From nobody Wed Oct 4 09:25:20 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBD9124F57 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:25:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0x9aa8pLiVqR for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 906EF132941 for ; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1F6C1C1DAD; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:25:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WHpr2fje_g5V; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:25:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:645:8004:a1d:a502:efdd:4aef:d626] (unknown [IPv6:2601:645:8004:a1d:a502:efdd:4aef:d626]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C21801C1D18; Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:25:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Liz Flynn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BA459694-5F85-4E6E-94D2-0BD90ADB1D55" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2017 09:25:12 -0700 References: <88e1dc7e-46ff-70d5-a194-07967857ae46@levkowetz.com> <635578dc-568e-5415-7bb9-1561b077fbce@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks , tools-development@ietf.org In-Reply-To: <635578dc-568e-5415-7bb9-1561b077fbce@nostrum.com> Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 4 October 2017 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2017 16:25:19 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BA459694-5F85-4E6E-94D2-0BD90ADB1D55 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi everyone, just want to remind you of today=E2=80=99s call. 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On 9/26/17 3:43 PM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
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On 2017-09-26 17:23, Russ Housley wrote:

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1. Datatracker Projects
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     -- http://tra=
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Updated as of September 26th.  Another =
update likely before October 4th.
I don't expect major changes before the 4th. 

      

        
   - Volunteer Enhancements
     -- Submit an I-D directly from GitHub -- Robert


      

      
Released on Sep. 17 as part of =
6.62.0

    

    Martin has been testing this, and is asking for people to use it
    with their projects and provide feedback.

    See
<https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/NqA=
jZYdJG6Ns8ccvT8soaZZHeM0>

    

      

      

        
     -- Improve NomCom feedback tools =
-- Robert

      

    

    Still in progress, but it's all small things at the moment.

    

      

        
   - Migrate to Django 1.11 -- Henrik


      

      
Most likely in December.



      

        
2. Community & Other Projects
   - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert

      

    

    No significant changes since the last call.

    

      

        
   - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and =
Russ

3. RFC Services Projects
   - RFC Format Contracts -- Heather and Robert
     -- IDnits
     -- Publication Formatter
     -- RFClint
     -- SVGcheck
     -- Text Submission
     -- XMLdiff

4. Server Infrastructure
   - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Robert and Alexey
     -- Mailman upgrade
     -- Impact on Internet-Draft-specific mail aliases

5. Parking Lot
   - Prepare the RFC Production Center code for publication

6. AOB

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1) All the critical bugs/issues have been addressed by Torchbox.  There =
are few outstanding issues, but none are blockers to deployment.

2) A handful of pages are awaiting =E2=80=9Cv1=E2=80=9D of content, =
otherwise the content for the "Top 100=E2=80=9D pages is ready for =
review by the content =E2=80=98editors'

A full update is here:  =
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LCk9Fn2kdeJPNPg5z5yIDmHs8KM_HEKbDS=
4k2PVLNSo/edit?usp=3Dsharing

Of note: The Secretariat have now provided a model meeting page with =
childless pages (for IETF 101). The plan is to bring the last 10 pages =
in alignment with this.

3) There is an open question about where IESG Statements, and Appeals =
and Responses should live.

The proposal is to move them to the datatracker. This seems technically =
feasible (but will require some development, perhaps at the next =
CodeSprint).

ACTION: Ask the IESG whether they agree with this proposal  -- Alexey =
has the action to raise this with the IESG.

IN THE INTERIM: We will create a set of index pages on the Wagtail =
website an point to static web pages.

4) Conduct non-IETF participant interviews to review and get feedback on =
the site. Four (4) interviews have been conduced. The summary is that =
the new website is much more understandable and appealing. There were a =
few suggestions about information to provide (notably about meeting =
registration, including registration for remote participation).  See =
https://github.com/ietf/www.ietf.org/issues for more details.

5) Prepare for next round of community review.  By 19 October, we will =
be ready for the next round of community review. I intend to craft an =
update and invitation to review the website to share with the community. =
We plan to have =E2=80=98office hours=E2=80=99 at IETF 101.

