From nobody Wed Jun 1 14:08:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F6712D600 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:07:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VWrkwINHnAdo for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 623E412B01F for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2016 14:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AF41309F26 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2016 17:07:55 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C6xBBQu9NjNO for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2016 17:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2A2B8309DA8 for ; Wed, 1 Jun 2016 17:07:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 17:08:08 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Updating the Tools Team Charter X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2016 21:07:59 -0000 Jari asked me to update the Tools Team Charter. Here is my first draft. = Please review and comment. Russ =3D =3D =3D =3D =3D=20 The purpose of the IETF Tools Team is to provide IETF feedback and guidance during the development of software tools to support various parts of IETF activities. The IETF Tools Team is not tasked with the actual software development; however, the team members understand software development, and they have the ability to communicate the needs of the IETF community regarding the individual tools. Although, the team members are not prohibited from actively developing tools. Some tools are operated and maintained by the IETF Secretariat. These tools are listed here: https://ietf.org/tools/ Many other tools are made available by volunteers for use by anyone, without any warranty. These tools are listed here: https://tools.ietf.org/ In addition, the IETF Tools Team is responsible for organizing a codesprint prior to each IETF meeting. The codesprint allows anyone to participate in the improvement of tools used by the IETF community in a friendly and supportive environment. Information about participating in a codesprint is available here: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/IETFSprintHowto In order to allow for community visibility and input into IETF Tools = Team activities, the archives of the Tools Team mailing list are publicly available: = https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/search/?email_list=3Dtools-development Please join the discussion of existing tools and any tools that you would like to see developed: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss From nobody Wed Jun 8 09:53:16 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC33112D5F9 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:53:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lx604W_VAoKO for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EC1412DA40 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CF753003CF for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:52:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id B33o3VHCEqlC for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [5.5.33.192] (vpn.snozzages.com [204.42.252.17]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A790330025A; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8BEB5619-FD03-4756-87CC-4F67B56E56F7"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <575847C5.2090503@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 12:52:42 -0400 Message-Id: <2CAD6E84-A53C-4E73-8F68-F1138B3D76DF@vigilsec.com> References: <6153C9C1-6C73-4D38-8A1D-D7045198C5C3@amsl.com> <575847C5.2090503@levkowetz.com> To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Priority Decision Needed: Non-ASCII characters in email addresses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:53:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8BEB5619-FD03-4756-87CC-4F67B56E56F7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Jari: >> We had an interesting error report this morning from an IETF >> community member who used an email address in the ng=C4=81pukapuka.nz >> domain to register for IETF 96. It turns out that smtplib in Python >> 2.7.8 is not happy with non-ASCII characters in addresses. >>=20 >> I have also checked Mailman and discovered that it is also unable to >> digest non-ASCII characters in email addresses. Having discussed the >> matter with Glen, I wanted to bring it to your attention as well. >=20 > Yes. It looks as if smtplib has been fixed for python 3.5, but I = suspect > that a backport to 2.7 is unlikely: >=20 > http://bugs.python.org/issue22027 >=20 > So we'll either have to do all the work of building the appropriate = EAI > strings in the application, and finagle them into the message, or = we'll > have to postpone a fix until we move up to python 3.5 or higher. I'm > adding python 3.5 upgrade to the PLAN file. The django framework can = run on > python 3.x, but we haven't done any work to make our own code = 3.5-friendly. >=20 > I suspect this step (going to 3.5) will be a substantial piece or = work. >=20 > If EAI support is sufficiently urgent (i.e., can't wait for python 3.x > conversion), we'll have to code it up ourselves, without lib support. So far, we have had one complaint. I expect more. As you can see, Henrik has identified a way forward. Sadly, it will = require real work. Please advise on the priority of this effort. The IETF has done a lot = of work to make internationalized domain names happen. Now, we need to = eat our dog food. Do we need to eat that meal in the next few weeks or = the next few months? Russ --Apple-Mail=_8BEB5619-FD03-4756-87CC-4F67B56E56F7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - http://gpgtools.org iEYEARECAAYFAldYTWUACgkQiuTu0PWcEcvk/QCg+BJ36GGcq/Dg3hF2YnFdyIwt 5gwAoOlTptHk8Fp3r90pYAOczc7TfLcw =EGgb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_8BEB5619-FD03-4756-87CC-4F67B56E56F7-- From nobody Wed Jun 8 09:57:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F5C12D752 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:57:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lKRG4zphjG1p for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 874CF12D79B for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:57:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 562671E5D82 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:57:22 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SaGSyel6Zxnc for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:57:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Heathers-MacBook-Pro.local (unknown [98.125.174.244]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A90C1E5D81 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:57:21 -0700 (PDT) To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <6153C9C1-6C73-4D38-8A1D-D7045198C5C3@amsl.com> <575847C5.2090503@levkowetz.com> <2CAD6E84-A53C-4E73-8F68-F1138B3D76DF@vigilsec.com> From: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" Message-ID: <1e90ce3f-5393-9dff-5a82-6e7fb2754460@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:57:32 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2CAD6E84-A53C-4E73-8F68-F1138B3D76DF@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------218BBDE89BAE7F4B9F0B2EAC" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Priority Decision Needed: Non-ASCII characters in email addresses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:57:36 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------218BBDE89BAE7F4B9F0B2EAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 6/8/16 9:52 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Jari: > >>> We had an interesting error report this morning from an IETF >>> community member who used an email address in the ngāpukapuka.nz >>> domain to register for IETF 96. It turns out that smtplib in >>> Python 2.7.8 is not happy with non-ASCII characters in >>> addresses. >>> >>> I have also checked Mailman and discovered that it is also unable >>> to digest non-ASCII characters in email addresses. Having >>> discussed the matter with Glen, I wanted to bring it to your >>> attention as well. >> >> Yes. It looks as if smtplib has been fixed for python 3.5, but I >> suspect that a backport to 2.7 is unlikely: >> >> http://bugs.python.org/issue22027 >> >> So we'll either have to do all the work of building the appropriate >> EAI strings in the application, and finagle them into the message, >> or we'll have to postpone a fix until we move up to python 3.5 or >> higher. I'm adding python 3.5 upgrade to the PLAN file. The >> django framework can run on python 3.x, but we haven't done any >> work to make our own code 3.5-friendly. >> >> I suspect this step (going to 3.5) will be a substantial piece or >> work. >> >> If EAI support is sufficiently urgent (i.e., can't wait for python >> 3.x conversion), we'll have to code it up ourselves, without lib >> support. > > So far, we have had one complaint. I expect more. > > As you can see, Henrik has identified a way forward. Sadly, it will > require real work. > > Please advise on the priority of this effort. The IETF has done a > lot of work to make internationalized domain names happen. Now, we > need to eat our dog food. Do we need to eat that meal in the next > few weeks or the next few months? > > Russ I'd actually put this before format work, if only because I think the infrastructure needs to be in place to handle nonASCII characters in all places. -Heather --------------218BBDE89BAE7F4B9F0B2EAC Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 6/8/16 9:52 AM, Russ Housley wrote:
> Jari: > >>> We had an interesting error report this morning from an IETF >>> community member who used an email address in the ngāpukapuka.nz >>> domain to register for IETF 96.  It turns out that smtplib in >>> Python 2.7.8 is not happy with non-ASCII characters in >>> addresses. >>> >>> I have also checked Mailman and discovered that it is also unable >>> to digest non-ASCII characters in email addresses.  Having >>> discussed the matter with Glen, I wanted to bring it to your >>> attention as well. >> >> Yes.  It looks as if smtplib has been fixed for python 3.5, but I >> suspect that a backport to 2.7 is unlikely: >> >> http://bugs.python.org/issue22027 >> >> So we'll either have to do all the work of building the appropriate >> EAI strings in the application, and finagle them into the message, >> or we'll have to postpone a fix until we move up to python 3.5 or >> higher.  I'm adding python 3.5 upgrade to the PLAN file.  The >> django framework can run on python 3.x, but we haven't done any >> work to make our own code 3.5-friendly. >> >> I suspect this step (going to 3.5) will be a substantial piece or >> work. >> >> If EAI support is sufficiently urgent (i.e., can't wait for python >> 3.x conversion), we'll have to code it up ourselves, without lib >> support. > > So far, we have had one complaint.  I expect more. > > As you can see, Henrik has identified a way forward.  Sadly, it will > require real work. > > Please advise on the priority of this effort.  The IETF has done a > lot of work to make internationalized domain names happen.  Now, we > need to eat our dog food.  Do we need to eat that meal in the next > few weeks or the next few months? > > Russ

