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[209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D4F1A1A66 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:38:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A4179A40B1 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:38:13 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o8txCJIg-bjv for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F3FB9A40B6 for ; Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:38:13 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:38:11 -0500 Message-Id: To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call on 12 January X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 21:38:15 -0000 The next tools call is scheduled for 12 January 2016 at 13:00 Eastern. = I cannot make the call at this time. I will prepare the agenda, but can = someone else lead the call? Russ From nobody Thu Jan 7 10:00:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31FBC1A9145 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 10:00:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.79 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kzsgmSog3Fhf for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 10:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6ACAE1A9147 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 10:00:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-96-226-213-187.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [96.226.213.187]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u07I02EL032488 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 12:00:03 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-96-226-213-187.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [96.226.213.187] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: IETF Tools Development From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <568EA7A3.2080202@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 12:00:03 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Meeting materials and proceedings: How to make progress X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 18:00:05 -0000 Tools development folks: For the last couple of calls, I've had an action to produce a SoW for improving meeting materials management and proceedings generation. I had a good set of meetings with the secretariat (primarily Ryan), and Henrik brainstorming what we should do. I've taken a few runs at putting together a project description and I am unhappy with what I've been ending up with - I don't think the results will be meaningful to anyone other than Ryan, Henrik, and myself. So I propose to take a more incremental approach, at least for the next few steps. There are some model and view changes that can happen as part of the normal maintenance activities that will greatly simplify talking about the larger improvements. I plan to start working on those immediately, making best use of our maintenance resources. There are some larger goal/design conversations to have (or revisit). I'll start those by email on this list. The first one (the meat of which I'll send in a separate message) is whether we want the datatracker, for future meetings, to produce a set of proceedings as a self-contained, exportable, set of files, or if we should expect that people would just use the datatracker to view proceedings for those meetings it has the information. (Don't reply here - wait for the longer description). Does anyone think we should approach this some different way? RjS From nobody Thu Jan 7 10:20:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57C131A9173 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 10:20:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BvSbrhQrEMd9 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 10:20:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652981A9218 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 10:20:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F8E9A40B5; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:20:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YorkJ7UBPPEp; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:19:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762399A401F; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:20:14 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <568EA7A3.2080202@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:20:13 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <568EA7A3.2080202@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Meeting materials and proceedings: How to make progress X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 18:20:16 -0000 Robert: > The first one (the meat of which I'll send in a separate message) is = whether we want the datatracker, for future meetings, to produce a set = of proceedings as a self-contained, exportable, set of files, or if we = should expect that people would just use the datatracker to view = proceedings for those meetings it has the information. (Don't reply here = - wait for the longer description). We used to make a CD image for each meeting. We stopped doing that = because we found that people were using the web instead. I think that = decision sets the direction here. Russ From nobody Thu Jan 7 10:32:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23231A92AD for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 10:32:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.011 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.011 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27uq-i58R9yP for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 10:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4196F1A92AB for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 10:32:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-96-226-213-187.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [96.226.213.187]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u07IWApE036106 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 12:32:10 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-96-226-213-187.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [96.226.213.187] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: IETF Tools Development From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <568EAF29.3080206@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 12:32:09 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Future proceedings: create a static set of files, or generate them when they're viewed? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 18:32:13 -0000 As I mentioned in my previous note to this list, there's a design decision that makes a pretty big difference on what the code we would maintain needs to look like. Do we want to generate the final proceedings for some future meeting as a self-contained, exportable, set of files (which could be moved to www.ietf.org for example), or do we want to make it so that you view those proceedings on the datatracker (building the views as needed)? We've had several people propose that we just start using the current meeting materials page _as_ the proceedings (adding any necessary detail that's missing). On production, we've already locked away that page for IETF94, so I've put a copy up here with an extended corrections cutoff date: https://dt-test.rjsparks.org/meeting/94/materials.html If we used that page as the proceedings, or something derived from it, or generated, on demand, pages that looked more like the proceedings we have now, it would mean allowing the proceedings for a given meeting to _change_ past the point they were declared "official". Some of that change we want (when we change the skin of the site, letting the skin of the proceedings change is a good thing). The _content_ of the proceedings wouldn't normally change. We would build the UI such that normal folks couldn't upload an updated set of slides past the cutoff point for example. But we would leave it such that the secretariat could, given a sufficiently exceptional reason and direction from the right body. I think that would be ok. It would result in a smaller number of moving parts, compared to exporting a set of pages to be served from somewhere else. If we wanted, we could also make a button that would export the pages so they could be put into a tarball for archival storage. Thoughts? RjS From nobody Thu Jan 7 15:02:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08B671A82E2 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:02:28 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o2aVWB4x6fcr for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D1BE1A1ADF for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 15:02:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D749A401F for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 18:02:27 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AyBMIhtvIvUA for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 18:01:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2EED9A4019 for ; Thu, 7 Jan 2016 18:02:26 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 18:02:25 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6EB3383D-375E-4294-950F-6AFC9332F14C@vigilsec.com> References: To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call on 12 January X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 23:02:28 -0000 Ray has agreed to act as facilitator for this call. Thanks! Russ On Jan 6, 2016, at 4:38 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > The next tools call is scheduled for 12 January 2016 at 13:00 Eastern. = I cannot make the call at this time. I will prepare the agenda, but = can someone else lead the call? >=20 > Russ From nobody Sat Jan 9 13:27:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C6131A9032 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2016 13:27:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xHl5eHt0RVll for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2016 13:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F82C1A9039 for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2016 13:27:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0389A404C for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:27:09 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KgfavH1VKr0R for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:26:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D31F99A402A for ; Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:27:08 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:27:08 -0500 Message-Id: <04B78B18-1369-426E-BA9D-160F6773DAF1@vigilsec.com> To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 12 January 2016 at 13:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2016 21:27:12 -0000 Tools Call Agenda -- 12 January 2016 at 13:00 Eastern 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan - Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests -- Robert - Interim Meeting Management -- Robert - Review Tracking -- Robert - Author Statistics -- Russ - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert - Add the YANG checker to the I-D Submission Tool -- Robert 2. Community & Other Projects - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg 3. RFC Services Projects - RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics -- Heather - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org 5. Server Infrastructure - CDN support for HTML I-Ds -- Henrik - Correct "broken" messages in the email archives -- Robert and Ryan 6. IDIQ Contractors - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray 7. Parking Lot - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? - Can the test process for the NomCom Tool be more comprehensive? - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub 8. AOB From nobody Mon Jan 11 08:14:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2B311A701A for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:14:55 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.799 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ffNGw3gGhjGa for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:14:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E7921A7002 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:14:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-96-226-213-187.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [96.226.213.187]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u0BGEmNR044575 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:14:48 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-96-226-213-187.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [96.226.213.187] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <04B78B18-1369-426E-BA9D-160F6773DAF1@vigilsec.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <5693D4F7.3090902@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 10:14:47 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <04B78B18-1369-426E-BA9D-160F6773DAF1@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 12 January 2016 at 13:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 16:14:56 -0000 Notes inline: On 1/9/16 3:27 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > Tools Call Agenda -- 12 January 2016 at 13:00 Eastern > > 1. Datatracker Projects > - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik > -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan We should have a few releases in the next couple of weeks focusing on getting the maintenance work people have been doing over the last few weeks released, getting the nomcom improvements into production, and integrating YANG verification into the submission tool. > - Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests -- Robert In RFB period > - Interim Meeting Management -- Robert In RFB period > - Review Tracking -- Robert In RFP period > - Author Statistics -- Russ On Hold pending other projects > - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert Direction change proposed on tools-development@ - so far Russ is the only person to reply. > - Add the YANG checker to the I-D Submission Tool -- Robert In progress - should be deployed this month. > > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert Nothing new to report. > - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg > > 3. RFC Services Projects > - RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics -- Heather > - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather > - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert In IAB review - authors are integrating feedback. > > 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools > - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org > > 5. Server Infrastructure > - CDN support for HTML I-Ds -- Henrik > - Correct "broken" messages in the email archives -- Robert and Ryan Work beginning. > > 6. IDIQ Contractors > - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray > > 7. Parking Lot > - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert Russ - we should add an "improvements to the mailarchive application, outside the parking lot. I revised the requirements draft and sent it to tools-discuss@ and ietf@. I'll be asking Jari to take it through LC soon (I'll make that request late this week unless some dramatic discussion shows up before then). > - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS > - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert > - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? > - Can the test process for the NomCom Tool be more comprehensive? > - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik > - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert > - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub > > 8. AOB > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Mon Jan 11 08:41:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0C4A1A8A87 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:41:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jLflv-mOtkGW for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF0131A8A81 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 601AA1E5A2F for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:41:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EYyEg5ZwDXqw for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:41:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [10.198.42.27] (98-125-169-61.dyn.centurytel.net [98.125.169.61]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 203EF1E5A2E for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:41:34 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_CD13FC62-5D06-429B-B754-2870C00E1964"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.2 \(3112\)) X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.6b2 From: Heather Flanagan In-Reply-To: <5693D4F7.3090902@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:41:37 -0800 Message-Id: <5B2704EE-89A9-417F-B9C2-D2B9EACF13B9@rfc-editor.org> References: <04B78B18-1369-426E-BA9D-160F6773DAF1@vigilsec.com> <5693D4F7.3090902@nostrum.com> To: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3112) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 12 January 2016 at 13:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 16:41:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_CD13FC62-5D06-429B-B754-2870C00E1964 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E6FF80B0-E2AF-47C4-AFA9-D64CB963D336" --Apple-Mail=_E6FF80B0-E2AF-47C4-AFA9-D64CB963D336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> 3. RFC Services Projects >> - RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics =E2=80=94 Heather RFP is out; waiting for bids. Ray may have more info >> - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather >> - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert > In IAB review - authors are integrating feedback. What Robert said. The IAB has a deadline of January 13 to do their = review, and several members of the design team (myself included) have a = bit more work to do to incorporate (or not) the comments offered -Heather --Apple-Mail=_E6FF80B0-E2AF-47C4-AFA9-D64CB963D336 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:


