From nobody Mon Jun 4 12:17:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3025C130DCE for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:17:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.302 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.302 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lyvRBuSc-gmX for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 279DF130DCC for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:17:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 133C51C00C5 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-f182.google.com (mail-io0-f182.google.com [209.85.223.182]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E70C91C00C6 for ; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-f182.google.com with SMTP id u4-v6so309566iof.2 for ; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 12:17:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E04MFKGhPZ/gtEunn1jJrcZ+UquJwr8FHZfaRRAzdSS4P9GSlBZ imovcJD69QEd9VOIkaV/noK49a6qK5uxP331NJY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKIztL+V8Qmb8bmUhTScJiAmAQYSCJyM/I5M6KD8hWlNhz7IGhkGmosHN4S5Y91pRMOKsvMRBonsYxv6WSeP7zQ= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:da15:: with SMTP id x21-v6mr8834117iob.179.1528139840425; Mon, 04 Jun 2018 12:17:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a02:18cf:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:17:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Glen Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2018 12:17:00 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: tools-development@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] OpenSuse 42.3 - IETF X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2018 19:17:26 -0000 Dear Tools Development Team - On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 10:14 AM, Glen wrote: > The current version of OpenSuse used by the ISOC ELIST servers, 42.2, > has now reached end of life, and been replaced by a new version, 42.3. > I would like to start the discussion about upgrading the IETF servers > to this version. I just wanted to take a moment to report back that the IETF server upgrade to OpenSuse 42.3 has been completed. It went better than expected. There was a 30 minute Mailman failure during which 9 emails failed to process - I sent emails back to the senders asking them to resend. Apache had 2 minor expected interruptions of less than 5 minutes each. And the ISODE IMAP server failed unexpectedly (and silently - I was alerted by Pete Resnick) requiring a manual restart of the ISODE processes. Beyond that, it went off perfectly, and all systems survived the upgrade without additional issue. Many thanks to Henrik, Matt and Ryan who were working with me while the upgrade ran. And, just as kind of a universal slap in my face... just before I started this upgrade this morning, I got an email from OpenSuse announcing their *next* OS release, which just came out - OpenSuse 15.1. (Yes, for some reason, they did s/14/42/ on their version path. Must be a Hitchhikers Guide thing.) *sigh* There's always something. But we'll wait a while to let that release mature before we upgrade again. As always, please let me know if you have any questions, or see any problems going forward. Thank you for your patience during this process. Glen From nobody Tue Jun 5 17:01:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C26F1311DF for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:00:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28SYgNPuo3Jt for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC5AC130E0C for ; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344561CAE28; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:00:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qdZIDLGgq732; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:602:9c01:f7e0:c995:ae0b:761a:b6dd] (unknown [IPv6:2601:602:9c01:f7e0:c995:ae0b:761a:b6dd]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF5811CAE12; Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:00:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Cross Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BA58469C-7CD0-4349-A334-7BE895DCD96B" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2018 17:00:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: IETF Tools Development To: Russ Housley References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 8 May 2018 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 00:00:32 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_BA58469C-7CD0-4349-A334-7BE895DCD96B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 All, On the last tools call I was asked to gather some metrics comparing the = response times of the mail archive static pages vs. the MHonArc pages. = To do this I used httperf, https://github.com/httperf/httperf = , to gather stats using test runs of = 24 sample URLs. Here is a summary. MHonArc Request rate: 58.5 req/s (17.1 ms/req) - very fast Mailarchive static pages, not cached Request rate: 2.3 req/s (431.0 ms/req) - much slower but still under 500ms Mailarchive static pages, cached Request rate: 71.7 req/s (14.0 ms/req) - faster than MHonArc The third run is passed through Cloudflare CDN. Real performance will = vary as the first page retrieval needs to get passed to the origin = server. Subsequent retrievals are very fast. The most recent index = pages are flushed from cache any time a new message for the list arrives = so they would be most susceptible to cache misses. Older pages don=E2=80=99= t change at all meaning good cache performance. =20 =20 See full httperf reports below. MHonArc Total: connections 1 requests 24 replies 24 test-duration 0.410 s Connection rate: 2.4 conn/s (410.4 ms/conn, <=3D1 concurrent = connections) Connection time [ms]: min 410.4 avg 410.4 max 410.4 median 410.5 stddev = 0.0 Connection time [ms]: connect 1.5 Connection length [replies/conn]: 24.000 Request rate: 58.5 req/s (17.1 ms/req) Request size [B]: 107.0 Reply rate [replies/s]: min 0.0 avg 0.0 max 0.0 stddev 0.0 (0 samples) Reply time [ms]: response 11.5 transfer 5.6 Reply size [B]: header 531.0 content 65421.0 footer 2.0 (total 65954.0) Reply status: 1xx=3D0 2xx=3D24 3xx=3D0 4xx=3D0 5xx=3D0 CPU time [s]: user 0.15 system 0.26 (user 37.1% system 62.9% total = 100.0%) Net I/O: 3773.0 KB/s (30.9*10^6 bps) Errors: total 0 client-timo 0 socket-timo 0 connrefused 0 connreset 0 Errors: fd-unavail 0 addrunavail 0 ftab-full 0 other 0 Mailarchive static pages, not cached Total: connections 1 requests 24 replies 24 test-duration 10.344 s Connection rate: 0.1 conn/s (10343.7 ms/conn, <=3D1 concurrent = connections) Connection time [ms]: min 10343.7 avg 10343.7 max 10343.7 median 10343.5 = stddev 0.0 Connection time [ms]: connect 6.4 Connection length [replies/conn]: 24.000 Request rate: 2.3 req/s (431.0 ms/req) Request size [B]: 100.0 Reply rate [replies/s]: min 2.2 avg 2.3 max 2.4 stddev 0.1 (2 samples) Reply time [ms]: response 385.3 transfer 45.4 Reply size [B]: header 335.0 content 104483.0 footer 0.0 (total = 104818.0) Reply status: 1xx=3D0 2xx=3D24 3xx=3D0 4xx=3D0 5xx=3D0 CPU time [s]: user 4.36 system 5.98 (user 42.2% system 57.8% total = 100.0%) Net I/O: 237.7 KB/s (1.9*10^6 bps) Errors: total 0 client-timo 0 socket-timo 0 connrefused 0 connreset 0 Errors: fd-unavail 0 addrunavail 0 ftab-full 0 other 0 Mailarchive static pages, cached Total: connections 1 requests 24 replies 24 test-duration 0.335 s Connection rate: 3.0 conn/s (334.9 ms/conn, <=3D1 concurrent = connections) Connection time [ms]: min 334.9 avg 334.9 max 334.9 median 334.5 stddev = 0.0 Connection time [ms]: connect 1.4 Connection length [replies/conn]: 24.000 Request rate: 71.7 req/s (14.0 ms/req) Request size [B]: 110.0 Reply rate [replies/s]: min 0.0 avg 0.0 max 0.0 stddev 0.0 (0 samples) Reply time [ms]: response 4.9 transfer 8.9 Reply size [B]: header 609.0 content 104493.0 footer 2.0 (total = 105104.0) Reply status: 1xx=3D0 2xx=3D24 3xx=3D0 4xx=3D0 5xx=3D0 CPU time [s]: user 0.12 system 0.21 (user 36.3% system 63.6% total = 100.0%) Net I/O: 7363.2 KB/s (60.3*10^6 bps) Errors: total 0 client-timo 0 socket-timo 0 connrefused 0 connreset 0 Errors: fd-unavail 0 addrunavail 0 ftab-full 0 other 0 > On May 9, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Ryan Cross wrote: >=20 > All, >=20 > The latest version of the mail archive is available here: > http://mailarchivetest.ietf.org/arch/ = >=20 > The contents are not current, but a snapshot from April. There is a = new Settings menu on the top of the page. Here you can turn Legacy mode = on or off. When legacy mode is on the user will be directed to MHonArc = like pages when browsing a list by date or by thread. These pages are = cached by CloudFlare. The URL scheme is date based, one month of = messages per page. For example: > http://mailarchivetest.ietf.org/arch/browse/static/ietf/2018-04/ = >=20 > For lists with less volume, less than 750 messages a year, index pages = are consolidated by year. For example: > http://mailarchivetest.ietf.org/arch/browse/static/nemo/2009/ = >=20 > The user can edit the URL to jump to a particular date. Client side = redirects are used when needed to map between year / month pages, based = on the rules above. >=20 > Please take a look and reply with any comments or feedback. >=20 > Thank You, > Ryan >=20 >=20 >> On Apr 26, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Russ Housley > wrote: >>=20 >> Tools Call Agenda -- 8 May 2018 at 1:00 Eastern >>=20 >>=20 >> JOIN WEBEX MEETING >> = https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac= = >> Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 >> Meeting password: tools >>=20 >> JOIN BY PHONE >> 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada)=20 >> 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) >> Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 >> Meeting password: tools >>=20 >>=20 >> 1. Datatracker Projects >> - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik >> -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan >> - GDPR Compliance -- Robert and Henrik >>=20 >> 2. Community & Other Projects >> - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert >> -- Community clearly still likes MonArch speed >>=20 >> 3. RFC Services Projects >> - RFC Format Contracts -- Heather and Robert >> -- IDnits >> -- Publication Formatter >> -- Text Submission >> -- RFClint >> -- SVGcheck >> -- XMLdiff >>=20 >> 4. Server Infrastructure >> - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey >> -- Deployed for volunteer WGs. Is it ready for all mail lists? >>=20 >> 5. Parking Lot >> - Prepare the RFC Production Center code for publication >>=20 >> 6. AOB >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --Apple-Mail=_BA58469C-7CD0-4349-A334-7BE895DCD96B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 All,

