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Hi Henrik,

Input file: draft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-06
Version: 1.3.0 (we still need to update to 1.3.1)
Issue: Table markup in xml
Files available:
=
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/v3test/draft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-06.original
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/v3test/draft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-06.txt
https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/v3test/draft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-06.xml

Note:  I didn=92t include a diff as the text output is the same as the =
.original version. =20

Section 8.4.5. includes a table that is marked up in xml a bit =
differently than we expected. =20

The text output is the same when using the current version of xml2rfc, =
but instead of creating=20
a continuous comma-separated list in <c> tags, it has generated <c> tags =
for each line.  We are=20
concerned about how this table would be handled by v3 as well as other =
formats (html for example). =20
To try to work around, we added blank lines above and below and tried =
separating the entries=20
using +=97 lines between them (to no avail).  Is there another way to =
make this table work (other=20
than copying the figure in as <artwork>)?

Thank you.

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Hi Megan,

On 2017-11-02 15:18, Megan Ferguson wrote:
> Hi Henrik,
>=20
> Input file: draft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-06
> Version: 1.3.0 (we still need to update to 1.3.1)
> Issue: Table markup in xml
> Files available:
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/v3test/draft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-06.origin=
al
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/v3test/draft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-06.txt
> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/v3test/draft-ietf-nfsv4-xattrs-06.xml
>=20
> Note: I didn=E2=80=99t include a diff as the text output is the same as=
 the
> .original version.

Ack, right.

> Section 8.4.5. includes a table that is marked up in xml a bit
> differently than we expected.
>=20
> The text output is the same when using the current version of
> xml2rfc, but instead of creating a continuous comma-separated list in
> <c> tags, it has generated <c> tags for each line.

Hmm, right.

> We are concerned
> about how this table would be handled by v3 as well as other formats
> (html for example). To try to work around, we added blank lines above
> and below and tried separating the entries using +=E2=80=94 lines betwe=
en
> them (to no avail). Is there another way to make this table work
> (other than copying the figure in as <artwork>)?

I see the problem.  I'm not sure there's a way for the converter to know
for sure whether the lines should be part of one single cell, or should
be separate cells (the way it's done now).

Handling this as <artwork/> would not be good.  It's possible that the
only really good handling would be to manually remove all the extra
<c> and </c> tags from the xml.

I'll see if I can tweak id2xml somehow, though.


Best regards,

	Henrik


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On Nov 2, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> =
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> I see the problem.  I'm not sure there's a way for the converter to =
know
> for sure whether the lines should be part of one single cell, or =
should
> be separate cells (the way it's done now).
>=20
> Handling this as <artwork/> would not be good.  It's possible that the
> only really good handling would be to manually remove all the extra
> <c> and </c> tags from the xml.
>=20
> I'll see if I can tweak id2xml somehow, though.
>=20

This seems like it could be a time-consuming manual change.  Thanks for =
taking a look!

-Megan

>=20
> Best regards,
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> 	Henrik
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>> be separate cells (the way it's done now).
>>
>> Handling this as <artwork/> would not be good.  It's possible that the
>> only really good handling would be to manually remove all the extra
>> <c> and </c> tags from the xml.
>>
>> I'll see if I can tweak id2xml somehow, though.
>>
> 
> This seems like it could be a time-consuming manual change.  Thanks for taking a look!
> 
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I understand the pain point, but I also have to point out that it might 
be counter productive to sink too much time into the conversion tool, 
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Hi Megan,

On 2017-11-02 16:45, Megan Ferguson wrote:
>=20
> On Nov 2, 2017, at 8:07 AM, Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wro=
te:
>>=20
>> I see the problem.  I'm not sure there's a way for the converter to kn=
ow
>> for sure whether the lines should be part of one single cell, or shoul=
d
>> be separate cells (the way it's done now).
>>=20
>> Handling this as <artwork/> would not be good.  It's possible that the=

>> only really good handling would be to manually remove all the extra
>> <c> and </c> tags from the xml.
>>=20
>> I'll see if I can tweak id2xml somehow, though.
>>=20
>=20
> This seems like it could be a time-consuming manual change.  Thanks for=
 taking a look!

