From nobody Tue May 12 13:58:25 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A363A0B46 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:58:23 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PZDVp0Lth3S2 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 53DC23A0B43 for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 13:58:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04CKwHeW092542 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 12 May 2020 15:58:18 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1589317098; bh=fO0TEO5obj+QCRFkmGfMjrXy9P4MaoXb/DPMHECvI5s=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=WfpT0JIJBkNJYC5s7nnP3/KBEnpe77P3tc9rgtgrMX+vKecW1fyiW5ufDm4naV8yZ 6f1DWpdqHl2rNFUHMnq6S/H76HHJwSCPWiHaE2lCa3lL8WQ05DLtD+Lc1+3PRIUGWP 5dZKoAePgbJoQXTqfygN9FkKJ+DbgoHXhjnPSpfA= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: tools-implementation@ietf.org From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 15:58:17 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-implementation] Test X-BeenThere: tools-implementation@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Implementation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 20:58:23 -0000 Checking that the wiring is right. From nobody Wed May 13 07:55:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A31A43A0C8C for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:55:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3tZaITEUfcBV for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAEED3A0C86 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 07:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44506300B3B for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:55:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id E1v0D3T1WacU for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-72-66-113-56.washdc.fios.verizon.net [72.66.113.56]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F1115300A01; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.14\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 10:55:37 -0400 Cc: tools-implementation@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: Robert Sparks X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.14) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-implementation] Test X-BeenThere: tools-implementation@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Implementation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 14:55:42 -0000 I got it. > On May 12, 2020, at 4:58 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > > Checking that the wiring is right. > > -- > Tools-implementation mailing list > Tools-implementation@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-implementation From nobody Wed May 13 10:57:38 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CCA3A09A8 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:57:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yhqKn42zXKio for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 204633A0736 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 10:57:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04DHvA7m005899 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:57:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1589392631; bh=NTzm7Dv3jAUWSrsrTfQwDI7o9Pi5GjLsXKHYJgVGu3w=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=FBhhVzwypK3VxZnhLrcP9DICtyVz3rJHOWt+0YT/QCQY4Oq4motwnKVaLw2R6a+lU OEtn5tktihXSt8V+gQTHrGbTyMnnhRBwYhQhN8epQlbqMypshK97K4kRqekqQgurhK ER+dnsNvVGVvpWsmzsdT0UFRaNFulRSNlc45x8Ys= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: tools-implementation@ietf.org From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:57:10 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-implementation] Thoughts on these suggestions? X-BeenThere: tools-implementation@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Implementation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 17:57:35 -0000 From Greg Wood: > -Greg > > P.S. I found this: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/list/wg/ > > but could not find how to get to it from anywhere else in Datatracker. > > I also found: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/list/nonwg/ > > which is accessible via Groups->Non-WG lists > > I noticed in the nonWG list that there’s a link to “List info” and thought adding that kind of column to the ../list/wg/ page would also help people find subscription information. > > P.P.S. I think having some short descriptive text on mailarchive.ietf.org akin to what now exists on Datatracker. Maybe something like: > > "The IETF Mailarchive provides a web interface for searching archives of mailing lists hosted at ietf.org. > > "IETF Datatracker is the day-to-day front-end to the IETF database for people who work on IETF standards. > > "The primary public face of the IETF is at www.ietf.org." > > The ticket below made me think it would also be useful to have pointers on the front page of mailarchive to the lists of WG and nonWG email info in Datatracker, too. > > I’m not sure how to submit this suggestion, though. RjS From nobody Wed May 13 12:52:57 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C554D3A08B2 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:52:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fSv1SWD_FiIt for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7BF0D3A08AF for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:52:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC4CA2020AD for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi1-f169.google.com (mail-oi1-f169.google.com [209.85.167.169]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0AB1202025 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:51:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi1-f169.google.com with SMTP id b18so22514492oic.6 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:52:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AGi0PuaxZNfIoSbgeqUZsoVX8iUJ+7DM0iFJGsINlCyll2ZwzCMvPoEi VWVntM/m2KqOhzzkEBU2epQvhxsv/t+pRgGxMrY= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APiQypKt74DZPn2KzxaIvIuajJir1qIgUcGmAmMWsxLQxZL/Zo+k5xZGUVO7og1kBp2D8NqVgkhvV2xOcFROr+PpmYM= X-Received: by 2002:aca:f454:: with SMTP id s81mr26675188oih.138.1589399572640; Wed, 13 May 2020 12:52:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Glen Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 12:52:40 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: tools-implementation@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Tools-implementation] Thoughts on these suggestions? X-BeenThere: tools-implementation@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Implementation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 19:52:57 -0000 WFM, let me know if I need to pass this to Ryan (otherwise I will assume Robert will take care of things like that. :-) Glen On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 10:58 AM Robert Sparks wrote= : > > From Greg Wood: > > > -Greg > > > > P.S. I found this: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/list/wg/ > > > > but could not find how to get to it from anywhere else in Datatracker. > > > > I also found: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/list/nonwg/ > > > > which is accessible via Groups->Non-WG lists > > > > I noticed in the nonWG list that there=E2=80=99s a link to =E2=80=9CLis= t