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Hot Topics - Are tools issues blocking any documents? - Are there any priority tool changes needed? 2. Development Projects - Contracted projects progress update and immediate plans - Volunteer projects progress update and immediate plans 3. Operations Projects - Projects progress update and immediate plans 4. Planning for upcoming projects - SoW under development - RFP progress update - Planning for sizable volunteer projects 5. Are there any unmet needs? - Open discussion 6. 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Hot Topics >   - Are tools issues blocking any documents? >   - Are there any priority tool changes needed? * Building a good user experience with Meetecho for future interims   and online full meetings.    - We are still working through what a user will hand to webex to      "log in". Testing/evaluation of the experience with Oauth2      depends on Django 2. We have two fallbacks ready - one that      utilizes personal api tokens from the datatracker, and one      that uses the old concept of providing a registration number.      Ryan is working towards an API endpoint in the datatracker that      will accept registration information as the registration system      gathers it. * There were several requests to change the behavior of ics calendar   for meeting/upcoming. We are still reviewing how to best respond to   some of them. > 2. Development Projects >    - Contracted projects progress update and immediate plans We held a review session with the secretariat focusing on the new meeting schedule editor. Liz asked for many improvements. A recording of the session was sent to IOLA. Dashcare has started work on the actual automatic schedule generator. ZX Security has started the security review of the RPC code, and have sent an initial set of comments. We've made several changes to the datatracker at the IESGs request focusing on interim meetings. These are already deployed (See https://datatracker.ietf.org/release/). We have a request from the IAB to allow programs to request meetings and manage materials similar to working groups/research groups. This is implemented and will be part of an upcoming release. Work on converting the datatracker to Django 2 is nearing completion. The wagtail portion of the website has been upgraded to Django 2 and a recent release of wagtail. To do so, we removed the use and local extensions to the deprecated Hallo editor. We should look at reimplementing some of those extensions in the newer drafttail framework. It is now simpler to keep the project aligned with new releases of wagtail as they come out. We deployed an instance of CodiMD on Heroku and notified the chairs list. It has not seen much use, and we haven't received any feedback past a few initial positive responses. I will push for more feedback from the chairs. We supplied a tool to help advance the NomCom eligibility discussions. >    - Volunteer projects progress update and immediate plans We have scheduled an online sprint for 19May. > > 3. Operations Projects >    - Projects progress update and immediate plans We will be experimenting with fronting some of the proxied applications with nginx in the next couple of weeks > 4. Planning for upcoming projects >    - SoW under development >    - RFP progress update We have not issued the RFP for github backups for two reasons: It's not clear there is anyone with a product that could bid, and Martin Thomson and Mike Bishop have created most of a (bespoke) solution that will likely serve our needs. Henrik will be the tools team advisor for the upcoming NomCom. There have been several suggestions made in the last couple of months around requirements for a revision of the errata verification system. I am collecting those as input into a possible upcoming project. The Tools Architecture and Strategy Team held their first real-time meeting. The agenda was organization and obtaining some initial background. >    - Planning for sizable volunteer projects > > 5. Are there any unmet needs? >    - Open discussion > > 6. 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For some time now we=E2=80=99= ve had feature requests, bug fixes, and bigger picture issues coming = into the team from many sources. The current structure is good for broad = coordination but is not well suited to day-to-day decisionmaking. Based = on discussions with Robert and Jay, we=E2=80=99re going to try to = improve this situation. To achieve more focus on implementation, there will be a small, core = part of the team focused on implementation and a broader group that = includes the rest of the current tools team members and liaisons (what = we=E2=80=99re now going to call at-large members) who will continue to = help with coordination and input from their respective roles. The = broader group will continue to have regular coordination calls. The = implementation group will meet more frequently and have more intensive = interaction. Robert will become the chair of the tools team. The implementation group = will be: Robert, Henrik, Russ, Glen, Alexey, and Roman. Roman represents = the IESG and his slot may rotate among different IESG members at the = IESG=E2=80=99s discretion. We will setup tools-implementation@ietf.org = as the team=E2=80=99s mailing = list, which will have a public archive and allow non-subscribers to post = to it. The initial at-large members will be the rest of the existing tools team = members and liaisons:=20 Ben Campbell=20 Bob Hinden=20 =C3=89ric Vyncke=20 Jari Arkko=20 John Levine Julian Reschke=20 Rich Salz=20 Tero Kivinen=20 Tony Hansen=20 Alexa Morris=20 Alice Russo =20 Karen Moreland=20 Liz Flynn=20 Ryan Cross=20 Sandy Ginoza=20 Jay Daley The full team (implementation + at-large) will remain subscribed to = tools-development@ietf.org . Robert = will be the decisionmaker about future membership changes. If you no = longer wish to continue on the tools team, please let him know. I also wanted to express my huge thanks and appreciation to Russ for all = his years chairing the tools team, and to all of you for your continued = support of this work.=20 We can discuss the re-structure under AOB on the call today. After the = changes have been reflected in the datatracker and on the web site, = I=E2=80=99ll send a note to the community. Thanks, Alissa --Apple-Mail=_2C8E0679-8146-4ADC-8F71-24384BD5E96B Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi = all,

