, including when the I-D was > submitted, when it was approved, and who made the submission. > Currently, the document history shows only that a new version is > available. >=20 > The I-D submission tool presents an option for authors to request the > IETF Secretariat finish the submission process. When this option is > exercised, the Datatracker captures the candidate document and then > sends email to the Secretariat. Often the request is made because the > I-D submission tool was unable to extract correct meta-data from the > document. In this case, the Secretariat populates the meta-data, and > then forces the post. Currently, normal submission event information > is not collected when the Secretariat forces the post; this effort > will allow it to be collected. >=20 > The Secretariat also receives email requests to post an I-D, bypassing > the I-D submission tool altogether. Currently, the Secretariat = receives > about 10 such requests each meeting cycle. When this happens, the > Secretariat operates the I-D submission tool on behalf of the author, > and as a result, the submission event information does not reflect = that > a manual I-D submission request was processed ob behalf of the author. > This effort will allow accurate submission event information to be > collected for manual I-D submission. >=20 > The Secretariat currently relies on a combination of RT and personal > email archives to keep track of the outstanding manual I-D submission > requests. This effort will provide proper workflow tracking of these > requests. >=20 > The file can be obtained via > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sparks-genarea-manualpost-tracking-= 00.txt/ >=20 > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. >=20 > The IAOC plans to solicit bids for the development of these new = features > in the next few weeks, and solicits comments on this SoW. Please send > comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by November 10, 2015. > Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iaoc@ietf.org instead. In = either > case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow = automated > sorting. >=20 > Thank you, > Russ Housley > Chair of the IAOC Tools Committee From nobody Tue Oct 20 06:11:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 507AF1A0AC8 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 06:11:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dBxr65-vsgu3 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 06:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3281B1A0469 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 06:11:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF1029A4049 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:11:10 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ej6afOMSClv6 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.196.207.51] (196-194.icannmeeting.org [199.91.194.196]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AABC9A4019 for ; Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:10:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 09:10:26 -0400 References: To: IETF Tools Development Message-Id: <0A85B717-933E-41F7-BEF9-C5AB788DE9FB@vigilsec.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Call for Review: (Interim Meeting Management) X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2015 13:11:25 -0000 > From: IETF Chair > Date: October 20, 2015 8:04:37 AM EDT > To: IETF Announcement List > Cc: IETF , Russ Housley > Subject: Call for Review: = (Interim Meeting = Management) > Reply-To: IETF , Russ Housley >=20 > This is a request for a review of a Statement of Work from the IAOC > Tools Committee. Please take a look at the document and provide the > committee feedback. >=20 > Jari Arkko >=20 > =97=97 >=20 > The IAOC Tools Committee has developed a Statement of Work (SoW) for > an enhancement to the IETF Datatracker to assist in managing interim > meetings and virtual interim meetings. We are asking for review by = the > IETF community before seeking a vendor to write the software to > implement the new Datatracker features described in the document. >=20 > Much of the effort in scheduling interim meetings and virtual interim > meetings is performed manually by the IETF Secretariat. With the > increase in the number of virtual interims, remaining consistent is > becoming difficult. The Secretariat frequently has to spend time > correcting errors in requests, usually as a result of incorrect or > missing information. Better automated tools could greatly increase > the consistency of information provided in the requests and greatly > improve consistency in the processing of those requests. >=20 > Managing announcements and maintaining a list of upcoming interim > meetings are largely manual efforts. There is currently no calendar > for subscriptions to upcoming interim meetings and virtual interim > meetings; this effort will provide one. >=20 > Management of interim meeting materials (agendas, slides, and minutes) > is decoupled from the management of the meeting itself, leading to the > situation where chairs can create interim meeting objects in the > Datatracker, inadvertently bypassing the current steps designed to > ensure approval, when needed, and proper announcement. This effort > will provide better meeting management for the Secretariat, Area > Directors, and Working Group Chairs. >=20 > The file can be obtained via > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sparks-genarea-interim-management-0= 0.txt/ >=20 > No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. >=20 > The IAOC plans to solicit bids for the development of these new = features > in the next few weeks, and solicits comments on this SoW. Please send > comments to the ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by November 10, 2015. > Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iaoc@ietf.org instead. In = either > case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow = automated > sorting. >=20 > Thank you, > Russ Housley > Chair of the IAOC Tools Committee >=20 From nobody Wed Oct 21 02:30:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B62B01A03E1 for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 02:30:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y4arJ8yzGnFw for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 02:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 520861A040C for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 02:30:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A6339A403B for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 05:30:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xMvyYiZavbHL for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 05:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.196.207.51] (153-194.icannmeeting.org [199.91.194.153]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5C179A402E for ; Wed, 21 Oct 2015 05:29:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 05:29:38 -0400 Message-Id: <02653933-8DFC-40C0-8BB7-B65EA8F46473@vigilsec.com> To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Cloudflare and DNSSEC X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:30:23 -0000 https://blog.cloudflare.com/dnssec-is-open-for-beta/ The capability that we have been using is being rolled out for all of = the Cloudflare customers. Russ From nobody Thu Oct 22 05:34:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EAC1B3671 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:34:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.067 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.067 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_42=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XywCjlyNOCJs for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 0FD3D1B366E for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 05:34:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9596 invoked by uid 0); 22 Oct 2015 12:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 22 Oct 2015 12:34:21 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id YJaH1r0032SSUrH01JaLBS; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:34:20 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Zs1+dbLG c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=5lJygRwiOn0A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=fWD_b17KTKnYUSesttAA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:References:To:Subject:From; bh=e8OiSKZkvC9pjzCVedTJptXq2P6oiioD5Uq+GoNvzVY=; b=dHpLQJJMQ+1R0SrVQg0jGekxYdtn4bUU607NjTIJtP5RgFQYQRyi4YgS/xym+0KlzZInds80PU/1GfECvfhTCZgapVaGllX8j/mDQ6TYkzzrYQuMe5aa4eJgWPaSAPKn; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:47555 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpF4U-0001r0-J5 for tools-development@ietf.org; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:34:18 -0600 From: Lou Berger To: IETF Tools Development References: <55CA09A7.1030801@nostrum.com> <55DF7527.1020201@nostrum.com> <5628284D.3040808@gmail.com> <56284812.2000307@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5628D7C6.1090401@labn.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 08:34:14 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Google threatens to break Gmail X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 12:34:27 -0000 Hello, Does anyone know if Andy's statement correct? Are there any plans for this upgrade? Thanks, Lou PS this is not a thread I'm really paying too much attention to... --- Forwarded message --- *From: * Andrew G. Malis *Date: * October 22, 2015 6:05:59 AM *Subject: * Re: Google threatens to break Gmail *To: * Brian E Carpenter *CC: * IETF Discussion Mailing List There is an easy answer to this, that we discussed on this list over a year ago - just bring mailman up to a more recent revision. It can handle DMARC re-writing just fine. Cheers, Andy On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brian E Carpenter > wrote: On 22/10/2015 14:59, Ross Finlayson wrote: >> Will the problem with Mailman distribution of DMARC-contaminated messages >> be fixed in time for this,or must we gmail users start to look for a >> more reasonable provider? > > Or perhaps people who subscribe to IETF mailing lists can start doing so using more professional-looking email