From nobody Wed Jun 5 12:57:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 48091120203 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 12:57:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MLbwHrj_jHyk for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 12:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B2F69120073 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 12:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B44A4300A91 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 15:38:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id Hy4w4OahPIvC for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 15:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B18A0300A49 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 15:38:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 15:57:30 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Transition of sustainietf.org to IETF control X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 19:57:34 -0000 Dear Tools Team: The IETF LLC is working on transferring control of the IETF Endowment = bank accounts from ISOC to the IETF, a process which should be completed = on June 28. As a result, the related website and domain = (sustainietf.org) need to be transferred to IETF. I have asked Glen to work with ISOC to get the domain name transferred = to the IETF Trust. The web site is a WordPress-driven site. I am unaware of any any = associated source control. In addition, the site points people to SustainIETF@isoc.org, so we will = need to create a new mailbox for that. I do not yet understand who will = read the mail sent there, so I do not have a suggest way forward yet. Is this a candidate for a new container? Russ= From nobody Wed Jun 5 13:21:55 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE9F12014B for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 13:21:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zvcAlUP0uKkT for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 13:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E9291120043 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 13:21:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:55695 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hYcPv-00016k-QK; Wed, 05 Jun 2019 13:21:52 -0700 To: Russ Housley , IETF Tools Development References: From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <67bd601c-65c5-df7a-d42b-a7963ac73e04@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 22:21:44 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Lw8M08MqEdMWNCPET0nsNfiIQDC3Bat29" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, housley@vigilsec.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Transition of sustainietf.org to IETF control X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 20:21:54 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Lw8M08MqEdMWNCPET0nsNfiIQDC3Bat29 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="xN5pgIUPnB5cPg5LlsEbIXnQA2CPfm6hr"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Russ Housley , IETF Tools Development Message-ID: <67bd601c-65c5-df7a-d42b-a7963ac73e04@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Transition of sustainietf.org to IETF control References: In-Reply-To: --xN5pgIUPnB5cPg5LlsEbIXnQA2CPfm6hr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Russ, On 2019-06-05 21:57, Russ Housley wrote: > Dear Tools Team: >=20 > The IETF LLC is working on transferring control of the IETF Endowment b= ank accounts from ISOC to the IETF, a process which should be completed o= n June 28. As a result, the related website and domain (sustainietf.org) = need to be transferred to IETF. >=20 > I have asked Glen to work with ISOC to get the domain name transferred = to the IETF Trust. >=20 > The web site is a WordPress-driven site. I am unaware of any any associ= ated source control. >=20 > In addition, the site points people to SustainIETF@isoc.org, so we will= need to create a new mailbox for that. I do not yet understand who will= read the mail sent there, so I do not have a suggest way forward yet. >=20 > Is this a candidate for a new container? Given the history of security issues with wordpress sites, I think isolat= ing this in a container is an excellent idea. Henrik --xN5pgIUPnB5cPg5LlsEbIXnQA2CPfm6hr-- --Lw8M08MqEdMWNCPET0nsNfiIQDC3Bat29 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAlz4JFgACgkQTptXS4+7 Fxohiw/+ISpJckPQHbDvgwR1rzNMs5oNGgqP7M8ccKzU/LAAiUahVkMp1+EFdBSK 21sedD2RueLTXnfUw8qaaE1L09A0JxC48jRB6jG4HmgZhkpbfFQdEotUX1FoNrgD 19nuPv3zj9Uv+0yaTz6AuMg4GTeZH6J2q7FgjqWerofJetP0GBcI3c/X0SX++xvk 7yEQMrSGKyEo66UUnAjMDaG6y3cIlSA0mCdgicQs8ttdT3CzjpYkuoBNMoqnJhHl lXHV/kkf0emZdYGkbwbcCNjVj+i9Jd+KBCYeRmCUxcWrKmLJmiTrqzUQcOa6kXzC bOrm30tMLWwvkMKqtVZROcGgI7hShqKsKSom7hbaSN8+mQAoH6pQLmwqdHih6n3t 9NDK33chE4xZtUtJyJQqSk/7WK5auYUQ8FxCUoVwnRbKBfajU++S0jfHL9cbGwpC ytTIEJ3cgrTFzd2S7swbucR4OVIEXM9Ekd2yq0ltf/Uf8xW8V1a6XeTb14yXFUnn 8O/iFc2TKJ9a0v+xD8Hh53DXS2EBNUojppcX8UAYrQU2EVfQMhlXts8xZGmoMNKx 0SZXhpIJL5m0LU44mXVca4bX/498lb94IqRIZQyrQFGrGDBmfKxegAKEu+7MX68s UiDwXt7W2QzcuS+jYtOP44M4K/y5aTwNjdt7eOa57QQgRnoxne8= =lcZK -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Lw8M08MqEdMWNCPET0nsNfiIQDC3Bat29-- From nobody Wed Jun 5 13:22:18 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629F112014B for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 13:22:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.979 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.979 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dlwIG9PxiYvR for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 13:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6EF3C120043 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 13:22:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x55KMDXX030069 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 15:22:14 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1559766134; bh=CuplMLDwGGDgD6YDYc2QARSzoc2lwxzQgFBclwuubyQ=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=OWoU1k7UiJvGayfJ8YAoasLvVjOnN4QMgIK8pUzAHuJuxId9W4w5RrBSpIlt6xia6 0q+Jc16H6UL35YNU8c2EwUq1WG48XZJ23B8NmUjt76kiP3xSC6GBkqD/U0vLo3rcGK bKhYDW2JACDXBoBhb6JLXBhCqMG6lTfSKoR+leEk= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: tools-development@ietf.org References: From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <0dd6a9a9-4ba0-4d2b-7fd6-8fb4426a42f4@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 15:22:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Transition of sustainietf.org to IETF control X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 20:22:17 -0000 Yes, if we take this, I strongly suggest putting it in a container, with its database also containerized. If it is just wordpress (that is, nobody's done anything special), all we'd really need is a copy of the database (IIRC, wordpress keeps its static content (like photos) in that database). I think whoever is supposed to manage the content (see e.g. the "Donor Wall" at the bottom of the page) should get some training from whoever's been doing that at ISOC so far. You're thinking ISOC would forward sustainietf@isoc.org to whatever @ietf.org address we created? It seems to me that this will have to land on a person who can manage taking a donation. Until the LLC appoints someone else, I think that has to be the executive director, no? RjS On 6/5/19 2:57 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > Dear Tools Team: > > The IETF LLC is working on transferring control of the IETF Endowment bank accounts from ISOC to the IETF, a process which should be completed on June 28. As a result, the related website and domain (sustainietf.org) need to be transferred to IETF. > > I have asked Glen to work with ISOC to get the domain name transferred to the IETF Trust. > > The web site is a WordPress-driven site. I am unaware of any any associated source control. > > In addition, the site points people to SustainIETF@isoc.org, so we will need to create a new mailbox for that. I do not yet understand who will read the mail sent there, so I do not have a suggest way forward yet. > > Is this a candidate for a new container? > > Russ > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Wed Jun 5 13:40:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EBE7120158 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 13:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DlKj72NybKLd for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 13:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D7EF12014B for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 13:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B018300AEA for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 16:21:05 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id xSYsTI1tkdJN for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 16:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1579D300260; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 16:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <0dd6a9a9-4ba0-4d2b-7fd6-8fb4426a42f4@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 16:40:20 -0400 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <17C1710B-122B-46E6-8A51-32EC8DDDE0ED@vigilsec.com> References: <0dd6a9a9-4ba0-4d2b-7fd6-8fb4426a42f4@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Transition of sustainietf.org to IETF control X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 20:40:28 -0000 Greg Wood suggested that the site could be could be restructured to = remove the email address altogether. However, we need to have = SustainIETF@isoc.org forwarded to some IETF email address, and of = course, someone needs to be responsible or reading the traffic that = comes there. Russ > On Jun 5, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > Yes, if we take this, I strongly suggest putting it in a container, = with its database also containerized. If it is just wordpress (that is, = nobody's done anything special), all we'd really need is a copy of the = database (IIRC, wordpress keeps its static content (like photos) in that = database). >=20 > I think whoever is supposed to manage the content (see e.g. the "Donor = Wall" at the bottom of the page) should get some training from whoever's = been doing that at ISOC so far. >=20 > You're thinking ISOC would forward sustainietf@isoc.org to whatever = @ietf.org address we created? It seems to me that this will have to land = on a person who can manage taking a donation. Until the LLC appoints = someone else, I think that has to be the executive director, no? >=20 > RjS >=20 >=20 > On 6/5/19 2:57 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >> Dear Tools Team: >>=20 >> The IETF LLC is working on transferring control of the IETF Endowment = bank accounts from ISOC to the IETF, a process which should be completed = on June 28. As a result, the related website and domain = (sustainietf.org) need to be transferred to IETF. >>=20 >> I have asked Glen to work with ISOC to get the domain name = transferred to the IETF Trust. >>=20 >> The web site is a WordPress-driven site. I am unaware of any any = associated source control. >>=20 >> In addition, the site points people to SustainIETF@isoc.org, so we = will need to create a new mailbox for that. I do not yet understand who = will read the mail sent there, so I do not have a suggest way forward = yet. >>=20 >> Is this a candidate for a new container? >>=20 >> Russ From nobody Wed Jun 5 23:49:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C270120182 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 23:49:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=vSfm+X4u; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=aIHdmRFR Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3jrSe0Iu5U1w for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 23:49:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C84BA1200F7 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 2019 23:49:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC6DD222CE; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 02:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 06 Jun 2019 02:49:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm3; bh=P 7tlKHfZV9xQFf6hAwBCTtKKIXzqTGsMSh55T/1ktnY=; b=vSfm+X4uI2fS4SYPG uVv9H6OoVXZhfyk/bVU9zeKgxWem/b7K5qtve+aDJ9a8uluVD2JNQ/Ep+3I6h5dd fGUTqtUm1IqvCN2I+E47w+HO/6m7iQ6Uu/WPjIdA4kCZ3QAE1XNwHS1tHChcbGnu fytYByc7oB7N40oKCNMAlhRb1MUDhTYwbgsM9/N/7pWEf1Okj1PnOsCOG5oVNNUs mh9SO94En2aKDyB8XmU90hORAwF32Pw5f59PFmNt2nt7xh+5Lw2HeMtNir4B5bO9 tbXVeVwDqkCQPjXpMVkMH8HbMcaZ0cZ7Enw0CEg6Lh0PAMuOfLvWCzFdyeB4CICd y1TjA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=P7tlKHfZV9xQFf6hAwBCTtKKIXzqTGsMSh55T/1kt nY=; b=aIHdmRFR0K4v//+pHaQM8i7EOs5tEiqgAR84cYmw2ARbjlhkSctEXJnL4 8oprPsuPP9l8lHtFNOKK3B+fMG0ZxfN2pIjpfW9Ea6GfZpSb7GBAcSAt9Ytua/h0 6YtsHkChWkW1JN8l51rLEnZkRxA+HBDePxQ+qTwZxvS/YQpzuh3/AuHrdUrdyFru 62OoZ8gH+ioPfsYhdTfyI5llVcWa/qAPGYyCqVEBAUlaf3X4cUBW4y4hJMgJ7KYE KGIlotAaMDlyZd2NVembcrYGPbKRkxegBYbkOBQjBzR/KfswUrdZwfMody1hUSV7 LTB2GlK2aQuUYCAIkZ4kKV1QZSI/g== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddrudegfedgudduudcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpegtggfuhfgjfffgkfhfvffosehtqhhmtdhhtddvnecuhfhrohhmpeetlhhi shhsrgcuvehoohhpvghruceorghlihhsshgrsegtohhophgvrhifrdhinheqnecuffhomh grihhnpehivghtfhdrohhrghdpshhushhtrghinhhivghtfhdrohhrghenucfkphepudej fedrfeekrdduudejrdekkeenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheprghlihhsshgrse gtohhophgvrhifrdhinhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from rtp-vpn5-43.cisco.com (unknown [173.38.117.88]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AA06280065; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 02:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <17C1710B-122B-46E6-8A51-32EC8DDDE0ED@vigilsec.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 08:49:29 +0200 Cc: Robert Sparks , IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <8DEDD044-46C8-4F13-89D5-0F6DF3BB7975@cooperw.in> References: <0dd6a9a9-4ba0-4d2b-7fd6-8fb4426a42f4@nostrum.com> <17C1710B-122B-46E6-8A51-32EC8DDDE0ED@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Transition of sustainietf.org to IETF control X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 06:49:34 -0000 There is discussion in the LLC Board about taking the site down = altogether, so I would suggest that folks hold off on making plans for = it for a bit. Alissa > On Jun 5, 2019, at 10:40 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Greg Wood suggested that the site could be could be restructured to = remove the email address altogether. However, we need to have = SustainIETF@isoc.org forwarded to some IETF email address, and of = course, someone needs to be responsible or reading the traffic that = comes there. >=20 > Russ >=20 >> On Jun 5, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >>=20 >> Yes, if we take this, I strongly suggest putting it in a container, = with its database also containerized. If it is just wordpress (that is, = nobody's done anything special), all we'd really need is a copy of the = database (IIRC, wordpress keeps its static content (like photos) in that = database). >>=20 >> I think whoever is supposed to manage the content (see e.g. the = "Donor Wall" at the bottom of the page) should get some training from = whoever's been doing that at ISOC so far. >>=20 >> You're thinking ISOC would forward sustainietf@isoc.org to whatever = @ietf.org address we created? It seems to me that this will have to land = on a person who can manage taking a donation. Until the LLC appoints = someone else, I think that has to be the executive director, no? >>=20 >> RjS >>=20 >>=20 >> On 6/5/19 2:57 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >>> Dear Tools Team: >>>=20 >>> The IETF LLC is working on transferring control of the IETF = Endowment bank accounts from ISOC to the IETF, a process which should be = completed on June 28. As a result, the related website and domain = (sustainietf.org) need to be transferred to IETF. >>>=20 >>> I have asked Glen to work with ISOC to get the domain name = transferred to the IETF Trust. >>>=20 >>> The web site is a WordPress-driven site. I am unaware of any any = associated source control. >>>=20 >>> In addition, the site points people to SustainIETF@isoc.org, so we = will need to create a new mailbox for that. I do not yet understand who = will read the mail sent there, so I do not have a suggest way forward = yet. >>>=20 >>> Is this a candidate for a new container? >>>=20 >>> Russ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Jun 6 00:08:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71BAB1201AF for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 00:08:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=YJICcQ0X; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=dwNWdsLX Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rdqFD2Z7Zg45 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 00:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out3-smtp.messagingengine.com (out3-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9606120182 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 00:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1B9C22293; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 03:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 06 Jun 2019 03:08:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h= content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; s=fm3; bh=s 0wAVhXzrdqFCQMH+2ERKTPIKWmMjhqp+bTuc+eVvyI=; b=YJICcQ0X1J5yXjg78 29RHXkLam2D9DvsCB4ijdNZmMFjjrgfzjiA8f+7RDp3QMYAUKYYPLfnH8nVQzjoM K66A9wxAUH/HsJ+8g1aCCwcFG//LIbVwgBBVAcqHsa5XBMzjC8O0BNMnNMA56F3f jmVKKNPgBtbrPG7BiND74Ymg+HPf2ZQhZCg2ng1qi4M9Sw8rSzJDDBPZ6Ufcf98i WVyxdyNHNyVdgH+W1sKSVGbp4XPa7dVnPAcSu4PI7D8g0mEhoWB0PP700QvaBhKQ rbj/JBU+NDVqyfiA8ZkDgo2Hx6YV7AswC3YgV1zryAp2i1DcQCjzrv3Ru1h+CVug YHjlw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=s0wAVhXzrdqFCQMH+2ERKTPIKWmMjhqp+bTuc+eVv