I'd actually put this before format work, if only because I think the infrastructure needs to be in place to handle nonASCII characters in all places.

-Heather
--------------218BBDE89BAE7F4B9F0B2EAC-- From nobody Wed Jun 8 09:57:49 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C82EB12D6AE for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:57:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9EvxjmPOfqlf for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p130.piuha.net (p130.piuha.net [193.234.218.130]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C60112D5F9 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 09:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1227F2CC9C; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:57:36 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at piuha.net Received: from p130.piuha.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (p130.piuha.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7GsERYvblrqu; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:57:35 +0300 (EEST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (p130.piuha.net [IPv6:2a00:1d50:2::130]) by p130.piuha.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9021E2CC64; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:57:35 +0300 (EEST) (envelope-from jari.arkko@piuha.net) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C290A0B4-8F5A-470D-BD8F-E7AB05C8FAB1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: Jari Arkko In-Reply-To: <2CAD6E84-A53C-4E73-8F68-F1138B3D76DF@vigilsec.com> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 19:57:33 +0300 Message-Id: References: <6153C9C1-6C73-4D38-8A1D-D7045198C5C3@amsl.com> <575847C5.2090503@levkowetz.com> <2CAD6E84-A53C-4E73-8F68-F1138B3D76DF@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Priority Decision Needed: Non-ASCII characters in email addresses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 16:57:40 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_C290A0B4-8F5A-470D-BD8F-E7AB05C8FAB1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Thanks guys for this summary. > As you can see, Henrik has identified a way forward. Sadly, it will = require real work. >=20 > Please advise on the priority of this effort. The IETF has done a lot = of work to make internationalized domain names happen. Now, we need to = eat our dog food. Do we need to eat that meal in the next few weeks or = the next few months? My gut feeling is to put this on the =93few months=94 bucket. There = should be very few issues that demand bug fixes in matter of weeks. Now, = if that few months starts to be more like half a year or a year, I=92d = reconsider though. jari --Apple-Mail=_C290A0B4-8F5A-470D-BD8F-E7AB05C8FAB1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJXWE5+AAoJEM80gCTQU46qqVIP/3Z0qpqr+AIpUVWUAIePruKc jW1/9LO+CdXYp3vwzQNvix/X+6g9VehqQNOgHT6haFkHzqJAll13+GA2m93qyODU 1FAMQErXjuBLZ2ZBA247N9EOsodzguLXOmOSqkVtV5CRL0pD+gAE7+FMvR6eF0Ly T0m4G8j7qc68kp160xUKoUM1ibmNQE+LKiJ3jFTc7AZiWF7ElvoYm4tslP+V6+eU +7S1YtZQwN4fZ+PxsmfvDW82CYdNjT1yHW1LaZs4mQ7QBBzXhPxvwkh7psRWvcr/ h/QEayeK+6jjxsxvakqxDxmGaGMz91ln8+giAYoulnS8xC6G363fP2SbGIHRwlnc n7Dz3+JhRaNoB7VZymDJXTDvfsoSIb0HRrX8NV30a+M8xdMmHOBAA4h8MeqYtAx9 jqBtEeb5lN/VekmM5iT5O2Uv+g9q6mhWJ5D1pVixI86h+1g359VIANpZws4W7JZq vRTLNLp0jFb6X+XDjcm9A/4Fg1OnUDZsc67DiCvRQQPK5+Hyd6J5kN+A5NGQ/GuQ zc8S0vtkUQ2TGI/4gAOBQQyczh4LpCIcDK72h9+n6ENGMjOYuhLIg6LPrOucM57+ Bzcj/8Bw031LFD9OGO2XTdSP/A7rufSkgl7WkxIaTDM+y+hp9FkEYPo/Fwvm9sEh uIKWfphZMeBSVcj/FN5W =DNmV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_C290A0B4-8F5A-470D-BD8F-E7AB05C8FAB1-- From nobody Wed Jun 8 10:34:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 161C812D0F3 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 10:34:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xRpMA4eo4svQ for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 10:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5009C126BF7 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 10:34:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53F603003CF for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 13:34:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id eUdVZW69mXFc for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 13:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [5.5.33.196] (vpn.snozzages.com [204.42.252.17]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3E6AC300222; Wed, 8 Jun 2016 13:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2A64ED75-77C3-4669-A2BA-5577C270234B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <1e90ce3f-5393-9dff-5a82-6e7fb2754460@rfc-editor.org> Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 13:34:28 -0400 Message-Id: <18C870AE-3C66-4407-B765-19388E2B59F1@vigilsec.com> References: <6153C9C1-6C73-4D38-8A1D-D7045198C5C3@amsl.com> <575847C5.2090503@levkowetz.com> <2CAD6E84-A53C-4E73-8F68-F1138B3D76DF@vigilsec.com> <1e90ce3f-5393-9dff-5a82-6e7fb2754460@rfc-editor.org> To: "Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor)" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Priority Decision Needed: Non-ASCII characters in email addresses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 17:34:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2A64ED75-77C3-4669-A2BA-5577C270234B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Heather: > >>> We had an interesting error report this morning from an IETF=20 > >>> community member who used an email address in the ng=C4=81pukapuka.n= z=20 > >>> domain to register for IETF 96. It turns out that smtplib in > >>> Python 2.7.8 is not happy with non-ASCII characters in > >>> addresses. > >>>=20 > >>> I have also checked Mailman and discovered that it is also unable > >>> to digest non-ASCII characters in email addresses. Having > >>> discussed the matter with Glen, I wanted to bring it to your > >>> attention as well. > >>=20 > >> Yes. It looks as if smtplib has been fixed for python 3.5, but I > >> suspect that a backport to 2.7 is unlikely: > >>=20 > >> http://bugs.python.org/issue22027 > >>=20 > >> So we'll either have to do all the work of building the appropriate > >> EAI strings in the application, and finagle them into the message, > >> or we'll have to postpone a fix until we move up to python 3.5 or > >> higher. I'm adding python 3.5 upgrade to the PLAN file. The > >> django framework can run on python 3.x, but we haven't done any > >> work to make our own code 3.5-friendly. > >>=20 > >> I suspect this step (going to 3.5) will be a substantial piece or > >> work. > >>=20 > >> If EAI support is sufficiently urgent (i.e., can't wait for python > >> 3.x conversion), we'll have to code it up ourselves, without lib > >> support. > >=20 > > So far, we have had one complaint. I expect more. > >=20 > > As you can see, Henrik has identified a way forward. Sadly, it will > > require real work. > >=20 > > Please advise on the priority of this effort. The IETF has done a > > lot of work to make internationalized domain names happen. Now, we > > need to eat our dog food. Do we need to eat that meal in the next > > few weeks or the next few months? >=20 > I'd actually put this before format work, if only because I think the = infrastructure needs to be in place to handle nonASCII characters in all = places. Thanks. I hope that they can move in parallel. Russ --Apple-Mail=_2A64ED75-77C3-4669-A2BA-5577C270234B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Heather:

=20 =20
>>> We had an interesting error report this morning from = an IETF=20 >>> community member who used an email address in the ng=C4=81pukapuka.nz=20 >>> domain to register for IETF 96.  It turns out that = smtplib in >>> Python 2.7.8 is not happy with non-ASCII characters in >>> addresses. >>>=20 >>> I have also checked Mailman and discovered that it is also = unable >>> to digest non-ASCII characters in email addresses.  = Having >>> discussed the matter with Glen, I wanted to bring it to = your >>> attention as well. >>=20 >> Yes.  It looks as if smtplib has been fixed for python = 3.5, but I >> suspect that a backport to 2.7 is unlikely: >>=20 >> http://bugs.python.org/issue220= 27 >>=20 >> So we'll either have to do all the work of building the = appropriate >> EAI strings in the application, and finagle them into the = message, >> or we'll have to postpone a fix until we move up to python 3.5 = or >> higher.  I'm adding python 3.5 upgrade to the PLAN = file.  The >> django framework can run on python 3.x, but we haven't done any >> work to make our own code 3.5-friendly. >>=20 >> I suspect this step (going to 3.5) will be a substantial piece = or >> work. >>=20 >> If EAI support is sufficiently urgent (i.e., can't wait for = python >> 3.x conversion), we'll have to code it up ourselves, without = lib >> support. >=20 > So far, we have had one complaint.  I expect more. >=20 > As you can see, Henrik has identified a way forward.  Sadly, = it will > require real work. >=20 > Please advise on the priority of this effort.  The IETF has = done a > lot of work to make internationalized domain names happen.  = Now, we > need to eat our dog food.  Do we need to eat that meal in the = next > few weeks or the next few months?
I'd actually put this before format work, if only because I think the infrastructure needs to be in place to handle nonASCII characters in all = places.

Thanks.  I hope that = they can move in = parallel.