addresses :-) Um, why? We don't represent our employers here, and many people change jobs or even countries but prefer their IETF email to continue uninterrupted. I started using gmail precisely to avoid the problems and stupidities of corporate email, and of access across travel and relocation, and I know I'm not alone. > (Note that it’s possible, I think, to continue to use 3rd-party email services like ‘Gmail’ with email addresses that use your own domain name rather than “@gmail.com " (and, as a beneficial side effect, you won’t be subject to DMARC).) Only, I think, if your corporate provider has made a suitable deal with G. Brian From nobody Thu Oct 22 06:40:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E73BB1A8AD2 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:40:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_42=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ndPeKD2JqrXx for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F85D1A8AB7 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:40:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 883B29A4020; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:39:54 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c8awOCDYoIwl; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.196.207.51] (82-194.icannmeeting.org [199.91.194.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BF019A4019; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <5628D7C6.1090401@labn.net> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 09:39:21 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <624168FF-40DA-43B3-A129-F91FD3C4304D@vigilsec.com> References: <55CA09A7.1030801@nostrum.com> <55DF7527.1020201@nostrum.com> <5628284D.3040808@gmail.com> <56284812.2000307@gmail.com> <5628D7C6.1090401@labn.net> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Google threatens to break Gmail X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:40:07 -0000 My understanding is that we are using Mailman 2.1.15. Mailman 2.1.20 = and 3.0.0 are available. We have not asked the Secretariat to reviewed = every change, but I am told that they are comfortable that Mailman = 2.1.20 is fine. We have not looked at Mailman 3.0.0 at all. The version of Mailman beyond 2.1.15 have no capacity for sending out = password reminders; it was removed. Brian Carpenter has very loudly = argued for this capability to be retained. Russ On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > Hello, >=20 > Does anyone know if Andy's statement correct? Are there any plans for > this upgrade? >=20 > Thanks, > Lou > PS this is not a thread I'm really paying too much attention to... >=20 > --- Forwarded message --- > *From: * Andrew G. Malis > *Date: * October 22, 2015 6:05:59 AM > *Subject: * Re: Google threatens to break Gmail > *To: * Brian E Carpenter > *CC: * IETF Discussion Mailing List >=20 >=20 > There is an easy answer to this, that we discussed on this list over a > year ago - just bring mailman up to a more recent revision. It can > handle DMARC re-writing just fine. >=20 > Cheers, > Andy >=20 >=20 > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brian E Carpenter > > = wrote: >=20 > On 22/10/2015 14:59, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>> Will the problem with Mailman distribution of DMARC-contaminated > messages >>> be fixed in time for this,or must we gmail users start to look for a >>> more reasonable provider? >>=20 >> Or perhaps people who subscribe to IETF mailing lists can start > doing so using more professional-looking email addresses :-) >=20 > Um, why? We don't represent our employers here, and many people = change > jobs or even countries but prefer their IETF email to continue > uninterrupted. > I started using gmail precisely to avoid the problems and > stupidities of corporate > email, and of access across travel and relocation, and I know I'm > not alone. >=20 >> (Note that it=92s possible, I think, to continue to use 3rd-party > email services like =91Gmail=92 with email addresses that use your = own > domain name rather than =93@gmail.com " (and, as = a > beneficial side effect, you won=92t be subject to DMARC).) >=20 > Only, I think, if your corporate provider has made a suitable deal > with G. >=20 > Brian >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Oct 22 06:46:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC691A9060 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:46:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.3 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.3 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, J_CHICKENPOX_42=0.6, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zkaBNQ8PorwX for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 999861A904E for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:46:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tannat.netnod.se ([77.72.226.96]:64493) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1ZpGC1-0001Ua-MM; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:46:11 -0700 To: Russ Housley , Lou Berger References: <55CA09A7.1030801@nostrum.com> <55DF7527.1020201@nostrum.com> <5628284D.3040808@gmail.com> <56284812.2000307@gmail.com> <5628D7C6.1090401@labn.net> <624168FF-40DA-43B3-A129-F91FD3C4304D@vigilsec.com> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <5628E89E.9090609@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:46:06 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <624168FF-40DA-43B3-A129-F91FD3C4304D@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="C5cGv79nmTPv52qsQmONVpQVn33FAjNv4" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 77.72.226.96 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: henrik-sent@levkowetz.com, tools-development@ietf.org, lberger@labn.net, housley@vigilsec.