yI=; b=dwNWdsLXfMOeoJF2Rj+mpSaA5qlPzEi9Lxk1P0hRvxX/aHjkHYeIAWFGX DZ7GXv8T2oQJ8noTeTYDsO84L5AB6LjLNs3N2l8CIOMQuZmdLG02y8PMDhvwWmNp RDdL+S2z/UGJW6+dOz1S4GEsGbV8x7rnhwRqs6tdVbotolgNFwMmp5hZa1d44rib VzvWCwdh3nY9t0C6SqrjbGzjBCN/faPfQnUeAF69UuXGpuELxZGFsYktgwI1SwYL mygYzxjCfIzYMc+toccngw6Rpf7xJUqcnsxYlvyfeYSgS7nDigMoUkupaR201qgN saakOK/e2y90oUFlQ+LroScPpRCYA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduuddrudegfedgudduhecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmd enucfjughrpegtggfuhfgjfffgkfhfvffosehtqhhmtdhhtddvnecuhfhrohhmpeetlhhi shhsrgcuvehoohhpvghruceorghlihhsshgrsegtohhophgvrhifrdhinheqnecuffhomh grihhnpehivghtfhdrohhrghdpshhushhtrghinhhivghtfhdrohhrghenucfkphepudej fedrfeekrdduudejrdekkeenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheprghlihhsshgrse gtohhophgvrhifrdhinhenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedt X-ME-Proxy: Received: from rtp-vpn1-1667.cisco.com (unknown [173.38.117.88]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F1B3780059; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 03:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <8DEDD044-46C8-4F13-89D5-0F6DF3BB7975@cooperw.in> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 09:08:41 +0200 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <0dd6a9a9-4ba0-4d2b-7fd6-8fb4426a42f4@nostrum.com> <17C1710B-122B-46E6-8A51-32EC8DDDE0ED@vigilsec.com> <8DEDD044-46C8-4F13-89D5-0F6DF3BB7975@cooperw.in> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Transition of sustainietf.org to IETF control X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 07:08:46 -0000 To clarify: planning for the domain transfer at this point seems fine = since that is a certainty, but the future of the site content is = unclear. Alissa > On Jun 6, 2019, at 8:49 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote: >=20 > There is discussion in the LLC Board about taking the site down = altogether, so I would suggest that folks hold off on making plans for = it for a bit. >=20 > Alissa >=20 >> On Jun 5, 2019, at 10:40 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >>=20 >> Greg Wood suggested that the site could be could be restructured to = remove the email address altogether. However, we need to have = SustainIETF@isoc.org forwarded to some IETF email address, and of = course, someone needs to be responsible or reading the traffic that = comes there. >>=20 >> Russ >>=20 >>> On Jun 5, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Yes, if we take this, I strongly suggest putting it in a container, = with its database also containerized. If it is just wordpress (that is, = nobody's done anything special), all we'd really need is a copy of the = database (IIRC, wordpress keeps its static content (like photos) in that = database). >>>=20 >>> I think whoever is supposed to manage the content (see e.g. the = "Donor Wall" at the bottom of the page) should get some training from = whoever's been doing that at ISOC so far. >>>=20 >>> You're thinking ISOC would forward sustainietf@isoc.org to whatever = @ietf.org address we created? It seems to me that this will have to land = on a person who can manage taking a donation. Until the LLC appoints = someone else, I think that has to be the executive director, no? >>>=20 >>> RjS >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On 6/5/19 2:57 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>> Dear Tools Team: >>>>=20 >>>> The IETF LLC is working on transferring control of the IETF = Endowment bank accounts from ISOC to the IETF, a process which should be = completed on June 28. As a result, the related website and domain = (sustainietf.org) need to be transferred to IETF. >>>>=20 >>>> I have asked Glen to work with ISOC to get the domain name = transferred to the IETF Trust. >>>>=20 >>>> The web site is a WordPress-driven site. I am unaware of any any = associated source control. >>>>=20 >>>> In addition, the site points people to SustainIETF@isoc.org, so we = will need to create a new mailbox for that. I do not yet understand who = will read the mail sent there, so I do not have a suggest way forward = yet. >>>>=20 >>>> Is this a candidate for a new container? >>>>=20 >>>> Russ >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Thu Jun 6 07:26:52 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EF021200EA for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:26:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zv-9V2bHprfa; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2601:14d:8101:1c3c:2d67:1d90:f0a:89e3] (unknown [IPv6:2601:14d:8101:1c3c:2d67:1d90:f0a:89e3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C39AC1200DE; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 07:26:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Portia Wenze-Danley Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_72A9CD2E-AC70-4A36-9177-8ADD8D517ABB" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 10:25:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: Cc: IETF Tools Development , Alissa Cooper To: Russ Housley References: <0dd6a9a9-4ba0-4d2b-7fd6-8fb4426a42f4@nostrum.com> <17C1710B-122B-46E6-8A51-32EC8DDDE0ED@vigilsec.com> <8DEDD044-46C8-4F13-89D5-0F6DF3BB7975@cooperw.in> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Transition of sustainietf.org to IETF control X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 14:26:50 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_72A9CD2E-AC70-4A36-9177-8ADD8D517ABB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Additionally once the LLC finalizes details of the future site, the ED = will most likely be the person to receive endowment email. Thanks. ________________________________ Portia Wenze-Danley IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim) (Formerly IETF Administrative Director (IAD)=09 Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) pwdanley@ietf.org > On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:08 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote: >=20 > To clarify: planning for the domain transfer at this point seems fine = since that is a certainty, but the future of the site content is = unclear. >=20 > Alissa >=20 >> On Jun 6, 2019, at 8:49 AM, Alissa Cooper wrote: >>=20 >> There is discussion in the LLC Board about taking the site down = altogether, so I would suggest that folks hold off on making plans for = it for a bit. >>=20 >> Alissa >>=20 >>> On Jun 5, 2019, at 10:40 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >>>=20 >>> Greg Wood suggested that the site could be could be restructured to = remove the email address altogether. However, we need to have = SustainIETF@isoc.org forwarded to some IETF email address, and of = course, someone needs to be responsible or reading the traffic that = comes there. >>>=20 >>> Russ >>>=20 >>>> On Jun 5, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Yes, if we take this, I strongly suggest putting it in a container, = with its database also containerized. If it is just wordpress (that is, = nobody's done anything special), all we'd really need is a copy of the = database (IIRC, wordpress keeps its static content (like photos) in that = database). >>>>=20 >>>> I think whoever is supposed to manage the content (see e.g. the = "Donor Wall" at the bottom of the page) should get some training from = whoever's been doing that at ISOC so far. >>>>=20 >>>> You're thinking ISOC would forward sustainietf@isoc.org to whatever = @ietf.org address we created? It seems to me that this will have to land = on a person who can manage taking a donation. Until the LLC appoints = someone else, I think that has to be the executive director, no? >>>>=20 >>>> RjS >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> On 6/5/19 2:57 PM, Russ Housley wrote: >>>>> Dear Tools Team: >>>>>=20 >>>>> The IETF LLC is working on transferring control of the IETF = Endowment bank accounts from ISOC to the IETF, a process which should be = completed on June 28. As a result, the related website and domain = (sustainietf.org) need to be transferred to IETF. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I have asked Glen to work with ISOC to get the domain name = transferred to the IETF Trust. >>>>>=20 >>>>> The web site is a WordPress-driven site. I am unaware of any any = associated source control. >>>>>=20 >>>>> In addition, the site points people to SustainIETF@isoc.org, so we = will need to create a new mailbox for that. I do not yet understand who = will read the mail sent there, so I do not have a suggest way forward = yet. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is this a candidate for a new container? >>>>>=20 >>>>> Russ >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --Apple-Mail=_72A9CD2E-AC70-4A36-9177-8ADD8D517ABB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Additionally once the LLC finalizes details of the future = site, the ED will most likely be the person to receive endowment = email.