3. RFC Services Projects
   - = RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics =E2=80=94 Heather

RFP is out; waiting for bids. Ray may have more = info

   - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather
   - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert
In IAB review - authors are = integrating feedback.

What Robert said. The IAB has a deadline of = January 13 to do their review, and several members of the design team = (myself included) have a bit more work to do to incorporate (or not) the = comments offered

-Heather

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On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:14 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

5. = Server Infrastructure
   - CDN support for = HTML I-Ds -- Henrik
   - Correct "broken" = messages in the email archives -- Robert and Ryan
Work = beginning.

Fixes for unindented header continuation lines is = complete.
Proceeding with work on the message = corruption due to improper file locking.

- Ryan
 
= --Apple-Mail=_C8CA96BE-F6D3-492E-834E-3F468DA0BD09-- From nobody Mon Jan 11 14:04:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4163E1AC3C7 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 14:04:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id blSXFzhnozUM for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 14:04:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A8481AC3C3 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 14:04:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012A79A405E for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:04:03 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hqZuWD078vSX for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:02:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from [172.17.86.5] (unknown [12.0.207.18]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AC969A4027 for ; Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:04:03 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <5693D4F7.3090902@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:04:02 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <63D9E5D2-0E73-4FFB-B1E0-9667A6953EFC@vigilsec.com> References: <04B78B18-1369-426E-BA9D-160F6773DAF1@vigilsec.com> <5693D4F7.3090902@nostrum.com> To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 12 January 2016 at 13:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 22:04:06 -0000 > Russ - we should add an "improvements to the mailarchive application, = outside the parking lot. > I revised the requirements draft and sent it to tools-discuss@ and = ietf@. > I'll be asking Jari to take it through LC soon (I'll make that request = late this week unless some dramatic discussion shows up before then) Done in this revised agenda ... Tools Call Agenda -- 12 January 2016 at 13:00 Eastern 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan - Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests -- Robert - Interim Meeting Management -- Robert - Review Tracking -- Robert - Author Statistics -- Russ - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert - Add the YANG checker to the I-D Submission Tool -- Robert 2. Community & Other Projects - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg 3. RFC Services Projects - RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics -- Heather - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org 5. Server Infrastructure - CDN support for HTML I-Ds -- Henrik - Correct "broken" messages in the email archives -- Robert and Ryan 6. IDIQ Contractors - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray 7. Parking Lot - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? - Can the test process for the NomCom Tool be more comprehensive? - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub 8. 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Thread-Index: AQHRSXm7AyuCoC88eUukFX9bmQ7sop72/eyA Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 22:33:18 +0000 Message-ID: References: <568EAF29.3080206@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <568EAF29.3080206@nostrum.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.117.15.5] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Future proceedings: create a static set of files, or generate them when they're viewed? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 22:33:21 -0000 On 1/7/16, 1:32 PM, "TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT on behalf of Robert Sparks" wrote: Hi! I see that in the agenda for tomorrow there are separate items related to "Meeting Materials Management" and "Interim Meeting Management" -- not knowing the whole context of the second item, I think that what we want (it has come up in the WG Chairs list) is for the proceedings to not necessarily be just for a meeting (IETF 94, for example), but for the period between two meetings (e.g. Between IETF 93 and IETF 94). This way when looking at the proceedings for a WG people can see the whole story (including interims, and physical meetings, and even an ad hoc update of the progress) for that period of time in a single place. >Do we want to generate the final proceedings for some future meeting as >a self-contained, exportable, set of files (which could be moved to >www.ietf.org for example), or do we want to make it so that you view >those proceedings on the datatracker (building the views as needed)? I don't have a strong opinion, but because we can see them in www.ietf.org, then I would go with that first option. Of course, redirection can solve anything. >We've had several people propose that we just start using the current >meeting materials page _as_ the proceedings (adding any necessary detail >that's missing). On production, we've already locked away that page for >IETF94, so I've put a copy up here with an extended corrections cutoff >date: >https://dt-test.rjsparks.org/meeting/94/materials.html > >If we used that page as the proceedings, or something derived from it, >or generated, on demand, pages that looked more like the proceedings we >have now, it would mean allowing the proceedings for a given meeting to >_change_ past the point they were declared "official". All that sounds fine to me, with the "period of time" caveat from above. My 1c. Alvaro. 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Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan We should have a few releases in the next couple of weeks focusing on = getting the maintenance work people have been doing over the last few = weeks released, getting the nomcom improvements into production, and = integrating YANG verification into the submission tool. Henrik - 1st release today or tomorrow plus a lot of work from Lars = giving us history, timeline=20 - Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests -- Robert In RFB period - Interim Meeting Management -- Robert In RFB period - Review Tracking -- Robert In RFP period - Author Statistics -- Russ On Hold pending other projects - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert Direction change proposed on tools-development@ - so far Russ is the = only person to reply. - Add the YANG checker to the I-D Submission Tool -- Robert In progress - should be deployed this month. 2. Community & Other Projects - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert Nothing new to report. Timeline - ask Jari to send to LC later this week - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert NA - IETF Website Makeover -- Joe and Greg Greg - working towards timeline; moving content to CMS; exploring and = possibly engaging outside help; transitioned in next two weeks;=20 Alexa - staff reviewing 3. RFC Services Projects - RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics -- Heather RFP is out; waiting for bids. - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather Heather - The IAB has a deadline of January 13 to do their review, and = several members of the design team (myself included) have a bit more = work to do to incorporate (or not) the comments offered; IAB and RSOC = reviews; Goald Community Review by end of month - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert In IAB review - authors are integrating feedback. 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org Robert - project - integrating if issue tracker behind the Yang = integration=20 5. Server Infrastructure - CDN support for HTML I-Ds -- Henrik Nothing more, not to happen soon; needs lots of restructuring; Move to=20= parking lot. - Correct "broken" messages in the email archives -- Robert and Ryan Work beginning. Ryan - Fixes for unindented header continuation lines is complete. Proceeding with work on the message corruption due to improper file = locking. Robert - IESG approved. 