On = the last tools call I was asked to gather some metrics comparing the = response times of the mail archive static pages vs. the MHonArc pages. =  To do this I used httperf, https://github.com/httperf/httperf, to gather stats using = test runs of 24 sample URLs.  Here is a summary.

MHonArc
Request rate: 58.5 req/s = (17.1 ms/req)
- very fast

Mailarchive static pages, = not cached
Request rate: 2.3 req/s (431.0 = ms/req)
- much slower but still under = 500ms

Mailarchive static pages, cached
Request rate: 71.7 req/s (14.0 ms/req)
- = faster than MHonArc


The third run is passed = through Cloudflare CDN.  Real performance will vary as the first = page retrieval needs to get passed to the origin server. =  Subsequent retrievals are very fast.  The most recent index = pages are flushed from cache any time a new message for the list arrives = so they would be most susceptible to cache misses.  Older pages = don=E2=80=99t change at all meaning good cache performance. =  
 


See = full httperf reports below.


MHonArc
Total: = connections 1 requests 24 replies 24 test-duration 0.410 s

Connection rate: 2.4 = conn/s (410.4 ms/conn, <=3D1 concurrent connections)
Connection time [ms]: min 410.4 avg 410.4 max 410.4 median = 410.5 stddev 0.0
Connection time [ms]: connect = 1.5
Connection length [replies/conn]: = 24.000

Request = rate: 58.5 req/s (17.1 ms/req)
Request size [B]: = 107.0

Reply = rate [replies/s]: min 0.0 avg 0.0 max 0.0 stddev 0.0 (0 = samples)
Reply time [ms]: response 11.5 transfer = 5.6
Reply size [B]: header 531.0 content 65421.0 = footer 2.0 (total 65954.0)
Reply status: 1xx=3D0 = 2xx=3D24 3xx=3D0 4xx=3D0 5xx=3D0

CPU time [s]: user 0.15 system 0.26 = (user 37.1% system 62.9% total 100.0%)
Net I/O: = 3773.0 KB/s (30.9*10^6 bps)

Errors: total 0 client-timo 0 socket-timo 0 connrefused 0 = connreset 0
Errors: fd-unavail 0 addrunavail 0 = ftab-full 0 other 0


Mailarchive static pages, = not cached
Total: connections 1 = requests 24 replies 24 test-duration 10.344 s

Connection rate: 0.1 conn/s (10343.7 = ms/conn, <=3D1 concurrent connections)
Connection = time [ms]: min 10343.7 avg 10343.7 max 10343.7 median 10343.5 stddev = 0.0
Connection time [ms]: connect 6.4
Connection length [replies/conn]: 24.000

Request rate: 2.3 req/s = (431.0 ms/req)
Request size [B]: 100.0

Reply rate [replies/s]: = min 2.2 avg 2.3 max 2.4 stddev 0.1 (2 samples)
Reply = time [ms]: response 385.3 transfer 45.4
Reply size = [B]: header 335.0 content 104483.0 footer 0.0 (total 104818.0)
Reply status: 1xx=3D0 2xx=3D24 3xx=3D0 4xx=3D0 = 5xx=3D0