Thanks.
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Portia Wenze-Danley
IETF Administration LLC Executive Director (Interim)
(Formerly IETF Administrative = Director (IAD)
Internet = Engineering Task Force (IETF)







On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:08 AM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> = wrote:

To clarify: planning for the domain transfer at this point = seems fine since that is a certainty, but the future of the site content = is unclear.

Alissa

On Jun 6, 2019, at 8:49 = AM, Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in> wrote:

There is discussion in the LLC Board about taking the site = down altogether, so I would suggest that folks hold off on making plans = for it for a bit.

Alissa

On Jun 5, 2019, at 10:40 = PM, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:

Greg Wood suggested that the site could be could be = restructured to remove the email address altogether.  However, we = need to have SustainIETF@isoc.org forwarded to some IETF email = address, and of course, someone needs to be responsible or reading the = traffic that comes there.

Russ

On Jun 5, = 2019, at 4:22 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> wrote:

Yes, if we take this, I strongly suggest putting it in a = container, with its database also containerized. If it is just wordpress = (that is, nobody's done anything special), all we'd really need is a = copy of the database (IIRC, wordpress keeps its static content (like = photos) in that database).

I think whoever = is supposed to manage the content (see e.g. the "Donor Wall" at the = bottom of the page) should get some training from whoever's been doing = that at ISOC so far.

You're thinking ISOC = would forward sustainietf@isoc.org to whatever @ietf.org address we = created? It seems to me that this will have to land on a person who can = manage taking a donation. Until the LLC appoints someone else, I think = that has to be the executive director, no?

RjS


On 6/5/19 = 2:57 PM, Russ Housley wrote:
Dear Tools Team:

The IETF LLC is = working on transferring control of the IETF Endowment bank accounts from = ISOC to the IETF, a process which should be completed on June 28. As a = result, the related website and domain (sustainietf.org) need to be transferred to IETF.

I have asked Glen to work with ISOC to get the = domain name transferred to the IETF Trust.

The web site is a WordPress-driven site. I am unaware of any = any associated source control.

In addition, = the site points people to SustainIETF@isoc.org, so we will need to create a new = mailbox for that.  I do not yet understand who will read the mail = sent there, so I do not have a suggest way forward yet.

Is this a candidate for a new container?

