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I have a draft agenda and beginning of notes at . Coordinates for the call are on that page. Please bash the agenda, and add notes for any sections you can speak to. 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Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Jan 12 10:08:38 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DA23A0E88 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:08:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.341 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.341 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.262, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zEbm1khVlnNa for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBCF33A0E84 for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:08:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.1.92]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 10CI8XYe055829 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:08:34 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1610474914; bh=V+k7B964Cs7xSuL0G+sHXa01Fp2souv8GTYr4hDh+Gk=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=MgYe83x9rQbPDc9eJLPFdCA6syFMu7TZ2PYeyRd2j2FXoejiGpBuJnoPLzUbFbBnV GMSHlagN+hNtvwy+iRqVwET40YDlf1z872Zrg1b6EIuanQawbOzaXPMKEA9YWkoarF c21U24ezGj7IZGG1TddWQ74owinRq6FH3/quSZdM= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.1.92] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: tools-development@ietf.org References: <09b00402-221e-64c8-0042-868c6f4d5551@nostrum.com> <8a658a2b-0de7-e645-86ea-7e4d7f217e1d@gmx.de> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 12:08:28 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <8a658a2b-0de7-e645-86ea-7e4d7f217e1d@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools call 12 Jan X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:08:37 -0000 It is an hour later - the codimd note was incorrect and has been adjusted. The tools calendar is correct (https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/ietf.org_g4f732f5cdhl2to81jis83ch9s%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics). RjS On 1/12/21 12:05 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > Am 08.01.2021 um 20:26 schrieb Robert Sparks: >> We have a tools call next Tuesday. >> >> I have a draft agenda and beginning of notes at >> . >> >> Coordinates for the call are on that page. >> >> Please bash the agenda, and add notes for any sections you can speak to. >> >> RjS > > Hm, agenda says 18:00 UTC (which would be now), but Webex says it's an > our later? > > Best regards, Julian > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Fri Jan 15 08:37:46 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13F5B3A0CFA; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:37:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8dSpTy9Zrgda; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-ua1-x92c.google.com (mail-ua1-x92c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::92c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AF1783A0CF9; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-ua1-x92c.google.com with SMTP id