Russ

= --Apple-Mail=_2A64ED75-77C3-4669-A2BA-5577C270234B-- From nobody Thu Jun 9 06:09:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6800912D60A for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 06:09:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Ui6Ngcj8pvC for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 06:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0CEAD12D5FF for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 06:09:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A830F3003FE for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 09:09:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 9IBTyS4aHr6E for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 09:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [5.5.33.199] (vpn.snozzages.com [204.42.252.17]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7021630004F; Thu, 9 Jun 2016 09:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 09:09:36 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <889A2F42-EFA1-4F62-9E87-3980A1561A6B@vigilsec.com> References: <6153C9C1-6C73-4D38-8A1D-D7045198C5C3@amsl.com> <575847C5.2090503@levkowetz.com> <2CAD6E84-A53C-4E73-8F68-F1138B3D76DF@vigilsec.com> To: Jari Arkko X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Priority Decision Needed: Non-ASCII characters in email addresses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 13:09:37 -0000 Jari: > Thanks guys for this summary. >=20 >> As you can see, Henrik has identified a way forward. Sadly, it will = require real work. >>=20 >> Please advise on the priority of this effort. The IETF has done a = lot of work to make internationalized domain names happen. Now, we need = to eat our dog food. Do we need to eat that meal in the next few weeks = or the next few months? >=20 > My gut feeling is to put this on the =93few months=94 bucket. There = should be very few issues that demand bug fixes in matter of weeks. Now, = if that few months starts to be more like half a year or a year, I=92d = reconsider though. There are at least three places where changes are needed in the system: 1) Mailman 2) Datatracker 3) IETF Meeting Registration The IAOC usually opens registration for the next meeting very shortly = after the end of the current meeting. So, we know that all three of = these cannot be ready to handle internationalized email addresses by the = end of the Berlin meeting. I think we should target the end of the = Seoul meeting. If there are no big surprises, we can have it ready = when we open registration for Chicago. It would be really bad for the registration system to put an address on = the attendees list and have Mailman choke. I have asked Glen to = investigate the current version of Mailman and determine whether it = supports internationalized email addresses. For the above list, I am = assuming that an upgrade of some sort will be needed. I am also = assuming that there is a version of Mailman that will properly handle = internationalized email addresses. (Glen if that turns out to be = incorrect, please raise the alarm on this list.) Russ From nobody Tue Jun 14 04:26:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B87212DB85 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 04:26:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vcTYK5Ppp5az for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 04:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 98BB012DB80 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 04:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 971EE3002AE for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 07:26:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id zloYNJkNtDLm for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 07:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [5.5.33.226] (vpn.snozzages.com [204.42.252.17]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1613D300257 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 07:26:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <58D6D0AE-85B6-4283-B794-58D98E996C6B@vigilsec.com> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 07:26:05 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 16 June 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 11:26:12 -0000 Tools Call Agenda -- 16 June 2016 at 1:00 Eastern 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan - Contracts for Datatracker Enhancements -- Robert -- Interim Meeting Management -- Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests -- Review Tracking - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert - Merge Meeting Materials and Proceedings -- Robert - Author Statistics -- ON HOLD 2. Community & Other Projects - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert and Ryan - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe 3. RFC Services Projects - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org -- Henrik 5. Server Infrastructure - Migrate from Django 1.8 to 1.9 -- Henrik - Migrate from MySQL to PostgreSQL -- Henrik - CDN support for HTML and PDF I-Ds -- Henrik 6. IDIQ Contractors - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray 7. Parking Lot - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub 8. AOB From nobody Tue Jun 14 09:39:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7B6412D811 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:39:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.047 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.047 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9Pe9TmfjW_3w for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4808512D6AD for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A58761E5D73 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-f175.google.com (mail-qt0-f175.google.com [209.85.216.175]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6E5C81E5D6F for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-f175.google.com with SMTP id m2so21737534qtd.1 for ; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJpItOfmWV1OgpuRI3qPw/JrmZWt9vqG+jA1u7fH4FPVhhaJcrCEqon1pQxnDjj7Ma9Fq8+QrxcjDw3mg== X-Received: by 10.237.56.225 with SMTP id k88mr19977050qte.86.1465922378127; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:39:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.91.180 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:39:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <889A2F42-EFA1-4F62-9E87-3980A1561A6B@vigilsec.com> References: <6153C9C1-6C73-4D38-8A1D-D7045198C5C3@amsl.com> <575847C5.2090503@levkowetz.com> <2CAD6E84-A53C-4E73-8F68-F1138B3D76DF@vigilsec.com> <889A2F42-EFA1-4F62-9E87-3980A1561A6B@vigilsec.com> From: Glen Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:39:18 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Priority Decision Needed: Non-ASCII characters in email addresses X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: glen@amsl.com List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 16:39:41 -0000 All - On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 6:09 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > It would be really bad for the registration system to put an address on t= he attendees list and have Mailman choke. I have asked Glen to investigate= the current version of Mailman and determine whether it supports internati= onalized email addresses. For the above list, I am assuming that an upgrad= e of some sort will be needed. I am also assuming that there is a version = of Mailman that will properly handle internationalized email addresses. (G= len if that turns out to be incorrect, please raise the alarm on this list.= ) I am, as requested, raising a "maybe" alarm: We are on Mailman 2.1.17 at present. The next version of OpenSuse to which I hope to move us later this year (42.1) includes Mailman 2.1.21 (just released in February). 2.1.22 was released in April, and 2.1.23 is pending. (See https://launchpad.net/mailman/+milestones for details and links). I have read the entire changelog for every release from 2.1.17 forward, and I see NO references to UTF8, or Unicode, or International Character support, or anything similar, when it comes to email addresses. They talk about their templates and translations, but nothing about actual email addresses. I therefore believe that all 2.X versions of Mailman equally lack support for internationalized email addresses. I note also a 3.0 branch of Mailman - but it seems to have lost steam with no new releases in the past 18 months. Now... there are hints that Mailman "might" support these characters in some fashion already. For example I see this: https://wiki.list.org/DOC/4.90%20My%20list%27s%20moderator%20interface%20an= d%20plain%20format%20digests%20have%20garbled%20non-ascii.%20Change%20Engli= sh%20charset%20to%20utf-8. and I see references to character set bug fixes in sync_lists, a Python script. But I think that may be orthogonal to internationalized email address support... I think it may refer only to message bodies. At that link, I see: "Mailman's character set for English is us-ascii. This causes non-ascii characters in posts and message headers and footers and other places to be replaced by question marks and/or numeric HTML entities in various contexts if the web interface and in plain format digests. This can be avoided by changing Mailman's character set for English to UTF-8. This has not been done in the GNU Mailman distribution for mainly superstitious reasopns, but it is believed to be safe. This is done by placing the line: add_language('en', 'English (USA)', 'utf-8', 'ltr') in mm_cfg.py and restarting Mailman. The one known downside of doing this is that Python's email library which is used by Mailman will base64 encode charset=3Dutf-8 message bodies which makes the raw message body impossible to read by eye or search with simple tools like grep. " But it's unclear as to whether this would work or not, and I'd want everyone to review this before we tried the above, even if we thought it would work. Absent that being some kind of magic bullet, it appears that there are no differences in newer versions of Mailman with respect to internationalized email addresses at this time. Glen From nobody Thu Jun 16 08:16:21 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B81A12D8D2 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:16:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CVE_CMhqMAUp