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In-Reply-To: <1043435409.10007.1463157827085.JavaMail.nobody@gjtx3tc118.webex.com> Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 13:18:16 -0400 Message-Id: References: <1043435409.10007.1463157827085.JavaMail.nobody@gjtx3tc118.webex.com> To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] WebEx meeting invitation: Tools Cmte X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 17:18:10 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_97082AAA-1EEA-4A7F-B634-134B4211E160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Ray: The tools call was moved from May 17th to May 24th quite some time ago. Russ On May 13, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: >=20 > Hello, > Ray Pelletier invites you to join this WebEx meeting. > =20 > Tools Cmte > Tuesday, May 17, 2016 > 1:00 pm | Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00) | 1 hr > =20 > Join WebEx meeting > Meeting number: 677 179 878 > =20 > Join by phone > 1-877-668-4490 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) > 1-408-792-6300 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Access code: 677 179 878 > Global call-in numbers | Toll-free calling restrictions > =20 > Add this meeting to your calendar. (Cannot add from mobile devices.) > =20 > Can't join the meeting? Contact support. > =20 > IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and = other information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be = discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this session, you = automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to being = recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not join the = session. > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --Apple-Mail=_97082AAA-1EEA-4A7F-B634-134B4211E160 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Ray:

The tools call was moved = from May 17th to May 24th quite some time = ago.

Russ


= On May 13, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Ray Pelletier <messenger@webex.com> = wrote:

Hello,
Ray = Pelletier invites you to join this WebEx = meeting.
 
Tools = Cmte
Tuesday, = May 17, 2016
1:00 = pm  |  Eastern Daylight Time (New York, = GMT-04:00)  |  1 hr
 
Join WebEx = meeting
Meeting number:677 179 878
 
Join by = phone
1-877-668-4490 Call-in toll-free number = (US/Canada)
1-408-792-6300 Call-in toll number = (US/Canada)
Access = code: 677 179 878
Global call-in = numbers  |  Toll-free calling = restrictions
 
Add this = meeting to your = calendar. (Cannot add from mobile = devices.)
 
Can't join = the meeting? Contact = support.
 
IMPORTANT = NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx service allows audio and other = information sent during the session to be recorded, which may be = discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this session, you = automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not consent to being = recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not join the = session.
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charset="us-ascii" standby for the webex change > On May 13, 2016, at 1:18 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Ray: >=20 > The tools call was moved from May 17th to May 24th quite some time = ago. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 > On May 13, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Ray Pelletier > wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> Hello, >> Ray Pelletier invites you to join this WebEx meeting. >> =20 >> Tools Cmte >> Tuesday, May 17, 2016 >> 1:00 pm | Eastern Daylight Time (New York, GMT-04:00) | 1 hr >> =20 >> Join WebEx meeting = >> Meeting number: 677 179 878 >> =20 >> Join by phone >> 1-877-668-4490 Call-in toll-free number (US/Canada) >> 1-408-792-6300 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) >> Access code: 677 179 878 >> Global call-in numbers = | Toll-free calling restrictions = >> =20 >> Add this meeting = to your calendar. 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On May 13, 2016, at 1:18 PM, = Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

Ray:

The = tools call was moved from May 17th to May 24th quite some time = ago.

Russ


On May 13, = 2016, at 12:43 PM, Ray Pelletier <messenger@webex.com>= wrote:

Hello,
Ray Pelletier invites you to join this WebEx = meeting.
 
Tools = Cmte
Tuesday, May 17, 2016
1:00 = pm  |  Eastern Daylight Time (New York, = GMT-04:00)  |  1 hr
 
Join WebEx meeting
Meeting number:677 179 878
 
Join by phone
1-877-668-4490 Call-in toll-free = number (US/Canada)
1-408-792-6300 Call-in toll = number (US/Canada)
Access code: 677 179 878
Global call-in = numbers  |  Toll-free calling = restrictions
 
Add = this meeting to = your calendar. (Cannot add from mobile = devices.)
 
Can't join the meeting? Contact = support.
 