Yes.  I think I can make this work with the insertion of border lines
between the line groups.  I have a tentative implementation which now
converts this:

   +----------------------+--------------------------------------------+
   | Operation            | Errors                                     |
   +----------------------+--------------------------------------------+
   | GETXATTR             | NFS4ERR_ACCESS, NFS4ERR_BADXDR,            |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_DEADSESSION, NFS4ERR_DELAY,        |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_FHEXPIRED, NFS4ERR_INVAL,          |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_IO, NFS4ERR_MOVED,                 |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_NAMETOOLONG, NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE, |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_NOTSUPP, NFS4ERR_OP_NOT_IN_SESSION,|
   |                      | NFS4ERR_PERM, NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG,         |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG_TO_CACHE,              |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_REQ_TOO_BIG,                       |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP,                |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_SERVERFAULT, NFS4ERR_STALE,        |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_TOO_MANY_OPS, NFS4ERR_WRONG_TYPE   |
   +----------------------+--------------------------------------------+
   | SETXATTR             | NFS4ERR_ACCESS, NFS4ERR_BADCHAR,           |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_BADXDR, NFS4ERR_DEADSESSION,       |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_DELAY, NFS4ERR_DQUOT,              |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_EXIST, NFS4ERR_FHEXPIRED,          |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_INVAL, NFS4ERR_IO, NFS4ERR_MOVED,  |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_NAMETOOLONG, NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE, |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_NOSPC, NFS4ERR_OP_NOT_IN_SESSION,  |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_PERM, NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG,         |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG_TO_CACHE,              |
=20


Naik & Eshel            Expires January 31, 2018               [Page 19]
^L
Internet Draft        Extended Attributes in NFSv4         July 30, 2017


   |                      | NFS4ERR_REQ_TOO_BIG,                       |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP, NFS4ERR_ROFS,  |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_SERVERFAULT, NFS4ERR_STALE,        |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_TOO_MANY_OPS, NFS4ERR_WRONG_TYPE   |
   +----------------------+--------------------------------------------+
   | LISTXATTRS           | NFS4ERR_ACCESS, NFS4ERR_DEADSESSION,       |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_DELAY, NFS4ERR_INVAL, NFS4ERR_IO,  |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_MOVED, NFS4ERR_NAMETOOLONG,        |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE, NFS4ERR_NOTSUPP,     |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_OP_NOT_IN_SESSION,                 |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_PERM, NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG,         |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG_TO_CACHE,              |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_REQ_TOO_BIG,                       |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP,                |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_SERVERFAULT, NFS4ERR_STALE,        |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_TOO_MANY_OPS, NFS4ERR_WRONG_TYPE   |
   +----------------------+--------------------------------------------+
   | REMOVEXATTR          | NFS4ERR_ACCESS, NFS4ERR_BADCHAR,           |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_BADXDR, NFS4ERR_DEADSESSION,       |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_DELAY, NFS4ERR_DQUOT,              |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_EXIST, NFS4ERR_INVAL, NFS4ERR_IO,  |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_LOCKED, NFS4ERR_MOVED,             |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_NAMETOOLONG, NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE, |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_NOSPC, NFS4ERR_OLD_STATEID,        |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_OPENMODE,                          |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_OP_NOT_IN_SESSION, NFS4ERR_PERM,   |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP, NFS4ERR_ROFS,  |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_SERVERFAULT, NFS4ERR_STALE,        |
   |                      | NFS4ERR_TOO_MANY_OPS, NFS4ERR_WRONG_TYPE   |
   +----------------------+--------------------------------------------+


to xml which produces this:

   +-------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
   | Operation   | Errors                                              |
   +-------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
   | GETXATTR    | NFS4ERR_ACCESS, NFS4ERR_BADXDR,                     |
   |             | NFS4ERR_DEADSESSION, NFS4ERR_DELAY,                 |
   |             | NFS4ERR_FHEXPIRED, NFS4ERR_INVAL, NFS4ERR_IO,       |
   |             | NFS4ERR_MOVED, NFS4ERR_NAMETOOLONG,                 |
   |             | NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE, NFS4ERR_NOTSUPP,              |
   |             | NFS4ERR_OP_NOT_IN_SESSION, NFS4ERR_PERM,            |
   |             | NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG, NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG_TO_CACHE,  |
   |             | NFS4ERR_REQ_TOO_BIG, NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP,    |
   |             | NFS4ERR_SERVERFAULT, NFS4ERR_STALE,                 |
   |             | NFS4ERR_TOO_MANY_OPS, NFS4ERR_WRONG_TYPE            |
   +-------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
   | SETXATTR    | NFS4ERR_ACCESS, NFS4ERR_BADCHAR, NFS4ERR_BADXDR,    |
   |             | NFS4ERR_DEADSESSION, NFS4ERR_DELAY, NFS4ERR_DQUOT,  |
   |             | NFS4ERR_EXIST, NFS4ERR_FHEXPIRED, NFS4ERR_INVAL,    |
   |             | NFS4ERR_IO, NFS4ERR_MOVED, NFS4ERR_NAMETOOLONG,     |
   |             | NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE, NFS4ERR_NOSPC,                |
   |             | NFS4ERR_OP_NOT_IN_SESSION, NFS4ERR_PERM,            |
   |             | NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG, NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG_TO_CACHE,  |
   |             | NFS4ERR_REQ_TOO_BIG, NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP,    |
   |             | NFS4ERR_ROFS, NFS4ERR_SERVERFAULT, NFS4ERR_STALE,   |
   |             | NFS4ERR_TOO_MANY_OPS, NFS4ERR_WRONG_TYPE            |
   +-------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
   | LISTXATTRS  | NFS4ERR_ACCESS, NFS4ERR_DEADSESSION, NFS4ERR_DELAY, |
   |             | NFS4ERR_INVAL, NFS4ERR_IO, NFS4ERR_MOVED,           |
   |             | NFS4ERR_NAMETOOLONG, NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE,          |
   |             | NFS4ERR_NOTSUPP, NFS4ERR_OP_NOT_IN_SESSION,         |
   |             | NFS4ERR_PERM, NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG,                  |
   |             | NFS4ERR_REP_TOO_BIG_TO_CACHE, NFS4ERR_REQ_TOO_BIG,  |
   |             | NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP, NFS4ERR_SERVERFAULT,    |
   |             | NFS4ERR_STALE, NFS4ERR_TOO_MANY_OPS,                |
   |             | NFS4ERR_WRONG_TYPE                                  |
   +-------------+-----------------------------------------------------+
   | REMOVEXATTR | NFS4ERR_ACCESS, NFS4ERR_BADCHAR, NFS4ERR_BADXDR,    |
   |             | NFS4ERR_DEADSESSION, NFS4ERR_DELAY, NFS4ERR_DQUOT,  |
   |             | NFS4ERR_EXIST, NFS4ERR_INVAL, NFS4ERR_IO,           |
   |             | NFS4ERR_LOCKED, NFS4ERR_MOVED, NFS4ERR_NAMETOOLONG, |
   |             | NFS4ERR_NOFILEHANDLE, NFS4ERR_NOSPC,                |
   |             | NFS4ERR_OLD_STATEID, NFS4ERR_OPENMODE,              |
   |             | NFS4ERR_OP_NOT_IN_SESSION, NFS4ERR_PERM,            |
   |             | NFS4ERR_RETRY_UNCACHED_REP, NFS4ERR_ROFS,           |
   |             | NFS4ERR_SERVERFAULT, NFS4ERR_STALE,                 |
   |             | NFS4ERR_TOO_MANY_OPS, NFS4ERR_WRONG_TYPE            |
   +-------------+-----------------------------------------------------+

which seems reasonable.

If you don't want the added borders, you only need to change style=3D'all=
'
to style=3D'full' in the texttable element.

I expect this will be part of the next release.


Best regards,

	Henrik




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Some notes inline:

On 2017-11-03 18:57, Russ Housley wrote:
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The merge plan has been updated.  There's been 2 feature releases and 3
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The dmarc workaround code has been packaged, but testing has proven
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Working on this interleaved with datatracker work and meeting prep.

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Aliases should be handled by the workaround code, too.

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Yes.  This is now item number 12 on the work plan; it can be pushed up if=

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Hi,
IESG is basically Ok with this. See comments below.

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From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF <spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com>
To: Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com>
Cc: Alexey Melnikov <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm>, "iesg@ietf.org" <iesg@ietf.or=
g>Subject: Re: Tools Team question: Moving IESG Statements and Appeals to d=
atatracker?Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 10:54:14 -0700