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Google threatens to break Gmail X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:46:15 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --C5cGv79nmTPv52qsQmONVpQVn33FAjNv4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2015-10-22 15:39, Russ Housley wrote: > My understanding is that we are using Mailman 2.1.15. Mailman 2.1.20 > and 3.0.0 are available. We have not asked the Secretariat to > reviewed every change, but I am told that they are comfortable that > Mailman 2.1.20 is fine. We have not looked at Mailman 3.0.0 at all. >=20 > The version of Mailman beyond 2.1.15 have no capacity for sending out > password reminders; it was removed. Brian Carpenter has very loudly > argued for this capability to be retained. It looks as if 2.1.18 or later in the 2.x.x series may improve things: http://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC Regards, Henrik >=20 > Russ >=20 > On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >> Hello, >> >> Does anyone know if Andy's statement correct? Are there any plans for= >> this upgrade? >> >> Thanks, >> Lou >> PS this is not a thread I'm really paying too much attention to... >> >> --- Forwarded message --- >> *From: * Andrew G. Malis >> *Date: * October 22, 2015 6:05:59 AM >> *Subject: * Re: Google threatens to break Gmail >> *To: * Brian E Carpenter >> *CC: * IETF Discussion Mailing List >> >> >> There is an easy answer to this, that we discussed on this list over a= >> year ago - just bring mailman up to a more recent revision. It can >> handle DMARC re-writing just fine. >> >> Cheers, >> Andy >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brian E Carpenter >> > wro= te: >> >> On 22/10/2015 14:59, Ross Finlayson wrote: >>>> Will the problem with Mailman distribution of DMARC-contaminated >> messages >>>> be fixed in time for this,or must we gmail users start to look for a= >>>> more reasonable provider? >>> >>> Or perhaps people who subscribe to IETF mailing lists can start >> doing so using more professional-looking email addresses :-) >> >> Um, why? We don't represent our employers here, and many people cha= nge >> jobs or even countries but prefer their IETF email to continue >> uninterrupted. >> I started using gmail precisely to avoid the problems and >> stupidities of corporate >> email, and of access across travel and relocation, and I know I'm >> not alone. >> >>> (Note that it=E2=80=99s possible, I think, to continue to use 3rd-par= ty >> email services like =E2=80=98Gmail=E2=80=99 with email addresses th= at use your own >> domain name rather than =E2=80=9C@gmail.com " (an= d, as a >> beneficial side effect, you won=E2=80=99t be subject to DMARC).) >> >> Only, I think, if your corporate provider has made a suitable deal >> with G. >> >> Brian >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 --C5cGv79nmTPv52qsQmONVpQVn33FAjNv4 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWKOieAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcaEG0P/ipORztbtosz7BZ4/euWomFA iK/IDmiv2WqYsrwLVQ3tVIYXL3V0JEm7IM0qNq0F0GESm2P03ty5by1ar0QGd2uY HnLIF/NoiB7UBF1DMs2z0KN0KXueahUVnfFVBhqB1B52qyO6HDWe5kEzQiFsU/AL ZVrHsoRhuZkXgs6Cvz9tr7YUyk3cIavUbwoGagM+x/f38uFX0nL1h826GvlajCtJ H6Rk2sALUSaGY5HM8aSQC72XhUkBLzO5skYrf4f1ziLnPYyzgEDyBHGmjNrHLqph vS4WSRGgcXFX68J8pu6ZeTdHKsK/Fb8g+HRVHN73teRwsww1DPHWgPXxLVsIprNt PZJ3uHiRpDc+5ejSNaQM6opmE5EHYAPCbKCngWQdZar6asdqcLcm6NMBtDPvyE/i OflaKEOJg9lNqSh9IskRyvaAON+uf+P8OdqfERYcVi0EkUOGAhMH0FwhUKBMZuuA pzmka1+g67tTRIQqRJJSiDfPdNudX3+zor6M1vfRKHVpRsJHoFTG2HWh3TDP4vDP 5UTtLP2RNCE/Pz3CLmd8ASbRw9QXvGfnrljsIRGoceFlWsSsUJLjptkkpXZoiHmz 9EFKj6HE+yn8w3MgKfQ9m8YiHpoVadjs/k9leeu0sT1tj21ehhxXmS30R9wn5yRz Y/0Zf1NVZrNFflIEJ2Nw =qfSh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --C5cGv79nmTPv52qsQmONVpQVn33FAjNv4-- From nobody Thu Oct 22 06:56:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CEAC1AC3E1 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:56:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.688 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.688 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_42=0.6, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qtcQm31Nck_k for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DCDE1AC3DE for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 081A51E59E4 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-f53.google.com (mail-oi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CD6661E59F6 