From nobody Mon Apr 1 12:01:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2CB91204E0 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 12:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2_1cB6J_mmVo for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 12:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BACA81204FD for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 12:01:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x31J1QCd021011 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:01:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554145287; bh=PGdtofhFWioNAtzC3lOR8NVJK3SpLiO73e6Q+75ynlA=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=kT9FiPUWgJv7ETwUaKtGI9keHwx3bfQ87YpwLC/187iYxJ4H9ZnyBK1S2FBCVNgZP aZIJFjSN9gt8HLKoOkvprkHKLOt/WbABw74Mstl8IEzrpKzfsIKogZ++ZimkALOWBP HVpjoOmEh5LcCtyvqbmdywZzoUBswfW47jIm4/iM= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: IETF Tools Development From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 14:01:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Is the inline-errata SOW ready to ship? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 19:01:37 -0000 We've had several conversations (and will likely continue to have more) about how the RFC Editor might represent the output of this tool, but none of them impacted the requirements on the tool itself. I believe this is ready to issue as an RFP. Is anyone aware of anything in it that needs to change before we do that? RjS https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T-6eBrNPC7aIxOTChdIZE7fecbxUJ7kq-F6RhyCNUGI/edit?usp=sharing From nobody Mon Apr 1 15:00:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD0A1120047 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:00:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G0bsEZAxZhvN for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F56C120021 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 15:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2D20300ADB for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:41:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id CrLPjKqDteS3 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8DAB3005AB; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 17:59:55 -0400 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <403A2FF4-1CB4-47FA-94AE-380CC93FC5D6@vigilsec.com> References: To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Is the inline-errata SOW ready to ship? X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 22:00:05 -0000 I just took another look, and it seems to be ready. Russ > On Apr 1, 2019, at 3:01 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > We've had several conversations (and will likely continue to have = more) about how the RFC Editor might represent the output of this tool, = but none of them impacted the requirements on the tool itself. >=20 > I believe this is ready to issue as an RFP. >=20 > Is anyone aware of anything in it that needs to change before we do = that? >=20 > RjS >=20 > = https://docs.google.com/document/d/1T-6eBrNPC7aIxOTChdIZE7fecbxUJ7kq-F6Rhy= CNUGI/edit?usp=3Dsharing >=20 > _ From nobody Tue Apr 2 10:50:33 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24ABB120181 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 10:50:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.978 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R-8dRAWTjjsL for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 10:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 35F07120147 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 10:50:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x32HoROk046498 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:50:28 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554227428; bh=SwoM2WGHxyySfVHcZaj1k3r62POBVgxiLNdBSsvULcs=; h=Subject:References:To:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=KXMuHa3k7c7ACGGYLxV/4VmMhh1HSAokl15R+Err4AHckIvuQyUvopEjq12ThqIRv InE/3wlApAXFZNm9NIgdav8dWYcgSzUS9nqoAQoSBkpP5OOQmaAT6PxEoZFcfBWRlR lvnI1Mm0fSi15EeE+RkOuBlb5Uw5JWVxXsnDuoFk= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local References: <9D205B0A-7A1B-4E63-B0E3-D597B966D254@bangj.com> To: IETF Tools Development From: Robert Sparks X-Forwarded-Message-Id: <9D205B0A-7A1B-4E63-B0E3-D597B966D254@bangj.com> Message-ID: <6199636f-1ddc-6ae3-9907-53ad5ecf7bf5@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:50:26 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <9D205B0A-7A1B-4E63-B0E3-D597B966D254@bangj.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F52A10D6321D33BD9112267B" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 17:50:32 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F52A10D6321D33BD9112267B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tools team: Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos and what we might strive for that's better. Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are currently? Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer to what Tom describes? RjS -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: Meetecho Thoughts Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400 From: Tom Pusateri To: Robert Sparks Certainly. The more awareness the better. Tom > On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > Got it. > > May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to Russ)? > > RjS > > On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >> Robert, >> I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution >> not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open >> format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in >> more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and that’s >> doable but there’s very little information in them anymore. >> >> I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking at >> the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter. >> >> My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and have >> a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current mode >> which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user experience. >> Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans when mostly >> what you want is audio and synchronized slides. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom >> >> >>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>> >>> Hi Tom - >>> >>> If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and >>> capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive >>> (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the >>> tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is quite >>> large. >>> >>> RjS >>> >>> On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>> Robert, >>>> I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick >>>> meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from >>>> Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per >>>> session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my goals >>>> align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time about this? >>>> >>>> I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I would >>>> like to do something better and think if we could get separate >>>> output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, we might be >>>> able to experiment a bit. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>> IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, remote >>>> participation meetings, etc. >>>> >>>> Audio >>>> Slides >>>> Video >>>> Jabber comments >>>> Events >>>> • Each speaker at the front of the room >>>> • Each person coming to the microphone in the audience >>>> • Slide changes >>>> >>>> All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language >>>> >>>> Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media and >>>> events. >>>> >>>> Examples: >>>> Audio only for low bandwidth consumption >>>> Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4) >>>> Overlay jabber messages synchronized >>>> Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics >>>> >>>> One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough for >>>> best user experience in app integration --------------F52A10D6321D33BD9112267B Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Tools team:

Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos and what we might strive for that's better.

Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are currently?

Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer to what Tom describes?

RjS

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Meetecho Thoughts
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400
From: Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com>
To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>


Certainly. The more awareness the better.

Tom


On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Got it.

May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to Russ)?

RjS

On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
Robert,
I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and that’s doable but there’s very little information in them anymore.

I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking at the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter.

My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and have a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current mode which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user experience. Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans when mostly what you want is audio and synchronized slides.

Thanks,
Tom


On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Hi Tom -

If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is quite large.

RjS

On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
Robert,
I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my goals align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time about this?

I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I would like to do something better and think if we could get separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, we might be able to experiment a bit.

Thanks,
Tom


IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, remote participation meetings, etc.

Audio
Slides
Video
Jabber comments
Events
• Each speaker at the front of the room
• Each person coming to the microphone in the audience
• Slide changes

All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language

Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media and events.

Examples:
Audio only for low bandwidth consumption
Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4)
Overlay jabber messages synchronized
Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics

One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough for best user experience in app integration

--------------F52A10D6321D33BD9112267B-- From nobody Tue Apr 2 14:01:24 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FBC1202E1 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:01:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.678 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.678 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v5Utf0tOPBQ3 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 190221202E0 for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:01:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook-Pro.roach.at (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x32L1I9a082183 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 2 Apr 2019 16:01:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554238880; bh=HORLlrCSOolFMcGvGVhVMzG6cgm7sKiWxPzv2hTQlRs=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=nmPbvXXx2svN8ce43tEcy71W+RyXNDtHCfmUhPynKyjsLWyLSr/pjYnTFvNkLOIMz IEY2WQDtKVg6Y3uqnadwRSavDDIBluK+j4KEJcukPNRpiUfuT+dXLnhfKDwmJeKQHB Ijag2XAZVOfEQbnE+AgCxSrmMFdJdlwe9Qc9Yues= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be MacBook-Pro.roach.at To: Robert Sparks , IETF Tools Development References: <9D205B0A-7A1B-4E63-B0E3-D597B966D254@bangj.com> <6199636f-1ddc-6ae3-9907-53ad5ecf7bf5@nostrum.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 16:01:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6199636f-1ddc-6ae3-9907-53ad5ecf7bf5@nostrum.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------913FDD2D79B2EA11A4B4DA90" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 21:01:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------913FDD2D79B2EA11A4B4DA90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit FWIW, Meetecho already produces a playback application that gets you several of the features that Tom has described. See, e.g.: https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120 You can find these on the IETF HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" meetecho button. /a On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > Tools team: > > Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the > IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos and > what we might strive for that's better. > > Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are > currently? > > Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer to > what Tom describes? > > RjS > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Re: Meetecho Thoughts > Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400 > From: Tom Pusateri > To: Robert Sparks > > > > Certainly. The more awareness the better. > > Tom > > >> On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: >> >> Got it. >> >> May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to Russ)? >> >> RjS >> >> On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>> Robert, >>> I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution >>> not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open >>> format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in >>> more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and that’s >>> doable but there’s very little information in them anymore. >>> >>> I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking at >>> the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter. >>> >>> My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and have >>> a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current mode >>> which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user experience. >>> Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans when mostly >>> what you want is audio and synchronized slides. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Tom >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Tom - >>>> >>>> If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and >>>> capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive >>>> (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the >>>> tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is quite >>>> large. >>>> >>>> RjS >>>> >>>> On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>> Robert, >>>>> I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick >>>>> meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from >>>>> Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per >>>>> session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my goals >>>>> align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time about this? >>>>> >>>>> I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I >>>>> would like to do something better and think if we could get >>>>> separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, we >>>>> might be able to experiment a bit. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, >>>>> remote participation meetings, etc. >>>>> >>>>> Audio >>>>> Slides >>>>> Video >>>>> Jabber comments >>>>> Events >>>>> • Each speaker at the front of the room >>>>> • Each person coming to the microphone in the audience >>>>> • Slide changes >>>>> >>>>> All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL >>>>> >>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language >>>>> >>>>> Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media and >>>>> events. >>>>> >>>>> Examples: >>>>> Audio only for low bandwidth consumption >>>>> Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4) >>>>> Overlay jabber messages synchronized >>>>> Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics >>>>> >>>>> One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough for >>>>> best user experience in app integration > > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --------------913FDD2D79B2EA11A4B4DA90 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
FWIW, Meetecho already produces a playback application that gets you several of the features that Tom has described. See, e.g.:

https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120

You can find these on the IETF HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" meetecho button.

/a


On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:

Tools team:

Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos and what we might strive for that's better.

Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are currently?

Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer to what Tom describes?

RjS

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Meetecho Thoughts
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400
From: Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com>
To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>


Certainly. The more awareness the better.

Tom


On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Got it.

May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to Russ)?

RjS

On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
Robert,
I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and that’s doable but there’s very little information in them anymore.

I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking at the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter.

My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and have a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current mode which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user experience. Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans when mostly what you want is audio and synchronized slides.

Thanks,
Tom


On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Hi Tom -

If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is quite large.

RjS

On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
Robert,
I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my goals align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time about this?

I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I would like to do something better and think if we could get separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, we might be able to experiment a bit.

Thanks,
Tom


IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, remote participation meetings, etc.

Audio
Slides
Video
Jabber comments
Events
• Each speaker at the front of the room
• Each person coming to the microphone in the audience
• Slide changes

All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language

Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media and events.

Examples:
Audio only for low bandwidth consumption
Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4)
Overlay jabber messages synchronized
Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics

One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough for best user experience in app integration


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See, e.g.: > > https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120 > > You can find these on the IETF HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" > meetecho button. > > /a > > > On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >> >> Tools team: >> >> Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the >> IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos >> and what we might strive for that's better. >> >> Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are >> currently? >> >> Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer to >> what Tom describes? >> >> RjS >> >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >> Subject: Re: Meetecho Thoughts >> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400 >> From: Tom Pusateri >> To: Robert Sparks >> >> >> >> Certainly. The more awareness the better. >> >> Tom >> >> >>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>> >>> Got it. >>> >>> May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to Russ)? >>> >>> RjS >>> >>> On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>> Robert, >>>> I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution >>>> not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open >>>> format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in >>>> more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and >>>> that’s doable but there’s very little information in them anymore. >>>> >>>> I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking >>>> at the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter. >>>> >>>> My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and >>>> have a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current >>>> mode which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user >>>> experience. Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans >>>> when mostly what you want is audio and synchronized slides. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tom >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Tom - >>>>> >>>>> If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and >>>>> capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive >>>>> (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the >>>>> tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is quite >>>>> large. >>>>> >>>>> RjS >>>>> >>>>> On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>>> Robert, >>>>>> I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick >>>>>> meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from >>>>>> Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per >>>>>> session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my goals >>>>>> align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time about this? >>>>>> >>>>>> I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I >>>>>> would like to do something better and think if we could get >>>>>> separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, >>>>>> we might be able to experiment a bit. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Tom >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, >>>>>> remote participation meetings, etc. >>>>>> >>>>>> Audio >>>>>> Slides >>>>>> Video >>>>>> Jabber comments >>>>>> Events >>>>>> • Each speaker at the front of the room >>>>>> • Each person coming to the microphone in the audience >>>>>> • Slide changes >>>>>> >>>>>> All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL >>>>>> >>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language >>>>>> >>>>>> Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media >>>>>> and events. >>>>>> >>>>>> Examples: >>>>>> Audio only for low bandwidth consumption >>>>>> Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4) >>>>>> Overlay jabber messages synchronized >>>>>> Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics >>>>>> >>>>>> One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough >>>>>> for best user experience in app integration >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > --------------E7BB48E71DE907723D2592BB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Yes, but Tom's looking for something using an open format that he can integrate into things like his app.