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Ben Campbell <ben@nostrum.com> wrote:
>
>
> > On Oct 6, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Alexey Melnikov
> > <aamelnikov@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>  >
>  > Dear IESG, On the last tools team call Russ Housley (who is working
>  > with IETF website redesign people) asked me to ask IESG:
>  >
>  >> There is an open question about where IESG Statements, and Appeals
>  >> and Responses should live.
>  >>
>  >> The proposal is to move them to the datatracker. This seems
>  >> technically feasible (but will require some development, perhaps
>  >> at the next CodeSprint).
>  >>
>  >> ACTION: Ask the IESG whether they agree with this proposal
>  >>
>  >> IN THE INTERIM: We will create a set of index pages on the Wagtail
>  >> website an point to static web pages.
>  >
>  > Any objections (or better ideas) to using the static web pages in
>  > short term and migrating them to datatracker in the future?
>  >
>
> I agree, as long as putting them on the datatracker doesn=E2=80=99t make =
them
> harder to find for people who don=E2=80=99t live in the datatracker.
+1 on this. I deleted text about the same thing from my previous note,
because I was assuming that links to the static page now would be
pointing to the datatracker with the appropriate search set to see IESG
statements.
The IAB does something like that with their own Internet Drafts and
RFCs.
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<body><div>Hi,</div>
<div>IESG is basically Ok with this. See comments below.<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>----- Original message -----<br></div>
<div>From: Spencer Dawkins at IETF &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:spencerdawkins.iet=
f@gmail.com">spencerdawkins.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br></div>
<div>To: Ben Campbell &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ben@nostrum.com">ben@nostrum.co=
m</a>&gt;<br></div>
<div>Cc: Alexey Melnikov &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:aamelnikov@fastmail.fm">aame=
lnikov@fastmail.fm</a>&gt;, "<a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org=
</a>" &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:iesg@ietf.org">iesg@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br></div>
<div>Subject: Re: Tools Team question: Moving IESG Statements and Appeals t=
o datatracker?<br></div>
<div>Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 10:54:14 -0700<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div defang_data-gmailquote=3D"yes"><div>On Fri, Oct =
6, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Ben Campbell <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:b=
en@nostrum.com">ben@nostrum.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote defang_data-gmailquote=3D"yes" style=3D"margin-top:0px;margin-r=
ight:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><sp=
an><br><br>&gt; On Oct 6, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Alexey Melnikov &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:aamelnikov@fastmail.fm">aamelnikov@fastmail.fm</a>&gt; wrote:<br> &=
gt;<br> &gt; Dear IESG,<br> &gt; On the last tools team call Russ Housley (=
who is working with IETF<br> &gt; website redesign people) asked me to ask =
IESG:<br> &gt;<br> &gt;&gt; There is an open question about where IESG Stat=
ements, and Appeals and Responses should live.<br> &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt; Th=
e proposal is to move them to the datatracker. This seems technically feasi=
ble (but will require some development, perhaps at the next CodeSprint).<br=
> &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt; ACTION: Ask the IESG whether they agree with this p=
roposal<br> &gt;&gt;<br> &gt;&gt; IN THE INTERIM: We will create a set of i=
ndex pages on the Wagtail website an point to static web pages.<br> &gt;<br=
> &gt; Any objections (or better ideas) to using the static web pages in sh=
ort<br> &gt; term and migrating them to datatracker in the future?<br> &gt;=
<br> <br> </span>I agree, as long as putting them on the datatracker doesn=
=E2=80=99t make them harder to find for people who don=E2=80=99t live in th=
e datatracker.</blockquote><div><br></div>
<div>+1 on this. I deleted text about the same thing from my previous note,=
 because I was assuming that links to the static page now would be pointing=
 to the datatracker with the appropriate search set to see IESG statements.=
&nbsp;<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>The IAB does something like that with their own Internet Drafts and RF=
Cs.<br></div>
<div><br></div>
<div>Spencer&nbsp;<br></div>
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I was looking at various statistics-relating issues and the overall =
picture today in the sprint with Henrik.

I was working on fixing some bugs in my tools that Tero had noted, as =
well as thinking about developing a new function (either in data tracker =
or my tools) that would allow e.g., email notification to a user when a =
new document matching user=E2=80=99s specified filter (e.g., =
=E2=80=9Ccompany=3DX=E2=80=9D) appears. We figured it would be easiest =
to do the latter on the data tracker, perhaps as an extension of the =
notification mechanism. But verified email addresses, user accounts, =
etc. would already exist so this would be relatively easy to do.

However, we were also looking at the overall situation with statistics =
and pages describing either people=E2=80=99s or other entities=E2=80=99s =
documents (such as companies or countries).

The newly developed stats pages on the data tracker are great [1], and =
so are Henrik=E2=80=99s earlier created other pages (e.g., author pages =
[2]), but it seems that there=E2=80=99s some need for further =
development as well. It would be so nice to get to the end in the =
information pages and statistics project, with clean, =
datatracker-supported data sources and full integration of all data.

I think we should complete the work, and as a concrete goal, I=E2=80=99d =
like to get to a state where we can comfortably replace various links to =
my pages with links to the datatracker pages.