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:55:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oiao187 with SMTP id o187so47745266oia.3 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:56:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.202.67.194 with SMTP id q185mr9299791oia.106.1445522168327; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:56:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.176.197 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:55:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5628E89E.9090609@levkowetz.com> References: <55CA09A7.1030801@nostrum.com> <55DF7527.1020201@nostrum.com> <5628284D.3040808@gmail.com> <56284812.2000307@gmail.com> <5628D7C6.1090401@labn.net> <624168FF-40DA-43B3-A129-F91FD3C4304D@vigilsec.com> <5628E89E.9090609@levkowetz.com> From: Glen Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 06:55:49 -0700 Message-ID: To: Henrik Levkowetz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113cd06a5bd88d0522b1db28 Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Google threatens to break Gmail X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: glen@amsl.com List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 13:56:11 -0000 --001a113cd06a5bd88d0522b1db28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, it seems that development of the 2.1 branch continued. Previously the talk had been halting at 2.1.15 and going straight to 3.0.0. (There wasn't previously much movement on or support for Mailman; pleasantly, that appears to have changed.) The latest version is 2.1.20, and the .19 and .20 releases contain bugfixes, so I would think that, if we are going to do an in-place upgrade of Mailman, we should just go directly to .20 Since Google doesn't plan to do this until next year, there is also the possibility that we can do the Mailman upgrade as a part of a larger server/OS upgrade. Timing and direction of this are still TBD. Glen On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > > > On 2015-10-22 15:39, Russ Housley wrote: > > My understanding is that we are using Mailman 2.1.15. Mailman 2.1.20 > > and 3.0.0 are available. We have not asked the Secretariat to > > reviewed every change, but I am told that they are comfortable that > > Mailman 2.1.20 is fine. We have not looked at Mailman 3.0.0 at all. > > > > The version of Mailman beyond 2.1.15 have no capacity for sending out > > password reminders; it was removed. Brian Carpenter has very loudly > > argued for this capability to be retained. > > It looks as if 2.1.18 or later in the 2.x.x series may improve things: > > http://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC > > Regards, > > Henrik > > > > > > > Russ > > > > On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > > > >> Hello, > >> > >> Does anyone know if Andy's statement correct? Are there any plans for > >> this upgrade? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Lou > >> PS this is not a thread I'm really paying too much attention to... > >> > >> --- Forwarded message --- > >> *From: * Andrew G. Malis > >> *Date: * October 22, 2015 6:05:59 AM > >> *Subject: * Re: Google threatens to break Gmail > >> *To: * Brian E Carpenter > >> *CC: * IETF Discussion Mailing List > >> > >> > >> There is an easy answer to this, that we discussed on this list over a > >> year ago - just bring mailman up to a more recent revision. It can > >> handle DMARC re-writing just fine. > >> > >> Cheers, > >> Andy > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brian E Carpenter > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> On 22/10/2015 14:59, Ross Finlayson wrote: > >>>> Will the problem with Mailman distribution of DMARC-contaminated > >> messages > >>>> be fixed in time for this,or must we gmail users start to look for a > >>>> more reasonable provider? > >>> > >>> Or perhaps people who subscribe to IETF mailing lists can start > >> doing so using more professional-looking email addresses :-) > >> > >> Um, why? We don't represent our employers here, and many people > change > >> jobs or even countries but prefer their IETF email to continue > >> uninterrupted. > >> I started using gmail precisely to avoid the problems and > >> stupidities of corporate > >> email, and of access across travel and relocation, and I know I'm > >> not alone. > >> > >>> (Note that it=E2=80=99s possible, I think, to continue to use 3rd-par= ty > >> email services like =E2=80=98Gmail=E2=80=99 with email addresses th= at use your own > >> domain name rather than =E2=80=9C@gmail.com " (an= d, as a > >> beneficial side effect, you won=E2=80=99t be subject to DMARC).) > >> > >> Only, I think, if your corporate provider has made a suitable deal > >> with G. > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > > > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > --001a113cd06a5bd88d0522b1db28 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Yes, it seems that development of the 2.1 branch continued= .=C2=A0 Previously the talk had been halting at 2.1.15 and going straight t= o 3.0.0.=C2=A0 (There wasn't previously much movement on or support for= Mailman; pleasantly, that appears to have changed.)