IMPORTANT NOTICE: Please note that this WebEx = service allows audio and other information sent during the session to be = recorded, which may be discoverable in a legal matter. By joining this = session, you automatically consent to such recordings. If you do not = consent to being recorded, discuss your concerns with the host or do not = join the = session.
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<14D738CE-C33D-4AF9-A32F-840EA7E28C99@vigilsec.com> Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 16:31:28 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda for 24 May 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 20:31:23 -0000 Tools Call Agenda -- 24 May 2016 at 1:00 Eastern 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan - Contracts for Datatracker Enhancements -- Robert -- Interim Meeting Management -- Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests -- Review Tracking - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert - Merge Meeting Materials and Proceedings -- Robert - Author Statistics -- ON HOLD 2. Community & Other Projects - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert and Ryan - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe 3. RFC Services Projects - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org -- Henrik 5. Server Infrastructure - Migrate from Django 1.8 to 1.9 -- Henrik - Migrate from MySQL to PostgreSQL -- Henrik - CDN support for HTML and PDF I-Ds -- Henrik 6. IDIQ Contractors - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray 7. Parking Lot - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub 8. AOB From nobody Tue May 24 05:15:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA50D12D694 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 05:15:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FF_HrC2VUMCf for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 05:15:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 198CF12D68F for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 05:15:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4912 invoked by uid 0); 24 May 2016 12:15:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 24 May 2016 12:15:17 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id yCFB1s00j2SSUrH01CFEls; Tue, 24 May 2016 06:15:17 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=EftbHpWC c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=yrkiwgmsf1kA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=ir0z7U_d0t0qN1V_RZEA:9 a=ukKW3r_YjrKj0TjE:21 a=dTJrIUVVTPbi4lw3:21 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject; bh=FJkPYGdNw4lhESqCtKQDM2b/sX6ZV+J2TKK0YJaoa20=; b=LUqtsJojLnS8xjyMMJOQrnKbGb y85q94O+fFP7q4vj4Z12QpyDC7vuMLDL2kJzXzT8pSHIlGL2YHX1qBWoZC5Bnk1hmCEoyVkTUQle2 IftgK0+rI40SFoyshJp75jmNc; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:49145 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1b5BEt-0002a4-Di; Tue, 24 May 2016 06:15:11 -0600 To: Russ Housley , IETF Tools Development References: <14D738CE-C33D-4AF9-A32F-840EA7E28C99@vigilsec.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <574445CA.9070306@labn.net> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 08:15:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <14D738CE-C33D-4AF9-A32F-840EA7E28C99@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda for 24 May 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 12:15:26 -0000 Russ, I have a just scheduled conflict, but I was really on going to attend for the TMC portion of the call. Per the Agenda, there won't be one anyway -- is this correct, i.e., that there won't be a TMC call? Thanks, Lou On 5/13/2016 4:31 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > Tools Call Agenda -- 24 May 2016 at 1:00 Eastern > > 1. Datatracker Projects > - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik > -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan > - Contracts for Datatracker Enhancements -- Robert > -- Interim Meeting Management > -- Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests > -- Review Tracking > - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert > - Merge Meeting Materials and Proceedings -- Robert > - Author Statistics -- ON HOLD > > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert and Ryan > - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe > > 3. RFC Services Projects > - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather > -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics > - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather > - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert > - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather > > 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools > - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org -- Henrik > > 5. Server Infrastructure > - Migrate from Django 1.8 to 1.9 -- Henrik > - Migrate from MySQL to PostgreSQL -- Henrik > - CDN support for HTML and PDF I-Ds -- Henrik > > 6. IDIQ Contractors > - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray > > 7. Parking Lot > - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert > - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert > - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert > - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? > - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik > - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert > - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub > > 8. 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From nobody Tue May 24 10:04:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BB4C12D911 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 10:04:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sb_0FtHb9JGl for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 10:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B092A12D912 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ronin.smetech.net [209.135.209.5]) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14AFF24013; Tue, 24 May 2016 12:43:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from mail.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O-7b6jwMYPCY; Tue, 24 May 2016 12:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59DAAF240C5; Tue, 24 May 2016 12:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <574445CA.9070306@labn.net> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 12:43:20 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <0B066A73-5031-42E4-BE1F-5C410238EE36@vigilsec.com> References: <14D738CE-C33D-4AF9-A32F-840EA7E28C99@vigilsec.com> <574445CA.9070306@labn.net> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda for 24 May 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 17:04:12 -0000 Lou: I do not have any TMC agenda items. Russ On May 24, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > Russ, > I have a just scheduled conflict, but I was really on going to > attend for the TMC portion of the call. Per the Agenda, there won't be > one anyway -- is this correct, i.e., that there won't be a TMC call? > > Thanks, > Lou > On 5/13/2016 4:31 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >> Tools Call Agenda -- 24 May 2016 at 1:00 Eastern >> >> 1. Datatracker Projects >> - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik >> -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan >> - Contracts for Datatracker Enhancements -- Robert >> -- Interim Meeting Management >> -- Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests >> -- Review Tracking >> - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert >> - Merge Meeting Materials and Proceedings -- Robert >> - Author Statistics -- ON HOLD >> >> 2. Community & Other Projects >> - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert and Ryan >> - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe >> >> 3. RFC Services Projects >> - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather >> -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics >> - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather >> - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert >> - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather >> >> 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools >> - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org -- Henrik >> >> 5. Server Infrastructure >> - Migrate from Django 1.8 to 1.9 -- Henrik >> - Migrate from MySQL to PostgreSQL -- Henrik >> - CDN support for HTML and PDF I-Ds -- Henrik >> >> 6. IDIQ Contractors >> - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray >> >> 7. Parking Lot >> - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert >> - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert >> - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert >> - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? >> - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik >> - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert >> - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub >> >> 8. AOB >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> > > From nobody Tue May 24 10:04:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCB8D12D918 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 10:04:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aZ1tvc42tTwC for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 10:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B04D112D910 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 10:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ronin.smetech.net [209.135.209.5]) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40F2BF240C6; Tue, 24 May 2016 12:45:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from mail.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qEYJapgN+vXu; Tue, 24 May 2016 12:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71C1F240C5; Tue, 24 May 2016 12:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <0B066A73-5031-42E4-BE1F-5C410238EE36@vigilsec.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 12:45:47 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <86CB482C-D013-4344-BD19-A9A62039639B@vigilsec.com> References: <14D738CE-C33D-4AF9-A32F-840EA7E28C99@vigilsec.com> <574445CA.9070306@labn.net> <0B066A73-5031-42E4-BE1F-5C410238EE36@vigilsec.com> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda for 24 May 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 17:04:14 -0000 Lou: I just found out that one topic is ready for discussion. I=92ll start a = thread on the TMC mail list. Russ On May 24, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > Lou: >=20 > I do not have any TMC agenda items. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 > On May 24, 2016, at 8:15 AM, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 >> Russ, >> I have a just scheduled conflict, but I was really on going to >> attend for the TMC portion of the call. Per the Agenda, there won't = be >> one anyway -- is this correct, i.e., that there won't be a TMC call? >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Lou >> On 5/13/2016 4:31 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >>> Tools Call Agenda -- 24 May 2016 at 1:00 Eastern >>>=20 >>> 1. Datatracker Projects >>> - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik >>> -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan >>> - Contracts for Datatracker Enhancements -- Robert >>> -- Interim Meeting Management >>> -- Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests >>> -- Review Tracking >>> - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert >>> - Merge Meeting Materials and Proceedings -- Robert >>> - Author Statistics -- ON HOLD >>>=20 >>> 2. Community & Other Projects >>> - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert and Ryan >>> - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe >>>=20 >>> 3. RFC Services Projects >>> - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather >>> -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics >>> - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather >>> - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert >>> - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather >>>=20 >>> 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools >>> - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org -- = Henrik >>>=20 >>> 5. Server Infrastructure >>> - Migrate from Django 1.8 to 1.9 -- Henrik >>> - Migrate from MySQL to PostgreSQL -- Henrik >>> - CDN support for HTML and PDF I-Ds -- Henrik >>>=20 >>> 6. IDIQ Contractors >>> - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray >>>=20 >>> 7. Parking Lot >>> - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert >>> - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- = Robert >>> - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert >>> - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? >>> - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik >>> - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert >>> - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub >>>=20 >>> 8. AOB >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From nobody Tue May 24 11:26:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACB212D11A for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:26:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uniwTHxoiJ7J for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D21612D0C8 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:26:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ronin.smetech.net [209.135.209.5]) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA7FAF240C2 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 14:26:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from mail.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XQWPw+PpMJI0 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 14:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741B6F24013 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 14:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_128A3198-B64D-45AC-BDB5-833CC1D4B66A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <175360694.10328.1463161328429.JavaMail.nobody@gjtx3tc118.webex.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 14:25:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4D305BE7-2496-4B12-BED1-772B62C782CE@vigilsec.com> References: <175360694.10328.1463161328429.JavaMail.nobody@gjtx3tc118.webex.com> To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Schedule for the June Tools Call X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:26:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_128A3198-B64D-45AC-BDB5-833CC1D4B66A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 The IAB has scheduled a workshop that collides with the June 2016 tools = call. If we do not change the date, then Jari, Robert and I will miss = the call. I suggest we move the call to 16 June 2016 at 1:00pm Eastern (48 hours = later than is currently planned). Please let me know if this works. If = not, I=92ll do a doodle. Russ --Apple-Mail=_128A3198-B64D-45AC-BDB5-833CC1D4B66A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 The = IAB has scheduled a workshop that collides with the June 2016 tools = call.  If we do not change the date, then Jari, Robert and I will = miss the call.