On 4/2/19 4:01 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
FWIW, Meetecho already produces a playback application that gets you several of the features that Tom has described. See, e.g.:

https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120

You can find these on the IETF HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" meetecho button.

/a


On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:

Tools team:

Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos and what we might strive for that's better.

Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are currently?

Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer to what Tom describes?

RjS

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Meetecho Thoughts
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400
From: Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com>
To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>


Certainly. The more awareness the better.

Tom


On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Got it.

May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to Russ)?

RjS

On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
Robert,
I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and that’s doable but there’s very little information in them anymore.

I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking at the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter.

My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and have a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current mode which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user experience. Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans when mostly what you want is audio and synchronized slides.

Thanks,
Tom


On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Hi Tom -

If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is quite large.

RjS

On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
Robert,
I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my goals align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time about this?

I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I would like to do something better and think if we could get separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, we might be able to experiment a bit.

Thanks,
Tom


IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, remote participation meetings, etc.

Audio
Slides
Video
Jabber comments
Events
• Each speaker at the front of the room
• Each person coming to the microphone in the audience
• Slide changes

All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language

Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media and events.

Examples:
Audio only for low bandwidth consumption
Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4)
Overlay jabber messages synchronized
Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics

One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough for best user experience in app integration


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TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list
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--------------E7BB48E71DE907723D2592BB-- From nobody Tue Apr 2 14:21:57 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30C991200CC for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:21:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.678 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.678 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id copQi5mB5XFZ for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5C1D12008A for ; Tue, 2 Apr 2019 14:21:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook-Pro.roach.at (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x32LLpog085943 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 2 Apr 2019 16:21:52 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554240113; bh=VYx0VrtoZP44Wc7U5u/1RnjTyeqqX0mEo9kCtliLOao=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=GGef7w1py6crU/65bEYEucN02r72HlV6NBqpED8EiNb/X1MxIyqwCqTjiOJ9WcR2A RYhD7ehbqODSrWySSIozFt2oeEyx4jF3h7S/QoG5AzhlS0Wrxu1DHAI32MmNzDMoEX wOp5JRVe1g3wJGAog+pOsDmtSvEUuGQ4x85lRc3Y= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be MacBook-Pro.roach.at To: Robert Sparks , IETF Tools Development References: <9D205B0A-7A1B-4E63-B0E3-D597B966D254@bangj.com> <6199636f-1ddc-6ae3-9907-53ad5ecf7bf5@nostrum.com> <74fb0dba-d1a1-ab1c-686e-56f2502a0a39@nostrum.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <576f3104-9936-7fb1-127b-c59e960fcc51@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 16:21:46 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <74fb0dba-d1a1-ab1c-686e-56f2502a0a39@nostrum.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------70E20BDC1B882DDA0F1FB802" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: Re: Meetecho Thoughts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Apr 2019 21:21:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------70E20BDC1B882DDA0F1FB802 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I suspect it's mostly a matter of asking the MeetEcho folks for pointers to their formats. For example, the Jabber transcripts can be seen in an easy-to-use JSON format here: https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/session/IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120 And the timestamped transcript is here: https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/resources/IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120 /a On 4/2/19 4:03 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > Yes, but Tom's looking for something using an open format that he can > integrate into things like his app. > > On 4/2/19 4:01 PM, Adam Roach wrote: >> FWIW, Meetecho already produces a playback application that gets you >> several of the features that Tom has described. See, e.g.: >> >> https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120 >> >> You can find these on the IETF HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" >> meetecho button. >> >> /a >> >> >> On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>> >>> Tools team: >>> >>> Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the >>> IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos >>> and what we might strive for that's better. >>> >>> Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are >>> currently? >>> >>> Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer >>> to what Tom describes? >>> >>> RjS >>> >>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>> Subject: Re: Meetecho Thoughts >>> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400 >>> From: Tom Pusateri >>> To: Robert Sparks >>> >>> >>> >>> Certainly. The more awareness the better. >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Got it. >>>> >>>> May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to >>>> Russ)? >>>> >>>> RjS >>>> >>>> On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>> Robert, >>>>> I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution >>>>> not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open >>>>> format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in >>>>> more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and >>>>> that’s doable but there’s very little information in them anymore. >>>>> >>>>> I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking >>>>> at the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter. >>>>> >>>>> My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and >>>>> have a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current >>>>> mode which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user >>>>> experience. Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans >>>>> when mostly what you want is audio and synchronized slides. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Tom >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Tom - >>>>>> >>>>>> If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and >>>>>> capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive >>>>>> (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the >>>>>> tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is >>>>>> quite large. >>>>>> >>>>>> RjS >>>>>> >>>>>> On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>>>> Robert, >>>>>>> I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick >>>>>>> meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from >>>>>>> Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per >>>>>>> session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my >>>>>>> goals align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time >>>>>>> about this? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I >>>>>>> would like to do something better and think if we could get >>>>>>> separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, >>>>>>> we might be able to experiment a bit. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, >>>>>>> remote participation meetings, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Audio >>>>>>> Slides >>>>>>> Video >>>>>>> Jabber comments >>>>>>> Events >>>>>>> • Each speaker at the front of the room >>>>>>> • Each person coming to the microphone in the audience >>>>>>> • Slide changes >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media >>>>>>> and events. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Examples: >>>>>>> Audio only for low bandwidth consumption >>>>>>> Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4) >>>>>>> Overlay jabber messages synchronized >>>>>>> Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics >>>>>>> >>>>>>> One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough >>>>>>> for best user experience in app integration >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> >> --------------70E20BDC1B882DDA0F1FB802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
I suspect it's mostly a matter of asking the MeetEcho folks for pointers to their formats. For example, the Jabber transcripts can be seen in an easy-to-use JSON format here:

https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/session/IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120

And the timestamped transcript is here:

https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/resources/IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120

/a


On 4/2/19 4:03 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:

Yes, but Tom's looking for something using an open format that he can integrate into things like his app.

On 4/2/19 4:01 PM, Adam Roach wrote:
FWIW, Meetecho already produces a playback application that gets you several of the features that Tom has described. See, e.g.:

https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120

You can find these on the IETF HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" meetecho button.

/a


On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:

Tools team:

Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos and what we might strive for that's better.

Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are currently?

Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer to what Tom describes?

RjS

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Meetecho Thoughts
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400
From: Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com>
To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>


Certainly. The more awareness the better.

Tom


On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Got it.

May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to Russ)?

RjS

On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
Robert,
I probably shouldn’t have mentioned SMIL because that’s a solution not a problem. I’m not trying to dictate a solution, only an open format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in more useful ways. I’ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and that’s doable but there’s very little information in them anymore.

I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking at the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter.

My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and have a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current mode which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user experience. Youtube videos don’t play well with mobile data plans when mostly what you want is audio and synchronized slides.

Thanks,
Tom


On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Hi Tom -

If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is quite large.

RjS

On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
Robert,
I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my goals align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time about this?

I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I would like to do something better and think if we could get separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, we might be able to experiment a bit.

Thanks,
Tom


IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, remote participation meetings, etc.

Audio
Slides
Video
Jabber comments
Events
• Each speaker at the front of the room
• Each person coming to the microphone in the audience
• Slide changes

All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language

Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media and events.

Examples:
Audio only for low bandwidth consumption
Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4)
Overlay jabber messages synchronized
Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics

One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough for best user experience in app integration


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Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan -- Python2 to Python3 transition 2. Community & Other Projects - Deploy website using Wagtail 2.0 and later -- Robert and Matt - Transfer operations of guides.ietf.org the Secretariat -- Robert 3. RFC Services Projects - RPC testing of new RFC format tools -- Heather and Robert - Security Review of RPC Tools -- Robert and Heather - Rendering errata in more useful way -- Robert -- Ready for RFP -- Portia 4. Server Infrastructure - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey -- When do we expect the next release of OpenARC? 5. YANG Catalog - Transfer yangcatalog.org to the IETF Trust -- Eric - Transfer operations to the IETF Secretariat -- Eric and Glen 6. Parking Lot - Discontinue pipermail email archives -- Robert and Ryan 7. AOB From nobody Fri Apr 5 12:23:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18C8412009E for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 12:23:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kz-kxj96fQY1 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 12:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09E7B120073 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 12:23:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A0FC1C38D0 for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 12:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-f45.google.com (mail-ot1-f45.google.com [209.85.210.45]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 806941C38CE for ; Fri, 5 Apr 2019 12:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f45.google.com with SMTP id j10so6680892otq.0 for ; Fri, 05 Apr 2019 12:23:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXgnpxJBROSLW4siwEgeATzDC8tzP0XvIifnEwLIwfwrzI/nn1C xUmKm8iGUOu7mfYcHPPYwLXse5zbOzfIDfssQKE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxTfvCkwHFIcbgRKrDkHPMI2rkPOvO+LRCFUGW0zrvczjoXPA7HWL+UI/uGsi2dp9EsIu5DnJmUVoF2IykeoG0= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:61d6:: with SMTP id h22mr9304226otk.251.1554492193996; Fri, 05 Apr 2019 12:23:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Glen Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 12:23:02 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000007848c0585cd6b0c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 9 April 2019 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Apr 2019 19:23:17 -0000 --00000000000007848c0585cd6b0c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" In the interest of pre-call clarifications: On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 12:27 PM Russ Housley wrote: > Tools Call Agenda -- 9 April 2019 at 1:00 Eastern > - Transfer yangcatalog.org to the IETF Trust -- Eric I have the token for this. I have a few steps to take before I'll be ready to complete the move, but expect the domain transfer to be completed within the next few weeks. > - Transfer operations to the IETF Secretariat -- Eric and Glen There are probably a number of steps to this that remain. The AMS-provided server in OVH Canada appears to have resolved the prior connection challenges faced by Eric. The previous plan was for Eric to finish the work, and then for us to review the setup with an eye to integrating the service into the existing IETF service field. If that is still the plan, then Eric has the token to finish his work, and then I have the token to review and migrate. But I think there has also been discussion about using this as a containerization target, packaging it up instead into a Docker container for subsequent deployment. If that is the plan, then I *think* maybe Eric has the token to finish his work, and then Robert wanted to review for Docker containerization. I could be completely wrong, this is just how I recall prior discussions, and I mention it now so that we can clarify the plan on the call and keep the project moving in the desired direction. Glen --00000000000007848c0585cd6b0c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
In the interest of pre-call clarifications:
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On Wed, Apr 3, 2019 at 12:27 PM Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
= > Tools Call Agenda -- 9 April 2019 at 1:00 Eastern
> =C2=A0 = =C2=A0- Transfer yangcatalog.org to = the IETF Trust -- Eric

I have the token for this.= =C2=A0 I have a few steps to take before I'll be ready to complete the = move, but expect the domain transfer to be completed within the next few we= eks.

> =C2=A0 =C2=A0- Transfer operations to the= IETF Secretariat -- Eric and Glen

There are probabl= y a number of steps to this that remain.=C2=A0 The AMS-provided server in O= VH Canada appears to have resolved the prior connection challenges faced by= Eric.=C2=A0 The previous plan was for Eric to finish the work, and then fo= r us to review the setup with an eye to integrating the service into the ex= isting IETF service field.=C2=A0 If that is still the plan, then Eric has t= he token to finish his work, and then I have the token to review and migrat= e.

But I think there has also been discussion abou= t using this as a containerization target, packaging it up instead into a D= ocker container for subsequent deployment.=C2=A0 If that is the plan, then = I *think* maybe Eric has the token to finish his work, and then Robert want= ed to review for Docker containerization.

I could = be completely wrong, this is just how I recall prior discussions, and I men= tion it now so that we can clarify the plan on the call and keep the projec= t moving in the desired direction.

