From nobody Fri Nov 1 00:42:14 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37EBD120091 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 00:42:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xc-oW4MpYO9J for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 00:42:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3E22D12002E for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 00:42:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1572594124; bh=emQpupJSJPkh7ri2JcojUZ0o4J4ED26UEzhVgC92VXs=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:To:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=MwG5vJ1QWQXMEryiBZraBqNKY1mIuvoURy8EGdneDfaMmvro1xOFWbdwWNuNzN/b/ aLQQXQsREJM6UPqrNJeCzdxYuc5N2JDKEydnzyX9//bWwenPcPqJfDunqCDAiq8uN4 ZtykgYSV7LmPW6JjWwbMz++tVI/z28QsO7FGr2P0= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.147.230]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mkpex-1hgMaJ2GAJ-00mLqp for ; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 08:42:04 +0100 From: Julian Reschke To: XML Developer List References: <733a0188-aacd-dd05-843c-bea537f46e06@gmx.de> Message-ID: <9306cbe8-4c0f-8804-190d-edc9ee03b85b@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 08:42:02 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <733a0188-aacd-dd05-843c-bea537f46e06@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:lbt/eM5OywneYeWGQygAXVKBQ+HTJbYHuIfU6utixnl3+KTDGmN a7qegina22YBSGDpyZGHrDlJbNVQGQBod7Dv/A+u6nm3qpgajPEjXsw8oJWz2C0GaLk1aml jIO98UyjsHyLgZeMpj6w+MT1TYQsSFZ8aI4xebQpBBaBro1wUiopUanpdIRNpmiynpiI2ae 6lp3e/npFZAALY8zRYFZQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:f1ukTaOPsAA=:o7580KJxMnV9nygEuAfi4N 3WhNBEs5Tw/WiBQ30L68LFPlwX9GTTl2TH49C9NW1kE1ZCd6iq4Xi0UevJFU2AvDuZprWAtXD 4jMrUhgpbDcCOe9cu0PbV6iHocxyXFPxCerabbWGDnrxtnH33C8eKoFGX7OlFWLDiQmv3xiON g39IZKrXpMLk6zRNxnOi0HA1PVbvTwlv6im0ZoJW5TXzld9HJzbk1FZDtd5SfUk5KZ+ho8dgC vtHInaiKlT9gucXAaQp58gFJkExyYNGZDKdUlDJ5fyfh1dtUkE1FkzP6QxMmffn4GqcG6OiKd njGRgjHPsFh6DnEIjix9y6yeKtdpk1aG0vtcVLllgYrlFM8BtJLLGxoHUdxrXaTHkqDBp03Xp LTS+w/6sdPUUTx5jLjGPQOunuu4UWyu+V+3miELXpVROo8kNmuwlxjGvvb4IzhDjdz0YwXFyq XiIXIOGCpEEdZeBB1eJz83UVjkdGUo5FCR+MBdaEqjvcCP3wxqBp5gwBoAsVK2amda4y2hVvJ UnO1wnCpK94MwUfu1GoRQYSnN9f8u977nIxGr85RyN91D8E61F4Nlc4JYTBThwb8wSLjYv1v1 OTGQSThD8FPpp/rs1mjX64pW9tbBwGD3JVeknCW0IhYtHqDvUY2NHbVgD0dIEZjwR7tGE/OIa 85FagyIBWzQlbflPLqDZi7IQiXJQfQzYJSsx3OFDg+hOHbYJ+qsm7JOLerhGwzpybiG+gD+91 14siqFtn7FGvK9Sm6K110XFdfYGPFFORTGXuZ8ddC8EHmcDVPZCzi+x4InqX0C7PjTEh7LUPn Svha0+7tFnzVPv43wWpTsJoqBXstmnH1DEFgwGrhw7NhuCpqvOaggEkIscv0Eqzi1VsmowHHb TZAd91jkCNaEVRk6VBEyoy77FRkUkK0TvXzEnne7zzT232x5xZwI8CCYG0o4UqgSyaUW1U0hr nJpv1drBfgPcQWpL6t6JZHGCOuYZZnqyYSH+kpCSSBtMx99NouYkBKDeaX/SMfFsrtQNQUxtK TTg8uHWB/D0GB/bMkGv9r/AfYvimYLcXF9zenrKO6ysLXmvsfQY176S/oUGg//D7jYlMZGwkP +PsUYT7gU8bR+ufWoAomszYRVKsVva/rAkNeUlotNyyhU1yl2mquWqen0aTHenQ/dAak8KYps MHKaIiEcqrjR8+24Ck/Xvejx43hGAqR5pkPU/sPpeMqOxdpAFY4AK6PTOa57/gw5OTL5usT2i BD/G+IDpJ17y0v9G5Iklwjjs+UJdINghXgV/37eR2XySrOsQA+7dwY0K9ImM= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-notes-10#section-3.1.21 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 07:42:12 -0000 On 31.10.2019 16:21, Julian Reschke wrote: > Re: > : > > >> 3.1.21.5.=C2=A0 Summary >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 The number of issues introduced with the move of the >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 element and its re-purposing in order to fill functionalit= y in the >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 front of a document is wholly disproportionate with any ad= ded >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 functionality.=C2=A0 The specification [RFC7991] does not = provide any >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 rationale for the changes, and there seems to be no major = benefits to >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 the new schema. >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0 Proposal:=C2=A0 Do a rewrite of this that does not add new= details to the >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 already complex semantics, = compared to the v2 >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 vocabulary, and does not make non-IETF r= eference files obsolete, >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 but actually simplifies the model and us= e. >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Limit the element to what i= s actually needed for use >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 within , and do not add new = functionality related to >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the document .=C2=A0 Deprecate an= y functionality not related to >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 usage within . >> >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The easiest approach would be to simply = revert to the v2 semantics >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 and placement of elements, = with documentation of >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 that. > > I fully agree with this - we should go back to the definition in RFC > 7749, and just add attribute to the rfc root element, if needed. > > (This will likely also affect the preptool spec, like many other changes= ) > > Best regards, Julian ...the downside being that this change would make published canonical XML invalid (for instance, ). Best regards, Julian From nobody Fri Nov 1 10:47:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF62120DAB for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:47:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.198 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.198 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JwBOpkZWDdoa for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B11F2120DA7 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:47:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51CBE204610; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:46:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PgpuD4nVUhNv; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2605:e000:1524:de:d592:7500:4999:638] (unknown [IPv6:2605:e000:1524:de:d592:7500:4999:638]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 03B2020460B; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:46:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Sandy Ginoza Message-Id: <87B8FF35-AEF2-4595-8826-8A6B7FD11204@amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_51A2FD3B-A6D3-46DE-BFF2-61FCF476F311" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 10:47:39 -0700 In-Reply-To: <9306cbe8-4c0f-8804-190d-edc9ee03b85b@gmx.de> Cc: XML Developer List To: Julian Reschke References: <733a0188-aacd-dd05-843c-bea537f46e06@gmx.de> <9306cbe8-4c0f-8804-190d-edc9ee03b85b@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-notes-10#section-3.1.21 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:47:43 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_51A2FD3B-A6D3-46DE-BFF2-61FCF476F311 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Is it correct that this mail refers to the following use of = ? Is there a preferred handling here? Annotation? The output is slightly = different when using . =20 Using (published):=20 [Oreo] Berkman, O., Pinkas, B., and M. Yung, "Firm Grip Handshakes: A Tool for Bidirectional Vouching", Cryptology and Network Security pp. 142-157, 2012. Using : [Oreo] Berkman, O., Pinkas, B., and M. Yung, "Firm Grip Handshakes: A Tool for = Bidirectional Vouching", 2012. Cryptology and Network Security pp. = 142-157. Thanks, Sandy=20 > On Nov 1, 2019, at 12:42 AM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 31.10.2019 16:21, Julian Reschke wrote: >> Re: >> = : >>=20 >>=20 >>> 3.1.21.5. Summary >>>=20 >>> The number of issues introduced with the move of the >>> element and its re-purposing in order to fill functionality in = the >>> front of a document is wholly disproportionate with any added >>> functionality. The specification [RFC7991] does not provide any >>> rationale for the changes, and there seems to be no major = benefits to >>> the new schema. >>>=20 >>> Proposal: Do a rewrite of this that does not add new details to = the >>> already complex semantics, compared to the v2 >>> vocabulary, and does not make non-IETF reference files = obsolete, >>> but actually simplifies the model and use. >>>=20 >>> Limit the element to what is actually needed for = use >>> within , and do not add new functionality related = to >>> the document . Deprecate any functionality not related = to >>> usage within . >>>=20 >>> The easiest approach would be to simply revert to the v2 = semantics >>> and placement of elements, with documentation of >>> that. >>=20 >> I fully agree with this - we should go back to the definition in RFC >> 7749, and just add attribute to the rfc root element, if needed. >>=20 >> (This will likely also affect the preptool spec, like many other = changes) >>=20 >> Best regards, Julian >=20 > ...the downside being that this change would make published canonical > XML invalid (for instance, = ). >=20 > Best regards, Julian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc-dev mailing list > xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc-dev --Apple-Mail=_51A2FD3B-A6D3-46DE-BFF2-61FCF476F311 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Is it correct that this mail refers to the following use of = <seriesInfo>?

        =   <seriesInfo name=3D"Cryptology and Network = Security" value=3D"pp. = 142-157"/>

Is there a preferred handling here? =  Annotation?  The output is slightly different when using = <annotation>.  

Using <seriesInfo> (published): 
   [Oreo]     Berkman, O., Pinkas, B., and M. =
Yung, "Firm Grip
              Handshakes: A Tool for Bidirectional Vouching", Cryptology
              and Network Security pp. 142-157, 2012.

Using = <annotation>:
[Oreo]
Berkman, O., = Pinkas, B., and M. Yung, "Firm Grip Handshakes: A Tool for Bidirectional = Vouching", . Cryptology and Network Security pp. 142-157.


Thanks,
Sandy 

On = Nov 1, 2019, at 12:42 AM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

On = 31.10.2019 16:21, Julian Reschke wrote:
Re:
<https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implemen= tation-notes-10#section-3.1.21>:


3.1.21.5.  = Summary

   The number of issues = introduced with the move of the <seriesInfo>
   element and its re-purposing in order to fill = functionality in the
   front of a document is = wholly disproportionate with any added
   = functionality.  The specification [RFC7991] does not provide any
   rationale for the changes, and there seems to be = no major benefits to
   the new schema.

   Proposal:  Do a rewrite of = this that does not add new details to the
      already complex = <seriesInfo> semantics, compared to the v2
      vocabulary, and does not make = non-IETF reference files obsolete,
      but actually simplifies the = model and use.

     = Limit the <seriesInfo> element to what is actually needed for = use
      within = <reference/>, and do not add new functionality related to
      the document = <front>.  Deprecate any functionality not related to
      usage within = <reference/>.

      The easiest approach would be = to simply revert to the v2 semantics
      and placement of = <seriesInfo> elements, with documentation of
      that.

I fully agree with this - we = should go back to the definition in RFC
7749, and just add = attribute to the rfc root element, if needed.

(This will likely also affect the preptool spec, like many = other changes)

Best regards, Julian

...the downside being that this = change would make published canonical
XML invalid (for = instance, <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc8672.xml>).