for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C3E9A12D8BE for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C05130042D for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:16:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 3bVSvUjcqRU8 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9BE71300261 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:16:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:16:10 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Instructions for IETF Software Development Contractors X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:16:19 -0000 Dear Team: Please review the following web page: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ContractorInstructions Past SoWs have not been clear about the way that we want the final = deliverable packaged. So, we have expanded these instructions for = python-based projects. Please review to make sure we got it right. We need to come up with something very similar for non-python-based = projects before we release the RFP for the RFC format tools. Since AMS = will have to do the install and maintenance of that software, I am = wondering if someone from AMS can take the first pass, and then bring it = to this list for review. Russ From nobody Thu Jun 16 08:24:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7CD112D7BA for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:24:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LG9bgsjuJpRU for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 47C7312D75F for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:24:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local ([173.57.161.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u5GFOWqc019817 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:24:32 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [173.57.161.14] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: tools-development@ietf.org References: From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:24:32 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Instructions for IETF Software Development Contractors X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:24:35 -0000 I just reviewed the packaging text in context. I think we will convey what we want more effectively if we switch the order of the two paragraphs that are there now. (That is, talk first about the single/small number use case, and then about the end-user use case). RjS On 6/16/16 10:16 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Dear Team: > > Please review the following web page: > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ContractorInstructions > > Past SoWs have not been clear about the way that we want the final deliverable packaged. So, we have expanded these instructions for python-based projects. Please review to make sure we got it right. > > We need to come up with something very similar for non-python-based projects before we release the RFP for the RFC format tools. Since AMS will have to do the install and maintenance of that software, I am wondering if someone from AMS can take the first pass, and then bring it to this list for review. > > Russ > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Jun 16 08:40:38 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 826EB12D73E for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:40:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BOnXOTMlHHej for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 404D012D6A8 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local ([173.57.161.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u5GFeYPf021284 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:40:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [173.57.161.14] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <58D6D0AE-85B6-4283-B794-58D98E996C6B@vigilsec.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <54946a42-0b15-5d2e-4879-37fdc3e5fff7@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:40:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <58D6D0AE-85B6-4283-B794-58D98E996C6B@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 16 June 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:40:37 -0000 A few short notes for the call: Agenda bash : I'd like time to talk about codematch. Some additional places where we should spend more time than usual below. On 6/14/16 6:26 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Tools Call Agenda -- 16 June 2016 at 1:00 Eastern > > 1. Datatracker Projects > - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik > -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan > - Contracts for Datatracker Enhancements -- Robert > -- Interim Meeting Management Ready for merge - added to the mergequeue > -- Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests In testing - several issues identified for correction > -- Review Tracking Making rapid progress - expect early testing/demos of some components in Berlin > - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert Nothing new for this cycle. > - Merge Meeting Materials and Proceedings -- Robert Nothing new for this cycle. > - Author Statistics -- ON HOLD > > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert and Ryan > - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe We should speak a few minutes here about the recent photo/bio datatracker release. > > 3. RFC Services Projects > - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather > -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics We should speak a few minutes here about accepting and deploying this project. > - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather > - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert Nothing new to discuss, (but note Russ' thread asking for packaging text) > - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather > > 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools > - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org -- Henrik > > 5. Server Infrastructure > - Migrate from Django 1.8 to 1.9 -- Henrik > - Migrate from MySQL to PostgreSQL -- Henrik > - CDN support for HTML and PDF I-Ds -- Henrik > > 6. IDIQ Contractors > - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray > > 7. Parking Lot > - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert > - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert > - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert > - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? > - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik > - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert > - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub > > 8. AOB > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Jun 16 08:42:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2913212D73E for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:42:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.047 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.047 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hsZxZqf5U7gB for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0E37312D6A8 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1842B1E5D82 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:41:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-f182.google.com (mail-qk0-f182.google.com [209.85.220.182]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D01DB1E5D76 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:41:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-f182.google.com with SMTP id s186so57246175qkc.1 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:42:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIbw6fihLnl8pRXSpVnnR56eXWzpEONdDgiNEv1hgG8bz9999SnCjM3Boovmegpdj18HDQeqt2xyx5U/A== X-Received: by 10.200.55.219 with SMTP id e27mr5814366qtc.93.1466091728921; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:42:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.91.180 with HTTP; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:41:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Glen Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:41:49 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Instructions for IETF Software Development Contractors X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: glen@amsl.com List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:42:11 -0000 "Someone at AMS" (which means me) will be delighted to do this - but will need a little time to find cycles so to do. Thanks, Glen On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 8:16 AM, Russ Housley wrote: > Dear Team: > > Please review the following web page: > https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ContractorInstructions > > Past SoWs have not been clear about the way that we want the final delive= rable packaged. So, we have expanded these instructions for python-based p= rojects. Please review to make sure we got it right. > > We need to come up with something very similar for non-python-based proje= cts before we release the RFP for the RFC format tools. Since AMS will hav= e to do the install and maintenance of that software, I am wondering if som= eone from AMS can take the first pass, and then bring it to this list for r= eview. > > Russ > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Jun 16 08:46:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A440012D829 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.326 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.326 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.426] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q6CY9_Ms_heQ for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3C7F412D814 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unnumerable.local ([173.57.161.14]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id u5GFjvt7021899 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:45:57 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [173.57.161.14] claimed to be unnumerable.local To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <58D6D0AE-85B6-4283-B794-58D98E996C6B@vigilsec.com> <54946a42-0b15-5d2e-4879-37fdc3e5fff7@nostrum.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:45:57 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.1.