I suggest we move the call to 16 June = 2016 at 1:00pm Eastern (48 hours later than is currently planned). =  Please let me know if this works.  If not, I=92ll do a = doodle.

Russ

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I also expect to share with groups like the Tools = team, IESG, etc. And, the current plan is to engage in a broader =93beta=94= test.=20 Once I have an update on the progress of some specific tasks, I could = share a timeline, if that would be helpful. -Greg > On May 24, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Greg: >=20 > I reported these two points on the call today. There was a question = that needs a response from you or Joe. >=20 > The proposal said that a group from the community will test the new = site before it transitions to production. How is that happening? >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 > On May 24, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Greg Wood wrote: >=20 >> Russ, >>=20 >> There=92s a US Senate hearing that I=92m in at the moment and is = taking longer than expect. At this point its doubtful I=92ll make the = call so I wanted to provide a brief update (which Joe may wish to amend = or expand). >>=20 >> Two items at the fore right now of the www.ietf.org project: >>=20 >> - working through (with Robert and Ray) the additional SOW to = incorporate people/grousp from datatracker into www >> - working through acceptance checklist and transition to AMS server >>=20 >> Other areas of work such as content transition and documentation are = ongoing, of course. >>=20 >> -Greg >=20 From nobody Tue May 24 11:41:05 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 261FB12D9CB for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:41:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pgvMuCHrA9hT for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E54F12D9D6 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:39:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ronin.smetech.net [209.135.209.5]) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4467CF240C9; Tue, 24 May 2016 14:39:18 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from mail.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vOOVTfz9SqHb; Tue, 24 May 2016 14:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0E9CF24013; Tue, 24 May 2016 14:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <8033E431-ED8B-427A-9B92-EA3A3F9CCDC4@isoc.org> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 14:39:17 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <14D738CE-C33D-4AF9-A32F-840EA7E28C99@vigilsec.com> <4C0D8F25-83E0-461B-AF23-F5AEA0606979@vigilsec.com> <8033E431-ED8B-427A-9B92-EA3A3F9CCDC4@isoc.org> To: Greg Wood X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda for 24 May 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:41:03 -0000 Yes, I=92d like the whole team to see the timeline when it is available. Russ On May 24, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Greg Wood wrote: > Russ, >=20 > In part, I expect we will reach out to the same groups of folks from = the Key Audiences defined in the SOW that we gathered to provide input = to the design process. I also expect to share with groups like the Tools = team, IESG, etc. And, the current plan is to engage in a broader =93beta=94= test.=20 >=20 > Once I have an update on the progress of some specific tasks, I could = share a timeline, if that would be helpful. >=20 > -Greg >=20 >> On May 24, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >>=20 >> Greg: >>=20 >> I reported these two points on the call today. There was a question = that needs a response from you or Joe. >>=20 >> The proposal said that a group from the community will test the new = site before it transitions to production. How is that happening? >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >>=20 >> On May 24, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Greg Wood wrote: >>=20 >>> Russ, >>>=20 >>> There=92s a US Senate hearing that I=92m in at the moment and is = taking longer than expect. At this point its doubtful I=92ll make the = call so I wanted to provide a brief update (which Joe may wish to amend = or expand). >>>=20 >>> Two items at the fore right now of the www.ietf.org project: >>>=20 >>> - working through (with Robert and Ray) the additional SOW to = incorporate people/grousp from datatracker into www >>> - working through acceptance checklist and transition to AMS server >>>=20 >>> Other areas of work such as content transition and documentation are = ongoing, of course. >>>=20 >>> -Greg >>=20 >=20 From nobody Tue May 24 11:41:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C168A12D877 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:41:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QAaSISgW5zv6 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC31312D994 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:31:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ronin.smetech.net [209.135.209.5]) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83720F240C2; Tue, 24 May 2016 14:31:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from mail.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GiN4HOKz8Fwi; Tue, 24 May 2016 14:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1798F240C4; Tue, 24 May 2016 14:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 14:31:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4C0D8F25-83E0-461B-AF23-F5AEA0606979@vigilsec.com> References: <14D738CE-C33D-4AF9-A32F-840EA7E28C99@vigilsec.com> To: Greg Wood , Joe Hildebrand X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda for 24 May 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:41:28 -0000 Greg: I reported these two points on the call today. There was a question = that needs a response from you or Joe. The proposal said that a group from the community will test the new site = before it transitions to production. How is that happening? Russ On May 24, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Greg Wood wrote: > Russ, >=20 > There=92s a US Senate hearing that I=92m in at the moment and is = taking longer than expect. At this point its doubtful I=92ll make the = call so I wanted to provide a brief update (which Joe may wish to amend = or expand). >=20 > Two items at the fore right now of the www.ietf.org project: >=20 > - working through (with Robert and Ray) the additional SOW to = incorporate people/grousp from datatracker into www > - working through acceptance checklist and transition to AMS server >=20 > Other areas of work such as content transition and documentation are = ongoing, of course. >=20 > -Greg From nobody Tue May 24 11:41:47 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB3F312D877 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:41:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rR1GdanfWBSM for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:41:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C0E812D996 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:31:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 705E31E5D81 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8HhaRpGIqP7R for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [207.118.1.166]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 394E91E5D7B for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <175360694.10328.1463161328429.JavaMail.nobody@gjtx3tc118.webex.com> <4D305BE7-2496-4B12-BED1-772B62C782CE@vigilsec.com> From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" Message-ID: <36d56680-dccb-0db8-89e8-27dd6db1f451@rfc-editor.org> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 11:31:24 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4D305BE7-2496-4B12-BED1-772B62C782CE@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------75BCF9CF6435D10B10823ED7" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Schedule for the June Tools Call X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:41:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------75BCF9CF6435D10B10823ED7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I am blocked that week regardless (will be in Prague at the TERENA Networking Conference) but will be happy to email in my updates. -heather On 5/24/16 11:25 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > The IAB has scheduled a workshop that collides with the June 2016 > tools call. If we do not change the date, then Jari, Robert and I > will miss the call. > > I suggest we move the call to 16 June 2016 at 1:00pm Eastern (48 hours > later than is currently planned). Please let me know if this works. > If not, I’ll do a doodle. > > Russ > > > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --------------75BCF9CF6435D10B10823ED7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I am blocked that week regardless (will be in Prague at the TERENA Networking Conference) but will be happy to email in my updates.