n18so3084866ual.9; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:37:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=MiSyiyQLov0ncq/UZ96ygyp2Ox4jG2kxDW2KWlKmWXU=; b=q3WnOgCcYleBQGPFh/w5Ggewte1N11NDl+tmCdhFY+gXuedsYgL1DoD1w/XxpW/pnB ThvE20hHND8qGG2hE6/Hjga+VisZDR2R3MPuJ+3Gi9SVaa14jRJTwIo2PBpfxwlNZW7a 5IPkMEgQPnCciSDjxNVdv9VEbIcZnBw9hxi1K1LU7T1Z3dzGUpHBy9IXx1Lh7NhTchjD uOwAj5rkz1JYSQRb5+xLycjNzZipyLBN+vp3GcgEMigDQUCUsjMqzccBmniu4M5hLRbm JHEBsyTE/TQLje9w+/9sB65zxVRYxC3SCn/BhuAkbwwZ+MQXl/F/m7/jKmheHGX6VwjF aybg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=MiSyiyQLov0ncq/UZ96ygyp2Ox4jG2kxDW2KWlKmWXU=; b=FY94tYhdjwsidLdcv+dVDQQjaz0SIh54UIRrOzrlqTuJBgO2CJZyDSbYwi2eeqjIIa lX3mveXBLMHUhlRrn/PpbsjqDyPVMW/YKgYwGjlRVv5LAnC/uKoX8Jm6N/EyVxCchbTt IYpwy51/YmM86cz/Xzao2Jaopkpxfr6EOBeXra7GsWhPLPk88Uf/x9cnDADh0ob5exUa UfD0vLLZQS1SIaLZsVyTe7/fpEVRRzYyowIidDnoNywJ+XBcXJFv/iVdS6WDpCopgRO+ A9mnlv4wI347wTgiCBwSKPzsDJxh6J9kW6VFA4jIiqHl8XwFrVru+xeQPFLKvvtR0n6E w7Fg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532O2QzWh6uanTFLdaFOSf4Eb8bCd+MGD0HGb5fAl/x+1xnPbzGE /xy3H+2u74q9EMGgMRAdLcy7eYGJRvzw9g+7oi7BJd7n X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxGTYlwKvS9so08hWCjKQVYluJuOBH3JLN15EyrlW4hu0aHjolIXN5xYJfKJXjLR3NmJw8EtGA/+gyEdoScloA= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:48ed:: with SMTP id y42mr10379043uac.3.1610728662577; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 08:37:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Kathleen Moriarty Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 11:37:06 -0500 Message-ID: To: Henrik Levkowetz , Benjamin Kaduk Cc: IETF Tools Development , Trustees Trustees Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c336ec05b8f2fd14" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: PKCS#9 and #10 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 16:37:45 -0000 --000000000000c336ec05b8f2fd14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hello, Is there any way we can address this? Ben, current AD is assuming the transfer didn't happen even though it was complete. There's no marker attached to the datatracker record to indicate the transfer for these 2 documents happened. Thank you, Kathleen On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:00 PM Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Hi Kathleen, > > On 2019-07-30 21:29, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I am not sure how I can attach this change in the copyright and change > > control status to RFC2985 and RFC2986. The IPR disclosure page doesn't > > quite fit as the license is specific to the standard and opening it up > > further for use. For the other PKCS documents, we did a revision of the > > RFC. I'd like this to not be lost with me and for others doing work with > > these standards to know that it is fine for them to do so. Any ideas? > > IPR declarations carry forward through "obsoletes" and "replaces" document > relationships, so if a new RFC marks the previous one as obsoleted, the > IPR declaration should show up for any new RFCs for the same standard. > > Registering the change for the current RFCs seems to be the right thing > to do. > > > Best regards, > > Henrik > > -- Best regards, Kathleen --000000000000c336ec05b8f2fd14 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,