6. IDIQ Contractors - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray 7. Parking Lot - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert Russ - we should add an "improvements to the mailarchive application, = outside the parking lot. I revised the requirements draft and sent it to tools-discuss@ and = ietf@. I'll be asking Jari to take it through LC soon (I'll make that request = late this week unless some dramatic discussion shows up before then). - Mentor Support Tool -- AMS - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? - Can the test process for the NomCom Tool be more comprehensive? - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub 8. AOB Robert When we get to BA wants to report out on IMAP and MailArc severs on = operations Glen will look at it; impact looks to be pleasantly minimal; Robert to reach out to Alexey Robert - use of volunteers to address smaller issues in mail archives; = moderate priority, i.e., March, early April; ahead of changing the = underpinnings to data tracker=20 Jari - is that a performance related move? Robert - no Lou Status of video as part of proceedings. Alexa - working on that right now. Greg - playlists set up on YouTube From nobody Tue Jan 12 10:46:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 860821A1BA9 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:46:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zNL1pVxVyZ9P for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy1-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.25.95]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FE4C1A1B79 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 10:46:35 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16330 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jan 2016 18:46:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy1.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 12 Jan 2016 18:46:33 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id 5DmR1s01A2SSUrH01DmUbt; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:46:30 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=bej4Do/B c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=7aQ_Q-yQQ-AA:10 a=p1wfiNfT7BCCmMT3R54A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=sBC8SJdswhwofY12TPWqYhg2tiHPDBeMdq2wPYQpfW4=; b=ftQsIABRRptqSoWeamdY2G54lFic5FgQfL5PwRm+q9SGIdBsXmPk9SoGea71rGR3saPyI2PVFlz2ZTMbpsMATxi/TT6+rljvoRYGJdmGy4EHsGy8nz3VWPm9qKytekZw; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:33181 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aJ3xc-00040o-0E; Tue, 12 Jan 2016 11:46:28 -0700 To: Ray Pelletier , tools-development@ietf.org References: From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <569549FC.2040803@labn.net> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 13:46:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Rough Notes Tools Call 12 Jan 2016 2016-01-12 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:46:36 -0000 Ray, Thanks for the very quick turn on the notes -- hugely helpful! Two nits: On 1/12/2016 1:28 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert > Nothing new to report. > Timeline - ask Jari to send to LC later this week RFP targeted for March, with project completion targeted for the summer. ... > Lou > Status of video as part of proceedings. > > Alexa - working on that right now. > Status update to be provided at the next meeting. Thanks again for the quick turn on the notes, Lou From nobody Wed Jan 13 12:57:56 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28261A00CD for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:57:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.303 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.303 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UKFDO9Pm6mpK for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.amsl.com (mail.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 848D21A00CC for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:57:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 965841E5A37; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:57:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8CAaPNQUt28h; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:57:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from [64.170.98.238] (unknown [64.170.98.238]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 7C21F1E5A36; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:57:40 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: <569549FC.2040803@labn.net> Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:57:52 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sendlaterdate: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:57:52 -0800 Message-Id: <791A4AA8-BB1C-4402-ACC6-09A5A3A3CCBB@amsl.com> References: <569549FC.2040803@labn.net> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Rough Notes Tools Call 12 Jan 2016 2016-01-12 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 20:57:54 -0000 On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 > ... >> Lou >> Status of video as part of proceedings. >>=20 >> Alexa - working on that right now. >>=20 >=20 > Status update to be provided at the next meeting. All IETF 94 working group session and plenary Meetecho videos are now = part of the Proceedings (http://ietf.org/proceedings/94/). The process = to add to the videos to earlier proceedings is slightly more complicated = and requires some code changes, but we will start working on that next.=20= Alexa ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com From nobody Wed Jan 13 13:04:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45E001A010E for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:04:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.067 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.067 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, J_CHICKENPOX_32=0.6, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 58qj9K1DSsit for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:04:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DEEB81A010D for ; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:04:36 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30127 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jan 2016 21:04:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 13 Jan 2016 21:04:36 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id 5g4U1s0112SSUrH01g4XZs; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:04:33 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=bej4Do/B c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=f5113yIGAAAA:8 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=fZBD34O37RMA:10 a=7aQ_Q-yQQ-AA:10 a=jGqiy6jZAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=rDB2MIn0JRrdV2KVzZoA:9 a=Zv5A92Wo-fwXMF4_:21 a=yYtCZUP05ktyC4Hb:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=HnLCZGXJvbkA:10 a=3FwFIVmWOf8A:10 a=EwLzhjD22RUA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Date:CC:To:From; bh=1ZHl8ebBv/NLMkvNieCGq/NzLGU/bOP/fHqhYZKaI6I=; b=s3M/ROFbEPuDtwKu5Ip7EnK44VUoKRXIgSdTrSGxbVe8XPylRu1fi8KlDoTzPQUT9ZZD6v97t0SN886ijk6C7YJkQ4x7Vg1X9VVKR4gNsHM6o8FPk1lhH0ZNkWogVskd; Received: from [208.54.35.224] (port=33699 helo=[192.0.0.4]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aJSak-0005rg-VZ; Wed, 13 Jan 2016 14:04:31 -0700 From: Lou Berger To: Alexa Morris Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 16:04:26 -0500 Message-ID: <1523ccdc7a8.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <791A4AA8-BB1C-4402-ACC6-09A5A3A3CCBB@amsl.com> References: <569549FC.2040803@labn.net> <791A4AA8-BB1C-4402-ACC6-09A5A3A3CCBB@amsl.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 AquaMail/1.6.0.6 (build: 24000011) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 208.54.35.224 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Rough Notes Tools Call 12 Jan 2016 2016-01-12 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 21:04:38 -0000 Alexa, Excellent! Are the sources archived on an ietf site too,or is that still TBD? Thanks, Lpu On January 13, 2016 3:58:20 PM Alexa Morris wrote: > On Jan 12, 2016, at 10:46 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > >> >> ... >>> Lou >>> Status of video as part of proceedings. >>> >>> Alexa - working on that right now. >>> >> >> Status update to be provided at the next meeting. > > All IETF 94 working group session and plenary Meetecho videos are now part > of the Proceedings (http://ietf.org/proceedings/94/). The process to add > to the videos to earlier proceedings is slightly more complicated and > requires some code changes, but we will start working on that next. > > Alexa > > ---------- > Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF > 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 > Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 > Email: amorris@amsl.com > > Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) > Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning > www.amsl.com > > From nobody Fri Jan 22 13:59:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7E631A8A63 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:59:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LTMT3_IW1OWY for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77FE61A8A61 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:59:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6B239A4063 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:59:08 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BBeZv+h58PXL for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6684D9A403B for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:58:57 -0500 (EST) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 16:58:55 -0500 Message-Id: To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] SSLv3 for Postfix X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:59:10 -0000 SSLv3 is disabled on Apache, as I would expect. However, I have just = learned that SSLv3 is still enabled on Postfix for mail transport. I = think we should disable it. Anyone disagree? Russ From nobody Fri Jan 22 14:01:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D7E1A8A66 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:01:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1O8U0YE4xzP9 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 717E81A8A64 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:01:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:64598 