The l= atest version is 2.1.20, and the .19 and .20 releases contain bugfixes, so = I would think that, if we are going to do an in-place upgrade of Mailman, w= e should just go directly to .20

Since Google doesn't= plan to do this until next year, there is also the possibility that we can= do the Mailman upgrade as a part of a larger server/OS upgrade.=C2=A0 Timi= ng and direction of this are still TBD.

Glen



On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 6:46 AM, Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@le= vkowetz.com> wrote:


On 2015-10-22 15:39, Russ Housley wrote:
> My understanding is that we are using Mailman 2.1.15. Mailman 2.1.20 > and 3.0.0 are available. We have not asked the Secretariat to
> reviewed every change, but I am told that they are comfortable that > Mailman 2.1.20 is fine. We have not looked at Mailman 3.0.0 at all. >
> The version of Mailman beyond 2.1.15 have no capacity for sending out<= br> > password reminders; it was removed. Brian Carpenter has very loudly > argued for this capability to be retained.

It looks as if 2.1.18 or later in the 2.x.x series may improve things:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 http://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC

Regards,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Henrik



>
> Russ
>
> On Oct 22, 2015, at 8:34 AM, Lou Berger wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Does anyone know if Andy's statement correct?=C2=A0 Are there = any plans for
>> this upgrade?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Lou
>> PS this=C2=A0 is not a thread I'm really paying too much atten= tion to...
>>
>> --- Forwarded message ---
>> *From: *=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com>
>> *Date: *=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0October 22, 2015 6:05:59 AM
>> *Subject: *=C2=A0 Re: Google threatens to break Gmail
>> *To: *=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Brian E Carpenter <brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>
>> *CC: *=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IETF Discussion Mailing List <= ietf@ietf.org>
>>
>>
>> There is an easy answer to this, that we discussed on this list ov= er a
>> year ago - just bring mailman up to a more recent revision. It can=
>> handle DMARC re-writing just fine.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andy
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:21 PM, Brian E Carpenter
>> <brian.e.carpent= er@gmail.com <mailto:= brian.e.carpenter@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 On 22/10/2015 14:59, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>>>> Will the problem with Mailman distribution of DMARC-contam= inated
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 messages
>>>> be fixed in time for this,or must we gmail users start to = look for a
>>>> more reasonable provider?
>>>
>>> Or perhaps people who subscribe to IETF mailing lists can star= t
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 doing so using more professional-looking email addres= ses :-)
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Um, why? We don't represent our employers here, a= nd many people change
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 jobs or even countries but prefer their IETF email to= continue
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 uninterrupted.
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I started using gmail precisely to avoid the problems= and
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 stupidities of corporate
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 email, and of access across travel and relocation, an= d I know I'm
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 not alone.
>>
>>> (Note that it=E2=80=99s possible, I think, to continue to use = 3rd-party
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 email services like =E2=80=98Gmail=E2=80=99 with emai= l addresses that use your own
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 domain name rather than =E2=80=9C@gmail.com <http://gmail.com>" (and, as a
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 beneficial side effect, you won=E2=80=99t be subject = to DMARC).)
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Only, I think, if your corporate provider has made a = suitable deal
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 with G.
>>
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list
>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ie= tf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinf= o/tools-development
>
> _______________________________________________
> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list
> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.o= rg
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/to= ols-development
>