Glen
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I have a conflict tomorrow. Alissa > On Apr 3, 2019, at 3:27 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > > Tools Call Agenda -- 9 April 2019 at 1:00 Eastern > > > JOIN WEBEX MEETING > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac > Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 > Meeting password: tools > > JOIN BY PHONE > 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 > Meeting password: tools > > > 1. Datatracker Projects > - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik > -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan > -- Python2 to Python3 transition > > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Deploy website using Wagtail 2.0 and later -- Robert and Matt > - Transfer operations of guides.ietf.org the Secretariat -- Robert > > 3. 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I'm just getting up to speed (and would love any pointers to help in = that process!), but one immediate question -- in the RFP that just went = out, the timeline seems unusually tight. Is there a reason for that? I ask because having such short timelines can severely impact = participation. Cheers, -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Tue Apr 9 12:31:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E77A120316 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:31:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mVonG47OLhv9 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 026AF1203F5 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x39JV1dI005145 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:31:02 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554838262; bh=AKIX4AOYVIukzzgC6LAbNrPzBwaZGZ4sUHV41kK9fS4=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=KqzvxvXmtr98sQw5PfFe960PcB41+3oj2qIGe4sDtsXUbaHjne6fL3KhOqQFYKYDc BOXEa562slynzRsYpFTmCsl76azx5BXJjreIChL7C/lbXLBRxEhrP+PiUPvMci5HbQ z0CRMKevtaH+51Wmwh8pDuFHEmt7WkpuKSWgD4Ts= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: tools-development@ietf.org References: From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:31:01 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Hello tools-development X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 19:31:06 -0000 On 4/8/19 6:48 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've just joined the tools-development team, and hope I can add some value; I have some background in systems administration and web ops. > > I'm just getting up to speed (and would love any pointers to help in that process!), but one immediate question -- in the RFP that just went out, the timeline seems unusually tight. Is there a reason for that? Hi Mark  - These timelines have evolved over a few years of running these RFPs. If you know of someone who would bid, but needs more time, please let us know and we can extend them. > > I ask because having such short timelines can severely impact participation. So far, it hasn't appeared to. We've let some run much longer in the past, and the bids we got were from people that told us they would bid very early on. Again, if you know of someone who's looking but is bothered by the short turnarounds, let us know. > > Cheers, > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Tue Apr 9 12:42:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB57120236 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:42:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.679 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.679 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OHXs030bKofO for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:42:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F398F1202F7 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 12:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x39JgUud006952 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:42:31 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554838951; bh=wcrXmbYRQt3ylTpnPaahuzgkvW0AkpT1p5bTo8Yc7qA=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=cAnOtVvDOfv/2I9TjvJYk1VPlQpApPzJd9/7ffXfpPEFQeexV3OdrOy7WKlkaEUR5 XeOiZ5syHO6SKav2dsRdMWDe7ZunGdRLU6qYZWWchA2UkmP0iVAfap9E/zL8lPHUk/ oZfNXZSkn7iLq7JUwgjlz5slFxAE02ScoybOiLMw= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: Mark Nottingham , IETF Tools Development References: From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <6709316c-ef68-397d-25c1-8de8af226b27@nostrum.com> Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:42:29 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Future tools call times (was Re: Hello tools-development) X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 19:42:33 -0000 Hi Mark - There was a tools team call today - I figure you missed it because it was at an awful time for where you are on the planet (3am if I did the math right). The primary point of the calls is to go over in-flight and upcoming activities to help make it less likely that some of us surprise the rest. Sometimes we make priority adjustments during the calls. I think we should discuss the call schedule (but I don't have the token to change it). We have regular participants in Sweden, Belgium, and the range of CONUS timezones. From our experience with trying to schedule IAB calls, I know there's no _good_ time, but is there a time that has worked better than others? RjS On 4/8/19 6:48 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I've just joined the tools-development team, and hope I can add some value; I have some background in systems administration and web ops. > > I'm just getting up to speed (and would love any pointers to help in that process!), but one immediate question -- in the RFP that just went out, the timeline seems unusually tight. Is there a reason for that? > > I ask because having such short timelines can severely impact participation. > > Cheers, > > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Tue Apr 9 14:49:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 792B7120454 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:49:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M8onSNNPQ-qg for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFF85120422 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04BFB1C1E5E; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:49:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xC4InUWT3q-V; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:49:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [64.170.98.176] (unknown [64.170.98.176]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CE33E1C1E51; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:49:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Liz Flynn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_F2235327-6756-4216-97B2-6C26C4087526" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 14:49:27 -0700 References: To: Russ Housley , IETF Tools Development In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Notes 2019-04-09 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 21:49:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_F2235327-6756-4216-97B2-6C26C4087526 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi everyone, Please see below for notes from today=E2=80=99s tools call.=20 Liz Flynn Project Manager / IETF lflynn@amsl.com > On Apr 3, 2019, at 12:27 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Tools Call Agenda -- 9 April 2019 at 1:00 Eastern >=20 >=20 > 1. Datatracker Projects > - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik > -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan > -- Python2 to Python3 transition Yesterday=E2=80=99s Datatracker release contained the activity from the = Code Sprint at IETF 104. Rather than the merge plan, we should be tracking the link to the = Datatracker plan = >. The plan = has been updated to prioritize transition to Python 3, and there=E2=80=99s= only one thing still ahead of that (a structural change to DocAlias). = Once that model change is done we will focus on Python 3. >=20 > 2. Community & Other Projects > - Deploy website using Wagtail 2.0 and later -- Robert and Matt Robert: Wagtail deployment was yesterday. It=E2=80=99s a first step = toward containerizing the website.=20 Glen: There are a few minor things to clean up, like http authorization = protections for some sections. This is not an issue that could delay = opening meeting registration; if anything it would only affect staff = access to administrative pages. > - Transfer operations of guides.ietf.org the Secretariat =E2=80=94 = Robert Robert plans to fully containerize this site so it can be cloud deployed = and it is quite likely to be done by the next Tools team call. >=20 > 3. RFC Services Projects > - RPC testing of new RFC format tools -- Heather and Robert The size of things being requested is getting smaller. No big surprises = here. > - Security Review of RPC Tools -- Robert and Heather Security review is still on hold. Ideally the test environment will be = complete enough before the cutover, but it will be easier to do after = the cutover. > - Rendering errata in more useful way -- Robert > -- Ready for RFP =E2=80=94 Portia An RFP was released yesterday. Mark Nottingham has asked why the tight = deadline; we=E2=80=99re just following the schedule that has been = developed. If he knows anyone who might have bid but was turned off by = the deadline, let us know and we can talk about extending it. Robert = will respond to Mark with that message. >=20 > 4. Server Infrastructure > - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey > -- When do we expect the next release of OpenARC? No news from the ARC folks. Henrik will follow up with them by mail. >=20 > 5. YANG Catalog > - Transfer yangcatalog.org to the IETF Trust -- Eric > - Transfer operations to the IETF Secretariat -- Eric and Glen Robert will be taking over the day to day management of the Yang = catalog. The transfer can be done anytime.=20 Glen will do a temporary transfer now and address cleanup of primary = accounts later. >=20 > 6. Parking Lot > - Discontinue pipermail email archives -- Robert and Ryan >=20 > 7. AOB >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 --Apple-Mail=_F2235327-6756-4216-97B2-6C26C4087526 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi everyone,

Please see below for notes from today=E2=80=99s tools = call. 

Liz Flynn
Project Manager / IETF



On Apr 3, 2019, at 12:27 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

Tools = Call Agenda -- 9 April 2019 at 1:00 Eastern


1. Datatracker Projects
=   - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik
    -- http://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/wiki/MergePlan
    -- Python2 to Python3 transition

Yesterday=E2=80=99s Datatracker release contained = the activity from the Code Sprint at IETF 104.

Rather than the merge plan, we should be tracking = the link to the Datatracker plan <https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN= >. The plan has been updated to prioritize transition to Python 3, = and there=E2=80=99s only one thing still ahead of that (a structural = change to DocAlias). Once that model change is done we will focus on = Python 3.



2.= Community & Other Projects
  - Deploy = website using Wagtail 2.0 and later -- Robert and Matt

Robert:= Wagtail deployment was yesterday. It=E2=80=99s a first step toward = containerizing the website. 

Glen: There are a few minor things to clean up, = like http authorization protections for some sections. This is not an = issue that could delay opening meeting registration; if anything it = would only affect staff access to administrative pages.

  - Transfer operations of guides.ietf.org the = Secretariat =E2=80=94 Robert

Robert = plans to fully containerize this site so it can be cloud deployed and it = is quite likely to be done by the next Tools team call.



3. RFC Services Projects
  - RPC testing of new RFC format tools -- Heather = and Robert

The size of things being requested is getting = smaller. No big surprises here.

  - = Security Review of RPC Tools -- Robert and Heather

Security review is still on hold. Ideally the test = environment will be complete enough before the cutover, but it will be = easier to do after the cutover.

  - = Rendering errata in more useful way -- Robert
=     -- Ready for RFP =E2=80=94 Portia

An = RFP was released yesterday. Mark Nottingham has asked why the tight = deadline; we=E2=80=99re just following the schedule that has been = developed. If he knows anyone who might have bid but was turned off by = the deadline, let us know and we can talk about extending it. Robert = will respond to Mark with that message.


4.= Server Infrastructure
  - IESG discussions of = DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey
    -- = When do we expect the next release of OpenARC?

No = news from the ARC folks. Henrik will follow up with them by = mail.



5.= YANG Catalog
  - Transfer yangcatalog.org to the = IETF Trust -- Eric
  - Transfer operations to = the IETF Secretariat -- Eric and Glen

Robert = will be taking over the day to day management of the Yang catalog. The = transfer can be done anytime. 

Glen will do a temporary transfer now and address = cleanup of primary accounts later.