Best regards, Julian

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 18:10:40 -0000 On 01.11.2019 18:47, Sandy Ginoza wrote: > Is it correct that this mail refers to the following use of = ? Nope. This mail thread was about how RFC 7991 tries to re-purpose seriesInfo to also control the metadata for the document itself. (adjusting subject line) > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0 142-157"/> > > Is there a preferred handling here? =A0Annotation? =A0The output is slig= htly > different when using . > > Using (published): > > [Oreo] Berkman, O., Pinkas, B., and M. Yung, "Firm Grip > Handshakes: A Tool for Bidirectional Vouching", Cryptolog= y > and Network Security pp. 142-157, 2012. I would say using seriesInfo for this would be an abuse of the element. > Using : > [Oreo] > Berkman, O., Pinkas, B., and M. Yung, "Firm Grip Handshakes: A Tool > for Bidirectional Vouching", 2012. Cryptology and Network Security > pp. 142-157. Yes, adds text to the end. There (see ). However, RFC 7991 fails to state where it goes (before or after ). I believe xml2rfc puts it before, which doesn't help you here. See . Best regards, Julian From nobody Fri Nov 1 13:10:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301C5120828 for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:10:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6PpxoeQ8xeNC for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.amsl.com (c8a.amsl.com [4.31.198.40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A4F7412006A for ; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:10:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4937A204759; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:09:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com Received: from c8a.amsl.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (c8a.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iTuW2slRt8A7; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [IPv6:2605:e000:1524:de:d592:7500:4999:638] (unknown [IPv6:2605:e000:1524:de:d592:7500:4999:638]) by c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 069BB204758; Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Sandy Ginoza In-Reply-To: <5440e96b-bfdb-aa1c-d4e3-6f1a24c82e47@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2019 13:10:30 -0700 Cc: XML Developer List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <178AA7FA-EB47-452B-A1B8-93532083D951@amsl.com> References: <733a0188-aacd-dd05-843c-bea537f46e06@gmx.de> <9306cbe8-4c0f-8804-190d-edc9ee03b85b@gmx.de> <87B8FF35-AEF2-4595-8826-8A6B7FD11204@amsl.com> <5440e96b-bfdb-aa1c-d4e3-6f1a24c82e47@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] putting page ranges into references, was: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-levkowetz-xml2rfc-v3-implementation-notes-10#section-3.1.21 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 20:10:33 -0000 > On Nov 1, 2019, at 11:10 AM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > On 01.11.2019 18:47, Sandy Ginoza wrote: >> Is it correct that this mail refers to the following use of ? > > Nope. This mail thread was about how RFC 7991 tries to re-purpose > seriesInfo to also control the metadata for the document itself. > > (adjusting subject line) Ack - thanks for the clarification. > >> >> >> Is there a preferred handling here? Annotation? The output is slightly >> different when using . >> >> Using (published): >> >> [Oreo] Berkman, O., Pinkas, B., and M. Yung, "Firm Grip >> Handshakes: A Tool for Bidirectional Vouching", Cryptology >> and Network Security pp. 142-157, 2012. > > I would say using seriesInfo for this would be an abuse of the element. > >> Using : >> [Oreo] >> Berkman, O., Pinkas, B., and M. Yung, "Firm Grip Handshakes: A Tool >> for Bidirectional Vouching", 2012. Cryptology and Network Security >> pp. 142-157. > > Yes, adds text to the end. > > There (see > ). > However, RFC 7991 fails to state where it goes (before or after > ). I believe xml2rfc puts it before, which doesn't help you > here. > > See . Ah, I totally missed . Thanks for highlighting this! Sandy > > Best regards, Julian > From nobody Mon Nov 4 10:22:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD7D1209BB for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:22:03 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RnuO8ztPNNZh for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:22:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 08FA812091D for ; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 10:22:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1572891703; bh=GR6IWymJiourRQOaRhPHjILa88fd5XrsAQdJzNQGKYI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:From:To:Cc:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ePWFtHZbTRdYWPovoWgxdpElMUAo9UyKiibby5ZcKmwMWPAaWbNv8/2zbJLhQdi8c wo1pazCRqsPMAE++JfQKrCgtFTVYvh3uvvOuU/0Cg8adE0Det4SSoeV/+EJTByfOKX PShRKcyBC63Ly4fOT7FhGW5WiqkcuI9Yxr0aa7ks= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.149.92]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MCbEf-1ibHkq11wR-009hVy; Mon, 04 Nov 2019 19:21:43 +0100 From: Julian Reschke To: Henrik Levkowetz , Carsten Bormann Cc: "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" , RSE References: <71bc8d39-d06c-d900-cc8e-04a48218d75f@gmail.com> <0905DADC-E9D5-47A7-B610-F8A62686D2BD@att.com> <07DBAE10-D1FA-45C4-B7A2-321B265CA302@amsl.com> <694c9244-98ae-1e64-39ef-8756d48b36ef@gmx.de> <860c663b-744f-a033-cc50-96088bb1b33c@gmx.de> <04DCBCE3-2C8C-4B03-9081-EF2B7A5C6087@tzi.org> <4321EEBF-92C2-4405-81BD-899C0FCAC762@tzi.org> <5593c2d9-0bb4-93e9-f5d0-babf194340bf@levkowetz.com> <6BF7D165-EA48-44C1-9153-3F011058561F@tzi.org> <7088451e-745b-a31b-88fb-bce9cb48696a@levkowetz.com> <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> Message-ID: <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 19:21:40 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jL/z1HYYUKOBuVF6uE9Wxm1jzc0/5OXmT92PuGfGLsb4WQrPkDa ZCH0kkaR/rVW5a1y7xiTRJMZkGitKDEwy2CASjK4nHVVJ7LrKfKwePZLeSgpbRbgWTTPeV5 yh6uctQt+k8DpJsVL2gYvO8LcuIyUPHVRw8zY15P6+ywfWXmPsyMvHk/7tR43Urxo9kD0Tx qdJZvrPPgFy+rc0SvEHzA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:VzxEh0VRMK8=:uDyndFOAVlLc3bgRYxnsQp ZP5rpuLrsE3f2qEEZXHCw/gHvn65i/03TurQWecLByabVKL/zssy1HRlBPOZzHdQh3seH1urj b30yGDaOvHHCCmM0PejxNibPOdoazZkxlbs+6PenUoC+c8db2kcbEqXpuo5WpxJnDEBvKHKKn KEPk7yLhzpDDLfOc1ANh6ebQQh3bnu3+wKjw8VG2xuc3eOxoVmfEUssGCgvmZhxht/OE/P8Wu gis4FvacyzlqwBuVR9bFKEYcFnAW/acTNMxtF1mKBrqnXJ/9+ILF2LFdhtrACBvg+tkTxkSu+ KTX8oFiyy1lmGcMn9jsUvjSuxNnfB7gbBza3gKYbcyRgeucHw8GAIc0AD0gPd+TpqcrqHXYqz GcijtaaT1icmyE5vvosIJz1YHB+Sdpf4IR83JQUgrT1W5uCDm/7XmRrTv/G+k1/GbHKw8asDS fv2Y14jIx/SFRVgU+vztNaO2Qj7sXAllT3kftGjCI3iCiuyB995/sLOz8CxQfPgRyzQ8Dj2q+ cKAtMVJ2IYjziTOrnvRgnFktOzzPMKVkFvVQpWeO4AW06ZfoYTf/Q8Y8TOBpf1mmr3b8f18g2 TJ/aHTwV1a0PZpAbipc/7S2wBEsLZ6n18VGnT9+8yI1i+UOgghNrRqDyk+/4yfPQYPhVOXdmG APsXxNmOyylJRyv70D0MaS/eKbrIMoeGCGHNZOOw2k9jx4Icpv5WSfQFXLmCsRDVOq/v6V159 A/6YsiEE9eguxlGoxZUVFwOUY4R/GiMHBtDZrncy7OQvAVWTwbq1JqdTQZxSL/dsoxYmTAS9n GNTTGOtRE3XHaUErvYS2lh9svhKev8xUwNLjWZNzDbZUDRHlX97kXbrokzeNy3KOm9YylG59y 5gbuyfx+YGbf1vHvRAr2NVIcc5b0+HacGNLQ+Hv92sMiZ5XCzpGWCdqeGXcVzJthyfq2kwgeg sh91zQRjiqCYcXBMfFdsBHs1o3uJ7tTzb71LQe36i1xszrcHqh79rFQr0aMGz725Q9nHWtgNQ 4gQ1ICH3Tu7esUV8wh6BDChT6DZnpCFBlYrYXiCZCmuomJKrtQbiY6I3N6wfOx2ar/9aJ218v BzNLOEM17zQjxuu9ujMG6gM96OY7VCFZ7EVHkk+t8cIZt5EeKqYlIESLoYy2e6AVwHn32j3jC VK2ZSXaml0saGhdnaO6jjRLR9s9D/AblmFQg78Y0ug6i+422d0eO63j0YH+LFI9PKVDO5dqe2 SCuj6HxwGZbfjFfTZz860qykTTNvfIxlkN8hLWyyoMRRnrDMCoNlRefhUn2k= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 18:22:04 -0000 On 29.10.2019 08:04, Julian Reschke wrote: > ... > As a first step, I'd make it available exactly where the production > center needs it right now, so that the publication process can proceed. > > (I think that means "in " right now) > ... ...and that would fix the issue for the document in AUTH48, and also would allow a workaround for contributor insertion that doesn't require . Another week has passed. How can we make progress here? Heather? Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Nov 5 09:16:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D37C120854 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:16:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X4daxEXdfPbe for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C239C12082A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:16:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A811F40710; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:15:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nZs8K8z5QVwc; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:15:49 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.16.2.146] (unknown [207.96.227.254]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 02E8BF406CD; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:15:48 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) From: Heather Flanagan In-Reply-To: <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:16:03 -0500 Cc: Carsten Bormann , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> References: <71bc8d39-d06c-d900-cc8e-04a48218d75f@gmail.com> <0905DADC-E9D5-47A7-B610-F8A62686D2BD@att.com> <07DBAE10-D1FA-45C4-B7A2-321B265CA302@amsl.com> <694c9244-98ae-1e64-39ef-8756d48b36ef@gmx.de> <860c663b-744f-a033-cc50-96088bb1b33c@gmx.de> <04DCBCE3-2C8C-4B03-9081-EF2B7A5C6087@tzi.org> <4321EEBF-92C2-4405-81BD-899C0FCAC762@tzi.org> <5593c2d9-0bb4-93e9-f5d0-babf194340bf@levkowetz.com> <6BF7D165-EA48-44C1-9153-3F011058561F@tzi.org> <7088451e-745b-a31b-88fb-bce9cb48696a@levkowetz.com> <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke , Henrik Levkowetz X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 17:16:09 -0000 > On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Julian Reschke wrote: > > On 29.10.2019 08:04, Julian Reschke wrote: >> ... >> As a first step, I'd make it available exactly where the production >> center needs it right now, so that the publication process can proceed. >> >> (I think that means "in " right now) >> ... > > ...and that would fix the issue for the document in AUTH48, and also > would allow a workaround for contributor insertion that doesn't require > . > > Another week has passed. How can we make progress here? Heather? > > Best regards, Julian > Make
generally available, and trust the RPC to use it wisely. -Heather From nobody Tue Nov 5 10:25:19 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6303812013A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:25:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jTqHD9RQY2D3 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:25:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 399AA120142 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:25:14 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1572978285; bh=li/gV7ZwOs36PRhtxPXXEsndfbsdOHtA7pOrgbWGccA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=NEDzgku5Hl9qq7TRa4+hxznJ2n3jE4BClujKYv6g8WnWgDD/SGnLp3xeWagFzQuDL EG7RWRRXD/cCCcdHoD/FbCahUMYV9Wt4Ltm+C/jlzQ0phQ0/XvU34pE/nJD8iS+gqf 5C+16FUVxSAZNRjQZdVqGB6LxGXkFNuoONpgQH2Y= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.149.133]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MmDEm-1i1UBJ2Oki-00iEDg; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:24:45 +0100 To: Heather Flanagan , Henrik Levkowetz Cc: Carsten Bormann , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" References: <07DBAE10-D1FA-45C4-B7A2-321B265CA302@amsl.com> <694c9244-98ae-1e64-39ef-8756d48b36ef@gmx.de> <860c663b-744f-a033-cc50-96088bb1b33c@gmx.de> <04DCBCE3-2C8C-4B03-9081-EF2B7A5C6087@tzi.org> <4321EEBF-92C2-4405-81BD-899C0FCAC762@tzi.org> <5593c2d9-0bb4-93e9-f5d0-babf194340bf@levkowetz.com> <6BF7D165-EA48-44C1-9153-3F011058561F@tzi.org> <7088451e-745b-a31b-88fb-bce9cb48696a@levkowetz.com> <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:24:38 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:F6Be1FK1r+w6opD7zCO2Rt4R01wacbyPbJ84ji7GWUMpnCcYnA/ cMtop9Rd0vp0WOZdJxMk5usy/hUOXyLLLIE8YG0g03j4eZXXuazJ1T0SjteqpX4q67c42cB pLh6gLnFMopZLVSRiAc3xVKh7SFjNwrnhd6UiuLZonp++VSb9vqOoefVBenMFG0rjUCWmMa 0GTkCt+FcfojO3kIOpxaQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:2hrPwqr3ALM=:VsZlFcUNWRcM+gVLCpGvTB 0Eq06ws6RTp+ATHVEeWyPFNIEZntJ8jOxUjXA2+sdsLiQCQnmEr4r7h3DKzfGNb26GDTc4WbS oH8ss0f7sJeOVkBSZUWWtDij8Ve3LNcleiq1PL7FY9PEgHjS1bd3sxv31mAwR7x4XopefDFgg ix6AvCH1MUepuIdT/5gVYeIqcS6XoaUdCALLIDCNQn7AczQ0rpYCEuO9e14WwEvkF6vIe+FUj TU5PV2PRd5dUgwaTr3tI61eSHGbwow0qmWU0ST1ailFkj4kVresloaSm0SlwAfMa7URier8So SC50XPPMjEQ6f34xO8ppGOXhYETNr/9xEeNEMEOd085SDcLDTNtiJo8M2v6lcdfVWU5J7Yj9y kqwRLk/8N41s6hOBdvyelZvWrwOp5Ov9KHXCeZ59RMWQ3TPJGtFcK7On7Jp+E0MyeHUhOvpA3 kKYvEwI4vJMzpafvn/QKXfjfo3joV3vPDOuu1k0rKCiYMsNwwjGPYKRSfKGg1VEQEB3C0Ou46 4FnU/XMs91Q14szx8mRTKTAy52f3kvC8S10UrpaODMf/nPtpp/4w3Nj6nDgN8eYBQQswFgQ+K 9SCgAkavynhi8XTtt7So0OJ95nTJT5PzUVfaVbG3snMWRT6fwPSwnjoDNdzJ9sO+IoGJdlQjY ZiMHFRRi+ei99layeqS1VIA+VfnNV2ufZKQPnJth2JLq/OZH4AD2vF5IVUtRlx2Z1p28Frljy FGuGaEAytMHbtajtmmYlsDnecwUDMgRnmp2dNFE6HBlEb5yoExYbf5AR0scvgMhUjXw6vs8sL S+8+RaOSFeEjsjHXA7vnI6V8nBpOPiZdq5v+cVvFXn+pBj20QflkI+5G8MstQ6WWGl09vuErW asZrSryHxKKYNe6zP/yZfT/KvKktsKn/3kh9GzEV+gxBfjygam+5eGWWWNEpDkL+F4YJ2D0+U 31C4ezFPUUduRlL7VorQrYzTborAvdGCb9lnrOpdaD2vuVM6t0Uia7ZHCkI1YR6o07uTEZ2dN kMICBd1aEgzatFq0owZKUmFQt1CfS4YS5seiY2hgZhSLzLB3gxjG2b8A85lVHRPKdyfYLAi0S BDaqQYx2jjnmUM27/8zve5OqCoeLNFHgT3QbnO4I25J12u0RL7K67SrclG8cNbrTX/UUy7REY lKW6fum2Dv6LyOLJpS79YBzQHSP1TBJBYnm9ySXiEnIF8n05atdO3t/87dQEKQLPaBY9t8gMH VQpCOfP7tzDx8NiWLCIHp1UpUSGdZba9mDB1IlEeeU6spM/SHx/nGMEHZOPk= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:25:18 -0000 On 05.11.2019 18:16, Heather Flanagan wrote: > > >> On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Julian Reschke wrot= e: >> >> On 29.10.2019 08:04, Julian Reschke wrote: >>> ... >>> As a first step, I'd make it available exactly where the production >>> center needs it right now, so that the publication process can proceed= . >>> >>> (I think that means "in " right now) >>> ... >> >> ...and that would fix the issue for the document in AUTH48, and also >> would allow a workaround for contributor insertion that doesn't require >> . >> >> Another week has passed. How can we make progress here? Heather? >> >> Best regards, Julian >> > > Make
generally available, and trust the RPC to use it wisely. It's not that easy. If you allow it everywhere, you need to define how it behaves everywhere, both for display, and when it gets referenced. Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Nov 5 10:30:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F8FE120142 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:30:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D1psQpabeLXt for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 57E2212013A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:30:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A311BF40716; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:29:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TuDPWedM_CGU; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2620:f:8000:210:88d7:6470:4b0:5ef4] (unknown [IPv6:2620:f:8000:210:88d7:6470:4b0:5ef4]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B720DF40710; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:29:54 -0800 (PST) From: Heather Flanagan Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_0E3B2EBE-65A1-4554-8E4A-E58DE97B8310" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 13:30:10 -0500 In-Reply-To: <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , Carsten Bormann , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" To: Julian Reschke References: <07DBAE10-D1FA-45C4-B7A2-321B265CA302@amsl.com> <694c9244-98ae-1e64-39ef-8756d48b36ef@gmx.de> <860c663b-744f-a033-cc50-96088bb1b33c@gmx.de> <04DCBCE3-2C8C-4B03-9081-EF2B7A5C6087@tzi.org> <4321EEBF-92C2-4405-81BD-899C0FCAC762@tzi.org> <5593c2d9-0bb4-93e9-f5d0-babf194340bf@levkowetz.com> <6BF7D165-EA48-44C1-9153-3F011058561F@tzi.org> <7088451e-745b-a31b-88fb-bce9cb48696a@levkowetz.com> <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:30:15 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_0E3B2EBE-65A1-4554-8E4A-E58DE97B8310 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 05.11.2019 18:16, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On 29.10.2019 08:04, Julian Reschke wrote: >>>> ... >>>> As a first step, I'd make it available exactly where the production >>>> center needs it right now, so that the publication process can = proceed. >>>>=20 >>>> (I think that means "in " right now) >>>> ... >>>=20 >>> ...and that would fix the issue for the document in AUTH48, and also >>> would allow a workaround for contributor insertion that doesn't = require >>> . >>>=20 >>> Another week has passed. How can we make progress here? Heather? >>>=20 >>> Best regards, Julian >>>=20 >>=20 >> Make
generally available, and trust the RPC to use it wisely. >=20 > It's not that easy. >=20 > If you allow it everywhere, you need to define how it behaves > everywhere, both for display, and when it gets referenced. >=20 It should tell the output formatter to put in whatever break is = appropriate to that format that will cause the next words to go to a new = line. Is that what you=E2=80=99re talking about? -Heather --Apple-Mail=_0E3B2EBE-65A1-4554-8E4A-E58DE97B8310 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:24 PM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

On 05.11.2019 18:16, Heather = Flanagan wrote:


On Nov 4, 2019, at 1:21 = PM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

On 29.10.2019 08:04, Julian Reschke wrote:
...
As a = first step, I'd make it available exactly where the production
center needs it right now, so that the publication process = can proceed.

(I think that means "in = <t>" right now)
...

...and that would fix the issue for the document in AUTH48, = and also
would allow a workaround for contributor = insertion that doesn't require
<artwork>.

Another week has passed. How can we make = progress here? Heather?

Best regards, = Julian


Make = <br> generally available, and trust the RPC to use it wisely.

It's not that easy.

If you allow it everywhere, you need to define how it = behaves
everywhere, = both for display, and when it gets referenced.


It should = tell the output formatter to put in whatever break is appropriate to = that format that will cause the next words to go to a new = line.

Is that what you=E2=80=99re = talking about?