6) Ensure WCAG 2.0 compliance. Torchbox has implemented changes that =
have improved the situation. We believe the new pages now outperform the =
old www.ietf.org site in terms of WCAG compliance. However, improving =
accessibility will continue to be an area of focus for the revamped =
website, especially as we develop norms for content.

7) Improve data use and load times. The beta.ietf.org website was moved =
to the CDN used by www.ietf.org, significantly improving load times. We =
will continue to optimize elements such as images to further improve =
performance as experienced by the visitor. Of note, the reviewers =
interviewed did not report load time as a significant issue.

Russ & Greg


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Hi Tony,(anyone)

    I did a bit more to address reuse as the core makefile/repo is now
being used on a bunch of drafts.  I've added travis ci support for
drafts with yang models too. 

Check out: https://github.com/louberger/xml-internet-draft-sample

a more complex draft can be found in https://github.com/louberger/ttesting

Lou

On 7/31/2017 1:52 PM, HANSEN, TONY L wrote:
> It’ll be interesting seeing what you come up with for CI. I’m particularly interested on having an eye on it towards reuse.
>
> 	Tony
>
> On 7/31/17, 1:03 PM, "Lou Berger"  wrote:
>
>     This is great! Thank you.
>     
>     Now I'll have to automate checks as part of ci...
>     
>     Lou
>     
>     
>     On July 31, 2017 12:09:57 PM "HANSEN, TONY L"  wrote:
>     
>     > :)
>     >
>     > For those copying the URLs below, instead of this:
>     >
>     > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_idnits-3Furl-3Dhttps-3A__xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org_cgi-2Dbin_xml2rfc-2Ddev.cgi-3Furl-3Dhttps-3A__raw.githubusercontent.com_ietf-2Drtg-2Darea-2Dyang-2Darch-2Ddt_meta-2Dmodel_master_logical-2Dnetwork-2Delement_draft-2Dietf-2Drtgwg-2Dlne-2Dmodel.xml-26modeAsFormat-3Dascii&d=DwIDaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=Kz8VdgPVctDNSNPJ6PsBaw&m=hOxZsFWl-FxWFgkUsBHVdrMwb5VYk7o662f_Gi0u3cc&s=1VxgfkpC57NdUoZdM488jKmeUmQTJKS9IwCZVtNuzb4&e= 
>     >
>     > you should use this:
>     >
>     > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_idnits-3Furl-3Dhttps-3A__xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org_cgi-2Dbin_xml2rfc.cgi-3Furl-3Dhttps-3A__raw.githubusercontent.com_ietf-2Drtg-2Darea-2Dyang-2Darch-2Ddt_meta-2Dmodel_master_logical-2Dnetwork-2Delement_draft-2Dietf-2Drtgwg-2Dlne-2Dmodel.xml-26modeAsFormat-3Dascii&d=DwIDaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=Kz8VdgPVctDNSNPJ6PsBaw&m=hOxZsFWl-FxWFgkUsBHVdrMwb5VYk7o662f_Gi0u3cc&s=nPdoOL7br7spMxa1G27CadbyOVkxofQBxdaMbp4tI5s&e= 
>     >
>     > (note the “-dev” was deleted)
>     >
>     > 	Tony
>     >
>     > On 7/31/17, 12:02 PM, "Henrik Levkowetz"  wrote:
>     >
>     >     Nice! :-)
>     >
>     >     	Henrik
>     >
>     >     On 2017-07-31 17:58, HANSEN, TONY L wrote:
>     >     > Thank you, Henrik.
>     >     >
>     >     > I successfully tested the new idnits with the dev version of xml2rfc.cgi. 
>     >     So I pushed the necessary changes out to the xml2rfc.cgi as well.
>     >     >
>     >     > So this works now:
>     >     >
>     >     > 
>     >     https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_idnits-3Furl-3Dhttps-3A__xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org_cgi-2Dbin_xml2rfc-2Ddev.cgi-3Furl-3Dhttps-3A__raw.githubusercontent.com_ietf-2Drtg-2Darea-2Dyang-2Darch-2Ddt_meta-2Dmodel_master_logical-2Dnetwork-2Delement_draft-2Dietf-2Drtgwg-2Dlne-2Dmodel.xml-26modeAsFormat-3Dascii&d=DwIDaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=Kz8VdgPVctDNSNPJ6PsBaw&m=hOxZsFWl-FxWFgkUsBHVdrMwb5VYk7o662f_Gi0u3cc&s=1VxgfkpC57NdUoZdM488jKmeUmQTJKS9IwCZVtNuzb4&e= 
>     >     >
>     >     > As does this shorter call:
>     >     >
>     >     > 