In order to = have a more streamlined process for implementation and prioritization = decisions around the IETF tools suite, we are going to be re-structuring = the IETF tools team somewhat. For some time now we=E2=80=99ve had = feature requests, bug fixes, and bigger picture issues coming into the = team from many sources. The current structure is good for broad = coordination but is not well suited to day-to-day decisionmaking. Based = on discussions with Robert and Jay, we=E2=80=99re going to try to = improve this situation.

To achieve more focus on implementation, = there will be a small, core part of the team focused on implementation = and a broader group that includes the rest of the current tools team = members and liaisons (what we=E2=80=99re now going to call at-large = members) who will continue to help with coordination and input from = their respective roles. The broader group will continue to have regular = coordination calls. The implementation group will meet more frequently = and have more intensive interaction.

Robert will become the chair of the = tools team. The implementation group will be: Robert, Henrik, Russ, = Glen, Alexey, and Roman. Roman represents the IESG and his slot may = rotate among different IESG members at the IESG=E2=80=99s discretion. We = will setup tools-implementation@ietf.org as the = team=E2=80=99s mailing list, which will have a public archive and allow = non-subscribers to post to it.

The initial at-large members will be = the rest of the existing tools team members and = liaisons: 
Ben = Campbell 
Bob Hinden 
=C3=89ric Vyncke 
Jari = Arkko 
John Levine
Julian = Reschke 
Rich Salz 
Tero Kivinen 
Tony = Hansen 
Alexa Morris 
Alice Russo  
Karen = Moreland 
Liz Flynn 
Ryan Cross 
Sandy = Ginoza 
Jay Daley
The full team (implementation + = at-large) will remain subscribed to tools-development@ietf.org. Robert will be = the decisionmaker about future membership changes. If you no longer wish = to continue on the tools team, please let him know.

I also wanted to express = my huge thanks and appreciation to Russ for all his years chairing the = tools team, and to all of you for your continued support of this = work. 

We = can discuss the re-structure under AOB on the call today. After the = changes have been reflected in the datatracker and on the web site, = I=E2=80=99ll send a note to the community.