-Heather


= --Apple-Mail=_0E3B2EBE-65A1-4554-8E4A-E58DE97B8310-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 10:34:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0ADB1201A3 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:34:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bQnE_SwY4mjH for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:34:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C393612013A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:34:11 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1572978829; bh=AWluwX67TAPcjP7GrQ4JS+JbtaUoUuYrTzKA+92WAsU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=gSq4nVwsb9bQZTAgcKFzXaxlLIojLcy1YHMufgcUcBO2e7olWmBrFRcSaOFWlqrdj u3OqcTIsVhk8UfHQVlYE/Jttvh1I84ai4SwwCB8YZGdDOLpVgBmO5qYV/oO0wuObI/ v1Ppn8LziGtzgyCYD/3Hu+Zz+Nnhj/HXAZttOuX4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.149.133]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M5QFB-1iSt7w0SEn-001Q9n; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:33:49 +0100 To: Heather Flanagan Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , Carsten Bormann , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" References: <860c663b-744f-a033-cc50-96088bb1b33c@gmx.de> <04DCBCE3-2C8C-4B03-9081-EF2B7A5C6087@tzi.org> <4321EEBF-92C2-4405-81BD-899C0FCAC762@tzi.org> <5593c2d9-0bb4-93e9-f5d0-babf194340bf@levkowetz.com> <6BF7D165-EA48-44C1-9153-3F011058561F@tzi.org> <7088451e-745b-a31b-88fb-bce9cb48696a@levkowetz.com> <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:33:42 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:VlMblJw4Gv9bearcq5TOf5euyK9TLGTOmw3fSuHA9gZLe496Ds8 YD5pN5T/nKDLYacghMvyq+kwazQNgFp04CjYCD5oasF3MP8GQ+HnSErCaSDLYkvz7U6EsNt YNl3wdB+7bK/TirJZX+UPIIPzw3sqKG2RQV14wJaU7seumX8hbW/dyHK5r3CaK02Eba5BFj 1FMLIwAfGWdbknDYjtL9w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Ezbcy5ykSEM=:eZ5ohpGEyYH1pB3FOLpctQ 3EeuBzM2Ht1l0NubxvIF0BxN+E/dCbj0AiCkz21WixkF3HJcaoGgZeG+axeFUbwVt2k7ywTdM HuBKsd4pt6Ss7JORBEer8brSkTOUQhPdKcQlo84OYG1iX07hMR+uX/mi6Q7iwJ6g3VTOmN4q+ TeIA0L4W9EVCnqQwdloCzIslwUa0PmdImsWPXP8U825r5tdlVpTI1yhImMyR1iTrvV27mZs8F vuEbK+0j2Q0bdKaD3HpMXBFIFdkGe29S6x2W9FRl8HQevpn4UWf/2yoIn/ga+u5nWypj/8fUE twzd48btpmVGlmhCnDGOYOSONoVOJCaOtYQw3aEkKycmxhQuPD1wOEfVRP3PNQ6qpONCcN6uX K/Ju86pdbugyPciD7ovKcLvyw/PsHKStP9PGgGmFNOBA+f3MItqnuzBtVFaWclZDTMbJ7Q8qV rSleuFS4O4jSKNRVe55mIjeJBabXPFn5bcEf68ZfJefrEXLR6pWDU7N4T1Er6h7+KLmEFCOkt rEKvjMClpEnf/d/twpYucsJqDhWlBY+R30BjTUNlQ1ITO4onTNh/c+qPSkz+bBdtnCnbSqT6r I3FevWxwkDlea9pqy0+21B6lItPcFrtc2nqE7fbm0HSPJDcbhoMG/4UtqW2Q0eia72q8MP3MB 3FucoFqeqz8g7816Z54itMSnTzDteGv+5IEtazC9SBCXYmhLy3RoNeCAXqkwaS/NzPCiLjzZ6 ox0GW9/e92K8PU8EVps8d6hFUnyi1qwFoOZYy5fvpY1ztgGDhXNbWsgI92Sn5SWS8MRLhGuQ8 a0XiUgOK7cjzyvIIPKalVgc2IbNM8CtCgEmAC8lDmMA5sUD3QorRdy9Urhqdm8LDRw3zUrTGo s3blIXb0XgVdScLHYt47fJoB9bSxTDKcVZY1lVfk+NqnUDmYS/s5QLsnSAVUg5pbwL6e/cKXy KnJslJyacZHsvnQ2gRiugfMC8uZr92w/4pEZBRGhI61nEJCZ65OyC5huwf1zlRZ4HtHTtR4QS dnR/stcELQeHNNW9SZ2VF6mizfuYgY/05zNMWpG15tLxfSwjKfLElBGSSyAB4XL+4Ff2OL0ED wpMphzAd4oxCoEazl0Guk1gI8DWg6sDKmrjue564RSK3KQDWGVivnx851wpctK3QO0P1EgEIf ih4lXDzfsGgE6YbUvR5ImtIH5YM296cKQRb0TBfJB/TE0zr8WvG1308mhu629R7KZrBDIC/4r atsKz3W0xs0uACS7CcjSM9WZTjkByr+zQDAhmXZAUMmH6EcBbcrS+bkNjzrg= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:34:14 -0000 On 05.11.2019 19:30, Heather Flanagan wrote: > ... > > It should tell the output formatter to put in whatever break is > appropriate to that format that will cause the next words to go to a new > line. > > Is that what you=E2=80=99re talking about? > ... What happens if you put a
into a section title, and that gets references in the TOC, or via "? What happens if you put a
into a document title, and it appears inside a ? Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Nov 5 10:36:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAAF6120892 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:35:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8lixkNHhRvhc for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:35:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7D7E51208D6 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:35:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6A9F40705; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:35:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e4EiYBahdhsw; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:35:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2620:f:8000:210:88d7:6470:4b0:5ef4] (unknown [IPv6:2620:f:8000:210:88d7:6470:4b0:5ef4]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A99E3F406F3; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:35:33 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) From: Heather Flanagan In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 13:35:49 -0500 Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , Carsten Bormann , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> References: <860c663b-744f-a033-cc50-96088bb1b33c@gmx.de> <04DCBCE3-2C8C-4B03-9081-EF2B7A5C6087@tzi.org> <4321EEBF-92C2-4405-81BD-899C0FCAC762@tzi.org> <5593c2d9-0bb4-93e9-f5d0-babf194340bf@levkowetz.com> <6BF7D165-EA48-44C1-9153-3F011058561F@tzi.org> <7088451e-745b-a31b-88fb-bce9cb48696a@levkowetz.com> <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:36:00 -0000 > On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 05.11.2019 19:30, Heather Flanagan wrote: >> ... >>=20 >> It should tell the output formatter to put in whatever break is >> appropriate to that format that will cause the next words to go to a = new >> line. >>=20 >> Is that what you=E2=80=99re talking about? >> ... >=20 > What happens if you put a
into a section title, and that gets > references in the TOC, or via "? It is ignored within the TOC (but does change the output in the text) >=20 > What happens if you put a
into a document title, and it appears > inside a ? >=20 It is ignored within the reference. -Heather= From nobody Tue Nov 5 10:41:27 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC2012011C for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:41:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6vjCc3wFA6Cu for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:41:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6FFE3120115 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:41:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1572979262; bh=lwonhLUcX0igroe3RcYWSRQbG2GyS0cDO+Zwa6k3TyI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=I7HRQWIvkdx6mHerel0jaMj7E3y8+hmoLbiVR3TO2dW7HqkgctAOZxQf7k1TLJoPM cbCJzRQqkfLeEe8iEbMPavfsUtp+1el7GyznyzNthuVcyyHXY8q5YCWTWgZoLz+89u RLKwvJpLbcWlyCBbz1LGy2O0Ag8wEZRuGVbDxRR4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.149.133]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MvbBu-1hci3n3hPa-00sdTZ; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:41:01 +0100 To: Heather Flanagan Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , Carsten Bormann , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" References: <4321EEBF-92C2-4405-81BD-899C0FCAC762@tzi.org> <5593c2d9-0bb4-93e9-f5d0-babf194340bf@levkowetz.com> <6BF7D165-EA48-44C1-9153-3F011058561F@tzi.org> <7088451e-745b-a31b-88fb-bce9cb48696a@levkowetz.com> <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <651ae3c5-1fbb-35f6-34f6-0d4a0ade6df0@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:40:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:g9pewR8Qu7JxydBso1iiD4kQuSCRkEqMEsmCGAHzNI0pwc5xjog nIurUNTZXM46AR+xeNLOEkIylvDyQMCrCkLLJDFzsg6jrpRrzew9tdgD01GFiBRCdX8sw0D TR2dKozltM+JQznfgkt7LQA4NXpCayjbva/d7lrRzP97fTinLxrSGxyiJNTtFrwYdbVxhav MwenPjc/abyKMNCiawJXA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:IW1jcrA9D0g=:Ew9Dw268sqsVLISSSiL9aG +Uo/RR4pPzXDjodppJyGjBndD6hX+q8OFOaZBSNxT3pBx0A2AKqrMaMDRUIaYAhW5pnH75fcS tPL6ZOxqHBLY/89mU0xLTtjPcSiUNdvMjhzeXBiFD93qhKKbycSL/9k9q9TtVu5LkEG8eR37M AoKLtfWnvJHaLBVGmvkNc+xCTzaOwRq+5xGJNo6qAl3kn2Xra9YCIyaOn3Ibg/vGQLw/HI7YF j8KtLWwT0D2VGih7DHaARioIz34RL0n70unrDxXQNUOUMz7pbo/cCpXDj4Gfgk17OYXChgM0m x9zSocmcvTgZbO6H+FaAnQK5IgQoKkeTO8kh5h7B1VWoWeqypm5WvRxfmLI0TsztisBrrVxia eTPQxctwZIE3EGYDXgMopvR/VlHk2xxShUiKVXzILTfJJQymRSXAkH69EMrFfmfJeuDhdT8r3 dNiHvaqHtygSNYcqwwpgL4IyY+vMeCpQF8cCZR+Ft+JNCStmEgguBf1Gr34a8lOh5S4HrPLPQ wxZa9Q7ydYuwomQGFVZTwhOTDGKZ8bQMs6gymWfn7oIfecyl6YbVjILprzfvbdNoi1UCdANeC e2hlQ/10+BDgpiVNDL3HfRLX0Tz9RCNUx5jOyBHu7yYSxix1TNMNxXoGJEkQA7rxGcrkOZVtH galTjamZtxlaMjXS+Rae90LJUG+FNF427sv21nnuAUD/EpEHCFaGbrMd1i7/ZlBhn4qXZMQkT lWTdM/Oxwj7IL/5ePGXxneXaJGqiHqVI+CK8aL6m1bNjZ6zcgx0p7qG5DZ+AsBMUY6JWpNkKy 3v0n98XPafynSZvjc/Xri5Pl9YMao9inS3mOcR3LnTUorEzvlXPCZwNmO+IuXUxVROfLx29jL K4WaNVBqqEe+hpMpzIwaYr76gGfXnT/ghputO6Fpx6F90h7IByBFG7VdPWQ4s8+LS5mcdkrdX vjNAl+1Un1y0G5uAdce1BD30q99w+TL1aKKrIKB+4U2KmcdUrnvW51PGhDaLRNGDOT6o+XxA4 IuBGbXRE9uufpTjbe6i/ifDfihyV68xs67uTY+wUmhYRSpjCj7TM02KqVOCvgX/nZyU/hWrt9 mQT9Cwnxj5vyBKn0rqYdqIM1QawfV4Je65peWOuwfCsI0qGvpY9vfqP6q7vEbmEsCqCRyvAIR gUoSo8ijCmDN2OKuA6oMN3j9Nj4czEi0gDbA4Jy3ByPx/Y+FIV4rlCEBU33XJghigLmKtUYyv 1SINofEa4lDb84sz3yiPaM9M5XmmRqs/sYiIso/6ERQnQW67mT7biD8XrWGU= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:41:26 -0000 On 05.11.2019 19:35, Heather Flanagan wrote: > > >> On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Julian Reschke wrot= e: >> >> On 05.11.2019 19:30, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>> ... >>> >>> It should tell the output formatter to put in whatever break is >>> appropriate to that format that will cause the next words to go to a n= ew >>> line. >>> >>> Is that what you=E2=80=99re talking about? >>> ... >> >> What happens if you put a
into a section title, and that gets >> references in the TOC, or via "? > > It is ignored within the TOC (but does change the output in the text) Ignoring would mean to have a section with a title of "A
B" to appear as "AB"... > ... Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Nov 5 10:43:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2011A12011C for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:43:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ubQekhefd6lQ for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B3737120115 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 10:43:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:53045 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iS3nT-0000do-0u; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 10:43:19 -0800 To: Heather Flanagan , Julian Reschke References: <4321EEBF-92C2-4405-81BD-899C0FCAC762@tzi.org> <5593c2d9-0bb4-93e9-f5d0-babf194340bf@levkowetz.com> <6BF7D165-EA48-44C1-9153-3F011058561F@tzi.org> <7088451e-745b-a31b-88fb-bce9cb48696a@levkowetz.com> <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> Cc: Carsten Bormann , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <6c67abbc-542d-f734-d462-658ae8ad0820@levkowetz.com> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 19:43:10 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Q10fjhonF4ftxpaGxBJPjLtGbgXI5BsH5" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, cabo@tzi.org, julian.reschke@gmx.de, rse@rfc-editor.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:43:22 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Q10fjhonF4ftxpaGxBJPjLtGbgXI5BsH5 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="4WhBiOskg8NPPdAVogrj0ABgDRDjr4nGe"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Heather Flanagan , Julian Reschke Cc: Carsten Bormann , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" Message-ID: <6c67abbc-542d-f734-d462-658ae8ad0820@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 References: <860c663b-744f-a033-cc50-96088bb1b33c@gmx.de> <04DCBCE3-2C8C-4B03-9081-EF2B7A5C6087@tzi.org> <4321EEBF-92C2-4405-81BD-899C0FCAC762@tzi.org> <5593c2d9-0bb4-93e9-f5d0-babf194340bf@levkowetz.com> <6BF7D165-EA48-44C1-9153-3F011058561F@tzi.org> <7088451e-745b-a31b-88fb-bce9cb48696a@levkowetz.com> <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> --4WhBiOskg8NPPdAVogrj0ABgDRDjr4nGe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-11-05 19:35, Heather Flanagan wrote: >=20 >> On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Julian Reschke wro= te: >>=20 >> On 05.11.2019 19:30, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>> ... >>>=20 >>> It should tell the output formatter to put in whatever break is >>> appropriate to that format that will cause the next words to go to a = new >>> line. >>>=20 >>> Is that what you=E2=80=99re talking about? >>> ... >>=20 >> What happens if you put a
into a section title, and that gets >> references in the TOC, or via "? >=20 > It is ignored within the TOC (but does change the output in the text) >=20 >>=20 >> What happens if you put a
into a document title, and it appears >> inside a ? >>=20 >=20 > It is ignored within the reference. All of that works for me; straightforward and sensible. I think all of that matches what I do today for &br; . 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is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:52:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9B215D08B081A35A23754151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05.11.2019 19:43, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > > On 2019-11-05 19:35, Heather Flanagan wrote: >> >>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Julian Reschke wro= te: >>> >>> On 05.11.2019 19:30, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>>> ... >>>> >>>> It should tell the output formatter to put in whatever break is >>>> appropriate to that format that will cause the next words to go to a = new >>>> line. >>>> >>>> Is that what you=E2=80=99re talking about? >>>> ... >>> >>> What happens if you put a
into a section title, and that gets >>> references in the TOC, or via "? >> >> It is ignored within the TOC (but does change the output in the text) >> >>> >>> What happens if you put a
into a document title, and it appears >>> inside a ? >>> >> >> It is ignored within the reference. > > All of that works for me; straightforward and sensible. I think all > of that matches what I do today for &br; . > ... This doesn't match what what I see; in TXT output, the line is broken, in HTML output,
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is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 18:55:51 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2360513D-BC27-44DA-95C7-CB074F0338CF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 05.11.2019 19:43, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>=20 >> On 2019-11-05 19:35, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> On 05.11.2019 19:30, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>>>> ... >>>>>=20 >>>>> It should tell the output formatter to put in whatever break is >>>>> appropriate to that format that will cause the next words to go to = a new >>>>> line. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Is that what you=E2=80=99re talking about? >>>>> ... >>>>=20 >>>> What happens if you put a
into a section title, and that gets >>>> references in the TOC, or via "? >>>=20 >>> It is ignored within the TOC (but does change the output in the = text) >>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> What happens if you put a
into a document title, and it = appears >>>> inside a ? >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> It is ignored within the reference. >>=20 >> All of that works for me; straightforward and sensible. I think all >> of that matches what I do today for &br; . >> ... >=20 > This doesn't match what what I see; in TXT output, the line is broken, > in HTML output,
in inserted. >=20 > See attachments. Matching what you see aside, do you have any concerns with my = requirements? Heather --Apple-Mail=_2360513D-BC27-44DA-95C7-CB074F0338CF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8

On Nov 5, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

On 05.11.2019 19:43, Henrik = Levkowetz wrote:

On 2019-11-05 19:35, = Heather Flanagan wrote:

On Nov 5, = 2019, at 1:33 PM, Julian Reschke <julian.reschke@gmx.de> wrote:

On 05.11.2019 19:30, Heather Flanagan wrote:
...

