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Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Proposed 2018 calendar
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The attached PDF contains a _proposed_ list of dates for the tools calls =
in 2018.  As we did in 2017, there is no call scheduled for August. =
Please take a look.  If there are any concerns with the proposed dates =
please let me know ASAP.

Russ


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> The attached PDF contains a _proposed_ list of dates for the tools calls in 2018.  As we did in 2017, there is no call scheduled for August. Please take a look.  If there are any concerns with the proposed dates please let me know ASAP.
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On 2018-01-03 22:33, Robert Sparks wrote:
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> On 1/3/18 2:30 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>> The attached PDF contains a _proposed_ list of dates for the tools cal=
ls in 2018.  As we did in 2017, there is no call scheduled for August. Pl=
ease take a look.  If there are any concerns with the proposed dates plea=
se let me know ASAP.

> These proposed dates work for me.

And for me.

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Some notes inline:

On 2017-12-29 18:38, Russ Housley wrote:
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> 1. Datatracker Projects
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	Updated 2018-01-08
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>    - Migrate to Django 1.11
>=20
> 2. Community & Other Projects
>    - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert
>    - IETF Website Makeover -- Greg and Russ
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> 3. RFC Services Projects
>    - RFC Format Contracts -- Heather and Robert
>      -- IDnits
>      -- Publication Formatter
>      -- Text Submission
>      -- RFClint
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>      -- XMLdiff
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> 4. Server Infrastructure
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Can confirm that.
Many thanks.
A

> -----Original Message-----
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> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; tools-development@ietf.org
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> There was a load problem due to a crawler that ignored robots.txt.
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> 	Henrik
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> On 2018-01-15 22:32, Adrian Farrel wrote:
> > and xml2rfc.tools.ietf.org
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> > Adrian
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Hi,
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Hi,

This is the start of a *two* week poll on making
draft-bierman-netmod-yang-data-ext a working group document. Please send 
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indicating no, please state your reservations with the document.  If 
yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see 
addressed once the document is a WG document.

This poll ends on February 8.

Thank you!

Lou (and Co-chairs)

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The mime type checking on DT materials manager is causing more problems. 
  I suggest removing type checking for the time being.

I'm trying to upload the attached (using chrome) as an agenda update and 
am seeing:


> Revise Agenda for interim-2018-detnet-02 : detnet
> × Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected one of text/plain, text/html.
> Agenda file to upload. Note that you can only upload agendas in txt or html formats.
> 
> Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected one of text/plain, text/html.


Please help the interim is in 2 days!

Thank you,
Lou (as WG chair)


On 1/23/2018 10:28 AM, Lou Berger wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>      I was trying to upload a bluesheet for a virtual interim in text 
> format at got the following error:
> 
> Found content with unexpected mime type: text/plain. Expected one of 
> application/pdf.
> 
> other formats should be allowed at least for virtual interims.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Lou
> 
> PS please remember Postel's law...

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Hi Lou,

Looking at this now.

But will you please stop spamming the mailing lists with bug reports,
when you (as evidenced by the inclusion in the addressee list) are
perfectly well aware of the proper bug report email address?

	Henrik

On 2018-01-29 13:49, Lou Berger wrote:
> The mime type checking on DT materials manager is causing more problems=
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>   I suggest removing type checking for the time being.
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> I'm trying to upload the attached (using chrome) as an agenda update an=
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>> =C3=97 Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected o=
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>> Agenda file to upload. Note that you can only upload agendas in txt or=
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>> Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected one of t=
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> Please help the interim is in 2 days!
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> Thank you,
> Lou (as WG chair)
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>> Hi,
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>> format at got the following error:
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>> other formats should be allowed at least for virtual interims.
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>> Thanks,
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Agenda uploaded.

	Henrik

On 2018-01-29 13:49, Lou Berger wrote:
> The mime type checking on DT materials manager is causing more problems=
=2E=20
>   I suggest removing type checking for the time being.
>=20
> I'm trying to upload the attached (using chrome) as an agenda update an=
d=20
> am seeing:
>=20
>=20
>> Revise Agenda for interim-2018-detnet-02 : detnet
>> =C3=97 Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected o=
ne of text/plain, text/html.
>> Agenda file to upload. Note that you can only upload agendas in txt or=
 html formats.
>>=20
>> Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected one of t=
ext/plain, text/html.
>=20
>=20
> Please help the interim is in 2 days!
>=20
> Thank you,
> Lou (as WG chair)
>=20
>=20
> On 1/23/2018 10:28 AM, Lou Berger wrote:
>> Hi,
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>>      I was trying to upload a bluesheet for a virtual interim in text =

>> format at got the following error:
>>=20
>> Found content with unexpected mime type: text/plain. Expected one of=20
>> application/pdf.
>>=20
>> other formats should be allowed at least for virtual interims.
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>>=20
>> Lou
>>=20
>> PS please remember Postel's law...
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On 01/29/2018 08:10 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
> Hi Lou,
> 
> Looking at this now.
> 

Thank you.