Russ

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= --Apple-Mail=_72A9CD2E-AC70-4A36-9177-8ADD8D517ABB-- From nobody Thu Jun 6 11:51:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA60812006E for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 11:51:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJDMsfEONwtU for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 11:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88B4F120094 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 11:51:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D40B300AE4 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 14:32:02 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id kGBdzzXDt6SU for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 14:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DC133300687 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 14:32:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: <66AC7518-2B30-461F-B7E5-EB9A062B87F8@vigilsec.com> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 14:51:16 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 11 June 2019 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 18:51:24 -0000 Tools Call Agenda -- 11 June 2019 at 1:00 Eastern JOIN WEBEX MEETING https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools JOIN BY PHONE 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN - Python2 to Python3 transition -- Henrik - Meeting Application Improvements by IOLA -- Robert - IRSG balloting -- Proposals under evaluation 2. Community & Other Projects - Search across the IETF web presence -- Greg -- Search over www, datatracker, and mailarchive - Transfer operations of guides.ietf.org the Secretariat -- Robert 3. RFC Services Projects - RPC testing of new RFC format tools -- Heather and Robert - Security Review of RPC Tools -- Robert and Heather - Rendering errata in more useful way -- Robert -- Code is available for testing 4. Server Infrastructure - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey -- When do we expect the next release of OpenARC? Ever? 5. YANG Catalog - Point DNS records to server operated by IETF Secretariat -- Glen - Adding features from the yangvalidator project -- Eric 6. SustainIETF.org - Transfer domain name to the IETF Trust -- Glen 7. Parking Lot - Security Review of RPC Tools -- Robert and Heather - Discontinue pipermail email archives -- Robert and Ryan -- MHonArc URLs have be redirected to mail-archive 8. AOB From nobody Thu Jun 6 12:52:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98F55120123 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:52:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jdDCc16YUeLH for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8DD9212011B for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:52:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C9D911C41CF for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-f48.google.com (mail-ot1-f48.google.com [209.85.210.48]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE10C1C41CC for ; Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f48.google.com with SMTP id z23so3102216ote.13 for ; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 12:52:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWH8jrTV3Dg6Kqz0weN5bKFXuOCXsnlVoqxPhahipHY53pn+eI4 LfRoVQSXnHlxuPbyPTMZNupTDmWONAccYaeuqks= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzY2SVTlmDId4bWyCLZaNpTgGy1eYPX8C6boevrkWgRPEL2Z7YTWHT6PwN4OgnVcdL/5sSBLGq8Di4Un7WBRzs= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:24e4:: with SMTP id z91mr16998735ota.209.1559850736681; Thu, 06 Jun 2019 12:52:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <66AC7518-2B30-461F-B7E5-EB9A062B87F8@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <66AC7518-2B30-461F-B7E5-EB9A062B87F8@vigilsec.com> From: Glen Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 12:52:04 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 11 June 2019 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 19:52:19 -0000 On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 11:51 AM Russ Housley wrote: > Tools Call Agenda -- 11 June 2019 at 1:00 Eastern > - Transfer operations of guides.ietf.org the Secretariat -- Robert Glen now has the token for this, and I anticipate completion before the call. I hope. > 5. YANG Catalog > - Point DNS records to server operated by IETF Secretariat -- Glen AMS has control of the domain now, and records are updated, this item can be removed from the list as completed. > 6. SustainIETF.org > - Transfer domain name to the IETF Trust -- Glen Initial inquiry out to ISOC, they are to provide dump of database/site for future use, and authcodes for the domain, which I will then transfer. Status is waiting on ISOC for these things. (I understand from Alissa and Russ that staging of the website is on hold, and may be discontinued, but I am getting all the data from ISOC so they can shut down. I'll transfer the domain to us, then hold the site data for future decisions by leadership.) > 7. Parking Lot > - Discontinue pipermail email archives -- Robert and Ryan > -- MHonArc URLs have be redirected to mail-archive Nit: "have been redirected", and I think they have, and I think we've already completed this item? We should revisit this to see if it's fully completed and can be retired from the list. 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Here is a start at the first (Automatic Agenda Builder) for review. Please add to it. From nobody Wed Jun 12 10:34:49 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBED120073 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:34:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3a-c_YROrT_K for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E12D312000E for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:34:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F27BB1C41DC for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:34:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cMSpJ3HR1GoO for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA5D11C41D2 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:34:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 198.0.141.66 (SquirrelMail authenticated user av1) by www.amsl.com with HTTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:34:26 -0700 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 10:34:26 -0700 From: "Amy Vezza" To: tools-development@ietf.org Reply-To: avezza@amsl.com User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.21 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Notes from the June 11 Tools Team Call X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:34:47 -0000 Hi all! I may have missed some nuance here or there, but here are the notes from yesterday's tools team call. I tried to pull out the action items for ease of next month's meeting. Hopefully that helps! Best regards, Amy ---------- Tools Call Agenda -- 11 June 2019 at 1:00 Eastern Notes taken by Amy Vezza Attendees: Glen Barney Alissa Cooper Ryan Cross Bob Hinden Russ Housley Henrik Levkowetz Karen Moreland Robert Sparks Amy Vezza Eric Vyncke Portia Wenze-Danley Greg Wood Agenda bash: Robert want to talk about Web site stuff. 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN - Python2 to Python3 transition -- Henrik Python2 to Python3 transition is underway. Henrik reports it is just at the begining of the work item. He had to re-factor in a number of migrations to be released soon. He reports he will continue with Python work only unless something comes up. Robert mentioned the need to schedule the large number of migrations because they will require an outage for the datatracker of two or three hours. In addition, the outage will need to be announced to the community as early as possible so it isn't a surprise. There was a short discussion regarding the timing of the outage and it was agreed getting it done earlier was better than later, because if left too late it might impact the Internet-Drafts submissions deadline before IETF 105. Glen Barney indicated he will work with Robert and Henrik on the timing of the outage for the work. The outage was tentatively scheduled for over the weekend (June 15 or 16) or early next week. - Meeting Application Improvements by IOLA -- Robert Robert reported that IOLA's expected start is in August. - IRSG balloting -- Proposals under evaluation Russ reported that the team passed a recommendation for the IRSG Balloting Proposals to Portia. As such, the Tools Team part is done for this item. Robert Sparks spoke about the team having access to one, perhaps two, new IDIQ vendors, both whom are willing to be in the IDIQ pool for considerations for other projects. He indicated that they may be willing to take on the task of the Automatic Schedule Generator project, but would prefer to let them work on some other existing review tool tickets as a first project. Action Item: Robert Sparks to draft some text for a Statement of Work for the existing review tool tickets for potential new IDIQ vendors. 2. Community & Other Projects - Search across the IETF web presence -- Greg -- Search over www, datatracker, and mailarchive Greg Wood reported the www.ietf.org Web site search function does not return results from the datatracker or the mailarchive. The current expectation from the community is that a single search should return results from all of the related IETF sources. Robert stated that the technical ask for that kind of search capability is quite large and asked for clarification. Greg mentioned that he had tested some Google and Bing searches on IETF protocol technologies, and noted that those search engines also returned mostly www pages, and left out relevant datatracker and mailarchive results. There was a short discussion on relevancy of terms and results necessary, which may indicate the need for a tagging system. Action Item: Greg Wood to define the issue around the need for better search and the relevancy of search results. - Transfer operations of guides.ietf.org the Secretariat -- Robert Robert reported that the guides site is running in a container on the main site. They found an issue with sending mail, but a patch was applied and the site is now functional. He also reported that the latest deployment of Wagtail now has a fix in place to show PDF and TXT documents without the automatic download issue. This was needed for appeals, PR actions, agendas, meeting minutes, etc. There was an indication that moving regular group meeting materials to the datatracker may be a better way of archiving them. Each group such as the LLC Board or IESG has the ability to put scheduled meeting materials into the datatracker as current working groups do. Each meeting instance can have a meeting agenda and meeting minutes as well as other associated materials uploaded to the datatracker. Action Item: Henrik and Robert to work on the datatracker to enable Groups to have associated meeting materials pages. 