-heather

On 5/24/16 11:25 AM, Russ Housley wrote:
The IAB has scheduled a workshop that collides with the June 2016 tools call.  If we do not change the date, then Jari, Robert and I will miss the call.

I suggest we move the call to 16 June 2016 at 1:00pm Eastern (48 hours later than is currently planned).  Please let me know if this works.  If not, I’ll do a doodle.

Russ



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--------------75BCF9CF6435D10B10823ED7-- From nobody Tue May 24 11:42:10 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B202B12D877 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:41:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BDxr_eugWs2k for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 14A1312D993 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:30:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:55609 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1b5H6X-0003DW-Uv; Tue, 24 May 2016 11:30:58 -0700 Message-ID: <57449DDA.6030203@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 20:30:50 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley , IETF Tools Development References: <175360694.10328.1463161328429.JavaMail.nobody@gjtx3tc118.webex.com> <4D305BE7-2496-4B12-BED1-772B62C782CE@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <4D305BE7-2496-4B12-BED1-772B62C782CE@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sj0akoSGJ1K5JiBioqTmUc1uSSv4tkDB6" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Schedule for the June Tools Call X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:41:48 -0000 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 18:41:48 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --sj0akoSGJ1K5JiBioqTmUc1uSSv4tkDB6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-05-24 20:25, Russ Housley wrote: > The IAB has scheduled a workshop that collides with the June 2016 tools= call. If we do not change the date, then Jari, Robert and I will miss t= he call. >=20 > I suggest we move the call to 16 June 2016 at 1:00pm Eastern (48 hours = later than is currently planned). Please let me know if this works. If = not, I=E2=80=99ll do a doodle. Works for me. 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If we do not change the date, then Jari, Robert and I will = miss the call. >>=20 >> I suggest we move the call to 16 June 2016 at 1:00pm Eastern (48 = hours later than is currently planned). Please let me know if this = works. If not, I=E2=80=99ll do a doodle. >=20 > Works for me. >=20 > Henrik >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Tue May 24 13:33:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DE3812D515 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 13:33:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m7Epq2zQChva for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 13:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5589912D1B1 for ; Tue, 24 May 2016 13:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ronin.smetech.net [209.135.209.5]) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F9E3F240C6; Tue, 24 May 2016 16:33:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from mail.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7xOhSd+patdE; Tue, 24 May 2016 16:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3879F240C2; Tue, 24 May 2016 16:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 16:33:37 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Please review text about licenses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 20:33:51 -0000 During the AMS + IETF Leadership meeting earlier this month, there was a discussion of licenses on volunteer-developed code for things other than the Datatracker. I'm proposing some text for the tools wiki: Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use libraries with any license that the wish. That said, we strongly prefer libraries with no end user loyalty. If there is a strong possibility that the resulting tool will become critical to the IETF community, then there is a very strong preference for the BSD license since that is used in so many of the tools that are maintained by the IETF community. Critical code that uses a license other than the BSD license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. Please review and comment. Russ From nobody Wed May 25 01:32:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC29412D137 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 01:31:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EG5ZtlRoRFlo for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 01:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2A6A812B026 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 01:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:54120 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1b5UEO-00006Z-G6; Wed, 25 May 2016 01:31:57 -0700 Message-ID: <574562EE.4060007@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 10:31:42 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley , IETF Tools Development References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cSX2AuxkWMTJ435KPdJ3jbnlPOvLcXD8M" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Please review text about licenses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 08:32:00 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --cSX2AuxkWMTJ435KPdJ3jbnlPOvLcXD8M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Russ, On 2016-05-24 22:33, Russ Housley wrote: > During the AMS + IETF Leadership meeting earlier this month, there was = a > discussion of licenses on volunteer-developed code for things other tha= n > the Datatracker. I'm proposing some text for the tools wiki: >=20 > Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use > libraries with any license that the wish. That said, we strongly s/the wish/they wish/ > prefer libraries with no end user loyalty. If there is a strong s/loyalty/royalty/ ? > possibility that the resulting tool will become critical to the IETF= > community, then there is a very strong preference for the BSD licens= e > since that is used in so many of the tools that are maintained by th= e > IETF community. Critical code that uses a license other than the BS= D > license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. >=20 > Please review and comment. Overall: =20 * There are 2 BSD licenses in common use, the 2-clause and the 3-clause. The license used in the IETF Trust Legal Provisions is the 3-clause license. To cover both, maybe say 'a BSD license' instead of 'the BSD license'. * The text seems to talk about license on the created code and license on libraries used by that code in an intermingled manner. Mayb= e separate out the two, and talk about each more explicitly? Proposal: Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use any license for the code that they wish, and use libraries with any license that they wish. That said, we strongly prefer libraries with no end user royalty. If there is a strong possibility that the resulting tool will become critical to the IETF community, then there is a very strong preference that the tool is licensed under a BSD license since the BSD 3-clause license[1] is used in so many of the tools that are maintained by the IETF community, and that any libraries it calls are compatible with the tool being licensed under a BSD license. Critical code that uses a license other than a BSD license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. 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[209.6.124.204]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 138sm2157228qkh.41.2016.05.25.04.06.