Thanks,
Alissa


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nested within a
) that is blocking the publication of an RFC. This has been reported as ticket 508, and it is being investigated. - Investigating ways for Meetecho to be able to support virtual interim meetings and virtual IETF meetings. - Some people are asking for changes to the content of the .ics file on the upcoming meetings page. Additionally, there are calendaring related suggestions to consider in the feedback from the recent survey on planning for online IETF meetings. 2. Development Projects - A review session was held with the Secretariat on the new meeting schedule editor. The Secretariat asked for many improvements. They have been sent to IOLA. - Dashcare has started work on the automatic schedule generator. - ZX Security done an initial security review of the RPC code, and they have provided an initial set of comments. Discussion with the RPC staff is the next step. - Several Datatracker changes regarding interim meetings were made at the request of the IESG. (See many details at https://datatracker.ietf.org/release/). - We have a request from the IAB to allow their programs to request meetings and manage materials similar to IETF WGs/IRTF RGs. This has been implemented; it will be part of an upcoming release. - The Datatracker transition to Django2 is nearing completion. - The Wagtail portion of the IETF website has been upgraded to Django2 and a recent release of Wagtail. This required the removal of some local extensions to the deprecated Hallo editor. The transition of some of the extensions to the newer Draftrail is under investigation. It is now easier to keep the IETF website project aligned with new releases of Wagtail as they come out. - An instance of CodiMD has been deployed for experimentation. The IETF WG chairs were informed, but it has not seen much use yet. - A tool was provided to help advance the NomCom eligibility discussion. Real data is important to that discussion. 3. Operations Projects - Yesterday, the IETF website got a flood of malformed URLs. A filter is now in place to keep them from harming the site. - An experiment is just starting with fronting some of the proxied applications with nginx. If this works out well, the outer layer of Apache will be replaced by nginx, 4. Planning for upcoming projects - We have NOT issued the RFP for GitHub backups for two reasons. First, it is unclear there is anyone with a product that could bid. Second, Martin Thomson and Mike Bishop have created a bespoke solution that will likely serve our needs. It needs to be expanded to backup open Pull Requests, but once this is done, it looks like a promising way forward. - There have been several suggestions around a revision of the errata verification system. Robert is collecting requirements for a possible upcoming project. 5. Are there any unmet needs? - No unmet needs were reported to the Tool Team this month. 6. Other - Henrik Levkowetz will be the Tools Team advisor for the upcoming NomCom. - A virtual codesprint will take place on 19 May 2020. - The Tools Team is being re-structured into an implementation group and an at-large group. -- The new Tools Team chair will be Robert Sparks. -- The implementation group will be Robert Sparks, Henrik = Levkowetz, Russ Housley, Glen Barney, Alexey Melnikov, and Roman Danyliw. -- The at-large group will be Ben Campbell, Bob Hinden, =C3=89ric = Vyncke, Jari Arkko, John Levine, Julian Reschke, Rich Salz, Tero = Kivinen, Tony Hansen, Alexa Morris, Alice Russo, Karen Moreland, Liz = Flynn, Ryan Cross, Cindy Morgan, Sandy Ginoza, and Jay Daley. 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Hot Topics - Are tools issues blocking any documents? Alice notes that ticket number 508 involves an XML to RFC issue. Henrik = will fix the error.=20 - Are there any priority tool changes needed? Robert: We have a group working together to get to a place with better = support with Meetecho for either interim meetings or online full IETF = meetings. One aspect is ensuring there is a reasonably good user = experience for joining a meeting. We are working toward datatracker = integration and over the next couple of weeks we will see if we can get = to something with a single login. If that fails, we'll go back to = carrying a token to Meetecho from either the datatracker or the = registration system.=20 There have been a lot of requests about changing the behavior of the ICS = files and having it stop forgetting about meetings that have passed. Alissa: In the survey that we did about online meetings, the results of = which Jay posted yesterday, we got some comments about people wanting = some other ideas. It might be worth looking through comments there.=20 Russ: I found the ability to download an ics file for just a single = session very helpful. You have to open the datatracker page for that = session to see it but choosing the ones to put in your calendar is good. Robert: Our future list has a customizer similar to what we have for the = full meeting on the Upcoming Meetings page.=20 2. Development Projects - Contracted projects progress update and immediate plans The new meeting editor is on its way but not quite to a point where it = would be usable. We had a session with Secretariat and waiting for next = update from IOLA.