It should tell the output formatter to put in whatever break = is
appropriate to that format that will cause the next = words to go to a new
line.

Is = that what you=E2=80=99re talking about?
...

What happens if you put a = <br> into a section title, and that gets
references = in the TOC, or via <xref format=3D"title"..:>"?

It is ignored within the TOC (but = does change the output in the text)


What = happens if you put a <br> into a document title, and it appears
inside a <reference>?


It is ignored within the = reference.

All of that works = for me; straightforward and sensible.  I think all
of = that matches what I do today for &br; .
...

This doesn't match what what I see; in TXT output, the line = is broken,
in HTML = output, <br> in inserted.

See attachments.

Matching what you see aside, do = you have any concerns with my requirements?

Heather

= --Apple-Mail=_2360513D-BC27-44DA-95C7-CB074F0338CF-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 11:30:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09D811200F4 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:30:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H6sLOXxgA_Xn for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:30:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CABFF12004A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:30:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1572982232; bh=aKY3guzd9LFl2OUwx7fy7yKhEUnfMsEZ0aIY/Qnc7rc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=KgeqWhqhsUOMPrHxda/1y6a6c/R8mD0sAopXyvr6c2dzCFwyMteh0SMNFCw8AI3YG eW4gJaJCdjPSq1MA0jbcKsfvPzLqIBUMlYs1mLO9aeo9BNOo1g2dID9tJ8VoQ4T51m VNb49kcHnNNHjPY801Mi5eP7pnP/GurKGkw3ISTA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.149.133]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MUosT-1iIxiL2vVB-00QkjT; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:30:32 +0100 To: Heather Flanagan Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" References: <6BF7D165-EA48-44C1-9153-3F011058561F@tzi.org> <7088451e-745b-a31b-88fb-bce9cb48696a@levkowetz.com> <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> <6c67abbc-542d-f734-d462-658ae8ad0820@levkowetz.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <951cb208-e942-6b60-ce51-3629a4320e5b@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:30:31 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:QlNAuEDPP6AaWnjK0ngYIKi33cawVAHoMT8qsLENEoQVnus3oIz 3NcjvZW3eZJlQHkCyn5485o2+SOCzpgXPUdh+KKJ/XWoPQL8idQJiqrd0LuAiXbybKC/x5u NZe+JyxQgeu+4tILGQMxRftjJn0SVQUVv8Z1LXq+tlwq1XfF2QFmg6A2x9zrLxDoGZbQqba dbqW3mWWtBSmagEVnRNIA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:CWpLwabM6po=:4jERsBXlpF2Z3UpB5d9E1U sl3eZBQH4PRaqYPZCxhDNZisV+8p7KzC1NuNjW7Ax0e10cIjisjZAghnSLvSgArdvFjlkJtHt rZsI1Qw0pRnotzdMbL+v2axSVIOXJ7Zm0JpSjIJ+2dnOFRWwJTcKA2FOInpCaMaCUWDVtsYTf op55OjYMC7I67N4Eoow5utXxYplbtwo0+ukakeZzUZF+26Ag7bK+hCc/sMWXDwH9beVy5maRk vU0ycgjzzEKdRlex5lcX7rDHAv1Yz3nKvu1oHuEyRdl+eIwHb/BLIg3UJJOw8NxcnNM8FoZue ZBppAR3Vby9wZnvHwMTUdNeOM0sFW+AXWvZml/nxohWgDPpLeljtpAQQbBfWoCe5klj1FDAHs zsMLVHuGR6XhJdgDwaUtOdyCBtx6ZRqDxLz4uFaUWQxZbPUox7pyjehNJNhBWqZGvWeNAfg/C LzkkQlC3poVhGma/zVjNLuzv4UTHrZpgPNyHB9Mrw7lggP29XWUmYG6qtP1Dcrrnb3uQ/qtdE g4qOnKN64wG85Pedh0ErW1VqoXXGU63plquWq7h3zpFlXhctKh027UtBBMeJXgm3QWpEsGjgC Ysaz8egMpBzyh12gmSFJmN8K+32B6blRK3irTgpNxFsR2+zq7madTkJCbbP1Nv1FKJ1Dq8cf9 ViZJiBR++tn44S3hUs7u3faWEkwOF7HhmFuT4QVL4bsT8JIEcPCEn3X8rDn9aYWQ0vIt6mPtx u77wemFyqPQFLXNt6Gj/tJKOfT7lTxrjpCwt3Y+ys2CiMzcD0AePiHsBqdOg9/gT/bqmu30JX Aw2+pdmcM0omHOVjmkXLRCOzUikrknsEDgQI4YJlYl5A9p7ckXTtLLC9DXf93GpjvnYANYuMR PLScxkrRuE/ynwTgfCC1z5OOWeOsOWvQ7XnQ62EmEhinLyOtl5j0qMQCswdGqjp6RstPHB9fw GhZRaqWgrIXmnJOrbDk+roRki2o1ppCfdzyf6l2jAh9qPbe5xQA7DhBfY8f/e4yQLrUeGdcQG ZjfyW2IbeWY+VatiqMC6w937vzyl8g9193zFZlm43Oz6etANjt5MVye80NCHNvk1IiVjoXHLd T35i6Kebj7aIHBHln0dB90mkhl8Xra2nRaWVckpb+aSmOK2QySChf3IR9b+kb+rjKrBjuj7Ew 21t1V2qALF1j1IU5JlhfLTWNyAr8iIHT/Ok44AtjRI6bwRNATWcTyZHmPNmStqRora5dUT4aA y4wg3lSIGqX8UKqZY7OgStZTWeVaBCSWm3GtHS41LdIFzjhXfUl6WsbLadOs= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:30:57 -0000 On 05.11.2019 19:55, Heather Flanagan wrote: > ... > > Matching what you see aside, do you have any concerns with my requiremen= ts? > > Heather Yes, of course. "Ignoring" the
is the wrong thing; you would need to treat is just like a regular whitespace character. So "A
B" when referenced would be treated just like "A B". I also recommend to read the HTML5 spec with respect to when
is valid in HTML; we wouldn't want to create invalid HTML, right? "br elements must not be used for separating thematic groups in a paragraph." -- Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Nov 5 11:37:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0CB912093D for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:37:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xrscrZLgN96I for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4D001120A77 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:37:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8159CF40710; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:36:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rK5vJmUQeGkb; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:36:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2620:f:8000:210:88d7:6470:4b0:5ef4] (unknown [IPv6:2620:f:8000:210:88d7:6470:4b0:5ef4]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6EC6AF4047C; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:36:48 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) From: Heather Flanagan In-Reply-To: <951cb208-e942-6b60-ce51-3629a4320e5b@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:37:03 -0500 Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <4B6CDE05-0712-4287-B9DB-953169D2C218@rfc-editor.org> References: <6BF7D165-EA48-44C1-9153-3F011058561F@tzi.org> <7088451e-745b-a31b-88fb-bce9cb48696a@levkowetz.com> <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> <6c67abbc-542d-f734-d462-658ae8ad0820@levkowetz.com> <951cb208-e942-6b60-ce51-3629a4320e5b@gmx.de> To: Julian Reschke X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:37:19 -0000 > On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 05.11.2019 19:55, Heather Flanagan wrote: >> ... >>=20 >> Matching what you see aside, do you have any concerns with my = requirements? >>=20 >> Heather >=20 > Yes, of course. To be clear, for my own sanity: Yes, of course you have concerns with the functional requirement I = described, or Yes, of course you have concerns with how the requirement is technically = implemented? =20 Or both? >=20 > "Ignoring" the
is the wrong thing; you would need to treat is = just > like a regular whitespace character. So >=20 > "A
B" >=20 > when referenced would be treated just like "A B". >=20 > I also recommend to read the HTML5 spec with respect to when
is > valid in HTML; we wouldn't want to create invalid HTML, right? How
is implemented in the different outputs is going to be = contingent on the requirements of that format and what is considered = valid. So, of course we want valid HTML. Whether that means a = transformation from what the XML says into what the HTML requires is an = implementation I don=E2=80=99t have an opinion on. My job is to offer = the functional requirements, not tell the developer how to do the job. -Heather >=20 > "br elements must not be used for separating thematic groups in a > paragraph." -- > = >=20 > Best regards, Julian >=20 From nobody Tue Nov 5 11:48:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13A951200FF for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:48:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id acytuiruhoXV for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:48:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F2FDD1200F4 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 11:48:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1572983268; bh=EBVmirRXdS7uTfKxnbJn/b95fI8HcQ0680FhfZOeiEE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Jts4dckJCxT9tvIlzikaWb2qwrwderRQIxKK9BkTAfXjWIXrAG2kMWgdGTH85/0xx ZjrF4S0PQSfrNbsv9jKQBJ7yuIi0CEljmbCg1WhCrvDU39xucWNZBSGp1pMwct+UEL 0jiUyzL8BEcnmYGyoBRlfvGaPGKuYAuKNEnSXW+Q= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.149.133]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mf078-1hzsre2AMk-00gas5; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:47:48 +0100 To: Heather Flanagan Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" References: <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> <6c67abbc-542d-f734-d462-658ae8ad0820@levkowetz.com> <951cb208-e942-6b60-ce51-3629a4320e5b@gmx.de> <4B6CDE05-0712-4287-B9DB-953169D2C218@rfc-editor.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 20:47:45 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4B6CDE05-0712-4287-B9DB-953169D2C218@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:iS7oxoWKrV5o6m+AkDP8qWwp89Xodk9ilhHL/8RhC4al50Em8SP YTjVC/cEYbHPLXsPGvJV37z8BA66P01Mh+0BoLCr4G5DaQYvuyMOpLV8uUiJmOQzQHyNEzK AJDbq5abLYUGItUwb28m2fJfWJCxtOTJc8uVQT+a/rxYVfTlrB7awjvDBFlfnWjmq4n/To8 feY0A79GbllKfk1H2CrpQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:LzptDvC8q4k=:ZWg//G7LNXeYxmxGwULTJc KDDMzbkH0Fc0xIJ3Q8sicFt1eKaVTtbxSxFtPKJw33KfsU2S4CAkU37qz7kUDsAIka1K/1VNd P/DEs5cfrGOS7iDHOvvan7BtVvboIxpJKdmQZEj0BHqAgUY1t9ci3ltmx920a+RcJ5PWQMEqh Y5iFbRqRmdUDvY6z7aJ/4u2XplxTLgnYhT8D9mxQyxfSGBBrdojJ285R72B3nSq1t9AZSti5g TPSHIImqefiI7Oo5Oupl1IfCANVqkcj9yUNaJH7W/2LfiLQwW+ABzsD/MSZhfAlF+mmDhjHyv wh8M7nlso45pWk8aDErXqiBmETbAcbZlL9EmVvJtAtNScBzIaKR2l0G1N05YOlNWq/gIRvfkp /xFeZaOUgAAXEv/bJ+0ATp6MNkFBmYqiC4BoSTs7GGRkhvgVpSSEwUb5N5mcrAlMqxnc1fSH8 fvf62/3LJnrBEhOzsU1rr03gEODrfoK7zFDzIPErlA6avC0MrRdSs4Tb+4cM3ABI1/lLKR632 sd8tL3H1STWG2PaIKzY0slkbL55xcYXPhRuIL/B+x2rcrLoLaBM6OEX22e/xOkUQONZa0g7xH 6JfImgQxHtfuIM3etMPuAEiMWMo5F2EdYei7Ai7j40aCN78Zjyf3pRpqOlHsYPh/K0OoX03D0 G8RKbHWmb7POczvaYspDidsnrvFDI5VUXuMptP5Z71dXDuocqyVW+0rI3WwJE8ErF1E4GAQ9t ieyGZEZhOP6slSXkBapcv+0xQNw/s/2sTMVf2ujl6PEeGKRA4IKi8AWQHt+BypRK/Q7PpcQZE ZRwfyrpktFQIrhPPS3Q/rCrzr7xrR5FHC6EC1dGhWuZSB2psgbgyDAY7LtsUFSOcAgoLO4ggm YjS0L3UJD1DAPGM+1xdwf0yGKXCZE3TZ1fERMIuMIbPgfom4bceG4so7UVfDPSDuuc1wwcscv gg5LkzV0E/M4kePNGR3CKjV2XQDRlLZooVou3+lAPwkiJoaDtZ07K4kvRQ8eCcXjF430gaU6H YBeNgqJyKXCUbcjQdsdP4tcOIsSkRQVjWpofs8Yz7hHxYtxzYd+X+4QS1khpMqwlOaOeMNGnA cZzM5ut01fWNC9YjPhFL3WNsQe0RmdeamxqQjUMMuvZ6Bh/u1is56Mv2kjHIr4/TuZuRSBQp4 RFlI/V9FHFdOQB1HVcnSoSlwHUP+DkyZ2vGkVe3MKFB08QODICfNS085diJ4Wz0tcupVSy7Qu da2ng1Hq2qJW8LPXuNpKVOEYIgEXDS4GgrUM7L5FPNh8/M1eWEr6Yekh1HCU= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:48:08 -0000 On 05.11.2019 20:37, Heather Flanagan wrote: > > >> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Julian Reschke wrot= e: >> >> On 05.11.2019 19:55, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>> ... >>> >>> Matching what you see aside, do you have any concerns with my requirem= ents? >>> >>> Heather >> >> Yes, of course. > > To be clear, for my own sanity: > > Yes, of course you have concerns with the functional requirement I descr= ibed, or You said that "
" should be ignored when the document/section title is referenced. I believe that's wrong; it should be treated as whitespace. > Yes, of course you have concerns with how the requirement is technically= implemented? Well, xml2rfc currently does not implement
, but is does implement the unicode line break character (). *That* implementation carries over the line break into the ToC, and I believe that's wrong, and it also does not seem to be what you want. (I did not check what happens with or , but I can check that if that's of interest). > ... > How
is implemented in the different outputs is going to be continge= nt on the requirements of that format and what is considered valid. So, of= course we want valid HTML. Whether that means a transformation from what = the XML says into what the HTML requires is an implementation I don=E2=80= =99t have an opinion on. My job is to offer the functional requirements, n= ot tell the developer how to do the job. > ... I agree with that, but I note that RFC 7992 tried to actually do that :-). > ... 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is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:56:15 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0FCF95BCAC6234DD1C935E6B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 05.11.2019 20:47, Julian Reschke wrote: > On 05.11.2019 20:37, Heather Flanagan wrote: >> >> >>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Julian Reschke >>> wrote: >>> >>> On 05.11.2019 19:55, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>>> ... >>>> >>>> Matching what you see aside, do you have any concerns with my >>>> requirements? >>>> >>>> Heather >>> >>> Yes, of course. >> >> To be clear, for my own sanity: >> >> Yes, of course you have concerns with the functional requirement I >> described, or > > You said that "
" should be ignored when the document/section title > is referenced. I believe that's wrong; it should be treated as whitespac= e. > >> Yes, of course you have concerns with how the requirement is >> technically implemented? > > Well, xml2rfc currently does not implement
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is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 19:59:39 -0000 > On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > On 05.11.2019 20:37, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On 05.11.2019 19:55, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>>> ... >>>>=20 >>>> Matching what you see aside, do you have any concerns with my = requirements? >>>>=20 >>>> Heather >>>=20 >>> Yes, of course. >>=20 >> To be clear, for my own sanity: >>=20 >> Yes, of course you have concerns with the functional requirement I = described, or >=20 > You said that "