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 May 2016 04:06:26 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (12H143) In-Reply-To: <574562EE.4060007@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 07:06:25 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3BC2C9F3-BD89-4EB5-BFE9-5A3602AA9D2C@gmail.com> References: <574562EE.4060007@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Please review text about licenses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 11:06:30 -0000 Should you also include the MIT license? Our lawyers have us use that becau= se there is no ambiguity with versions and it matches one of the BSD license= s, probably the one Henrik is recommending. Kathleen=20 Sent from my iPhone > On May 25, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote= : >=20 > Hi Russ, >=20 >> On 2016-05-24 22:33, Russ Housley wrote: >> During the AMS + IETF Leadership meeting earlier this month, there was a >> discussion of licenses on volunteer-developed code for things other than >> the Datatracker. I'm proposing some text for the tools wiki: >>=20 >> Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use >> libraries with any license that the wish. That said, we strongly > s/the wish/they wish/ >=20 >> prefer libraries with no end user loyalty. If there is a strong > s/loyalty/royalty/ ? >=20 >> possibility that the resulting tool will become critical to the IETF >> community, then there is a very strong preference for the BSD license >> since that is used in so many of the tools that are maintained by the >> IETF community. Critical code that uses a license other than the BSD >> license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. >>=20 >> Please review and comment. >=20 > Overall: =20 >=20 > * There are 2 BSD licenses in common use, the 2-clause and the > 3-clause. The license used in the IETF Trust Legal Provisions is the > 3-clause license. To cover both, maybe say 'a BSD license' instead of > 'the BSD license'. >=20 > * The text seems to talk about license on the created code and > license on libraries used by that code in an intermingled manner. Maybe > separate out the two, and talk about each more explicitly? >=20 > Proposal: >=20 > Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use any > license for the code that they wish, and use libraries with any > license that they wish. That said, we strongly prefer libraries with > no end user royalty. If there is a strong possibility that the > resulting tool will become critical to the IETF community, then there > is a very strong preference that the tool is licensed under a BSD > license since the BSD 3-clause license[1] is used in so many of the > tools that are maintained by the IETF community, and that any > libraries it calls are compatible with the tool being licensed under > a BSD license. Critical code that uses a license other than a BSD > license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. >=20 > [1] https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause >=20 >=20 > Best regards, >=20 > Henrik >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Wed May 25 05:30:32 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 866DB12D580 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 05:30:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D1Pqm2x3Y8mx for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 05:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D58CC12D112 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 05:29:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:58258 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1b5Xwi-0004Ny-EJ; Wed, 25 May 2016 05:29:57 -0700 Message-ID: <57459ABC.9040508@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 14:29:48 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com References: <574562EE.4060007@levkowetz.com> <3BC2C9F3-BD89-4EB5-BFE9-5A3602AA9D2C@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <3BC2C9F3-BD89-4EB5-BFE9-5A3602AA9D2C@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="n2kX28pqNu6vufus0BxCbUqMIwJJNmEHU" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com, kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Please review text about licenses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 12:30:28 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --n2kX28pqNu6vufus0BxCbUqMIwJJNmEHU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-05-25 13:06, kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com wrote: > Should you also include the MIT license? Our lawyers have us use that > because there is no ambiguity with versions and it matches one of the > BSD licenses, probably the one Henrik is recommending. They are similar, but the MIT licence[2] is more open, and doesn't have t= he endorsement or promotion restriction which the 3-clause BSD has. I think= it's in the interest of the IETF to have such a clause. I'd recommend staying with the 3-clause BSD as the recommended license for IETF tools. [2] https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT Henrik > Kathleen=20 >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 >> On May 25, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Henrik Levkowetz w= rote: >>=20 >> Hi Russ, >>=20 >>> On 2016-05-24 22:33, Russ Housley wrote: >>> During the AMS + IETF Leadership meeting earlier this month, there wa= s a >>> discussion of licenses on volunteer-developed code for things other t= han >>> the Datatracker. I'm proposing some text for the tools wiki: >>>=20 >>> Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use >>> libraries with any license that the wish. That said, we strongly >> s/the wish/they wish/ >>=20 >>> prefer libraries with no end user loyalty. If there is a strong >> s/loyalty/royalty/ ? >>=20 >>> possibility that the resulting tool will become critical to the IET= F >>> community, then there is a very strong preference for the BSD licen= se >>> since that is used in so many of the tools that are maintained by t= he >>> IETF community. Critical code that uses a license other than the B= SD >>> license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. >>>=20 >>> Please review and comment. >>=20 >> Overall: =20 >>=20 >> * There are 2 BSD licenses in common use, the 2-clause and the >> 3-clause. The license used in the IETF Trust Legal Provisions is the= >> 3-clause license. To cover both, maybe say 'a BSD license' instead o= f >> 'the BSD license'. >>=20 >> * The text seems to talk about license on the created code and >> license on libraries used by that code in an intermingled manner. Ma= ybe >> separate out the two, and talk about each more explicitly? >>=20 >> Proposal: >>=20 >> Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use any >> license for the code that they wish, and use libraries with any >> license that they wish. That said, we strongly prefer libraries wit= h >> no end user royalty. If there is a strong possibility that the >> resulting tool will become critical to the IETF community, then ther= e >> is a very strong preference that the tool is licensed under a BSD >> license since the BSD 3-clause license[1] is used in so many of the >> tools that are maintained by the IETF community, and that any >> libraries it calls are compatible with the tool being licensed under= >> a BSD license. Critical code that uses a license other than a BSD >> license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. >>=20 >> [1] https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause >>=20 >>=20 >> Best regards, >>=20 >> Henrik >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 --n2kX28pqNu6vufus0BxCbUqMIwJJNmEHU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXRZq9AAoJEE6bV0uPuxca7T8P/1ju77xNsANWClu5ahcPGYng Jiq1cODtjfFzb+l5DqeMGxZb2bpePJJ1gW3AcShJeSxqip1nc75sBTz7YB60PAQI ze6QEucW7PljNjZO/5F6ie+P0ZRunlOiqbkEanciM73503Hz0nexU+jvZ58AMgc8 TCoayFB90TcrAYBlJEr/eyGr8c/fUi4vGFigvfu9Ft78mbWIaU6orNy+AveGOfvO jfAKquJNAlgRNlpN03BLF81vaMBAz1b2Ki6NDVVaqHweGlH84vXWPnHcKFHsccFn 9OcJuiXYwVZtwdjD1hjZI9AF3hwQMIL2WEOOW2xM+2MhabNWnSyxBN1Ngcv/baWH XL8e+Pcc3EVGIhKM1G1QwQsm06A5VonUB8gOAP0pGZoqg7461SYXrFRNrb/ReB+l mdZqNBIYAb/14dVCBdHjRSVhKdM6m8nup6MJ7MVSiR2apz80+ILyb+M98Z6UeZiE JXwV9d/W/y6o4FHyXIZFK3lAvg7+uuqAwclbb2Uycxf4vADwVLFwcxveV9OWl9Um r2p8xwfERvZGOVmchrBnXdCt/odyLymk3E5wrDlDRv5T1s95uw3qmN771p4dm7DT 8J1yLjxoT0/7o23uk9RTFyKWKeGn8Bqy/eqk4nn/fTnq3MeZsme+gSt8wBxR2f1S Hp2dQ+Rm6eqiFNF20fpi =bdh1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --n2kX28pqNu6vufus0BxCbUqMIwJJNmEHU-- From nobody Wed May 25 06:49:51 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA58D12DC78 for ; 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OK. I expect to be able to share that next week. -Greg >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 > On May 24, 2016, at 2:37 PM, Greg Wood wrote: >=20 >> Russ, >>=20 >> In part, I expect we will reach out to the same groups of folks from = the Key Audiences defined in the SOW that we gathered to provide input = to the design process. I also expect to share with groups like the Tools = team, IESG, etc. And, the current plan is to engage in a broader =93beta=94= test.