6. Parking Lot
  - = Discontinue pipermail email archives -- Robert and Ryan

7. AOB

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I don't know of anyone in particular right now. It's just that = an RPF with such a short timeline usually carries the unspoken message = "don't bother applying, we already have someone in mind", and I don't = think that's a very good message for us to be sending. Cheers, > On 10 Apr 2019, at 5:31 am, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 >=20 > On 4/8/19 6:48 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> Hi everyone, >>=20 >> I've just joined the tools-development team, and hope I can add some = value; I have some background in systems administration and web ops. >>=20 >> I'm just getting up to speed (and would love any pointers to help in = that process!), but one immediate question -- in the RFP that just went = out, the timeline seems unusually tight. Is there a reason for that? >=20 > Hi Mark - >=20 > These timelines have evolved over a few years of running these RFPs. = If you know of someone who would bid, but needs more time, please let us = know and we can extend them. >=20 >>=20 >> I ask because having such short timelines can severely impact = participation. > So far, it hasn't appeared to. We've let some run much longer in the = past, and the bids we got were from people that told us they would bid = very early on. Again, if you know of someone who's looking but is = bothered by the short turnarounds, let us know. >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> -- >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Tue Apr 9 16:36:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0285D120478 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 16:36:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ggJAbBqGoUT for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 16:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB49F120475 for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 16:36:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.3.102] ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x39NacOa045947 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Tue, 9 Apr 2019 18:36:39 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554852999; bh=SiERfJF2OdVNGng7PzjqQlKiYupl9NxryTGhbxnjopQ=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=Rlbj4bMhuJqGutOBRKqCMeiGPhnG3x0s5VUs+1oo8ukjabokgLFL1mVe/OIVQLJ1Q qGqHpAe5W+XkcA7f2oOZu5VOvNNW2Gk6nZ1Ua7NTbVH+fQxkKGXUmapedriwyzN02b 0Phwi9uODCvyCs2rSSMRej6Bv+NcgKg0DSCm3ppg= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be [192.168.3.102] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16D57) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2019 18:36:38 -0500 Cc: tools-development@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4178B245-B0CD-40A6-8FA3-922AAB7ECD0F@nostrum.com> References: To: Mark Nottingham Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Hello tools-development X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 23:36:42 -0000 Understood. We definitely did not plan to send that message.=20 Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 9, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >=20 > Hey Robert, >=20 > Thanks. I don't know of anyone in particular right now. It's just that an R= PF with such a short timeline usually carries the unspoken message "don't bo= ther applying, we already have someone in mind", and I don't think that's a v= ery good message for us to be sending. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 >=20 >> On 10 Apr 2019, at 5:31 am, Robert Sparks wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 4/8/19 6:48 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >>> Hi everyone, >>>=20 >>> I've just joined the tools-development team, and hope I can add some val= ue; I have some background in systems administration and web ops. >>>=20 >>> I'm just getting up to speed (and would love any pointers to help in tha= t process!), but one immediate question -- in the RFP that just went out, th= e timeline seems unusually tight. Is there a reason for that? >>=20 >> Hi Mark - >>=20 >> These timelines have evolved over a few years of running these RFPs. If y= ou know of someone who would bid, but needs more time, please let us know an= d we can extend them. >>=20 >>>=20 >>> I ask because having such short timelines can severely impact participat= ion. >> So far, it hasn't appeared to. We've let some run much longer in the past= , and the bids we got were from people that told us they would bid very earl= y on. Again, if you know of someone who's looking but is bothered by the sho= rt turnarounds, let us know. >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >=20 From nobody Tue Apr 9 16:45:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220191204AD for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 16:45:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnot.net header.b=LM/ahdN9; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=7nl9nfN1 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P0raZyb2bICp for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 16:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com (wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com [64.147.123.24]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DF4D12049D for ; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 16:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1C7A301; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 19:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 09 Apr 2019 19:44:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnot.net; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm2; bh=3 o46rmyjZxYf0j8SQ9fR00N5OTqonEHpiBKxI+C27+4=; b=LM/ahdN9hpbJuT+Q/ dn7EntS/cUdh+DFSj/JcKKy/qFpVeMpP0F7NiQ9wi/UPDZo4QptlYLe4V0o5I8dH /1/w8AZchPEoBT1JqlXFMiUuPNu1n5jLhzM8CobuACz4/pR/KWIae5z0PDAHk+QN P4bHuxVNOxO1yXFL+6LHpDBPo7E7gqh6FykgKiTMcCTbkZ0jp1ctmxlRhWbf/kJ2 BJuSHj6zzSBvrTTKqApvZrVyQ1csfXD1JMECXboGuLv3MO6aC3T5iIcACLbatANH nGoQzwCnWNBZ3Ej1ipnk8bDvS6CbCBiRgkXv64YlP4VXQxM9qMKaTF1Wj4deCor8 dh+FA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=3o46rmyjZxYf0j8SQ9fR00N5OTqonEHpiBKxI+C27 +4=; b=7nl9nfN1qSsE6mUc9vjv62rdjd7/civuKDW9BNYsDSLa0hgd/zeio2+st 4iG2ETpRWsPSdmcdOdf/PiQZd+23A3DjBBDYSZMLO5YCi+tz7moxulq7o/g4kazu zIstUH6K2s5VYxadj5JJNJjwNE3OcbNfgZkeGA1qS0fKA+18vQz0+MvG/z3m1l6B 7tmfVwmC45+kyuqRSLKreiTlumjz4NIvVJu10YJGWJSBOJ6Greoo3kpdRU2sW2tJ bGc6I8TaGfYe4d+MS39VVlQp6IPCTqfo9GDQKvtVrSzQU7XWkK0iNXNR/TE2HrX2 0KbFk3hrohJNvXGK6w0fkViw+EQJw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddrudeigddvhecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpegtggfuhfgjfffgkfhfvffosehtqhhmtdhhtddvnecuhfhrohhmpeforghrkhcu pfhothhtihhnghhhrghmuceomhhnohhtsehmnhhothdrnhgvtheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpe hivghtfhdrohhrghdpmhhnohhtrdhnvghtnecukfhppedugeegrddufeeirddujeehrddv keenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepmhhnohhtsehmnhhothdrnhgvthenucevlh hushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from attitudadjuster.mnot.net (unknown [144.136.175.28]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EF56410319; Tue, 9 Apr 2019 19:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: <6709316c-ef68-397d-25c1-8de8af226b27@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:44:52 +1000 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6753C933-6BF0-48EC-BAFF-7CA8D8F9392C@mnot.net> References: <6709316c-ef68-397d-25c1-8de8af226b27@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Future tools call times (was Re: Hello tools-development) X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Apr 2019 23:45:00 -0000 Hi Robert, That's a tough spread. Until I get up to speed and figure out how I can = best help, I don't think it's worth inconveniencing others.=20 It would probably be good if I had a 1:1 with one or more people to get = a better sense of what's going on / what the scope of work is, etc. No = particular rush, though. If it makes sense for me to be on the calls at some later date, the = usual times (early morning AU, midday US, late evening EU) are probably = best. Cheers, > On 10 Apr 2019, at 5:42 am, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > Hi Mark - >=20 > There was a tools team call today - I figure you missed it because it = was at an awful time for where you are on the planet (3am if I did the = math right). >=20 > The primary point of the calls is to go over in-flight and upcoming = activities to help make it less likely that some of us surprise the = rest. Sometimes we make priority adjustments during the calls. >=20 > I think we should discuss the call schedule (but I don't have the = token to change it). We have regular participants in Sweden, Belgium, = and the range of CONUS timezones. =46rom our experience with trying to = schedule IAB calls, I know there's no _good_ time, but is there a time = that has worked better than others? >=20 > RjS >=20 > On 4/8/19 6:48 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: >> Hi everyone, >>=20 >> I've just joined the tools-development team, and hope I can add some = value; I have some background in systems administration and web ops. >>=20 >> I'm just getting up to speed (and would love any pointers to help in = that process!), but one immediate question -- in the RFP that just went = out, the timeline seems unusually tight. Is there a reason for that? >>=20 >> I ask because having such short timelines can severely impact = participation. >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> -- >> Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Wed Apr 10 08:36:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A9E1205DD for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 08:36:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y6O7IMShVR8N for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 08:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x332.google.com (mail-wm1-x332.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::332]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A0FBA1203FA for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 08:36:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x332.google.com with SMTP id 4so3126077wmf.1 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 08:36:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:message-id:date :cc:to; bh=6ye35kaSqvye+UrqLHwwkg5o//id7uZJK0O+uG4gpzg=; b=QT4Z3AH9WRHRacpZK3MkqSttcCgzuTod3iGbe/Edtbdr3syU28dcrSepu91D/SNGwZ mWXOlocOiwEToqUaMjlY5ZGa1sK5pVGvHqXU+qvYlps9XpQc9LkFjfJoDlu4CaqHXDAs kcz1mQrRCQ6z3g5OGr8t4BxbDHLBuw/Y2LUUsn1UCGkols+t0vVTRunNtNV817FCcLeg jvXpDpBmAhNzODMJHELQprelq7ijHZ1QOIU/hhld+blNM5eMUM/YnI5PzvMlBcNTUN0a EXSqJiHueAyRYcDSS17171kqWixiw6V7L5lFGNlY9KeFKt8PGq4PkSC66sBTMT81DbS4 cqnA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:message-id:date:cc:to; bh=6ye35kaSqvye+UrqLHwwkg5o//id7uZJK0O+uG4gpzg=; b=YYN11ol9JAatrY/5SrP739gO4qCT0oVVM3oD4MEEG4Iu4Ie/h+iAOFW/g5d/PjhdDa OilOV9TzJoXt2m0AJrUJFC85+vjau3bRz6xvxUw6H8fYrjqAij4Ou3TDYbMIuLRzXfV/ 4Ycxo/oVU2Pct/RybZHDfH700iwuxIOEX2srGSavMzrP/ztcBP1MptannN4zvqtX4/Sq Via5yyq25+T12r2wzKtUZbzbQhZHStCUPt+WJUzXRgcfjvvAqp5QjRZXCMDmpCy4KbPa nZzJKF6/1tIl0B7wTgZMYxfm8TaktIZebEC3v3QTAs+C+PIHIHfwlafjLVCNjaAUxq3Q 5xBg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAX3QxofpmGOgdsfpHpHL2DC3JPW905kcL00oXpuh4B3MKAdWtg7 ikNhKrMWDHC9AWHvt8i5f3/BNzAL X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwMHHwYymxYdUIbTl0PNemufQiMR3yoX3/W8bPwP4sk5yJCkKljjZDqpli70MARgCTmvNX5Mg== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:cf83:: with SMTP id f125mr3270642wmg.96.1554910606838; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 08:36:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:5a00:ef0b:9171:f5e2:b024:29ff? ([2601:647:5a00:ef0b:9171:f5e2:b024:29ff]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n11sm58859213wrt.63.2019.04.10.08.36.44 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Apr 2019 08:36:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Message-Id: <8E84ECB4-1295-41B3-9F1A-F0F80829AC99@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 08:36:42 -0700 Cc: Bob Hinden , =?utf-8?Q?Ole_Tr=C3=B8an?= To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Agenda and Materials Proposals X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:36:51 -0000 Hi, When Ole and I were preparing for the last 6MAN session, we noted that = it would be easier if the agenda and material page could somehow be = combined. That is, there would be a single page that had the agenda = for the meeting, links to the drafts being discussed, and a link to each = presentation. Something like: Presentation title, , , Author = Name, time-of-talk Presentation title, , , Author = Name, time-of-talk Presentation title, , , Author = Name, time-of-talk As it is now, we upload the agenda (we do it in HTML and have links to = the drafts), and then upload each presentation on the materials page and = then have to sort it to match the agenda. It would be easier if these = two pages could be combined. Probably better for the working group = attendees too. We would appreciate your feedback. Thanks, Bob From nobody Wed Apr 10 09:23:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 840551203BA for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:23:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.679 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.679 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U0uNYMPUrPfI for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 25C9A1200FE for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:23:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x3AGNnM1015954 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Apr 2019 11:23:50 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554913431; bh=bNCJo/cD7zneC2Mbk2BjZBXnMNGDdUYliglUNVD/1ss=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=cB663KPYu2rJQP5M3eIefMSXolt+ULi77kMKh/ezIuhQg2InB5oRVGyR0sn56oVc8 BY6M3uS4WFpfdLq0kb1KDFfK2P1JAjeNgzcca3O2gJ/+JyxQ5BPqW/GapJXOGO+S13 aFecnI4jx5NPxWlD82k3oIsVE0+PgxqaCkZMKkN4= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: Bob Hinden , IETF Tools Development Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Ole_Tr=c3=b8an?= References: <8E84ECB4-1295-41B3-9F1A-F0F80829AC99@gmail.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <25d837ab-b8b6-0456-5923-823289f54454@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 11:23:49 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8E84ECB4-1295-41B3-9F1A-F0F80829AC99@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Agenda and Materials Proposals X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 16:23:55 -0000 Bob - I think you are asking for the datatracker to build the agenda based on the presentations and drafts present? Or are you only asking that the materials page actually _show_ you the agenda if one is uploaded? RjS On 4/10/19 10:36 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: > Hi, > > When Ole and I were preparing for the last 6MAN session, we noted that it would be easier if the agenda and material page could somehow be combined. That is, there would be a single page that had the agenda for the meeting, links to the drafts being discussed, and a link to each presentation. Something like: > > Presentation title, , , Author Name, time-of-talk > Presentation title, , , Author Name, time-of-talk > Presentation title, , , Author Name, time-of-talk > > As it is now, we upload the agenda (we do it in HTML and have links to the drafts), and then upload each presentation on the materials page and then have to sort it to match the agenda. It would be easier if these two pages could be combined. Probably better for the working group attendees too. > > We would appreciate your feedback. > > Thanks, > Bob > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Wed Apr 10 09:32:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EAA1203BB for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:32:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0VEbmRdb8xcR for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wr1-x42c.google.com (mail-wr1-x42c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::42c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 410AD12037D for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wr1-x42c.google.com with SMTP id q1so3777385wrp.0 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:32:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=WZrBnE8X74Ea9w5PVsSPzAPbip8ru8EniAjSopiqYGI=; b=Q888DDcMo5LxerOIBNAwf5f4hZOghLoQM34MnuSSbZFwjQuG/BsVgUMm75zU2fG/k6 LqqPr5VR0kb+ZurUUpxumUxrpxQuRpkX2Dr5tU1XcY7XKelqGp5KHCkp7aSNiKxgRuYm RlCcWK/K3Nsg/OW5zfnw7aJoVuxRWygdCvJZkIx3W/Mp5Md9/TNCQXXTMg/8vZE7r/LR uep6Tu8lE8uX/Q0mN4gq1wNIpMsUJvN7TUwel2217BLIC04Hwcerol5Z31C4nL6hJGKC mpnibIHtYPrlYgtHXeDNZss2ue3jTob1hyyapWvGG3BIf8TbjwIrqozXTCdPtmkIJfXX DdDA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=WZrBnE8X74Ea9w5PVsSPzAPbip8ru8EniAjSopiqYGI=; b=i2QhFL7hHBZRW5x44oe5s0abv1rJv3GaUEXMeyc7r4ygZzpF28sKHfGc1AptUZlsMf jJCzIUi9dNkD9sPifZ7CsExVXq3YnPeWWBTiqUfAV/nnq9lk+HzZDu+QWqatRtjKHDMI PigGiiZDcNqAc7CRkwnoNB5bwkRdiE6ipXT3WKK9mPiCHObn+kWxJ4yubiOYt2dBBLcR iZBEGS/tYEmyo6hwa8JKvcTqxGODqJtLFFz1qX2OhEkRRHytpvAiUHOnm7Oocd//ZmtQ gK3JMKrZUHyeXkeWDNIup708kAFxuXEZXA7/RtmJ1IMeSUPI28g78xNX084RdY1X5nu+ IFag== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVsvqVuuXbOqSBb+VnF4qzzka9BlFFHIe5xtnf6FU+Ix+NLRQZT mu0gi4lThN8rKiiB/OL83m8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzt2QgZfFfBsFWBJzHnnnGhIDXIj2Q3kX5hbCE+AMPZQVeNsBXRJdDIss8+zZGRfaa71f9HAQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:efc1:: with SMTP id i1mr27708576wrp.199.1554913958704; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:647:5a00:ef0b:9171:f5e2:b024:29ff? ([2601:647:5a00:ef0b:9171:f5e2:b024:29ff]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j22sm110721054wrd.91.2019.04.10.09.32.