3. RFC Services Projects - RPC testing of new RFC format tools -- Heather and Robert Robert reported that the testing of the new RFC formal tools is going well. Most reports back have been more on polishing the tool, than changing it. The RPC is working hard to get back to meeting the SLA. Action item: Robert to speak with Heather about the final cutover date from v2 to v3. - Rendering errata in more useful way -- Robert -- Code is available for testing Robert reported that the code is in the source code repository. Currently one bug is known, but otherwise it looks good. The code was accepted, and moved to the IETF tools gitHub repository. 4. Server Infrastructure - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey -- When do we expect the next release of OpenARC? Ever? Henrik got a response from OpenArc with a code release, which he indicates is good code, and was applied, but unfortunately, it did not solve the underlying problem that a fix was requested about. Still waiting for the requested fix. 5. YANG Catalog - Point DNS records to server operated by IETF Secretariat -- Glen Glen reported that AMS has control of the new yangcatalogue domain. Eric Vyncke reports that [something] was still pointing to the old infrastructure and not the new one, yet. He also requested both yangvalidator.org and yangcatalogue.org be domains under the IETF. Both are necessary and serve different purposes for the YANG community. YANGValidator is for those who have YANG models they want to check to make sure they will work, and YANGCatalogue for those who are looking for what YANG models are already available. Action Item: Russ to ask Glenn Deen and the LLC Board to get the relevant domain names needed. - Adding features from the yangvalidator project -- Eric Eric reporting that adding features from YANG validators is still under way. There was a short discussion on whether or not to include IETF in the domain name would be useful or not, and how to set up mailing lists on the new domain(s). Robert warned that even with different domain names, the lists need to have unique identifiers as in both "info at yangcatalogue.org" and "info at yangvalidators.org" should not co-exist. The name of the mailing list should be unique. He suggested the naming convension "ycinfo at yangcatalogue" or "yvinfo at yangvalidators.org." Glen asked if postconfirm would be need any special handling, and Henrik didn't think it would if they wanted to enable it for the lists. Glen, Robert and Henrik will coordinate adding the domain(s) to mailman when the domain(s) are obtained. 6. SustainIETF.org - Transfer domain name to the IETF Trust -- Glen Update from Glen before the call: Initial inquiry out to ISOC, they are to provide dump of database/site for future use, and authcodes for the domain, which I will then transfer. Status is waiting on ISOC for these things. (I understand from Alissa and Russ that staging of the website is on hold, and may be discontinued, but I am getting all the data from ISOC so they can shut down. I'll transfer the domain to us, then hold the site data for future decisions by leadership.) This action item is waiting on the transfer. 7. Parking Lot - Security Review of RPC Tools -- Robert and Heather - Discontinue pipermail email archives -- Robert and Ryan -- MHonArc URLs have be redirected to mail-archive Glen asked if this item was complete, but Russ indicated that there were a few non-public archives and files to be dealt with, so work is not yet completed. 8. AOB NONE. From nobody Wed Jun 12 14:34:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F1D2120189 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 14:34:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6nMHqh7F6yWH for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 14:34:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DE52312014E for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 14:34:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADE8E300AF4 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:14:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id OJLJnJXZTHY1 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 337F6300AEA; Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <48827e26-9cac-f68a-ee54-90d8c8ca39f5@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:34:13 -0400 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <48827e26-9cac-f68a-ee54-90d8c8ca39f5@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Start of an SoW for an Automatic Agenda Builder X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:34:19 -0000 Looks good to me. I made some editorial changes. Russ > On Jun 11, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > As discussed on today's call, I will be working towards a couple of = SoWs this week. Here is a start at the first (Automatic Agenda Builder) = for review. Please add to it. >=20 > = From nobody Thu Jun 13 06:47:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE92712030E for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 06:47:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KphDncIUoL3o for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 06:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BE07120331 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 06:47:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:62261 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hbQ4f-0002Tj-Oa; Thu, 13 Jun 2019 06:47:30 -0700 To: Russ Housley , Robert Sparks References: <48827e26-9cac-f68a-ee54-90d8c8ca39f5@nostrum.com> Cc: IETF Tools Development From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <80f8151d-6281-bc1e-cad4-fb38cf78c5bb@levkowetz.com> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 15:47:21 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="m2G5qIkBfQeLVr1EmP2wrN7ia3M93P3VC" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, housley@vigilsec.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Start of an SoW for an Automatic Agenda Builder X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 13:47:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --m2G5qIkBfQeLVr1EmP2wrN7ia3M93P3VC Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="w6s1X4KQMCI97HfcAxC94ws76shRdFpip"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Russ Housley , Robert Sparks Cc: IETF Tools Development Message-ID: <80f8151d-6281-bc1e-cad4-fb38cf78c5bb@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Start of an SoW for an Automatic Agenda Builder References: <48827e26-9cac-f68a-ee54-90d8c8ca39f5@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: --w6s1X4KQMCI97HfcAxC94ws76shRdFpip Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looks good to me. I made one editorial change. Henrik On 2019-06-12 23:34, Russ Housley wrote: > Looks good to me. I made some editorial changes. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 >> On Jun 11, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Robert Sparks wrot= e: >>=20 >> As discussed on today's call, I will be working towards a couple of So= Ws this week. Here is a start at the first (Automatic Agenda Builder) for= review. 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Sat, 22 Jun 2019 16:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FB133000D7; Sat, 22 Jun 2019 16:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 16:41:17 -0400 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Start of an SoW for addressing most of the review tool tickets X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 20:41:23 -0000 Robert: I made several editorial changes. The Deliverables section needs to be = completed. Russ > On Jun 19, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > Please review = >=20 > RjS >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Mon Jun 24 03:41:22 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9A7C120130 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 03:41:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9N_Z5-TD1oIp for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 03:41:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF48C1200FF for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 03:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:63651 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hfMPU-00039L-9s; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 03:41:17 -0700 To: Russ Housley , Robert Sparks References: Cc: IETF Tools Development From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <097290cd-1c03-4475-92b5-60ee602f270f@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:41:08 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LLoO50NitfGPJtOmNjarXVOAlBK8VruRR" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, housley@vigilsec.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Start of an SoW for addressing most of the review tool tickets X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 10:41:21 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --LLoO50NitfGPJtOmNjarXVOAlBK8VruRR Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="xS9lH1qMD6p5XV99LDOiu2ju8ouTRaDqb"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Russ Housley , Robert Sparks Cc: IETF Tools Development Message-ID: <097290cd-1c03-4475-92b5-60ee602f270f@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Start of an SoW for addressing most of the review tool tickets References: In-Reply-To: --xS9lH1qMD6p5XV99LDOiu2ju8ouTRaDqb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've read through the SoW. Apart from the incomplete Deliverables sectio= n, this looks good to me. Henrik On 2019-06-22 22:41, Russ Housley wrote: > Robert: >=20 > I made several editorial changes. The Deliverables section needs to be= completed. >=20 > Russ >=20 >> On Jun 19, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Robert Sparks wrot= e: >>=20 >> Please review >>=20 >> RjS >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 --xS9lH1qMD6p5XV99LDOiu2ju8ouTRaDqb-- --LLoO50NitfGPJtOmNjarXVOAlBK8VruRR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl0QqMQACgkQTptXS4+7 FxrJQw/+MwsDv1LYB90K3x40+o6cmr36fuCggsczwHQPBBLXwsPhP9cagf2mCjKR 38q0bbMeMByvt69xljtbJw1E8JQ74ZlgMmBBPY6s+3niEcwXRUv1rLDAhTrny3wx AAkHpZ2R7HdAxDGu4BBu2Xd3yq4oCll8PWc6dqG2I2dJIdnDnRg2U+ZrbE4LVXaN h0vtcohhDQqFfQ6ndhLeUxTY/oS6801ocxCuhwOjGDwLSX24vDilS0eHWFinBRPu BzL3h53EwPPFXJlIW8WdtgKJlRNLGecen+Bw1eYC1RkLiMv7xN/KSGWYEZ2OdB3K 9DxdUWW+OWkJQXgEGQ1siGfXGgL/9P0/7Q9dM9mkEOHXsvUPmoF8W0yxERwgYKTz pEbgd97xPIqHovdKia7e+7EZXCfV49XlwgkmMNxQOJN6mw+j0FvN4FMMEBakQI4w mRRpbo0+pEQO4ZIwRLYRDvwweGXivQhZwsWtpi1qtyvSE/hkjHcXgx6bwZ26WTvC swYiSCNcY5AUhgruKhVf0O6tJYKPUq2mb9owqT/barWFAtCqaKxzSfur9L/DkLJI elCiBcjJJQAlxg/M4eL4Sb9CmjE1rafMIPdyM/ixqXYMFyS+B7HKBICQMeL/5lsi NVdg7p8cY0CyilCb0YTxiHzb1vFFsiEOoPIrAxb7Cs6qJJq8Atk= =y6ir -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LLoO50NitfGPJtOmNjarXVOAlBK8VruRR-- From nobody Mon Jun 24 11:08:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC0EB1202BC for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:07:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.68 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.68 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nk88dugPuQOe for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D8F612013E for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unultimate.