=20 >>=20 >> Once I have an update on the progress of some specific tasks, I could = share a timeline, if that would be helpful. >>=20 >> -Greg >>=20 >>> On May 24, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Greg: >>>=20 >>> I reported these two points on the call today. There was a question = that needs a response from you or Joe. >>>=20 >>> The proposal said that a group from the community will test the new = site before it transitions to production. How is that happening? >>>=20 >>> Russ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On May 24, 2016, at 12:11 PM, Greg Wood wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Russ, >>>>=20 >>>> There=92s a US Senate hearing that I=92m in at the moment and is = taking longer than expect. At this point its doubtful I=92ll make the = call so I wanted to provide a brief update (which Joe may wish to amend = or expand). >>>>=20 >>>> Two items at the fore right now of the www.ietf.org project: >>>>=20 >>>> - working through (with Robert and Ray) the additional SOW to = incorporate people/grousp from datatracker into www >>>> - working through acceptance checklist and transition to AMS server >>>>=20 >>>> Other areas of work such as content transition and documentation = are ongoing, of course. >>>>=20 >>>> -Greg >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 From nobody Wed May 25 08:36:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D89DD12D7E7 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 08:36:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qhz3q-0TYRPW for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 08:36:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F63E12D857 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 08:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ronin.smetech.net [209.135.209.5]) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65711F24045; Wed, 25 May 2016 11:34:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from mail.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bRzY07FMylww; Wed, 25 May 2016 11:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6946F2402A; Wed, 25 May 2016 11:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_64828C65-B57C-4CF0-B9F6-40AF5255BD90"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <574562EE.4060007@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 11:34:49 -0400 Message-Id: References: <574562EE.4060007@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Please review text about licenses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 15:36:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_64828C65-B57C-4CF0-B9F6-40AF5255BD90 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for the significant improvements. Russ On May 25, 2016, at 4:31 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Russ, > > On 2016-05-24 22:33, Russ Housley wrote: >> During the AMS + IETF Leadership meeting earlier this month, there was a >> discussion of licenses on volunteer-developed code for things other than >> the Datatracker. I'm proposing some text for the tools wiki: >> >> Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use >> libraries with any license that the wish. That said, we strongly > s/the wish/they wish/ > >> prefer libraries with no end user loyalty. If there is a strong > s/loyalty/royalty/ ? > >> possibility that the resulting tool will become critical to the IETF >> community, then there is a very strong preference for the BSD license >> since that is used in so many of the tools that are maintained by the >> IETF community. Critical code that uses a license other than the BSD >> license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. >> >> Please review and comment. > > Overall: > > * There are 2 BSD licenses in common use, the 2-clause and the > 3-clause. The license used in the IETF Trust Legal Provisions is the > 3-clause license. To cover both, maybe say 'a BSD license' instead of > 'the BSD license'. > > * The text seems to talk about license on the created code and > license on libraries used by that code in an intermingled manner. Maybe > separate out the two, and talk about each more explicitly? > > Proposal: > > Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use any > license for the code that they wish, and use libraries with any > license that they wish. That said, we strongly prefer libraries with > no end user royalty. If there is a strong possibility that the > resulting tool will become critical to the IETF community, then there > is a very strong preference that the tool is licensed under a BSD > license since the BSD 3-clause license[1] is used in so many of the > tools that are maintained by the IETF community, and that any > libraries it calls are compatible with the tool being licensed under > a BSD license. Critical code that uses a license other than a BSD > license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. > > [1] https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause > > > Best regards, > > Henrik > --Apple-Mail=_64828C65-B57C-4CF0-B9F6-40AF5255BD90 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAldFxh8ACgkQiuTu0PWcEcsinQCfeto0aX0l7CqastNlFDUY4co1 9T4AoOGnx56YqAsJHuUFqYba0jiojbvo =bAfL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_64828C65-B57C-4CF0-B9F6-40AF5255BD90-- From nobody Wed May 25 09:04:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C52E12D79C for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 09:04:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wsWvohvm6uiM for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 09:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8301C12D7EE for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 09:04:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ronin.smetech.net [209.135.209.5]) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69249F240C7 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 12:04:11 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from mail.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PCQ4jfB+osoG for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 11:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01B3CF24045 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 12:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F47F506E-06C5-43E9-8141-4858E6D2B6C0"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <574562EE.4060007@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 12:03:58 -0400 Message-Id: References: <574562EE.4060007@levkowetz.com> To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Please review text about licenses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 16:04:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F47F506E-06C5-43E9-8141-4858E6D2B6C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use any > license for the code that they wish, and use libraries with any > license that they wish. That said, we strongly prefer libraries with > no end user royalty. If there is a strong possibility that the > resulting tool will become critical to the IETF community, then there > is a very strong preference that the tool is licensed under a BSD > license since the BSD 3-clause license[1] is used in so many of the > tools that are maintained by the IETF community, and that any > libraries it calls are compatible with the tool being licensed under > a BSD license. Critical code that uses a license other than a BSD > license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. > > [1] https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause Where on the wiki do you think this should appear? Russ --Apple-Mail=_F47F506E-06C5-43E9-8141-4858E6D2B6C0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAldFzP8ACgkQiuTu0PWcEcudUgCgjq7cX9uIWbCZs42OGeCLusx5 7bkAn3lM64lhq/RhdSL93M+cfx5jVDC4 =zrpN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_F47F506E-06C5-43E9-8141-4858E6D2B6C0-- From nobody Wed May 25 13:35:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFAE012D197 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 13:35:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hC65hPARy0FS for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57DA112D128 