=20 Dashcare has started work on the automated schedule generation project = and expected to conclude within the month. This project just suggests a = schedule.=20 ZX Security has started their security review. There are some comments = in the initial review that we'll be in touch with RPC to talk about = making changes. There are some potential vulnerability points to look = at.=20 We got a request from the IAB to have their programs behave more like = WGs, and the IESG's interim meeting changes are already deployed or in = progress. We are still working on converting the datatracker to Django = 2; Henrik ran javascript tests and got a failure in the latest round. = Something is unstable and needs to be fixed. It looks very close now.=20 The next big item will move datatracker on Postgress.=20 The Wagtail portion of the website is now upgraded to Django 2. We can = now stay in step with new Wagtail releases going forward. We had to = deprecate a few extensions that couldn't move to the new version so we = need to reimplement some functionality in the future.=20 We deployed an instance of CodiMD which has gotten some use but not = much. Robert will push the wgchairs list to see if anyone has used it.=20= - Volunteer projects progress update and immediate plans A virtual code sprint has been scheduled for May 19; from 10:00 EDT.=20 3. Operations Projects - Projects progress update and immediate plans Glen: We had an interesting server problem yesterday with heavy traffic = from malformed URLs. Apart from that, we're running very stable.=20 Glen has nginx set up on the server and we'll start working towards = gaining experience with it on some proxied applications. If successful = nginx will replace the outer layer of Apache. Right now you go through = an apache layer directly on the server that proxies to another apache = inside the application. That proxy has quite a lot of expense and the = community wisdom is that nginx does a more efficient job of proxying and = serving static assets. In the long run if this works out no one will = notice but the way we serve the websites will be more responsive.=20 4. Planning for upcoming projects - SoW under development - RFP progress update We have not issued the RFP for GitHub backups because 1) it's not clear = there's anyone who could respond; 2) we have a bespoke solution that is = likely going to cover our needs that's 95% done. For projects that have = integrated all of Martin Thomson's work, the repository contains a = continuously updated snapshot of the things we'd want to back up. Those = are things like text in issues and labels. The primary bit of data that = Mike Bishop's script is not yet pulling together is the content of open = pull requests, so the script just needs to be extended. It looks like = that's going to come together and be the solution we need and we won't = issue an RFP.=20 Permission is given as part of the pull request.=20 Although there are two different ways of doing the backups, once the = document authors or WG chairs add a URL to datatracker pages, the script = will build its backups based on that information and there should be no = manual intervention needed No other RFPs are in progress.=20 Henrik will be tools team advisor for the upcoming NomCom.=20 There have been several suggestions made in the last couple of months = around requirements for a revision of the errata verification system. I = am collecting those as input into a possible upcoming project. The Tools Architecture and Strategy Team held their first real-time = meeting. The agenda was organization and obtaining some initial = background. - Planning for sizable volunteer projects None discussed. 5. Are there any unmet needs? - None discussed. 6. Any Other Business We're going to be restructuring the tools team a bit to have a core = group focused on implementation who can work together more closely and = triage requirements coming in from the many different parts of the IETF = community. We're going to have an implementation group of six people = (Russ, Robert, Alexey, Henrik, Roman, Glen). The rest of us will be part = of an at-large group which continues to help with coordination and syncs = up on calls but won't be in on the day-to-day implementations = conversations. Robert will be assuming role of chair. Thanks to Russ for = his years of chairing this group.=20 Once the new mailing list is set up and the websites are updated, Alissa = will send a note to the community about these changes. > On May 11, 2020, at 10:11 AM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > My notes for tomorrow's call; >=20 > > 1. Hot Topics > > - Are tools issues blocking any documents? > > - Are there any priority tool changes needed? >=20 > * Building a good user experience with Meetecho for future interims > and online full meetings. > - We are still working through what a user will hand to webex to > "log in". Testing/evaluation of the experience with Oauth2 > depends on Django 2. We have two fallbacks ready - one that > utilizes personal api tokens from the datatracker, and one > that uses the old concept of providing a registration number. > Ryan is working towards an API endpoint in the datatracker that > will accept registration information