CPU = time [s]: user 4.36 system 5.98 (user 42.2% system 57.8% total = 100.0%)
Net I/O: 237.7 KB/s (1.9*10^6 = bps)

Errors: = total 0 client-timo 0 socket-timo 0 connrefused 0 connreset 0
Errors: fd-unavail 0 addrunavail 0 ftab-full 0 other = 0


Mailarchive static pages, = cached
Total: connections 1 = requests 24 replies 24 test-duration 0.335 s

Connection rate: 3.0 conn/s (334.9 = ms/conn, <=3D1 concurrent connections)
Connection = time [ms]: min 334.9 avg 334.9 max 334.9 median 334.5 stddev = 0.0
Connection time [ms]: connect 1.4
Connection length [replies/conn]: 24.000

Request rate: 71.7 req/s = (14.0 ms/req)
Request size [B]: 110.0

Reply rate [replies/s]: = min 0.0 avg 0.0 max 0.0 stddev 0.0 (0 samples)
Reply = time [ms]: response 4.9 transfer 8.9
Reply size = [B]: header 609.0 content 104493.0 footer 2.0 (total 105104.0)
Reply status: 1xx=3D0 2xx=3D24 3xx=3D0 4xx=3D0 = 5xx=3D0

CPU = time [s]: user 0.12 system 0.21 (user 36.3% system 63.6% total = 100.0%)
Net I/O: 7363.2 KB/s (60.3*10^6 = bps)

Errors: = total 0 client-timo 0 socket-timo 0 connrefused 0 connreset 0
Errors: fd-unavail 0 addrunavail 0 ftab-full 0 other = 0



On May 9, 2018, at 12:51 PM, Ryan Cross <rcross@amsl.com> = wrote:

All,

The latest version of the mail archive = is available here:
http://mailarchivetest.ietf.org/arch/

The contents are not = current, but a snapshot from April.  There is a new Settings menu = on the top of the page.  Here you can turn Legacy mode on or off. =  When legacy mode is on the user will be directed to MHonArc like = pages when browsing a list by date or by thread.  These pages are = cached by CloudFlare.  The URL scheme is date based, one month of = messages per page.  For example:
http://mailarchivetest.ietf.org/arch/browse/static/ietf/2018-04= /

For = lists with less volume, less than 750 messages a year, index pages are = consolidated by year.  For example:
http://mailarchivetest.ietf.org/arch/browse/static/nemo/2009/

The user = can edit the URL to jump to a particular date.  Client side = redirects are used when needed to map between year / month pages, based = on the rules above.

Please take a look and reply with any comments or = feedback.

Thank = You,
Ryan


On Apr 26, 2018, at 1:48 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

Tools = Call Agenda -- 8 May 2018 at 1:00 Eastern

JOIN WEBEX MEETING
https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=3Dm440dd848726339c03e605= b9956e38bac
Meeting number (access code): 640 103 = 570
Meeting password: tools

JOIN BY PHONE
1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free = number (US/Canada)
1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number = (US/Canada)
Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570
Meeting password: tools


1. Datatracker Projects
  - Expected = Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik
=     -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
  - GDPR Compliance -- Robert and Henrik

2. Community & Other Projects
=   - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert
=     -- Community clearly still likes MonArch = speed

3. RFC Services Projects
=   - RFC Format Contracts -- Heather and Robert
=     -- IDnits
=     -- Publication Formatter
=     -- Text Submission
=     -- RFClint
=     -- SVGcheck
=     -- XMLdiff

4. = Server Infrastructure
  - IESG discussions of = DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey
    -- = Deployed for volunteer WGs.  Is it ready for all mail lists?

5. Parking Lot
  - = Prepare the RFC Production Center code for publication

6. AOB

_______________________________________________
TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list
TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development

_____________________________________________= __
TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list
TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development

= --Apple-Mail=_BA58469C-7CD0-4349-A334-7BE895DCD96B-- From nobody Wed Jun 6 07:48:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA131130DCA for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:48:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nq0YtonwJS6d for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:48:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E1073130E31 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 07:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E963300A0C for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 10:48:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id A7TkiHkkFG9d for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 10:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5B65B300A08; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 10:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Message-Id: <9C7351D6-867A-4A35-8036-A83B18153919@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_9AE9EBBD-A9F7-49D9-947B-D63009B8919A" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 10:48:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: IETF Tools Development To: Ryan Cross References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 8 May 2018 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 14:48:24 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_9AE9EBBD-A9F7-49D9-947B-D63009B8919A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Ryan: > MHonArc > Request rate: 58.5 req/s (17.1 ms/req) > - very fast >=20 > Mailarchive static pages, not cached > Request rate: 2.3 req/s (431.0 ms/req) > - much slower but still under 500ms >=20 > Mailarchive static pages, cached > Request rate: 71.7 req/s (14.0 ms/req) > - faster than MHonArc >=20 >=20 > The third run is passed through Cloudflare CDN. Real performance will = vary as the first page retrieval needs to get passed to the origin = server. Subsequent retrievals are very fast. The most recent index = pages are flushed from cache any time a new message for the list arrives = so they would be most susceptible to cache misses. Older pages don=E2=80=99= t change at all meaning good cache performance. =20 The first measurement is using Cloudflare as well, right? Russ= --Apple-Mail=_9AE9EBBD-A9F7-49D9-947B-D63009B8919A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Ryan:

MHonArc
Request rate: 58.5 req/s (17.1 = ms/req)
- very fast

Mailarchive static pages, not cached
Request = rate: 2.3 req/s (431.0 ms/req)
- much slower but = still under 500ms

Mailarchive static pages, cached
Request = rate: 71.7 req/s (14.0 ms/req)
- faster than = MHonArc


The third run is = passed through Cloudflare CDN.  Real performance will vary as the = first page retrieval needs to get passed to the origin server. =  Subsequent retrievals are very fast.  The most recent index = pages are flushed from cache any time a new message for the list arrives = so they would be most susceptible to cache misses.  Older pages = don=E2=80=99t change at all meaning good cache performance. =  

The first measurement is using Cloudflare as well, = right?