>     >     https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_idnits-3Furl-3Dhttps-3A__xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org_cgi-2Dbin_github2text_ietf-2Drtg-2Darea-2Dyang-2Darch-2Ddt_meta-2Dmodel_master_logical-2Dnetwork-2Delement_draft-2Dietf-2Drtgwg-2Dlne-2Dmodel.xml&d=DwIDaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=Kz8VdgPVctDNSNPJ6PsBaw&m=hOxZsFWl-FxWFgkUsBHVdrMwb5VYk7o662f_Gi0u3cc&s=d7QFknn1jl4tGSJcp7Wmouzm0-eiQ3N9rzKu1qxKZmE&e= 
>     >     >
>     >     > 	Tony
>     >     >
>     >     > On 7/31/17, 10:42 AM, "Henrik Levkowetz"  wrote:
>     >     >
>     >     >     Hi Tony,
>     >     >
>     >     >     Lou just poked me on this; sorry for loosing track of it.
>     >     >
>     >     >     Inline:
>     >     >
>     >     >     On 2017-07-21 15:58, HANSEN, TONY L wrote:
>     >     >     > On 7/21/17, 3:50 AM, "Lou Berger"  wrote:
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Hi Tony,
>     >     >     >     	I did think of one thing that would be good to improve related 
>     >     to this:
>     >     >     >     the ability to pass the results of web xml2rfc to idnits
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     for example, the following doesn't work:
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     
>     >     https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__tools.ietf.org_idnits-3Furl-3Dhttps-3A__xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org_cgi-2Dbin_xml2rfc.cgi-3Furl-3Dhttps-3A__raw.githubusercontent.com_ietf-2Drtg-2Darea-2Dyang-2Darch-2Ddt_meta-2Dmodel_master_logical-2Dnetwork-2Delement_draft-2Dietf-2Drtgwg-2Dlne-2Dmodel.xml-26modeAsFormat-3Dascii&d=DwIDaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=Kz8VdgPVctDNSNPJ6PsBaw&m=hOxZsFWl-FxWFgkUsBHVdrMwb5VYk7o662f_Gi0u3cc&s=nPdoOL7br7spMxa1G27CadbyOVkxofQBxdaMbp4tI5s&e= 
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >     Lou
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > This is an integration problem between web xml2rfc and idnits. 
>     >     Idnits returns the following error:
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >        Unexpected file name
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >        The uploaded file didn't have the expected .txt extenstion.
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > Henrik, these are the headers that are returned from xml2rfc:
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > 	HTTP/1.1 200 OK
>     >     >     > 	Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 13:22:03 GMT
>     >     >     > 	Server: Apache/2.2.22 (Debian)
>     >     >     > 	Vary: Accept-Encoding
>     >     >     > 	Transfer-Encoding: chunked
>     >     >     > 	Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > I then modified xml2rfc-dev.cgi to generate this additional header:
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > 	Content-Disposition: inline; filename="url.txt"
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > But it made no difference.
>     >     >
>     >     >     I've added support for a filename being provided with the 
>     >     Content-Disposition
>     >     >     header field; this should work now.
>     >     >
>     >     >     > What in particular is idnits looking for?
>     >     >
>     >     >     Simply the extension to which the uploaded file was saved, which was 
>     >     taken
>     >     >     from the upload form name, or the url directly, earlier.
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >     Best regards,
>     >     >
>     >     >     	Henrik
>     >     >
>     >     >
>     >     >     > 	Tony
>     >     >     >
>     >     >     > _______________________________________________
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>     >     >     > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
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Hi Henrik,