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <54946a42-0b15-5d2e-4879-37fdc3e5fff7@nostrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 16 June 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 15:45:59 -0000 A couple of other things (for the AOB part perhaps) * I'm prototyping capturing programs as groups in the datatracker. When I take the next run at that (informed by prototype feedback), how should it be prioritized compared to these other projects? * We are making some progress on removing spam from the repository, and stemming the tide of new spam, list by list. We're doing this by looking for a List-Id only (there were previous suggestions to check for dkim, which we are not doing - should that still be a goal?). On 6/16/16 10:40 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > A few short notes for the call: > > Agenda bash : I'd like time to talk about codematch. > > Some additional places where we should spend more time than usual below. > > On 6/14/16 6:26 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >> Tools Call Agenda -- 16 June 2016 at 1:00 Eastern >> >> 1. Datatracker Projects >> - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik >> -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan >> - Contracts for Datatracker Enhancements -- Robert >> -- Interim Meeting Management > Ready for merge - added to the mergequeue >> -- Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests > In testing - several issues identified for correction >> -- Review Tracking > Making rapid progress - expect early testing/demos of some components > in Berlin >> - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert > Nothing new for this cycle. >> - Merge Meeting Materials and Proceedings -- Robert > Nothing new for this cycle. >> - Author Statistics -- ON HOLD >> >> 2. Community & Other Projects >> - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert and Ryan >> - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe > We should speak a few minutes here about the recent photo/bio > datatracker release. >> >> 3. RFC Services Projects >> - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather >> -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics > We should speak a few minutes here about accepting and deploying this > project. >> - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather >> - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert > Nothing new to discuss, (but note Russ' thread asking for packaging text) >> - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather >> >> 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools >> - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org -- Henrik >> >> 5. Server Infrastructure >> - Migrate from Django 1.8 to 1.9 -- Henrik >> - Migrate from MySQL to PostgreSQL -- Henrik >> - CDN support for HTML and PDF I-Ds -- Henrik >> >> 6. IDIQ Contractors >> - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray >> >> 7. Parking Lot >> - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert >> - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- >> Robert >> - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert >> - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? >> - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik >> - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert >> - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub >> >> 8. AOB >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Jun 16 08:59:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F3812D10D for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 08:59:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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From nobody Thu Jun 16 09:40:52 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C497912D8FA for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:40:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xJX3ilSAej8m for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8F15712D8DF for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:50982 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1bDaLX-0004dn-TL; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 09:40:48 -0700 Message-ID: <5762D688.9040003@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:40:40 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Sparks , tools-development@ietf.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7NhF35g4MUMa7HMA8R6RWA38580GPmaCR" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Instructions for IETF Software Development Contractors X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 16:40:50 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --7NhF35g4MUMa7HMA8R6RWA38580GPmaCR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-06-16 17:24, Robert Sparks wrote: > I just reviewed the packaging text in context. >=20 > I think we will convey what we want more effectively if we switch the=20 > order of the two paragraphs that are there now. (That is, talk first=20 > about the single/small number use case, and then about the end-user use= =20 > case). Done! Henrik > RjS >=20 >=20 > On 6/16/16 10:16 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >> Dear Team: >> >> Please review the following web page: >> https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/ContractorInstructions >> >> Past SoWs have not been clear about the way that we want the final del= iverable packaged. So, we have expanded these instructions for python-ba= sed projects. Please review to make sure we got it right. >> >> We need to come up with something very similar for non-python-based pr= ojects before we release the RFP for the RFC format tools. Since AMS wil= l have to do the install and maintenance of that software, I am wondering= if someone from AMS can take the first pass, and then bring it to this l= ist for review. >> >> Russ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 --7NhF35g4MUMa7HMA8R6RWA38580GPmaCR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJXYtaIAAoJEE6bV0uPuxcaDs8P/jyR81w+IREpvJfWZYc4Op9s zi+7nlTEKKf+MjaauttSm2lpoU6/cY718md2hMgxslvd30mSqM1WPrWZWYIrIJuD ASQjE6A9BqV885LZ9ZKhobMm73Y+QlDNx9iUyQve/1Wm+IPA8/Kn+jjlDWEAvmTk utVcn8SalhwE/bInjPgE04JJ+cgcu9CLbD0pje5ZHEhczGjODebkQcOX1wk+9+q7 bwZ44tkwoPE1TQZRvvHpYncThPCHfrhIRaPAgQEZivn3AVFg3Vkv15y7qImVx4mY /OIIEWT5plQehKALlerudXb1gfd2xIYHKMVmhOyNdlTlRYkrJNeG/3mnUjG2AmwZ tu8BxGvZOrdRUsdXypFDcYz/RY2H5dbbh1fZUH5we+oIAu18Rx+QmqL1rVGoQSGX +8/vLJTo6EIEqjmAPQOsltJyMyxE+mSLuln2Sp7A7dR//EfwDMnhMcNIFSxmHoZG DWwsW4ZZbKhVi4eePnWpmU677W7O8xROKlQ+gy0sLS29L1MwCjZ2uMruYLZ3MMHP PvarpXIaXORM4nss7eApzhMaYBQdBUZgYMUAM/h5mfYy7WsL8z+ZihIe6MmzSv7H zOgJyjXrR79EndqqmpPDVDngs/5XkIRNn/LF7RL31Qd4U04YxjEPf6A5Ik1UBoXG Sb9WJQUriTVIrnX+8Bah =uisu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7NhF35g4MUMa7HMA8R6RWA38580GPmaCR-- From nobody Thu Jun 16 10:33:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B3312D177 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:33:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kTAMFPOsyxmk for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05E0612D0CD for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D8B8D30042C for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:33:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 0Y4HHWurTV97 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 139FD30009F for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:33:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 13:33:09 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/photos/ X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 17:33:13 -0000 I think it would be good to change the label on grey bar at the top os = the area to the abbreviation =97 the full name. 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charset="utf-8" Hi, As mentioned on the call today, here is the update from Joe planned to = be posted on the IETF Blog and shared via ietf-announce later today. Thoughts and suggestions about how to most effectively conduct the = broader IETF community review would be appreciated. -Greg +++ I wanted to provide a brief update on the the progress of the = www.ietf.org website revamp project, which began = in earnest last year and is scheduled to move into production by the end = of this year. As the ">scope of = work developed with input from the IETF community specified, we have = been working with the selected vendor, ">Torchbox, to develop a site that reflects = the IETF=E2=80=99s position as the premiere Internet standards = organization. Beyond updating and improving navigation and the visual = design, the revamped site will work better for all classes of devices, = including smart phones and tablets. It is also designed to improve = accessibility and to work well for visitors using low-bandwidth and = high-latency connections. Of course the revamped website must work well for current IETF = participants. But it also aims to serve *potential* IETF contributors by = making it easier for them to get started in the IETF, and it aims to = ensure that even people who aren=E2=80=99t likely to be contributors can = understand what the IETF does and how it works. A goal of the project = was to develop a design informed by data, so we ">interviewe= d people from each of these groups. We also looked at usage data = available from the current website and benchmarked against websites of = similar organizations. Since sharing the initial design and prototype at IETF 93, the project = team has been working on fine-tuning the design and transitioning = content. The ">IETF Tools team has also been involved so = that the information about RFCs, IETF Areas, and working groups = displayed on www.ietf.org is drawn directly from = ">datatracker.ietf.org = . This will make it easier to keep the = www.ietf.org site current, and provide = opportunities to guide people to the ongoing work of the IETF. Work is still underway to finalize the content and features on the new = site, including additional testing with the target audiences to be sure = it works for them. The current project schedule calls for an extended = "preview" of the new site so the entire IETF community will have a = chance to try it out before everything is finalized. I expect to have a = further update on the exact timeline in the next few weeks. --=20 Joe Hildebrand= --Apple-Mail=_80F23FCF-4B87-4E20-AC8C-BD096E4715DC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Hi,