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) From: Bob Hinden In-Reply-To: <25d837ab-b8b6-0456-5923-823289f54454@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 09:32:34 -0700 Cc: Bob Hinden , IETF Tools Development , =?utf-8?Q?Ole_Tr=C3=B8an?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <35666861-A78A-42EA-ABF9-F207225F141E@gmail.com> References: <8E84ECB4-1295-41B3-9F1A-F0F80829AC99@gmail.com> <25d837ab-b8b6-0456-5923-823289f54454@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Agenda and Materials Proposals X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 16:32:43 -0000 Robert, > On Apr 10, 2019, at 9:23 AM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > Bob - >=20 > I think you are asking for the datatracker to build the agenda based = on the presentations and drafts present? >=20 > Or are you only asking that the materials page actually _show_ you the = agenda if one is uploaded? I would like there to be a single page organized as the agenda with = links to the drafts and presentations (by agenda item). There are several ways this could be done, but I was purposely not = suggesting how it be done. Thanks, Bob >=20 > RjS >=20 > On 4/10/19 10:36 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: >> Hi, >>=20 >> When Ole and I were preparing for the last 6MAN session, we noted = that it would be easier if the agenda and material page could somehow be = combined. That is, there would be a single page that had the agenda = for the meeting, links to the drafts being discussed, and a link to each = presentation. Something like: >>=20 >> Presentation title, , , Author = Name, time-of-talk >> Presentation title, , , Author = Name, time-of-talk >> Presentation title, , , Author = Name, time-of-talk >>=20 >> As it is now, we upload the agenda (we do it in HTML and have links = to the drafts), and then upload each presentation on the materials page = and then have to sort it to match the agenda. It would be easier if = these two pages could be combined. Probably better for the working = group attendees too. >>=20 >> We would appreciate your feedback. >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Bob >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Wed Apr 10 13:15:46 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3DB81200C1 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:15:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UQxUvc95KW8f for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61D2A120047 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:15:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x3AKFaQr055180 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:15:37 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554927337; bh=12ju14mx8O+Fx5tu2KhFxR6O8ACKplgKaTsT+gVn+HU=; h=To:Cc:From:Subject:Date; b=qZSbB5d8GRiEcnVuTd6Iv/Ti8YS0sJfbEAYqNGZe2j+944POSZMGPIPn4pk8msfLf y7G8vOHdA51A8h9YhV3wRN8tuH35pfSHx2bS08Rfewl8Lxuq8T3N0+Hqu+Vx80Er/1 lxS3sEIXvsQQBM8Y1O+Utj0p+0Z/tElX/TBd5Bz0= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: IETF Tools Development Cc: Colin Perkins From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:15:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] First draft SoW for IRSG ballots X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 20:15:45 -0000 Tools team and IRTF chair: Please review and edit If you can't use google-docs for any reason, let me know and I'll send you a pdf. RjS From nobody Wed Apr 10 13:38:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5C9512033C for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:38:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.98 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.98 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DUFeRMxJze_o for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AB3E12033B for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 13:38:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x3AKcF2b058805 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:38:16 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554928696; bh=sgja88ntVMZnmnx3hh2OABmFMpxt7hPXTS28EkS31ug=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=S/lqjY9H3An6dfwmpEJMJ0LGuGiRhPR8GpAa8jTj+wNn5ajYoKY9tRzu9WD/vQO1I YboInn9BlCofXmlwor7txM9EC0mfabUJ0QqZH2wnZWaSbMIp93Uwb/lk5jIqdcK4Jw mfWu45Sd53slE52Y8HnZsYWFvqYVuzk8T9DFmebo= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: IETF Tools Development From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 15:38:15 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IETF tools github organizational repository X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 20:38:19 -0000 FYI I have created an ietf-tools github organizational repository (attached to the LLC) and placed the website code in it as the first project. It sits here: https://github.com/ietf-tools RjS From nobody Wed Apr 10 14:18:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED8CD120341 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 14:18:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3WiHsR7aYc4K for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 14:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2F9A3120088 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 14:18:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FF5A300ADA for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 17:00:08 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id DxtougKEeFBm for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 17:00:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [5.5.33.63] (unknown [204.194.23.17]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C56C8300ABF; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 17:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 17:18:22 -0400 Cc: IETF Tools Development , Colin Perkins Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] First draft SoW for IRSG ballots X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 21:18:29 -0000 Looks good. I fixed a small typo, and I added a small Glossary at the = end. I think the Glossary will help a bidder that is not an IETF = participant. Russ > On Apr 10, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > Tools team and IRTF chair: >=20 > Please review and edit = >=20 > If you can't use google-docs for any reason, let me know and I'll send = you a pdf. >=20 > RjS >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Wed Apr 10 19:48:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F9412046F for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 19:48:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=mnot.net header.b=MkMV6J++; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=va3cLpi1 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FLf7HeiBh8cA for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C44C12004C for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 19:48:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6659121385; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 22:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 10 Apr 2019 22:48:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mnot.net; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm2; bh=S zhyYcvz9I+1bKNDb5RKJdjuXIhS6wpdH638bdEsECk=; b=MkMV6J++EMGf+QpS9 taHLZqjjkkCl0bIddlWqFIYzNagHCdO+UYCvz7oI11JA1NFNQaafirJ33i2UR+qY S5owraqOEtF1zm+Q6gdloJiE85/hnZuzrSBTtSaxst5tMiDdlf6Az0+JzkFk7b2Z GqZCWeP6642i9Vw78IP7rFOtmtf0LmqA9e4qPJNg57TnP35WNTA8DNnYOf1k6/jI 2KORwOBW5VF+nE75U9Yy33wdv6gbPNeG+K8SjMfvWEnlnLmtZe4/0lsfreM/BRLd 35PhqBPgds5Krd2ZlojDvkFdGMZaoHFOyPZVkBJpwmUML9P8orI4czsDKnEfLIFb 8h6wA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=SzhyYcvz9I+1bKNDb5RKJdjuXIhS6wpdH638bdEsE Ck=; b=va3cLpi1e7x7oDlJWP9XUC/UEDDBro8Jc0oa8sss2e3ae8k6Cz1gMgtPV A0ntg4FQVZFd3XTMl51duIHF8yVxXlFvH4iw03dOd9PjsN8FiWzhUjnsIDHrHcfo lskyv772lC1A5bVl9lf0Ihm8ygT+6Pfvt2t4f8eDNw9XPEJwck6W2MP17ACp17R2 LLOcmIrb3Ie/gl+jm+2cdPo9e0FXgDGtq4R/vO3eCTaSx68NKnIbaoTRukAeuGuL dxtbU0FowYYb7lBcynalEc8veRy1lAcBsP/G0a+OdqvXMZgTr3elw3UdQogyh8yl lQ+XKgrtSQQPHEljlgfcMDBx8HUzw== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddrudekgdehjecutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenog fuuhhsphgvtghtffhomhgrihhnucdlgeelmdenucfjughrpegtggfuhfgjfffgkfhfvffo sehtqhhmtdhhtddvnecuhfhrohhmpeforghrkhcupfhothhtihhnghhhrghmuceomhhnoh htsehmnhhothdrnhgvtheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgohhoghhlvgdrtghomhdpihgvthhf rdhorhhgpdhmnhhothdrnhgvthenucfkphepudeggedrudefiedrudejhedrvdeknecurf grrhgrmhepmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpehmnhhothesmhhnohhtrdhnvghtnecuvehluhhsthgv rhfuihiivgeptd X-ME-Proxy: Received: from attitudadjuster.mnot.net (unknown [144.136.175.28]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 67A5610310; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 22:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:48:47 +1000 Cc: Robert Sparks , IETF Tools Development , Colin Perkins Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1CA1EF67-CCB3-44D8-8777-C2DBA69313C1@mnot.net> References: To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] First draft SoW for IRSG ballots X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 02:48:57 -0000 Likewise, I left a note in the doc; it would be good to give links to = the appropriate bits of source, so a bidder unfamiliar with the tools = can get context. Cheers, > On 11 Apr 2019, at 7:18 am, Russ Housley wrote: >=20 > Looks good. I fixed a small typo, and I added a small Glossary at the = end. I think the Glossary will help a bidder that is not an IETF = participant. >=20 > Russ >=20 >> On Apr 10, 2019, at 4:15 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >>=20 >> Tools team and IRTF chair: >>=20 >> Please review and edit = >>=20 >> If you can't use google-docs for any reason, let me know and I'll = send you a pdf. >>=20 >> RjS >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Wed Apr 10 19:56:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A4E120480 for ; Wed, 10 Apr 2019 19:56:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Wed, 10 Apr 2019 22:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: Mark Nottingham In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:56:39 +1000 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <056F7500-BF87-47FE-87E1-69F005B10772@mnot.net> References: To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IETF tools github organizational repository X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 02:56:49 -0000 Hi Robert, That's great! I took a quick look through the mail archive, but didn't see any context = for this. Is the intent to eventually get all of the tools here? Moved, = or mirrored? Will we be able to take pull requests? One thing that would be super-helpful is a brief summary of the scope = and structure of the repo (and mappings to Web locations, where = appropriate) in README.md. E.g., because this included `datatracker`, I = was expecting to find the ballot classes discussed in the SoW for the = IRSG here, but a search came up empty. Happy to help where and how I can. Cheers, > On 11 Apr 2019, at 6:38 am, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > FYI >=20 > I have created an ietf-tools github organizational repository = (attached to the LLC) and placed the website code in it as the first = project. >=20 > It sits here: >=20 > https://github.com/ietf-tools >=20 > RjS >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development -- Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ From nobody Thu Apr 11 04:29:59 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93671120644 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 04:29:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cert.org Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZQdS9f0yfjZl for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 04:29:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from taper.sei.cmu.edu (taper.sei.cmu.edu [147.72.252.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF66E1204FC for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 04:29:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from delp.sei.cmu.edu (delp.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.21.31]) by taper.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id x3BBTmqR020819; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 07:29:48 -0400 DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 taper.sei.cmu.edu x3BBTmqR020819 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cert.org; s=yc2bmwvrj62m; t=1554982188; bh=kHpOXUPv5NLdqou8Lzlp27hOtWr937hepl8vamg3jh0=; h=From:To:CC:Subject:Date:From; b=ki4RaLD85SKohb3xh4C/n/+P9cXGOX/OQCO7f4FPQP1IyQ2CXZOCG7jAkivwaFmv7 y2ZBJqvc+v2FSnMNmBtNF6GynYQsbLU1jdFkxamZMPZZfSuaxAVsi6NZDEfz5J9fDB rfrTgIze32VP4YucJqOgxz4Q1qhI/4CvPnZF90p0= Received: from CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu (cassina.ad.sei.cmu.edu [10.64.28.249]) by delp.sei.cmu.edu (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id x3BBTiau019698; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 07:29:44 -0400 Received: from MARCHAND.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.251]) by CASSINA.ad.sei.cmu.edu ([10.64.28.249]) with mapi id 14.03.0435.000; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 07:29:44 -0400 From: Roman Danyliw To: IETF Tools Development Thread-Topic: Getting a list of recently adopted document Thread-Index: AdTv+exbqVZk8X+lSBOvVuGeujdpPQ== Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:29:42 +0000 Message-ID: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC01B33272D6@marchand> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.64.22.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Getting a list of recently adopted document X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 11:29:59 -0000 Hi Tools Team! I'm helping Greg Wood launch an "IETF Notifications of Emerging Work" proje= ct. The thinking is we'd like to have a way to easily summarize new work t= he IETF is starting. To make this tractable, "new work" has been defined a= s all of the drafts that have been recently adopted per a given look-back p= eriod by a WG (i.e., draft-ietf--*-00). The channels in which this would be summarized/announced is yet to be deter= mined, but the raw data required per -00 draft is the draft name, WG, title= , and abstract. Doing this manually wouldn't be feasible, so we were looking for assistance= with automation. How far off is such a regular report from something that= already exists? Roman From nobody Thu Apr 11 05:16:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DA611201B1 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 05:16:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aLgJbJ7x-cLi for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 05:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from haggis.mythic-beasts.com (haggis.mythic-beasts.com [IPv6:2a00:1098:0:86:1000:0:2:1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9073B120048 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 05:16:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [81.187.2.149] (port=48130 helo=[192.168.0.79]) by haggis.mythic-beasts.