Russ
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Would it be helpful to develop something like a mock up UI to understand = how search results might be presented to the user and further tease out = what would be required to implement it? If so, I=E2=80=99d be happy to create a few wireframes for further = consideration (by whomever would be most appropriate). Thanks, -Greg > On May 25, 2018, at 6:04 PM, Ryan Cross wrote: >=20 > I imagine it would be possible to create an Elasticsearch index for = each type of =E2=80=9Cdocument=E2=80=9D, draft, email, webpage, etc. = You could filter by type and indicate the type in search results, using = an icon for example. >=20 > Ryan >=20 >> On May 25, 2018, at 12:12 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >>=20 >> My first thought (which assumes that the search function already on = www.ietf.org is sufficient for searching the website - is that a correct = assumption?) is to provide an api from the datatracker and the = mailarchive that would take the search term and return what's needed = (json objects, I think) to allow the www website to nicely show the = results grouped by type. We could make a view there that doesn't use js = (waits for results before displaying everything, then displays = _everything), but could provide a better experience for folks that are = willing to let js run (starts showing results as they come in, might = provide a way to collapse the results, in a tree perhaps). >>=20 >> RjS >>=20 >> On 5/25/18 1:44 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >>> We have been asked to look into a search feature that is homed at = www.ietf.org that will search across the web site, mail archive, and = datatracker. >>>=20 >>> The way I use the IETF website, I know when I am searching for = meeting-related material, I-D-related material, or mail-archive-related = material. I rarely want to mix these things, so I am not the right = person to make suggestions about the way forward. >>>=20 >>> That said, others, especially folks that are new to the IETF, come = to www.ietf.org looking for information about IETF work or a particular = standard, and the current search does not help them enough. They = probably don=E2=80=99t even know about datatracker. For example, they = would expect to get results about a current work item, say TLS 1.3, that = includes information that we know is in the datatracker, especially the = most recent Internet-Draft. >>>=20 >>> My first thought was to see if we could leverage Google search. The = SoW for the recent website revamp says that core functions must not = require javascript. According to the documentation from Google = (https://developers.google.com/custom-search/docs/overview) custom = search does require javascript. Since search ought to be a core = function, the Google custom search is not a way forward. >>>=20 >>> Does anyone have thoughts about how to approach this search feature? >>>=20 >>> Russ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Wed Jun 6 11:29:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F16B128CF3 for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:29:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IjiLPrxPAoXQ for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6655C12777C for ; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:29:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 992F41CAE41; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:29:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7wHerdQQ6Z3N; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:602:9c01:f7e0:3016:5629:6575:61ad] (unknown [IPv6:2601:602:9c01:f7e0:3016:5629:6575:61ad]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 580861CAE3D; Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:29:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Cross Message-Id: <4583DE9B-C478-4BCA-A393-0D82D6123D42@amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2F7286D9-08EE-40B2-B7E9-9C2B2B6C44E9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.3 \(3445.6.18\)) Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:29:40 -0700 In-Reply-To: <9C7351D6-867A-4A35-8036-A83B18153919@vigilsec.com> Cc: IETF Tools Development To: Russ Housley References: <9C7351D6-867A-4A35-8036-A83B18153919@vigilsec.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.6.18) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 8 May 2018 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.26 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2018 18:29:45 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2F7286D9-08EE-40B2-B7E9-9C2B2B6C44E9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Russ, No. The MHonArc archives are not served through Cloudflare, due to = staleness issues. Ryan > On Jun 6, 2018, at 7:48 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >=20 > Ryan: >=20 >> MHonArc >> Request rate: 58.5 req/s (17.1 ms/req) >> - very fast >>=20 >> Mailarchive static pages, not cached >> Request rate: 2.3 req/s (431.0 ms/req) >> - much slower but still under 500ms >>=20 >> Mailarchive static pages, cached >> Request rate: 71.7 req/s (14.0 ms/req) >> - faster than MHonArc >>=20 >>=20 >> The third run is passed through Cloudflare CDN. Real performance = will vary as the first page retrieval needs to get passed to the origin = server. Subsequent retrievals are very fast. The most recent index = pages are flushed from cache any time a new message for the list arrives = so they would be most susceptible to cache misses. Older pages don=E2=80=99= t change at all meaning good cache performance. =20 >=20 > The first measurement is using Cloudflare as well, right? >=20 > Russ --Apple-Mail=_2F7286D9-08EE-40B2-B7E9-9C2B2B6C44E9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Russ,

No. =  The MHonArc archives are not served through Cloudflare, due to = staleness issues.

Ryan

On Jun 6, 2018, at 7:48 AM, = Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

Ryan:

MHonArc
Request rate: 58.5 req/s (17.1 ms/req)
- very = fast

Mailarchive static pages, not cached
Request = rate: 2.3 req/s (431.0 ms/req)
- much slower but = still under 500ms

Mailarchive static pages, cached
Request = rate: 71.7 req/s (14.0 ms/req)
- faster than = MHonArc


The third run is = passed through Cloudflare CDN.  Real performance will vary as the = first page retrieval needs to get passed to the origin server. =  Subsequent retrievals are very fast.  The most recent index = pages are flushed from cache any time a new message for the list arrives = so they would be most susceptible to cache misses.  Older pages = don=E2=80=99t change at all meaning good cache performance. =  

The first measurement is using Cloudflare as well, = right?