Input file: General
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Issue(s): https in boilerplate text
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FYI - It looks as though https in the boilerplate (copyright/Status of =
This Memo) is not accepted.=20

For example:

Error: Unexpected text: expected 'Drafts is at
   http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/.', found 'Drafts is at =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/.=20


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Hi Megan,

On 2017-10-11 00:40, Megan Ferguson wrote:
> Hi Henrik,
>=20
> Input file: General
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> Issue(s): https in boilerplate text
> Level: minor
>=20
> FYI - It looks as though https in the boilerplate (copyright/Status
> of This Memo) is not accepted.
>=20
> For example:
>=20
> Error: Unexpected text: expected 'Drafts is at
>    http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/.', found 'Drafts is at h=
ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/.=20
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>=20
> Error: Unexpected text: expected '(http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info=
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>    in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review=
 these documents carefully, as they describe your
>    rights and restrictions with respect to this document.', found '(htt=
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>    the date of'

Right.  I get the same here.  Will fix and make a new release.


Best regards,

	Henrik



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Dear tools team,
I had somebody complain about a draft transitioning from "AD is
watching" to "Dead" on expiration and then staying in that state when a
new revision is submitted. Is there a particular reason why it works
this way?

Thank you,
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Hi Alexey,

On 2017-10-24 14:13, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
> Dear tools team,

> I had somebody complain about a draft transitioning from "AD is
> watching" to "Dead" on expiration and then staying in that state when a=

> new revision is submitted. Is there a particular reason why it works
> this way?

I've just looked at the draft expiration code.

To understand this, one should keep in mind that there are multiple state=
s
and state machines associated with a draft.  One is the stream state, ano=
ther
the iesg state, a third the rfc-editor state.

If a draft has not started IESG processing, nothing special would happen =
on
expiry.  The stream state would be expired, and would change back to acti=
ve
with a new submission.

If the document has started IESG processing, and is in any state except
'watching' and 'dead', it won't be permitted to expire.  However, in stat=
e
'watching', the IESG state will be set to 'dead' on expiry, and will have=

to be manually set back to 'watching' by the AD.  This does not affect th=
e
stream state of the document, which should automatically go to 'active' o=
n
re-submission.

I don't recall the reason why the IESG transition from 'watching' to 'dea=
d'
has been explicitly coded in, but I can see several problems with not pla=
cing
an expired document in 'dead'.

The remaining question is whether the document's IESG state should be
automatically restored to something other than 'dead' when a new version
is submitted, and I suspect the answer is 'it depends' rather than a clea=
r
'yes'; hence it's better to let the AD handle this manually.


I hope this helps.  If the document in question hasn't behaved according =
to
what I write above, I'd be happy to have a closer look.


Best regards,

	Henrik



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This seems right to me.  The "AD is Watching" state is not supposed to =
block expiry, so what IESG state makes more sense for a expired draft?

Russ


> On Oct 24, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Alexey Melnikov  =
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> Dear tools team,
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> watching" to "Dead" on expiration and then staying in that state when =
a
> new revision is submitted. Is there a particular reason why it works
> this way?
>=20
> Thank you,
> Alexey
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IIUC, The person that Alexey mentioned thought that the transition to =
=E2=80=9Cdead=E2=80=9D should be an explicit AD/IESG action, not an =
automatic one.

 I=E2=80=99m not sure what I think about that=E2=80=94just relaying the =
message. It seem like some people read more meaning into the word =
=E2=80=9Cdead=E2=80=9D than do others.

Ben.