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 13:34:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:50686 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1b5fW6-0007EC-8Q; Wed, 25 May 2016 13:34:58 -0700 Message-ID: <57460C6A.3080204@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 22:34:50 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley , IETF Tools Development References: <574562EE.4060007@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="p9N0BCIe0ENDovDdERAlnmaUPtABQu6vj" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Please review text about licenses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 20:35:01 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --p9N0BCIe0ENDovDdERAlnmaUPtABQu6vj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-05-25 18:03, Russ Housley wrote: >=20 >> Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use any >> license for the code that they wish, and use libraries with any >> license that they wish. That said, we strongly prefer libraries wit= h >> no end user royalty. If there is a strong possibility that the >> resulting tool will become critical to the IETF community, then ther= e >> is a very strong preference that the tool is licensed under a BSD >> license since the BSD 3-clause license[1] is used in so many of the >> tools that are maintained by the IETF community, and that any >> libraries it calls are compatible with the tool being licensed under= >> a BSD license. Critical code that uses a license other than a BSD >> license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. >>=20 >> [1] https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause >=20 > Where on the wiki do you think this should appear? How about=20 https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/LicensingPreferences with links from https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ https://www.ietf.org/tools/tools.html https://www.ietf.org/tools/ https://tools.ietf.org/ ? Henrik --p9N0BCIe0ENDovDdERAlnmaUPtABQu6vj Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXRgxrAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcauX8QALEufU9gfBjnTUJMotQwDdMO vVIN2kqKTBZuyzkb9v+qltpEWGWDNHDvv9Bxh+euoseEOvMGlTEMjyEv8VexeNTJ rpXhlr/tT3FXQ714TEbTzs/3/aicetuQKgqrq13QuxIfsUPT6Tx8S6Sjegajp8rB QTdL5RbSUfMnoZU37kZtZCQ8mKVbMIZTLr4uBnRpVwahcwY8DPpnGfUepY89YwbL 8FTZKZLKLrcrgxS1z9HT7BPsfeN13H3VFXjyTNaE3WtMKfLn3BqqHJaAei3BJ1Lz 5FyNWlH28txwMzoBjXdhAE7dBh+VUidwncv59TWvc57SdvgEvarHrpejxmBTRujE iIwagf/9fNs67XIYwyt0IPZD+goO9xBVxXvup7p0+fvLcjxhLI1I8l+DM1r0F2BK VD8kzegwIoQ8Ysfait3EdzikkUduXM+gQmvde+O0sMKDgCohLjT1xMAYIVD0kHCc tRxRruV1J7IYtivSwZraMt080d9aviUdKR+r5wIVOgQ0xF1H9AE2ox2FXDP4KsYp aWUcDFadga9zbmc2gE/WNG0W4wkjolOB2TxfhHD681dxX0/OKsTdA0zClwFy/UBX OZv2fZN0tulIjen26kOxcxkDKgTiTAA0BPIttmfOIXXubKCp1vno5q+xBRXatsYE cOgtPqAMG9lO+5FRf7xF =iV+p -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --p9N0BCIe0ENDovDdERAlnmaUPtABQu6vj-- From nobody Wed May 25 13:42:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90B8112DD69 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 13:42:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TzLffkNvTp4E for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 13:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AC512D0E7 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 13:42:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ronin.smetech.net [209.135.209.5]) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BDF7F240CA; Wed, 25 May 2016 16:42:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from mail.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VqMzzxJtOVZp; Wed, 25 May 2016 16:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF5CEF24061; Wed, 25 May 2016 16:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <57460C6A.3080204@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 16:42:41 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9F6A4385-C44C-4963-922C-0F2D159226E9@vigilsec.com> References: <574562EE.4060007@levkowetz.com> <57460C6A.3080204@levkowetz.com> To: Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Please review text about licenses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 20:42:48 -0000 > On 2016-05-25 18:03, Russ Housley wrote: >> >>> Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use any >>> license for the code that they wish, and use libraries with any >>> license that they wish. That said, we strongly prefer libraries with >>> no end user royalty. If there is a strong possibility that the >>> resulting tool will become critical to the IETF community, then there >>> is a very strong preference that the tool is licensed under a BSD >>> license since the BSD 3-clause license[1] is used in so many of the >>> tools that are maintained by the IETF community, and that any >>> libraries it calls are compatible with the tool being licensed under >>> a BSD license. Critical code that uses a license other than a BSD >>> license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. >>> >>> [1] https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause >> >> Where on the wiki do you think this should appear? > > How about > > https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/LicensingPreferences > > with links from > > https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ > https://www.ietf.org/tools/tools.html > https://www.ietf.org/tools/ > https://tools.ietf.org/ > Henrik:: That looks great. Thanks. Alexa: Can you put that text on the suggested locations on www.ietf.org/tools/? Thanks, Russ From nobody Wed May 25 13:54:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C184312DD0B for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 13:54:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31_lLYhRBoz8 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 13:54:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smetech.net (x-bolt-wan.smeinc.net [209.135.219.146]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F4A12DCF1 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 13:54:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (ronin.smetech.net [209.135.209.5]) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4296AF240C2 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 16:54:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smetech.net Received: from mail.smetech.net ([209.135.209.4]) by localhost (ronin.smeinc.net [209.135.209.5]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZHcehF0MY51p for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 16:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.smetech.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9B90F24013 for ; Wed, 25 May 2016 16:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C9483033-40C0-4CA1-BD9C-B24BF706B0BC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley X-Priority: 3 In-Reply-To: <4D305BE7-2496-4B12-BED1-772B62C782CE@vigilsec.com> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 16:54:11 -0400 Message-Id: <0DDE33DD-3FE6-4685-99D6-4826890FF610@vigilsec.com> References: <175360694.10328.1463161328429.JavaMail.nobody@gjtx3tc118.webex.com> <4D305BE7-2496-4B12-BED1-772B62C782CE@vigilsec.com> To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Schedule for the June Tools Call X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 20:54:11 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C9483033-40C0-4CA1-BD9C-B24BF706B0BC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Okay. No one has spoken agains this change, so the next Tools Call will = be 16 June 2016 at 13:00 Eastern. Ray, please update the iCal file and send a WebEx invite. Thanks, Russ On May 24, 2016, at 2:25 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > The IAB has scheduled a workshop that collides with the June 2016 = tools call. If we do not change the date, then Jari, Robert and I will = miss the call. >=20 > I suggest we move the call to 16 June 2016 at 1:00pm Eastern (48 hours = later than is currently planned). Please let me know if this works. If = not, I=92ll do a doodle. >=20 > Russ --Apple-Mail=_C9483033-40C0-4CA1-BD9C-B24BF706B0BC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Okay. =  No one has spoken agains this change, so the next Tools Call will = be 16 June 2016 at 13:00 Eastern.