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1hEYcx-0001eX-Lu; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:16:23 +0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Colin Perkins In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:16:20 +0100 Cc: IETF Tools Development , Allison Mankin Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <44D128F5-EC94-497F-9113-DFCDF3639414@csperkins.org> References: To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) X-BlackCat-Spam-Score: 4 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] First draft SoW for IRSG ballots X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:16:27 -0000 Looks good to me. I=E2=80=99ve cc=E2=80=99d Allison in case she has = input based on her experience over the last couple of years. Colin > On 10 Apr 2019, at 21:15, Robert Sparks wrote: >=20 > Tools team and IRTF chair: >=20 > Please review and edit = >=20 > If you can't use google-docs for any reason, let me know and I'll send = you a pdf. >=20 > RjS --=20 Colin Perkins https://csperkins.org/ From nobody Thu Apr 11 06:42:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2DB11202D3 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 06:42:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0XScYkKGvXkJ for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 06:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E10591202D1 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 06:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x3BDgblP024768 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:42:38 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554990158; bh=4Ajim5Z52jw0LeaZJXWAefxzJA9+orx36gi3wJ5mLGc=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=U+T28nt2vEkePr7rNO4KzaJhCylWRgAZJx6LmYphJzlfRyoeGRM6u6kgEK6WTjY1k Kbb1Zv3LnMa/8URhhMZ8UDI8LARK+XgPeAKSqaAHVxvfAGhb2iaJditqg/YaDyFox0 VXXA3JpqsHj5Li51EISOD7ddbXOhHO4wBb2Do4bY= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC01B33272D6@marchand> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <64836652-8818-3aed-e807-f20c92e85e83@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:42:35 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC01B33272D6@marchand> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Getting a list of recently adopted document X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:42:42 -0000 It would not be hard to build, and Spencer gave us very early warning on the idea, so it's mostly thought through already. But we need to be sure we build what's really wanted, and advertise it correctly. As stated, you want this list to be only _IETF_ WG adoptions, correct? We would not include IRTF RG adoptions (or IAB or any other stream), correct? RjS On 4/11/19 6:29 AM, Roman Danyliw wrote: > Hi Tools Team! > > I'm helping Greg Wood launch an "IETF Notifications of Emerging Work" project. The thinking is we'd like to have a way to easily summarize new work the IETF is starting. To make this tractable, "new work" has been defined as all of the drafts that have been recently adopted per a given look-back period by a WG (i.e., draft-ietf--*-00). > > The channels in which this would be summarized/announced is yet to be determined, but the raw data required per -00 draft is the draft name, WG, title, and abstract. > > Doing this manually wouldn't be feasible, so we were looking for assistance with automation. How far off is such a regular report from something that already exists? > > Roman > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Apr 11 06:45:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460A51202DF for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 06:45:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id slW8ohzC0Fvq for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 06:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7A5ED1202D8 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 06:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x3BDjoIW025351 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:45:51 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554990352; bh=Em78dS6udsT/3e/hK1+KIkeqcUPPRQrz2nRbX3YOPmg=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=QQG3UURi1x88n9QCsQgtd/955GqdZvDh4N/izpPZuZgKY1LR60gnEJ04lmF/55yGf Zm1fnFJzk0oQSHZmIcAjQYE6T2yqrF4/wiTtDvdFRqtnmeXBiMefdL5TF1UL8sa24X 0jLa/kXX8khtkpMbfjV3YIiO/MeLqWA6IJzhKonY= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: Mark Nottingham Cc: IETF Tools Development References: <056F7500-BF87-47FE-87E1-69F005B10772@mnot.net> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <3c70b990-677d-6e51-709f-db0ebbdc85fb@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:45:48 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <056F7500-BF87-47FE-87E1-69F005B10772@mnot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IETF tools github organizational repository X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:45:54 -0000 On 4/10/19 9:56 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Hi Robert, > > That's great! > > I took a quick look through the mail archive, but didn't see any context for this. Is the intent to eventually get all of the tools here? Moved, or mirrored? Will we be able to take pull requests? The step we are taking now is to host projects that started in git in github. We do not plan to move the datatracker, or other projects already started in svn, to github. There have been discussions of mirroring, but they have not been prioritized. > > One thing that would be super-helpful is a brief summary of the scope and structure of the repo (and mappings to Web locations, where appropriate) in README.md. E.g., because this included `datatracker`, I was expecting to find the ballot classes discussed in the SoW for the IRSG here, but a search came up empty. > > Happy to help where and how I can. > > Cheers, > > > >> On 11 Apr 2019, at 6:38 am, Robert Sparks wrote: >> >> FYI >> >> I have created an ietf-tools github organizational repository (attached to the LLC) and placed the website code in it as the first project. >> >> It sits here: >> >> https://github.com/ietf-tools >> >> RjS >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > From nobody Thu Apr 11 06:49:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66F1812030C for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 06:49:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CRfs-PNdDiR6 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 06:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 126CD120368 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 06:49:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x3BDnJS6025897 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:49:20 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1554990560; bh=Fu1IxooXE0gqnUdh7h1pu2UgereZ3JhN6E9yc92on8g=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=d8yL6nsdbabFKu9zTypC+np1DAEfXseTj7RIlRarTSBklOzYWjQopLEECgBKgafOu vFfw4C5SPpf9xyi2xzqF5Pj+SX3COQWVgrorqMfbtRrpa6DQRyXnhg8CTvj6gFNTkk m6w5EXbIMJVIT/qnPvWFA/GB8V1LmxRZ0nzVBaWg= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: Mark Nottingham Cc: IETF Tools Development References: <056F7500-BF87-47FE-87E1-69F005B10772@mnot.net> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 08:49:17 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <056F7500-BF87-47FE-87E1-69F005B10772@mnot.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] IETF tools github organizational repository X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:49:26 -0000 Btw - I will work the location of the datatracker source into the IRSG ballot SoW, but so I don't leave you waiting for an edit, you can find it at The various DocEvent classes mentioned are here: RjS On 4/10/19 9:56 PM, Mark Nottingham wrote: > Hi Robert, > > That's great! > > I took a quick look through the mail archive, but didn't see any context for this. Is the intent to eventually get all of the tools here? Moved, or mirrored? Will we be able to take pull requests? > > One thing that would be super-helpful is a brief summary of the scope and structure of the repo (and mappings to Web locations, where appropriate) in README.md. E.g., because this included `datatracker`, I was expecting to find the ballot classes discussed in the SoW for the IRSG here, but a search came up empty. > > Happy to help where and how I can. > > Cheers, > > > >> On 11 Apr 2019, at 6:38 am, Robert Sparks wrote: >> >> FYI >> >> I have created an ietf-tools github organizational repository (attached to the LLC) and placed the website code in it as the first project. >> >> It sits here: >> >> https://github.com/ietf-tools >> >> RjS >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > -- > Mark Nottingham https://www.mnot.net/ > From nobody Fri Apr 12 14:16:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90D9B1200EC for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 14:16:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p2CX9RblRaaG for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7DF8412009A for ; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 14:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FD271C1E55; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 14:16:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wrI0Aov97pLU; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 14:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:647:4200:85ab:4528:455a:315:b407] (unknown [IPv6:2601:647:4200:85ab:4528:455a:315:b407]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6143E1C1888; Fri, 12 Apr 2019 14:16:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexa Morris Message-Id: <7320BDB6-1FD7-449D-83EE-A19966FB14EF@amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_69235152-F851-4D41-BCE6-FC97F4957CAC" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 14:16:14 -0700 In-Reply-To: <576f3104-9936-7fb1-127b-c59e960fcc51@nostrum.com> Cc: Robert Sparks , IETF Tools Development To: Adam Roach References: <9D205B0A-7A1B-4E63-B0E3-D597B966D254@bangj.com> <6199636f-1ddc-6ae3-9907-53ad5ecf7bf5@nostrum.com> <74fb0dba-d1a1-ab1c-686e-56f2502a0a39@nostrum.com> <576f3104-9936-7fb1-127b-c59e960fcc51@nostrum.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Meetecho Thoughts X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 21:16:36 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_69235152-F851-4D41-BCE6-FC97F4957CAC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Just to provide an update here, Robert and I are going to have a call = with Tom and the Meetecho team in a couple of weeks, with the goal of = better understanding what changes would be involved from the Meetecho = side. We will report back on what we learn. Alexa > On Apr 2, 2019, at 2:21 PM, Adam Roach wrote: >=20 > I suspect it's mostly a matter of asking the MeetEcho folks for = pointers to their formats. For example, the Jabber transcripts can be = seen in an easy-to-use JSON format here: >=20 > = https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/session/IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120 = = >=20 > And the timestamped transcript is here: >=20 > = https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/resources/IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120= = >=20 > /a >=20 >=20 > On 4/2/19 4:03 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >> Yes, but Tom's looking for something using an open format that he can = integrate into things like his app. >> On 4/2/19 4:01 PM, Adam Roach wrote: >>> FWIW, Meetecho already produces a playback application that gets you = several of the features that Tom has described. See, e.g.: >>>=20 >>> = https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=3DIETF104-DOH-20190326-112= 0 = >>>=20 >>> You can find these on the IETF HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" = meetecho button. >>>=20 >>> /a >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>>> Tools team: >>>>=20 >>>> Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the = IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos and = what we might strive for that's better. >>>>=20 >>>> Do any of you know people who could help us do better than we are = currently? >>>> Should we ask Meetecho what they think they could do to get closer = to what Tom describes? >>>> RjS >>>>=20 >>>> -------- Forwarded Message -------- >>>> Subject: Re: Meetecho Thoughts >>>> Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400 >>>> From: Tom Pusateri = >>>> To: Robert Sparks = >>>>=20 >>>> Certainly. The more awareness the better. >>>>=20 >>>> Tom >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Apr 2, 2019, at 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> Got it. >>>>>=20 >>>>> May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to = Russ)? >>>>>=20 >>>>> RjS >>>>>=20 >>>>> On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>>> Robert, >>>>>> I probably shouldn=E2=80=99t have mentioned SMIL because that=E2=80= =99s a solution not a problem. I=E2=80=99m not trying to dictate a = solution, only an open format that we can experiment with the streams to = combine them in more useful ways. I=E2=80=99ve parsed the jabber logs in = the past and that=E2=80=99s doable but there=E2=80=99s very little = information in them anymore. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking = at the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and = have a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current mode = which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user experience. = Youtube videos don=E2=80=99t play well with mobile data plans when = mostly what you want is audio and synchronized slides. >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Tom >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On Apr 1, 2019, at 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Hi Tom - >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and = capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive = (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the tools = team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is quite large. >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> RjS >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote: >>>>>>>> Robert, >>>>>>>> I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick = meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from Meetecho be = more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per session. They = suggested I talk with you first to see how my goals align with the = datatracker futures. Can we talk some time about this? >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I = would like to do something better and think if we could get separate = output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, we might be able = to experiment a bit. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, = remote participation meetings, etc. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Audio >>>>>>>> Slides >>>>>>>> Video >>>>>>>> Jabber comments >>>>>>>> Events >>>>>>>> =E2=80=A2 Each speaker at the front of the room >>>>>>>> =E2=80=A2 Each person coming to the microphone in the audience >>>>>>>> =E2=80=A2 Slide changes >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> = https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multimedia_Integration_Language= = >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media = and events. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Examples: >>>>>>>> Audio only for low bandwidth consumption >>>>>>>> Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4) >>>>>>>> Overlay jabber messages synchronized >>>>>>>> Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough = for best user experience in app integration >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development = >>>=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --Apple-Mail=_69235152-F851-4D41-BCE6-FC97F4957CAC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Just to provide an update here, Robert and I are going to = have a call with Tom and the Meetecho team in a couple of weeks, with = the goal of better understanding what changes would be involved from the = Meetecho side. We will report back on what we learn.