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1aMjlT-0004UW-D2; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:01:07 -0800 Message-ID: <56A2A69C.6040609@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:01:00 +0100 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley , IETF Tools Development References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="pHmgMq6BNq6a4isvq5c5lQ9OEUDD1T6wj" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] SSLv3 for Postfix X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:01:09 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --pHmgMq6BNq6a4isvq5c5lQ9OEUDD1T6wj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-01-22 22:58, Russ Housley wrote: > SSLv3 is disabled on Apache, as I would expect. However, I have just > learned that SSLv3 is still enabled on Postfix for mail transport. I > think we should disable it. Anyone disagree? No. I'm sure it will lead to someone being bothered, so it would be good= to announce it, though. Best regards, Henrik --pHmgMq6BNq6a4isvq5c5lQ9OEUDD1T6wj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJWoqacAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcaxjAP/3+orFklEQXTLqEENKEQWX3Q EkywqKNsGJ7RhypvnmnB/NAZjMsxAvdW9v23G50hP9d1AO5IwMbc+paJPeB1ppZE eQUWpY6B7gyieRAUClZB/0Dn4qFFPa2VIYgRYWbUmMO7QRQWrMT5gb/ipLyJLwfT r4UwHKFrN1y+WzxtoxR3sM616cWReAWYw4YRWPmJsm34pAx8FBN+br/i9fQZIi0e Xple+LH5exX1/xpUn25JUkH4EUL3ghVEjyom2s3d3/MaC/S7wTRDB+yh4ScjRj5j ZxNjb5CrubGSIto7gtDKvDRxuDmPBeSPXWIuJnQn/LlrBocv2Fz31+wzx9spE4Hy SIMkiVJjS+3skzMEHjeg4INUC2/IC8cZj0Cg/AgGXiXZsFROL8s5ctprkCMY+7ti bldsFStzT95HpxzuyCkiL3Xj+P0Olgm84c9HuQ14B3Lqb8BixXzQeFiVBXUwlnht xBf5MYGZInbvq2DSecWRCJeng39NrxUn2h2MPki4JQp0PuVwSzJ8uHEbx8RW0+lY Qiiq70ZvXcFFe00i3VRUwhVv8aRi4gNctUtnb9og7ldum0QafeZHlegH/aWUcFrm ri1A5U9KBYyfvNngquh2a5LH6oVrD2lTalJQSGFLLPQR8Ruk7jCX3ANyB/jWfw+S TkgOAFg+4L7vq3eKcm6g =ipMG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pHmgMq6BNq6a4isvq5c5lQ9OEUDD1T6wj-- From nobody Fri Jan 22 14:04:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E771A8A8D for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:03:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id K0jmNyslqVLu for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:03:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40081A8A8C for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:03:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A8C9A4063; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:03:58 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tnkREm6OQn6E; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:02:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83B309A403B; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:03:58 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <56A2A69C.6040609@levkowetz.com> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:03:58 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: <56A2A69C.6040609@levkowetz.com> To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] SSLv3 for Postfix X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:04:00 -0000 Jari: Would you please handle the announcement. Russ >> SSLv3 is disabled on Apache, as I would expect. However, I have just >> learned that SSLv3 is still enabled on Postfix for mail transport. I >> think we should disable it. Anyone disagree? > > No. I'm sure it will lead to someone being bothered, so it would be good > to announce it, though. > > > Best regards, > > Henrik From nobody Fri Jan 22 14:11:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D5831A8ABD for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:11:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yw31QU8i8phB for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:11:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D030B1A8ABC for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:11:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E23FD2CC9A; Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:11:43 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EA6o8ywL3Eem; Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:11:43 +0200 (EET) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001802CC6C; Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:11:42 +0200 (EET) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A81F264B-B9DE-4198-80B4-5138AC921181"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 00:11:40 +0200 Message-Id: <8F40B361-A80D-46DA-9EA4-C3E274D0F6D8@piuha.net> References: <56A2A69C.6040609@levkowetz.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] SSLv3 for Postfix X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:11:47 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_A81F264B-B9DE-4198-80B4-5138AC921181 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is this the right announcement: Subject: IETF mail server and SSLv3 For your information, while SSLv3 has been disabled on IETF web servers, = it has still been enabled on mail transport. The tools is taking action = to disable SSLv3 even on mail transport. After this, all IETF web and = mail servers support only TLS-based transport on secure connections. If you have any feedback regarding this, let me or the tools team know. Jari Arkko, IETF Chair --Apple-Mail=_A81F264B-B9DE-4198-80B4-5138AC921181 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJWoqkcAAoJEM80gCTQU46qk9wP/0mDrBsYJOebU+qMIGmG4JLu JTX93CiLvNUMB0dlXeHAmXxA/Cf0A6s826catVj+l8c7fTKVqqs+bLVOxvFLY49w bqPFXZVYJipI4Ox7ckGmDxBXmtOc6zDK6L68rHlCB3NjElwQQDAVRwOKHb4O+LJs E75xhcjnINOLkvxhE2Y5ndjDtnczjAur3XlpItjui1ChzmjEX7pPuVdKTFZkXxsn h0zvs8iCKGlLYur4cElgpd43L5Mtrr+zNweMkq3ZJ6olAMQBY7woZSClGYrvDbNu ZAXL2a9G/rrP6Zeuv0fWsJjhTEoWPdSzshYaoY8det0Bc9tV3IJ2C/aG6u+fDifh u8Wq9O9sfZrHtNBXKfFN5EhAYSqcbgM9xefaYyfGbtJkwPaUvkNz/UX4gbWLCWbA RUIw5taFuoVRLpiRSmH7eL1PSx8Cc9SKzxvsN0v5k7de7G7f8mWFUFIKiY3Oe+5r lUpUVKiHFB90nH5c9VNbbwu7h8vegcHkebdVNYnqi7l4L0VKFLj4LjsgnJ/gzmNu reImqc3EQebHup4owC96ziXgHcsl2XBCoEaMtWWBGCotEzEdwZaz7S9eLPfIgjWm wK0g31cRIi7gee5k2m5PX5EIYqhTj6pPxAakj0M8J85KsjEoEYabdPqffhVPCZjd 2bwYoxFSp8FbJVK5zRyc =9l6m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_A81F264B-B9DE-4198-80B4-5138AC921181-- From nobody Fri Jan 22 14:28:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441751A8AE2 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:28:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3AKTaiPO4Xa0 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3457E1A8AE0 for ; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E021E9A4061; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:28:14 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tw7gy5g4pfsp; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:27:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9543A9A403B; Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:28:14 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <8F40B361-A80D-46DA-9EA4-C3E274D0F6D8@piuha.net> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 17:28:14 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <27A02464-D2FD-49BB-AF22-C700FAAB0E7A@vigilsec.com> References: <56A2A69C.6040609@levkowetz.com> <8F40B361-A80D-46DA-9EA4-C3E274D0F6D8@piuha.net> To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] SSLv3 for Postfix X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:28:16 -0000 Sounds right to me. Russ On Jan 22, 2016, at 5:11 PM, Jari Arkko wrote: > Is this the right announcement: >=20 > Subject: IETF mail server and SSLv3 >=20 > For your information, while SSLv3 has been disabled on IETF web = servers, it has still been enabled on mail transport. The tools is = taking action to disable SSLv3 even on mail transport. After this, all = IETF web and mail servers support only TLS-based transport on secure = connections. >=20 > If you have any feedback regarding this, let me or the tools team = know. >=20 > Jari Arkko, IETF Chair >=20 From nobody Tue Jan 26 13:18:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietf.org Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from [10.30.0.103] (unknown [83.150.71.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CA42C1B3174 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:17:57 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: IETF Chair X-Priority: 3 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 23:17:34 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <29399ADA-DCB4-4807-A5DF-D09E541CFB14@ietf.org> References: <000a01d1585b$60b68e60$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: IETF mail server and SSLv3 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 21:18:02 -0000 FYI=85 some discussion at ietf@ietf.org. I responded, Stephen did as = well. Probably no need to respond from this team unless some more = specific things come up :-) Jari Begin forwarded message: > From: tom p. > Subject: Re: IETF mail server and SSLv3 > Date: 26 Jan 2016 19:02:38 GMT+2 > To: IETF Chair > Cc: IETF >=20 > ---- Original Message ----- > From: "IETF Chair" > To: "IETF Announcement List" > Cc: "IETF" > Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 7:39 PM >=20 > For your information, while SSLv3 has been disabled on IETF web = servers, > it has still been enabled on mail transport. The tools is taking = action > to disable SSLv3 even on mail transport. After this, all IETF web and > mail servers support only TLS-based transport on secure connections. >=20 > If you have any feedback regarding this, let me or the tools team = know. >=20 > >=20 > It seems a somewhat strange executive decision. e-mail, famously, is > not end-to-end so what happens between the IETF mail servers and > whatever E/ISP the IETF uses seems like a local decision that does not > affect the service I get (whereas what happens between my e-mail = client > and the E/ISP that I use has a major impact on the service I get). >=20 > So this looks like an impressive sounding announcement in advancing = the > field of privacy that actually does not mean very much. >=20 > Tom Petch >=20 >=20 >=20 > Jari Arkko, IETF Chair >=20 From nobody Tue Jan 26 15:17:31 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F8D1B3305; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:17:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nHrZRLZFy7Nw; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from odin.