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As discussed at the last tools call, we're starting at 1800 UTC (a half 
hour earlier than before in that timezone).

The calendar at 
https://calendar.google.com/calendar/ical/ietf.org_g4f732f5cdhl2to81jis83ch9s%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics 
has been updated. Please be sure to refresh it if your settings don't 
refresh it automatically quickly enough.

The coordinates are otherwise the same, and are captured at 
https://notes.ietf.org/tools-team-20211012

I'll be adding agenda to that today and tomorrow. As always, please add 
any points you want to cover, and fill in any information that you have 
that needs to be shared before the call to the extent possible.

RjS


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With the shift of 30 minutes, I have a conflict.  These call have been =
taking abut 30 minutes in the past few months, so I will miss.

Russ


> On Oct 7, 2021, at 4:52 PM, Robert Sparks <rjsparks@nostrum.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> As discussed at the last tools call, we're starting at 1800 UTC (a =
half hour earlier than before in that timezone).
>=20
> The calendar at =
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>=20
> The coordinates are otherwise the same, and are captured at =
https://notes.ietf.org/tools-team-20211012
>=20
> I'll be adding agenda to that today and tomorrow. As always, please =
add any points you want to cover, and fill in any information that you =
have that needs to be shared before the call to the extent possible.
>=20
> RjS


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Subject: [TOOLS-DEVELOPMENT] html-ized rfc output no longer uses <h1>, <h2>, etc
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Recently (May?) links like https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3261<https://gcc0=
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The html-ized output is changed at this new location.   Prior to the May ch=
ange, headings in the html used <h1>, <h2>, etc tags, as seen in this Wayba=
ck machine capture from April 29, 2021<https://web.archive.org/web/20210429=
024904/https:/tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3261>
<span class=3D"h2"><h2><a class=3D"selflink" name=3D"section-1" href=3D"#se=
ction-1">1</a>Introduction</h2></span>
Since May, the html no longer includes the <h2> elements, so now like the h=
tml looks like this:
<span class=3D"h2">    <a class=3D"selflink" id=3D"section-1"   href=3D"#se=
ction-1">1</a>Introduction     </span>

Visually there is no significant change.   However, removing the <h2> (and =
similar) HTML heading markup makes it harder for machine tools to deduce th=
e structure of the page.  In particular I use a bookmarklet https://earshin=
ov.github.io/tocit/<https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dh=
ttps%3A%2F%2Fearshinov.github.io%2Ftocit%2F&data=3D04%7C01%7Cjeff.martin%40=
comtechtel.com%7C2d032f16e2af40b7f55408d95091c907%7Ca9a26e696ae040c1bd801ca=
6cc677828%7C0%7C0%7C637629409329830928%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4w=
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0EEWu7I98XqqK73ty2EYdQWiVHVzx9uIwrOr0k%3D&reserved=3D0> to generate an inte=
ractive table of contents, which relies on <h1>, <h2>, and similar.  This r=
emoval of <h1> etc tags probably also affects "screen readers" used by peop=
le with visual impairments.

I'd like to suggest restoring use of HTML headings like <h1>, <h2>, etc to =
the html-ized output.  Is there a process I should follow for making this s=
uggestion?

/Jeff/



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The html-ized output is changed at this new location=
.&nbsp;&nbsp; Prior to the May change,
<b>headings</b> in the html used <b>&lt;h1&gt;, &lt;h2&gt;, etc</b> tags, a=
s seen in this Wayback machine
<a href=3D"https://web.archive.org/web/20210429024904/https:/tools.ietf.org=
/html/rfc3261">
capture from April 29, 2021</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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n class=3D&quot;h2&quot;&gt;</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-=
family:Consolas;color:green;background:#E2EFD9">&lt;h2&gt;</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#A6A6A6">&lt;a
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ily:Consolas">Introduction<b><span style=3D"color:green;background:#E2EFD9"=
>&lt;/h2&gt;</span></b><span style=3D"color:#A6A6A6">&lt;/span&gt;<o:p></o:=
p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Since May, the html no longer includes the <b>&lt;h2=
&gt;</b> elements, so now like the html looks like this:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:6.0pt;margin-right:0in;m=
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#A6A6A6">&lt;spa=
n class=3D&quot;h2&quot;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;a class=3D&quot;selflink=
&quot; id=3D&quot;section-1&quot; &nbsp;&nbsp;href=3D&quot;#section-1&quot;=
&gt;1&lt;/a&gt;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Consolas"=
>Introduction&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<span style=3D"color:#A6A6A6">&lt;/span&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Visually there is no significant change.&nbsp;&nbsp;=
 However, removing the &lt;h2&gt; (and similar) HTML heading markup makes i=
t harder for machine tools to deduce the structure of the page.&nbsp; In pa=
rticular I use a bookmarklet
<a href=3D"https://gcc02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2=
F%2Fearshinov.github.io%2Ftocit%2F&amp;data=3D04%7C01%7Cjeff.martin%40comte=
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https://earshinov.github.io/tocit/</a> to generate an interactive table of =
contents, which relies on &lt;h1&gt;, &lt;h2&gt;, and similar.&nbsp; This r=
emoval of &lt;h1&gt; etc tags probably also affects &quot;screen readers&qu=
ot; used by people with visual impairments.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I'd like to suggest restoring use of HTML headings l=
ike &lt;h1&gt;, &lt;h2&gt;, etc to the html-ized output.&nbsp; Is there a p=
rocess I should follow for making this suggestion?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">/Jeff/<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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