From nobody Thu Feb 4 11:49:14 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B193A178A for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:49:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bQD2Mx1Qug85 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:49:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F31373A106F for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 11:49:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.1.92]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 114JnACp092203 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 13:49:11 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1612468151; bh=tRHWEXAafFn7UyE0h/wKqSMan0AA2L0RGwb490XDbqw=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=KPfqgA9KD1yLmeEuc8FaDR/r1F+2GVOzhLqb/jnY8TH5+jpuDOYds3CT9m1WCr9bD tAwLl6J7FqSSeoD6y+6HwDoDrMG3X8dwWLf4UGO87vzfOufJfN6nTqy3aLUH2UCtsQ 4iHvExUX6HDFM89VwUamVnpwBCrXw2m5Ibx7mbRE= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.1.92] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: IETF Tools Development From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <9ac7721d-4e78-7e51-5807-27ad9114671b@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 13:49:05 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools call Tuesday 9 Feb at 1900 UTC X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 19:49:13 -0000 We have a tools call next Tuesday. Coordinates and an outline of the agenda are available at *Given the confusion on start time at the last couple of sessions,=20 please carefully check the stated time and make sure your calendars agree= * The calendar is at=20 https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/ietf.org_g4f732f5cdhl2to81jis83= ch9s%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics Please bash the agenda=C2=A0 - feel free to add topics if needed. I will be adding detail tomorrow. If you have content to share, adding=20 it earlier is better than later. RjS From nobody Thu Feb 4 12:10:20 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A6243A17AC for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 12:10:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A-d7eJhX_OsO for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 12:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BF2163A17AB for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 12:10:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6972F300B98 for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:10:15 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id jMUBvYcI2Vgr for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-141-156-161-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net [141.156.161.153]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 01009300A55; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:10:13 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <9ac7721d-4e78-7e51-5807-27ad9114671b@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:10:15 -0500 Cc: IETF Tools Development Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <9ac7721d-4e78-7e51-5807-27ad9114671b@nostrum.com> To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools call Tuesday 9 Feb at 1900 UTC X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 20:10:19 -0000 The agenda includes: Moving essential services from tools.ietf.org I am glad to see this. We used to talk about moving "mission critical" = tools from tools.ietf.org to Secretariat operation. Is this subtle = change is wording intended to convey a difference? Years ago, the IAOC Tools Management Committee was the group that = determine whether a particular tool was "mission critical" or not. Who = has that responsibility now? Russ > On Feb 4, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Robert Sparks = wrote: >=20 > We have a tools call next Tuesday. >=20 > Coordinates and an outline of the agenda are available at >=20 > >=20 > *Given the confusion on start time at the last couple of sessions, = please carefully check the stated time and make sure your calendars = agree * >=20 > The calendar is at = https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/ietf.org_g4f732f5cdhl2to81jis83c= h9s%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics >=20 > Please bash the agenda - feel free to add topics if needed. >=20 > I will be adding detail tomorrow. If you have content to share, adding = it earlier is better than later. >=20 > RjS From nobody Thu Feb 4 13:13:34 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-development@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA6033A183A for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 13:13:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.08 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.08 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gMnZP04msG4n for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 13:13:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C05D3A115E for ; Thu, 4 Feb 2021 13:13:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from unformal.localdomain ([47.186.1.92]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPSA id 114LDTWr029498 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:13:30 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1612473210; bh=H2Qq1taS6e14nfosCKYiqXUtBohhK3dwXkdDLnT7YC4=; h=To:Cc:References:From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To; b=kmLvq1URsYnfALAadBWXY+zr1MdM8xp/NsLw1OtCBXo2nteifr1gthAUNtWS5e77n wzqtClKnfwR1H+iw6TbayFUFG3F1pMumbIPsALQIqQlPRn6aKQC41tlTQdpPHNpZo0 kOEOOnXYxHl6Jyy1DnqyLx+NFyblp68agJbZYaQc= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.1.92] claimed to be unformal.localdomain To: Russ Housley Cc: IETF Tools Development References: <9ac7721d-4e78-7e51-5807-27ad9114671b@nostrum.com> From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <5365afb1-d6c7-a4ff-bca3-70ce8ada008f@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2021 15:13:24 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] Tools call Tuesday 9 Feb at 1900 UTC X-BeenThere: tools-development@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Development mail list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2021 21:13:33 -0000 On 2/4/21 2:10 PM, Russ Housley wrote: > The agenda includes: Moving essential services from tools.ietf.org > > I am glad to see this. We used to talk about moving "mission critical"= tools from tools.ietf.org to Secretariat operation. Is this subtle chan= ge is wording intended to convey a difference? No, not really. The things that need to move have been known for some=20 time - we're just adding some focus on finishing the move, with Henrik's = help. I'll try to add a bit more detail in the call notes, but the kinds of=20 things we're talking about: * Finishing using the datatracker to serve the htmlized drafts (this is=20 closer to done that I remembered - we're down to some styling and=20 building links at the top of the page using datatracker data) * Moving the source code repositories and trac instances to the=20 secretiariat. (And making sure we don't have any other trac instances=20 we've missed - we found the BoF wiki still needs to move) * Finish gathering what we need to inform building a replacement for the = current xml2rfc and bibxml services * Moving the code that builds developer database snapshots > > Years ago, the IAOC Tools Management Committee was the group that deter= mine whether a particular tool was "mission critical" or not. Who has th= at responsibility now? I think this group should point out any that we've not moved already and = are not listed above. > > Russ > > >> On Feb 4, 2021, at 2:49 PM, Robert Sparks wrote= : >> >> We have a tools call next Tuesday. >> >> Coordinates and an outline of the agenda are available at >> >> >> >> *Given the confusion on start time at the last couple of sessions, ple= ase carefully check the stated time and make sure your calendars agree * >> >> The calendar is at https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/ietf.org_= g4f732f5cdhl2to81jis83ch9s%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics >> >> Please bash the agenda - feel free to add topics if needed. >> >> I will be adding detail tomorrow. If you have content to share, adding= it earlier is better than later. >> >> RjS