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31F931B3303; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:17:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (unknown [209.135.209.5]) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E2159A40B5; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:17:26 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from odin.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I4LZqnETMHIi; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:16:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.2.104] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by odin.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE03D9A40B4; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:17:25 -0500 (EST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 From: Russ Housley X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <29399ADA-DCB4-4807-A5DF-D09E541CFB14@ietf.org> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:17:25 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <000a01d1585b$60b68e60$4001a8c0@gateway.2wire.net> <29399ADA-DCB4-4807-A5DF-D09E541CFB14@ietf.org> To: IETF Chair X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: IETF mail server and SSLv3 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 23:17:29 -0000 I saw the discussion. I believe your note is saying that we should move = ahead with disabling SSLv3 on postfix. Russ On Jan 26, 2016, at 4:17 PM, IETF Chair wrote: >=20 > FYI=85 some discussion at ietf@ietf.org. I responded, Stephen did as = well. Probably no need to respond from this team unless some more = specific things come up :-) >=20 > Jari >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 >> From: tom p. >> Subject: Re: IETF mail server and SSLv3 >> Date: 26 Jan 2016 19:02:38 GMT+2 >> To: IETF Chair >> Cc: IETF >>=20 >> ---- Original Message ----- >> From: "IETF Chair" >> To: "IETF Announcement List" >> Cc: "IETF" >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 7:39 PM >>=20 >> For your information, while SSLv3 has been disabled on IETF web = servers, >> it has still been enabled on mail transport. The tools is taking = action >> to disable SSLv3 even on mail transport. After this, all IETF web and >> mail servers support only TLS-based transport on secure connections. >>=20 >> If you have any feedback regarding this, let me or the tools team = know. >>=20 >> >>=20 >> It seems a somewhat strange executive decision. e-mail, famously, is >> not end-to-end so what happens between the IETF mail servers and >> whatever E/ISP the IETF uses seems like a local decision that does = not >> affect the service I get (whereas what happens between my e-mail = client >> and the E/ISP that I use has a major impact on the service I get). >>=20 >> So this looks like an impressive sounding announcement in advancing = the >> field of privacy that actually does not mean very much. >>=20 >> Tom Petch >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Jari Arkko, IETF Chair >>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Tue Jan 26 15:53:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591CD1A0123 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:53:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pA9nYanP76cM for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 409311A0120 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:53:16 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 18426 invoked by uid 0); 26 Jan 2016 23:53:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 26 Jan 2016 23:53:10 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id Aut41s00X2SSUrH01ut7pW; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 23:53:07 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=bej4Do/B c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=7aQ_Q-yQQ-AA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=WRc0xpg5mNcui7TvcmkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:To:References:Subject; bh=9klJyKu3ZxfHK7XQcLI8w5iPINcJf9Y8DnrNV07RG2U=; b=cKijvviGWUJQkPyhnxun6YzkxggsCMNMiYMWZ0fB666r/9Kb+n6gfoZSpg+Oa+YXu/yECeHilQlhgpQAKV9csWK/o3OWZLVERdFPUKbWzUG2zH8VnHiOqH9jZFanKqBE; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:51569 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aODQ3-0002ov-2C; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 16:53:07 -0700 References: <56A7F848.3020308@gmail.com> To: IETF Tools Development From: Lou Berger X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <56A7F848.3020308@gmail.com> Message-ID: <56A806DA.9050204@labn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 18:52:58 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56A7F848.3020308@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Melinda Shore Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: New Non-WG Mailing List: Ietf-and-github -- Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 23:53:17 -0000 So at one of the tools committee meetings I asked about standing up a gitlab instance for IETF and was told something along the lines of "someone looked at it and concluded it didn't meet our needs". I'm a private instance user of open source gitlab and am very happy with it. Can someone elaborate on why using open source gitlab for something like git.ietf.org is a bad idea? Thanks, Lou -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: New Non-WG Mailing List: Ietf-and-github -- Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:50:48 -0900 From: Melinda Shore To: ietf@ietf.org On 1/26/16 1:39 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Yes; no. Further, this goes well beyond "protocols": it is mostly about > interface for WG participants. I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to be fussy about this but fussy we are, so I'll add that I think this is about working group tools rather than working group "interfaces" (individual contributors already can and do use pretty much whatever they want to get their documents ready). I am not a fan of making IETF processes dependent on technologies that don't "belong" to the IETF and I don't think it's a trivial concern, but if the IETF tools aren't working for us it makes sense to look outside for tools that do. 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Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:57:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.224.219] ([209.97.127.34]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e28sm608607qkh.44.2016.01.26.15.57.27 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:57:28 -0800 (PST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_7D86FE8A-EBEB-4D22-B82C-9E5B64CCD0C0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <56A806DA.9050204@labn.net> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 15:57:24 -0800 Message-Id: References: <56A7F848.3020308@gmail.com> <56A806DA.9050204@labn.net> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Cc: Melinda Shore , IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] New Non-WG Mailing List: Ietf-and-github -- Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 23:57:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_7D86FE8A-EBEB-4D22-B82C-9E5B64CCD0C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lou, > On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >=20 > So at one of the tools committee meetings I asked about standing up a > gitlab instance for IETF and was told something along the lines of > "someone looked at it and concluded it didn't meet our needs". I'm a > private instance user of open source gitlab and am very happy with it. >=20 > Can someone elaborate on why using open source gitlab for something = like > git.ietf.org is a bad idea? I have been using github for some 6MAN drafts. I have the opposite questions, why do we need our own version if the = default version would work? Why spend our time, effort, and money to = host and support it? Bob >=20 > Thanks, > Lou >=20 > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: New Non-WG Mailing List: Ietf-and-github -- = Discussion of > using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:50:48 -0900 > From: Melinda Shore > To: ietf@ietf.org >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 1/26/16 1:39 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> Yes; no. Further, this goes well beyond "protocols": it is mostly = about >> interface for WG participants. >=20 > I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to be fussy about > this but fussy we are, so I'll add that I think this is > about working group tools rather than working group > "interfaces" (individual contributors already can > and do use pretty much whatever they want to get > their documents ready). >=20 > I am not a fan of making IETF processes dependent on > technologies that don't "belong" to the IETF and I don't > think it's a trivial concern, but if the IETF tools > aren't working for us it makes sense to look outside for > tools that do. >=20 > Melinda >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --Apple-Mail=_7D86FE8A-EBEB-4D22-B82C-9E5B64CCD0C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:Date:CC:To:From; bh=lgUMHRzewkJSI9y+E3OY9DCGMwtyL8dl9c8EupeaA4E=; b=eLo7zNAwaxIlv8W1ImtmfxatT/0srH/oye2kV+f+XRkC1ZDdZ1yK7lCv5yEbxY6qN3CeKqGKUVgOIWpMLo12uH5rKtQwVODKk1LCWUOkPYFXrph4m4iN91zw6b6+IgNu; Received: from [100.15.91.238] (port=36786 helo=[11.4.0.238]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aOEHC-0004zB-2k; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:48:02 -0700 From: Lou Berger To: Bob Hinden Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 19:47:59 -0500 Message-ID: <152808d2218.