> But will you please stop spamming the mailing lists with bug reports,
> when you (as evidenced by the inclusion in the addressee list) are
> perfectly well aware of the proper bug report email address?

I'm completely unsure at this point who does what.

WRT this message
- DT project is included as the formal bug submission point, but past
limited distribution elicited zero response.
- tools-dev is included as DT is a paid support service
- tools-discuss is included as I suggested a technical change (following
postel's lay and not checking mime type)

If you sense frustration on my part, you're right. Basic IETF process
infrastructure is getting fancier, but harder to use - at least from my
perspective as a WG chair.  FWIW I really don't enjoy being a 'squeaky
wheel' - I just want to get my work done and move on to the next task.
If DT makes it harder, it'll just be less useful.

Lou

> 
> 	Henrik
> 
> On 2018-01-29 13:49, Lou Berger wrote:
>> The mime type checking on DT materials manager is causing more problems. 
>>   I suggest removing type checking for the time being.
>>
>> I'm trying to upload the attached (using chrome) as an agenda update and 
>> am seeing:
>>
>>
>>> Revise Agenda for interim-2018-detnet-02 : detnet
>>> × Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected one of text/plain, text/html.
>>> Agenda file to upload. Note that you can only upload agendas in txt or html formats.
>>>
>>> Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected one of text/plain, text/html.
>>
>>
>> Please help the interim is in 2 days!
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Lou (as WG chair)
>>
>>
>> On 1/23/2018 10:28 AM, Lou Berger wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>      I was trying to upload a bluesheet for a virtual interim in text 
>>> format at got the following error:
>>>
>>> Found content with unexpected mime type: text/plain. Expected one of 
>>> application/pdf.
>>>
>>> other formats should be allowed at least for virtual interims.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Lou
>>>
>>> PS please remember Postel's law...
>>
>>
>>
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>> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org
>>
>> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at
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>> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org
>>
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Lou:

On 2018-01-29 14:35, Lou Berger wrote:
> On 01/29/2018 08:10 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>> Hi Lou,
>>=20
>> Looking at this now.
>>=20
>=20
> Thank you.
>=20
>> But will you please stop spamming the mailing lists with bug reports,
>> when you (as evidenced by the inclusion in the addressee list) are
>> perfectly well aware of the proper bug report email address?
>=20
> I'm completely unsure at this point who does what.

Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org
bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb
or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org.

> WRT this message
> - DT project is included as the formal bug submission point, but past
> limited distribution elicited zero response.

Example please?  I'm not aware of any report to datatracker-project@ietf.=
org
that has not been acted on, either immediately or by recording it in the
issue tracker and acting on it as priority indicates.

> - tools-dev is included as DT is a paid support service

I don't understand your argument here?  How does this bug report require
tools development coordination?  Is it appropriate to elevate every
bug report to discussion in the monthly tools call?  I don't think so.
Please recall Robert's earlier reply to a question from you:

>> Tools-development is the place where the people guiding and doing the =

>> work on the tools coordinate - it's essentially the list for the team =

>> that meets on the tools calls.

> - tools-discuss is included as I suggested a technical change (followin=
g
> postel's lay and not checking mime type)

No, you were making a bug report.  It suggested a technical change, yes,
but in the absence of any data on why the problem appeared it could not
lead to any reasonable discussion.  And again: every bug report does not
have to be discussed.  The vast majority simply needs to be investigated
and corrected.  Tools-discuss is appropriate when it's not clear that
something is a bug, or whether a feature is salient and desirable, or
to see if an idea has support or could be refined.

> If you sense frustration on my part, you're right. Basic IETF process
> infrastructure is getting fancier, but harder to use - at least from my=

> perspective as a WG chair.  FWIW I really don't enjoy being a 'squeaky
> wheel' - I just want to get my work done and move on to the next task.
> If DT makes it harder, it'll just be less useful.

Do you at all understand the frustration of people trying to provide
support (primarily Robert and myself) when we ask people again and again
and again and again to provide bug reports in the appropriate channels,
and from some people see the bug reports consistently sent elsewhere?

Trying to support some people is a joy.  Others, not so much.

Do you truly believe that you get better response from people by banging
them over the head?


	Henrik

>=20
> Lou
>=20
>>=20
>> 	Henrik
>>=20
>> On 2018-01-29 13:49, Lou Berger wrote:
>>> The mime type checking on DT materials manager is causing more proble=
ms.=20
>>>   I suggest removing type checking for the time being.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to upload the attached (using chrome) as an agenda update =
and=20
>>> am seeing:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Revise Agenda for interim-2018-detnet-02 : detnet
>>>> =C3=97 Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected=
 one of text/plain, text/html.
>>>> Agenda file to upload. Note that you can only upload agendas in txt =
or html formats.
>>>>
>>>> Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected one of=
 text/plain, text/html.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please help the interim is in 2 days!
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Lou (as WG chair)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 1/23/2018 10:28 AM, Lou Berger wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>      I was trying to upload a bluesheet for a virtual interim in tex=
t=20
>>>> format at got the following error:
>>>>
>>>> Found content with unexpected mime type: text/plain. Expected one of=
=20
>>>> application/pdf.
>>>>
>>>> other formats should be allowed at least for virtual interims.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Lou
>>>>
>>>> PS please remember Postel's law...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ___________________________________________________________
>>> Tools-discuss mailing list
>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss
>>>
>>> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org
>>> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb
>>> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org
>>>
>>> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues
>>> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org
>>>
>>=20
>=20
> ___________________________________________________________
> Tools-discuss mailing list
> Tools-discuss@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss
>=20
> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org
> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb
> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org
>=20
> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at
> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues
> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org
>=20


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Thank you for doing the manual post of the agenda. I won't waste anyone 
elses time by discussing this further on on any of these lists.