Alexa

On Apr = 2, 2019, at 2:21 PM, Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> wrote:

=20 =20
I suspect it's mostly a matter of asking the MeetEcho folks for pointers to their formats. For example, the Jabber transcripts can be seen in an easy-to-use JSON format here:

https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/session/IETF104-DOH-2019032= 6-1120

And the timestamped transcript is = here:

https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/resources/IETF104-DOH-201= 90326-1120

/a


On 4/2/19 4:03 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote:

Yes, but Tom's looking for = something using an open format that he can integrate into things like his app.

On 4/2/19 4:01 PM, Adam Roach = wrote:
FWIW, Meetecho already produces a playback application that gets you several of the features that Tom has described. See, e.g.:

https://play.conf.meetecho.com/Playout/?session=3D= IETF104-DOH-20190326-1120

You can find these on the IETF = HTML Agenda by clicking on the "M" meetecho button.

/a


On 4/2/19 12:50 PM, Robert Sparks wrote:

Tools team:

Below is a short conversation with Tom Pusateri (the creator of the IETFers iOS app) about the usability of the current youtube videos and what we might strive for that's better.

Do any of you know people who could = help us do better than we are currently?

Should we ask Meetecho what they think they = could do to get closer to what Tom describes?

RjS

-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: Re: Meetecho Thoughts
Date: Tue, 2 Apr 2019 12:02:41 -0400
From: Tom Pusateri <pusateri@bangj.com>
To: Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com>


Certainly. The more awareness the better.

Tom


On Apr 2, 2019, at = 11:22 AM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Got it.

May I forward the thread so far to the tools team (or at least to Russ)?

RjS

On 4/1/19 4:23 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
Robert,
I probably shouldn=E2=80=99t have mentioned SMIL because = that=E2=80=99s a solution not a problem. I=E2=80=99m not trying to = dictate a solution, only an open format that we can experiment with the streams to combine them in more useful ways. I=E2=80=99ve parsed the jabber logs in the past and = that=E2=80=99s doable but there=E2=80=99s very little information in = them anymore.

I think the slide change info can be done in real time by looking at the video (that will take some code) or using a custom presenter.

My purpose is mainly to try to get people thinking in a way and have a goal to shoot for instead of just continuing in the current mode which is difficult to integrate and is not a great user experience. Youtube videos don=E2=80=99t play well with mobile data plans = when mostly what you want is audio and synchronized = slides.

Thanks,
Tom


On Apr 1, 2019, at = 4:50 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Hi Tom -

If memory serves, SMIL is still quite difficult to create, and capturing the events you detail below will be labor intensive (particularly the speaker switches). I can bring this up with the tools team, but unless I'm mis-remembering, your ask here is quite large.

RjS

On 4/1/19 2:14 PM, Tom Pusateri wrote:
Robert,
I sent this summary below to Portia and Alexa based on a quick meeting in Prague. I would like to see the deliverables from Meetecho be more open than a youtube video and an mp3 file per session. They suggested I talk with you first to see how my goals align with the datatracker futures. Can we talk some time about this?

I find the youtube replays to be a poor user experience and I would like to do something better and think if we could get separate output streams synced together with SMIL descriptions, we might be able to experiment a bit.

Thanks,
Tom


IETF produces lots of media at main meetings, side meetings, remote participation meetings, etc.

Audio
Slides
Video
Jabber comments
Events
=E2=80=A2 Each speaker at the front of the room
=E2=80=A2 Each person coming to the microphone in = the audience
=E2=80=A2 Slide changes

All media for a single session can be brought together in SMIL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronized_Multim= edia_Integration_Language

Then, many outputs can be generated from combinations of media and events.

Examples:
Audio only for low bandwidth consumption
Combination audio/slides with automatic slide changes (mp4)
Overlay jabber messages synchronized
Overlay Speaker identification with profile pics

One size fits all Youtube output format is not flexible enough for best user experience in app integration


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On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 12:31 Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
Allison:

Are you going to have a few minutes to review this document?=C2=A0 If so, w= ould value your thoughts.=C2=A0 If not, we will proceed.