> On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Russ Housley  =
wrote:
>=20
> This seems right to me.  The "AD is Watching" state is not supposed to =
block expiry, so what IESG state makes more sense for a expired draft?
>=20
> Russ
>=20
>=20
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Alexey Melnikov  =
wrote:
>>=20
>> Dear tools team,
>> I had somebody complain about a draft transitioning from "AD is
>> watching" to "Dead" on expiration and then staying in that state when =
a
>> new revision is submitted. Is there a particular reason why it works
>> this way?
>>=20
>> Thank you,
>> Alexey
>>=20
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On 2017-10-24 17:13, Ben Campbell wrote:
> IIUC, The person that Alexey mentioned thought that the transition to
> =E2=80=9Cdead=E2=80=9D should be an explicit AD/IESG action, not an aut=
omatic one.
>=20
> I=E2=80=99m not sure what I think about that=E2=80=94just relaying the =
message. It
> seem like some people read more meaning into the word =E2=80=9Cdead=E2=80=
=9D than do
> others.

Seems to me that this is in part a matter of what should be manual and
what automatic.  Either moving expired drafts to dead so they don't litte=
r
up various lists of items under IESG processing should be automatic,
and resurrecting them manual, or moving them to dead in the first place
should be manual.

Seeing this from the outside, the current setup makes most sense to me,
but if the IESG decides it should be handled differently, I'll adjust.


Best regards,

	Henrik

>=20
> Ben.
>=20
>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Russ Housley  wrote=
:
>>=20
>> This seems right to me.  The "AD is Watching" state is not supposed to=
 block expiry, so what IESG state makes more sense for a expired draft?
>>=20
>> Russ
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On Oct 24, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Alexey Melnikov =
 wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Dear tools team,
>>> I had somebody complain about a draft transitioning from "AD is
>>> watching" to "Dead" on expiration and then staying in that state when=
 a
>>> new revision is submitted. Is there a particular reason why it works
>>> this way?
>>>=20
>>> Thank you,
>>> Alexey
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list
>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development
>>=20
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>=20
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Hi Megan,

On 2017-10-11 00:40, Megan Ferguson wrote:
> Hi Henrik,
>=20
> Input file: General
> Version: 1.3.0
> Issue(s): https in boilerplate text
> Level: minor
>=20
> FYI - It looks as though https in the boilerplate (copyright/Status of =
This Memo) is not accepted.=20

Ok.  I've just released 1.3.1 which should handle this correctly.  Sorry
for the delay, there's been a lot of meeting-related tweaks and issues to=

handle the last few weeks.


Best regards,

	Henrik

> For example:
>=20
> Error: Unexpected text: expected 'Drafts is at
>    http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/.', found 'Drafts is at h=
ttps://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/.=20
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>=20
> Error: Unexpected text: expected '(http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info=
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Thanks, Henrik!

I=92ll pass info about this update along to our team.

Megan

On Oct 30, 2017, at 6:13 AM, Henrik Levkowetz  =
wrote:

> Hi Megan,
>=20
> On 2017-10-11 00:40, Megan Ferguson wrote:
>> Hi Henrik,
>>=20
>> Input file: General
>> Version: 1.3.0
>> Issue(s): https in boilerplate text
>> Level: minor
>>=20
>> FYI - It looks as though https in the boilerplate (copyright/Status =
of This Memo) is not accepted.=20
>=20
> Ok.  I've just released 1.3.1 which should handle this correctly.  =
Sorry
> for the delay, there's been a lot of meeting-related tweaks and issues =
to
> handle the last few weeks.
>=20
>=20
> Best regards,
>=20
> 	Henrik
>=20
>> For example:
>>=20
>> Error: Unexpected text: expected 'Drafts is at
>>   http://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/.', found 'Drafts is at =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/.=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Error: Unexpected text: expected =
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>>   in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please =
review these documents carefully, as they describe your
>>   rights and restrictions with respect to this document.', found =
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>>=20
>> Thank you.
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Hi, I'm trying to replace an agenda and having some issues that may be a
related to a previously seen user (me) issue.  I'm replacing an htm file
generated by someone else and after upload, I see the original file.
Note there is *no* error reported on upload and I have verified that
there is real content in the file.  Can someone help?  This is for
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/session/teas  -00 was uploaded
by Matt Hartley and I uploaded -00 and -01.