info=E2=80=9D and thought adding that kind of column to the ../list/wg/ = page would also help people find subscription information. > > > > P.P.S. I think having some short descriptive text on mailarchive.ietf.o= rg akin to what now exists on Datatracker. Maybe something like: > > > > "The IETF Mailarchive provides a web interface for searching archives o= f mailing lists hosted at ietf.org. > > > > "IETF Datatracker is the day-to-day front-end to the IETF = database for people who work on IETF standards. > > > > "The primary public face of the IETF is at www.ietf.org." > > > > The ticket below made me think it would also be useful to have pointers= on the front page of mailarchive to the lists of WG and nonWG email info i= n Datatracker, too. > > > > I=E2=80=99m not sure how to submit this suggestion, though. > RjS > > -- > Tools-implementation mailing list > Tools-implementation@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-implementation From nobody Wed May 13 13:31:46 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 534D63A096A for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 13:31:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.079 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.079 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JAbckfRgV66r for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 13:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B6C63A0969 for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 13:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from unescapeable.local ([47.186.30.41]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id 04DKVYl8035789 (version=TLSv1.3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 13 May 2020 15:31:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from rjsparks@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1589401895; bh=sGNL6z6i0yOWAagvfxbFDINSWB5D28MGYtb016NF/CM=; h=To:From:Subject:Date; b=QKF0u5OxhxA68AWwiEmhx3Oq595ntEELdba0A/vYtZWPgoSTC//lfKB+2mOnxYQCF X5zN/k53wQHaFMZb+GXRBMq/ulfnjrDQYkk8YIoI+aGyqCeE/UQ2nNmOLAF6zIPAio WXuAoSx42Vr9JSfstR5SJdKtEn6JETSdTAivfi4A= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host [47.186.30.41] claimed to be unescapeable.local To: tools-implementation@ietf.org From: Robert Sparks Message-ID: <9c4489b1-7087-9ae9-d8c8-6798a2500183@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 15:31:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Tools-implementation] Some fodder for tomorrow X-BeenThere: tools-implementation@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Implementation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 20:31:45 -0000 I don't expect to dive into all of this tomorrow, but I wanted to have something to start talking about. If there are hot-topics or particular issues that I've missed that we should be talking about earlier, please add them. If there are items you don't know about, lets make sure everyone comes up to speed on them. Organization:     - Do we have the right people and the right skillsets? Things to be aware of:     - Deployment of yc.o on amazon     - Automatic schedule generation     - github backups Hot Topics (things likely to affect IETF108):     - Meetecho support for online meetings (both 'ietf' and 'interim')         - authentication and authorization (SSO): who can join a webex session? who can speak?     - Meeting scheduler improvements     - Better use of cloudflare for serving meeting materials Things to help prioritize/steer:     - What are the highest priority services (this overlaps a bit with what the TAS will be figuring out)         - see slides at https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-arch/gB1XOmzeKLNy8vxQE2cfSOgxftY/         - are there services missing     - What about tools that aren't services         - especially 3rd party things         - what are priority things to work with     - Thinking towards understanding the actual use patterns and current timing characteristics of all the services         - newrelic         - django-request-profiler         - Other possible things (some heavy)             - matomo in the rest of the web services, particularly the datatracker             - https://newrelic.com/python/django     - Where can cloud _help us right now_?         - (See better use of cloudlare above)     - Datatracker improvements         - We have PLAN for the datatacker, but it's really mostly been Henrik's runway         - A lot of the recent emphasis has been on infrastructure         - We don't have a thing like that for the other services     - Per project scheduling of ticket resolution (grouping things into releases).     - Cross project prioritization of those releases Some useful links into ticket bases: https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/ietfdb/query?owner=&status=accepted&status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&status=under_review&status=waiting&group=priority&max=9999&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&col=reporter&report=35&desc=1&order=id https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/query?status=accepted&status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&status=under_review&status=waiting&group=priority&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=owner&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&order=id https://github.com/ietf-tools/wagtail_website/issues (and the similar pages under the other repositories at ietf-tools https://github.com/orgs/YangCatalog/projects/1 From nobody Thu May 14 02:40:33 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: tools-implementation@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEFD3A085D for ; 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X-BeenThere: tools-implementation@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Tools Implementation List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 May 2020 09:55:18 -0000 The suggestions look sensible to me. On Wed, May 13, 2020, at 6:57 PM, Robert Sparks wrote: > From Greg Wood: >=20 > > -Greg > > > > P.S. I found this: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/list/wg/ > > > > but could not find how to get to it from anywhere else in Datatracke= r. > > > > I also found: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/list/nonwg/ > > > > which is accessible via Groups->Non-WG lists > > > > I noticed in the nonWG list that there=E2=80=99s a link to =E2=80=9C= List info=E2=80=9D and thought adding that kind of column to the ../list= /wg/ page would also help people find subscription information. > > > > P.P.S. I think having some short descriptive text on mailarchive.iet= f.org akin to what now exists on Datatracker. Maybe something like: > > > > "The IETF Mailarchive provides a web interface for searching archive= s of mailing lists hosted at ietf.org. > > > > "IETF Datatracker is the day-to-day front-end to the IE= TF database for people who work on IETF standards. > > > > "The primary public face of the IETF is at www.ietf.org= ." > > > > The ticket below made me think it would also be useful to have point= ers on the front page of mailarchive to the lists of WG and nonWG email = info in Datatracker, too. > > > > I=E2=80=99m not sure how to submit this suggestion, though. > RjS >=20 > --=20 > Tools-implementation mailing list > Tools-implementation@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-implementation >