" should be ignored when the document/section = title > is referenced. I believe that's wrong; it should be treated as = whitespace. OK. I=E2=80=99m assuming it=E2=80=99s an implementation detail to make = sure we don=E2=80=99t end up with double spaces, then? >=20 >> Yes, of course you have concerns with how the requirement is = technically implemented? >=20 > Well, xml2rfc currently does not implement
, but is does implement > the unicode line break character > (). = *That* > implementation carries over the line break into the ToC, and I believe > that's wrong, and it also does not seem to be what you want. (I did = not > check what happens with or , but I can check that if > that's of interest). It=E2=80=99s something fixable. I expect Henrik is working on it. >=20 >> ... >> How
is implemented in the different outputs is going to be = contingent on the requirements of that format and what is considered = valid. So, of course we want valid HTML. Whether that means a = transformation from what the XML says into what the HTML requires is an = implementation I don=E2=80=99t have an opinion on. My job is to offer = the functional requirements, not tell the developer how to do the job. >> ... >=20 > I agree with that, but I note that RFC 7992 tried to actually do that = :-). We=E2=80=99re trying to do a lot of things.=20 -Heather= From nobody Tue Nov 5 12:09:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A84120B28 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:09:13 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cre8DZEu-asS for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:09:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.22]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7E801120B1B for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 12:09:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1572984533; bh=FLqe5CVKv2ugBeKJC3F05L86h/DskjYEyAukp2PaI38=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=D8zKwXYSrIQw4GNV5pxD8PHKK1j468vK7W/waOmOLeBQutRNwuM1JHhg/BnR9D5De XTBZGl+TzL6rDouAJVB1d0xXaUcg4iJoBBTYGr5lAYTz0VsJg6atWwwnaZobP3X4Hd 61IhZ23+3X96I7J64pPtjWGY2pFAlFZWHmrUHyK4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.149.133]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MJE6F-1iCtdG2P87-00Kg6U; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 21:08:53 +0100 To: Heather Flanagan Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" References: <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> <6c67abbc-542d-f734-d462-658ae8ad0820@levkowetz.com> <951cb208-e942-6b60-ce51-3629a4320e5b@gmx.de> <4B6CDE05-0712-4287-B9DB-953169D2C218@rfc-editor.org> <345F3DA7-A0A6-4C45-A30E-FF09CA6E76AE@rfc-editor.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <241f8c7f-fd0d-5f29-c7e1-9b0b12ce1b2b@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 21:08:50 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <345F3DA7-A0A6-4C45-A30E-FF09CA6E76AE@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:e1Lgq0Fu3FbkQdCFTXX4og7/8S+6GwUKqW9eG1RR8NxCHflU68L Kg4yaKd/KhcB/VZNDgSRw4ia7FCUp9axxhUhXr8/f9QBRsRmSGVaDOMC2uM+VpTMEO5rm8L gbshU7b+FBDvQ+MlsuJew5tAHwzL6ydj1wyazTwcwx11Br/XBUT0/+Rm9HP50nliaHOPF/e QZ/fnWfsPuJUWP8IZSfDA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rsZGupFc4Qs=:Tz2/yvwK46nMPi4YNb/FNx Q5teYpkE5TsgUArsaV58tfI9rWAMxNElYe2zqyZjAtFijiedgV6RNoTh6z2/YKmI6/wue2t2q S8jxFQaQF+UlXm1gl1UCZIMz2ZPC/epumFbTiqMoZnMsZd+xUICF+WEvGKZidya1T/Aznvu/P 2R+0Yzvnn9Q+FIE8PRnaef8osTkvS/6+WPCvnDmMJb1oDX1L4xLGFAkNzRSDuZWL4LeFmgxDn +Ba4EJ5M0o7nCkCuVro0NUbSu5hswl4+qGOyRwcy7Yz5DG4Mp7UsqzD+ULEJN5yZ6iLgN8Tad PyM1rqXLdVNbx3QOEd0ojoMHyjv5RLps2Xo3d2ln2Fyu7ClWBMZKAmKAF6QQunQWvFrGNcBeZ 2sNLNXBFArwpEjjpbwW0CWKZIURAjxEU6Ytb0PO3a5a+dPZOfw1RSL5LBN9vGvZTw3yt2HdbO vZpTeuLStVJKjxkvb/t2e8ScXGnws9SnUyn2AkJB8zM+CRc9i0sfK6Yw5EiPp0ZVsNC+/WzAS fAbjWkMp5LHp9fgVrC6WVqLo6CXxa8+CPfx1neaYyc0RnRjZib8LWgxwNjhwCrEH644gAxbAL F1dBD2n9x1nLY5aMF88W+PUn9at+7cVi+5qg64fEh5T5FFOLZYe9fX2W5Muc0IcqKICr4/jiB 2prMGy0uW44iiY87vSghWkhXHvl1Sea8y1XgDbJY5YIMrDnscfJqDoorolxcEzS0o8I1Py70M u1oky1vEUCU6ggYzmw9kUNZMRtlI+MhMXlihzBOzMk1iqZfIMcfP2vkOSYALT7EuIcOjuicJ/ LZSLQNPP552kebOAbv81TANcZ3bJ1wyscUTMN20VQ5R2aK/5KHNmhiS4sKw/UROTtX7fx3gS5 9W3XbtaIkr3g7YlxWN9hl+WZ72KRPrCYFiTd7AMK08CkJISEV7p9LHV7wdukbyDCxwqSfDuk+ dRcL4SZCRtMxCJAkHcuPiuXeAefgYg274inPjQvG8XQPE2TRXlcyM+u3FfIkeJY9i+QNF+e68 MDZEB5a6wlnJfhdxY4Gj2flmjpdjE0mZiFxQ/UAE0fmgqWQGLnM5hGeewkj1I61rfQQp97+5y oLHIpoF2Dvh9imCBASAjcmiajovch/2DldYMm7oRoOkOOh/MexJr3PWIns2vLxJQWsMjjNn4/ eX/Q9j8Kta2KMuKW2r0weupIulgRoqlEr2pQLzmuuHCeX0UzNsVau/fh3ZpHeIX1uUDn1Za6k 0Oe8/uqOPph0dUKTqqghjulWXtZvD6zGowaUF+ltJwb5O2H2agKkjEThUNng= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 20:09:14 -0000 On 05.11.2019 20:59, Heather Flanagan wrote: > > >> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:47 PM, Julian Reschke wrot= e: >> >> On 05.11.2019 20:37, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>> >>> >>>> On Nov 5, 2019, at 2:30 PM, Julian Reschke wr= ote: >>>> >>>> On 05.11.2019 19:55, Heather Flanagan wrote: >>>>> ... >>>>> >>>>> Matching what you see aside, do you have any concerns with my requir= ements? >>>>> >>>>> Heather >>>> >>>> Yes, of course. >>> >>> To be clear, for my own sanity: >>> >>> Yes, of course you have concerns with the functional requirement I des= cribed, or >> >> You said that "
" should be ignored when the document/section title >> is referenced. I believe that's wrong; it should be treated as whitespa= ce. > > OK. I=E2=80=99m assuming it=E2=80=99s an implementation detail to make s= ure we don=E2=80=99t end up with double spaces, then? That's actually a good question. In general, in text content, we already collapse multiple whitespace characters to a single one (exceptions are only and ). >>> Yes, of course you have concerns with how the requirement is technical= ly implemented? >> >> Well, xml2rfc currently does not implement
, but is does implement >> the unicode line break character >> (). *That= * >> implementation carries over the line break into the ToC, and I believe >> that's wrong, and it also does not seem to be what you want. (I did not >> check what happens with or , but I can check that if >> that's of interest). > > It=E2=80=99s something fixable. I expect Henrik is working on it. Yes, sure. But that requires somebody to say what the expected output is. That's what I've been asking for the whole time. >>> ... >>> How
is implemented in the different outputs is going to be contin= gent on the requirements of that format and what is considered valid. So, = of course we want valid HTML. Whether that means a transformation from wha= t the XML says into what the HTML requires is an implementation I don=E2= =80=99t have an opinion on. My job is to offer the functional requirements= , not tell the developer how to do the job. >>> ... >> >> I agree with that, but I note that RFC 7992 tried to actually do that := -). > > We=E2=80=99re trying to do a lot of things. Let me rephrase this. I always thought that RFC 7992 is way over the top in making requirements on the HTML output. I think when doing 7992bis, we'll need to take out lots of these requirements, and just let the developer find the best HTML output. Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Nov 5 14:57:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B70CD12008F for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:57:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.888 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.888 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OIybMIFBGUmY for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1890:126c::1:2a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 325BC120025 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 14:57:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from h-202-242.a357.priv.bahnhof.se ([158.174.202.242]:55799 helo=tannat.localdomain) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iS7l3-0005SX-Jr; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 14:57:06 -0800 To: Heather Flanagan , Julian Reschke References: <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> <6c67abbc-542d-f734-d462-658ae8ad0820@levkowetz.com> <951cb208-e942-6b60-ce51-3629a4320e5b@gmx.de> <4B6CDE05-0712-4287-B9DB-953169D2C218@rfc-editor.org> <345F3DA7-A0A6-4C45-A30E-FF09CA6E76AE@rfc-editor.org> Cc: "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 23:56:58 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <345F3DA7-A0A6-4C45-A30E-FF09CA6E76AE@rfc-editor.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="bgjDHjpqScpBTrIkOssPVLouKuxWbv71V" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 158.174.202.242 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, julian.reschke@gmx.de, rse@rfc-editor.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
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is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 References: <34FFD9FB-7D0A-4BEE-9BAD-AFBD7F883CE6@amsl.com> <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> <6c67abbc-542d-f734-d462-658ae8ad0820@levkowetz.com> <951cb208-e942-6b60-ce51-3629a4320e5b@gmx.de> <4B6CDE05-0712-4287-B9DB-953169D2C218@rfc-editor.org> <345F3DA7-A0A6-4C45-A30E-FF09CA6E76AE@rfc-editor.org> In-Reply-To: <345F3DA7-A0A6-4C45-A30E-FF09CA6E76AE@rfc-editor.org> --j7RUkqGFxpx47kpJiPCE1LCWru9MBaQMA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-11-05 20:59, Heather Flanagan wrote: >> Well, xml2rfc currently does not implement
, but is does implement= >> the unicode line break character >> (). *Tha= t* >> implementation carries over the line break into the ToC, and I believe= >> that's wrong, and it also does not seem to be what you want. (I did no= t >> check what happens with or , but I can check that if= >> that's of interest). > > It=E2=80=99s something fixable. I expect Henrik is working on it. Yup. Henrik --j7RUkqGFxpx47kpJiPCE1LCWru9MBaQMA-- --bgjDHjpqScpBTrIkOssPVLouKuxWbv71V Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3B/joACgkQTptXS4+7 FxqKWhAAjWO+XvAL5OEssb+euolJCB/vCBHOCFlWldT3LivAJf9eC+Bnxj4+0T6W YWhKzJJ0t7WqmOL+f7tYAoG4NZ8hA41nmR/WmcDDbxtniXG04WmX9SCzff6Cc10H GEQp0YUWWuzy6btf2EmUd6XALa+er2sSHTPqON5nQ2HkqadtSJ+O39NNeaQR/0Tg thD+oiyyysH4JIxLliEFlllDyM2MJquR51olzRsj4ZJeZs5uOQLFjBYZ8PPwSrsv lHfUxYLZFZ7uhpVBSx0OnTnYb5JW3tvcnFSvWsccaRZWmZ5qKJkTUg/IeBsArIY6 +hGP9F5unsA/IWp2QzDUW6nyBUWYAmmJG5fXUhS0QpVaVAjXQoOCQtcxppMzb8dm emIsxbLdf4a7W3BJ1l4oSZstSEovi4vC3F1o9cgba70hJPe1s+8lasb3DxSSdb1n 2fsCy4i39/izZp4/GrNrC0BH+IMoVIM0+iVUPhsV3jwhRYF7GXSYaTJ+G7MCEviK v3h7hMlz/u9vdEbZGSFNbDqMlKG2t6tMsgBSk6Efxc39klDH7B6yEdQkZmapsHeb dC4KV+hNc/s0/flzpv1j6z67qNac6qhj2swyg31bhKwZyt3gJmF+yL60PIpMam04 yYE9DLe2xdppj7SDZ2UbfTA7RkVm5Vp0qBzbVaJsI6VGNv9b2pk= =n+oV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --bgjDHjpqScpBTrIkOssPVLouKuxWbv71V-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 15:10:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2093512008F for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:10:36 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zWflfIFHqqQE for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:10:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppa5.dc.icann.org (ppa5.dc.icann.org [192.0.46.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C8D9C120072 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:10:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from PFE112-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (out.west.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) by ppa5.dc.icann.org (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with ESMTPS id xA5NAXwU013687 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 23:10:33 GMT Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:10:31 -0800 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1497.000; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 15:10:31 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman To: "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
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is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 23:23:06 -0000 --000000000000c36e230596a1b6bf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Paul, IMHO, searching on the XML is wrong for someone researching the actual protocols, etc. being documented. It would only be appropriate for someone looking for examples of how to code various constructs in XML. Cheers, Andy On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 6:10 PM Paul Hoffman wrote: > A side-effect of the use of
in titles, names, and so on means that > searching will likely always then be done on the HTML output, not on the > canonical XML. If folks are comfortable with that, great, but it does make > one of the output formats more important than the canonical format. > > --Paul Hoffman > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc-dev mailing list > xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc-dev > --000000000000c36e230596a1b6bf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paul,

IMHO, searching on the XML is wro= ng=C2=A0for someone researching the actual protocols, etc. being documented= . It would only be appropriate=C2=A0for someone looking for examples of how= to code various constructs in XML.

Cheers,
<= div>Andy


On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 6:10 PM Paul Hoffman &= lt;paul.hoffman@icann.org>= wrote:
A side-e= ffect of the use of <br/> in titles, names, and so on means that sear= ching will likely always then be done on the HTML output, not on the canoni= cal XML. If folks are comfortable with that, great, but it does make one of= the output formats more important than the canonical format.