Is there any way we can address = this?=C2=A0 Ben, current AD is assuming the transfer=C2=A0didn't happen= even though it was complete.=C2=A0 There's no marker attached to the d= atatracker record to indicate the transfer for these 2 documents happened.<= /div>

Thank you,
Kathleen

On Wed, Jul 31,= 2019 at 12:00 PM Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:
Hi Kathleen,

On 2019-07-30 21:29, Kathleen Moriarty wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I am not sure how I can attach this change in the copyright and change=
> control status to RFC2985 and RFC2986.=C2=A0 The IPR disclosure page d= oesn't
> quite fit as the license is specific to the standard and opening it up=
> further for use.=C2=A0 For the other PKCS documents, we did a revision= of the
> RFC.=C2=A0 I'd like this to not be lost with me and for others doi= ng work with
> these standards to know that it is fine for them to do so.=C2=A0 Any i= deas?

IPR declarations carry forward through "obsoletes" and "repl= aces" document
relationships, so if a new RFC marks the previous one as obsoleted, the
IPR declaration should show up for any new RFCs for the same standard.

Registering the change for the current RFCs seems to be the right thing
to do.


Best regards,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Henrik



--

Best regards,
Kathleen
--000000000000c336ec05b8f2fd14-- From nobody Fri Jan 15 13:24:53 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB07F3A11D6; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:24:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.931 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.931 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.009, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.262, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t8pRLaCBtqqg; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 344B93A0AE6; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:24:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.1.92]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 10FLODd6074523 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Jan 2021 15:24:14 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1610745855; bh=m1rNkrQgJuWLbUmqm84A8r860akL7hDur6TbhFZYiCI=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=FsP3REP9bxQ65QDikkTEJdeQXmlS8nqG0J5xnaBbA/Pxuj6TRz0AfBfcy7Dgbo9nv RISELyjEzO9vRX3ynwqy4DNWucUgmu4TmtbrtKcoiwNpcpsRpkTJ1XgOtG/fE3GvBJ zK1vRaikBSMJQI6CluEDpQss+n2NwGX8VXsPFdvs= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.1.92] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: Kathleen Moriarty , Henrik Levkowetz , Benjamin Kaduk Cc: Trustees Trustees , IETF Tools Development References: From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 15:24:08 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------31CCF11F4B4D2A6BE82F72D0" Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: PKCS#9 and #10 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 21:24:20 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------31CCF11F4B4D2A6BE82F72D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There's been context-away. As Henrik suggested, you _could_ enter them as IPR disclosures (with the pdf as an attachment), and those would come up in searches on any documents that obsoleted/modified these. Why does that not seem the right thing to do? RjS On 1/15/21 10:37 AM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > Hello, > > Is there any way we can address this?  Ben, current AD is assuming the > transfer didn't happen even though it was complete.  There's no marker > attached to the datatracker record to indicate the transfer for these > 2 documents happened. > > Thank you, > Kathleen > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:00 PM Henrik Levkowetz > > wrote: > > Hi Kathleen, > > On 2019-07-30 21:29, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > > Hello! > > > > I am not sure how I can attach this change in the copyright and > change > > control status to RFC2985 and RFC2986.  The IPR disclosure page > doesn't > > quite fit as the license is specific to the standard and opening > it up > > further for use.  For the other PKCS documents, we did a > revision of the > > RFC.  I'd like this to not be lost with me and for others doing > work with > > these standards to know that it is fine for them to do so.  Any > ideas? > > IPR declarations carry forward through "obsoletes" and "replaces" > document > relationships, so if a new RFC marks the previous one as > obsoleted, the > IPR declaration should show up for any new RFCs for the same standard. > > Registering the change for the current RFCs seems to be the right > thing > to do. > > > Best regards, > >         Henrik > > > > -- > > Best regards, > Kathleen > > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development --------------31CCF11F4B4D2A6BE82F72D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

There's been context-away.

As Henrik suggested, you _could_ enter them as IPR disclosures (with the pdf as an attachment), and those would come up in searches on any documents that obsoleted/modified these.

Why does that not seem the right thing to do?

RjS

On 1/15/21 10:37 AM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote:
Hello,

Is there any way we can address this?  Ben, current AD is assuming the transfer didn't happen even though it was complete.  There's no marker attached to the datatracker record to indicate the transfer for these 2 documents happened.

Thank you,
Kathleen

On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:00 PM Henrik Levkowetz <henrik@levkowetz.com> wrote:
Hi Kathleen,

On 2019-07-30 21:29, Kathleen Moriarty wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I am not sure how I can attach this change in the copyright and change
> control status to RFC2985 and RFC2986.  The IPR disclosure page doesn't
> quite fit as the license is specific to the standard and opening it up
> further for use.  For the other PKCS documents, we did a revision of the
> RFC.  I'd like this to not be lost with me and for others doing work with
> these standards to know that it is fine for them to do so.  Any ideas?

IPR declarations carry forward through "obsoletes" and "replaces" document
relationships, so if a new RFC marks the previous one as obsoleted, the
IPR declaration should show up for any new RFCs for the same standard.

Registering the change for the current RFCs seems to be the right thing
to do.