Russ

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Server Infrastructure > - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey > -- Deployed for all mail lists > -- Should we transition to ARC? Yes, we should at least try it out. > If so, how do we test it? Disable Henrik's workaround for a few test mailing lists (with known p=reject participants) and try to gather information about bounces from DMARC/ARC enforcing recipients (these would be observed by moderators of such mailing lists). We should also ask mailing list participants whether they are noticing any gaps in message threads. I was also asked by Allison about status of IRTF related feature requests. Can somebody tell me where they are on the overall priority list? 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Server Infrastructure >> - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey >> -- Deployed for all mail lists >> -- Should we transition to ARC? > Yes, we should at least try it out. > >> If so, how do we test it? > Disable Henrik's workaround for a few test mailing lists (with known p=reject participants) and try to gather information about bounces from DMARC/ARC enforcing recipients (these would be observed by moderators of such mailing lists). We should also ask mailing list participants whether they are noticing any gaps in message threads. > > > I was also asked by Allison about status of IRTF related feature requests. Can somebody tell me where they are on the overall priority list? Here was the original list with comments: > 1. Need to be able to do a datatracker search by IRTF state - currently > these are not available terms in the advanced search State pulldown Fixed (by Mat Ford) and released > 2. Rationalize the datatracker view when one searches "irtf" - some of > the documents are labeled "IRTF RFC Stream," others "Active RG Document" > - these aren't useful as is (see attached PNG)... This turned out to be driven by misreading what the results were. We had round of email with Allison and found (and deployed) ways to improve the way results were displayed to avoid that misreading. > > 3. Datatracker view when one searches "irtf" or looks at any IRTF > document needs to show both the IRTF State and the Tags for the state - > the tags are missing now Still open: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2494 Medium priority - not likely to get attention until a codesprint (or if a volunteer picks it up earlier) > > > 4. Create an online ballot for the IRSG Poll for IRTF documents. > Functions - > > 4a. Create IRSG Poll ballot (IRTF Chair only) > This is basically similar to IESG telechat ballot. Still open: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2495 Also medium priority, and not likely to get attention until a codesprint. This one's a bit bigger task, I may end up needing to do it. > 4b. Enter ballot position, Yes/No Objection/Not Ready/Recuse - (all IRSG > members) > > 4c. Enter comments - one kind only, no Discuss - (all IRSG members) > > 4d. Comments and ballot position get emailed to IRTF Chair, IRSG, RG > Chair of group, document authors, and RG list > > 4e. Mark ballot complete (IRTF Chair only) - not automatic since we > have a looser definition than IESG's > > 4f. Once ballot is marked complete, IRTF Chair can request conflict > review. Need to be able to do a datatracker search by IRSG state - > currently these are not available terms in the State pulldown All part of 2495 > > > 5. Conflict Review fixes needed: > > 5a. Currently the conflict review request by IRTF Chair does not include > enough notifications - email to IRTF Chair, IRSG, RG Chairs of group, > document authors, and RG list Fixed with https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2496 > > 5b. Currently a conflict review automatically assigns the document to > the IETF Chair and sets it into the next telechat agenda. The IETF > Chair manually changes both of these, and we need notifications when the > new AD assignment occurs and when the telechat agenda date is set: same > set as line above Fixed with https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2497 > > Best Regards, > Alexey > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --------------46DB95C3D530B7902765540F Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2495

https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2494


On 6/10/18 2:21 PM, Alexey Melnikov wrote:
Hi Russ,

On Fri, Jun 8, 2018, at 4:37 PM, Russ Housley wrote:


4. Server Infrastructure
   - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey
     -- Deployed for all mail lists
     -- Should we transition to ARC?

Yes, we should at least try it out.


 If so, how do we test it?

Disable Henrik's workaround for a few test mailing lists (with known p=reject participants) and try to gather information about bounces from DMARC/ARC enforcing recipients (these would be observed by moderators of such mailing lists). We should also ask mailing list participants whether they are noticing any gaps in message threads.


I was also asked by Allison about status of IRTF related feature requests. Can somebody tell me where they are on the overall priority list?
Here was the original list with comments:
1. Need to be able to do a datatracker search by IRTF state - currently
these are not available terms in the  advanced search State pulldown
Fixed (by Mat Ford) and released
2. Rationalize the datatracker view when one searches "irtf" - some of
the documents are labeled "IRTF RFC Stream," others "Active RG Document"
- these aren't  useful as is (see attached PNG)...
This turned out to be driven by misreading what the results were. We had round of email with Allison and found (and deployed) ways to improve the way results were displayed to avoid that misreading.

3. Datatracker view when one searches "irtf" or looks at any IRTF
document needs to show both the IRTF State and the Tags for the state -
the tags are missing now
Still open:
https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2494
Medium priority - not likely to get attention until a codesprint (or if a volunteer picks it up earlier)


4. Create an online ballot for the IRSG Poll for IRTF documents. 
Functions -
  
4a. Create IRSG Poll ballot (IRTF Chair only)
This is basically similar to IESG telechat ballot.
Still open:
https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2495
Also medium priority, and not likely to get attention until a codesprint.
This one's a bit bigger task, I may end up needing to do it.



4b. Enter ballot position, Yes/No Objection/Not Ready/Recuse - (all IRSG

members)

4c. Enter comments - one kind only, no Discuss - (all IRSG members)

4d. Comments and ballot position get emailed to IRTF Chair, IRSG, RG
Chair of group, document authors, and RG list

 4e. Mark ballot complete (IRTF Chair only) - not automatic since we
have a looser definition than IESG's

 4f. Once ballot is marked complete, IRTF Chair can request conflict
review. Need to be able to do a datatracker search by IRSG state -
currently these are not available terms in the State pulldown
All part of 2495


5. Conflict Review fixes needed:

5a. Currently the conflict review request by IRTF Chair does not include
enough notifications - email to IRTF Chair, IRSG, RG Chairs of group,
document authors, and RG list
Fixed with https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2496

5b. Currently a conflict review automatically assigns the document to
the IETF Chair and sets it into the next telechat agenda.  The IETF
Chair manually changes both of these, and we need notifications when the
new AD assignment occurs and when the telechat agenda date is set:  same
set as line above
Fixed with https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/ticket/2497

    

    


    

    

      

Best Regards,
Alexey

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I'm at a conference in Trondheim and will not be able to make the call. 
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Thanks,
Heather

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I am at Mozilla's all hands and also will likely not be able to make the
call.

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 3:07 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) <
rse@rfc-editor.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm at a conference in Trondheim and will not be able to make the call.
> I'm hoping the notes provide an update on the RFC Tools; I haven't heard
> anything recently outside the RPC's testing.
>
> Thanks,
> Heather
>
>
> On 6/8/18 5:37 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
>
>> Tools Call Agenda -- 12 June 2018 at 1:00 Eastern
>>
>>
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>>     - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik
>>       -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
>>     - GDPR Compliance -- Robert and Henrik
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>>       -- Community clearly still likes MonArch speed
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>>       -- Deployed for all mail lists
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I am at Mozilla's all hands and also will likely not b=
e able to make the call.

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 3:07 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Ser=
ies Editor) <rse@rfc-editor.org> wrote:
Hi all,



I'm at a conference in Trondheim and will not be able to make the call.=
 I'm hoping the notes provide an update on the RFC Tools; I haven't=
 heard anything recently outside the RPC's testing.