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x5OI7rsb026155 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Jun 2019 13:07:54 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1561399675; bh=B+IeNuG7hC12JhhBslw82xnaxqgKz8zrA8P1RAenpyA=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Hr20X3Wr2jcH3LTGzjw+F3nLVLVBVNdaSB4ZhkFgzPS+Xb5xCq0Ga6K8EQ2qbfo5w TFiO1KmxGhng3SlLC50PFmwY2WMeyDjni9KiYZc/XBxXzzSV1EOvpThE+jDGwBT61c Z/koVWDec43X0bbFnZG0TUZWUALX699IGyegtW3o= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unultimate.local To: Henrik Levkowetz , Russ Housley Cc: IETF Tools Development References: <097290cd-1c03-4475-92b5-60ee602f270f@levkowetz.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <843aba77-bf37-3339-83d3-679e4d2649d8@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 13:07:53 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <097290cd-1c03-4475-92b5-60ee602f270f@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Start of an SoW for addressing most of the review tool tickets X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 18:07:59 -0000 I've added a deliverables section. The edits to the first paragraph of the background resulted in an incomplete sentence (and it split a list improperly). I've corrected it - please reskim. RjS On 6/24/19 5:41 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > I've read through the SoW. Apart from the incomplete Deliverables section, > this looks good to me. > > Henrik > > On 2019-06-22 22:41, Russ Housley wrote: >> Robert: >> >> I made several editorial changes. The Deliverables section needs to be completed. >> >> Russ >> >>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 5:39 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>> >>> Please review >>> >>> RjS >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> From nobody Mon Jun 24 11:09:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3ABE120700 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:09:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.68 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.68 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8g3J2aWBSCM3 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9916512004F for ; Mon, 24 Jun 2019 11:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unultimate.local ([47.186.39.7]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x5OI9BxT026379 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 24 Jun 2019 13:09:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1561399752; bh=FqCWDAa/rvcLMCxGzZzDKWxakbVayS5YMNvAB1rrrGU=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=UJRRWfDfdKyWTEivklCqn8eVIZfjhl3WgxgesbpslKzlb45pJDVwz1bMr2z2wQzhy +XkD9NAizrBQIUNfLqf5lY0Kg9R+WOkMDWUccx5lnWhPqjIX9msRX9VvohikLdShmt ZE4SuuOcloO8vsMvHvBeJObpAW0ScUhtuHSfWJwU= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.39.7] claimed to be unultimate.local To: Henrik Levkowetz , Russ Housley Cc: IETF Tools Development References: <48827e26-9cac-f68a-ee54-90d8c8ca39f5@nostrum.com> <80f8151d-6281-bc1e-cad4-fb38cf78c5bb@levkowetz.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 13:09:11 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <80f8151d-6281-bc1e-cad4-fb38cf78c5bb@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Start of an SoW for an Automatic Agenda Builder X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 18:09:15 -0000 I worry that it is underspecified, but I don't know what else to add at this time. So unless someone else on the team here has questions or suggestions on additions, this one is ready to use. RjS On 6/13/19 8:47 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Looks good to me. I made one editorial change. > > Henrik > > On 2019-06-12 23:34, Russ Housley wrote: >> Looks good to me. I made some editorial changes. >> >> Russ >> >> >>> On Jun 11, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: >>> >>> As discussed on today's call, I will be working towards a couple of SoWs this week. Here is a start at the first (Automatic Agenda Builder) for review. Please add to it. >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >> From nobody Tue Jun 25 10:02:04 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91A7F1209DC for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:02:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CUe3AgoLYffW for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04A701209D7 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 10:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94FA300AB1 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 12:42:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id arvc45pUBRvh for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 12:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [10.5.245.234] (wsip-98-172-18-41.dc.dc.cox.net [98.172.18.41]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 751AB3004AF; Tue, 25 Jun 2019 12:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 13:01:58 -0400 Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <25C41BFD-0E7E-4810-BA46-A3DAA9B3FC5E@vigilsec.com> References: <48827e26-9cac-f68a-ee54-90d8c8ca39f5@nostrum.com> <80f8151d-6281-bc1e-cad4-fb38cf78c5bb@levkowetz.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Start of an SoW for an Automatic Agenda Builder X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 17:02:04 -0000 Looks good to me. I made a few editorial changes, the biggest being = that this project is exclusively about 'ietf' Meeting objects. Russ > On Jun 24, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > I worry that it is underspecified, but I don't know what else to add = at this time. >=20 > So unless someone else on the team here has questions or suggestions = on additions, this one is ready to use. >=20 > RjS >=20 > On 6/13/19 8:47 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Looks good to me. I made one editorial change. >>=20 >> Henrik >>=20 >> On 2019-06-12 23:34, Russ Housley wrote: >>> Looks good to me. I made some editorial changes. >>>=20 >>> Russ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Jun 11, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> As discussed on today's call, I will be working towards a couple of = SoWs this week. Here is a start at the first (Automatic Agenda Builder) = for review. Please add to it. >>>>=20 >>>> = >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >>>=20 From nobody Wed Jun 26 07:02:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204B212006F for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 07:02:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eGTfw8DxFvNA for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 07:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C461120019 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 07:02:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:56310 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1hg8Vg-0000B8-LZ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 07:02:53 -0700 To: Russ Housley , Robert Sparks References: <48827e26-9cac-f68a-ee54-90d8c8ca39f5@nostrum.com> <80f8151d-6281-bc1e-cad4-fb38cf78c5bb@levkowetz.com> <25C41BFD-0E7E-4810-BA46-A3DAA9B3FC5E@vigilsec.com> Cc: IETF Tools Development From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <55492240-a2f2-a1d3-46ee-cb027cc7f241@levkowetz.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:02:44 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <25C41BFD-0E7E-4810-BA46-A3DAA9B3FC5E@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="40PDueap9NsOdnsWlgTTpOIqlrLkDr09M" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: tools-development@ietf.org, rjsparks@nostrum.com, housley@vigilsec.com X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Start of an SoW for an Automatic Agenda Builder X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 14:02:56 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --40PDueap9NsOdnsWlgTTpOIqlrLkDr09M Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="oCIOJP4XBEbdp2RTJexvwesue0IrFwSVj"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Russ Housley , Robert Sparks Cc: IETF Tools Development Message-ID: <55492240-a2f2-a1d3-46ee-cb027cc7f241@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Start of an SoW for an Automatic Agenda Builder References: <48827e26-9cac-f68a-ee54-90d8c8ca39f5@nostrum.com> <80f8151d-6281-bc1e-cad4-fb38cf78c5bb@levkowetz.com> <25C41BFD-0E7E-4810-BA46-A3DAA9B3FC5E@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: <25C41BFD-0E7E-4810-BA46-A3DAA9B3FC5E@vigilsec.com> --oCIOJP4XBEbdp2RTJexvwesue0IrFwSVj Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I now realise that when I first read this, I had a question about what ki= nd of Agenda it was talking about in the title, and I had to read quite a bi= t of the opening text before I was sure that this was about the overall meeting schedule, not individual session agendas. Should the SoW title use 'Schedule' instead of 'Agenda'? Should there be some initial sentences clarifying that the outcome of ope= rating the builder would be a conference schedule for the whole conference week?= Best regards, Henrik On 2019-06-25 19:01, Russ Housley wrote: > Looks good to me. I made a few editorial changes, the biggest being th= at this project is exclusively about 'ietf' Meeting objects. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Jun 24, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Robert Sparks wrot= e: >>=20 >> I worry that it is underspecified, but I don't know what else to add a= t this time. >>=20 >> So unless someone else on the team here has questions or suggestions o= n additions, this one is ready to use. >>=20 >> RjS >>=20 >> On 6/13/19 8:47 AM, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>> Looks good to me. I made one editorial change. >>>=20 >>> Henrik >>>=20 >>> On 2019-06-12 23:34, Russ Housley wrote: >>>> Looks good to me. I made some editorial changes. >>>>=20 >>>> Russ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>> On Jun 11, 2019, at 7:03 PM, Robert Sparks w= rote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> As discussed on today's call, I will be working towards a couple of= SoWs this week. Here is a start at the first (Automatic Agenda Builder) = for review. 