Best regards,

        Henrik



--

Best regards,
Kathleen

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--------------31CCF11F4B4D2A6BE82F72D0-- From nobody Fri Jan 15 13:31:48 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93ED73A11E4; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:31:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.919 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.919 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yJPaCC899tSa; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F46A3A11DD; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:31:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from kduck.mit.edu ([24.16.140.251]) (authenticated bits=56) (User authenticated as kaduk@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.14.7/8.12.4) with ESMTP id 10FLVWHl031489 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 15 Jan 2021 16:31:37 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:31:32 -0800 From: Benjamin Kaduk To: Robert Sparks Cc: Kathleen Moriarty , Henrik Levkowetz , Trustees Trustees , IETF Tools Development Message-ID: <20210115213132.GQ21@kduck.mit.edu> References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: PKCS#9 and #10 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 21:31:43 -0000 To reintroduce a smidgeon more context, I kicked things into motion by noting that https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/discusses/ lists a document as having a 1031-day-old Discuss, and looking at the ballot positions indicates that there was a need to follow up on the licensing. I am not 100% confident that I would think to look at the IPR declarations against that document to attempt to resolve such a situation, but I also don't have any better ideas for where to put something in a mechanical way (i.e., that doesn't rely on the possibly-former AD updating a ballot position). -Ben On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 03:24:08PM -0600, Robert Sparks wrote: > There's been context-away. > > As Henrik suggested, you _could_ enter them as IPR disclosures (with the > pdf as an attachment), and those would come up in searches on any > documents that obsoleted/modified these. > > Why does that not seem the right thing to do? > > RjS > > On 1/15/21 10:37 AM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Is there any way we can address this?  Ben, current AD is assuming the > > transfer didn't happen even though it was complete.  There's no marker > > attached to the datatracker record to indicate the transfer for these > > 2 documents happened. > > > > Thank you, > > Kathleen > > > > On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:00 PM Henrik Levkowetz > > > wrote: > > > > Hi Kathleen, > > > > On 2019-07-30 21:29, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > > > Hello! > > > > > > I am not sure how I can attach this change in the copyright and > > change > > > control status to RFC2985 and RFC2986.  The IPR disclosure page > > doesn't > > > quite fit as the license is specific to the standard and opening > > it up > > > further for use.  For the other PKCS documents, we did a > > revision of the > > > RFC.  I'd like this to not be lost with me and for others doing > > work with > > > these standards to know that it is fine for them to do so.  Any > > ideas? > > > > IPR declarations carry forward through "obsoletes" and "replaces" > > document > > relationships, so if a new RFC marks the previous one as > > obsoleted, the > > IPR declaration should show up for any new RFCs for the same standard. > > > > Registering the change for the current RFCs seems to be the right > > thing > > to do. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > >         Henrik > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Best regards, > > Kathleen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Fri Jan 15 13:45:31 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBAF83A1206; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:45:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.932 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.932 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, KHOP_HELO_FCRDNS=0.009, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.262, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EnldbIKHXO6k; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:45:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2267C3A1275; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:44:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.1.92]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 10FLiIrU081998 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 15 Jan 2021 15:44:18 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1610747059; bh=Fj9wxZfKyIffGymIZRog4biWOuTKTNBrF8I8MjoJ5sc=; h=To:Cc:References:From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To; b=wM863sITzTBYSzavCeEowS141DQ2k7+K5XdZXk07u2BrESgr0xHtoWJEYYyqM9lh7 ZX2AGKmSF12oqJyItiwfZZUvVhRlPAgf8zaNjMCUG3mKIEeGZqveVdUiNrEB1anjsV TwASTjVLXHYYj8q+CBijX4Xm+b43EKt+CducAUEU= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.1.92] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: Benjamin Kaduk Cc: Kathleen Moriarty , Henrik Levkowetz , Trustees Trustees , IETF Tools Development References: <20210115213132.GQ21@kduck.mit.edu> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 15:44:13 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20210115213132.GQ21@kduck.