--Paul Hoffman
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--000000000000c36e230596a1b6bf-- From nobody Wed Nov 6 07:29:28 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B5E61208E1 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:29:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id khI1Lo8Z3n9Y for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 775E91208B0 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C203F40721; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:29:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at rfc-editor.org Received: from rfc-editor.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rfcpa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QyPmbr_b7UoQ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [IPv6:2620:f:8000:210:fca3:d74b:58b3:5ebe] (unknown [IPv6:2620:f:8000:210:fca3:d74b:58b3:5ebe]) by rfc-editor.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A65DBF40720; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:29:06 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.0 \(3601.0.10\)) From: Heather Flanagan In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 10:29:23 -0500 Cc: "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <019a4a58-ca92-0497-1155-303fba341241@gmx.de> <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> <6c67abbc-542d-f734-d462-658ae8ad0820@levkowetz.com> <951cb208-e942-6b60-ce51-3629a4320e5b@gmx.de> <4B6CDE05-0712-4287-B9DB-953169D2C218@rfc-editor.org> <345F3DA7-A0A6-4C45-A30E-FF09CA6E76AE@rfc-editor.org> To: Paul Hoffman X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3601.0.10) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 15:29:26 -0000 > On Nov 5, 2019, at 6:10 PM, Paul Hoffman = wrote: >=20 > A side-effect of the use of
in titles, names, and so on means = that searching will likely always then be done on the HTML output, not = on the canonical XML. If folks are comfortable with that, great, but it = does make one of the output formats more important than the canonical = format. A good point, but I will be very, very surprised if anyone choses to do = their indexing, etc, against the XML. Google scholar insists on HTML = whenever possible, and other services do much the same. -Heather= From nobody Wed Nov 6 07:34:47 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C162D1208F2 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:34:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FZRPNWLWZVAF for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:34:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 99C221208E7 for ; Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:34:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1573054453; bh=I+p4htoiU4nNouixyGPg1V+QTv+2KmhDsbh+euob4Io=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=keSlkDJFu3DJrTjRFjfwtb4MOvCUVhlxFb2MgCoCqn/8GnsNQkcOOS6U/HgYaJdDV wcSx1+QUO+Xtv2TN36NKOnF3bT+7Yg2rVyQ16djaMetHsaRpCL68PMhlmXQexK9NFm HIFIdy6fLeWPVs8tuZsBucEF2uKVgnNDemNgq2f4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.34] ([217.91.35.233]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MryXH-1i7agS0mKT-00o1Dm; Wed, 06 Nov 2019 16:34:13 +0100 To: Paul Hoffman , "xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org" References: <4911a729-648a-a6c7-e673-4dd0fc0cadac@levkowetz.com> <908decb8-c24c-238d-2e27-982aa587d321@gmx.de> <0f5b5e73-bcca-0ff5-570d-c1622891dcf8@gmx.de> <703F1E91-C9E0-42BD-927C-D0D65D8CF7B0@rfc-editor.org> <6723154e-9bf1-d8ce-c8bd-a681fec1de5a@gmx.de> <6EAF86F8-C32F-434E-87ED-9E66043CC989@rfc-editor.org> <6c67abbc-542d-f734-d462-658ae8ad0820@levkowetz.com> <951cb208-e942-6b60-ce51-3629a4320e5b@gmx.de> <4B6CDE05-0712-4287-B9DB-953169D2C218@rfc-editor.org> <345F3DA7-A0A6-4C45-A30E-FF09CA6E76AE@rfc-editor.org> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <906d8a92-6325-31f5-9f83-64a462b25323@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2019 16:34:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:r3NiNmBAZy94xDvks/PGyN8JWcZkZYRw8eHX19WQ3pU9/F4spTe jhbSbnhL2SN448lqEcw2zY5DxlddlAyVLsMj5ePn/eHktqELKUYuLeaNHcD4PkXrfYEUigW YEnrcXP9UUguw15oyTnXk1tJn2ShdQKttKll9egWGewDL6yQvsi4ejoZ8WmYNwYRNPRqZxW T7AjFlpLoFscY6kIaOrIg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:5i0Pt2eZnI4=:JVYE0Bp96/7HpTtLyPJDBt tiqNFKQFFToejbsIPeeb72erbPWayS+6qjTYabyNqunXdD6I1Zo1hbkmFdN9KuSfknLP7fq7G 7HJYwaVEFC/iWuGOZwl/QurNY6OAYZP+qJJKZ07nlBNHCoz+jfmJYtHkegb9A8Zu2odmDJkwm Lc5tqwJ7Hf8httWMl9IzPsXH+gKIwwNp2bWPY6TTbt44+aN284AJ0ASjJhWGh/trOTJTyKBTl kmBl26NvGJ2oLGSsps5ZTCPyPZARpnDq6D+pSrWSJjtZWKHO10dL+DDn1Jf5Az7DvPZviHb+L f6RARTUaglRBsGR/rFA/PtM+gZNKqpTEJh2cHbytHtqHyv0d5Arzc5jX5+Uq6/zZwJrHHqvsP SEG20e7hYRQ9MaTHrL34QJMVqZ7vz8Zj0cjdjJezYLSI1q1156ZZfFVTtb7JIY689BmSAJold Nt1byMGvqLCEOUhs/8kMCCgCVlra7dZkn7qkGKvfuxzWmyFIw+qFbo0zRMH28KqR7+pF8U9Yi iMzoRk4RyCk8pV1Qmcy5lAYDRHGFG6vkFi2fwKKsdXsQLq7i4A/8Yj0STQ1hnNpBfCZ5JTXBK E3q9Q6e2U/cVsC8Aq9WL+bD/qJLa8K/gDmNEETMD8upsN5dILRI0y6OjktJyCo/TQ8QrHw/8Z Y9zLfmYipTHWdYjeJ5CggapV801A+omKPho2uz19yQTvid/GYkjj/i87UAYcBwQd3pWznQ/Yr k4OgQCd8eGDvbAmtDYmmeevnzAJvDNsQjyxojvwvEE5z1ScgxIzcnOQDEfD6ML9YzxH3tO4i+ Y03J3GMH2WPr+EJEwFjt8/CXRFA9m+hFobmk4jdH0CtOzJqK2lQwdgkg+f7mM1paCAi+cbwlW bSjwdM8ivkYr1CULBu1MElJplTp5MccG7QvNBaPhW5woaQlV5zuVjR7XuouxGOZ8HRNf6yKHw OkdW4GN997JiUG4J6IlVhJb50INQqwDQ/i6G5qRK6WAqQSYGq5Anax5/s3FF0K7lQG3MdgVBa zIRsIHw3j39p/inimZNOR36wEYZskBEsArfZd0ov6wMx6ERePJz5LTTFNEb7bEQOy5ENc4cxE 75Oh37EeeH+bYjepeRNl/6c+KpZuSig5yH+EUgVhdvzDJrKIEdEcqN5RU+6L/uYrDqzBdK+y6 2H78YJxEF9A2jycnhLvcq3x8X690K2ZhvuLDVl60597ztppKkp1GdhMsVatK+KUzsKjiGYtFt +gF2Lr/t3Vl3APdmFdVPKCk575OxGfs/Ut4SWNw/4FRSt73wBkD1Kdn2/qfo= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] Re: [Rfc-markdown] [xml2rfc]
is back, was: New xml2rfc release: v2.32.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 15:34:46 -0000 On 06.11.2019 00:10, Paul Hoffman wrote: > A side-effect of the use of
in titles, names, and so on means that= searching will likely always then be done on the HTML output, not on the = canonical XML. If folks are comfortable with that, great, but it does make= one of the output formats more important than the canonical format. > ... Not sure I get this. Why would be
in HTML work for searches, when it does not for XML? (And yes, the search would need to take the semantics of
into account in both cases). Best regards, Julian From nobody Mon Nov 11 00:48:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E186B120884 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:48:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Df5dTi67Fm3 for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:48:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 404AE12011F for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 00:48:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1573462093; bh=zp6S1FgSOSZqMskx3hmEl8NO/JE5mBYy51NQq7c9tzg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:To:From:Subject:Date; b=X7XAgPckyiY6VAMtuCZrGv429T6RFBI7nlLRuyVyPawJ/Xm9R2BD+CcRVlOu5x2xL HcUMf2hXWMzY8iA+if05VCSKD8lkuQPA9xoLIBCcuy2x5NbXx2aF9OY2IYxJETNWbK Nxjak9rI9q+ttArrfVsrrlT64tJTZqslkRuvAzJ8= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.153.135]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MMXQ5-1iDwC32pMt-00JYCf for ; Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:48:13 +0100 To: XML Developer List From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <9b6f7c8d-018a-eb4f-2193-d827204c5392@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 09:48:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:uF0eMprg55Wo/MNa+tklspqpvRv77YU/6M6HxtQu3RUmtwlBP7x BLpoavDTQv7sC+EOH8V6eJ6Tgy8yPVa8j4fKAZMLpsNYogi8ScWPo5WEe+YhiIp30rHpn/9 goHg2Du4Z8Ebmap2wt6ff9+DV8UBOS4VpqQPS9ktljPmntlVlRJr6McOia7aqzmsFq2wa0p e9SfhHkejaV4bD1rvvuxg== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ngVL6aH6L8Y=:v0/vmnVJ8MZ0ngWvYJY+K2 zEStCdkDhCoQtRFuRcDLDkzbA4BvqVeXyKRaKGXyo1isZBUKRFkBdZB4Irkn+iIGjvaVoCmDD PAHl2GzjvQ/IZg3sbJ6ryzmQcsNqMgsrHNKoCNvunUvJThGwpaHlYqwRtBk5bQltB1NQXrDfS 2+qYL+EgbWIrKJv2D0mbHjZ4DIQnKWE3AXFTpyJ1uz0DYFWuTBTZ953i1tkk8ogCPoMUyBm9F Ort6UJt/Z8KZIu8WLHcu+FdieeIlzB4cB1t9Hsra512C20Mrx/wzmZ5vf+QP1nSuSJOujAuv/ LVKUtg5B0bqIp5QFaz+Jq+QjcT1YaLBkhjaMu++yfZT5YrysCBUGKlBbqxpG9lP9q3b/zqQun 7jfh0/AMPp+ZQPRrVrx1JoXvH0f9qoNBTYkCotDrpemQFcUztNUvSB8sL86Jwm4HMILAK0dIE CPAgok7pG+yZmuySsfti9iCU9OH4hz3Y47NaXXLHTGWGsjSteZoraUH+dpU7AVidUB8YrLOdr JEU4Jv8pdK14mUNZ1TqFZ+Lj35GfoeZxZdkIZ5D6Z/sJeIwZ61jlpbhBoyPbRzMec7TY4fzpI Bz3tiX/k3KXbbBdQpyDdzhpKun4E815CW1n0nY+qC90rlbqrhbKcLZYaazoTrgV4dTKNiwVmU 0tgbxnJ+9In/ysngotjiAwyDw1mxMCBT+TSSn48DmqbMikgeySVfDa12Dign0sjCYqFImRArW 1w+bejwZn4XFvQMRybBcJXlPvTLX2b0Cjysjns16LAbKZkZCx+UqDb9SYTthkg0obSfrPGEQY ZwAKSuVZdk7UCHzOyqT3LFXMA7waO/XockhJu3SLwT8g3deDwpOJDfUajBt2K+8ueCdSkR/+U 8G6miNXQrI6k6eMBVPeVzco8TZwsSyXwhCipKZXu1fk3gYSAfFgGwEKsSgzAcXWfXCOw9E0WH wJFBQfnZ0lE5sKQyNrE9vRshld4pJlGV5DkaRIysFm8gjdr4PgA7sofHC9xFBSrCkjR8uPmPb QF44iyW8ss4hm0YK01ZD9db5xrqb9kY1BZjPRRTbQUK6PZxn8OD2LYp8zECSy6o0vviqrGsXU cNasevZTOGH4HIVJBV3fLzXHzhBEn9X+TWMkmNz2shwwdTzqC1i4xrupHTz79ljzJeMM8guAp akR3g57rSexEVfieoAXhhm7I0dpsc6Xkcras+zLGLSrZWvVtlLWIoKB60xOow062NVwUqofiV 9xGDZTvWSEWOEr2SKyn9q2D9Sp/AtBJGZsQYcsUGRuhMcPaQDqhdiBpX2Xo8= Archived-At: Subject: [xml2rfc-dev] missing anchor in HTML output for dt element X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:48:22 -0000 (see https://trac.tools.ietf.org/tools/xml2rfc/trac/ticket/453) Source:
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 Note that the anchor "tl-dl-dt" does not appear in the HTML output. Best regards, Julian From nobody Tue Nov 12 05:57:23 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DBF8120033; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 05:57:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PN-n8z9coJLk; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 05:57:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from durif.tools.ietf.org (durif.tools.ietf.org [IPv6:2001:1900:3001:11::3d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0C6B12002E; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 05:57:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from henrik by durif.tools.ietf.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iUWfV-0007Bb-MH; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 05:57:17 -0800 To: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, xml2rfc@ietf.org Cc: rfc-markdown@ietf.org Message-Id: From: Henrik Levkowetz Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 05:57:17 -0800 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rfc-markdown@ietf.org, xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, xml2rfc@ietf.org X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on durif.tools.ietf.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: [xml2rfc-dev] New xml2rfc release: v2.35.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 13:57:22 -0000 Hi, This is an automatic notification about a new xml2rfc release, v2.35.0, generated when running the mkrelease script. Release notes: xml2rfc (2.35.0) ietf; urgency=medium * Changed the pn numbers for ToC entries to use 'section-toc.1-...' instead of 'section-boilerplate.3-...'. * Fixed schema and code so as to correctly show entries with superscript (and more) in the ToC. * Added code to clean out instances of   and other special characters when rendering ToC, title, xref and reference. * Eliminated postal address lines with only template content, i.e., no content, from output renderings. * Fixed a typo in the v2v3 converter which caused conversion of the tocdepth PI to fail. * Added handling of name attributes which were too long to fit on the same line as the marker, and added a specific indentation setting for within
, to avoid extra indentation. * For source code with markers and file name, only emit file name if actually set. Fixes an issue with the HTML renderer. * Added the same in-figure indent for sourcecode as for artwork, to avoid extra indentation. * Removed an extraneous leading comma in reference rendering for references without author information. * Added CSS for bottom margin after rendering in print. * Added a missing conversion of attribute value 'no' to 'false' in the v2v3 converter. * Tweaked the text width when folding hang text. * Changed the location and method of checking and catching non-ascii characters in XML input declared with encoding='us-ascii'. * Added warnings for tabs in artwork and sourcecode. * Added a warning for long lines in v3 text ouput. * Added a new metadata.js file from the RPC, with copyright and license information and a code tweak. * Refactored extract_date() into one extraction function and one augmentation function, in order to render references with missing date info correctly. Also updated renderers to handle this case appropriately. * Fixed an inconsistency in requiring the ascii attribute for Latin script non-ascii names. * Corrected a buggy format string. Fixes issue #449. * Added an error if pn numbers are present in a file which is not marked with prepTime. * Corrected the indentation for in table cells. * Fixed an issue with duplicate pn numbers for in table cells. -- Henrik Levkowetz 12 Nov 2019 05:40:23 -0800 The preferred way to install xml2rfc is by doing 'pip install xml2rfc', and 'pip install --upgrade xml2rfc' to upgrade. If there are system- installed python modules which pip will not upgrade, you may have to use 'pip install --upgrade --no-deps xml2rfc' and install dependencies manually. The new version is also available through SVN checkout, with 'svn checkout http://svn.tools.ietf.org/svn/tools/xml2rfc/tags/cli/2.35.0' Regards, Henrik (via the mkrelease script) From nobody Sat Nov 16 02:30:31 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35238120024; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 02:30:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o1hZd6sJPqHE; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 02:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.15.