as the registration system > gathers it. >=20 > * There were several requests to change the behavior of ics calendar > for meeting/upcoming. We are still reviewing how to best respond to > some of them. >=20 > > 2. Development Projects > > - Contracted projects progress update and immediate plans >=20 > We held a review session with the secretariat focusing on the new > meeting schedule editor. Liz asked for many improvements. A recording > of the session was sent to IOLA. >=20 > Dashcare has started work on the actual automatic schedule generator. >=20 > ZX Security has started the security review of the RPC code, and have > sent an initial set of comments. >=20 > We've made several changes to the datatracker at the IESGs request > focusing on interim meetings. These are already deployed (See > https://datatracker.ietf.org/release/). We have a request from the > IAB to allow programs to request meetings and manage materials similar > to working groups/research groups. This is implemented and will be > part of an upcoming release. >=20 > Work on converting the datatracker to Django 2 is nearing completion. >=20 > The wagtail portion of the website has been upgraded to Django 2 and > a recent release of wagtail. To do so, we removed the use and local > extensions to the deprecated Hallo editor. We should look at = reimplementing > some of those extensions in the newer drafttail framework. It is now = simpler > to keep the project aligned with new releases of wagtail as they come = out. >=20 > We deployed an instance of CodiMD on Heroku and notified the chairs = list. > It has not seen much use, and we haven't received any feedback past a = few > initial positive responses. I will push for more feedback from the = chairs. >=20 > We supplied a tool to help advance the NomCom eligibility discussions. >=20 > > - Volunteer projects progress update and immediate plans >=20 > We have scheduled an online sprint for 19May. >=20 > > > > 3. Operations Projects > > - Projects progress update and immediate plans >=20 > We will be experimenting with fronting some of the proxied = applications > with nginx in the next couple of weeks >=20 >=20 > > 4. Planning for upcoming projects > > - SoW under development > > - RFP progress update >=20 > We have not issued the RFP for github backups for two reasons: > It's not clear there is anyone with a product that could bid, and > Martin Thomson and Mike Bishop have created most of a (bespoke) > solution that will likely serve our needs. >=20 > Henrik will be the tools team advisor for the upcoming NomCom. >=20 > There have been several suggestions made in the last couple of > months around requirements for a revision of the errata verification > system. I am collecting those as input into a possible upcoming > project. >=20 > The Tools Architecture and Strategy Team held their first real-time > meeting. The agenda was organization and obtaining some initial > background. >=20 >=20 > > - Planning for sizable volunteer projects > > > > 5. Are there any unmet needs? > > - Open discussion > > > > 6. Any Other Business >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Fri May 29 00:39:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33C213A0C68 for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 00:39:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XZnErl_1ozZy for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 00:39:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chinatelecom.cn (prt-mail.chinatelecom.cn [42.123.76.228]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 599083A0C7A for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 00:39:30 -0700 (PDT) HMM_SOURCE_IP: 172.18.0.218:23798.283211809 HMM_ATTACHE_NUM: 0000 HMM_SOURCE_TYPE: SMTP Received: from clientip-122.115.226.200?logid-65601c1295fc40c7ae5608212963f29b (unknown [172.18.0.218]) by chinatelecom.cn (HERMES) with SMTP id 4FF4D2800FA for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 15:39:11 +0800 (CST) X-189-SAVE-TO-SEND: 66040164@chinatelecom.cn Received: from ([172.18.0.218]) by App0025 with ESMTP id 65601c1295fc40c7ae5608212963f29b for tools-development@ietf.org; Fri May 29 15:39:17 2020 X-Transaction-ID: 65601c1295fc40c7ae5608212963f29b X-filter-score: filter<0> X-Real-From: wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn X-Receive-IP: 172.18.0.218 X-MEDUSA-Status: 0 Sender: wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn From: "Aijun Wang" To: Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 15:39:07 +0800 Message-ID: <00b101d6358c$41e50530$c5af0f90$@cn> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B2_01D635CF.50084530" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AdY1jDvJ6N19fIpuSsWaW1+uoUFk3w== Content-Language: zh-cn Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] About the mail subscrbtion for BIER and 6MAN X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 07:39:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00B2_01D635CF.50084530 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Experts: I want to subscribe to mail list of BIER and 6MAN WG, but have not received any response when I send the application mail to the address that indicated in WG info page. 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Hi, = Experts:

 

I want to subscribe to mail list of BIER and 6MAN WG, but = have not received any response when I send the application mail to the = address that indicated in WG info page.

Can anyone tell me what is the = reason? I ask the chair of these two WGs, and have not solved = yet.

I can = subscribe and receive other mail list of IETF = WGs.

I have = tried the mail address wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn and = wangaiun@tsinghua.org.cn, = but all are not succeed.

 

Thanks in advance for your help.

 

Best = Regards.

 

Aijun Wang

China Telecom

 

 

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You can provide the = email address that you want to use for the subscription on that = form.

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On May 29, 2020, at 3:39 AM, Aijun Wang <wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn> wrote:

Hi, Experts:
 
I want to = subscribe to mail list of BIER and 6MAN WG, but have not received any = response when I send the application mail to the address that indicated = in WG info page.
Can = anyone tell me what is the reason? I ask the chair of these two WGs, and = have not solved yet.
I can subscribe and receive other mail list of IETF WGs.
I have tried the = mail address wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn and wangaiun@tsinghua.org.cn, = but all are not succeed.
 
Thanks = in advance for your help.
 
Best = Regards.
 
Aijun Wang
China = Telecom
 
 
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([2601:647:5a00:ef0b:e8f0:836d:9c33:de2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p7sm10351668wro.26.2020.05.29.08.18.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 29 May 2020 08:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Bob Hinden Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_95360A5A-10B1-475E-A486-7215D3BA27A1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 08:18:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: <93703D2D-B0B5-4C14-AA65-63CA44A884F6@vigilsec.com> Cc: Bob Hinden , Aijun Wang , IETF Tools Development To: Russ Housley References: <00b101d6358c$41e50530$c5af0f90$@cn> <93703D2D-B0B5-4C14-AA65-63CA44A884F6@vigilsec.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] About the mail subscrbtion for BIER and 6MAN X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 15:18:29 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_95360A5A-10B1-475E-A486-7215D3BA27A1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 BTW, it=E2=80=99s the ipv6 list for 6man: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ipv6 as indicated here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/6man/about/ Also, my admin access to that list stopped working, I am working to get = that restored. Bob > On May 29, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Russ Housley = wrote: >=20 > Try going to: >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/bier >=20 > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/6man >=20 > You can provide the email address that you want to use for the = subscription on that form. >=20 > Good luck, > Russ >=20 >=20 >> On May 29, 2020, at 3:39 AM, Aijun Wang = wrote: >>=20 >> Hi, Experts: >>=20 >> I want to subscribe to mail list of BIER and 6MAN WG, but have not = received any response when I send the application mail to the address = that indicated in WG info page. >> Can anyone tell me what is the reason? I ask the chair of these two = WGs, and have not solved yet. >> I can subscribe and receive other mail list of IETF WGs. >> I have tried the mail address wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn and = wangaiun@tsinghua.org.cn, but all are not succeed. >>=20 >> Thanks in advance for your help. >>=20 >> Best Regards. >>=20 >> Aijun Wang >> China Telecom >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --Apple-Mail=_95360A5A-10B1-475E-A486-7215D3BA27A1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=signature.asc Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Message signed with OpenPGP -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEm0rfRsOCoyamPexGrut0EXfnu6gFAl7RJ7wACgkQrut0EXfn u6hILwgAmynhHf/MlDcJLvgBzaNZm0FwDxOWhDVVwdiZ7wsphKekYcYqzvWkOzwO QzsX/EWxZktt3AU/8BKa5kRK+7kSitvB+CiCCwkrddhDRefQjybLaaq0eSvg+hVC /iHf5v8VCh2++d30OHYlFEoX/UaMRHQBK4nYhi1u4SFs4QqiO9Xoj7gowCVzKf31 12yqTgrOQfFfzRcUj+0e5klyJZ0W5pI8WLd2s+GYVO9aRNprgPncgcP1H62cM0ev Px/+CU38WTAFis4piFDUBix5w9Pri2M5+QiDbTgmi1UpUrHbsAsLpFuCtHTVR6ps rV9yHONh+CJodUJsqHZMLaGtgbDthA== =ohrp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Apple-Mail=_95360A5A-10B1-475E-A486-7215D3BA27A1-- From nobody Fri May 29 08:32:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16BB33A0C4E for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 08:32:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HYDmLJjttynC for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 08:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 89D4D3A0C52 for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 08:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B10720339B for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 08:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot1-f42.google.com (mail-ot1-f42.google.com [209.85.210.42]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43A9920339A for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 08:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot1-f42.google.com with SMTP id h7so2245884otr.3 for ; Fri, 29 May 2020 08:32:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532LYO9dNOsCPaFdy1JBfJFDit+tQ9BsFSrivFOKAIibd5vZA6sr wboXjeIWtnf+HP2ROSDmtIMFGL3E1X1kXXfEljM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxMZN6NpNhfO8Orv+0sbv15HSz/Qm5J853/s/S4c4bLjuci8I2qi+gvHsqn6NhGkfdnOhDNXxhZYZUubHnz5Jw= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:64d3:: with SMTP id n19mr6287389otl.189.1590766358683; Fri, 29 May 2020 08:32:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00b101d6358c$41e50530$c5af0f90$@cn> <93703D2D-B0B5-4C14-AA65-63CA44A884F6@vigilsec.com> In-Reply-To: From: Glen Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 08:32:26 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Bob Hinden , Aijun Wang Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] About the mail subscrbtion for BIER and 6MAN X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 15:32:45 -0000 Responding to two messages in one here... On May 29, 2020, at 3:39 AM, Aijun Wang wrote: > Hi, Experts: > I want to subscribe to mail list of BIER and 6MAN WG, As Bob already mentioned, there is no list called "6MAN" - you want the IPV6 list. > but have not received any response when I send the application mail to the address that indicated in WG info page. Can anyone tell me what is the reason? You would need to tell us exactly what addresses you actually sent to. I've checked the mail logs for the past 48 hours, and see only this message coming in from you. > I ask the chair of these two WGs, and have not solved yet. Generally, if you're having system problems, you should ask the IETF IT Team, at: ietf-action@Ietf.org , which is me. The tools-development list is generally used to talk about the development of new IETF tools. > I can subscribe and receive other mail list of IETF WGs. That... doesn't seem to be the case. Your wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn is not on ANY IETF WG lists at this time. This makes me wonder if something is blocking your ability to subscribe from your chinatelecom.cn address? > I have tried the mail address wangaj3@chinatelecom.cn and wangaiun@tsinghua.org.cn, but all are not succeed. I do see your tsinghua.org.cn address on a number of other lists... but I don't see any subscribe attempts from that address in the past 48 hours either. If you will email me privately at: glen@amsl.com I will be happy to get your subscription issues sorted out. Bob - On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 8:18 AM Bob Hinden wrote: > Also, my admin access to that list stopped working, I am working to get that restored. I'm taking care of your password reset right now. Glen