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Fwd: PKCS#9 and #10 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 21:45:30 -0000 If the audience is only the IESG (or future IESGs), adding comments to=20 each of the documents with a pointer to a place where the pdf lives=20 might be enough. There's not a mechanic for capturing a pdf (or any=20 file) as a comment on a doc. But if the audience is people looking at the main page of the documents, = then the IPR disclosure path is the best I can thing of so far. If the trust had a place they wanted to put documents like this where=20 the public could see them via URL, you could add an additonalURL to the=20 documents pointing to it. I've wondered where the trust keeps grants on=20 pre-5378 documents for example - might be nice if those were public if=20 possible. RjS On 1/15/21 3:31 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > To reintroduce a smidgeon more context, I kicked things into motion by > noting that https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/discusses/ lists a docume= nt > as having a 1031-day-old Discuss, and looking at the ballot positions > indicates that there was a need to follow up on the licensing. > > I am not 100% confident that I would think to look at the IPR declarati= ons > against that document to attempt to resolve such a situation, but I als= o > don't have any better ideas for where to put something in a mechanical = way > (i.e., that doesn't rely on the possibly-former AD updating a ballot > position). > > -Ben > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 03:24:08PM -0600, Robert Sparks wrote: >> There's been context-away. >> >> As Henrik suggested, you _could_ enter them as IPR disclosures (with t= he >> pdf as an attachment), and those would come up in searches on any >> documents that obsoleted/modified these. >> >> Why does that not seem the right thing to do? >> >> RjS >> >> On 1/15/21 10:37 AM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> Is there any way we can address this?=C2=A0 Ben, current AD is assumi= ng the >>> transfer=C2=A0didn't happen even though it was complete.=C2=A0 There'= s no marker >>> attached to the datatracker record to indicate the transfer for these= >>> 2 documents happened. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Kathleen >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:00 PM Henrik Levkowetz >>> > wrote: >>> >>> Hi Kathleen, >>> >>> On 2019-07-30 21:29, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: >>> > Hello! >>> > >>> > I am not sure how I can attach this change in the copyright an= d >>> change >>> > control status to RFC2985 and RFC2986.=C2=A0 The IPR disclosur= e page >>> doesn't >>> > quite fit as the license is specific to the standard and openi= ng >>> it up >>> > further for use.=C2=A0 For the other PKCS documents, we did a >>> revision of the >>> > RFC.=C2=A0 I'd like this to not be lost with me and for others= doing >>> work with >>> > these standards to know that it is fine for them to do so.=C2=A0= Any >>> ideas? >>> >>> IPR declarations carry forward through "obsoletes" and "replaces= " >>> document >>> relationships, so if a new RFC marks the previous one as >>> obsoleted, the >>> IPR declaration should show up for any new RFCs for the same sta= ndard. >>> >>> Registering the change for the current RFCs seems to be the righ= t >>> thing >>> to do. >>> >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Henrik >>> >>> >>> >>> --=20 >>> >>> Best regards, >>> Kathleen >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Fri Jan 15 13:57:41 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B17263A127C; Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:57:30 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Message-ID: <0161458e-b23f-76e5-83f7-bc0c3c379fa9@nostrum.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 16:05:04 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <174520CB-0B80-470B-9888-4311E0639AB1@stewe.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [Trustees] Fwd: PKCS#9 and #10 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 22:05:14 -0000 Well, we've got two trustees on the thread so far :) Can one of you take the token to find out if the trust is willing to publicly home this document (and maybe others), and if so, let us know how to point to it? Then the "Additional Resources" approach  approach would work with no further datatracker changes. RjS On 1/15/21 3:57 PM, Stephan Wenger wrote: > It is my understanding that the IETF's IPR disclosure mechanism is primarily (exclusively?) targeted towards patent IP. I'm not sure that adding a copyright-related disclosure into a patent database increases transparency. OTOH, the Trust's web page is primarily concerned about copyright (and trademark) rights. Insofar, it may be better if we find an appropriate home on the Trust webpage for this. > Stephan > > > On 1/15/21, 13:46, "Trustees on behalf of Robert Sparks" wrote: > > If the audience is only the IESG (or future IESGs), adding comments to > each of the documents with a pointer to a place where the pdf lives > might be enough. There's not a mechanic for capturing a pdf (or any > file) as a comment on a doc. > > But if the audience is people looking at the main page of the documents, > then the IPR disclosure path is the best I can thing of so far. > > If the trust had a place they wanted to put documents like this where > the public could see them via URL, you could add an additonalURL to the > documents pointing to it. I've wondered where the trust keeps grants on > pre-5378 documents for example - might be nice if those were public if > possible. > > RjS > > On 1/15/21 3:31 