Russ


> On Apr 11, 2019, at 8:16 AM, Colin Perkins <csp@csperkins.org> wrote:
>
> Looks good to me. I=E2=80=99ve cc=E2=80=99d Allison in case she has in= put based on her experience over the last couple of years.
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> Colin
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>> On 10 Apr 2019, at 21:15, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:
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>> Tools team and IRTF chair:
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>>
>> If you can't use google-docs for any reason, let me know and I= 'll send you a pdf.
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RFC Services Projects - Support for the v3 schema was enabled for I-D submission during IETF 104. The IESG needs to make a policy decision about when I-Ds in this new format can be submitted to the IESG for publication on the IETF stream. - The RFC Production Center is testing the tools related to the new format. - The Tools Team is working on a Statement of Work for the security review of tools used by the RFC Production Center. The tools used for the new format will be reviewed since the ones related to the old format are about to be put in mothballs. - Bids for tools for rendering errata in a more useful way were received last week, and they are being evaluated right now. We expect a contract to be negotiated in May 2019, and then work to begin the same month. 4. Server Infrastructure - The custom DMARC-handling software was deployed for all mail lists in June 2018, but there is a desire to move away from the custom software to ARC. The ARC software cannot be configured to handle just a few of our mail lists. Requirements were provided to the ARC developers, but so far, they have not offered a release date. Alexey continues to try to get a response from the ARC developers, but so far we are only getting silence. This has not changed in many months; maybe we will be using our custom code forever. 5. YANG Catalog - Operation of the yangcatalog.org was to transferred to the IETF Secretariat. A few significant things to highlight: -- A YANG Catalog support contractor is under contract. -- The yangcatalog.org service is running on different hardware than ietf.org. It will be "in the cloud." This will allow the Tools Team to determine whether this is a useful management model for other IETF-related services. - The registration for yangcatalog.com has been transferred to the IETF Trust. From nobody Mon Apr 29 11:09:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 744941205F5; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:09:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8w6_QJpgU3f4; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:09:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 91FF5120619; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:09:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1556561384; bh=zRUtG4owguLgnZZksiQK3koCOzxoIePjU4Nz8929QMo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=DEAZnv2fAkKZSSCrJTGdGEX0UD3PkbXD8mTdjFLjQoqR/rjoOBRPX0CdX9YMrwcCV V9PXXrZ8Uz+SfFe4EtlTWpRSeZ/TD/or5fJ0BX71i6+I9ZAZPBMjoo63GDa5Q97P7v LQ2C0J8SpZlgEFeqVb7TKAQvJKpL5UBMNWCwHwnY= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([91.61.48.240]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mw9UK-1gTTbg3CB2-00s38d; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 20:09:44 +0200 To: Russ Housley , IETF Chair Cc: IESG , IETF Tools Development References: From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <4d3fe84f-bfe2-d961-4bd2-09451304c9b2@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 20:09:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:bwv1y6fwIZaF46rcEZRd+U+eyqatL3HdbkC1Xn3Cke/n+sqHHBX OT6m8WQvEcXHqy5OjHmqMjTYv+Lzl1n6wY+LNeNDb70yVAm443sc26H7s+YHox8a2AB+Z1I htB9TRYmRFd1mhGu9o9qgxx+ckIaKQDGVEItGcFInWvtFgjsqphRaF+SQgiDj3i/s9f1tcg +iXNyT7bAlp0oIJ3RP7bw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:46zcjTZ/Cbc=:nw8KH0x4k1QfA6Xe7u9na6 uI+k7Tx1edOTkBFZ+0e4bxvMyHbIvOv8+4fOzU4BennBkLOsSP+TERk4DfTDgMdr6Ev8fXgQU UwnonItcMj5YAxGasGvChPgrTIzBMqL1BAulch7F7dorrxQnc8A8x1GWd5gEv7rUaAN/eGj8U 2fhCcXRejm4Dp17/TfHC8BTOCi84WlGUs5zsT/OQNf77NyZE/fRqidH1kvFpGAtAoYCX7v3HR xx1UZtPIJaFpwzyy/tO/k9xycL2Ziu30/lWhslNcNjgFuIFhKzgc8rJuEw055BSwh1KJa9yH7 9Qxl+/gPiETtE6IW/IT5OCq66raNP0O89PEp9SP7AfRaKVzcLiktVJy6B417QIx95fVz1n39u fQXvWgqM2oC/De6u01VDHEnQRrKCaq4LOf89U8umgsRMFj9Iww23DRESIjvxS3WBWvVwdUTru 7cFCo6Zf2KSte7Uw5yp4aec9GZ0mv7AQwyX3fHP+c2KOU78O6+6pjAtKZ4S9j2fmRWR7E/Eue ZW1MnLgQoLfnfEU8i7WutSMDzs12h9fLOwtzqu/0gSYDaTGBIL98UE+rX3+G6utafLl+Rg+rf NjSfk5/cxkgiuXWPUjyyLcLkKDvFVY5LsQCsD5bE4KL6FDoHhM1F/SMEE+a+j5dwkaYtLq+yc tYp/TxxNOmLxts7yl0tYZC7TpPx/1fFwC45AYRZavhPhkhSV6UG/oJGuaswuU7Osfc29Mal2F bzRtAf9eMQ9a4V1OleugzuyVp8MSnk0R1sE+iic7U/NoyM0Ls4UtXbeM8+nITLIuzllgxTRqZ F0fx1wL3Iijn83tILIfGWelpGka/R7F079S+5W80GAZkyMdqS0DHkmO81uhb+P8Uvsdq3wPYU YuVnQZsPSe1IRstd+TTuur4zXtPb33ep8X3b9TacygfTSNylbUOFwA6vqZYNGBrQ+ZcXZeDfX 190S8Te/KLw== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Team Report -- 29 April 2019 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 18:09:54 -0000 On 29.04.2019 19:32, Russ Housley wrote: > ... > 3. RFC Services Projects > - Support for the v3 schema was enabled for I-D submission during > IETF 104. The IESG needs to make a policy decision about when I-D= s > in this new format can be submitted to the IESG for publication on > the IETF stream. > ... Sorry for being pedantic, but we currently have *three* different things that can be called v3: - the format defined in RFC 7991 - the format defined in RFC 7991bis (abandoned for now) - what happens to be accepted by xml2rfc (which has implementation notes, but no proper specification) Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon Apr 29 11:27:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84A0A12064F for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:27:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OuC0eJB0qJF0 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45DCD120645 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 11:27:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BE63300AE2 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:09:09 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id AFT68Ljp-yL0 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7BA5A3004C7; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <4d3fe84f-bfe2-d961-4bd2-09451304c9b2@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 14:27:24 -0400 Cc: IETF Chair , IESG , IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <668B1A33-4662-44BC-97D0-D12718CBE815@vigilsec.com> References: <4d3fe84f-bfe2-d961-4bd2-09451304c9b2@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Team Report -- 29 April 2019 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 18:27:30 -0000 > On Apr 29, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 29.04.2019 19:32, Russ Housley wrote: >> ... >> 3. RFC Services Projects >> - Support for the v3 schema was enabled for I-D submission during >> IETF 104. The IESG needs to make a policy decision about when = I-Ds >> in this new format can be submitted to the IESG for publication = on >> the IETF stream. > > ... >=20 > Sorry for being pedantic, but we currently have *three* different = things > that can be called v3: >=20 > - the format defined in RFC 7991 > - the format defined in RFC 7991bis (abandoned for now) > - what happens to be accepted by xml2rfc (which has implementation > notes, but no proper specification) Julian: Authors can currently use the implementation of xml2rfc to submit an = I-D. The question is at what point will the IESG be comfortable with = that format for an approved I-D. I assume that significant discussion = between the RFC Editor and the IESG will be needed to answer that = question. And, if there are actions that need to be taken before that = point, tehy need to be identified so we can find the resources to make = them happen. Russ From nobody Mon Apr 29 12:30:08 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 030431206D2; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:30:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O07vn_9yD3Co; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:29:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C5DC71206C5; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:29:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1556566189; bh=Memsv0p1MY9C41fgf/Ih4oSdmipJm6tQLRxGKIVpJQw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=PcjWkyX3ZAvUUnT2GupVBoWOnaepED0k6wd7uI2ytUCn9n9DwbOwUES6+c/cHZ9JU WpVdiZ/zWtFUAMhVBGkqLv+phKalasidkGdOK8ByZaKOqPxw+pKC+W0EIPeq0qwP72 3tIuRyDqgxMHJP3u9sgGv6xmV6onv4Oh3MK1Vu7s= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([91.61.48.240]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx101 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MEKZg-1hacIm3XNw-00FS7v; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 21:29:49 +0200 To: Russ Housley Cc: IETF Chair , IESG , IETF Tools Development References: <4d3fe84f-bfe2-d961-4bd2-09451304c9b2@gmx.de> <668B1A33-4662-44BC-97D0-D12718CBE815@vigilsec.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <12975349-5822-30e7-806f-d4c8da8fbe73@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 21:29:42 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <668B1A33-4662-44BC-97D0-D12718CBE815@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:btCgP+gv8SKmmBLQJhXC5bUaUAafXz92rr0DFnMy7yrfqo5CH3o QDsIEdVPEi4oDdzekmYXVZGpAXj98RQToCOLfQjE2gHBxtYhekcKvB5AcPTplYVz1XlIhP0 UL4uOSVkNT/69/l+++KbtNePex3MIrD6yQS8LIzaN2jp/DsfIZHYze/UggAL4c6pGUuuDsi RSgEY1nq8us6NMWKegs5g== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ejo8E4VZL+w=:RaTaN1nTRYHN4W3k6TWJ27 tpIvGdayQqKOiTLn6yNf+3+SK9GMjsupfmo5vCq8lozLbtCRd1cIc1d+EVg1ByBHN21AslOvF 5pi+0ZUC7DWvGTVFco+UIS1TtvALyWKkI0965TSGEWV5t1Qjee5upft/uAl9fLpONWGxPhCnE nACdJeXxYy4Yqj7crpf7UbB39qXL/Y9D1bVZL9nt+EaMv+FFd84aUKc9QLtV4gzXcduYhk5Pn /ofM9IC9yfOKjVt3EdgoJBRRhI7arpPJBcKO20ieMjzF/AnYEd5BWtrCtHWeyIst9QK1h0u5L C3FJ2/w5/ICDUYXc2YWH26nyCIsFqLIszB4hQCSFq505NpgzLbCLdjTfyTrTNOpnNh0gioDex icUtKiAFL9jzMoDTNGCO0cG+0Clpr7ydOTU2owY4eY/MGbcs8ewoi6GXDqPtNOdwOEtW0362m MDI+cqD+xLS4Hzrxefr129gXpbqroDhJMBP4hxmwc0HS6PDjhtwy1d/nlEoiWvI3NR4pwSjan Kfh9ga/cXCMhp0zoeVUoQu9t+L6LTx87kBYCQMx16Tj0OZZZWXO2Xses8uAUd6708Inoyl5Vq ll1geGpo4E5ifayxkLfZYgjBqhOnA0juWcuR5Y+obvrrSZmv2zKM9Vp2USXxNtaJzZuWd4NiV 5vNLHHRSwprONOxlszJEC6GB1Sa8XLf0z+tBGri8QzkzpJXUFXSuHGbsC72QORHBmZe+QpxC4 GknhVAIMFTqhP8o7Qs1Q0EPhzUrUgAjzz4rlOdv39q/8PiGToMGl1QWd+DBcb/eE+GD/W3XbN CT9TpPCTfZjs+OeeleKxEYE896DV/Un+X+G4QO1cNevTzY/wrs8vkU2/NrpbAmcZ5WM71h3US HW8L1pN7fxFJ09OfHwEzi8+7iIeRe1+oSztJOIAdmyYT+3xqMfT0s3XkcwISTRCvrz2QHRMVw mMbaQkTBTaA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Team Report -- 29 April 2019 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 19:30:00 -0000 On 29.04.2019 20:27, Russ Housley wrote: > ... > Julian: > > Authors can currently use the implementation of xml2rfc to submit an I-D= . The question is at what point will the IESG be comfortable with that fo= rmat for an approved I-D. I assume that significant discussion between th= e RFC Editor and the IESG will be needed to answer that question. And, if= there are actions that need to be taken before that point, tehy need to b= e identified so we can find the resources to make them happen. > ... At some point, we need updated versions of RFC 7991 (and related docs) that actually describe precisely what the RFC format *is*. To get there, we should review what's different right now, discuss that, and decide how to resolve the differences. In some cases, it will likely mean to agree on the proposed change implemented in xml2rfc (and properly document it); but in some other cases I'd expect more discussion. Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon Apr 29 12:58:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB62120751 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:58:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i9bW8fZaszIl for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB12E120749 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 12:58:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A72E6300AE9 for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:39:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id UgQz465L0OmA for ; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E3969300400; Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <12975349-5822-30e7-806f-d4c8da8fbe73@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:58:04 -0400 Cc: IETF Chair , IESG , IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <4d3fe84f-bfe2-d961-4bd2-09451304c9b2@gmx.de> <668B1A33-4662-44BC-97D0-D12718CBE815@vigilsec.com> <12975349-5822-30e7-806f-d4c8da8fbe73@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Team Report -- 29 April 2019 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Apr 2019 19:58:22 -0000 > On Apr 29, 2019, at 3:29 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 29.04.2019 20:27, Russ Housley wrote: >> ... >> Julian: >>=20 >> Authors can currently use the implementation of xml2rfc to submit an = I-D. The question is at what point will the IESG be comfortable with = that format for an approved I-D. I assume that significant discussion = between the RFC Editor and the IESG will be needed to answer that = question. And, if there are actions that need to be taken before that = point, tehy need to be identified so we can find the resources to make = them happen. >> ... >=20 > At some point, we need updated versions of RFC 7991 (and related docs) > that actually describe precisely what the RFC format *is*. To get = there, > we should review what's different right now, discuss that, and decide > how to resolve the differences. In some cases, it will likely mean to > agree on the proposed change implemented in xml2rfc (and properly > document it); but in some other cases I'd expect more discussion. Yes, I agree, but I do not believe that the tools team has the lead on = that discussion. Once the discussion comes to a close, if any changes = are needed to xml2rfc, then the ball comes back to the tools team. Russ From nobody Tue Apr 30 09:11:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FDA61201F8 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 09:11:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S0LQuo-6yGoc for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 26A84120193 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225FB300ABE for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:53:15 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id AayxQx79MpgM for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0D8223004E7 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:53:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 12:11:31 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 9 April 2019 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:11:35 -0000 Tools Call Agenda -- 9 April 2019 at 1:00 Eastern JOIN WEBEX MEETING https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools JOIN BY PHONE 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools 1. 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AOB From nobody Tue Apr 30 11:08:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4AC51201B0 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:08:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8_TtSOMHpaTK for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A18812008D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:08:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C6683001F1 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:50:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id KztPI1Xlo0zj for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E394B300AB9 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:50:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:08:32 -0400 References: To: IETF Tools Development In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <19CE7620-3D62-4DD0-8FEB-09F2539B1AC5@vigilsec.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 7 May 2019 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:08:38 -0000 Arrgh. Sorry. Yes, the call is a week from today ... Russ > On Apr 30, 2019, at 12:33 PM, Bob Hinden wrote: > > s/April 9/May 7/ > > Bob > > >> On Apr 30, 2019, at 9:11 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >> >> Tools Call Agenda -- 9 April 2019 at 1:00 Eastern >> >> >> JOIN WEBEX MEETING >> https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac >> Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 >> Meeting password: tools >> >> JOIN BY PHONE >> 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) >> 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) >> Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 >> Meeting password: tools >> >> >> 1. Datatracker Projects >> - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik >> -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN >> - Python2 to Python3 transition -- Henrik >> - Meeting Application Improvements by IOLA -- Robert >> - IRSG balloting -- Proposals due on 16 May 2019 >> >> 2. Community & Other Projects >> - Redirect cleanup after deploying Wagtail 2.0 -- Glen >> - Transfer operations of guides.ietf.org the Secretariat -- Robert >> >> 3. RFC Services Projects >> - RPC testing of new RFC format tools -- Heather and Robert >> - Security Review of RPC Tools -- Robert and Heather >> - Rendering errata in more useful way -- Portia >> -- Proposals evaluated; winner recommended >> >> 4. Server Infrastructure >> - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey >> -- When do we expect the next release of OpenARC? Ever? >> >> 5. YANG Catalog >> - yangcatalog.org transfered to the IETF Trust -- Eric and Glen >> - Operations transferes to the IETF Secretariat -- Eric and Glen >> - Adding features from the yangvalidator project -- Eric >> >> 6. Parking Lot >> - Discontinue pipermail email archives -- Robert and Ryan >> -- MHonArc URLs have be redirected to mail-archive >> >> 7. AOB >> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > From nobody Tue Apr 30 11:11:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACF51202DA for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:11:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id T5IpF9w4tPYU for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A24BC12008D for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 11:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 892123001F1 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:53:33 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id vgpY2wvyvtgl for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2D19C300ADA for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:53:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 14:11:49 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 7 May 2019 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 18:11:53 -0000 Tools Call Agenda -- 7 May 2019 at 1:00 Eastern JOIN WEBEX MEETING https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools JOIN BY PHONE 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools 1. 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Parking Lot - Discontinue pipermail email archives -- Robert and Ryan -- MHonArc URLs have be redirected to mail-archive 7. AOB From nobody Tue Apr 30 13:37:41 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8D7120104 for ; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:37:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2HGF0ejEXHBq; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:14d:8101:1c3c:214b:2a94:a61:45ec] (unknown [IPv6:2601:14d:8101:1c3c:214b:2a94:a61:45ec]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 50B54120043; Tue, 30 Apr 2019 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Portia Wenze-Danley Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_70658657-6B96-43E2-8594-C236B0240DF9" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 16:36:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: IETF Tools Development To: Russ Housley References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 7 May 2019 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2019 20:37:39 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_70658657-6B96-43E2-8594-C236B0240DF9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Russ, I have a conflict and must attend the LLC Board's F2F retreat on May 7-8. ________________________________ Portia Wenze-Danley IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim) (Formerly IETF Administrative Director (IAD) Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) pwdanley@ietf.org > On Apr 30, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > > Tools Call Agenda -- 7 May 2019 at 1:00 Eastern > > > JOIN WEBEX MEETING > https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac > Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 > Meeting password: tools > > JOIN BY PHONE > 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) > 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) > Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 > Meeting password: tools > > > 1. 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YANG Catalog > - yangcatalog.org transfered to the IETF Trust -- Eric and Glen > - Operations transferes to the IETF Secretariat -- Eric and Glen > - Adding features from the yangvalidator project -- Eric > > 6. Parking Lot > - Discontinue pipermail email archives -- Robert and Ryan > -- MHonArc URLs have be redirected to mail-archive > > 7. AOB > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --Apple-Mail=_70658657-6B96-43E2-8594-C236B0240DF9 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = Russ,

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On Apr 30, 2019, at 2:11 PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

Tools = Call Agenda -- 7 May 2019 at 1:00 Eastern

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1. Datatracker Projects
 - Expected = Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik
=    -- = https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN
=  - Python2 to Python3 transition -- Henrik
 - = Meeting Application Improvements by IOLA -- Robert
=  - IRSG balloting -- Proposals due on 16 May 2019

2. Community & Other Projects
 - = Redirect cleanup after deploying Wagtail 2.0 -- Glen
=  - Transfer operations of guides.ietf.org the Secretariat -- = Robert

3. RFC Services Projects
 - RPC testing of new RFC format tools -- Heather and = Robert
 - Security Review of RPC Tools -- Robert and = Heather
 - Rendering errata in more useful way -- = Portia
   -- Proposals evaluated; winner = recommended

4. Server Infrastructure
 - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey
   -- When do we expect the next release of = OpenARC? Ever?

5. YANG Catalog
=  - yangcatalog.org transfered to the IETF Trust -- Eric and = Glen
 - Operations transferes to the IETF = Secretariat -- Eric and Glen
 - Adding features from = the yangvalidator project -- Eric

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