Thanks,
Lou


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Hi Lou,

On 2017-10-30 23:05, Lou Berger wrote:
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a
> related to a previously seen user (me) issue.  I'm replacing an htm fil=
e
> generated by someone else and after upload, I see the original file.
> Note there is *no* error reported on upload and I have verified that
> there is real content in the file.  Can someone help?  This is for
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/session/teas  -00 was uploaded=

> by Matt Hartley and I uploaded -00 and -01.

-00, -01, -02, and -03 have all landed in the agenda directory for IETF
100, so the uploads have worked.  I now see -03 (which is .txt, the 3
first were html).  Not sure what the problem is, and what I can do to
assist.


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Hi Henrik,

Thanks for the quick response.

-01 and-02 showed the -00 rev after upload. Do you have artifacts for the 
01 and 02 revs? If you do have the artifacts and they show the same as - 0 
0 then something definitely went wrong on the server end as I didn't have 
the - 00 Rev on my machine . If they are different  then I guess it could 
have been a caching issue somewhere along the way.

Btw I had no issue uploading the initial version for a different working group.

Thanks again,

Lou


On October 30, 2017 7:51:22 PM Henrik Levkowetz  wrote:

> Hi Lou,
>
> On 2017-10-30 23:05, Lou Berger wrote:
>> Hi, I'm trying to replace an agenda and having some issues that may be a
>> related to a previously seen user (me) issue.  I'm replacing an htm file
>> generated by someone else and after upload, I see the original file.
>> Note there is *no* error reported on upload and I have verified that
>> there is real content in the file.  Can someone help?  This is for
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/session/teas  -00 was uploaded
>> by Matt Hartley and I uploaded -00 and -01.
>
> -00, -01, -02, and -03 have all landed in the agenda directory for IETF
> 100, so the uploads have worked.  I now see -03 (which is .txt, the 3
> first were html).  Not sure what the problem is, and what I can do to
> assist.
>
>
> 	Henrik
>



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Hi Lou,

On 2017-10-31 00:59, Lou Berger wrote:
> Hi Henrik,
>=20
> Thanks for the quick response.
>=20
> -01 and-02 showed the -00 rev after upload. Do you have artifacts for t=
he=20
> 01 and 02 revs? If you do have the artifacts and they show the same as =
- 0=20
> 0 then something definitely went wrong on the server end as I didn't ha=
ve=20
> the - 00 Rev on my machine . If they are different  then I guess it cou=
ld=20
> have been a caching issue somewhere along the way.

They are all different.  So I'd suspect a caching issue.

> Btw I had no issue uploading the initial version for a different
> working group.

Ok, good.

> Thanks again,

No worries.

	Henrik


> Lou
>=20
>=20
> On October 30, 2017 7:51:22 PM Henrik Levkowetz  =
wrote:
>=20
>> Hi Lou,
>>
>> On 2017-10-30 23:05, Lou Berger wrote:
>>> Hi, I'm trying to replace an agenda and having some issues that may b=
e a
>>> related to a previously seen user (me) issue.  I'm replacing an htm f=
ile
>>> generated by someone else and after upload, I see the original file.
>>> Note there is *no* error reported on upload and I have verified that
>>> there is real content in the file.  Can someone help?  This is for
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/session/teas  -00 was upload=
ed
>>> by Matt Hartley and I uploaded -00 and -01.
>>
>> -00, -01, -02, and -03 have all landed in the agenda directory for IET=
F
>> 100, so the uploads have worked.  I now see -03 (which is .txt, the 3
>> first were html).  Not sure what the problem is, and what I can do to
>> assist.
>>
>>
>> 	Henrik
>>
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Okay. Thanks.  I'll try again in a bit...