_______________________________________________
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--001a113cd06a5bd88d0522b1db28-- From nobody Fri Oct 30 16:38:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 681801A049A; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.389 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.389 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nW1d5dOcZ-Ch; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B91E1A03C7; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75EA1E5A28; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B09671E5A2B; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:37:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by obbza9 with SMTP id za9so56238747obb.1; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.60.157.131 with SMTP id wm3mr7438467oeb.26.1446248297422; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:38:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.60.87 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:37:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Glen Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:37:58 -0700 Message-ID: To: IESG , IAOC IAOC , wgchairs@ietf.org, IAB IAB Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bd6beda06672205235aec83 Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Mailman moderation message issue X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: glen@amsl.com List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 23:38:19 -0000 --047d7bd6beda06672205235aec83 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear IETF Leadership: A problem has been discovered wherein Mailman list moderation alert messages were not being sent to mailing list owners. This was being caused by list owner aliases not being recognized by the mail transport system. We have regenerated the mail transport configuration and rebuilt the alias tables, and the issue has been resolved.. In the meantime, any of you who run mailing lists should check your list moderation queues, when you have time, to ensure that any old messages are processed or cleared. We apologize for the inconvenience here. Glen Glen Barney IT Director AMS (IETF Secretariat) --047d7bd6beda06672205235aec83 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear IETF Leadersh= ip:

A problem has been discovered wherein Mailman list moderat= ion alert messages were not being sent to mailing list owners.=C2=A0 This w= as being caused by list owner aliases not being recognized by the mail tran= sport system.

We have regenerated the mail transport configura= tion and rebuilt the alias tables, and the issue has been resolved..
In the meantime, any of you who run mailing lists should check your = list moderation queues, when you have time, to ensure that any old messages= are processed or cleared.

We apologize for the inconvenience = here.

Glen
Glen Barney
IT Director
= AMS (IETF Secretariat)


<= br>
--047d7bd6beda06672205235aec83-- From nobody Sat Oct 31 18:31:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118D71B4C9A; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:31:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 42gbV8zx9zNu; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:31:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB7371B4C99; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:31:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B291E59F2; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com (mail-oi0-f50.google.com [209.85.218.50]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1FC321E59F6; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oiao187 with SMTP id o187so78637647oia.3; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:31:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.202.108.139 with SMTP id h133mr9853911oic.53.1446341488172; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:31:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.60.87 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:31:08 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20151101003318.GE9839@mx2.yitter.info> References: <20151101003318.GE9839@mx2.yitter.info> From: Glen Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:31:08 -0700 Message-ID: To: Andrew Sullivan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1142ef90a066720523709e8d Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development , IAOC IAOC , IAB IAB , IESG , wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [IAB] Mailman moderation message issue X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: glen@amsl.com List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 01:31:30 -0000 --001a1142ef90a066720523709e8d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I'll follow up with Andrew directly now, and if there's anything else to report, we will send an update to this group. Glen On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Andrew Sullivan wrote: > I'm still hearing reports from moderators that iab@iab.org messages > aren't happening. Could there be an additional thing for iab.org? > > A > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 04:37:58PM -0700, Glen wrote: > > Dear IETF Leadership: > > > > A problem has been discovered wherein Mailman list moderation alert > > messages were not being sent to mailing list owners. This was being > caused > > by list owner aliases not being recognized by the mail transport system. > > > > We have regenerated the mail transport configuration and rebuilt the > alias > > tables, and the issue has been resolved.. > > > > In the meantime, any of you who run mailing lists should check your list > > moderation queues, when you have time, to ensure that any old messages > are > > processed or cleared. > > > > We apologize for the inconvenience here. > > > > Glen > > Glen Barney > > IT Director > > AMS (IETF Secretariat) > > -- > Andrew Sullivan > ajs@anvilwalrusden.com > > --001a1142ef90a066720523709e8d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'll follow up with Andrew directly now, and if t= here's anything else to report, we will send an update to this group.
Glen


On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs@an= vilwalrusden.com> wrote:
I&= #39;m still hearing reports from moderators that iab@iab.org messages
aren't happening.=C2=A0 Could there be an additional thing for iab.org?

A

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 04:37:58PM -0700, Glen wrote:
> Dear IETF Leadership:
>
> A problem has been discovered wherein Mailman list moderation alert > messages were not being sent to mailing list owners.=C2=A0 This was be= ing caused
> by list owner aliases not being recognized by the mail transport syste= m.
>
> We have regenerated the mail transport configuration and rebuilt the a= lias
> tables, and the issue has been resolved..
>
> In the meantime, any of you who run mailing lists should check your li= st
> moderation queues, when you have time, to ensure that any old messages= are
> processed or cleared.
>
> We apologize for the inconvenience here.
>
> Glen
> Glen Barney
> IT Director
> AMS (IETF Secretariat)