As = mentioned on the call today, here is the update from Joe planned to be = posted on the IETF Blog and shared via ietf-announce later today.

Thoughts and suggestions = about how to most effectively conduct the broader IETF community review = would be appreciated.

-Greg

+++

I wanted to provide a brief = update on the the progress of the www.ietf.org website revamp project, which began in = earnest last year and is scheduled to move into production by the end of = this year.

As the <a href=3D"http://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/IETF-Website-SOW-02.pdf">= scope of work</a> developed with input from the IETF community = specified, we have been working with the selected vendor, <a href=3D"https://torchbox.com/">Torchbox</a>, to develop = a site that reflects the IETF=E2=80=99s position as the premiere = Internet standards organization. Beyond updating and improving = navigation and the visual design, the revamped site will work better for = all classes of devices, including smart phones and tablets. It is also = designed to improve accessibility and to work well for visitors using = low-bandwidth and high-latency connections.

Of course the revamped website must work well for current = IETF participants. But it also aims to serve *potential* IETF = contributors by making it easier for them to get started in the IETF, = and it aims to ensure that even people who aren=E2=80=99t likely to be = contributors can understand what the IETF does and how it works. A goal = of the project was to develop a design informed by data, so we <a = href=3D"https://iaoc.ietf.org/documents/Torchbox_ETFUserresearch.pdf">interviewed people</a> from each of these groups. We also = looked at usage data available from the current website and benchmarked = against websites of similar organizations.

Since sharing the initial design and prototype at IETF 93, = the project team has been working on fine-tuning the design and = transitioning content. The <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/">IETF Tools</a> team has = also been involved so that the information about RFCs, IETF Areas, and = working groups displayed on www.ietf.org is drawn directly from <a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/">datatracker.ietf.org</a>. This will make it easier = to keep the www.ietf.org site current, and provide opportunities = to guide people to the ongoing work of the IETF.

Work is still underway to finalize the content and features = on the new site, including additional testing with the target audiences = to be sure it works for them. The current project schedule calls for an = extended "preview" of the new site so the entire IETF community will = have a chance to try it out before everything is finalized. I expect to = have a further update on the exact timeline in the next few weeks.