Lou


On October 30, 2017 8:01:57 PM Henrik Levkowetz  wrote:

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>
> On 2017-10-31 00:59, Lou Berger wrote:
>> Hi Henrik,
>>
>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>
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>> 01 and 02 revs? If you do have the artifacts and they show the same as - 0
>> 0 then something definitely went wrong on the server end as I didn't have
>> the - 00 Rev on my machine . If they are different  then I guess it could
>> have been a caching issue somewhere along the way.
>
> They are all different.  So I'd suspect a caching issue.
>
>> Btw I had no issue uploading the initial version for a different
>> working group.
>
> Ok, good.
>
>> Thanks again,
>
> No worries.
>
> 	Henrik
>
>
>> Lou
>>
>>
>> On October 30, 2017 7:51:22 PM Henrik Levkowetz  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lou,
>>>
>>> On 2017-10-30 23:05, Lou Berger wrote:
>>>> Hi, I'm trying to replace an agenda and having some issues that may be a
>>>> related to a previously seen user (me) issue.  I'm replacing an htm file
>>>> generated by someone else and after upload, I see the original file.
>>>> Note there is *no* error reported on upload and I have verified that
>>>> there is real content in the file.  Can someone help?  This is for
>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/session/teas  -00 was uploaded
>>>> by Matt Hartley and I uploaded -00 and -01.
>>>
>>> -00, -01, -02, and -03 have all landed in the agenda directory for IETF
>>> 100, so the uploads have worked.  I now see -03 (which is .txt, the 3
>>> first were html).  Not sure what the problem is, and what I can do to
>>> assist.
>>>
>>>
>>> 	Henrik
>>>
>>
>>
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Henrick,

There's definitely something odd going on a agenda *replacement*.  I ran
a test this morning on the TEAS WG.  I first uploaded the detnet agenda
(as a test) as I knew it loaded fine.  After upload as -4 rev of agenda,
it was not immediately available (at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/materials/agenda-100-teas/)
either using the same browser or a different browser or even a different
machine -  it did show up after waiting a few minutes.

I then repeated the same process for the real agenda (rev -05) and ran
into *exactly* the same behavior.  The old agenda showed for *minutes*.
I tested this from multiple browsers and multiple machines.

On a related note, the tools page for
https://tools.ietf.org/wg/teas/agenda says "Sorry, no agenda available
as of today. Either no meeting was held, or the document has not yet
been submitted."

Thanks for the help,
Lou


On 10/30/2017 08:09 PM, Lou Berger wrote:
> Okay. Thanks.  I'll try again in a bit...
> 
> Lou
> 
> 
> On October 30, 2017 8:01:57 PM Henrik Levkowetz 
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Lou,
>>
>> On 2017-10-31 00:59, Lou Berger wrote:
>>> Hi Henrik,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>>
>>> -01 and-02 showed the -00 rev after upload. Do you have artifacts for
>>> the
>>> 01 and 02 revs? If you do have the artifacts and they show the same
>>> as - 0
>>> 0 then something definitely went wrong on the server end as I didn't
>>> have
>>> the - 00 Rev on my machine . If they are different  then I guess it
>>> could
>>> have been a caching issue somewhere along the way.
>>
>> They are all different.  So I'd suspect a caching issue.
>>
>>> Btw I had no issue uploading the initial version for a different
>>> working group.
>>
>> Ok, good.
>>
>>> Thanks again,
>>
>> No worries.
>>
>>     Henrik
>>
>>
>>> Lou
>>>
>>>
>>> On October 30, 2017 7:51:22 PM Henrik Levkowetz
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Lou,
>>>>
>>>> On 2017-10-30 23:05, Lou Berger wrote:
>>>>> Hi, I'm trying to replace an agenda and having some issues that may
>>>>> be a
>>>>> related to a previously seen user (me) issue.  I'm replacing an htm
>>>>> file
>>>>> generated by someone else and after upload, I see the original file.
>>>>> Note there is *no* error reported on upload and I have verified that
>>>>> there is real content in the file.  Can someone help?  This is for
>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/session/teas  -00 was
>>>>> uploaded
>>>>> by Matt Hartley and I uploaded -00 and -01.
>>>>
>>>> -00, -01, -02, and -03 have all landed in the agenda directory for IETF
>>>> 100, so the uploads have worked.  I now see -03 (which is .txt, the 3
>>>> first were html).  Not sure what the problem is, and what I can do to
>>>> assist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Henrik
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list
>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development
>>>
>>
> 
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Hi Lou,