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: > > To reintroduce a smidgeon more context, I kicked things into motion by > > noting that https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/discusses/ lists a document > > as having a 1031-day-old Discuss, and looking at the ballot positions > > indicates that there was a need to follow up on the licensing. > > > > I am not 100% confident that I would think to look at the IPR declarations > > against that document to attempt to resolve such a situation, but I also > > don't have any better ideas for where to put something in a mechanical way > > (i.e., that doesn't rely on the possibly-former AD updating a ballot > > position). > > > > -Ben > > > > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 03:24:08PM -0600, Robert Sparks wrote: > >> There's been context-away. > >> > >> As Henrik suggested, you _could_ enter them as IPR disclosures (with the > >> pdf as an attachment), and those would come up in searches on any > >> documents that obsoleted/modified these. > >> > >> Why does that not seem the right thing to do? > >> > >> RjS > >> > >> On 1/15/21 10:37 AM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > >>> Hello, > >>> > >>> Is there any way we can address this? Ben, current AD is assuming the > >>> transfer didn't happen even though it was complete. There's no marker > >>> attached to the datatracker record to indicate the transfer for these > >>> 2 documents happened. > >>> > >>> Thank you, > >>> Kathleen > >>> > >>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:00 PM Henrik Levkowetz > >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Hi Kathleen, > >>> > >>> On 2019-07-30 21:29, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: > >>> > Hello! > >>> > > >>> > I am not sure how I can attach this change in the copyright and > >>> change > >>> > control status to RFC2985 and RFC2986. The IPR disclosure page > >>> doesn't > >>> > quite fit as the license is specific to the standard and opening > >>> it up > >>> > further for use. For the other PKCS documents, we did a > >>> revision of the > >>> > RFC. I'd like this to not be lost with me and for others doing > >>> work with > >>> > these standards to know that it is fine for them to do so. Any > >>> ideas? > >>> > >>> IPR declarations carry forward through "obsoletes" and "replaces" > >>> document > >>> relationships, so if a new RFC marks the previous one as > >>> obsoleted, the > >>> IPR declaration should show up for any new RFCs for the same standard. > >>> > >>> Registering the change for the current RFCs seems to be the right > >>> thing > >>> to do. > >>> > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> > >>> Henrik > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Kathleen > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > >>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development > > _______________________________________________ > Trustees mailing list > Trustees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trustees > From nobody Fri Jan 15 14:06:29 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from 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X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 03:24:17 -0000 >> I've wondered where the trust keeps grants on pre-5378 documents >> for example - might be nice if those were public if possible. At the moment, nowhere, which I believe is yet another oversight for the trust to clean up. The trust has a nice new web site and I think it would be easy enough to add another page in the Assets section to list copyright assignments beyond the general BCP 78 rights and we could put it there. Somewhere we have a bunch of assignments from the outhors of some old RFCs which should go there, too. I agree this does not make sense as an IPR disclosure since those are intended for patents. Regards, John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Taughannock Networks, Trumansburg NY Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly From nobody Sat Jan 16 06:31:25 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B0C253A0D71 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 06:31:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.896 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.896 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FVPIyB7BQ1iT for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 06:31:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA31D3A17B1 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 06:31:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114CC300BD0 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:31:20 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id LAFOscUOtAwA for ; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:31:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-141-156-161-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net [141.156.161.153]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F4202300B0D; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:31:15 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <174520CB-0B80-470B-9888-4311E0639AB1@stewe.org> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:31:17 -0500 Cc: Ben Kaduk , IETF Trustees , IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20210115213132.GQ21@kduck.mit.edu> <174520CB-0B80-470B-9888-4311E0639AB1@stewe.org> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] [Trustees] Fwd: PKCS#9 and #10 X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 14:31:25 -0000 This is about transfer of