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: References: <56A7F848.3020308@gmail.com> <56A806DA.9050204@labn.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 AquaMail/1.6.0.8 (build: 24000014) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 100.15.91.238 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Melinda Shore , IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] New Non-WG Mailing List: Ietf-and-github -- Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 00:48:08 -0000 Bob, On January 26, 2016 6:57:54 PM Bob Hinden wrote: > Lou, > >> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >> >> >> So at one of the tools committee meetings I asked about standing up a >> gitlab instance for IETF and was told something along the lines of >> "someone looked at it and concluded it didn't meet our needs". I'm a >> private instance user of open source gitlab and am very happy with it. >> >> Can someone elaborate on why using open source gitlab for something like >> git.ietf.org is a bad idea? > > I have been using github for some 6MAN drafts. > > I have the opposite questions, why do we need our own version if the > default version would work? Why spend our time, effort, and money to host > and support it? This is a truly excellent question. The first and main concern I have is related to the type of information that is being stored on github. I have no issue with using it as a repository for documents in development, as the end result is a document published and archived via the normal ietf process. (I'm using it for several documents at the moment too.) But I do have a concern related to the other types of information that is being / may be stored and exchanged via github. In particular, the information stored in the issue tracker feature. In the uses I have seen of it, I believe there are exchanges, information, that really belong as part of the archived working group record. A secondary concern, is the exposure we have if one day github shuts down or starts charging. I certainly agree that this can be addressed through the contingency plan vs a defensive plan where we spend money today. Given how useful and important this tool is likely to be in our process, I think it is worth exploring actual cost. But I do agree wholeheartedly that we need to understand cost as part of this discussion, at some point. Lou > > Bob > >> >> Thanks, >> Lou >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: New Non-WG Mailing List: Ietf-and-github -- Discussion of >> using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups >> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:50:48 -0900 >> From: Melinda Shore >> To: ietf@ietf.org >> >> >> >> On 1/26/16 1:39 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>> Yes; no. Further, this goes well beyond "protocols": it is mostly about >>> interface for WG participants. >> >> I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to be fussy about >> this but fussy we are, so I'll add that I think this is >> about working group tools rather than working group >> "interfaces" (individual contributors already can >> and do use pretty much whatever they want to get >> their documents ready). >> >> I am not a fan of making IETF processes dependent on >> technologies that don't "belong" to the IETF and I don't >> think it's a trivial concern, but if the IETF tools >> aren't working for us it makes sense to look outside for >> tools that do. >> >> Melinda >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > From nobody Tue Jan 26 17:15:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF151A1BF6 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:15:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.244 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.244 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, KHOP_DYNAMIC=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZpLZngSzw0DS for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9ABD41A014B for ; Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:15:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0049461.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0049461.ppops.net-00191d01. 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Message framework v1085) From: Russ Housley Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 10:35:57 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <83EF08BD-EC5C-419E-88F2-2AB1EB625296@ietf.org> To: IAOC X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: RFC format evolution and IETF documents X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 15:36:07 -0000 Just in case you do not read the ietf-announce mail list ... > From: IETF Chair > Date: January 27, 2016 10:31:43 AM EST > To: IETF Announcement List > Cc: "Heather Flanagan \(RFC Series Editor\)" , = IETF > Subject: RFC format evolution and IETF documents > Reply-To: IETF , "Heather Flanagan \(RFC Series = Editor\)" >=20 >=20 > For background, the RFC Editor and the IAB have been > working on the evolution of the RFC format. The IAB > will be sending a number of documents soon out > for review. At the same time, the tools team have > been working on what the new format requires > from the tools. Both the documents and the tools > requirements are available from the reading list > below. >=20 > The IESG has discussed what this all means for > the IETF documents. The evolution is important > for the IETF as well, and we look forward to > being able to use possibilities in the new format. >=20 > The IESG wanted to offer five points: >=20 > 1. Please review the documents and send > feedback to the rfc-interest list at > https://www.rfc-editor.org/mailman/listinfo/rfc-interest > or the authors. >=20 > 2. We would like to see the new format be > available as the base format for Internet > Drafts as well, supported by the relevant > tools, and usable by each of the RFC > streams as needed. Each stream may > of course have a policy on what content or > format features they prefer. >=20 > 3. We expect the RFC Editor, the IAB, and > the tools team (incl. IAOC support) to make > the above possible. >=20 > 4. =46rom an IETF stream perspective, we are > in eager waiting mode. Once the format > definitions and tools are in place, we > will (among others) want to try the > new possibilities in IETF stream > documents. =46rom a careful engineering > stand point we would like to start > small, and gather experience on > using the new format and tools. There > will be implications on how we review > documents, for instance. >=20 > 5. Existing I-D submission using text > only will likely stay on for a long time > if not indefinitely, so old methods can > also be used as needed or desired. >=20 > Comments appreciated, as always. >=20 > Jari Arkko for the IESG >=20 > Reading list: >=20 > 1. The big picture >=20 > - - Flanagan, H., "RFC Format Framework", > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-rfc-framework/ >=20 > 2. The underlying vocabulary >=20 > - - Hoffman, P., "The 'XML2RFC' version 3 Vocabulary", > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-xml2rfc/ >=20 > 3. The outputs >=20 > - - Hildebrand, J. and P. Hoffman, "HyperText Markup > Language Request For Comments Format=94, > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-html-rfc/ >=20 > - - Flanagan, H., "Requirements for Plain Text RFCs=94, > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-rfc-plaintext/ >=20 > - - Hansen, T., Masinter, L., and M. Hardy, "PDF for > an RFC Series Output Document Format=94, > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hansen-rfc-use-of-pdf/ > Note that the filename may change to an IAB document soon. >=20 > - - Brownlee, N., "SVG Drawings for RFCs: SVG 1.2 RFC", > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-svg-rfc/ >=20 > 4. Generalized requirements >=20 > - - Flanagan, H., "The Use of Non-ASCII Characters in RFCs", > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-iab-rfc-nonascii-00.pdf >=20 > - - Flanagan, H., =93CSS Requirements for RFCs=94, > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-rfc-css/ >=20 > 5. Workflow and tools (note that the examples draft will > not become an RFC, but is necessary for the project) >=20 > - - Hildebrand, J. and P. Hoffman, "RFC v3 Prep Tool Description", > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-rfcv3-preptool/ >=20 > - - Hoffman, P. and T. Hansen, "Examples of the =91XML2RFC' > Version 2 and 3 Vocabularies=94, > http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-hoffman-rfcexamples/ >=20 > 6. The Statements of Work >=20 > - - http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/rfced/ From nobody Thu Jan 28 05:38:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8E0C1A6F8C for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 05:38:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T1mQiyTpJ2jg for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 05:38:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F18B31A6F87 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 05:38:28 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 21167 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jan 2016 13:38:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw2) (10.0.90.83) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 28 Jan 2016 13:38:28 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw2 with id BReP1s00f2SSUrH01ReSKD; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 06:38:26 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=dqRIVTQ4 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=7aQ_Q-yQQ-AA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=WI5fo09OtSCocqcQts0A:9 a=Nnea45nfdu2O90JQ:21 a=j_0c3ZVKYYkhB6ZL:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=tMd4fhHylTV49WLIGdk/ZlEUQas8KzRrEOR+CcodeGw=; b=SXX7gUphoiwwzVVk4QsSxDp+h1WBAJrYu492DpOQQOcwueQpydNgjyv6pfn9+YOom88UGTmDEtPWTte14RpHtDkIQ8hRJorx7kEN/lbrds2xHqn+DDYmrxsJ9cdVa0eu; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:56846 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aOmmH-00078p-8a; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 06:38:25 -0700 To: "HANSEN, TONY L" References: <56A7F848.3020308@gmail.com> <56A806DA.9050204@labn.net> <152808d2218.2818.