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 43509120019; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 02:30:20 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1573900205; bh=H0PdofHefs7qsKQh587iYHQlZ6vjrdGpctqzRKJKIsc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=fqFevNjB2kXj3VXjaHHLFCY6JRjyuIDIaPAVHLDWhtfHdl0Xk6+AMcvYePZ6t80fO PN8uPOIeSj1wKg6/H2JlGJa4DF97K+AtLsehe0c3JoowsHtBsDmfgXCYeOR+PoE6lT /MgshSK1QAg8QZRBE2OeDnA9k89Wqi8NZSGiSVBU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([217.251.143.157]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MhU5R-1i0B1q3UTj-00edoa; Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:30:05 +0100 To: Henrik Levkowetz , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, xml2rfc@ietf.org Cc: rfc-markdown@ietf.org References: From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <18e4d16f-7cae-31c4-379c-c9b6b9bbdb9f@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:30:04 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:fAWsw+zUZiTECe2K/zp8VsqUv/sf1wzN2J1nEZJhp7PDH5N5NHm +sbND31H+taXM1zVxvW9LzEwh+OsAyzJovy4kE69d1XkmxIxQmVa6yzqzZnGnzoiAPYCiS6 AXXzXWQodEU0qjV9PqBEzui+3c8e7Mhr3gAEh9/f81KlpRJWBVxE7/bMcXj0IG7r2Qq9B40 wKguGTBgztRZgY5kNdIHA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:2BbMs7uZyiM=:2fWJ6EkY6XShUd8VHSSXzZ 8nFfcGK/pRac/iVLE/VgzU0Jod9hfNjGxNForlfVxMWSf/kIGWpM8pO6Ht9RvV9/J4yh+X9iI +rXys5zwa3A4cPY6zaEXmwASwMfJmk5gMuqj4Rsb34K+gx2eq19EwWzAZ+jCAPCwQeAOd/PkC XsdSqS9HNWb0CjxnlgJfnHGr2MdZloJL3V0+kUj6X8reR/MiVg14cVoYWBX4KkP2NQkqO4cGn MiiWL6r4tkq3I4bAixmI1+2KqCEcQV8X/T5RVbnCOPeF3yHZxtNPCs/vNGIlC4Q9i04CpUjUp OXQ8SG1BaYGvhEfajpr0YItTxq5j83YOIYzD36SGnTkhcGwD2ctsGz0etynynEdQKYIUiZ1uj D2hrZ4lNEx6HynLIe+TZrKQtFvvwJnlYuC7BeQAHLlal+AtF9ScLXY4kAMGTwix46QkGl6XDE +STOha8vidk4sktt3Jr2ZaI1UMQ48ukcMxFjMR6RUsf9JRk0fejHmMr37z9N5dQPwA74fE/la 5Y/p0K+S6Qcwb/hYcRquf9PEFvslAfYeeOyGH31f46mIxPpuXtqwsjNP/rKduoogdrXfGwZsX rZoBlluJi2YDsLWUj7j0ZBLK/KeIqpPjhz5Jcr0lqq8MZJU0HB0sGbeUDP8iQQkHiUQXeQz4g pU9T7Jr1XbS7M9X3ejPKnn0Hm09cNG7p1ZrESNXna3/zhIkzMtB4rxkANz0ESd7YI1Ge04yqU TxJd6naydJlwxIlXjHKC2UoYCyiRaZybdFiZ2NvfZqydoqcItOHhpep23WwVmAF3tZT94SxEJ YBLD5B5tefGD34aXqBWxclAkKAdKljnjTbYJRozt0TZULkrPOwAwDCou7q22RpSaFqsrR53AP XROTT/+YZ2Ly5CInVoD7QchC6cTKeKodrzWy0qnTWo5+hRMoFOngrs9zej+SS4yT7ZMv1W3sr /kyJu0MtF37atDAzkEi6vt7HZd+/hrTvD8xUwigGEQxJ5S7ofMQtNC8wDP1VXuvDrakqbl+xw shAjHTtLKCpLj4oJJdGtXCX2Ptn7NnL4HfDQP7wC8u9rBFGkwaGhCcZXfnvgZMSPxxtsg/mxY v8y+G52eX0fkKq89PoK/X00mmn6d/cD/E1Ulnh6QgN/OqFgO1mRmzAvGB6jVPejA4c00XF1el 6vB56y6dKAo6e3MlzOMwJpt55SvG+GlLxK6++F+o+HW+PX2vjgn++VG76mePHZYRk/AP8Zv94 +D44EH/klWuKIYVe6snS2zNk8wxeqGrwOHv4qYrKWCBivxz/cjGYax9FvcZI= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] New xml2rfc release: v2.35.0 X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:30:24 -0000 On 12.11.2019 14:57, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > ... > * Added warnings for tabs in artwork and sourcecode. > ... I don't see a warning when running this version on . Am I missing something? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:02:52 -0000 draft-ietf-quic-transport.xml(9): Warning: Setting consensus="true" for IETF STD document (this is not the schema default, but is the only value permitted for this type of document) I don't think that this warning is useful, but I think that it could be indicative of a problem. If this is NOT a problem, I don't want to see the warning. From nobody Sun Nov 17 17:38:40 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5217120288 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:38:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YH7mGo9wgx0U for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D14381200FB for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:38:36 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-80bf.meeting.ietf.org ([31.133.128.191]:59349) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iWVzw-0001SE-1o; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 17:38:36 -0800 To: Martin Thomson , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:38:33 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ojgd4ibxMxFX8WxNWfUdcJfJbx53KSk4n" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 31.133.128.191 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, mt@lowentropy.net X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:38:38 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ojgd4ibxMxFX8WxNWfUdcJfJbx53KSk4n Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="ucgjBU47R8V2E3OiqGv5PqDgEEjSwf3Qc"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Martin Thomson , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org Message-ID: <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> --ucgjBU47R8V2E3OiqGv5PqDgEEjSwf3Qc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Martin, On 2019-11-18 02:02, Martin Thomson wrote: > draft-ietf-quic-transport.xml(9): Warning: Setting consensus=3D"true" > for IETF STD document (this is not the schema default, but is the > only value permitted for this type of document) >=20 > I don't think that this warning is useful, but I think that it could > be indicative of a problem. If this is NOT a problem, I don't want to > see the warning. Provide a consensus setting in the file, and you won't see it. This is the result of RFC 7998 requiring the preptool to set all attribut= es that aren't set, but have a default value, to the default value. Since t= he tool should really not assert something that only the author is able to properly say (does this document have consensus or not) there is a warning. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:59:43 -0000 On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, at 09:38, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Provide a consensus setting in the file, and you won't see it. > > This is the result of RFC 7998 requiring the preptool to set all attributes > that aren't set, but have a default value, to the default value. Since the > tool should really not assert something that only the author is able > to properly say (does this document have consensus or not) there is a > warning. As the warning says, the only valid value is "true". So why do I get a warning when I choose to rely on the default? Note that I also get this warning if I set the value to "false", but as I am generating Internet-Drafts, I don't believe that to be appropriate. From nobody Sun Nov 17 18:04:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0207B12084E for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:04:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m51goJoWS4wd for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:04:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 601881208FB for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:04:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-80bf.meeting.ietf.org ([31.133.128.191]:59382) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iWWPG-0000gx-D1; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:04:46 -0800 To: Martin Thomson , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 03:04:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="USwpjVMGneGACoVE488qd2JXqQi4vBlvw" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 31.133.128.191 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, mt@lowentropy.net X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:04:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --USwpjVMGneGACoVE488qd2JXqQi4vBlvw Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Mra0bl3x37Was37GFk9IaBq9rUQUtikc1"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Martin Thomson , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> --Mra0bl3x37Was37GFk9IaBq9rUQUtikc1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-11-18 02:59, Martin Thomson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, at 09:38, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Provide a consensus setting in the file, and you won't see it. >> >> This is the result of RFC 7998 requiring the preptool to set all attri= butes >> that aren't set, but have a default value, to the default value. Sinc= e the >> tool should really not assert something that only the author is able >> to properly say (does this document have consensus or not) there is a >> warning. >=20 > As the warning says, the only valid value is "true". So why do I get > a warning when I choose to rely on the default? Because the default is "false". > Note that I also get this warning if I set the value to "false", but > as I am generating Internet-Drafts, I don't believe that to be > appropriate. Right. I think the schema authors made a mistake in giving this field a default value. 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Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:09:37 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: MessagingEngine.com Webmail Interface User-Agent: Cyrus-JMAP/3.1.7-562-gfd0633a-fmstable-20191114v1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:09:17 +0800 From: "Martin Thomson" To: "Henrik Levkowetz" , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:09:40 -0000 On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, at 10:04, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: > Right. I think the schema authors made a mistake in giving this field a > default value. So you are saying that if I set a value of false explicitly, then you are unable to distinguish this from the default AND that this is my fault? Or am I confused. Also, where do you get the idea that status="standard" + consensus="false" is invalid? That is always true for a draft. From nobody Sun Nov 17 18:19:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4FB12089D for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:19:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j2LY4Nevyxzs for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B12BD12088A for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:19:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-80bf.meeting.ietf.org ([31.133.128.191]:59405) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iWWdI-0003Pu-Vn; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:19:17 -0800 To: Martin Thomson , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: <7ae488dc-2e5a-9b7f-c228-43d5e21c2625@levkowetz.com> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 03:19:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="3kuSKjGNPPJjvOkrwPSqDpwL93PC0adtt" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 31.133.128.191 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, mt@lowentropy.net X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:19:19 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --3kuSKjGNPPJjvOkrwPSqDpwL93PC0adtt Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="REPCnAxMMk7coDKpSvoxpHlhxgajFtR5p"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Martin Thomson , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org Message-ID: <7ae488dc-2e5a-9b7f-c228-43d5e21c2625@levkowetz.com> Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> In-Reply-To: --REPCnAxMMk7coDKpSvoxpHlhxgajFtR5p Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2019-11-18 03:09, Martin Thomson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, at 10:04, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Right. I think the schema authors made a mistake in giving this field= a >> default value. >=20 > So you are saying that if I set a value of false explicitly, then you > are unable to distinguish this from the default AND that this is my > fault? ?? No, that's not at all what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to blame= you at all, in any way. I'm trying to explain that the warning is there as a result of having a default value for a field which probably should not have one, and the preptool phase being required to set that value if no value has been set. > Or am I confused. >=20 > Also, where do you get the idea that status=3D"standard" + > consensus=3D"false" is invalid? That is always true for a draft. The schema default values make no distinction between drafts and RFCs. My preference would be to have a default value for this attribute, as it causes multiple issues. Since pretty much every issue I tried to bring to this list because I saw that it needed change resulted in hours and hours of interminable discussions, I had to choose between getting the v3= tools out, or sit and discuss forever. The warning is my way of not sweeping this issue under the mat. Henrik --REPCnAxMMk7coDKpSvoxpHlhxgajFtR5p-- --3kuSKjGNPPJjvOkrwPSqDpwL93PC0adtt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3R/6IACgkQTptXS4+7 FxoiuA/5AZ+ThixhDCo5SiOEHalwyCJJHu4svUgfCUrsasrfrrQgeolTvVqaAgBD mhw2l7Rfi/4ln14VbvTET8b6s7kbL9GvM0yLeON588lXp8srYaWFfoYiM8iodOG9 trKPgErv4f9C4nBjrqdZXDNpewR3PIuvPBiXxejB/q+nHS2SYBbJiR7KqdBXdHJ3 Sprne4bJtHYchUtUPYDWktt/KqnsJrg9Fv1qA3bAqN8AGPumRT0GHzpci3haSpuH 75fld/GYtPfLNkTNFWipuOVTc6UnOiuYrnSDcrFZhJkhsVWAiVbE4bzTWA12l4XA 4MGGBoFDGmy4mmJ4ugY7tTcUrMeFHOtmf0NF3DteG0jpNcwVTbC/AXNnjW+7Nlzx bWas0B4v5Y2JzwyHM+oxEJQUDFzdOrgqP0F6e+FUWPl9gmGAERcu6gn6+6g1Qt21 g+Oa8gqKovVVR6iDnj6WkA1uTL0cotqGek4d7uBHONehn/1Ai/sWaNNcnO6vpSfK hTUD9taxwuxn5tcY/EEGUXauImgvQv7BASuAkeczu0ozH9EmfEYVXkffQPtAJ7Ku w3v3UODt/yLX4GMM+/yuN/aymxqS/l5DaIG557fLgnOlolEAptW8w8jsnf2ueGv3 IJ0IN3yXzWn6kGOPwTNhbQfm7jnSFePp698+Tv3mNUAQRRQmKQA= =SzT4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --3kuSKjGNPPJjvOkrwPSqDpwL93PC0adtt-- From nobody Sun Nov 17 18:24:54 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58B871207FD for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:24:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mUKzeH0mlqSi for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from zinfandel.tools.ietf.org (zinfandel.tools.ietf.org [64.170.98.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04696120048 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:24:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-80bf.meeting.ietf.org ([31.133.128.191]:59411) by zinfandel.tools.ietf.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1iWWih-0005Vy-5b; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:24:51 -0800 To: Martin Thomson , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> <7ae488dc-2e5a-9b7f-c228-43d5e21c2625@levkowetz.com> From: Henrik Levkowetz Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 03:24:48 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.11; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <7ae488dc-2e5a-9b7f-c228-43d5e21c2625@levkowetz.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Do7NGrwgT4hSu8D59HihJ6RI2Cmo93etH" X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 31.133.128.191 X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org, mt@lowentropy.net X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: henrik@levkowetz.com X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2.1 (built Mon, 26 Dec 2011 16:24:06 +0000) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on zinfandel.tools.ietf.org) X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:24:53 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Do7NGrwgT4hSu8D59HihJ6RI2Cmo93etH Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IET5uMnFhLn0ulabJORFK9Ai2xRFQS3IF"; protected-headers="v1" From: Henrik Levkowetz To: Martin Thomson , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> <7ae488dc-2e5a-9b7f-c228-43d5e21c2625@levkowetz.com> In-Reply-To: <7ae488dc-2e5a-9b7f-c228-43d5e21c2625@levkowetz.com> --IET5uMnFhLn0ulabJORFK9Ai2xRFQS3IF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Correction: On 2019-11-18 03:19, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >=20 > On 2019-11-18 03:09, Martin Thomson wrote: >> On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, at 10:04, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >>> Right. I think the schema authors made a mistake in giving this fiel= d a >>> default value. >>=20 >> So you are saying that if I set a value of false explicitly, then you >> are unable to distinguish this from the default AND that this is my >> fault? >=20 > ?? No, that's not at all what I'm trying to say. I'm not trying to bla= me > you at all, in any way. I'm trying to explain that the warning is ther= e > as a result of having a default value for a field which probably should= > not have one, and the preptool phase being required to set that value i= f > no value has been set. >=20 >> Or am I confused. >>=20 >> Also, where do you get the idea that status=3D"standard" + >> consensus=3D"false" is invalid? That is always true for a draft. >=20 > The schema default values make no distinction between drafts and RFCs. >=20 > My preference would be to have a default value for this attribute, as i= t My preference would be to NOT have a default value for this attribute ...