change control. For RFC 5208, the fact that = the transfer had taken place was put in the document itself. Now, = people want a way to save a companion document that is a PDF that = actually makes the transfer. I agree that these need to be kept = somewheer, and the current IPR system is not the place because this = transfer has nothing to do with patents. Russ > On Jan 15, 2021, at 4:57 PM, Stephan Wenger wrote: >=20 > It is my understanding that the IETF's IPR disclosure mechanism is = primarily (exclusively?) targeted towards patent IP. I'm not sure that = adding a copyright-related disclosure into a patent database increases = transparency. OTOH, the Trust's web page is primarily concerned about = copyright (and trademark) rights. Insofar, it may be better if we find = an appropriate home on the Trust webpage for this. > Stephan >=20 >=20 > =EF=BB=BFOn 1/15/21, 13:46, "Trustees on behalf of Robert Sparks" = wrote: >=20 > If the audience is only the IESG (or future IESGs), adding comments = to=20 > each of the documents with a pointer to a place where the pdf lives=20= > might be enough. There's not a mechanic for capturing a pdf (or any=20= > file) as a comment on a doc. >=20 > But if the audience is people looking at the main page of the = documents,=20 > then the IPR disclosure path is the best I can thing of so far. >=20 > If the trust had a place they wanted to put documents like this = where=20 > the public could see them via URL, you could add an additonalURL to = the=20 > documents pointing to it. I've wondered where the trust keeps = grants on=20 > pre-5378 documents for example - might be nice if those were public = if=20 > possible. >=20 > RjS >=20 > On 1/15/21 3:31 PM, Benjamin Kaduk wrote: >> To reintroduce a smidgeon more context, I kicked things into motion = by >> noting that https://datatracker.ietf.org/iesg/discusses/ lists a = document >> as having a 1031-day-old Discuss, and looking at the ballot positions >> indicates that there was a need to follow up on the licensing. >>=20 >> I am not 100% confident that I would think to look at the IPR = declarations >> against that document to attempt to resolve such a situation, but I = also >> don't have any better ideas for where to put something in a = mechanical way >> (i.e., that doesn't rely on the possibly-former AD updating a ballot >> position). >>=20 >> -Ben >>=20 >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 03:24:08PM -0600, Robert Sparks wrote: >>> There's been context-away. >>>=20 >>> As Henrik suggested, you _could_ enter them as IPR disclosures (with = the >>> pdf as an attachment), and those would come up in searches on any >>> documents that obsoleted/modified these. >>>=20 >>> Why does that not seem the right thing to do? >>>=20 >>> RjS >>>=20 >>> On 1/15/21 10:37 AM, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>>=20 >>>> Is there any way we can address this? Ben, current AD is assuming = the >>>> transfer didn't happen even though it was complete. There's no = marker >>>> attached to the datatracker record to indicate the transfer for = these >>>> 2 documents happened. >>>>=20 >>>> Thank you, >>>> Kathleen >>>>=20 >>>> On Wed, Jul 31, 2019 at 12:00 PM Henrik Levkowetz >>>> > wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Hi Kathleen, >>>>=20 >>>> On 2019-07-30 21:29, Kathleen Moriarty wrote: >>>>> Hello! >>>>>=20 >>>>> I am not sure how I can attach this change in the copyright and >>>> change >>>>> control status to RFC2985 and RFC2986. The IPR disclosure page >>>> doesn't >>>>> quite fit as the license is specific to the standard and opening >>>> it up >>>>> further for use. For the other PKCS documents, we did a >>>> revision of the >>>>> RFC. I'd like this to not be lost with me and for others doing >>>> work with >>>>> these standards to know that it is fine for them to do so. Any >>>> ideas? >>>>=20 >>>> IPR declarations carry forward through "obsoletes" and = "replaces" >>>> document >>>> relationships, so if a new RFC marks the previous one as >>>> obsoleted, the >>>> IPR declaration should show up for any new RFCs for the same = standard. >>>>=20 >>>> Registering the change for the current RFCs seems to be the = right >>>> thing >>>> to do. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Best regards, >>>>=20 >>>> Henrik >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> --=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Best regards, >>>> Kathleen >>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list >>>> TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Trustees mailing list > Trustees@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/trustees >=20 > _______________________________________________ > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT mailing list > TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-development From nobody Sat Jan 16 08:06:10 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA6B3A1861; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 08:06:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nbcuni.onmicrosoft.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qri67cmtXHpS; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 08:06:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0b-00176a04.pphosted.com (mx0b-00176a04.pphosted.com [67.231.157.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D0C353A185E; Sat, 16 Jan 2021 08:06:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0193504.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0193504.ppops.net-00176a04. 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