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> <9D996EC5-847C-47FA-A5DF-1D16E9A4EC5A@att.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <56AA19C7.1040101@labn.net> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:38:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9D996EC5-847C-47FA-A5DF-1D16E9A4EC5A@att.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] New Non-WG Mailing List: Ietf-and-github -- Discussion of using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:38:30 -0000 On 1/26/2016 8:15 PM, HANSEN, TONY L wrote: > An alternative solution to deal with the collection of issues is some sort of conduit connected between github and ietf servers. The issues and their comment list is all part of the git repository and should be able to be pulled across. I like this approach. It mirrors what we do with youtube (used for content distribution, but source material and archives are on ???.ietf.org.) Perhaps just having each WG added as a 'watcher' will suffice (see https://help.github.com/articles/about-notifications/) Does anyone have any experience with this feature? > As for intermediate versions, IMO we do NOT need to do anything to keep those. The only versions that are important are the ones that get uploaded to the datatracker. 100% agree. Thanks, Lou > Tony Hansen > > > > > > On 1/26/16, 7:47 PM, "TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT on behalf of Lou Berger" wrote: > >> Bob, >> >> >> On January 26, 2016 6:57:54 PM Bob Hinden wrote: >> >>> Lou, >>> >>>> On Jan 26, 2016, at 3:52 PM, Lou Berger wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> So at one of the tools committee meetings I asked about standing up a >>>> gitlab instance for IETF and was told something along the lines of >>>> "someone looked at it and concluded it didn't meet our needs". I'm a >>>> private instance user of open source gitlab and am very happy with it. >>>> >>>> Can someone elaborate on why using open source gitlab for something like >>>> git.ietf.org is a bad idea? >>> I have been using github for some 6MAN drafts. >>> >>> I have the opposite questions, why do we need our own version if the >>> default version would work? Why spend our time, effort, and money to host >>> and support it? >> This is a truly excellent question. >> >> The first and main concern I have is related to the type of information >> that is being stored on github. I have no issue with using it as a >> repository for documents in development, as the end result is a document >> published and archived via the normal ietf process. (I'm using it for >> several documents at the moment too.) But I do have a concern related to >> the other types of information that is being / may be stored and exchanged >> via github. In particular, the information stored in the issue tracker >> feature. In the uses I have seen of it, I believe there are exchanges, >> information, that really belong as part of the archived working group record. >> >> A secondary concern, is the exposure we have if one day github shuts down >> or starts charging. I certainly agree that this can be addressed through >> the contingency plan vs a defensive plan where we spend money today. >> >> Given how useful and important this tool is likely to be in our process, I >> think it is worth exploring actual cost. But I do agree wholeheartedly that >> we need to understand cost as part of this discussion, at some point. >> >> Lou >>> Bob >>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Lou >>>> >>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>>> Subject: Re: New Non-WG Mailing List: Ietf-and-github -- Discussion of >>>> using GitHub in IETF activities, particularly for Working Groups >>>> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 13:50:48 -0900 >>>> From: Melinda Shore >>>> To: ietf@ietf.org >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 1/26/16 1:39 PM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >>>>> Yes; no. Further, this goes well beyond "protocols": it is mostly about >>>>> interface for WG participants. >>>> I'm not sure it makes a lot of sense to be fussy about >>>> this but fussy we are, so I'll add that I think this is >>>> about working group tools rather than working group >>>> "interfaces" (individual contributors already can >>>> and do use pretty much whatever they want to get >>>> their documents ready). >>>> >>>> I am not a fan of making IETF processes dependent on >>>> technologies that don't "belong" to the IETF and I don't >>>> think it's a trivial concern, but if the IETF tools >>>> aren't working for us it makes sense to look outside for >>>> tools that do. >>>> >>>> Melinda >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > From nobody Thu Jan 28 08:29:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81C3E1B2D90 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:29:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.501 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.501 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MwxGy8hPjNvj for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3128B1B2D8D for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:29:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2902; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1453998543; x=1455208143; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=EcRO6padtROPzcXwYZ89XK7udUvndIBXvjtYpgiB1JI=; b=TOhy9GqdxvcEfAhllgDIFHzclod1SA/t2xxd2CZ9m6Jx98ivMV2gPktR +0ZMPukSxagoFmNfIhgk1GFWKgHNlMrxjR/7UxLFDdN8QAr8V20Xw3JpA U2bfX1TUmNgsPhvxbtSZlar3jtX95XR78iUzWCLZi2TCtvGMH0y+NEzEh I=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0D+AQAZQapW/5ldJa1egm5MUm0GiFGxR?= =?us-ascii?q?AENgWIahz84FAEBAQEBAQGBCoRIgQsBDAFzJwSILqBEnwEBAQgCHoYNAYQ2iGw?= =?us-ascii?q?FhUyNH4QDAYVGhU+CNYIljEyOPAEeAQFCg2pqiAF8AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.22,359,1449532800"; d="scan'208,217";a="230626118" Received: from rcdn-core-2.cisco.com ([173.37.93.153]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 28 Jan 2016 16:29:02 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-003.cisco.com (xch-aln-003.cisco.com [173.36.7.13]) by rcdn-core-2.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u0SGT2G6013790 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:29:02 GMT Received: from xch-aln-002.cisco.com (173.36.7.12) by XCH-ALN-003.cisco.com (173.36.7.13) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:29:01 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-002.cisco.com ([173.36.7.12]) by XCH-ALN-002.cisco.com ([173.36.7.12]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.009; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:29:01 -0600 From: "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" To: IETF Tools Development Thread-Topic: New RFC/ID Format and Tools Thread-Index: AQHRWej/rzy64cDODUaCgFzOXhbfuA== Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:29:01 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.4.202] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D2CF81C810B296aretanaciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] New RFC/ID Format and Tools X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 16:29:04 -0000 --_000_D2CF81C810B296aretanaciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi! While filling in for Kathleen.. We've been discussing in the IESG the potential impact of the new format, s= pecifically on the process to review documents . The consensus is that we = should go slow (not allow all the new features at the same time), but also = that we will most likely want to review the same formats we're reviewing to= day (I use the html version off the tools.ietf.org page, for example) -- th= e assumption is then that tools will take care of rendering any new charact= ers (for example) correctly and that there would be an indication if there = was a difference with respect to the canonical (if something couldn't be re= ndered correctly, for example). I'm assuming that these are topics that have already come up and that there= is already a plan in place for the tooling. Is there a pointer to the pla= n/tools/road map? Apologies if you have already talked to the IESG about i= t and I just didn't pay enough attention. Thanks! 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Hi!