So what remains? Different people probably have different ideas here, =
perhaps we can together get a common view of what is needed. Let me =
start, and suggest a list of things I see from my perspective. It would =
be helpful if others provided additional items so that we can build a =
complete list.

I think we have at least the following efforts to do:

1) Make links to pages such as [2] available from elsewhere on the web =
site, e.g., from the statistics pages. Don=E2=80=99t think people are =
currently finding them.
2) Make per-company and per-country pages, similar to, e.g., [3].
3) Make an effort to correct (or unify in web representation) company =
names that are part of the same larger entity. See e.g. [4] and the =
various Huaweis :-)
4) Make an effort to correct faultily recognised company names and other =
similar data that clobbers some of the stats pages. For instance, at [4] =
on the first page 10 out of 22 names are odd and likely bad.
4) Make a project out of backfilling the datatracker with info from =
early RFCs. See for instance [5].
5) Consider enhancing the notification feature to support at least =
notification about =E2=80=9Cnew draft from company x=E2=80=9D (this is =
an optional feature request, not a mandatory part of the stats project)

Links:

[1] https://datatracker.ietf.org/stats/document/authors/ =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/stats/document/authors/>
[2] https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/Jari%20Arkko =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/Jari%20Arkko>
[3] http://www.arkko.com/tools/allstats/c_ericsson.html =
<http://www.arkko.com/tools/allstats/c_ericsson.html>
[4] https://datatracker.ietf.org/stats/document/author/affiliation/ =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/stats/document/author/affiliation/>
[5] https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/Steve%20Crocker =
<https://datatracker.ietf.org/person/Steve%20Crocker>

Jari


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charset=3Dutf-8" class=3D""><div style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">I was looking at various statistics-relating issues and the =
overall picture today in the sprint with Henrik.<div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I was working on fixing some bugs in my =
tools that Tero had noted, as well as thinking about developing a new =
function (either in data tracker or my tools) that would allow e.g., =
email notification to a user when a new document matching user=E2=80=99s =
specified filter (e.g., =E2=80=9Ccompany=3DX=E2=80=9D) appears. We =
figured it would be easiest to do the latter on the data tracker, =
perhaps as an extension of the notification mechanism. But verified =
email addresses, user accounts, etc. would already exist so this would =
be relatively easy to do.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">However, we were also looking at the overall situation with =
statistics and pages describing either people=E2=80=99s or other =
entities=E2=80=99s documents (such as companies or countries).</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The newly developed =
stats pages on the data tracker are great [1], and so are Henrik=E2=80=99s=
 earlier created other pages (e.g., author pages [2]), but it seems that =
there=E2=80=99s some need for further development as well. It would be =
so nice to get to the end in the information pages and statistics =
project, with clean, datatracker-supported data sources and full =
integration of all data.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I think we should complete the work, and as a concrete goal, =
I=E2=80=99d like to get to a state where we can comfortably replace =
various links to my pages with links to the datatracker pages.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So what remains? =
Different people probably have different ideas here, perhaps we can =
together get a common view of what is needed. Let me start, and suggest =
a list of things I see from my perspective. It would be helpful if =
others provided additional items so that we can build a complete =
list.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">I think =
we have at least the following efforts to do:</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">1) Make links to pages such as [2] =
available from elsewhere on the web site, e.g., from the statistics =
pages. Don=E2=80=99t think people are currently finding them.</div><div =
class=3D"">2) Make per-company and per-country pages, similar to, e.g., =
[3].</div><div class=3D"">3) Make an effort to correct (or unify in web =
representation) company names that are part of the same larger entity. =
See e.g. [4] and the various Huaweis :-)</div><div class=3D"">4) Make an =
effort to correct faultily recognised company names and other similar =
data that clobbers some of the stats pages. For instance, at [4] on the =
first page 10 out of 22 names are odd and likely bad.</div><div =
class=3D"">4) Make a project out of backfilling the datatracker with =
info from early RFCs. See for instance [5].</div><div class=3D"">5) =
Consider enhancing the notification feature to support at least =
notification about =E2=80=9Cnew draft from company x=E2=80=9D (this is =
an optional feature request, not a mandatory part of the stats =
project)</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Links:</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">[1]&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/stats/document/authors/" =
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1. Datatracker Projects
   - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik
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2. Community & Other Projects
   - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert
   - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Russ

3. RFC Services Projects
   - RFC Format -- Heather and Robert
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   - Prepare the RFC Production Center code for publication
   - Migrate to Django 1.11 after Singapore -- Henrik

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