--
Andrew Sullivan
ajs@anvilwalrusden.com


--001a1142ef90a066720523709e8d-- From nobody Sat Oct 31 18:58:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 489E71B4F52; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:57:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.288 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.288 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2WMudFeVhTXv; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FA831B4F4F; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56A601E59FA; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-f53.google.com (mail-oi0-f53.google.com [209.85.218.53]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 312BD1E59FB; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by oiao187 with SMTP id o187so78775575oia.3; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:57:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.202.189.65 with SMTP id n62mr2749214oif.87.1446343073465; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:57:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.202.60.87 with HTTP; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:57:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20151101003318.GE9839@mx2.yitter.info> From: Glen Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 18:57:34 -0700 Message-ID: To: Andrew Sullivan Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113d69fe1e0a60052370fd19 Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development , IAOC IAOC , IAB IAB , IESG , wgchairs@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [IAB] Mailman moderation message issue X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: glen@amsl.com List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 01:57:55 -0000 --001a113d69fe1e0a60052370fd19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Just so nobody worries... Andrew's problem turned out to be just Mary not receiving moderation messages - that was due to a test alias I had put in during debugging yesterday. I've cleared that up, and have checked the logs and confirmed that all other lists are receiving moderation messages normally now (as was the IAB list - just not Mary.) She's fixed now. Glen On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 6:31 PM, Glen wrote: > I'll follow up with Andrew directly now, and if there's anything else to > report, we will send an update to this group. > > Glen > > > On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Andrew Sullivan > wrote: > >> I'm still hearing reports from moderators that iab@iab.org messages >> aren't happening. Could there be an additional thing for iab.org? >> >> A >> >> On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 04:37:58PM -0700, Glen wrote: >> > Dear IETF Leadership: >> > >> > A problem has been discovered wherein Mailman list moderation alert >> > messages were not being sent to mailing list owners. This was being >> caused >> > by list owner aliases not being recognized by the mail transport system. >> > >> > We have regenerated the mail transport configuration and rebuilt the >> alias >> > tables, and the issue has been resolved.. >> > >> > In the meantime, any of you who run mailing lists should check your list >> > moderation queues, when you have time, to ensure that any old messages >> are >> > processed or cleared. >> > >> > We apologize for the inconvenience here. >> > >> > Glen >> > Glen Barney >> > IT Director >> > AMS (IETF Secretariat) >> >> -- >> Andrew Sullivan >> ajs@anvilwalrusden.com >> >> > --001a113d69fe1e0a60052370fd19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just so nobody worries...

Andrew= 9;s problem turned out to be just Mary not receiving moderation messages - = that was due to a test alias I had put in during debugging yesterday.=C2=A0= I've cleared that up, and have checked the logs and confirmed that all= other lists are receiving moderation messages normally now (as was the IAB= list - just not Mary.)=C2=A0 She's fixed now.

Glen

On Sat, Oct 31= , 2015 at 6:31 PM, Glen <glen@amsl.com> wrote:
I'll follow up with Andrew direc= tly now, and if there's anything else to report, we will send an update= to this group.

Glen

<= br>
On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 5:33 PM, Andrew Sulli= van <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> wrote:
I'm still hearing reports from moderators that iab@iab.org messages
aren't happening.=C2=A0 Could there be an additional thing for iab.org?

A

On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 04:37:58PM -0700, Glen wrote:
> Dear IETF Leadership:
>
> A problem has been discovered wherein Mailman list moderation alert > messages were not being sent to mailing list owners.=C2=A0 This was be= ing caused
> by list owner aliases not being recognized by the mail transport syste= m.
>
> We have regenerated the mail transport configuration and rebuilt the a= lias
> tables, and the issue has been resolved..
>
> In the meantime, any of you who run mailing lists should check your li= st
> moderation queues, when you have time, to ensure that any old messages= are
> processed or cleared.
>
> We apologize for the inconvenience here.
>
> Glen
> Glen Barney
> IT Director
> AMS (IETF Secretariat)<= br>
--
Andrew Sullivan
ajs@anvilwalrus= den.com



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