On 2017-10-31 14:17, Lou Berger wrote:
> Henrick,
>=20
> There's definitely something odd going on a agenda *replacement*.  I ra=
n
> a test this morning on the TEAS WG.  I first uploaded the detnet agenda=

> (as a test) as I knew it loaded fine.  After upload as -4 rev of agenda=
,
> it was not immediately available (at
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/materials/agenda-100-teas/)
> either using the same browser or a different browser or even a differen=
t
> machine -  it did show up after waiting a few minutes.

I just checked.  That view is cached for 5 minutes on the server.  I'll
reduce that to 60 seconds.

> I then repeated the same process for the real agenda (rev -05) and ran
> into *exactly* the same behavior.  The old agenda showed for *minutes*.=

> I tested this from multiple browsers and multiple machines.
>=20
> On a related note, the tools page for
> https://tools.ietf.org/wg/teas/agenda says "Sorry, no agenda available
> as of today. Either no meeting was held, or the document has not yet
> been submitted."

Huh.  Ok, I'll check.


Best regards,

	Henrik

> Thanks for the help,
> Lou
>=20
>=20
> On 10/30/2017 08:09 PM, Lou Berger wrote:
>> Okay. Thanks.  I'll try again in a bit...
>>=20
>> Lou
>>=20
>>=20
>> On October 30, 2017 8:01:57 PM Henrik Levkowetz =

>> wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hi Lou,
>>>
>>> On 2017-10-31 00:59, Lou Berger wrote:
>>>> Hi Henrik,
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the quick response.
>>>>
>>>> -01 and-02 showed the -00 rev after upload. Do you have artifacts fo=
r
>>>> the
>>>> 01 and 02 revs? If you do have the artifacts and they show the same
>>>> as - 0
>>>> 0 then something definitely went wrong on the server end as I didn't=

>>>> have
>>>> the - 00 Rev on my machine . If they are different  then I guess it
>>>> could
>>>> have been a caching issue somewhere along the way.
>>>
>>> They are all different.  So I'd suspect a caching issue.
>>>
>>>> Btw I had no issue uploading the initial version for a different
>>>> working group.
>>>
>>> Ok, good.
>>>
>>>> Thanks again,
>>>
>>> No worries.
>>>
>>>     Henrik
>>>
>>>
>>>> Lou
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On October 30, 2017 7:51:22 PM Henrik Levkowetz
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lou,
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2017-10-30 23:05, Lou Berger wrote:
>>>>>> Hi, I'm trying to replace an agenda and having some issues that ma=
y
>>>>>> be a
>>>>>> related to a previously seen user (me) issue.  I'm replacing an ht=
m
>>>>>> file
>>>>>> generated by someone else and after upload, I see the original fil=
e.
>>>>>> Note there is *no* error reported on upload and I have verified th=
at
>>>>>> there is real content in the file.  Can someone help?  This is for=

>>>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/100/session/teas  -00 was
>>>>>> uploaded
>>>>>> by Matt Hartley and I uploaded -00 and -01.
>>>>>
>>>>> -00, -01, -02, and -03 have all landed in the agenda directory for =
IETF
>>>>> 100, so the uploads have worked.  I now see -03 (which is .txt, the=
 3
>>>>> first were html).  Not sure what the problem is, and what I can do =
to
>>>>> assist.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Henrik
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list
>>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development
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>>>
>>=20
>>=20
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