= > causes multiple issues. Since pretty much every issue I tried to bring= > to this list because I saw that it needed change resulted in hours and > hours of interminable discussions, I had to choose between getting the = v3 > tools out, or sit and discuss forever. The warning is my way of not > sweeping this issue under the mat. >=20 >=20 > Henrik >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > xml2rfc-dev mailing list > xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/xml2rfc-dev >=20 --IET5uMnFhLn0ulabJORFK9Ai2xRFQS3IF-- --Do7NGrwgT4hSu8D59HihJ6RI2Cmo93etH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEifjc5+rnL1MJBcZSTptXS4+7FxoFAl3SAPAACgkQTptXS4+7 FxrV0BAAjUSHXSIin4pCBBwn268P8PlLQUkTKiB2HpZMicC7nPKJ05yVxFh0XK5I icUaqY5Y3REUwEE3RGCidF6fIFO09GSZ9lIZTgTNn3aYvdOUhmQ1k3NddYFhFmg7 u3EfFwXKiQ9bKd8+ib4ve52nMMdBockoKmzFu/aAUKiWXcQPqULKST7l9JBI2STh D3nc6sqewFl72X7HK+Ubnke4MQ9Odf+51F3hVszxlDB49t0rYYHid4Lx38hlQYFP m4IK96wHwAbLsFXYCO0ccHv8K9mc3SZKtWZu+pSaUSP8yiSzBxqFH8Y7gA9dGcXn yr2snTOOrcUu1+tyL9W21iOT+SFduQnWyvoq5i6+t6bsQNYovDvmuYr12G0/G4Og sHW+TGjdqFGDH5ZdXCgUO7L/BKfQVL1NnK9OKx970UFUn9kYMOf/jaBNbzb23HWQ ZyxHcG5G4YYxEEX3o4t+CSEZZfFxLwYNy+B7J6BLvDGWbh5ReynqTglF7iuMel6D pN328Lp5Ko+KQyeQ8/2LMFoE+WSNgsWVEwmx4tJaT0ILEEjZy1NVLKmdg6Nxlz+4 CyUmavIysgpxCI1/EeBDaLd+yKXp4Ab0rxVctJExmR7+wVZfvqvPw9G5QGaGpRiR qY7IOfZUF3ruY8mtnx8gnkYQf0nyPxFev+/fTd2fUTeaCyBshDk= =BVD9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Do7NGrwgT4hSu8D59HihJ6RI2Cmo93etH-- From nobody Sun Nov 17 18:52:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8010812081A for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:52:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y1CJNdBczKbV for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C17812081B for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 18:52:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from dhcp-95d6.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-95d6.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.149.214]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-vm-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47GYQc2JJ8zyT0; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 03:52:24 +0100 (CET) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Carsten Bormann In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 10:52:20 +0800 Cc: Henrik Levkowetz , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 595738338.482986-cc631e12c9f3b27a73598643b513668e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> To: Martin Thomson X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 02:52:29 -0000 On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:09, Martin Thomson wrote: >=20 > Also, where do you get the idea that status=3D"standard" + = consensus=3D"false" is invalid? That is always true for a draft. That is part of the schizophrenia we are suffering from: RFCXMLv3 is designed for the publishing version of RFCs, but by far its = largest use is for the authoring version of Internet-Drafts. Until we = get more explicit about these distinctions, we will run into many more = of this kind of problems. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten From nobody Sun Nov 17 21:24:34 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00C48120152 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:24:33 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tquZcjB3t2q9 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:24:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 166271200A4 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:24:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1574054647; bh=FjkzDefwHjDtXgwf0VPjejWdxjDMgFm+SF35g+YH48o=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=EbOhckYa9dBXtMfDIFSSHwiKGXzSim272sUtnkiraYEoNIL25DM+XVQw8go3jmnPJ AGni2GMm0JV1rrC4VqDelJpMTD5VuZT/lVfHgHOi+vt83+IU5Foxoi3jYiiN5ne4qp EA6qxCOnhOAWYzlTWrDR7Ifv4i2w5vZ8oSXl2qGA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.159.254]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MUGiJ-1iNWwW2wdP-00RFUV; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 06:24:07 +0100 To: Martin Thomson , Henrik Levkowetz , xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: <12ad069e-34ae-eaa5-d8bd-ffbf6afb2310@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 06:24:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:zjC0GQKAqP3sDVDhWOJ+HCN+RZUNK4MSuN3mVkrZTf+ZrzXLVU+ 9C2r2Au3J6hk2GCYFwjjcx1YhRvN/CXM8oT07gk2bByVTWduyrAM93pnmkMUFzC03UxOSrj XQrQNE2VVtr1OjyBbQk4yMFpG5Vnvi78EPCSFWUiGNyCN7y7DdVZ4/jRst5SnnmNFVcEoVt OywpFzF3RYDPSjgxU130Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:MSt69vMs7OE=:CZputT9YSdMdSgNBmWuLMA +2Oi1sFjR9JfQCaw2Lj1zJGvspi3dQj2ghO5Tpj9O/k8GNxXumbf/nQ4ZkaPjt7GXPS1H+68e RmpQ+sss6d3m/hM8fm+MQ5MPCCLP4tH8pxqMytAozyqHx0tdXL8qpm/AA1LsOoiF9f6FWAE0h zoZ7t5LTsBCFlf/9dCVNJVsqORd7pHTeqFnivyHoCCJeKSAtZqfNN8PVw7dQCpwiiHs0jKzRH bw3WSONlgagGNAD2KfxzYMxxlxIbJlii7Uq5e54Lypz4VZdCSvKx8x2k/jZu045DGTj0n0I0q Wlbvr1oS0vo5+HMNYf8I5FblSuSq6jdPW+mqXEUc6Wm0aeM2ZEBlO3BOoofFzA1CnLqUzDQTK CDB7Nuf2oDpJNWPV0LY2+i3tXl8mrE8IxQObJ0UUWL4dqRGoCtYzSixFLdNRwa3wErtHoOW12 0ebih+j5I+9pHlGvfnVDT9mHfuSWYcUXXlNyIXr/N63HQLbcAJEVmLrt6tOI9P+CHdlK3KDWg 234OSkRVYuAtCpRGsITc999A+5AJ5dGFypsxqdHynLlH1b1J8DHQwWi4VYjcp5QwX8hUxPgF+ ontpw2JMVZoMnCkEzmGPG+c52ahDWM6EQ610mm5cRGsDWSQrLpM5ifKdipz6G0b7EoaR4iela TqZ51yO8AMk+2nHlvkxtgF77ymiwd+ulhMOKHIQnv/PuAJogJUUmYOij2k1AZx2RpmpaeE4lB Ch0dMEkyeiTdTYengVGFebTl4ps6ijO1p7N6MImiAp2jHxP5Z8mxJywlH/RlTtv3LLJ4fBRJb wfiDVk8Zo7Xg0DiXLQsYyjfA1cYzAKlOHjW4ApKoPZ+xhGueyE/j/xcpGmC0zTCQK9J8npB+2 LHsYx+4l7qtGycrrwTDp0sVFoZR873rl01hC8+SqO4T3QVvz+jCD5RAkqIQ5ZR44a+Cwh+NhG RkNuZON6bma+l/HyqHw6NwET6rAJVJ6hAShm1oXi9CB2Jg+jKFRIrpTxZRJC1Z7TO1J1d6IsO R/kcoSDisFYgr1+CkD4/WQSNDKlw3EF8yUUy+1uRbly4gv4+4NxVbPD8GOnGX/l+TB4ZeCWYV fNy9d1Z6tmeGzXqf0hfs9sv4b3v/eA7df9b8Nrn1GCv4TqFJMjl9ZCoD8coKBFsBSHTK8Mmiw s9LAdDqU1ih/Od4z7nc2yMr13fLJaHys5Gr/tRruZneN9FZBgrqMez/meU735+oCPXoZ6QWCn yhdnJpykjI+bNgslJuiSUjqHu256hirW1dQVMYJKklA0bxKCf5TXGuzf05WM= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 05:24:33 -0000 On 18.11.2019 03:09, Martin Thomson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019, at 10:04, Henrik Levkowetz wrote: >> Right. I think the schema authors made a mistake in giving this field = a >> default value. > > So you are saying that if I set a value of false explicitly, then you ar= e unable to distinguish this from the default AND that this is my fault? > > Or am I confused. > > Also, where do you get the idea that status=3D"standard" + consensus=3D"= false" is invalid? That is always true for a draft. FWIW: I agree with Martin that the warning is not helpful, and in the case of Internet Drafts, actually misleading. Best regards, Julian From nobody Sun Nov 17 21:26:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB8731200A4 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:26:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=gmx.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CwkqYjb1bivT for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:26:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.gmx.net (mout.gmx.net [212.227.17.20]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 310E3120077 for ; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:26:33 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1574054778; bh=w9llEx2X699HTCiC1QdF0MyLQYY/CmT4HIi2Z72DfLQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Pqj4BWTBSSqCg7qRSbm+jUrNQm5TMBQpS/Rb99ePYEs6ANyjNPVfzAvJvnc6haiFm vhj9EgVxtM6TNVGIRKyDe/SQ/hMqLrIoMzvVKy546NXUYMWjigLaDc3kMW+QLf+Wv6 S21+QsDV0ONWB/P0VyLPgNsWKei+42Ry615/8Uxg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.178.124] ([84.171.159.254]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mr9Bu-1i2Rmm0Mkw-00oGfU; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 06:26:18 +0100 To: Carsten Bormann , Martin Thomson Cc: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org References: <174aa1cb-2be4-471d-8c90-a79a6bd647e6@www.fastmail.com> <06e72a3e-780e-510c-d88b-890f092027b0@levkowetz.com> <2f068031-91db-4019-a1c6-2930896e5770@www.fastmail.com> From: Julian Reschke Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 06:26:17 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:SgZ0s6A1nH+2yfknpTrMNDPlExowaIvtM3HC6Lpk1rpP3nl5tiq h9akvmS/WFS5ErErkcz7EJpM4ha6AGAxJDNVNu71TsI4TPwlxCM/xC3KDNdnb6jn4Dfj4/Q hBnBIpavH2D7vinmo58e/ZS5QWtR+3ZE6oP5dn3QMNvHYm6NWP8blvTcfQ33ch2Sv1Cw4l6 bPZevZpP9c62YDbkZM2IQ== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ZImaMgcnUNQ=:W/7SCKRpVRiPjLnpQ1mK5Z vkTjP47n4MMsttSEPkF4CFE1iFPxRMvvaVVM3VDQyR1Y8MAvXX2XDQD6oA9I2Yc3NNNOSrUO3 xJBDJQ0asztzcTkX4YFPlSnxf/MoWN0o+bJyVD5hxq/UbIOchmlqT0mM2SkJHrPmQhRUwK38k ZAG3ddjOJXRwNC6PMw+Y8YQjTnD+CpTieCfX5KHFjZrxUVH9v54a/kqjKGbtmUCILWrkk7vLj s7NLYE7mOPt/lUQu74wd8ZYxXU+Yw6dx72ee/un9J7NZT2L955hMOo9z4JTU6ct/lZZXIsGEn LT3JQm+lATTcpmitu3UuZS4WTb6F/beXLagDi0S/yHxI0kX0ASlUN2AlkaBkpMcua6crVIf9a HAkWjtRojxLGZRhPkxaQIi7J/csNGvnzPorJT+eEruFsQXoxhM9V3ortum5bEt9RBL2ZmjJ/A vPRfxf1wpIxE0CqMT5Y9mSYsU7D8hs7amNsG1prribwwccfsX21Q7QJMXq7IrXXy6dYSgqvA/ 41hFDo8JciTZ90klHWaz1eiO6UvJsrihCIGjMvj/EfYh0/iUdIzIk4/wmBAdZHBaTerqShbe/ Vkf6w84M+G25wqTQfil6cuFMVuizqgb+5Ihnb+bdsnPrR6GIMtAYqQwbqEVY1x/WEvSUYu8SF Sh0Tk42vBV0bn1s2D34tPdQ8qaMdUfoLP11npi16w1MuC58mkoXqvaa++cR86VCfSSzWwQCUP ZaIKBOwJ1kpAfhw4+3n4i/Gx7rb/A/j2UQg9xxfolF/20XASi7qNO5p6MgDOvUTUmq8oWZloK WkLlNhtcyzIcnFXXkHHpM1QHOKcqt4c8fzsbpAIvYVGPfSLt0T5fSuDGQsT3serSlxY8CkLyB OMjqb9m+oZ/lo+c4zE+v42ZWhumSu6BzJAdx2BqaAzUSK7F5ObdSsB0AzDgWEzEetE0P6U/bq eWW1xqrSwKwjaPl2rwAsaXyg/i/2qJt4TsBWEFBGc+2vCLqzFp4sw4mxgL7WFy0qRqKZUdyLf XeZf4AwJKyrlwTleLjxbVDHyLX5yuhPKyaaFGLL/EzxjXEIp6G2fbuWR8dDHR8jbjyubrO69q po1NJdcRKgTlZYAyIh/emCwYqXczNYTZxI6CjN4I4ewE2nNIIPSQj+FXJ6wSB/Foxdsj3+dzZ HTCSOEoh5Pi9ICpgTvvdCtqvRNLPa/N75Ek0r76I9YA4jC/vWYrTjGxg39G/PgQL8jTNu/iDZ rvxgWv0+aHlQw3kMPoc5MB2qN4Zvi79WS/20ILQlTEs4N02LrdpVPCpyshW8= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] consensus=true warning X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 05:26:35 -0000 On 18.11.2019 03:52, Carsten Bormann wrote: > On Nov 18, 2019, at 10:09, Martin Thomson wrote: >> >> Also, where do you get the idea that status=3D"standard" + consensus=3D= "false" is invalid? That is always true for a draft. > > That is part of the schizophrenia we are suffering from: > RFCXMLv3 is designed for the publishing version of RFCs, but by far its = largest use is for the authoring version of Internet-Drafts. Until we get= more explicit about these distinctions, we will run into many more of thi= s kind of problems. > ... FWIW, if the v3 design causes new issues for Internet Drafts, that's not intentionally but an oversight. 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X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 19:58:21 -0000 Hi there, So I was looking at , and, to my huge surprise, found elements below
, apparently generated by the preptool step. I checked, and this doesn't seem to be documented anywhere (not even Henrik's implementation notes), but yet it turns up in "canonical XML". Just to clarify - there are two issues here: 1) The technical issue: adding author information a second time in the canonical XML does not make any sense to me. 2) The process issue: this isn't documented anywhere, but yet appears in the so-called "canonical XML". What is going on here? Best regards, Julian From nobody Wed Nov 27 13:18:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: xml2rfc-dev@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15ED5120AAD for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:18:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4MUPzwocoZuK for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from ppa3.lax.icann.org (ppa3.lax.icann.org [192.0.33.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0DAF120088 for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:18:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from PFE112-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (out.west.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.10]) by ppa3.lax.icann.org (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with ESMTPS id xARLI23J008627 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:18:02 GMT Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1497.2; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:18:00 -0800 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1497.000; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:18:00 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman To: XML Developer List Thread-Topic: [Ext] [xml2rfc-dev] below
Thread-Index: AQHVpV0N0HhhpanfZUSN7vS5Awe7GaegC6uA Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:17:59 +0000 Message-ID: <8D4AAAB9-DEE3-41CB-9629-8B88F868F42C@icann.org> References: <42165850-8c17-49c0-c98a-7829936c848f@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <42165850-8c17-49c0-c98a-7829936c848f@gmx.de> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] x-source-routing-agent: Processed Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_28AC6407-2DC3-4C75-9934-BE81C0556FCA"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-11-27_04:, , signatures=0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [xml2rfc-dev] [Ext] below
X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:18:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_28AC6407-2DC3-4C75-9934-BE81C0556FCA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Nov 27, 2019, at 11:52 AM, Julian Reschke = wrote: >=20 > Hi there, >=20 > So I was looking at , and, > to my huge surprise, found elements below
, = apparently > generated by the preptool step. >=20 > I checked, and this doesn't seem to be documented anywhere (not even > Henrik's implementation notes), but yet it turns up in "canonical = XML". >=20 > Just to clarify - there are two issues here: >=20 > 1) The technical issue: adding author information a second time in the > canonical XML does not make any sense to me. Nor to me.=20 > 2) The process issue: this isn't documented anywhere, but yet appears = in > the so-called "canonical XML". In fact, this usage is fully prohibited in draft-iab-rfc7991bis. = is only allowed as part of . 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X-BeenThere: xml2rfc-dev@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion about particulars of xml2rfc V3 design, development and code." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2019 09:22:22 -0000 On 27.11.2019 20:52, Julian Reschke wrote: > ... Reported as : > The preptool mode inserts a back section containing author elements, app= arently to give 's in the generated boilerplate/toc something to lin= k to. > > There are multiple issues with that: > > it violates the DRY principle > it is not documented anywhere > the inserted section is indistinguishable from a regular section - h= ow is a formatter supposed to know when to process it? > it adds to the content model of
> > (tested with 2.35, but there's no "Version" configured here for that) > > (see also <=E2=80=8Bhttps://github.com/rfc-format/draft-iab-xml2rfc-v3-b= is/issues/81> which discusses hiw to style *contributors* sections) Best regards, Julian