Thanks,

Heather




On 6/8/18 5:37 PM, Russ Housley wrote:



Tools Call Agenda -- 12 June 2018 at 1:00 Eastern





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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 -- Publication Formatter

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>>> On 6/8/18 5:37 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
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>>>     - RFC Format Contracts -- Heather and Robert
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>>>       -- XMLdiff
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>>>       -- Deployed for all mail lists
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On Jun 11, 2018, at 8:50 AM, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote:

I am at Mozilla's all hands and also will likely not be able to make the call.

On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 3:07 AM, Heather Flanagan (RFC Series Editor) <rse@rfc-editor.org> wrote:
Hi all,



I'm at a conference in Trondheim and will not be able to make the call. I'm hoping the notes provide an update on the RFC Tools; I haven't heard anything recently outside the RPC's testing.



Thanks,

Heather




On 6/8/18 5:37 PM, Russ Housley wrote:



Tools Call Agenda -- 12 June 2018 at 1:00 Eastern





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      -- http://trac.tools.ietf..org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan

    - GDPR Compliance -- Robert and Henrik



2. Community & Other Projects

    - Discontinue MonArch email archives -- Robert and Ryan

      -- Community clearly still likes MonArch speed



3. RFC Services Projects

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      -- IDnits

      -- Publication Formatter

      -- Text Submission

      -- RFClint

      -- SVGcheck

      -- XMLdiff



4. Server Infrastructure

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      -- Deployed for all mail lists

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Tools Team Report -- 13 June 2018

1. Datatracker Projects
   - The work on GDPR compliance delayed some of the other activities
     -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
   - All of the user facing changes for GDPR Compliance have been
     deployed, and the management commands for removal of consent-
     based information will be completed in the next few days.
   - A small number of people need to give consent for information in
     the datatracker; this is mostly people that have biographic data
     but do not currently hold leadership positions.  These people will
     be sent an email next week asking for consent.  The email will
     include a link to their datatracker account page.  If they do not
     go to that page by 25 June 2018 (one month after the GDPR became
     effective), then the information that was not gathered from
     Internet-Drafts will be removed from the datatracker.

2. Community & Other Projects
   - The Tools Team is working to discontinue MonArch email archives.
     This will allow all of the mail-related tools to work from one
     copy of the archives in maildir format.  However, the community
     clearly still likes the speed offered by MonArch.  Changes to the
     Mail Archive Tool that use static pages greatly improve speed.
     These changes will be deployed by these steps:
       1) Enable mailarchive.ietf.org on Cloudflare;
       2) Change the name of the setting from "legacy" to "static";
       3) Deploy on the production servers; and
       4) Send not to the community.
   - Many mail lists did not have SPAM filters in place.  Last week,
     the Secretariat allied a SPAM setting to all of the lists that
     did not have one, and then sent instructions to the WG Chairs
     about making adjustments.  Going forward, newly created mail
     list will get the SPAM filter setting, and the list maintainer
     can adjust if they wish.
   - Secretariat removed over 30,000 SPAM messages from the archives.

3. RFC Services Projects
   - RFC Format contracts are on schedule:
     -- IDnits
     -- Publication Formatter
     -- Text Submission
     -- RFClint
     -- SVGcheck
     -- XMLdiff
   - The RFC Editor chose Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) Tiny as the
     subset of SVG that is allowed in RFCs.  SVGcheck makes sure that
     the embedded graphic conforms to this subset.  It was recently
     discovered that some tools use markers for arrowheads, but markers
     are not part of the SVG Tiny specification produced by W3C.  The
     development will continue without allowing markers, and the RFC
     Editorwill revisit this issue if it becomes a problem for authors.

4. Server Infrastructure
   - The custom DMARC-handling software is deployed for all mail lists.
   - There is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC.
     First, the ARC software will be installed on the sandbox, and
     then the Secretariat will determine whether it has the knobs to
     configure it for a few mail lists, but not all of them.  If so,
     they will run a test on the production server with ARC on a few
     volunteer mail lists.  If not, we will ask the ARC developers to
     add the needed knobs.

5. Other Business
   - The RFC Editor is conducting an experiment with GitHub for AUTH48.
     TLS 1.3 will be the first document in the experiment.
   - The web pages for the Tools Team need to be updated.  Work will
     begin on this effort in the next few days:
     -- https://www.ietf.org/about/grpups/tools
     -- https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/tools/about/

6. Parking Lot
   - Prepare the RFC Production Center code for publication.
     -- Maybe this can get some attention when the six RFC Format tools
        are posted in an open source repository.


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Hi, Russ,


On 6/13/2018 10:29 AM, Russ Housley wrote:
> Tools Team Report -- 13 June 2018
>
> 1. Datatracker Projects
>     - The work on GDPR compliance delayed some of the other activities
>       -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
>     - All of the user facing changes for GDPR Compliance have been
>       deployed, and the management commands for removal of consent-
>       based information will be completed in the next few days.
>     - A small number of people need to give consent for information in
>       the datatracker; this is mostly people that have biographic data
>       but do not currently hold leadership positions.  These people will
>       be sent an email next week asking for consent.  The email will
>       include a link to their datatracker account page.  If they do not
>       go to that page by 25 June 2018 (one month after the GDPR became
>       effective), then the information that was not gathered from
>       Internet-Drafts will be removed from the datatracker.
>
> 2. Community & Other Projects
>     - The Tools Team is working to discontinue MonArch email archives.
>       This will allow all of the mail-related tools to work from one
>       copy of the archives in maildir format.  However, the community
>       clearly still likes the speed offered by MonArch.  Changes to the
>       Mail Archive Tool that use static pages greatly improve speed.
>       These changes will be deployed by these steps:
>         1) Enable mailarchive.ietf.org on Cloudflare;
>         2) Change the name of the setting from "legacy" to "static";
>         3) Deploy on the production servers; and
>         4) Send not to the community.
>     - Many mail lists did not have SPAM filters in place.  Last week,
>       the Secretariat allied a SPAM setting to all of the lists that
>       did not have one, and then sent instructions to the WG Chairs
>       about making adjustments.  Going forward, newly created mail
>       list will get the SPAM filter setting, and the list maintainer
>       can adjust if they wish.
>     - Secretariat removed over 30,000 SPAM messages from the archives.
I appreciate this last item. I was looking through archives for some 
long-concluded working groups a couple of weeks ago, and was reminded of 
the Bad Old Days when we weren't filtering SPAM at all.