While filling in for Kathleen..

We've been discussing in the IESG the potential impact of the new form= at, specifically on the process to review documents .  The consensus i= s that we should go slow (not allow all the new features at the same time),= but also that we will most likely want to review the same formats we're reviewing today (I use the html version o= ff the tools.ietf.org page, for example) -- the assumption is then that too= ls will take care of rendering any new characters (for example) correctly a= nd that there would be an indication if there was a difference with respect to the canonical (if something coul= dn't be rendered correctly, for example).

I'm assuming that these are topics that have already come up and that = there is already a plan in place for the tooling.  Is there a pointer = to the plan/tools/road map?  Apologies if you have already talked to t= he IESG about it and I just didn't pay enough attention. 

Thanks!

Alvaro. 

 
--_000_D2CF81C810B296aretanaciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Jan 28 09:01:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB0A81A8790 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:01:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fCAuz-M_2fm0 for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:01:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14CFE1A702B for ; Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:00:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from unnumerable.local (pool-173-57-158-165.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.57.158.165]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id u0SH0uUn018129 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK); Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:00:57 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host pool-173-57-158-165.dllstx.fios.verizon.net [173.57.158.165] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: tools-development@ietf.org, "Alvaro Retana (aretana)" References: From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <56AA4949.90309@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 11:00:57 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080000020704050301090408" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] New RFC/ID Format and Tools X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:01:02 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080000020704050301090408 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alvaro - The statements of work for developing the tools are here: You'll be particularly interested in xmlDiff I think. The rendering tools will report if something happens that is an exception in rendering (such as your "couldn't be rendered correctly" example). We have discussed several time whether we will provide something that attempts to diff between formats, and the conclusion has always been that such a thing is a project for AI researchers. The actual work on creating these tools is waiting for the format documents finish the approval process. RjS On 1/28/16 10:29 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote: > Hi! > > While filling in for Kathleen.. > > We've been discussing in the IESG the potential impact of the new > format, specifically on the process to review documents . The > consensus is that we should go slow (not allow all the new features at > the same time), but also that we will most likely want to review the > same formats we're reviewing today (I use the html version off the > tools.ietf.org page, for example) -- the assumption is then that tools > will take care of rendering any new characters (for example) correctly > and that there would be an indication if there was a difference with > respect to the canonical (if something couldn't be rendered correctly, > for example). > > I'm assuming that these are topics that have already come up and that > there is already a plan in place for the tooling. Is there a pointer > to the plan/tools/road map? Apologies if you have already talked to > the IESG about it and I just didn't pay enough attention. > > Thanks! > > Alvaro. > > > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --------------080000020704050301090408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Alvaro -

The statements of work for developing the tools are here:
<http://www.nostrum.com/~rjsparks/rfced/>
You'll be particularly interested in xmlDiff I think.

The rendering tools will report if something happens that is an exception in rendering (such as your "couldn't be rendered correctly" example).

We have discussed several time whether we will provide something that attempts to diff between formats, and the conclusion has always been that such a thing is a project for AI researchers.

The actual work on creating these tools is waiting for the format documents finish the approval process.

RjS

On 1/28/16 10:29 AM, Alvaro Retana (aretana) wrote:
Hi!

While filling in for Kathleen..

We've been discussing in the IESG the potential impact of the new format, specifically on the process to review documents .  The consensus is that we should go slow (not allow all the new features at the same time), but also that we will most likely want to review the same formats we're reviewing today (I use the html version off the tools.ietf.org page, for example) -- the assumption is then that tools will take care of rendering any new characters (for example) correctly and that there would be an indication if there was a difference with respect to the canonical (if something couldn't be rendered correctly, for example).

I'm assuming that these are topics that have already come up and that there is already a plan in place for the tooling.  Is there a pointer to the plan/tools/road map?  Apologies if you have already talked to the IESG about it and I just didn't pay enough attention. 

Thanks!

Alvaro. 

 


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--------------080000020704050301090408-- From nobody Fri Jan 29 09:02:02 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270F21A87EF for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:02:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RKQ10WjUq3PM for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:02:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DC3831A8837 for ; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:01:59 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30428 invoked by uid 0); 29 Jan 2016 17:01:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 29 Jan 2016 17:01:56 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id Bt1s1s0052SSUrH01t1vDw; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:01:55 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=FuSWoQbq c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=7aQ_Q-yQQ-AA:10 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=NEAV23lmAAAA:8 a=hcpbWDDEBK_MyuW3lCgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject; bh=vcrle7MVM3Go1CIt+9dMlEC5taTfbpNOXiSwOYvUHbI=; b=PE0lmNbWbcp+HsnE3XeJHGxW3qXyRyxmoC+QN13pj1gLbQ8UNu/KjwgO2SEL3HwECVhMDHKu8kVzot3U1Rg4J1oCmE7hkaHah92qQymjiHPCkmbViXX5qn2z8tejIewH; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:51563 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aPCQj-0000e1-2b for tools-development@ietf.org; Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:01:53 -0700 References: <56AB9AC3.90107@labn.net> To: IETF Tools Development From: Lou Berger X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <56AB9AC3.90107@labn.net> Message-ID: <56AB9AF6.7050200@labn.net> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:01:42 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.5.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56AB9AC3.90107@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: A possible way of keeping WG informed of github tracked issues? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 17:02:01 -0000 FYI -- sent to the new list -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: A possible way of keeping WG informed of github tracked issues? Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 12:00:51 -0500 From: Lou Berger To: ietf-and-github@ietf.org Hello, Having an automated way of keeping a WG informed of issues being tracked on gitub seems like a pretty critical enabler. Perhaps just having each WG added as a 'watcher' would work (see https://help.github.com/articles/about-notifications/) This also has the benefit of getting issues into a more permanent and easily located WG 'record'. Does anyone have any experience with this feature? Any alternate thoughts/experiences? Thanks, Lou PS Is anyone out there?