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Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:23:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Alissa Cooper Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) Message-Id: <8EEB78FC-4F6A-40F5-8486-03B3F664BED3@cooperw.in> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:23:54 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Making SOWs accessible to a broader pool X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 20:23:59 -0000 I=E2=80=99m wondering if there are some steps we could take to write our = SOWs in such a way as to make them accessible and understandable to a = broader pool of potential bidders. I=E2=80=99ve noticed that recent ones = tend to use a lot of IETF-specific jargon and acronyms without = explanation and assume significant familiarity with the existing = infrastructure and code base. Might it be possible to develop some = boilerplate text that could be re-used across datatracker-focused RFPs = that provides an introduction to the IETF, an introduction to the = project, a description of the technologies in use, and links to the = source code and other relevant information?=20 Thanks, Alissa =20= From nobody Wed Jun 26 13:31:51 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7776712037B for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:31:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9ySokc3gEb-j for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3620412031D for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03849300A0B for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:12:30 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id PVKqYc_t-SYE for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BFFB33000D7; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <8EEB78FC-4F6A-40F5-8486-03B3F664BED3@cooperw.in> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:31:45 -0400 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <89FBA6E1-4CFD-4AB1-ADF2-A91F72564902@vigilsec.com> References: <8EEB78FC-4F6A-40F5-8486-03B3F664BED3@cooperw.in> To: Alissa Cooper X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Making SOWs accessible to a broader pool X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 20:31:50 -0000 I agree that we want to make these "bidable" by the largest possible = audience. That said, some of them are easier to do without IETF jargon = than others. In all cases we have been including pointers to the code = itself, which reall does help a potential bider understand the size of = the application and where the enhancement fits. Russ > On Jun 26, 2019, at 4:23 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: >=20 > I=E2=80=99m wondering if there are some steps we could take to write = our SOWs in such a way as to make them accessible and understandable to = a broader pool of potential bidders. I=E2=80=99ve noticed that recent = ones tend to use a lot of IETF-specific jargon and acronyms without = explanation and assume significant familiarity with the existing = infrastructure and code base. Might it be possible to develop some = boilerplate text that could be re-used across datatracker-focused RFPs = that provides an introduction to the IETF, an introduction to the = project, a description of the technologies in use, and links to the = source code and other relevant information?=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Alissa =20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Wed Jun 26 18:47:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE9BA1200C5 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:47:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, 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quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <8EEB78FC-4F6A-40F5-8486-03B3F664BED3@cooperw.in> <89FBA6E1-4CFD-4AB1-ADF2-A91F72564902@vigilsec.com> To: Russ Housley X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Making SOWs accessible to a broader pool X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 15:47:29 -0000 > On Jun 26, 2019, at 4:31 PM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > I agree that we want to make these "bidable" by the largest possible = audience. That said, some of them are easier to do without IETF jargon = than others. =20 To be clear, I think it=E2=80=99s fine to use jargon as long as it is = explained upon first use. I doubt these would make any sense if we tried = to avoid jargon altogether. ;-) Alissa > In all cases we have been including pointers to the code itself, which = reall does help a potential bider understand the size of the application = and where the enhancement fits. >=20 > Russ >=20 >=20 >> On Jun 26, 2019, at 4:23 PM, Alissa Cooper wrote: >>=20 >> I=E2=80=99m wondering if there are some steps we could take to write = our SOWs in such a way as to make them accessible and understandable to = a broader pool of potential bidders. I=E2=80=99ve noticed that recent = ones tend to use a lot of IETF-specific jargon and acronyms without = explanation and assume significant familiarity with the existing = infrastructure and code base. Might it be possible to develop some = boilerplate text that could be re-used across datatracker-focused RFPs = that provides an introduction to the IETF, an introduction to the = project, a description of the technologies in use, and links to the = source code and other relevant information?=20 >>=20 >> Thanks, >> Alissa =20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 From nobody Sat Jun 29 08:14:43 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF487120073 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 08:14:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ub9h5oo0ZB_K for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 08:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7AEFE12001E for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 08:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046A6300AB9 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:55:20 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id db2_srB4c04J for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:55:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (unknown [138.88.156.37]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A6F443009FF for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:55:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Housley Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 11:14:35 -0400 To: IETF Tools Development X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 9 July 2019 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 15:14:41 -0000 Tools Call Agenda -- 9 July 2019 at 1:00 Eastern JOIN WEBEX MEETING https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=m440dd848726339c03e605b9956e38bac Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools JOIN BY PHONE 1-877-668-4493 Call-in toll free number (US/Canada) 1-650-479-3208 Call-in toll number (US/Canada) Meeting number (access code): 640 103 570 Meeting password: tools 1. Datatracker Projects - Expected Datatracker Releases -- Robert and Henrik -- https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/browser/trunk/PLAN - Python2 to Python3 transition -- Henrik - Meeting Application Improvements by IOLA -- Robert - IRSG balloting -- Robert 2. Community & Other Projects - Search across the IETF web presence -- Greg -- Search over www, datatracker, and mailarchive 3. RFC Services Projects - RPC testing of new RFC format tools -- Heather and Robert - Security Review of RPC Tools -- Robert and Heather - Rendering errata in more useful way -- Robert -- Code was updated after some testing -- How will it be deployed on rfc-editor.org? 4. Server Infrastructure - IESG discussions of DMARC -- Henrik and Alexey -- When do we expect the next release of OpenARC? Ever? 5. YANG Catalog - Putting yangcatalog.org in a Docker container -- Robert - Adding features from the yangvalidator project -- Eric 6. SustainIETF.org - Transfer domain name to the IETF Trust -- Glen - Web page still points to SustainIETF@isoc.org -- Greg 7. Parking Lot - Discontinue pipermail email archives -- Robert and Ryan -- MHonArc URLs have be redirected to mail-archive 8. AOB From nobody Sat Jun 29 09:38:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00FF41200CC for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:38:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -104.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-104.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SxtTlMA3EFAL for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B6B3A12006D for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:38:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C90E1C1344 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:38:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi1-f171.google.com (mail-oi1-f171.google.com [209.85.167.171]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E7C031C1342 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:38:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f171.google.com with SMTP id g7so6624123oia.8 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:38:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVAJNnJcjODrM4JFsTsbw3JM6DwI/ZUbV/l9EYKTlSs2FtpwN9f T14MriBFPYuMQ44tkPqHdD6DEpeuUh/+k2xWGdY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw56xtCuBZJeZD/rQz0PUrzBKLdWAJvwGgXJFBZWiRZskVHX2isfP5qkF5z7c8cwsqZtgoUn8jaOKjraF2/1RU= X-Received: by 2002:aca:4383:: with SMTP id q125mr2012404oia.29.1561826331715; Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:38:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Glen Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:38:39 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools Call Agenda -- 9 July 2019 at 1:00 Eastern X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development list server List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 16:38:54 -0000 On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 8:14 AM Russ Housley wrote: > 6. SustainIETF.org > - Transfer domain name to the IETF Trust -- Glen > - Web page still points to SustainIETF@isoc.org -- Greg Nudged by this agenda, I just recontacted Gregg Lechner and asked for an update. We're waiting for him to release the domain and provide the transfer code. Greg Wood - if you get a chance, could you perhaps follow up with him as well? Glen