Spencer
>
> 3. RFC Services Projects
>     - RFC Format contracts are on schedule:
>       -- IDnits
>       -- Publication Formatter
>       -- Text Submission
>       -- RFClint
>       -- SVGcheck
>       -- XMLdiff
>     - The RFC Editor chose Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) Tiny as the
>       subset of SVG that is allowed in RFCs.  SVGcheck makes sure that
>       the embedded graphic conforms to this subset.  It was recently
>       discovered that some tools use markers for arrowheads, but markers
>       are not part of the SVG Tiny specification produced by W3C.  The
>       development will continue without allowing markers, and the RFC
>       Editorwill revisit this issue if it becomes a problem for authors.
>
> 4. Server Infrastructure
>     - The custom DMARC-handling software is deployed for all mail lists.
>     - There is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC.
>       First, the ARC software will be installed on the sandbox, and
>       then the Secretariat will determine whether it has the knobs to
>       configure it for a few mail lists, but not all of them.  If so,
>       they will run a test on the production server with ARC on a few
>       volunteer mail lists.  If not, we will ask the ARC developers to
>       add the needed knobs.
>
> 5. Other Business
>     - The RFC Editor is conducting an experiment with GitHub for AUTH48.
>       TLS 1.3 will be the first document in the experiment.
>     - The web pages for the Tools Team need to be updated.  Work will
>       begin on this effort in the next few days:
>       -- https://www.ietf.org/about/grpups/tools
>       -- https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/tools/about/
>
> 6. Parking Lot
>     - Prepare the RFC Production Center code for publication.
>       -- Maybe this can get some attention when the six RFC Format tools
>          are posted in an open source repository.
>


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From: Alissa Cooper 
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Thanks Russ! Note for everyone else: since the TMC was dissolved I asked =
Russ to start sending these updates (which used to go the IAOC) to the =
IESG on the theory that more information-sharing is better.

Alissa

> On Jun 13, 2018, at 11:29 AM, Russ Housley  =
wrote:
>=20
> Tools Team Report -- 13 June 2018
>=20
> 1. Datatracker Projects
>   - The work on GDPR compliance delayed some of the other activities
>     -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
>   - All of the user facing changes for GDPR Compliance have been
>     deployed, and the management commands for removal of consent-
>     based information will be completed in the next few days.
>   - A small number of people need to give consent for information in
>     the datatracker; this is mostly people that have biographic data
>     but do not currently hold leadership positions.  These people will
>     be sent an email next week asking for consent.  The email will
>     include a link to their datatracker account page.  If they do not
>     go to that page by 25 June 2018 (one month after the GDPR became
>     effective), then the information that was not gathered from
>     Internet-Drafts will be removed from the datatracker.
>=20
> 2. Community & Other Projects
>   - The Tools Team is working to discontinue MonArch email archives.
>     This will allow all of the mail-related tools to work from one
>     copy of the archives in maildir format.  However, the community
>     clearly still likes the speed offered by MonArch.  Changes to the
>     Mail Archive Tool that use static pages greatly improve speed.
>     These changes will be deployed by these steps:
>       1) Enable mailarchive.ietf.org on Cloudflare;
>       2) Change the name of the setting from "legacy" to "static";
>       3) Deploy on the production servers; and
>       4) Send not to the community.
>   - Many mail lists did not have SPAM filters in place.  Last week,
>     the Secretariat allied a SPAM setting to all of the lists that
>     did not have one, and then sent instructions to the WG Chairs
>     about making adjustments.  Going forward, newly created mail
>     list will get the SPAM filter setting, and the list maintainer
>     can adjust if they wish.
>   - Secretariat removed over 30,000 SPAM messages from the archives.
>=20
> 3. RFC Services Projects
>   - RFC Format contracts are on schedule:
>     -- IDnits
>     -- Publication Formatter
>     -- Text Submission
>     -- RFClint
>     -- SVGcheck
>     -- XMLdiff
>   - The RFC Editor chose Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) Tiny as the
>     subset of SVG that is allowed in RFCs.  SVGcheck makes sure that
>     the embedded graphic conforms to this subset.  It was recently
>     discovered that some tools use markers for arrowheads, but markers
>     are not part of the SVG Tiny specification produced by W3C.  The
>     development will continue without allowing markers, and the RFC
>     Editorwill revisit this issue if it becomes a problem for authors.
>=20
> 4. Server Infrastructure
>   - The custom DMARC-handling software is deployed for all mail lists.
>   - There is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC.
>     First, the ARC software will be installed on the sandbox, and
>     then the Secretariat will determine whether it has the knobs to
>     configure it for a few mail lists, but not all of them.  If so,
>     they will run a test on the production server with ARC on a few
>     volunteer mail lists.  If not, we will ask the ARC developers to
>     add the needed knobs.
>=20
> 5. Other Business
>   - The RFC Editor is conducting an experiment with GitHub for AUTH48.
>     TLS 1.3 will be the first document in the experiment.
>   - The web pages for the Tools Team need to be updated.  Work will
>     begin on this effort in the next few days:
>     -- https://www.ietf.org/about/grpups/tools
>     -- https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/tools/about/
>=20
> 6. Parking Lot
>   - Prepare the RFC Production Center code for publication.
>     -- Maybe this can get some attention when the six RFC Format tools
>        are posted in an open source repository.
>=20


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On 2018-06-13 17:29, Russ Housley wrote:
> Tools Team Report -- 13 June 2018
> ...
> 3. RFC Services Projects
>     - RFC Format contracts are on schedule:
>       -- IDnits
>       -- Publication Formatter
>       -- Text Submission
>       -- RFClint
>       -- SVGcheck
>       -- XMLdiff
>     - The RFC Editor chose Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) Tiny as the
>       subset of SVG that is allowed in RFCs.  SVGcheck makes sure that
>       the embedded graphic conforms to this subset.  It was recently
>       discovered that some tools use markers for arrowheads, but markers
>       are not part of the SVG Tiny specification produced by W3C.  The
>       development will continue without allowing markers, and the RFC
>       Editorwill revisit this issue if it becomes a problem for authors.
> ...

Any news about the v3 publication formatter?