On January 29, 2018 9:04:57 AM Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:

> Lou:
>
> On 2018-01-29 14:35, Lou Berger wrote:
>> On 01/29/2018 08:10 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote:
>>> Hi Lou,
>>>
>>> Looking at this now.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>> But will you please stop spamming the mailing lists with bug reports,
>>> when you (as evidenced by the inclusion in the addressee list) are
>>> perfectly well aware of the proper bug report email address?
>>
>> I'm completely unsure at this point who does what.
>
> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org
> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb
> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org.
>
>> WRT this message
>> - DT project is included as the formal bug submission point, but past
>> limited distribution elicited zero response.
>
> Example please?  I'm not aware of any report to datatracker-project@ietf.org
> that has not been acted on, either immediately or by recording it in the
> issue tracker and acting on it as priority indicates.
>
>> - tools-dev is included as DT is a paid support service
>
> I don't understand your argument here?  How does this bug report require
> tools development coordination?  Is it appropriate to elevate every
> bug report to discussion in the monthly tools call?  I don't think so.
> Please recall Robert's earlier reply to a question from you:
>
>>> Tools-development is the place where the people guiding and doing the
>>> work on the tools coordinate - it's essentially the list for the team
>>> that meets on the tools calls.
>
>> - tools-discuss is included as I suggested a technical change (following
>> postel's lay and not checking mime type)
>
> No, you were making a bug report.  It suggested a technical change, yes,
> but in the absence of any data on why the problem appeared it could not
> lead to any reasonable discussion.  And again: every bug report does not
> have to be discussed.  The vast majority simply needs to be investigated
> and corrected.  Tools-discuss is appropriate when it's not clear that
> something is a bug, or whether a feature is salient and desirable, or
> to see if an idea has support or could be refined.
>
>> If you sense frustration on my part, you're right. Basic IETF process
>> infrastructure is getting fancier, but harder to use - at least from my
>> perspective as a WG chair.  FWIW I really don't enjoy being a 'squeaky
>> wheel' - I just want to get my work done and move on to the next task.
>> If DT makes it harder, it'll just be less useful.
>
> Do you at all understand the frustration of people trying to provide
> support (primarily Robert and myself) when we ask people again and again
> and again and again to provide bug reports in the appropriate channels,
> and from some people see the bug reports consistently sent elsewhere?
>
> Trying to support some people is a joy.  Others, not so much.
>
> Do you truly believe that you get better response from people by banging
> them over the head?
>
>
> 	Henrik
>
>>
>> Lou
>>
>>>
>>> 	Henrik
>>>
>>> On 2018-01-29 13:49, Lou Berger wrote:
>>>> The mime type checking on DT materials manager is causing more problems.
>>>>   I suggest removing type checking for the time being.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to upload the attached (using chrome) as an agenda update and
>>>> am seeing:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Revise Agenda for interim-2018-detnet-02 : detnet
>>>>> × Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected one of 
>>>>> text/plain, text/html.
>>>>> Agenda file to upload. Note that you can only upload agendas in txt or html 
>>>>> formats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Found content with unexpected mime type: text/x-c++. Expected one of 
>>>>> text/plain, text/html.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please help the interim is in 2 days!
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Lou (as WG chair)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 1/23/2018 10:28 AM, Lou Berger wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>      I was trying to upload a bluesheet for a virtual interim in text
>>>>> format at got the following error:
>>>>>
>>>>> Found content with unexpected mime type: text/plain. Expected one of
>>>>> application/pdf.
>>>>>
>>>>> other formats should be allowed at least for virtual interims.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> Lou
>>>>>
>>>>> PS please remember Postel's law...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ___________________________________________________________
>>>> Tools-discuss mailing list
>>>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss
>>>>
>>>> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org
>>>> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb
>>>> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org
>>>>
>>>> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at
>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues
>>>> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org
>>>>
>>>
>>
>> ___________________________________________________________
>> Tools-discuss mailing list
>> Tools-discuss@ietf.org
>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss
>>
>> Please report datatracker.ietf.org and mailarchive.ietf.org
>> bugs at http://tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb
>> or send email to datatracker-project@ietf.org
>>
>> Please report tools.ietf.org bugs at
>> http://tools.ietf.org/tools/issues
>> or send email to webmaster@tools.ietf.org
>>
>