Ray, please update = the iCal file and send a WebEx = invite.

Thanks,
  = Russ


On May 24, 2016, at 2:25 PM, = Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> = wrote:

The IAB has scheduled a workshop that collides with = the June 2016 tools call.  If we do not change the date, then Jari, = Robert and I will miss the call.

I suggest we move the call to 16 June 2016 at = 1:00pm Eastern (48 hours later than is currently planned).  Please = let me know if this works.  If not, I=92ll do a doodle.

Russ

= --Apple-Mail=_C9483033-40C0-4CA1-BD9C-B24BF706B0BC-- From nobody Fri May 27 09:38:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F47012D715 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 09:38:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.647 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.647 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X3EWsz64RYO6 for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 09:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B7ED12D72D for ; Fri, 27 May 2016 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731AF1E5D71; Fri, 27 May 2016 09:37:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lPND35qGeMRG; Fri, 27 May 2016 09:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:b00:c580:481e:14f3:584b:866d:5c01] (unknown [IPv6:2601:b00:c580:481e:14f3:584b:866d:5c01]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 425DA1E5D67; Fri, 27 May 2016 09:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Alexa Morris In-Reply-To: <9F6A4385-C44C-4963-922C-0F2D159226E9@vigilsec.com> Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 09:37:49 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sendlaterdate: Fri, 27 May 2016 09:37:49 -0700 Message-Id: <678D89EF-A91E-4F70-AE83-834ED36774E3@amsl.com> References: <574562EE.4060007@levkowetz.com> <57460C6A.3080204@levkowetz.com> <9F6A4385-C44C-4963-922C-0F2D159226E9@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Please review text about licenses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 16:38:35 -0000 Russ,=20 Yes, we will post the text on www.ietf.org/tools/. Thanks for closing on = this. Alexa On May 25, 2016, at 1:42 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >>=20 >> On 2016-05-25 18:03, Russ Housley wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Volunteers working on tools other than the Datatracker can use any >>>> license for the code that they wish, and use libraries with any >>>> license that they wish. That said, we strongly prefer libraries = with >>>> no end user royalty. If there is a strong possibility that the >>>> resulting tool will become critical to the IETF community, then = there >>>> is a very strong preference that the tool is licensed under a BSD >>>> license since the BSD 3-clause license[1] is used in so many of the >>>> tools that are maintained by the IETF community, and that any >>>> libraries it calls are compatible with the tool being licensed = under >>>> a BSD license. Critical code that uses a license other than a BSD >>>> license will be considered on a case-by-case exceptional basis. >>>>=20 >>>> [1] https://opensource.org/licenses/BSD-3-Clause >>>=20 >>> Where on the wiki do you think this should appear? >>=20 >> How about=20 >>=20 >> https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/LicensingPreferences >>=20 >> with links from >>=20 >> https://wiki.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ >> https://www.ietf.org/tools/tools.html >> https://www.ietf.org/tools/ >> https://tools.ietf.org/ >>=20 >=20 > Henrik:: >=20 > That looks great. Thanks. >=20 > Alexa: >=20 > Can you put that text on the suggested locations on = www.ietf.org/tools/? >=20 > Thanks, > Russ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com