Best regards, Julian


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> On Jun 13, 2018, at 11:29 AM, Russ Housley  =
wrote:
>=20
> Tools Team Report -- 13 June 2018
>=20
> 1. Datatracker Projects
>   - The work on GDPR compliance delayed some of the other activities
>     -- See http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
>   - All of the user facing changes for GDPR Compliance have been
>     deployed, and the management commands for removal of consent-
>     based information will be completed in the next few days.
>   - A small number of people need to give consent for information in
>     the datatracker; this is mostly people that have biographic data
>     but do not currently hold leadership positions.  These people will
>     be sent an email next week asking for consent.  The email will
>     include a link to their datatracker account page.  If they do not
>     go to that page by 25 June 2018 (one month after the GDPR became
>     effective), then the information that was not gathered from
>     Internet-Drafts will be removed from the datatracker.
>=20
> 2. Community & Other Projects
>   - The Tools Team is working to discontinue MonArch email archives.
>     This will allow all of the mail-related tools to work from one
>     copy of the archives in maildir format.  However, the community
>     clearly still likes the speed offered by MonArch.  Changes to the
>     Mail Archive Tool that use static pages greatly improve speed.
>     These changes will be deployed by these steps:
>       1) Enable mailarchive.ietf.org on Cloudflare;
>       2) Change the name of the setting from "legacy" to "static";
>       3) Deploy on the production servers; and
>       4) Send not to the community.
>   - Many mail lists did not have SPAM filters in place.  Last week,
>     the Secretariat allied a SPAM setting to all of the lists that
>     did not have one, and then sent instructions to the WG Chairs
>     about making adjustments.  Going forward, newly created mail
>     list will get the SPAM filter setting, and the list maintainer
>     can adjust if they wish.
>   - Secretariat removed over 30,000 SPAM messages from the archives.
>=20
> 3. RFC Services Projects
>   - RFC Format contracts are on schedule:
>     -- IDnits
>     -- Publication Formatter
>     -- Text Submission
>     -- RFClint
>     -- SVGcheck
>     -- XMLdiff
>   - The RFC Editor chose Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) Tiny as the
>     subset of SVG that is allowed in RFCs.  SVGcheck makes sure that
>     the embedded graphic conforms to this subset.  It was recently
>     discovered that some tools use markers for arrowheads, but markers
>     are not part of the SVG Tiny specification produced by W3C.  The
>     development will continue without allowing markers, and the RFC
>     Editorwill revisit this issue if it becomes a problem for authors.
>=20
> 4. Server Infrastructure
>   - The custom DMARC-handling software is deployed for all mail lists.
>   - There is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC.
>     First, the ARC software will be installed on the sandbox, and
>     then the Secretariat will determine whether it has the knobs to
>     configure it for a few mail lists, but not all of them.  If so,
>     they will run a test on the production server with ARC on a few
>     volunteer mail lists.  If not, we will ask the ARC developers to
>     add the needed knobs.
>=20
> 5. Other Business
>   - The RFC Editor is conducting an experiment with GitHub for AUTH48.
>     TLS 1.3 will be the first document in the experiment.
>   - The web pages for the Tools Team need to be updated.  Work will
>     begin on this effort in the next few days:
>     -- https://www.ietf.org/about/grpups/tools
Nit: s/grpups/groups
>     -- https://datatracker.ietf.org/group/tools/about/

This is great! One thing to consider is what action visitors might take =
after coming to the page=E2=80=94go to another page, register for =
something, sign up to a mailing list, etc. (This will differ for IETF =
participants, potential participants, non-participants). There=E2=80=99s =
an option in Wagtail to add a =E2=80=9Ccall to action=E2=80=9D block at =
the bottom of pages. See the IETF Hackathon page as an example:

https://www.ietf.org/how/runningcode/hackathons/

The Code Sprint page might also deserve review:

https://www.ietf.org/how/runningcode/code-sprint/

We=E2=80=99ll have a photographer at IETF 102, so could capture photos.

Let me know if there=E2=80=99s anything I can do to help (especially on =
the www.ietf.org page(s)).

Thanks,
-Greg

>=20
> 6. Parking Lot
>   - Prepare the RFC Production Center code for publication.
>     -- Maybe this can get some attention when the six RFC Format tools
>        are posted in an open source repository.
>=20
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On 2018-06-13 18:17, Julian Reschke wrote:
> On 2018-06-13 17:29, Russ Housley wrote:
>> Tools Team Report -- 13 June 2018
>> ...
>> 3. RFC Services Projects
>>     - RFC Format contracts are on schedule:
>>       -- IDnits
>>       -- Publication Formatter
>>       -- Text Submission
>>       -- RFClint
>>       -- SVGcheck
>>       -- XMLdiff
>>     - The RFC Editor chose Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) Tiny as the
>>       subset of SVG that is allowed in RFCs.  SVGcheck makes sure that
>>       the embedded graphic conforms to this subset.  It was recently
>>       discovered that some tools use markers for arrowheads, but markers
>>       are not part of the SVG Tiny specification produced by W3C.  The
>>       development will continue without allowing markers, and the RFC
>>       Editorwill revisit this issue if it becomes a problem for authors.
>> ...
>
> Any news about the v3 publication formatter?

I expect to do a release of the text formatter in one to two weeks.  I'm now
well into table layout, and then will do the Authors' Addresses parts, and
do the first xml2rfc release with the v3 text formatter.

Best regards,

	Henrik


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> On Jun 13, 2018, at 12:17 PM, Julian Reschke  =
wrote:
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> On 2018-06-13 17:29, Russ Housley wrote:
>> Tools Team Report -- 13 June 2018
>> ...
>> 3. RFC Services Projects
>>    - RFC Format contracts are on schedule:
>>      -- IDnits
>>      -- Publication Formatter
>>      -- Text Submission
>>      -- RFClint
>>      -- SVGcheck
>>      -- XMLdiff
>>    - The RFC Editor chose Scalable Vector Graphics (SVG) Tiny as the
>>      subset of SVG that is allowed in RFCs.  SVGcheck makes sure that
>>      the embedded graphic conforms to this subset.  It was recently
>>      discovered that some tools use markers for arrowheads, but =
markers
>>      are not part of the SVG Tiny specification produced by W3C.  The
>>      development will continue without allowing markers, and the RFC
>>      Editorwill revisit this issue if it becomes a problem for =
authors.
>> ...
>=20
> Any news about the v3 publication formatter?

The formatter for plain text will be available for testing by the end of =
June.

Russ