-- 
Joe = Hildebrand
= --Apple-Mail=_80F23FCF-4B87-4E20-AC8C-BD096E4715DC-- From nobody Thu Jun 16 11:08:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35E3012DA72 for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:08:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -106.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-106.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79LPZo4fXnYU for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:123a::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4AB4512DA6D for ; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 81-235-150-134-no105.tbcn.telia.com ([81.235.150.134]:52669 helo=[192.168.1.120]) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1bDbhw-00038Y-5f; Thu, 16 Jun 2016 11:08:00 -0700 Message-ID: <5762EAF8.5020900@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 20:07:52 +0200 From: Henrik Levkowetz User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Russ Housley , IETF Tools Development References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Fbi7IuKlUGtgdPADtMGU3OLNbOtGsG1o9" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 81.235.150.134 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/photos/ X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 18:08:02 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Fbi7IuKlUGtgdPADtMGU3OLNbOtGsG1o9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2016-06-16 19:33, Russ Housley wrote: > I think it would be good to change the label on grey bar at the top os = the area to the abbreviation =E2=80=94 the full name. Then, clicking on = one of those should go to the area page. >=20 > If this is done, the area name can be removed from the caption for each= picture. Fixed in my working copy. Will be part of the next release. 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So, we have expanded these instructions for python-based p= rojects. Please review to make sure we got it right. I have reviewed the web page. I like the information. My question: most of these things sounds like options, "suggestions", if you like... you "should" include a file... etc. Do you want the wording to be more strong, to stress that these are requirements, not options? > We need to come up with something very similar for non-python-based proje= cts before we release the RFP for the RFC format tools. Since AMS will hav= e to do the install and maintenance of that software, I am wondering if som= eone from AMS can take the first pass, and then bring it to this list for r= eview. Ultimately, "someone from AMS" is likely to be me, but I feel rather inadequate to this task. Where to begin? Take the above page and copy it and change it? I would be grateful for any pointers or tips on how to get this started... 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([2601:647:4d00:abf0:144b:6b7d:6426:d381]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y127sm734734ywy.47.2016.06.22.15.15.13 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:15:14 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_96B28F61-7B65-4644-B8DF-7159CCE42DC1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) X-Pgp-Agent: GPGMail 2.5.2 From: Bob Hinden Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 15:15:13 -0700 Message-Id: <2D77F09C-E650-450E-BFF8-008472E66A5F@gmail.com> References: To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: [V6providers] Webex support for IPv6? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 22:15:20 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_96B28F61-7B65-4644-B8DF-7159CCE42DC1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Russ, I think the IETF should talk to our contacts at Cisco about the lack of = IPv6 support for Webex. If they aren=E2=80=99t going to support IPv6, we should find something = else. Bob > Begin forwarded message: >=20 > From: =F0=9F=94=93Dan Wing > Subject: Re: [V6providers] Webex support for IPv6? > Date: June 22, 2016 at 9:25:18 AM PDT > To: v6providers@test-ipv6.com, Bob Hinden >=20 >=20 > On 04-May-2016 02:57 pm, Bob Hinden wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> Cisco=E2=80=99s web site says it works, but I talked to someone who = said in practice >> it doesn=E2=80=99t. >>=20 >> Anyone have any information? >=20 > Bob, everyone else: >=20 > I am embarrassed to write this. Long story short: the WebEx servers = do not support IPv6 for WebEx services (audio/video/screen/file = sharing). The WebEx clients support IPv6-only (with DNS64/NAT64) and = dual stack. If IPv6 is required for WebEx services, please make that = requirement loud and clear to your Cisco account team. >=20 > -d >=20 >=20 >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Bob >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --- 8< --- detachments --- 8< --- >> The following attachments have been detached and are available for = viewing. >> http://detached.gigo.com/mg/tm/B5tIVtC5/signature.asc >> Only click these links if you trust the sender, as well as this = message. >> --- 8< --- detachments --- 8< --- >> _______________________________________________ >> REMINDER: Chatham House Rule is in effect. >> V6providers mailing list >> http://lists.test-ipv6.com/mailman/listinfo/v6providers >> http://archives.test-ipv6.com/v6providers >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_96B28F61-7B65-4644-B8DF-7159CCE42DC1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: GPGTools - https://gpgtools.org iQEcBAEBCgAGBQJXaw3xAAoJEK7rdBF357uo7YQH/384ZW8BY/I1JXiI0R3tAZ/T fWAGmECBxiQjSOQ/Mv6dC/ziRwdVewNubPcniqqXxAJvliE3dYLu5pBOOZNKguR1 91WWpMhbGtB54uMxqGv4BpyadeP48L4ouf1H4LS3XuriNSVBcncukXuIZWb9QlZF Z3NQarhnUtopfZbxmWJp8dU3XbGXs9P0fkgjQKaVT1p3wW3U+ZbjtldFMPTltRBI 7rGil26NlmuqeGoySzH/B9V8KHJzNXyWM5Q9pb9l3bycjSTdJKZAsrI3Ymp4E4Kk 4zyClB2cRotaPZc5/1UOx8GDtHQj099LQWZjIP0ivNUsyWf21xNyI+NGDdJCOzM= =VYpu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_96B28F61-7B65-4644-B8DF-7159CCE42DC1-- From nobody Thu Jun 23 08:15:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8109412D162 for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 08:15:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mn5Hb14QGskf for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 08:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8374212D18A for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 08:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4418330049F for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 11:15:34 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 0wJD42SKYzuL for ; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 11:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [5.5.33.242] (vpn.snozzages.com [204.42.252.17]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 10FA8300463; Thu, 23 Jun 2016 11:15:31 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <2D77F09C-E650-450E-BFF8-008472E66A5F@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 11:14:44 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2D06C252-3F9D-4E86-AF9C-8E03B4884230@vigilsec.com> References: <2D77F09C-E650-450E-BFF8-008472E66A5F@gmail.com> To: Ray Pelletier X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Cc: IETF Tools Development Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [V6providers] Webex support for IPv6? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 15:15:38 -0000 Ray: Please tell our contacts at Cisco that our community insisted on a = solution that supports IPv6. If they cannot support IPv6 in some = reasonable timeframe, then we might need to investigate alternatives to = see if any of them can do so. Russ On Jun 22, 2016, at 6:15 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Russ, >=20 > I think the IETF should talk to our contacts at Cisco about the lack = of IPv6 support for Webex. >=20 > If they aren=E2=80=99t going to support IPv6, we should find something = else. >=20 > Bob >=20 >=20 >> Begin forwarded message: >>=20 >> From: =F0=9F=94=93Dan Wing >> Subject: Re: [V6providers] Webex support for IPv6? >> Date: June 22, 2016 at 9:25:18 AM PDT >> To: v6providers@test-ipv6.com, Bob Hinden >>=20 >>=20 >> On 04-May-2016 02:57 pm, Bob Hinden wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> Cisco=E2=80=99s web site says it works, but I talked to someone who = said in practice >>> it doesn=E2=80=99t. >>>=20 >>> Anyone have any information? >>=20 >> Bob, everyone else: >>=20 >> I am embarrassed to write this. Long story short: the WebEx servers = do not support IPv6 for WebEx services (audio/video/screen/file = sharing). The WebEx clients support IPv6-only (with DNS64/NAT64) and = dual stack. If IPv6 is required for WebEx services, please make that = requirement loud and clear to your Cisco account team. >>=20 >> -d >>=20 >>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Bob >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --- 8< --- detachments --- 8< --- >>> The following attachments have been detached and are available for = viewing. >>> http://detached.gigo.com/mg/tm/B5tIVtC5/signature.asc >>> Only click these links if you trust the sender, as well as this = message. >>> --- 8< --- detachments --- 8< --- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> REMINDER: Chatham House Rule is in effect. >>> V6providers mailing list >>> http://lists.test-ipv6.com/mailman/listinfo/v6providers >>> http://archives.test-ipv6.com/v6providers >>=20 >>=20 >=20 From nobody Tue Jun 28 10:55:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C01A12D0AB for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 10:55:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cbe4Ofwf7yQ6 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 10:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0A0D12B029 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 10:55:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A89C93004D6 for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:55:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ECe4WxQ76XNZ for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.2.100] (pool-108-51-128-219.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.51.128.219]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E06930049F for ; Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:55:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 13:52:58 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 5 July 2016 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 17:55:35 -0000 Tools Call Agenda -- 5 July 2016 at 1:00 Eastern 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan - Contracts for Datatracker Enhancements -- Robert -- Interim Meeting Management -- Tracking Internet-Draft Manual Post Requests -- Review Tracking - Meeting Materials Management -- Robert - Merge Meeting Materials and Proceedings -- Robert - Author Statistics -- Russ 2. Community & Other Projects - Improvements to the mail archive application -- Robert and Ryan - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Joe 3. RFC Services Projects - Contracts for Improvements to RFC Services -- Heather -- RFC Editor Statistics and Metrics - RSE's Design Teams -- Heather - RFC Format-related SOWs -- Robert - CSS for the RFCs -- Heather 4. Transition of Mission Critical Tools - Moving issue trackers and wikis for IETF WGs on ietf.org -- Henrik 5. Server Infrastructure - Migrate from Django 1.8 to 1.9 -- Henrik - Migrate from MySQL to PostgreSQL -- Henrik - CDN support for HTML and PDF I-Ds -- Henrik - Mailman and internationalized email addresses -- Glen 6. IDIQ Contractors - RFP for more IDIQ contractors -- Ray 7. Parking Lot - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert - Improve infrastructure for finding and fetching artifacts -- Robert - Author information for very old I-Ds in the datatracker -- Robert - Replace I-Ds in proceedings with links to archive copy? - Performance improvements and transition to Postgres -- Henrik - VM Architecture for Servers -- Robert - Submit an I-D directly from GitHub 8. AOB